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asciilifeform: !up mp_colonist
mats_cd03: what am i looking at
BingoBoingo: Fuck it, might as well get a boat
mp_colonist: mats_cd03, recall supposed 3 boobs chick ?
mats_cd03: oh... chick is in fact man?
BingoBoingo: mats_cd03: No, chick just wants mtv show
mats_cd03: otherwise it would be one prosthesis instead of three?
decimation: I like kings wallowing in the beast's mouth
mats_cd03: hrm.
mp_colonist: chick complained someone stole her 3 boob prosthetic last year
mp_colonist: BingoBoingo: bounce: There's too many razors to keep them all straight << hidden straight razor joke ?
assbot: Three-breasted Florida woman Jasmine Tridevil insists third boob is real, but police report shows she once lost 'prosthesis' - NY Daily News
BingoBoingo: mp_colonist: Nah, they make more interesting cuts when unfurled from bent
mp_colonist: mats_cd03, and of course they cite no source rite ?
BingoBoingo: mats_cd03: She also accused a stranger of assaulting her in a bar without evidence and was forced to drop it. To terrafoam and Vitamin H with her.
mats_cd03: god shes ugly
mp_colonist: mats_cd03, she's not ugly, she's a masseuse.
mats_cd03: should've had work done on her face if she wanted to be on mtv
mats_cd03: " Well, I am crazy," she told the "The News Junkie" show. "Crazy people don't know they are crazy, so technically since I know I'm crazy I'm not crazy." saved
mp_colonist: i am not crazy because of my deep seated belief that what i say alters what is and therefore i can't be crazy rite guise ?
assbot: 21st Century Magic
BingoBoingo: mp_colonist: I do much of the same, but parts of what I do don't influence reality.
asciilifeform not enamoured with dutch's examples specifically - but his formula is sound.
mp_colonist: asciilifeform: 'new gurlz in [electron beam] lithography'
mp_colonist: i swear i'm reading for hte pictures.
mats_cd03: asciilifeform: you have a bookmarks file with 5000 entries, or you just consult the google?
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: usually, brain and a little google.
mats_cd03: me - I'm working on the bookmarks.
asciilifeform used to have bookmarks, then the world froze and they burned in.
mp_colonist: asciilifeform, i dont get it, why wouldnt wa fix bug ?
asciilifeform: wait which ?
asciilifeform: aha that one
BingoBoingo: So, *crazy idea* thinking about taking volunteer or part time work with the local ,public, library.
asciilifeform: mp_colonist: perhaps out of spite. they flew sales-muppets to my lab hoping i'd buy a mega-cluster's worth of licenses. i didn;t.
asciilifeform: so from their point of view i was probably the same kind of ruffian as the mac demo audiences from that other link.
mp_colonist: what sort of spite is this, "i won't clean the spinach between my teeth out of spite because you didn't buy me a ring" ?
asciilifeform: that very same.
mats_cd03: BingoBoingo: what sort of work would you be doing?
mp_colonist: BingoBoingo, what is supposed to be crazy about being at a desk ?
BingoBoingo: <mp_colonist> what sort of spite is this, "i won't clean the spinach between my teeth out of spite because you didn't buy me a ring" ? << Dangerous game, folates encourage bacteria and mycellium
BingoBoingo: mp_colonist: just the part where I resign myself to positions the high school students hold, and the part where they still might favor the HS students for it.
mp_colonist: so crazy = lazy ?
decimation: BingoBoingo: why not work for the library in exchange for money?
asciilifeform: mp_colonist: i did sign off on ~7kBez worth of wolframiana. but did not expect the same level of fellatio as the folks who we paid 40k/seat. and got what expected.
mp_colonist: JuliaTourianski: +BingoBoingo hhaha just someone said to me she's "penetrating the btc scene" so I figured I should probably know of her if that's the case << so much derpage srsly. you need better friends.
asciilifeform: *from the folks who we padi
BingoBoingo: mp_colonist: It could, last year. This year though... less notable retards to need to build dossiers on so practical.
mp_colonist: penetrating the scene what is this, mtv
mp_colonist: decimation, try and guess.
BingoBoingo: <decimation> BingoBoingo: why not work for the library in exchange for money? << Managing paper is a dying niche
asciilifeform: mp_colonist: i am very glad they did not fix. relying on black box turd for a critical piece of mechanics was stupid, and it was necessary to pay with suffering for it (did.)
asciilifeform: education!
mp_colonist: asciilifeform, you know, this strikes me as kinda silly. a la restaurant that will mistreat customers ordering $7 worth of coffee because they didn't buy $40 worth of pizza or w/e
asciilifeform: mp_colonist: wolfram corp. is quite unlike a restaurant
decimation: mp_colonist: this is standard behavior among us 'tech' companies
asciilifeform: in that most of their revenue comes from 'whales.'
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mp_colonist: so restaurant's revenue comes from people who eat out.
mp_colonist: most people don't.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: So Wolfram is an event caterer
decimation: right, but in a restaurant you don't have one guy who eats 80% of the food and everyone else eats peanuts
mp_colonist: kinda how it works in egypt yeah
BingoBoingo: <decimation> right, but in a restaurant you don't have one guy who eats 80% of the food and everyone else eats peanuts << Not undeard of
mp_colonist: guys inside eat the food, buncha derps outside eat peanuts
asciilifeform: i linked to the film not because anything in it is new (the maniac renamed the product after himself, for no reason, but this is uninteresting) but to demonstrate a genuine monopoly product
asciilifeform: where he could easily ask most of the hardcore users to suck his cock as a condition of license renewal - and many would.
decimation: zooming out further, probably more than 90% of the revenue for wolfram comes from usg
decimation: either directly or indirectly
mp_colonist: asciilifeform, wouldn't last long. this cock sucking thing... truth is, the penis doens't last too long even to normal copulatory friction. saliva is digestive.
asciilifeform: decimation: my operation was 100% usg.
mp_colonist: try having your pecker in a mouth four a few hours a day for a few days and see what sore truely means
asciilifeform: mp_colonist: proverbial adamantine indestructible cock.
mp_colonist: o so you can't feel anything ?
mp_colonist: have them suck your desk legs
decimation: or a statue of yourself
asciilifeform: that's more or less what he does.
asciilifeform: most of the humiliation serves no immediate purpose
BingoBoingo: mp_colonist> try having your pecker in a mouth four a few hours a day for a few days and see what sore truely means << Wasn't this limiting factor discussed this spring?
asciilifeform: beyond it being there on tap when necessary.
BingoBoingo: !s digested penis
mp_colonist: so we're at the point in hipster evolution where cute rebel late hs chicks misrepresent themselves as associated with us for the benefit of w/e cute boy named ethan ?
JuliaTourianski: +mp_colonist ahhaah truth
mp_colonist: i feel like the bodymod people
mp_colonist: it's a sad feeling.
asciilifeform: (forget 'w. alpha', it's a clown show) mathematica - is example of a product for which not even a vaguely passable (to aficionado) alternative exists, at any price point
mp_colonist: BingoBoingo, possibly.
mp_colonist: asciilifeform, am i stupid or why i never used it ?
asciilifeform: mp_colonist: it only became interesting after ver. 6 or so.
asciilifeform: !up mp_colonist
Dimsler: lol
mp_colonist: so what am i missing out on ?
BingoBoingo: mp_colonist: Apparently there was at least a hint of the discussion
assbot: Logged on 11-04-2014 18:39:14; mircea_popescu: my penis is half digested by all the saliva
mp_colonist: BingoBoingo, only goes to show i speak with ht eweight of experience.
asciilifeform: i was always too lazy to answer this question (and don't fancy getting folks addicted, i laboured under abject druggie hell from it) but the film exists now
asciilifeform: to answer this question, for those who really are certain they wish to know.
mp_colonist: i am certainly not watching any films
mp_colonist: even if it had tits.
asciilifeform: it's herr w. showing screen captures.
mp_colonist: i just hate the format. fucking visual thinkers psssshhh. sinners.
decimation: from my experience the other competing program is 'matlab'
asciilifeform: decimation: not even remotely the same.
mp_colonist: so then also q ?
mp_colonist: or r or s or w/e
asciilifeform: decimation: of course, users of 'matlab' will say 'sure! we're same.' -- like 'glbse' vs 'mpex'...
mats_cd03: now thats a zinger
mp_colonist: asciilifeform, can you put the difference in twelve words ?
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah you are right of course. matlab has a 'symbolic' toolbox but the actual programming language is not the same at all
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asciilifeform: graphical constructs as first-class data structures.
mp_colonist: ;;ticker
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decimation: asciilifeform: I can open a png in an emacs buffer ;)
mp_colonist: asciilifeform, oh i see. no wonder i never cared.
asciilifeform: that isn't really a complete picture.
asciilifeform: but herr w. isn't paying me to create addicts. i'm almost sorry i mentioned it...
mp_colonist: not judging it, just curious.
asciilifeform: must really be seen to be understood.
decimation: matlab is the de facto standard for dsp development
mp_colonist: exactly. not my kinda thing
asciilifeform: decimation: classic vendor lock-in. disgusting turd.
decimation: I prototype using matlab, but I find the 'index starts at 1' fortranism enraging
asciilifeform: decimation: university labs are given a 'complete package' with instrument libraries, etc.; students forced to use.
decimation: yeah that's pretty much what I encoutered
asciilifeform: ascii input & output, terrible for any real mathematical work
decimation: the only real symbolic math packing I've seen folks use is 'maple'
asciilifeform: another 'glbse'
decimation: yeah, also with ascii in & out
asciilifeform did not exhume this item to praise 'mathematica' but to bury it - it's an example of something everybody else should have copied and used as permanent baseline for anything new, like kalashnikov.
asciilifeform: but instead - monopoly.
asciilifeform: (as discussed re: apple, here )
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decimation: I agree from my limited experience with mathematica that its graphical 'repl' is unique
decimation: and highly pleasing for symbolic math
asciilifeform: bury the fscking turds. viagra exists, do we need penis vacuums and stinging beetles in cups ?
asciilifeform: venomous ants, to get it up ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: As survivor of the soviet system and pending survivor of the Americunt system... WHy does Velveeta come in block, shredded and sliced forms???
