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Adlai: the hilarious thing is how enforcement of a safety regulation is inversely proportional to how likely it is to be necessary for the current situation
Adlai: so you get lots of great rules, but only the most tedious and irrelevant ones are actually enforced
Adlai: causing soldiers who don't understand the background behind any of it to believe all the rules are uniformly irrelevant
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mircea_popescu: Adlai i dunno, ask carlin eh
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Adlai: y u mek me cry
mircea_popescu: and what's an example of a great rule ?
Adlai: wearing fireproof gloves when handling AFV engine innards
Adlai: but you're also supposed to wear them for pretty much everything else you do, and you only get called out on not wearing them when higher-ups can actually see your hands, ie, not when it's actually important to wear them
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mircea_popescu: i doubt that's such a great rule.
mircea_popescu: why would there be fire coming out of the engine ?
Adlai: there shouldn't be, but it can get hot enough to burn your hands, and stays that hot for longer than the average soldier would expect
mircea_popescu: isn't it actually bad for the parts to work on them while too hot to touch ?
mircea_popescu: as in, tigthen a screw, once it cools it's screwed ?
Adlai: i've never seen anybody do that level of work on a hot engine, usually it's just things like oil checking
mircea_popescu: that's visual inspection ne ?
Adlai: there's even one oil check that's supposed to be done while the engine is running although nobody ever did that
mircea_popescu: they don't still use the retractable thinger do they ?
Adlai: yes, m113 engine has those
mircea_popescu: better safety rule... put some damned electronics on the engine block
Adlai: you pull it out, wipe it clean, put it back in, pull it out again, find a light source, see that the oil smeared all over while you were carrying it, wipe it off, etc
Adlai: some of these fuckers are over 50 years old
mircea_popescu: anyway, people doing fine movements generally don't want to wear gloves because bulky and unwieldy
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> well there's always a cab in ny...
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> they can move to usa and massage machines, yes. << bashed
Adlai: of course, people hate wearing these gloves
Adlai: a better safety rule would only require them during the actually dangerous operations
Adlai: but it would probably be ignored since "ALWAYS WEAR THEM" is much easier to enforce for stupid supervisors
mircea_popescu: see, when i think great safety rule i think things like "don't place your heaviest pans highest in your kitchen"
mircea_popescu: costs you just as much to put them there as anywhere else
mircea_popescu: but you WILL get a bump or two if you break it
Adlai: don't ask me about kitchen safety, i nearly burned my house down yesterday
ben_vulpes: not that you get the energy back from putting them up high...
Adlai: at least i had the good sense not to throw water on the burning oil O_o
mircea_popescu: or rub it all over your butt
mircea_popescu: incidentally, this guy married the hottest chick i ever saw. like 19 too, some hick chick.
mircea_popescu: she spent the honeymoon in the hospital because she rendered some fat, and then poured in a large, thick glass container
mircea_popescu: which cracked and spilled all over her
mircea_popescu: doctor spent like three hours extracting hot oil and glass shards from her crack and legs
Adlai: how do you even find all the shards in a case like that
ben_vulpes: ain't no training going to fix that kind of stupid
mircea_popescu: they have a special thingee
mircea_popescu: refraction something or the other
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes she was the fucking stereotipical dumb hottie.
ben_vulpes: refract through thigh flesh?
ben_vulpes: color me unconvinced.
Adlai: well you could train people to just not cook at home, either eat out or order takeaway
Adlai: we can draw the line at microwaving leftovers
ben_vulpes: no no you train them to cook *for* you.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes if you put a high powered flashlight against your palm you'll see some light go through a mm or two
Adlai: sounds like that's what she was trying to do
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: ever read ringworld?
mircea_popescu: dun think so
ben_vulpes: one of the more entertaining devices is the human "birth lotto"
ben_vulpes: this leads to a breeding of the populace for luck
ben_vulpes: book features an extraordinarily clumsy girl who is also extremely lucky.
ben_vulpes: hijinks ensue.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: three hours extracting hot oil and glass shards from her crack and legs << try this on for size:
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mircea_popescu: nod a bad premise
mircea_popescu: lol assbot has it eh
ben_vulpes: niven yo
ben_vulpes: known for the "not a bad premise" book
ben_vulpes: see also "mote in gods eye" "gripping hand"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes anyway, she was just... i dunno, her bubble was neverendingly shockingly short. you could rarely predict what she won't foresee
ben_vulpes: sounds like fun, at a distance, and on someone else's bill.
mircea_popescu: my thoughts exactly.
ben_vulpes: i'm content with being the dish-breaker and singer of things around these parts.
ben_vulpes: the office has dubbed me the {{oaf,hulk}}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform оклематься ?
ben_vulpes: refrain is: "BEN SMASH"
mircea_popescu: ben smash, ben hurr, ben derp!
ben_vulpes: half the time it's entirely on purpose, as the thing was never built for use outside delicate programmer hands.
decimation: mircea_popescu: in the us all of the old 'glass cookware' that used to be made of borosilicate has been switched to plate glass
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ~= 'shake it off'
ben_vulpes: decimation: and not just plate, but pre-stressed plate!
mircea_popescu: decimation uh... why ?
ben_vulpes: decimation: so as to not just crack when over-stressed, but to rupture catastrophically!
mircea_popescu: anyway, this device would have been fine, if she knew how to pour
Adlai: more efficient selection against stupidity?
mircea_popescu: Из полузапретных катакомб, ahahha wtf.
decimation: because it's cheaper and supposedly 'shatters better' when dropped
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decimation: it's another example of hidden inflation
ben_vulpes: 'cept that pyrex doesn't shatter when dropped.
mircea_popescu: << check this ecommerce site.
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mircea_popescu: decimation what the fuck jesus.
decimation: "As a result, the drug trade needed to find another way to obtain borosilicate glass. The unintended consequence of World Kitchen’s switch? An uptick in theft from an unlikely place. As PopSci so eloquently notes, “[the crack-making] industry was forced to switch from measuring cups purchased at Walmart to test tubes and beakers stolen from labs.”"
ben_vulpes misses the good stuff
ben_vulpes: ahhhh-merica.