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ussr was innocent of velveeta.
asciilifeform has never had the pleasure of actually tasting this 'marvel.'
asciilifeform would rather boil his belt & accordion than eat it.
decimation: asciilifeform: unlike mathematica, at least 'octave' exists
decimation: there's no 'open source mimic' of mathematica, which would be the first step toward improvement I should think
asciilifeform: decimation: the question of why no 'octave'-like clone exists for mathematica, is not uninteresting
asciilifeform: and probably has bearing on the fundamental pathologies of what we call 'open source.'
mp_colonist: << this thing for the record is atrociously bad
assbot: 21st Century Magic
asciilifeform: bad but obligatory.
mp_colonist: about on par with a sex treatise by a typical 17 yo
asciilifeform: mp_colonist: dutch is the same guy who did the symmetry-groups thing. he has an astonishing spectrum of strange.
decimation: I suspect a major part of the motivation for 'matlab clone' is that young programmers have matlab stuff down their throats, as explained above
mp_colonist: "metaphisics by [dubious] scientists - we've not figured anything positive on our own so here's what we got to say about a whole subject we never formally studied"
asciilifeform: decimation: they sure do.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Was curious if SSR had same dairy afliction as SSA
decimation: then find that they can't afford the license fee when they want to buy it with their lunch money
mp_colonist: he is sorely out of his deph
asciilifeform: mp_colonist: write to him! dollars to doughnuts, he'll have an interesting answer.
mp_colonist: i might, but the problem is that he's attacking a high level problem and lacks the basics
decimation: whereas most users of mathematica probably go out of their way (rejecting alternatives) to buy a license (using usg's money of course)
mp_colonist: so he fights with utterly reductionist meaninglessness, to discover it's meaningless
asciilifeform: mp_colonist: the man is a geologist (as far as i can judge - a good one) and an amateur scholar of crackpottery. no pretenses at being a monumental philosopher.
mp_colonist: well the pretense is in the pudding.
mp_colonist: tell me this : how come he doesn't include an ydiscussion of the notion of number, or sphere in there ?
asciilifeform: 'picked up the piece - move.' yes.
mp_colonist: they're JUST AS "magical" as the examples he gives.
mp_colonist: why not ? why the blindspot ?
mp_colonist: ah, because you gotta know how to carpent to not end up hammering your finger "accidentally" and "because you didn't see it" ?
asciilifeform: mp_colonist: clearly 'platonist' - thinks that particular bit of magic 'works when you plug it in.'
mp_colonist: he's not a platonist inasmuch as he's not read or understood plato
mp_colonist: you can't be a mpist just because my beard gives you a hardon
asciilifeform: lower-case-p
asciilifeform dusts off 'shift' key
decimation: one hypothesis of the 'open source community' based on this evidence: far more motivated to imitate mediocrity than invent unique & interesting
mp_colonist: everyone with this pedestrian "oh magic derp". who the fuck of all these would be scientists actually understands, not in the sense of has-read-frege-and-so-on, but in the sense of has sat down an hour quietly to think on the subject - who i say understands numbers ?
asciilifeform: decimation: this might actually go straight to mp's piece about good knight/conqueror and good father being different animals
mp_colonist: "o, they're just these gas knobs, when you turn them the tea warms". tyvm, fucktard omfg bbq
mp_colonist: magoscientists complaining about how magomagicians aren't doing magoscience right.
asciilifeform: decimation: if you are inventor, gruntwork (of the kind involved in achieving almost anything substantial with existing computer systems) is a monumental torture.
mp_colonist: /endrant
decimation: asciilifeform: 'c machine kazoo'
asciilifeform: magoscientists complaining about how magomagicians aren't doing magoscience right << obligatory: 'monday begins on saturday' (strugatski brothers.) << exists in english!!
asciilifeform: about... this.
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BingoBoingo: ;;google "the asylum" alpha house
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decimation: asciilifeform: do mix Mr Yarvin's metaphor - what would "Haakon the Fairhaired" do about computers today? would he pointlessly toil with c-machine kazoo or would he bide his time and work on something unique?
asciilifeform: decimation: easy one. he'd sail off, rape, pillage.
asciilifeform: never touch computer.
decimation: lol yeah
mp_colonist: maybe he'd troll alibaba for rape memorabilia ?
asciilifeform: at most.
mp_colonist: then not pay for it.
decimation: I suspect that it would be hard to convince mr. Haakon that money was not gold
mp_colonist: decimation, he prolly would understand current money as an extension of "honor"
mp_colonist: not as money.
asciilifeform: mp_colonist: he would also immediately grasp the present situation as 'nithlings' ('pederasts' to russian prisoner, ??? to english) took control and force people to behave as if they were people and their honour had weight
decimation: mp_colonist: that's an interesting thought, you are probably right. it also makes the actions of the west w.r.t. money obviously 'dishonorable'
mp_colonist: decimation, i think more along asciilifeform's idea. nothing but weakness.
BingoBoingo actually believes Alibaba could be that big measured in Fiats
decimation: thus, rape & pillage the dishonorable
mp_colonist: dishonor is a different category, in that it's an affliction of the strong.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Greeks in English
mp_colonist: decimation, you can't burn fuel in an atmosphere of fuel.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nope.
mp_colonist: and there's no one man raiding parties.
mp_colonist: so... prolly not.
decimation: so he would perceive these 'pederasts' as non-people, too weak to even have honor.
asciilifeform: dishonour on a nithling is like a papercut on a flayed corpse
asciilifeform: 'not a number'
mp_colonist: he'd prolly try and leave
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The classic Spartans behing the boarding schools, not the historical greeks
asciilifeform: !up mp_colonist
mp_colonist: actually this could be a decent counterpart to svjek story, "rothgar the barbarian in modern day malmo".
mp_colonist: sorta document his mishaps trying to gtfo.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not them, either. afaik the translation of russian prison 'pederast' to engl. is 'punk' ('nonce' in british world ?? ) ?
mp_colonist: pity there's no jerome k jerome extant to write it
mp_colonist: asciilifeform, punk works. it denotes an unintentionally submissive, younger gay man.
mp_colonist: just people tend to pretend they don't know this.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Such ananlogues exist, the Jerry sanduskies. The disconnect is in the lazy dictionaries
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there is a ritual, in a great many cultures, whereby a miscreant (not necessarily inclined to be buggered originally) is 'lowered into pederasty' - normally as a punishment
asciilifeform: but possibly as result of a 'loss of maleness' event of some category
BingoBoingo: !s prison
asciilifeform: << in english. concerns polish prisons.
asciilifeform: describes a watered-down version of the ritual and its sequelae.
assbot: Rape as a disciplinary tactic -
asciilifeform: (among other things)
asciilifeform: ^ 'Games Prisoners Play' (Kaminski)
asciilifeform: the menacing zek on the cover is a real riot, considering how sympathetic the creatures in this book are (compared to russian zeks described in corresponding tomes)
asciilifeform: (they're 'victorian' gentlemen by comparison)
decimation: so perhaps the analogy is something like how cortez would have perceived the aztecs, derpy pagan losers who had a 'civilization' that fell to his merry band
BingoBoingo: decimation> so perhaps the analogy is something like how cortez would have perceived the aztecs, derpy pagan losers who had a 'civilization' that fell to his merry band << Cortex succeeded in pressingneighbor against neighbor
asciilifeform: the question that almost begs to be asked is whether haakon (cortez, whoever) would immediately seize upon modern tech as being the product of long-dead wizards, as it is.
decimation: heh yeah "tech-men"
asciilifeform: if yes - modern world gets arse drilled out several sizes up.
BingoBoingo: Cortez? who knows, his first officer, probably
mp_colonist: asciilifeform, i doubt these are similar from any other pov than your own.
mp_colonist: to them themselves, you prolly look closer to the other than they
asciilifeform has no pretenses of ability to look human to cortez, haakon, -- or even a man like isambard brunel, bridge-builder.
mp_colonist: in any case this civ outlook, with phenomenology as a problem to be solved is entirely new.
mp_colonist: they had fun in different ways, and subscribed to different priors
asciilifeform: they had fun in different ways << to the naked eye - seem similar ways ?
BingoBoingo: phenomenology as its own prior seems a distinctly French/German affliction
mp_colonist: asciilifeform, if you see a woman moaning can you tell if she's having an orgasm ?
mp_colonist: fun's an interior matter.
asciilifeform: but, positing the fun (vs a taxidermic skin of fun) you can catalogue observables.
asciilifeform: e.g. she is sitting on a sharp stake. (probably was not inserted by request) - so perhaps not having fun
asciilifeform: (or, or...)
mp_colonist: nah, im cataloguing the implications of context
mp_colonist: "a trained whore with five years' brothel experience would never etc etc"
mp_colonist: "this 16yo mormon girl has just for the first time encountered and is trying to make sense of"
asciilifeform: with five years' brothel experience << '3 ani experienta' !
mp_colonist: take haakon and cortez. one is part of a tradition reflective of the edda.
mp_colonist: the other of doctor angelicum's stuff.
mp_colonist: obviously these will structure experience differently by indicating different bits as important or unimportant.
asciilifeform will not presume to guess whether eating steak, or rape, pillage, 'felt the same' or not given the differing structures.
mp_colonist: show you tungsten you think carbides, or lightbulbs. show it to paracelsus he thinks "lesbian silver"
mp_colonist: rape certainly doesn't feel the same.
asciilifeform: ;;google archimedes gramophone
gribble: Archimedean spiral - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Archimedean spiral: <>; Young Archimedes Summary - <>
mp_colonist: but anyway, i shall be back later for even more discussions of things and matters!
BingoBoingo: Some of my dick's beat memories involve particular lesbians.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> be glad for the bell. << amen. i recently undertook to build a piece of 'golden cage' 'software' to ship over to a client. required 'upgrading' 'xcode', which required 'upgrading' 'os x', a thing i'd been avoiding on principle as the bell shows up every time i plug the shitbox in.
BingoBoingo though now ponders the habitavility of Argentina's snake Island
ben_vulpes: forty (billed) minutes later, i have a combudder as what can make 'iOS 8' things happen to...shit i don't even know how it happens to other devices.
ben_vulpes: there are keys and certs and provisioning things and developer whatsits and i ask you - why does this thing not simply run code?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: You know how OSX gets credit from scribbing from *BSD's yes?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Whose libc does Android use though??
ben_vulpes: LS(1) BSD General Commands Manual LS(1) << BingoBoingo quite.
ben_vulpes: who knows/cares.
ben_vulpes: it's a convenient chumpatron - both my shartup short and the touchscreen phenom.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: They taken OpenBSD's libc, for what reason who cares. THey are just the queer little unix with the kernel lock that hampers IP stacks, right?
ben_vulpes: 'android'? unix?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: OSX, MacOS???
ben_vulpes: "they" ambiguous.
BingoBoingo: Until "they" corner you in gasen shower
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ben_vulpes: why do you bring up bsd in the context of macos, BingoBoingo ?
ben_vulpes: aside from pedigree.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Well, what is OSX/NExT step other than Sun OS poorly ported to PPC?
ben_vulpes: your point?
BingoBoingo: Need there be one?
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ben_vulpes: not for you apparently.
ben_vulpes: ;;ident JuliaTourianski
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ben_vulpes: ;;gpginfo JuliaTourianski
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ben_vulpes: ;;gpg info JuliaTourianski
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ben_vulpes: ;;gpg info JuliaTourianski_
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BingoBoingo: Jobs turned Sun OS into OS X, Google turned OpenBSD libc on lunix to make Android. THe world turns, everydog becomes a mutt. And no one cares for generology anymoar!
ben_vulpes: genealogy?
BingoBoingo: Fucking Rasberry Pi is a thing, and consumer MIPS boards are a mirage that require bending FPGA's to shape.
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> genealogy? << WIth wetware this is a deciding factor...
BingoBoingo: And Wetware still has its hints in silicon if only for another decade...
BingoBoingo: Where shit comes from matters ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: really? i was under the impression that it was just shit and to be avoided.
assbot: Pentium FDIV bug - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
ben_vulpes: reddit v. - matters?
BingoBoingo: Pedigree matters.
ben_vulpes: " On January 17, 1995, Intel announced a pre-tax charge of $475 million against earnings" << convenient
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: You dog is from a breed that requires low derp, yes?
ben_vulpes: if you're asking if the trainers have to know what they're doing and do it properly then yes.
BingoBoingo: That, and that is a luxury of handling wetware in that case.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: importance of pedigree is proportional to information poverty.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: try gedankenexperiment:
asciilifeform: 'choose from where you will eat $mysteryobject - from vegetable market, or city dump.'
ben_vulpes: <mp_colonist> +ben_vulpes no idea how that happened. noobicle. << shit, vulpes. did you just get called by a girl ?! << read it again, and that to which it's a response.
asciilifeform: (note that you could just as easily end up eating a dog turd from the market and a blade of grass from the dump)
asciilifeform: but pedigree is all you have if $mysteryobject.
ben_vulpes: i'm sadly intimately familiar with the turds in flight.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> 'choose from where you will eat $mysteryobject - from vegetable market, or city dump.' I may be a poor subject for this one... I sometime pick Toxicodendron radicans for personal consumption
ben_vulpes: pity the pauper.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: kBez << gold
ben_vulpes: a no scuse me 'gold'
BingoBoingo: I find Toxicodendron radicans to resemble an oak-ish spin on mustard
BingoBoingo: Maybe I have a future processing cashews?
xmj: good morning
BingoBoingo: Still I lean towards choosing market as a dog turd vendor likely won't last long.
xmj: ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: my main question about paypal adding Bitcoin support is-
xmj: ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: who the hell are they trying to Screw Over ?
xmj: PayPal is one of the most annoyingly law-compliant payment processors I know. Their adding BTC cannot be a good sign
ben_vulpes: xmj: if you have to ask...
ben_vulpes: remember that you're the one who insisted on taking a dependency on the aforementioned heathens.
ben_vulpes: out of curiosity: did they ever remit?
xmj: ?
xmj: remit as in me getting the money onto my bank account?
BingoBoingo: ;;sell 1 Roy Wood Sellars "The Philosophy of Physical Realism" at 1.5 BTC Shipping negotiable
gribble: Error: 'Wood' is not a valid price input.
BingoBoingo: ;;sell 1 "Roy Wood Sellars The Philosophy of Physical Realism" at 1.5 BTC Shipping negotiable
gribble: Order id 21493 created.
ben_vulpes: <decimation> mp_colonist: that's an interesting thought, you are probably right. it also makes the actions of the west w.r.t. money obviously 'dishonorable' << zero, one, infinity. a good wot may grant you a coin of honor.
ben_vulpes: details of premine and network operation are hazy.
ben_vulpes: consider though, the coin whose owner controls its network. 'mpexcoin' vs. 'goxcoin'. one trades at an indistinguishable discount (mp claims premium) from market, the other traded at a notable discount (eventually).
thestringpuller: the insomniacs club!
thestringpuller: now meeting in #b-a
ben_vulpes: it ain't that late
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64899 @ 0.00075031 = 48.6944 BTC [-] {6}
BingoBoingo: “We the people of Liberia were originally inhabitants of the United States of North America. … We were excluded from all participation in the government. We were taxed without our consent. … In coming to the shores of Africa, we indulged the pleasing hope we would be permitted to exercise and improve those faculties which impart to man his dignity …
xmj: 09:02:29 <+thestringpuller> the insomniacs club!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12950 @ 0.00074814 = 9.6884 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up wolverine
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00074794 = 7.5542 BTC [-] {2}
[]bot: Bet created: "Bitcoin to remain at or above $400 for two months"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00075417 = 14.7063 BTC [+] {2}
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to remain at or above $400 for two months" Odds: 94(Y):6(N) by coin, 94(Y):6(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,988.
Naphex: o/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13536 @ 0.00074755 = 10.1188 BTC [-]
assbot: ty
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8050 @ 0.00074843 = 6.0249 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: bb up for the time being.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1000 @ 0.00056952 = 0.5695 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1063 @ 0.00057399 = 0.6102 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 124 @ 0.01099368 = 1.3632 BTC [-] {2}
The20YearIRCloud: sounds like europe is leading the way!
kakobrekla: how, with euro making new lows?
The20YearIRCloud: KYC for internet users
bounce: both usa ("nstic") and eu are working on "internet passports", have been for a while too.
assbot: BitBet - NASA to discover intelligent alien life before 2015 :: 0.04 B (3%) on Yes, 1.13 B (97%) on No | closing in 2 months 1 week| weight: 22`736 (100`000 to 1)
xmj: ahahah
assbot: Couple to Get Married on the Bitcoin Blockchain at Disney Bitcoin Conference – Bitcoin Magazine
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3152 @ 0.00074732 = 2.3556 BTC [-]
xmj: you kno
xmj: the guy who gets married...
xmj: is a friend of mine whose server i helped migrating... lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1412 @ 0.000575 = 0.8119 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00074732 = 12.9286 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: marriage. first thing a nascent government goes after.
assbot: BitBet - India's Mars Orbiter Mission will succeed on schedule :: 0.16 B (25%) on Yes, 0.49 B (75%) on No | closed 2 days 14 hours ago
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00074777 = 16.4509 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7307 @ 0.00074732 = 5.4607 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 430.2, Best ask: 432.09, Bid-ask spread: 1.89000, Last trade: 432.09, 24 hour volume: 32648.91886848, 24 hour low: 394.0, 24 hour high: 452.67, 24 hour vwap: 430.767789311
mircea_popescu: bah what sort of scam 330 is this
assbot: rich homie
mircea_popescu: so was bitbet actually down ?
kakobrekla: well bitbet was sort of down and assbot suffered the most
Apocalyptic: kakobrekla, hard to tell if guy was serious or trolling
mircea_popescu: poor assbot.
kakobrekla: i dont know, i saw 'low orbit ion cannons cannons' and got scared.
ben_vulpes: << amazing design
assbot: MSHR
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic that's the new generation. sorta half-ass doing things and being "ironic" about them at the same time as a sort of multi-hedged insurance agaisnt the scary world.
kakobrekla: imagine cannons shooting out whole cannons
kakobrekla runs in the basement to hide.