Adlai loves the taxis in NYC tho
ben_vulpes: good god how
ben_vulpes: how can one love anything about nyc
ben_vulpes: actually no hang on
ben_vulpes: the great wall of garbage once per week was pretty cool
Adlai: getting locked into the cab until you pay
ben_vulpes: also the giant wall of black slush during snowfalls
Adlai: junkie-proof walls keeping the cabbie secure
Adlai: what's not to love
ben_vulpes: that shoe store on 14th is p cool
decimation: one wonders if usg didn't pressure corning as part of the 'war on useful objects' err 'war on drugs'
ben_vulpes: but the 'choclatier' next door was always the wackness
mircea_popescu: basically in another decade the us will be like africa.
decimation: why do you need a 'tour' to pub crawl?
ben_vulpes: will be?
mircea_popescu: "sure we have very good everything here sir, made of straw, good quality top notch"
ben_vulpes: portland already wants me to sort my compostables for them
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> how can one love anything about nyc << i love the taxis there too
mircea_popescu: haven't been since like 2003, but anyway.
ben_vulpes: i mean you pay them, they go places, it's a simple exchange
ben_vulpes: but love?
ben_vulpes: that's a bit strong
mircea_popescu: ever told you about my find a hotel adventure ?
ben_vulpes: noooo
mircea_popescu: i take a cab out of grand central, tell the kid i want a hotel, kinda close and not too expensive
mircea_popescu: he takes me to a hotel like ten blocks away, costs me 100 a night. nice room and everything.
mircea_popescu: black kid, too.
Adlai: mircea_popescu: you should see the touchscreen computers they have now to keep passengers from yakking at the cabbies, complete with a GPS map of your path through the city... almost feels like an airplane
ben_vulpes: pfwat
Adlai: pfyes
ben_vulpes: 100/D in nyc?
ben_vulpes: not you, Adlai
mircea_popescu: whole thing took ten minutes, that guy probably did more for me than half the gradschool educated people i ever employed, on a percentile basis
Adlai: FINE
ben_vulpes: i'm familiar with those too, Adlai
mircea_popescu: Adlai but i like talking to the cabbies.
ben_vulpes: the NYC version is really awesome, what with rebooting into "LOUD MODE"
ben_vulpes: in pdx that shit starts up muted
ben_vulpes: you can even derp your card in before the trip ends to expedite egress from vehicle
mircea_popescu: ifucking hate lcds in neckrests.
mircea_popescu: and i wouldn't poay with a card wtf.
Adlai: mircea_popescu: actually the one cabbie i had an heart2heart with tracked us down ten minutes later to return my friend's iphone whateverthelatestis
ben_vulpes: and we have a functioning economy, so cabbies don't lock the door
ben_vulpes: actually i should say
ben_vulpes: i have a healthy relationship with my cab co's and they don't lock the door on me
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: bad bezzlar!
decimation: London cabbies are amusing too. I remember one bitching about Pikeys squatting on some farmer's land and appealing to the EU court of human rights
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you know what ? i have never used a cc at a pos. ever.
Adlai: he was really nice considering my friend's dog got cabsick all over the backseat
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: and i've not carried cash routinely since i stopped doing that thing that entailed always carrying cash. so?
mircea_popescu: fuck that, i'd rather go naked.
ben_vulpes: roll with cash in the states, get robbed by cops.
mircea_popescu: man must always carry enough cash to bribe a first instance judge
mircea_popescu: you never know.
asciilifeform: or even by ordinary robbers
decimation: ben_vulpes: how quickly do you think people in the us would start using cash if suddenly say the FDIC went away?
asciilifeform: (in usa, stolen cc is usually a non-issue, max liability is ~500 usd by statute)
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mircea_popescu: decimation i think he may have a point with the cop robbery
ben_vulpes: decimation: more likely to run a tab with your local providers, as I do.
decimation: yeah that's how they did it in 'frontier times'
ben_vulpes: actually mircea_popescu this is why i don't carry cash. all of my local providers know who i am and extend me credit at my request.
decimation: go to local store, run a tab, owner knows where you live..
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes suppose you meet a super hot chick.
mircea_popescu: ask her for credit too ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: how do you settle the tabs? sacks of gold, delivered on mules?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he does rockets.
mircea_popescu: wednesday evening, goes on balcony, starts firing
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: nah, she asks me for credit
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: pay with cash, get discount as merchants don't report cash intake and don't pay cc processing fees.
asciilifeform: all of my local providers know who i am and extend me credit at my request << this must be some other usa i've never been to
ben_vulpes: ofc i have to book the withdrawal as "profit", but...
mircea_popescu: you're exactly like a fucking mobster.
asciilifeform: or the planet from eric frank russel's 'and then there were none' tale
decimation: I've settled a few 'ebay' transactions where the tax was 'forgiven' if paid in cash
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: high praise, not deserving
ben_vulpes: i know a few tricks, that's about all.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i had this grocery store owner (african woman) that actually imported shit at my request. and delivered it, too.
mircea_popescu: it's possible, just gotta not live in wa-shit-ton i guess
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: you live in the heart of the beast. i live in the heart of cascadia. our worlds are light years apart.
asciilifeform: in nyc?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mass
decimation: "the hills are high and the emperor is far away"
asciilifeform: actually i have reasons to suspect that there are closed communities of people living approximately like people, even here
asciilifeform: but membership is generally by birth.
decimation: asciilifeform: I'm sure there are. In NYC the famous example is the jews
mircea_popescu: yeah but you don't like the sewers
ben_vulpes: quite literally, decimation. our hill is so high that our water supply flows from it.
ben_vulpes: ;;google bull run
gribble: First Battle of Bull Run - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; The Battle of Bull Run Summary & Facts | <>; Bullrun: <>
ben_vulpes: ah, fy google
ben_vulpes: ;;google bull run reservoir
gribble: Bull Run River (Oregon) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Bull Run Watershed | The City of Portland, Oregon: <>; Portland's Water System | The City of Portland, Oregon: <>
ben_vulpes: watershed, dorp.
decimation: ;;google nyc jew bus
gribble: Vamoose Bus - NYC | Maryland | Virginia: <>; Bus Segregation of Jewish Women Prompts Review - <>; Women Riding Brooklyn's B110 Bus Told To Sit In The Back ...: <>
ben_vulpes: anyways, sleep beckons and i gotta be on point for the boys next week.
ben_vulpes: leadership, as they say, starts at 6.
asciilifeform: idleness is on duty 24/7!
Adlai: lazyness waits for everybody
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mircea_popescu: !up indiancandy1
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mircea_popescu: "Fuck yes we can. I have student loan debt. Am I going to pay it ? Nope. Not ever. Over my dead fucking body will they get a penny from me.
mircea_popescu: Why? Because I don't want to fund the evil banksters who prey on impressionable young 18 year olds who don't know jack shit about the world, 18-year olds who are pressured by society into college they can't afford."
mircea_popescu: lol this is going to end well
TheNewDeal: has to be a usian, amiright?
decimation: sounds like the people who just stop paying taxes, irs comes, gasenwagen, gulag
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decimation: heh the next post: "Huh? You had a choice to go to uni and further your education. Be a man and stand by your decisions. "
pete_dushenski: good evening b-a
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pete_dushenski: congrats be to cazalla BingoBoingo and mircea_popescu for the qntra announcement!
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal yep
mircea_popescu: decimation not so. usually it takes about 10 years
mircea_popescu: IF you have a lot of money.
cazalla: pete_dushenski, ty
mircea_popescu: most poor people get that added benefit, thatthey can just forego the irs altogether
decimation: mircea_popescu: yeah if you have a semi-competent tax lawyer you can probably avoid jail, just pay the fine
mircea_popescu: ;;rated cazalla
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pete_dushenski: the mpex-qntra relationship is quite the crafty little construction. puts other efforts to shame.
mircea_popescu: decimation the thing is they work on a per dollar basis. if there's nothing to steal they can't afford to prosecute you.
decimation: for poor people in the us, taxes pay you
pete_dushenski: though the only other effort that comes to mind is that of ltb (andreas' first home) with their broke back counterparty baloney. so not much comp but...
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gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: where is that quote from? "Fuck yes we can...."
pete_dushenski: oh and my apologies for the penguirker spam earlier. i was changing hosting plans and had to rejigger the whole meal deal.
mircea_popescu: decimation linked it above
pete_dushenski: the upside is now i have an avatar for commenting on other blogs and that contravex has a snazzy new recent comments sidebar.
mircea_popescu: good for you!
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i had actually read that qntra "pending announcement" bit in the logs, though meanwhile forgotten. in my defense, you never mentioned much in the way of terms or wtf you were even alluding to :D
pete_dushenski: o and contravex's footnotes now have the proper indentation so you can now see all the roman numerals :)
decimation: pete_dushenski: what blogging system do you use?
pete_dushenski: wordpress
pete_dushenski: unfortunately the switch over meant some updates (spit) and whatnot
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski sent you a pingback. fix the hole will you.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i'm on it.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you too.
mircea_popescu: who else is running wp blogs ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: which contravex article did you ping?
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Adlai: kakobrekla: so you like lisp?
Adlai: try writing the shortest possible quine in ansi cl. if you want to check the answer, it was just in #lisp and there are public logs, but try yourself before you check.
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mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski your latest.
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assbot: O hai let me wanna-be! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: The Six Pillars For Surviving in Computer Times | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
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thickasthieves: ;;ticker
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Adlai: any o yall believe trustless currency via proof of work was invented as a tool for tracking rather than liberation?
Adlai: (when phrased this way it does make me consider that conspiracy a lot less likely)
xanthyos: oh wow davidlatapie at first glance i thought you might be davidldubuc
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xanthyos: it's amazing how often i get threatened by someone caught speechless in the onslaught of my verbal abuse with a gun.
xanthyos: like they've gotten so worked up they forgot the nature of the internet.
xanthyos: please shoot my image.
wyrdmantis: with a gun?
xanthyos: they threaten to kill me, i've had automatic weapons pulled angrily
xanthyos: and pointed at webcams
wyrdmantis: lol unbelievable
xanthyos: it's the go-to solution
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wyrdmantis: any fresh news on the "bitcoin regulation" front?
Adlai: last i checked the network is properly regulating mining fees and preventing double spends, so i'd say it's going well!
wyrdmantis: yeah Adlai, i'm referring to the lawyer's trying to put out a legal framework, and such nonsense, for the sake of knowing :)
fluffypony: which country? South Africa doesn't seem to give a crap.
wyrdmantis: Russia for example
wyrdmantis: but i think no fresh news
Adlai: how fresh is fresh? only heard this one last week:
assbot: - Federal Council publishes report on virtual currencies such as bitcoin
wyrdmantis: fresh as you like :D Thanks a lot Adlai!
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jurov catches s.qntr mention in the lawgs
jurov scrolls frantically
jurov: s.qntr added to coinbr
cazalla: was bitbet the first to use no account betting?
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thestringpuller: cazalla no
thestringpuller: there was another but wasn't trustworthy for sports betting long ago
thestringpuller: like 2012?
cazalla: well, qntra is inaccessible
RagnarDanneskjol: oh no - too much attention
RagnarDanneskjol: now the whole world's watching
cazalla: its getting the fuck pingbacked out of it
cazalla: WordPress/3.8.4;; verifying pingback from
cazalla: WordPress/4.0;; verifying pingback from etc etc
cazalla: for reference, looks like that same dude who did pingback spam to trilema, at least i'm guessing
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cazalla: well, i had an article to post but this fuck continues to dos the site so i guess i'll get some sleep
cazalla: i know ya in here, ya fuck
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Adlai manages to load after a while of waiting
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jurov: <Adlai> and yes, it's fair to say that i was "mistreated" by never having to work for money until i stopped accepting my parents' charity << this is patently false
jurov: i was getting disability pension since 15 and study at uni was free
jurov: despite that, i started working during studies
Adlai: why is what i said false though? you don't know me!
jurov: as sysadmin in small company (i explicitly avioded big business and its bureaucracy)
Adlai is a special snowflake
Adlai: ★
jurov: lol Adlai if parents threw you at 18 onto the street
jurov: you'd say you were mistreated, either
Adlai: flatmate had to work for spending money his entire life
Adlai: field trip lunch money, movies on weekends, etc
Adlai: he just had zero allowance his entire life
Adlai: his parents gave him food, shelter, and access to the crappiest indoctrination taxes can subsidize
Adlai: now he gets up in the morning every day to work because he does not rack dishiprin
jurov: rack what?
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jurov: um.. afaik usually people work because they won't have the discipline otherwise
kakobrekla: they just dont know better.
kakobrekla: i understood this pretty quickly so i never got employed.
Adlai: kakobrekla: quine!
kakobrekla: yes lisp. i recently started learning the thing thanks (or not?) to our resident mad scientist asciilifeform.
davout: ohai
kakobrekla: Adlai check up his blog if you havent yet.