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, ahah
mircea_popescu: can't say he's not tried. can't say he's really tried, either. can't say he's a faggot, not really, can'
mircea_popescu: t say anything. aderpynymous!
artifexd: Anybody else going to the bitcoin conference at Disney? With so many b-a'ers in FL, maybe a b-a get together is not out of line.
mircea_popescu dusts off his technicality club insignia, proceeds to explain to kako difference between running in the basement to hide and running to hide in the basement. the first is like pouring vodka to drink, the latter like getting glass to pour vodka
mircea_popescu: artifexd might be an idea. who all is in fl tho ?!
artifexd: I don't remember. I remember it being a thing about there being several who are.
kakobrekla: but i en up hidden and in the basement in both instances?
ben_vulpes: << oh god oh god my bleeding eyes
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla perhaps!
mircea_popescu: who's Peter Schiff again ?
kakobrekla: im confused by this vodka example. are we getting drunk here or what?
mircea_popescu: yeah we're getting drunk
kakobrekla: got it!
TomServo: mircea_popescu: American investment broker, author and financial commentator. Schiff is CEO and chief global strategist[4] of Euro Pacific Capital Inc., a broker-dealer based in Westport, Connecticut.[5] -According to pediwikia
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you know your secret agent reddit/4chan guy tried to "ddos" trilema earlier too
mircea_popescu: he... failed.
TomServo: Also a radio show
mircea_popescu: TomServo aok.
mircea_popescu: wondering if he's trolling bitbet or just being impersonated.
TomServo: in which instance?
kakobrekla: dunno, but i wouldnt mind to leave britney alone.
mircea_popescu: Number of simultaneously running php and cgi scripts, as well as cron jobs and shell sessions: 65724 (max).
mircea_popescu: that's not SO BAD is it ?
assbot: BitBet - BTC worth over $5000 before 2015 :: 5.56 B (8%) on Yes, 63.92 B (92%) on No | closing in 2 months 1 week| weight: 22`415 (100`000 to 1)
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla seriously, as assbot becomes more of a central piece of bitcoin infrastructure, more of this is to be expected.
mircea_popescu: in other words : britney's getting her tits now and she's never EVER going to be left alone ever again.
kakobrekla: britney needs a new bra.
asciilifeform: or a death ray.
mircea_popescu: and a new sex tape
mircea_popescu: (lol of all time, in bar, people put their shit on table - phones keys etc - this hardcore highschooler chick that somewhat reminds me of miss julia t puts a huge bubblegum tape thing
mircea_popescu: the hell is that ?!" "oh this ? it's my sex tape"
nubbins`: so i just upgraded my laptop for the first time since i bought it in 2008
mircea_popescu: you finally got someone to take that canadian bitcent? :D
nubbins`: heh!
nubbins`: in fact, i bought the RAM from newegg, altho i didn't use btc
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
mircea_popescu: (seinfeld line)
mircea_popescu: nubbins` is that good ?
nubbins`: came with 2gb ram, the 8gb is noticeably better so far
nubbins`: it loaded the SHIT out of this irc client
nubbins`: processor is, well, a 6yo processor
nubbins`: but for the work i do, it's irrelevant. all about the ram
nubbins`: finally i can open 40k-node SVG files without weeping
mircea_popescu: how many boobs is that ?
nubbins`: over 9k
mircea_popescu: 3.x nodes/boob ?!
nubbins`: the nipple is just a point w/ heavy stroke
mircea_popescu: are you a robot ?
nubbins` oils penis
nubbins`: does not compute
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( )
nubbins`: heh.
nubbins`: 2015: "Best of Bash" hardcover silkscreened book released to critical acclaim
asciilifeform: svg << anyone familiar with the atrocity will understand why everyone involved with 'xml' should be roasting in hell, with devils stoking the furnace with copies of the standards literature.
nubbins`: asciilifeform it was actually XSLT which rekindled the flames of my misanthropy
asciilifeform: yes, let's have massive 'plain text' representation for multi-MB turds that no human will ever read.
nubbins`: but hey, it's the only open-source vector graphics standard we have
nubbins`: we don't love it because it's pretty, we love it because it's the only one
asciilifeform: nubbins`: let's eat shit, it's the only food we all have.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i like plaintext, it's why i -a all my gpg
nubbins`: alf OTHERWISE WE'LL STARVE ;(
nubbins`: wait, is eps an open standard?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: deliberate use of non-optimally-compact representation was justified with 'humans will read and write it without having to, horrors, use a program.'
asciilifeform: (text editor, apparently, does not count as 'program')
mircea_popescu: im not defending xml and its devil spawn
mircea_popescu: but there is some merit in using ascii for data.
asciilifeform: and so you get to use multiple GB of memory, to represent a few MB worth of picture.
asciilifeform: isomorphic ascii representation of whatever-the-fuck-we-want can always be generated on demand.
nubbins`: i'm waiting for the part where stan explains what format i should be saving my graphics in
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't use it to hold pics in memory
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it doesn't exist yet.
nubbins`: oh oh.
nubbins`: well fuck
mircea_popescu: ikr ? tell the customers to wait.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: even 1980s-vintage 'postscript' - works.
asciilifeform is actually fond of hand-cranked 'postscript'
nubbins` ponders this
asciilifeform: tastes great with 'latex'
mircea_popescu: make all graphics latex files!
nubbins`: hahah
mircea_popescu: edit with emacs
nubbins`: LaTeX: WYSINECTWYG
mircea_popescu: WYSI^H^H^H^H@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
nubbins` used latex to produce every paper he ever wrote in uni
mircea_popescu: i used lates to make sex toys.
nubbins`: anyway, this is all a bit of a wank. at the end of the day, i have to convert all my graphics to adobe illustrator format
mircea_popescu: as to the papers, im pretty sure they were 99% vi
nubbins`: call me when svg/eps supports CMYK color spaces
mircea_popescu: nubbins` there was a hacked toghether non-adobe cymk format thing
mircea_popescu: not sure if anyone other than correction typography used it
nubbins`: i use proprietary 3rd-party drivers for my film printer, my hands are pretty tied on this
nubbins`: inkscape: unfit for output
assbot: Accurip
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 3.70296136 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 322 satoshi per share
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24400 @ 0.00074811 = 18.2539 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: !t h peta
assbot: [HAVELOCK:PETA] 1D: 0.00051500 / 0.00055845 / 0.00061000 (15921 shares, 8.89104610 BTC), 7D: 0.00051500 / 0.00066337 / 0.00075000 (59174 shares, 39.25406987 BTC), 30D: 0.00051041 / 0.0006593 / 0.00096000 (294788 shares, 194.35236153 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.27252613 BTC to 15`097 shares, 8429 satoshi per share
mats_cd03: RCE through bash CVE-2014-6271
nubbins`: huh.
nubbins`: that's a big one
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.00074913 = 16.4059 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: bashbleed...
mats_cd03: dont give anybody ideas asciilifeform
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: complain to the fellow who inserted the 'bug'
mats_cd03: p soon there will be a website n a nice graphic
asciilifeform: his 'idea' not mine.
mats_cd03: not everything is malicious, you know
asciilifeform favours, e.g., 'headbash' vs 'bashbleed'
asciilifeform: not everything is malicious << see the ancient thread (mp's?) re: whether it is useful to distinguish between sufficiently incompetent 'rangers' and actual scammers
mats_cd03: seen't it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform link ? :)
asciilifeform: mats_cd03 linked above
mircea_popescu: so basically all cgi calls have been forever vulnerable. thanks the world for php ?
assbot: oss-sec: CVE-2014-6271: remote code execution through bash
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no your most recent reference.
asciilifeform: ah the other thing
asciilifeform: !s incompetence
asciilifeform: ^ somewhere in there...
mircea_popescu: Note that on Linux systems where /bin/sh is symlinked to /bin/bash,
mircea_popescu: any popen() / system() calls from within languages such as PHP would
mircea_popescu: be of concern due to the ability to control HTTP_* in the env.
nubbins`: i hate the phrase "so there you have it"
nubbins`: (was just watching a video of some asshole bending his new iphone)
nubbins`: so there you have it, folks: you can bend a thin aluminum phone with your hands
nubbins`: no fucking shit :/
kakobrekla: i just tried mine. does not bend. does blend though.
kakobrekla: (is not appleturdware - i really feel i need to express this.)
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: what wasn't ?
kakobrekla: what wasn't what ?
asciilifeform: 'is not apple turdware'
kakobrekla: well anything not apple is not apple turdware, just turdware.
kakobrekla: but its a (now kinda old) android with unibody so i can hammer nails with it.
assbot: Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack | Red Hat Security
mircea_popescu: !up wywialm
mircea_popescu can't help thinking these people are idiots.
mircea_popescu: i mean take a plumber. a plumber i can respect.
mircea_popescu: but the cream of the crop of computer monkeys ? how. why.
kakobrekla: a plumber destroyed my friends house last month.
mircea_popescu: DHCP clients invoke shell scripts to configure the system, with values taken from a potentially malicious server. This would allow arbitrary commands to be run, typically as root, on the DHCP client machine.
nubbins`: it's like showing up at richard branson's house and the hot&cold taps are reversed
kakobrekla: liek 30k of damage and insurance is fighting to pay cause 'these things happen'.
nubbins`: hmm, canada post claims force majeure in not delivering my package on time
mircea_popescu: env x='() { :;}; echo vulnerable' bash -c "echo this is a test" << tester.
nubbins`: those bastards
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla hm.
mircea_popescu: that's the best line i ever heard
mircea_popescu: "we're not paying out insurance when things happen because things happen"
kakobrekla: its insane.
bounce: sue, sue
nubbins`: maybe the shitty plumber was also force majeure
nubbins`: insurance company: "WE couldn't stop it from happening"
kakobrekla: the problem is she has a little kido and needs to solve this before the winter
kakobrekla: its gonna sue alright.
kakobrekla: !up CheckDavid
CheckDavid: Thanks kakobrekla
CheckDavid: Insurance firms are now in the business of insuring things that don't happen? Amazing business model
CheckDavid: Lolol
CheckDavid: Clause N° 742 - if something happens, it is not covered by this plan
Duffer1: oh kakobrekla how did that bitsurant / bitbet turn out?
mircea_popescu: bash: warning: x: ignoring function definition attempt bash: error importing function definition for `x' <<< patched bash sez
kakobrekla: havent heard from any of them
kakobrekla: maybe MP did
nubbins`: mp's gender-related posts are so cringey
Duffer1: aww :( that was highly entertaining
kakobrekla: iirc they said they will publish it somewhere sometime
kakobrekla: as their first case or smth
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 i have nfi what is this again ?
Duffer1: lol awesome
kakobrekla: i figured it out though
Duffer1: some tool bet 1btc on bitbet after the outcome was known, then tried to use the blockchain to say he bet in time, got refunded .99btc, then had some bitsurant derp try to claim winnings
kakobrekla: now cex and bitfinex has losing only assets and icbit wanted to have that too
kakobrekla: so thats why they will now sell insurance on icbit
kakobrekla: and sell it on bitsurant
kakobrekla: to other party
mircea_popescu: im confused.
mircea_popescu: we're not seriously discussing a bitcent are we ?
kakobrekla: should say issue insurance on bitsurant
Duffer1: yep
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu pirate started with satoshi
mircea_popescu: so if you insure a bitcent how much is the policy cost ? fiddy satoshi ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 732 @ 0.00074975 = 0.5488 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: btcjam started with satoshi
kakobrekla: still full operational chumpatron
kakobrekla: fully*
mircea_popescu: so is teh usg.
kakobrekla: no wait, INsure!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i bet you not more than three people have read the bash code since 1999.
mircea_popescu: i tell you, if my signaturss thing existed people would at least KNOW what a fucking fraud this foss bs is
mircea_popescu: "o, many eyes". WHAT many eyes.
mircea_popescu: no fucking eyes, and even less brains.
asciilifeform: 'many eyes, many eyes!' he said, pointing at meat, with flies.
assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( )
kakobrekla: such poetry
asciilifeform: loletry.
bounce: eh, meat. who wants to meet meat?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: consider though, the coin whose owner controls its network. <<< pedigree of owner is of import in a situation of absent information.
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2014 05:39:28; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: importance of pedigree is proportional to information poverty.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was pretty much directly quoting fro mlog :)
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: precisely the point. owner's pedigree is the only thing backing a premined coin whose mining network is controlled entirely by the owner.
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 198 Ask: 266 Last Price: 266 24h-Vol: 0k High: 266 Low: 266 VWAP: 266
thestringpuller: anyone from bitpay in WoT?
thestringpuller: or are they just anti-wot cause they want to make their own via facebook...
thestringpuller: !seach get bits
thestringpuller: !search get bits
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller josh rossi works or used to work there
kakobrekla: he is liek everywhere
thestringpuller: what's his wot handle?
mircea_popescu: ;;ident mjr_
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
mircea_popescu: ;;gpg info mjr_
gribble: No such user registered.
kakobrekla: cept on irc
mircea_popescu: wtf was it
Apocalyptic: thestringpuller, maybe jgarzik is
thestringpuller: ;;gettrust jgarzik
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user jgarzik: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Mon Nov 8 13:35:30 2010
thestringpuller: yea he is a lead dev there
kakobrekla: ;;gpg info mjr
gribble: No such user registered.
thestringpuller: !s from:mjr
assbot: Logged on 16-04-2014 16:43:33; mjr_: ;;ident
thestringpuller: elusive like smickles I see
kakobrekla: ;;rate josh_rossi 1 met IRL back in the day
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user josh_rossi has been recorded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22803 @ 0.00075196 = 17.1469 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: and they didnt even go as far as mars (in the movie).
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4567 @ 0.0007542 = 3.4444 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'the best eulogy is suicide on the grave' << 47 ronin!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7850 @ 0.00075026 = 5.8895 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: << not the glorious turd tower that is 'headbash', but still great.
assbot: consolecowboys: Arris Cable Modem Backdoor - I'm a technician, trust me.
asciilifeform: << aha this is where it was. (story of naggum and his death by tax.)
assbot: Erik Naggum in memoriam | Pernille Nylehns blog
asciilifeform: 'Erik of course, argued. For years and years. And he wouldn’t pay ANY tax because they were so unreasonable. And then of course he did become guilty of tax evasion, and their tax claim just grew and grew. As a refsult, he couldn’t own anything because it would be confiscated, couldn’t earn money because they would take most of it … and so on. After some years, everything in his life was influenced, and p
asciilifeform: oisoned, by this. I won’t say he was paranoid, but he became very wary and suspicious, and had real trouble trusting people. And his medical condition just got worse and worse...'
thestringpuller: So Naggum would have lived if he had paid taxes?
assbot: Re: Dead software (was: A draft business plan for free software LISP vendors) - Naggum cll archive
asciilifeform: (about 1/3 in)
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: naggum figured out that he could work ~3 months per year and earn the same money, on account of the strange tax laws of his country
asciilifeform: and so he did. but didn't realize what would happen next.
asciilifeform: the local bureaucrats did not believe that he used the remaining year to relax in his library, carry on as polymathic scholar unencumered by day job (a la taleb)
asciilifeform: they assumed that he's whoring under the table.
asciilifeform: and demanded their cut.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00075348 = 8.7404 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller perhaps not, but the norwegian government would have survived had it not assasinated naggum.
assbot: Handwrytten Robot in Action! - YouTube
The20YearIRCloud: how's that tax work asciilifeform ?
asciilifeform: The20YearIRCloud: ~100% after certain threshold. -- if you really give a damn, ask a norwegian.
asciilifeform: jurov: similar machines - but entirely mechanical, no computer - existed since early 20th c., and are still used by american politicians to 'sign' documents.
assbot: Signature Machines - The Autopen Company
asciilifeform: ^ now digital, sure. lusers.
ben_vulpes: ;;ident jaycutler6969
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
ben_vulpes: ;;gpg info jaycutler6969
gribble: No such user registered.
asciilifeform: is there... a fungus among us ?
kakobrekla: jaycutler6969 level1: 0, level2: 3
mats_cd03: a meow
asciilifeform: ;;gpg info jaycutler6969
gribble: No such user registered.
kakobrekla: irc nick != wot nick
kakobrekla: ;;gpg info [ident kakobrekla]
gribble: User 'kakobrekla', with keyid 27AF75321F2489E8, fingerprint 27C3CE9A20851312F086268C27AF75321F2489E8, and bitcoin address None, registered on Fri May 13 18:04:32 2011, last authed on Wed Sep 24 13:20:49 2014. . Currently authenticated from hostmask kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla .
kakobrekla: but he is gone now.
kakobrekla: so cant ident
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8750 @ 0.0007542 = 6.5993 BTC [+]
assbot: Syria Becomes the 7th Predominantly Muslim Country Bombed by 2009 Nobel Peace Laureate - The Intercept
wywialm: asciilifeform, I was waiting for the opportunity to thank you for introducing me to the writings of Erik Naggum through your blog posts. So - thank you.
asciilifeform: wywialm: you're welcome.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11170 @ 0.00075198 = 8.3996 BTC [-] {2}
diametric: wat.
diametric: its always fun talking in a channel and not realizing I don't have voice because my IRC client is dumb and outputs the error to another window that I routinely ignore.
kakobrekla: now you know why nobody likes you!
mircea_popescu: diametric so what did you say ?
diametric: i don't remember, just comments to things here and there over the last few days.
diametric: nothing important.
asciilifeform habitually checks - on account of frequent netsplits
asciilifeform: diametric: ^ good pill against this situation
diametric: yeah, I'm bad at reading the logs.
kakobrekla: if you see assbot then you wont see anything new in the log
kakobrekla: this is re split
asciilifeform: well yes.
kakobrekla: you get parted from assbot often? me - no.
asciilifeform: often enough to remember that it is possible.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 750 @ 0.0007542 = 0.5657 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: britni will never part with you kako
kakobrekla: cept when ddosed :(
kakobrekla: time to get more boxes me thinks.
mircea_popescu: more boxers for britni!
jurov: ;;seen britni
gribble: I have not seen britni.
asciilifeform: ;;seen the elephant
gribble: (seen [<channel>] <nick>) -- Returns the last time <nick> was seen and what <nick> was last seen saying. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. <nick> may contain * as a wildcard.
jurov: ;;seen *
gribble: * could be asciilifeform (35 seconds ago), <last> (35 seconds ago), jurov (1 minute and 5 seconds ago), mircea_popescu (6 minutes and 12 seconds ago), kakobrekla (7 minutes and 3 seconds ago), assbot (8 minutes and 29 seconds ago), diametric (12 minutes and 8 seconds ago), wywialm (31 minutes and 9 seconds ago), lobbes (32 minutes and 22 seconds ago), mats_cd03 (35 minutes and 5 seconds ago), (50 more messages)
jurov: ohmy
jurov: and who is <last> ?
kakobrekla: who is (50 more messages) is better question!
kakobrekla: last is obv last
kakobrekla: same timestamp!
jurov: ;;more
gribble: The20YearIRCloud (36 minutes and 18 seconds ago), ben_vulpes (38 minutes and 3 seconds ago), thestringpuller (1 hour, 42 minutes, and 4 seconds ago), Apocalyptic (2 hours, 31 minutes, and 39 seconds ago), atcbot (2 hours, 34 minutes, and 11 seconds ago), bounce (2 hours, 40 minutes, and 15 seconds ago), Duffer1 (2 hours, 47 minutes, and 29 seconds ago), nubbins` (2 hours, 50 minutes, and 39 (49 more messages)
kakobrekla: just 49 to go.