Adlai hasn't yet, kakobrekla
assbot: Loper OS
Adlai: asciilifeform: /join #lisp
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ThickAsThieves: wall st bleeding
chetty: ThickAsThieves, Monday in Oct :)
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thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 383.94, Best ask: 383.98, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 383.94, 24 hour volume: 18703.97847566, 24 hour low: 358.56, 24 hour high: 388.0, 24 hour vwap: 375.509938976
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell mircea_popescu thedrinkingrecord and qntra should both be patched nao
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: mike_c: bitcoins first actuarial scientist
mike_c: do i get a plaque with that?
ThickAsThieves: organofcorti was first probly
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9470 @ 0.00073727 = 6.9819 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: i thought for a second it said "Do i get a plague with that"
ThickAsThieves: same thing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9242 @ 0.00073727 = 6.8138 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25938 @ 0.00074337 = 19.2815 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8688 @ 0.00074351 = 6.4596 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4962 @ 0.00074355 = 3.6895 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: god i love qntra
ThickAsThieves: almost as cool as vanads
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.15639117 BTC to 16`099 shares, 7183 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 0.78199184 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 68 satoshi per share
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13950 @ 0.00074288 = 10.3632 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: "Just wanted to let you know you should no longer have any issues with instant transactions through your Circle account. We apologize for the inconvenience and appreciate your patience and support."
mats_cd03: "Until the next time there's serious volatility."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 304 @ 0.12404455 = 37.7095 BTC [-] {30}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00074355 = 13.4583 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: pretty much
thestringpuller: volatility shouldn't be an issue if your liquidity pool is deep enough. does this mean they aren't operating with enough supply?
mats_cd03: what would you propose they do? continue operating at a fiat loss indefinitely?
thestringpuller: i thought bitcoin businesses shouldn't hold profit in fiat.
thestringpuller: so price disparity should be moot with a deep enough supply...
mats_cd03: they live in a different world than we do.
thestringpuller: so does my imaginary friend.
kakobrekla: what do they do?
kakobrekla: BingoBoingo maybe add a word about that?
kakobrekla: (cmon, more shares!)
mike_c: bingo gets, what, 1.4 shares per word? not bad.
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: updated
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 200 @ 0.09890927 = 19.7819 BTC [-] {23}
BingoBoingo: Also, small navigation improvement on Qntra, there are now geography categories attached to relevant posts. The Categories are the continents + Russia. Might make browsing for certain kinds of stories easier for people.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20262 @ 0.00074096 = 15.0133 BTC [-] {3}
Adlai is stuck without X after a borked reboot, but qntra looks alright in framebuffer w3m
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $260 before November :: 2.57 B (20%) on Yes, 10.18 B (80%) on No | closing in 6 hours 28 minutes | weight: 3`249 (100`000 to 1)
kakobrekla: some heavy shit.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00073464 = 10.285 BTC [-]
TheNewDeal: can't tell if you two are joking or are serious?
kakobrekla: thats the beauty of it.
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Adlai: holy shit, bitbet is painful in w3m
kakobrekla: is it?
kakobrekla: let see
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
assbot: dpaste: 3X9Y71M
Adlai: surprisingly painless to do that once you get familiar with tmux
devthedev: BingoBoingo: Are articles written by yourself of cazalla calculated into the "wordcount of qualified articles published"?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00073544 = 12.2083 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: devthedev: I am pretty sure they do.
mircea_popescu: Disappointingly, Matt brushed it off thus:
mircea_popescu: “This tradeoff in pingback’s design has been there for a decade now,” he said via email. “It’s seldom used outside of experimentation because it gets shut down by anti-spam providers like Akismet or web hosts when used at any scale, and there are cheaper, easier, and more effective ways to DDOS sites. That’s why no serious attacks (above 2gbps) use it.”
mircea_popescu: mullenweg is a total fucktard.
mircea_popescu: devthedev of course.
devthedev: Alright
mircea_popescu: Adlai what's that ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That's the fucktard's case for not fixing obvious hole?
mircea_popescu: have you ever heard anything pareil ?!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00073544 = 9.7078 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i have a good mind to ddos wordpress with it tbh.
Adlai: mircea_popescu: something bad happened to my graphics server so i'm stuck communicating with the world in text
mircea_popescu: Adlai it's pretty much designed to work fine in lynx
Adlai: bitbet or qntra?
mircea_popescu: i don't think qntra is designed to anything, just yet
BingoBoingo: Reading up on this the fixed a similar problem with trackbacks back in 2.8, I don't know why it would be their position to make a sharp edge like this the default when the push themselve to people looking for feather cushions.
mircea_popescu: total bs, they never fixed it
mircea_popescu: the bug affects the codebase all the way through, to the first introducton of xlmrpc back in 2004 or w/e
bounce: therefore, it must be a feature
mircea_popescu: they made in the interval about 10 different claims to "having fixed it"
mircea_popescu: the way wp codebase works is indicative of what naggum described, the problem of maggots wanting the status of coder and so writing code for the sake of being coders.
mircea_popescu: it's also a glimpse into bitcoin's future, if usgavin and the power retard crowd have their way
mircea_popescu: but just as an indication of the problem : w3 total cache, version 8.5 ? 250kb. w3 total cache, version 9.2 ? 1,8 mb
mircea_popescu: read it an d fucking weep, 1.8mb of caching code.
Adlai: mircea_popescu: ah, w3m is installed instead of lynx because it's ~65% smaller
Adlai fiddles
mircea_popescu: then derps derp about 50mn lines of code. seriously, bitch ? that's your caching ?
mircea_popescu: Adlai im pretty sure you can view bitbet in emacs if it comes to it.
Adlai M-x package-install w3
kakobrekla: shit i got distracted by a pussy and a pair of tits.
mircea_popescu: piss the only thing missing ?
kakobrekla: so it it acceptable in lynx?
mircea_popescu: pretty much yes
kakobrekla: then i shall not bother with w3m
mircea_popescu: maybe you do that after it gets hacked, as punishment.
kakobrekla: nah, you get the punishment of recoding it from scratch for trusting me in the first place.
mircea_popescu: that is severe and unusual.
kakobrekla: life is such.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 380.93, Best ask: 381.35, Bid-ask spread: 0.42000, Last trade: 380.93, 24 hour volume: 21186.09124849, 24 hour low: 364.06, 24 hour high: 388.0, 24 hour vwap: 377.044702795
kakobrekla: hooray, meat!
mircea_popescu: eat two chickens today kako
mircea_popescu: you never know what tomorrow brings.
kakobrekla: shit i still dont even know what today brought.
mircea_popescu: "<kakobrekla> i got distracted by a pussy and a pair of tits." ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1588 @ 0.0007385 = 1.1727 BTC [+]
Apocalyptic: <ThickAsThieves> [16:22:45] wall st bleeding // again ?
Apocalyptic: this is bleeding everyday for a while it seems
chetty: <Apocalyptic> <ThickAsThieves> [16:22:45] wall st bleeding // again ?//seems to have mostly recovered since then
Apocalyptic: yeah that's what I just saw
ThickAsThieves: tis why i stopped trading stocks
ThickAsThieves: gs and friends troll traders hard
ThickAsThieves: waste of time learning that game
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell cazalla: so regards to finding additional author, on the about page i added must be in wot + 6 months #b-a logs << yeshiva as prereq. smart.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
wyrdmantis: A question for developers: if i wanted (only theoretically) to build a scamcoins exchange like bittrex, what language/framework is best to use? A guy has opened one in node.js. I think he's gonna get hacked very soon.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: added the necessary code to the necessary file and the necessary pingback to the necessary article :D
pete_dushenski: my pleasure.
mircea_popescu: wyrdmantis whenever you wish to build something hardened, you are advised to use the lowest level tools you can use.
mircea_popescu: this is why bunkers are made out of steel and concrete, even while luxury items are made out of silk and glass.
kakobrekla: steel is at the same level as glass
mircea_popescu: yeah shitty analogy
mircea_popescu: except you know, some stuff manages to be basic and advanced at the same time.
wyrdmantis: a friend asked the guy about db and got insulted and then silence. WTF people are so dumb. And yeah, node.js doesn't seem low level at all.
mircea_popescu: node.js is a great toolset to build your gf a dildo with.
Apocalyptic: pretty much
mircea_popescu: what's the worst that'll hapen, it'll fuck her in the ass ?
mircea_popescu: FEATURE!
kakobrekla: in both cases, if you want to do it well or if you want to do it fast, you will want to use tools you know well
wyrdmantis: the exchange is this
assbot: BetaShareX - Cryptocurrency Exchange
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: npm install dildo.js
Apocalyptic: I thought the exchange mania has stopped, guess not
kakobrekla: that never stops
wyrdmantis: i don't want to do an altcoin exchange, that's sure
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic idol worshipping hasn't stopped either, it just moves further to the outskirts
kakobrekla: shit even i had one coded but didnt put it live
mircea_popescu: wyrdmantis it is a very shitty spot to be in, running one of those, because the shitcoins are often badly written, such as was the case with xrp.
mircea_popescu: then people will find how to ewxploit one, trade it for all the others you hold
mircea_popescu: and the idiots "using" your "service" won't understand that they're all equally worthless, so...
mircea_popescu: buncha bad blood for no good reason.
Apocalyptic: yeah, that's the main reason I didn't want shitcoins in x-bt
kakobrekla: aha thats why theres no coins listed :)
mircea_popescu: lol hater.
mircea_popescu: he has atc doesn't he ?
wyrdmantis: i hope someone nuke it, arrogant dev is arrogant he insulted my friend
thestringpuller: yea that's the atc exchange I think is used in MPIF
Apocalyptic: well one could argue LTC is a shitcoin too, and it wouldn't be far from the truth
mircea_popescu: lol @this guy
Apocalyptic: so i guess it has one after all
mircea_popescu: wyrdmantis did he insult your friend badly ?
Azelphur: wyrdmantis: to answer your earlier question, the answer is the framework your developer is most proficient in using
kakobrekla: actually i think bash is wrong here. ltc is silver.
mircea_popescu: Azelphur so php ?
kakobrekla: (as silver is shit)
danielpbarron: wall street journal recently published an article featuring some of the more well known scamcoins
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: if you're good at PHP, use it. It's not the greatest of languages but it's perfectly functional.
mircea_popescu: just trolling for lolz
Apocalyptic: php=====functional returns false here
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic it's functionally functional then
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: coding in PHP is one of the few socially acceptable forms of insanity
wyrdmantis: Azelphur thanks
Azelphur: wyrdmantis: welcome, I know it's a bit of a non-answer
danielpbarron used to code stuff in php
kakobrekla: its what i said really.
mircea_popescu: you all keep bashing it, but wordpress' xmlrpc is written in php
Azelphur: danielpbarron: me too :)
mircea_popescu: and wordpress' xmlrpc is the best thing in the world
bounce: ergo, php is the bees' knees and the "fractal of bad design" guy has it ALL WRONG
Apocalyptic: I just saw a few vulns for that one, it seems to be recurrent
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: indeed, goes back to what I said really, the quality of code produced is dependant on the programmer and not the language
wyrdmantis: mircea_popescu not so badly, but in a very arrogant way, and then no more technical answers
mircea_popescu: actually i have seen tight php.
mircea_popescu: it was mostly transliterated perl
mircea_popescu: harharhar :D
bounce: leveraging a write once language to help produce tight code in a notoriously sloppy language. can't you just taste the synergy?
mircea_popescu: either that or the dingleberry
Azelphur: that said there are other considerations, some languages/frameworks have limitations / specialties that others don't
Azelphur: eg if you try and do realtime in django you're going to have a bad time.
mircea_popescu: is django actually named to suggest "d, j and go" ?
Adlai concludes that w3m is preferable to lynx
mircea_popescu: Adlai why that ?
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: nah, was named after a guitarist.
Adlai: mircea_popescu: images don't display at all with lynx/links
Adlai: and they're bulkier both in size and speed
kakobrekla: didnt someone make cli interface?