jurov: ;;more
gribble: seconds ago), penguirker (2 hours, 52 minutes, and 21 seconds ago), CheckDavid (2 hours, 52 minutes, and 27 seconds ago), TomServo (4 hours, 11 minutes, and 41 seconds ago), artifexd (4 hours, 17 minutes, and 2 seconds ago), xmj (5 hours, 56 minutes, and 6 seconds ago), davout (8 hours, 36 minutes, and 5 seconds ago), Naphex (12 hours, 42 minutes, and 13 seconds ago), []bot (13 hours, 4 (48 more messages)
jurov: only for you kako
kakobrekla: awww <3
jurov: ohhh, poor []bot
jurov: just general mischief
kakobrekla: ;;seen [last]
gribble: I have not seen just general mischief.
kakobrekla: hm ok
nubbins`: nanotube :D
mircea_popescu: ;;seen [ticker-last]
gribble: Error: "ticker-last" is not a valid command.
kakobrekla: ;;seen [ticker --last]
gribble: I have not seen 427.72.
mircea_popescu: ;;seen drop table;-- ?
gribble: (seen [<channel>] <nick>) -- Returns the last time <nick> was seen and what <nick> was last seen saying. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. <nick> may contain * as a wildcard.
kakobrekla: ;;seen boby_tables?
gribble: I have not seen boby_tables?.
mircea_popescu: ;;seen fu*
gribble: fu* could be fulloffantasies (11 weeks, 5 days, 7 hours, 16 minutes, and 36 seconds ago), FUDdealer (45 weeks, 0 days, 19 hours, 9 minutes, and 8 seconds ago), fupafooder (52 weeks, 0 days, 0 hours, 36 minutes, and 23 seconds ago), furuknap (1 year, 11 weeks, 1 day, 15 hours, 40 minutes, and 16 seconds ago), furuknap_ (1 year, 12 weeks, 5 days, 17 hours, 17 minutes, and 21 seconds (2 more messages)
kakobrekla: ;;seen [random]
gribble: Error: The command "random" is available in the Dict and Factoids plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "random".
kakobrekla: wanst some random there
kakobrekla: ;;seen [bc,convert eur]
gribble: I have not seen 1 BTC = 429.74 USD = 336.228576 eur.
kakobrekla: but it was!!
kakobrekla: i swear.
asciilifeform: ;;seen [seen]
gribble: I haven't seen anyone matching (seen [<channel>] <nick>) -- Returns the last time <nick> was seen and what <nick> was last seen saying. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. <nick> may contain * as a wildcard..
kakobrekla: ;;seen [seen[seen]]
gribble: I haven't seen anyone matching I haven't seen anyone matching (seen [<channel>] <nick>) -- Returns the last time <nick> was seen and what <nick> was last seen saying. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. <nick> may contain * as a wildcard...
mircea_popescu: ;;seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen [seen]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]
gribble: Error: Spurious "]". You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands.
asciilifeform: student exercise: derive 'y combinator' on this formalism.
mircea_popescu: its pretty much pissoble.
asciilifeform: extra points, prove universality.
mircea_popescu: ;;seen [env x='() { :;}; echo vulnerable' bash -c "echo this is a test"]
gribble: Error: "env" is not a valid command.
nubbins`: ;;seen [seen *]
gribble: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
nubbins`: oh shit he told on me
asciilifeform: lulzies
mircea_popescu: ;;seen [roulette]
gribble: I haven't seen anyone matching *click*.
nubbins`: ;;seen [coin]
gribble: I have not seen tails.
jurov: ;;later tell jurov env x='() { :;}; rm -rf /' bash -c "echo this is a test"
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;seen [up mrspam]
gribble: Error: "up" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: ;;seen [echo !up pampam]
gribble: I have not seen !up pampam.
nubbins`: ;;seen [eauth nubbins`]
gribble: I have not seen Request successful for user nubbins`, hostmask nubbins`! Get your encrypted OTP from
mircea_popescu: apparently we can be endlessly entertained by an accidental reimplementation of malboge
nubbins`: ;;seen [echo ,,rate nubbins` 1 good guy]
gribble: I have not seen ,,rate nubbins` 1 good guy.
kakobrekla: ;;seen [rate kakobrekla 1 noice]
mircea_popescu: ;;seen ( . )( . )
gribble: Error: This command cannot be used in a nested context.
gribble: (seen [<channel>] <nick>) -- Returns the last time <nick> was seen and what <nick> was last seen saying. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. <nick> may contain * as a wildcard.
asciilifeform: malbolge << befunge.
mircea_popescu: ;;seen "( . )( . )"
gribble: I have not seen ( . )( . ).
nubbins`: third nip
artifexd: poor sheltered gribble
mircea_popescu: what shelter is that i say.
nubbins`: ;;seen [sell 1 "GRIBS t-shirt" @ 1 btc]
gribble: I have not seen Order id 21499 created..
nubbins` claps
nubbins`: ;;seen [view 21499]
gribble: I have not seen #21499 Wed Sep 24 16:02:15 2014 nubbins` SELL 1.0 GRIBS t-shirt @ 1 btc (None).
mircea_popescu: ahh sweet people buying trilema credits i love you ever so
nubbins`: true story, i lost ~60 creds when i wiped this computer
mircea_popescu: by now im selling like 1-2 bitcents' worht a day
mircea_popescu: technically enough for a living.
asciilifeform still innocent of the act of buying honest trilema tickets
nubbins`: technically so!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what you bought contraband ?
nubbins`: not unheard of
Duffer1: lmao aftermarket cookies?
asciilifeform: aftermarket ips.
nubbins`: nothing stopping you from sharing your token
nubbins`: mp, put another way, does this mean you're selling a thousand articles a day?
mircea_popescu: i think more currently.
assbot: Bitcoin Address 16crkmdoaK6Tq8NP3FVK7Uxq5Dwdicb3c3
Duffer1: cheap ones too
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: thick cat is thick!
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 people who know they're wasting their time/resources tend to engage in this bizarre rationalizing process whereby by reducing the expense their wasted effort is... less wasted ?
Duffer1: so it seems
asciilifeform: wasted effort << what effort.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kinda my point.
mircea_popescu: that one's not even tried is a poor excuse for one having failed.
kakobrekla: monkey see monkey do
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you dispute some party somewhere is trying to advertise something there ?
asciilifeform: aha that!
kakobrekla: if it works - another matter.
asciilifeform thought the thread was about trilema tokens
mircea_popescu: "well you didn't manage" "well we didn't really try" "o i see"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah some derp with a 1 satoshi commented tx
asciilifeform: bci is spam magnet, sure.
mircea_popescu: jesus this is easily the most batshit insane stuff i've seen this week.
mircea_popescu: "NYT: talented poor not choosing to attend good colleges"
mircea_popescu: "But if, as the Times reports, these students do not even know of the existence of better colleges in America, and they have absolutely no aspiration to attend any schools that are outside their local area, how smart and talented could they be? They appear to have very small horizongs and little knowledge of and little curiosity in the world. Don’t very smart people tend to have large horizons?. My guess is that the
mircea_popescu: Times is doing its usual rationalizations for the intellectual and other deficiencies of blacks. I did not read the entire article,but I’d say that it’s fair possibility that it ends up asserting that these students are culturally and geographically isolated by racial discrimination and by the lack of special federal programs that inform them of the existence of better schools. .The eternal top-priority project and
mircea_popescu: moral obligation of Liberal America (America 2.0)—at unlimited cost in societal effort, taxpayers’ money, and orchestrated white guilt—is to render blacks in general as functional as whites in general. And that will never happen. And no one who makes his living in mainstream America dare say it.."
mircea_popescu: but then, a commenter : "Daniel F. writes: I saw from Steve Sailer’s post on the same article that the low-income, high-aptitude cohort under discussion is 69 percent white and 15 percent Asian. So the large majority of the kids at issue are white."
mircea_popescu: so the response ? "Thanks for the correction. But I wonder if that information was in the Times article (which, again, I didn’t read the whole of and was only making a reasonable speculation on, based on past Timesean behavor), or only in the Sailer post."
Duffer1: i wonder if i have to report that one bitcent i got from a scamvertiser as income...
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 was 1 satoshi
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2014 00:00:23; asciilifeform: << highly relevant
Duffer1: i mean the one i got a while ago .0001
kakobrekla: Duffer1 return to sender.
assbot: Bitcoin Address 1MHKhfiC7AgZdErt9b8xkXbcKoWSxPjJgG
Duffer1: oh .00001 :/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1808 @ 0.00058297 = 1.054 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform someone actually said this derp is "the blogging career that stands out on the Internet and in the history of American letters as a tour de force of philosophical and cultural insight". because epistula non erubescit or some shit.
assbot: Shots from a voyage pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: Heres the real reason iPhones are bending - MarketWatch
diametric: my sides hurt from laughter.
asciilifeform can probably identify the rest of them, too, but can't be bothered
diametric: This reads like an Onion article.
mircea_popescu: wow that guy still exists ?!
assbot: George Carlin - Things You Never See - YouTube
rithm: #bendgazi
asciilifeform turns around, looks at shelf
asciilifeform: damn it
asciilifeform: it's the same book, different edition!
mircea_popescu: you're too escitable :)
asciilifeform: the light switch is soviet SOP, though.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: friend's house ?
mircea_popescu: nah just some woman
asciilifeform: she grows a 'grade A' microjaguar.
mircea_popescu: riverside. i think they pretty much grow themselves.
mircea_popescu: !up Decima|
asciilifeform: << for other wretched n00bs in my situation
assbot: Tramming a Mill
asciilifeform: ^ pictured is 'adult' machine, but geometry is 'one for all of us, like victory.'