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 319014.53 in 235 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -83.01
Azelphur: kakobrekla: for MPEX? that was me.
assbot: Azelphur/pyMPEx GitHub
mircea_popescu: i think FabianB did too. or no wait
kakobrekla: !s bitbet cli
mircea_popescu: it was this italian chick maybe ?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yeah, yeah they did!
assbot: Logged on 19-06-2014 01:29:12; kakobrekla: ;;rate punkman 1 bitbet cli dev
mircea_popescu: up punkman1
kakobrekla: ty log
assbot: The Voice Harvesters: Bureaucrats, businesses gather more than 65 million people's voiceprints | Fox Business
mircea_popescu: Adlai you should check his code out btw, it's actually better if you want lightweight/text only than any browser
mircea_popescu: bounce incidentally, since you bring it up : most idiots of the "irc is not irl" and "i trust real people" variety fail to understand that with modern computers i can make any one person to say any one thing. just give me a collection of their voice recorded.
mircea_popescu: stuff here is not nearly as falsifiable as the "trustworthy" phonecall.
thestringpuller: i used to do that with tape recorders in my pops office back in the day
thestringpuller: that little home alone tape recorder thing
mircea_popescu: right, it's been iffy for 30+ years
mircea_popescu: but it's plain dead by today.
mircea_popescu: much like the "signature", ie, scribbling down on paper. fuck me, i have bills in this room issued by 6 different governments, they all have a signature on them
mircea_popescu: and i bet you the dude in question never touched any of the bills he "signed"
thestringpuller: signature stamps for the government
kakobrekla: ohai!
kakobrekla: what the url to that thing again pls?
punkman: what someone is gonna use bitbet cli?
bounce: heh, it's actually worse than that. when gov't people talk about "signature management", these days that's plugins for their document management systems that govern copy/pasting pictures of signatures into "documents" that later may or may not end up getting printed.
punkman: it's here but gotta upload updated version
assbot: abfg / — Bitbucket
bounce: anyhow barclays already rolled this out for their "wealthiest clients", so this sounds like an invitation to make good use of a tape recorder.
kakobrekla: mp: link this and btcalpha from faq?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla surely.
mircea_popescu: bounce it's been going on for a while, this scam. most brokers with high value accounts have been pretty spooked back in the 90s already
mircea_popescu: easiest sell for "bitch, use gpg" i ever had to make.
mircea_popescu: once the guy hears "non repudiable, just keep the blob" eyes light up like an xmas tree
bounce: rather gigantic mismatch between what the technology can do and understanding what it needs to do.
bounce: but then, selling a totally complex fancy buzzword-laden magic (voice or otherwise) box counts as "innovation", whereas installing a mail client with decent gpg support does not.
mircea_popescu: that's not how you do it. you gift the guy a laptop and explain how to use it.
mircea_popescu: "gpg support" in clients is for the birds.
mircea_popescu: best gift you'll ever make, incidentally. for the 500 bux or w/e an old laptop costs you're probably going to get a yachtful of champagne
bounce: that's the price of a new laptop these days. cheapo, but anyhow.
chetty: sounds like a business plan, laptops with gpg installed plus instructions, name it lots of fancy words ...
bounce: needs a bit of buy-in since the other side needs something comparable.
bounce: s/comparable/compatible/
mircea_popescu: bounce well if you're giving them away supposedly you got your own system
bounce: yesh, but it doesn't scale. then again, maybe it doesn't need to. until it does, of course.
mircea_popescu: what od you mean it doesn't scale lmao
mircea_popescu: you know what else doesn't scale this way ?
mircea_popescu: THE INTERNET
asciilifeform: gpg.. yachtful << nope. they'd rather buy pwndildoes from 'crypto ag.' it's a 'technolordosis' signal to their master.
mircea_popescu: o shit, you need a computer at home to email ? o yea, totally, email doesn't scale
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not anyone i'd work with.
mircea_popescu: vote with your money stan. it's a very powerful concept.
bounce: not that sense. in the sense that some people will thus end up with N (>>20) laptops to talk to N people.
mircea_popescu: bounce what ?!
asciilifeform: (and yes, i intend to write a post re: 'technolordosis.' for the lack of a better term, my current mental name for the deer/hunter symbiosis of voluntary chumpitude previously discussed on many occasions)
mircea_popescu: i must be missing like 20 laptops in here then ?!
asciilifeform: to vote with money, one first needs... money.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah but we were kinda discussing large accounts and personal brokers hiar.
asciilifeform: i sorta assumed fat fiat accounts on fiat brokers.
bounce: anyhow, I don't have contact with personal brokers so no opportunity to try and test market uptake
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's exactly what it is.
mircea_popescu: bounce no but i mean, people like shrem or ulbricht or w/e ? that's the right move in their position. hire lawyer, make it conditional upon all communication going through gpg
mircea_popescu: a lawyer readily understands the value of ACTUAL attorney-client privilege
mircea_popescu: as opposed to constructive
bounce: why aren't lawyers speaking up when there's yet another law mandating massive snooping on everyone with a few of those constructive bones thrown in? lack of understanding that actual is possible?
mircea_popescu: you get much better counsel once he gets familiar with the safeties provided by cryptography, too. so it's win-win
mircea_popescu: bounce because of the individual effect. why didn't people in leningrad speak up ?
mircea_popescu: why didn't the workers speak up before unions ?
mircea_popescu: because on his own, aperson is just a person.
mircea_popescu: once you give them a means to speak up they will.
mircea_popescu: hence why "providing nucleation" is so important
asciilifeform: ulbricht << unless he's learned to grind rsa in his head, how is this to happen? his jailers will otherwise have the key at their leisure.
mircea_popescu: he meets with lawyer
mircea_popescu: lawyer has everything that comes in and everything that comes out crypted
mircea_popescu: they uncrypt in the cell and talk.
mircea_popescu: only way to do it.
asciilifeform: afaik the whole client-attourney privilege thing is a dead letter in usaschwitz. (the buggers can do as they please and parallelconstruct.)
mircea_popescu: no, it's not.
mircea_popescu: they'll make copies of the gpg'd blobs at the most
mircea_popescu: which... whatevs.
asciilifeform: seriously suggesting that a prisoner in usa can keep a key secure (other than one which fits in his head) ?
chetty: I dont think lawyers get into cells anymore either, isn't it telephones and glass?
asciilifeform: IANAL - but afaik, usg claims a total right to control the communications of prisoners. and lawyers who are suspected of stretching the official rules (e.g., getting a message out to your mother, whatever) can be effectively fired by usg.
chetty: practically the definition of police state
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not so.
mircea_popescu: there's exactl;y nothing the prosecution can do to nosy into the defense briefs, abnd they wouldn't even dare ask because they've got no way to know if they're being set up for a mistrial or what.
mircea_popescu: and if in fact it does result in a mistrial for counsel tampering & conspiracy, the da in question can very well go to jail on the spot
mircea_popescu: doesn't even get a trial, the judge can just sentence him for contempt, six months, no problemo
mircea_popescu: and if he DOES get held in criminal contempt he gets disbarred, and might as well learn a new trade.
mircea_popescu: so, no. ain't happening.
chetty: back when there were real judges ..
mircea_popescu: chetty it's not a task any of the pencildicks would take regardless.
mircea_popescu: and if they weren't pencidlicks they'd be here with me, rather than over there with the sops.
chetty: matter of who they are more afraid of
mircea_popescu: quite so.
asciilifeform: mega-lol. nothing of the kind, afaik, has happened in many years. how could it, with tame judges, tame da-s, tame legislature, ... , etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: still think 'rule of law' thing is still a thing in usa? seriously?
mircea_popescu: the only reason it's never happened to date is simply that a da wouldn't have made it that far if he were insane enough to try something like you propose.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not rule of law. but plenty of upstanding individuals regardless. enough so to readily be leveraged into serious trouble for bureaucratic miscreants
asciilifeform: when they do 'this', it won't look like a 'this.' it'll look like a parallel-whatever - dumb prisoner gave his key to 'Bubba' in exchange for butseks, etc.
mircea_popescu: except if the defense counsel testifies to it.
mircea_popescu: which is what i said. they wouldn't even dare ask, because they don't know if it's a set-up.
mircea_popescu: moreover, your example doesn't actually work.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.12999958 = 1.3 BTC [+] {3}
ThickAsThieves: Circle is funny, theyre supposedly no-fee, which is only really true when selling, but when you sell, they pay nearly 1% premium bonus
ThickAsThieves: my best guess is they get more than that when you buy
kakobrekla: punkman just tried the cli and got trapped in ddos jail :)
ThickAsThieves: and have some kinda scheme going
punkman: kakobrekla: after trying to "update" I assume
kakobrekla: correct
kakobrekla: current settings are maxretry = 200, findtime = 120, bantime = 3600 - you think you can get around that?
punkman: kakobrekla: it even sleep 1 sec inbetween requests, what more do you want
kakobrekla: wouldnt trip it with 1s sleep
assbot: abfg / / source / bitbetlib / — Bitbucket
kakobrekla: as you would be hitting 120 out of 200 per 2min.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00074191 = 18.5478 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: maybe python second is different from my second. the only logical explanation.
punkman: PHP seconds are probably longer
kakobrekla: its actually haproxy we are talking about.
punkman: just run update on mine and it worked
kakobrekla: yeah cause you had a small update.
kakobrekla: less than 200 req.
punkman: well I'll make it sleep longer I guess
kakobrekla: idk 1 per second constantly should be working.
kakobrekla: imma test it
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atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 318823.44 in 234 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -83.02
kakobrekla: "for some time" < some years yes.
BingoBoingo: All of the Years
pete_dushenski: ^spreading the word :D
mircea_popescu: lol tsla under 225 ? heh
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski cool!
pete_dushenski: the author reqs tipped me over the edge.
assbot: Peter Thiel: Bitcoin needs a payment system to work - YouTube
pete_dushenski: and that crafty little stock issuance model pushed me up the hill!
ThickAsThieves: Thiel officially has been compromised
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves he's basically saying "paypal isn't dead"
mircea_popescu: he's stuck doing it, no ? his thing.
ThickAsThieves: he goes past that
mircea_popescu: well if anyone does a transcription i'll skim it
ThickAsThieves: saying bitcoin is hard to transact and only good for illegal stuff
mircea_popescu: but im not listening to thiel drone.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves teh party line change identified last week solidifies eh ?
ThickAsThieves: it's total fudpropaganda
Apocalyptic: ThickAsThieves, so basically what clueless people have been saying for years now ?
ThickAsThieves: it's like watching a politician lie
ThickAsThieves: i guess that's exactly what it is
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic now we know that they HAVE in fact been defeated, oct 5th
mircea_popescu: and it smarts.
assbot: This is how much I rule (today) pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
ThickAsThieves: bitcoin up $100 since, thanks!
mircea_popescu: anyway, anyone with serious long term btc plans better get your criminal suits ready
mircea_popescu: looks like we *will* be killing people before this is over.
ThickAsThieves: now with more new!
Apocalyptic: ;;seen pankkake
gribble: pankkake was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 1 day, 6 hours, 27 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <pankkake> here is 0.000195.
mircea_popescu: !up xinxi
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you really thought they'd surrender, just like that ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37900 @ 0.00074148 = 28.1021 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: i didn't think anything tbh.
mircea_popescu: people get their chances, they use them or not, fuck i care.
mircea_popescu: anyway, from what i recall and from everything i've read, illegal periods are the best part of any revolution. i imagine they'll be loads of fun for the reaction just as much.
punkman: kakobrekla: tried bigger update didn't see any errors
mircea_popescu: certainly stalin had a better time of it in the 1914s than in the 1954s
xinxi: ;;eauth wangxinxi
gribble: Request successful for user wangxinxi, hostmask xinxi!8984fa09@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Get your encrypted OTP from
kakobrekla: fml 1 per second is no good.
mircea_popescu: xinxi are you the guy that did the chinese version of anjiecast's article by any chance ?
xinxi: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:475b46ba59f944113e1beb804513bdb6c01c4eb89cf8c8e1cde797d8
gribble: You are now authenticated for user wangxinxi with key 331894345B459329
punkman: uploaded new version, hopefully sexy colors don't break your term
kakobrekla: it indeed is sexy.
xinxi: which article are you talking about?
mircea_popescu: !s
mircea_popescu: hm weird.
mircea_popescu: let me dig for a second
assbot: Logged on 11-10-2014 02:49:02; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell princessnell check it out, you're big in china
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2412 @ 0.00074093 = 1.7871 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: anyway, anyone with serious long term btc plans better get your criminal suits ready << pinstripes ok?
mircea_popescu: im not even sure what the fashion is, this time around
pete_dushenski: i think double-breasted is coming back
mircea_popescu: best check with our insider designer fashionistas i guess ?
pete_dushenski: just trimmer now
xinxi: no I am not that guy. but i am just curious how you know i am chinese.
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> mircea_popescu: anyway, anyone with serious long term btc plans better get your criminal suits ready << pinstripes ok? << I'll probably just break out the old Party Toga from College.
pete_dushenski: xinxi: haha um… your name?
mircea_popescu: xinxi * xinxi (8984fa09@gateway/web/freenode/ip. has joined #bitcoin-assets ?
ThickAsThieves: just wear black
ThickAsThieves: all that really matters
mircea_popescu: i dun like black so much.