thestringpuller: bitpay is here
thestringpuller: they spend way too much money on swag
RagnarDanneskjol: mod6 - P2Pool comes with a json api embedded. returns a json string that has the pool information. does this fit requirements for teh bot?
thestringpuller: 3 key factors in a hot wallet
thestringpuller: * Ability to easily make purchases/transactions
thestringpuller: * Security
thestringpuller: the latter one should be #1
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00075375 = 16.0549 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ^
kakobrekla: bb is configured to only take a very small part of server resources atm.
kakobrekla: so you can knock it down easier i guess.
kakobrekla: if you are after http server
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.00075375 = 4.8617 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 98 @ 0.14235895 = 13.9512 BTC [-] {23}
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla in any case 100 hits/second is pretty heavy.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3177 @ 0.00075422 = 2.3962 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7273 @ 0.00075424 = 5.4856 BTC [+]
assbot: Archipelago and Atomic Communitarianism | Slate Star Codex
mircea_popescu: it seems i say that a lot these days.
thestringpuller: the bitpay people seem relatively sane
bounce: sanity as currency. distilled and captured in shiny coins.
mircea_popescu: idiocy'd be more abundant.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18050 @ 0.00075424 = 13.614 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform << decent example of the moldavian exploitation of russian.
assbot: Mnnc i plng. Plng i mnnc…btaie…
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.0007527 = 4.2151 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: "bărbații discutau despre zapceasti, porșni, zadnii hod și zajiganie" <> "the men were talking of запчасти, поршни, задний ход and зажигание." etc
mircea_popescu: i've been tellin' you, but tellin' is one thing and showing another
asciilifeform: then again, the blather of, e.g., a russian programmer, probably sounds rather similar to this - to english speaker
asciilifeform: 'soviet informatik' terminology like цикл (cycle) for 'loop' is, afaik, only remembered by the older folks who came of age on '70s-'80s books
asciilifeform: (or apprenticed, prior)
mircea_popescu: cycle happens to be a bad word for loop.
asciilifeform: why? cyclical flow graph.
mircea_popescu: because cycle has this connotation of immutability, whereas loop is adequately derpy.
dignork: asciilifeform: цикл it is, how is it called nowadays?
asciilifeform has heard various angloabominations
dignork: луп? sounds funny
mircea_popescu: lup ftw :D
mircea_popescu: (wolf, in romanian)
dignork: because залупа, лупоглазый etc.
asciilifeform: the kind homo homini x est ?
mircea_popescu: zalupa hahaha
mircea_popescu: i tell you, it's perfect.
asciilifeform grumbles at having purchased a 'dial indicator' instead of a 'dial test indicator' - entirely different animals
kakobrekla: at least you didnt get a plant.
pete_dushenski: unless it was nuclear.
pete_dushenski: nuless it was unclear.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: the question that almost begs to be asked is whether haakon (cortez, whoever) would immediately seize upon modern tech as being the product of long-dead wizards, as it is. << any books to recommend on cortez?
pete_dushenski: and entirely unrelatably, venice?
pete_dushenski hungry for history books
assbot: Rating Details for User 'Pierre_Rochard'
pete_dushenski: ;;lastseen pierre_rochard
gribble: Error: "lastseen" is not a valid command.
pete_dushenski: ;;seen pierre_rochard
gribble: pierre_rochard was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 8 weeks, 6 days, 0 hours, 44 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <Pierre_Rochard> mircea_popescu: ah, well I’ll myself out then
mats_cd03: << i have been enjoying this recently. re: BeOS, but a decent primer on how file systems work, too.
pete_dushenski: duty calls, hasta manana.
thestringpuller: thanks pete hopefully you see this in the log
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1725 @ 0.00075193 = 1.2971 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: lmao thios guy.
BingoBoingo: !s woodchipper fan fiction
assbot: 0 results for 'woodchipper fan fiction' :
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski lord norwich is the english authority on venice
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: le origini di venezia etc for italian speakers.
assbot: What the Fuck is a Hashlet? | Bingo Blog
mircea_popescu: "Fluffypony, mircea popescu's asslicking troll buddy, watch out for these disinformation merchants also"
mircea_popescu: dude wut
fluffypony: wait wut
fluffypony: where's that from
mircea_popescu: our sustained pr campaign for a second
mircea_popescu: don't pretend like you don't know.
assbot: The Truth About Monero's Risto Pietila (rpietila XMR)
fluffypony: oh shit I didn't even see that
fluffypony: I had no idea you were all-in on Monero
mircea_popescu: i have no idea what monero even is.
mircea_popescu: so technically spewaking i'm all out.
mircea_popescu: !s monero
kakobrekla: busted
kakobrekla: you dont read logs.
mats_cd03: 20:08:34 <+fluffypony> I had no idea you were all-in on Monero
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2014 14:10:58; mircea_popescu: hey fluffypony do you plan to eventually sell the monero idea here once it reaches some sort of maturity or do you just plan to wait indefinitely for b-a to figure it out ?
mats_cd03: 20:08:59 <+mircea_popescu> i have no idea what monero even is.
mats_cd03: i loled.
assbot: Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. ( )
fluffypony: !bash 7
mod6: RagnarDanneskjol: yeah, I noticed that. I'll work on it.
mircea_popescu: ;;isdown
gribble: Error: "isdown" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: ;;isitdown
gribble: is up
mircea_popescu: moar dosing!
assbot: The Monero Free For All Thread
fluffypony: this entire "attack" has been such a fail
fluffypony: BCX sucks
fluffypony: I was hopign for fireworks
fluffypony: I was TOLD there would be fireworks
fluffypony: and literally all we did was roll a couple of extra checkpoints just in case, and asked exchanges to suspend deposits / withdrawals on the presumption of fireworks
fluffypony: waste of a good shit-show if you ask me
fluffypony: also can I get hanbot for our "sustained paid PR campaign" ?
xmj: g'morning
xmj: fluffypony: how are your monero port efforts doing?
fluffypony: xmj: good, FreeBSD compataibility is being mainained
xmj: fluffypony: cool :)
mircea_popescu: i thought she was banned.
mircea_popescu: anyway, what is bcx
xmj: ever found a minion to create+submit a port for it that we could commit?
fluffypony: xmj: not yet, it's on the list
xmj: :)
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: BitcoinExpress
mircea_popescu: BitCoin-Express Basic. Unlimited Data Space Unlimited Monthly Traffic 1 Domain Hosted Free VPN Access (5 GB) Browsable Daily Backups
fluffypony: an overview
assbot: BitcoinEXpress - self made legend?
mircea_popescu: dude all these ephemereal legends nobody heard of, nobody'll hear of.
fluffypony: where is the "fluffypony - a legend's legend?" forum post
fluffypony: I am disappoint
mircea_popescu: " his crypto skills ". where puas move on
mircea_popescu: basically tardstalk is by now goons trolling goons.
fluffypony: yeah bitcointalk has gone way past eternal September
fluffypony: and entered full on scamforums mode
fluffypony: ok I'm out, cheers
mod6: %p
atcbot: >> No data returned from << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.39 TH/s
mod6: %p2p
atcbot: [P2P Hashrate]: 1.39 TH/s
mod6: %ispace
atcbot: [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s
mod6: RagnarDanneskjol: ok, all set.
mod6: If another month goes by without any coinminer data, i'll just pull it.
mircea_popescu: sounds legit.
mod6: Just sick of seeing it without data. heheh.
mod6: oh, and RagnarDanneskjol, if you see that P2P pool changes its name to something else, let me know. thanks!
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decimation: asciilifeform: I watched the Kalman Reti smbx video, got a flavor of the unqiueness of symbolics hardware
BingoBoingo: That was a good one
decimation: what intrigued me was the mention of the vlsi design software that was written in lisp
assbot: ESPN Suspends Bill Simmons Three Weeks Over Goodell Criticism
mircea_popescu: they're suspending these people now for what they SAY ?!
mircea_popescu: don't even have to do anywthing ?
mircea_popescu: a nm thought it
mircea_popescu: s some athlete
assbot: BitBet - Alibaba shares above 115 before November 25th :: 0.08 B (47%) on Yes, 0.09 B (53%) on No | closing in 1 month 3 weeks | weight: 92`819 (100`000 to 1)
assbot: Bitcoin Address 1BR82MnZ2XdYM1R7Csdg9oaaoz3qEbW3S2
assbot: BitBet - Billion dollar bet? :: 1.01 B (15%) on Yes, 5.72 B (85%) on No | closing in 5 months 1 week| weight: 96`757 (100`000 to 1)
assbot: Do gut bacteria rule our minds? | University of California
peterl: is it more likely that 2 million bitcoins will be bet on that bet or that the price of bitcoin will rise 1000x?
thestringpuller: damn that would be a phenomenon of sorts
thestringpuller: if the billion dollar bet resolves yes
thestringpuller: the b-h will 99% likely resolve yes too
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Not an athlete, a reporter. Suspended for... Gasp... Reporting!!!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HASH] 1000 @ 0.00149131 = 1.4913 BTC [+] {6}
cazalla: lol paypal increasing charge back period from 45 days to 180
cazalla: so now cheeky cunts can mine for 180 days and send it back for refund
ben_vulpes: <decimation> what intrigued me was the mention of the vlsi design software that was written in lisp << me too. has the source been lost?
decimation: that was my question. the follow-up question being: does the vlsi design exist (presumably in vhdl)?
mircea_popescu: peterl good q.
mircea_popescu: day of the good q's
peterl: I suppose the billion dollar bet could hit yes if btc/usd price and amount bet each go up ~30x
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.00075321 = 16.4953 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: a bet that was at 3k 6months out could conceivably end up in the 5-6 figures.
mircea_popescu: esp if there's an upset
decimation: really the bet is brillant pr. media idiots love far-off artificial deadlines with artificial drama
mircea_popescu: not much love shown so far.
BingoBoingo: The berkshire bet coul break 10k btc easily if BTC hits $700 in three months
decimation: if the scenario that peterl proposes comes remotely true, I suspect it will get love
mircea_popescu: now this im sure
mircea_popescu: that's the thing, by now the action there is fabulous
BingoBoingo: Fuck, there's still time for to get interesting which could really drive up the Berkshire pot
assbot: BitBet - 1BTC >= $10,000 USD :: 75 B (9%) on Yes, 755.29 B (91%) on No | closing in 1 month 3 weeks | weight: 15`525 (100`000 to 1)
mircea_popescu: if that yeses out... o boy.
mircea_popescu: someone stands to make a cool mn or somethign.
BingoBoingo: How quick did shit spike up last fall
mircea_popescu: two weeks!
BingoBoingo: Right. While $600 to $400 this years was what... one, two months? It Bitcoin the falls are long and labored, but the rallies...
mircea_popescu: this is perhaps the only point of technical analysis with any merit.
TheNewDeal: Drops happen fast as well?
TheNewDeal: Same with rebounds
peterl: so to get yes on brk-a bet, at this point btc would have to get over 666 usd, that doesn't seem that high yet bitbet is favoring no
mircea_popescu: peterl there's a latency. heavy no bets came in this week, perhaps not balanced oyut yet
TheNewDeal: like december 18th 2013
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal hm.
BingoBoingo: <TheNewDeal> Drops happen fast as well? << Only really drops fast after decisive peaks
mircea_popescu: this is why it's ta :D
TheNewDeal: Feb 9th 2014 wasn't after a peak
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Maybe we measure time differently...
peterl: my tea leaves are saying RALLY!!!
TheNewDeal: Definitely. I'm a new comer
TheNewDeal: And bitcoin years are like the hypothetical dog years
BingoBoingo: I mean last fall was the anomalie in that it has a rally whereas 2011 and 2012... stagnation...
TheNewDeal: Wasn't 2011 a large increase year?
BingoBoingo: It was for a while...
TheNewDeal: when did the btc / usd ratio go > 1 ?
BingoBoingo: And interesting question, right before it dropped to 0.7
decimation: as I recall it was the summer of 2011
TheNewDeal: Wasn't sure if it went 10 / 1 in the same year, or if that was the next.
TheNewDeal: ;;timesincebitcoinwas10usd
gribble: Error: "timesincebitcoinwas10usd" is not a valid command.
xmj: TheNewDeal: 3 years
assbot: An Illustrated History Of Bitcoin Crashes - Forbes
TheNewDeal: So it did cross 1:1 and 10:1 in 2011. I'd say that's an up year
BingoBoingo: Well, really it was probably the first year
TheNewDeal: Is that the year mt gox switched over from Magic the Gathering cards ;)
BingoBoingo: Good question
TheNewDeal: Just rapid-fired like 20 questions. Feel free to ignore them
BingoBoingo: Not ignoring so much as distracted, and the Google is a thing
asciilifeform: decimation: vlsi design software << yes, it was. and they actually... used it.
asciilifeform: decimation: i asked dan schmidt whether he'd sell it - he answered that he won't, it's in some kind of eternal legal limbo (sub-licensed somewhere, or the like.)
decimation: asciilifeform: reminds me of chuck moore writing his own vlsi design in forth
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: practical-file-system-design << old favourite of mine.
decimation: it would be interesting if some rich prince 'rescued' the symbolics assets just for shits
TheNewDeal: ;;later tell ThickAsThieves any response on that foia yet?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: decimation: does the vlsi design exist (presumably in vhdl) << afaik it was lisp from day 1 (mit cadr was hand-drawn, after that - 'ourobourus'-like tail-eating iterative design...)
decimation: like, it produced a netlist?
asciilifeform: decimation: netlist << nope. the actual masks, ready for tapeout.
asciilifeform: (naturally, netlist first, etc)
decimation: that is impressive.
decimation: I remember when beos was a thing, raging fast, low latency. too bad it petered out
asciilifeform: very few of these things feel 'impressive' after you learn just how intrinsically simple all of our tech stack is
asciilifeform: when you strip away the crapolade.
decimation: I guess I'm thinking "must recreate xilinux crapware, mentor graphics crapware, & various glue code"
decimation: but much of that stuff is redundant
asciilifeform: all of it.
asciilifeform: the only thing intrinsically necessary is a compact way to tell the photomask printer what to do...
decimation: unfortunately, unless one is going mask one's own chips, we are stuck with fgpa's and rtl
asciilifeform just emerged from ~4 hrs of lathe work, does in fact appreciate the difficulty of apparently simple things. but the extant computing stack - is still a pile of shit.
TheNewDeal: what where you lathing?
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: approximately the gadget pictured here:
assbot: Piston Pump, positive displacement pump
asciilifeform: (only the pieces with the red flow diagram depicted)
decimation: heh, you gonna make a pump for solder paste?
asciilifeform: more or less obvious from the link, no ?
decimation: yep. what about the little micro-screw-needle
asciilifeform: the business end?
asciilifeform: that's the single solitary part that's actually readily available off the shelf, a dime a dozen.
decimation: no the auger valve you wrote about a few months ago
asciilifeform: at chinese factories, they go through astounding quantities of such needles when dispensing glue - hence cheap.
assbot: Logged on 23-07-2014 03:10:06; asciilifeform: state of the art, it turns out, is 'auger valve' - think: small archimedes screw.
asciilifeform: auger valve is in some ways a nicer design
asciilifeform: but quite difficult to achieve given the tolerances of a cheap desktop non-cnc lathe.
decimation: yeah makes sense
decimation: so you are going to build a 'better' glue squirter
asciilifeform: and yes all of this could theoretically be bought.
asciilifeform: but - golden toilet.
decimation: yeah I understand.
asciilifeform: 'better' in the sense that 1) it easily beats the controlled-air-puff dispenser i was using previously, which is almost unusably inaccurate and,
asciilifeform: 2) can be had. really nice things exist, are used in 'adult' factories - but cannot be had.
decimation: So if you can control the fine pump pressure dynamically you might be able to prevent the 'drool' problem
asciilifeform: 'positive displacement' here means, easily, that no more turd can emerge from the needle than is actually inside the needle
asciilifeform: as a theoretical maximum
asciilifeform: ('rabbit can be pulled out of hat only to the extent said rabbit is actually in the hat.'
asciilifeform: no need to control pressure to any great extent, that's the whole fscking point of pos. disp. pumps.
asciilifeform: just need enough air pressure in syringe to keep the paste flowing into the work chamber on the piston's up-stroke.
asciilifeform: (but not so much that it is able to overcome the needle.)
decimation: yeah I guess there is no air in the chamber, so it's all incompressible
asciilifeform: correct.
asciilifeform: (there are circumstances where air can mix with the paste, but i will not describe them here - we've already put everyone to sleep.)
BingoBoingo is far from asleep
decimation: looks to me that a likely leakage path would be the upstroke phase - air could leak around the piston
TheNewDeal: may have just fixed my dial indicator. Feel like I working in a chinese sweatshop for the last half hour
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: what was the occasion for dial indicator ?
nubbins`: odd coincidence, my dial test indicator showed up today
TheNewDeal: use them for a few things at work. One is to make sure that gears are meshed well enough
asciilifeform: nubbins`: odd coincidence, i ordered one today
asciilifeform: (previously had only 'dial indicator')
nubbins`: read that earlier, i have no dial test indicator ;(
asciilifeform: it'll be - an ancient 'mitutoyo'
asciilifeform: i keep waiting for someone here to suggest 'use peristaltic pump'
asciilifeform: (then i'd have to explain how this doesn't work, sadly, and for nonobvious reason)
decimation: is it because it would smash the solder balls?
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: Feel like I working in a chinese sweatshop for the last half hour << i am glad to learn that i am not the only one who ended up constructing his own personal chinese sweatshop to toil in...
asciilifeform: it would smash the solder balls << nope. the standard methods (auger and piston) actually do. and this limits the life of the apparatus (smashed balls end up adhering to the inside bores.)
TheNewDeal: hahaha I hardly constructed one. Just borrowed a tiny screwdriver from the tools that ship with the machine
asciilifeform: problem with peristaltic is that it operates in bursts (one 'squeeze') which always end up too long.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> (then i'd have to explain how this doesn't work, sadly, and for nonobvious reason) << it could work if instead you went for living fabrication machines as the Flinstones did.
decimation: couldn't you construct a really tiny paristaltic pump?
asciilifeform: decimation: you can, but you get odd behaviour - considering that you aren't pumping a fluid in the usual sense
asciilifeform: but a suspension of metal balls.
decimation: yeah I suspect as the ID of the tube approaches the size of the balls weird stuff would happen
asciilifeform: peristaltic pump also stretches the tube if the business end is clogged (as it inevitably becomes)
asciilifeform: weird stuff happens in all of the listed designs. it's a problem to which there isn't really a fully satisfactory solution.
asciilifeform: (solder paste in 'adult' industry is simply never pumped. they use stencils, afaik.)
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> peristaltic pump also stretches the tube if the business end is clogged (as it inevitably becomes) << In the prototypical models Magnesium citrate tends to clear this well.
decimation: yeah I was reading about how they ditched laser cut designs for photoetching
decimation: for stencils that is
decimation: << watch the annoying australian run his design on an 'adult' assembly line, with solder paste, pick n' place and oven
assbot: EEVblog #264 - SMD PCB Pick & Place Machine Assembly - YouTube
decimation: it's amusing that the solder paste machine is pretty much just a giant squeegee, but all dressed up
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