ThickAsThieves: well youre in ba
xinxi: ok. you guys are good at this.
xinxi: the article is good.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: oct 5th never 4get! << but i thought sept 26 was your day?
pete_dushenski: two in two weeks might be a bit much!
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski as time goes by i keep acumulating days it seems
BingoBoingo: <ThickAsThieves> just wear black << Party today is basically just black oil cloth with some sort of gold fabric for the sash. Definitely heavier than togas worn by those three times my weight
xinxi: do you trade here?
pete_dushenski: xinxi: which article?
mircea_popescu: ;;rate xinxi 1 Guy's Chinese, what more can you ask for.
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate wangxinxi 1 Guy's Chinese, what more can you ask for.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user wangxinxi has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: xinxi now you can self-voice. pm assbot !up after you identified with gribble.
xinxi: great. thanks
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 318823.44 in 234 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -83.02
mircea_popescu: two hundred, good god.
Apocalyptic: this feels like a decade
mircea_popescu: X-Rob excuse me sir, which week is this ? 5th ? 6th ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you recall ?
X-Rob: I honestly have no idea
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'll check statements
X-Rob: and I'm in the middle of a bastard CVE at the moment
kakobrekla: punkman yeah no need to prolong the sleep, it now actually is 200 per 120s.
xinxi: ;;gettrust wangxinxi
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask wangxinxi!8984fa09@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Trust relationship from user wangxinxi to user wangxinxi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Mon Oct 13 16:19:46 2014
mircea_popescu: X-Rob aite, no worries.
ThickAsThieves: hey we bumped into the guy that fucked up the atc diff, in another chan
ThickAsThieves: railzand
mircea_popescu: xinxi it's cached so give it like an hour to propagate ?
X-Rob: ThickAsThieves: yeeeeessss...
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves he was here, it's captured on trilema.
kakobrekla: (before it was 100 per 120 for some known but retarded reason)
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla as per carlin's "ways to keep programmers on their toes" : announce 120, implement 100. that should hold them for about half an hour.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu, X-Rob: Going by trading statements... This seems like week 9
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot wangxinxi
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask wangxinxi!8984fa09@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Trust relationship from user assbot to user wangxinxi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Mon Oct 13 16:19:46 2014
X-Rob: BingoBoingo: Awesome!
mircea_popescu: there you go.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo o so he's finally off the hook ? god damed!
X-Rob: Heh
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: anyway, from what i recall and from everything i've read, illegal periods are the best part of any revolution. i imagine they'll be loads of fun for the reaction just as much. <<
assbot: Stewie: Oh, goody - Reaction GIFs
mircea_popescu: just as i was enjoying the deal ;/
X-Rob: I'm happy to hang around, mircea_popescu
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well you could always sign him again.
xinxi: I need to go to sleep now. It's 4:24 am here.
xinxi: ttyl
BingoBoingo: Keep his hash in friendly hands for the next diff drop.
mircea_popescu: wow check it out, they still sleep in china.
pete_dushenski: xinxi: cheers
xinxi: cheer
xinxi: cheers
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: from 4:30-6:00am...
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah ima going to try and make him give me moar for less seeing how the estimated difficulty increase never materialised!
xinxi: I sleep in Singapore
mircea_popescu: 0.21 next round X-Rob ? :D
asciilifeform: from we-hate-laptops-dept. news: it is well known that you can only buy lcd panels with 6-bit colour channels now. the latest ones look just like cheap newsprint when the dithering (e.g. gray screenfull) kicks in.
X-Rob: mircea_popescu: Mmmmm. Sounds plausible. I won't turn anything off.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah srsly, the terminal suffers so!
X-Rob: you've still got this week anyway
X-Rob: and for the next couple of weeks I'm in the US.
mircea_popescu: yup ima pay you now and we can talk about it once you're free
asciilifeform: but interestingly, only some people can see it (showed it to one fellow, he could, other - not)
mircea_popescu: yeah vision in human is widely variant
mircea_popescu: better classifier than skin tone actually.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: so no macbook pro retina? ;)
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> but interestingly, only some people can see it (showed it to one fellow, he could, other - not) << colorbliness being incredibly common is super open secret sort of disabilitit
ThickAsThieves: yeah sound slike you need a macbook
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: apple ships 6-bit only for several years now.
BingoBoingo: <ThickAsThieves> yeah sound slike you need a macbook << Macintosh portable seems like better value proposition
ThickAsThieves: really? then i guess you need to carry an imac around
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: no, seriously - apple -only- ships 6-bit panels. in all products. since '08 or so.
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: because, afaik, that is the only kind being produced. anywhere.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: Macintosh portable seems like better value proposition << my mom had one of these when i was young. she used to take it on business trips to russia.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Best value proposition though is Ti-89
pete_dushenski: can't really irc with one...
BingoBoingo: Why not? Has serial connection
pete_dushenski: hm. i guess so.
assbot: TI-Nspire CX CAS - Math. Science. Algebraic Precision. All on One Handheld. by Texas Instruments - US and Canada
danielpbarron: still got my ti-89; that was my favorite toy in school / used it in non-math classes instead of paying attention
BingoBoingo: STFU, need color computer. You need color go outside. Find girl and take on date. Much color there. Computer just needs === True
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: The nspire uses Arm turd
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: til
danielpbarron: i like color terminal; i color nicknames based on WoT rating
bounce: value proposition for what?
BingoBoingo: Calculating missile routes.
bounce: how about a hp50g then?
BingoBoingo: Sounds interesting
danielpbarron: i wonder if i can get any of the freetalklive derps to join -assets / been tweeting at them for a while now
BingoBoingo: Who are they?
danielpbarron: they think they are in Bitcoin and are on over 100 radio stations in the US
danielpbarron: not sure if they are government plants or just really naive
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Well you have to consider the idiots who write us off for suggesting Hearn or Gavin could be coopted and have interest agaisnt Bitcoin.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in exactly the same place as the goats growing recombinant butyrylcholinesterase (antidote+prophylactic against organophosphate poisoning, $30k+ a dose at current production methods) << steepish. but is one dose enough?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: For obolacare, one is never enough
pete_dushenski: sure. but goats are presumably for private parties only, neh?
pete_dushenski: the politburo types...
danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, one of them wants to write me off for suggesting that altcoins are not a thing, and another outright bashed bitcoin in favor of whatever scamcoin of the month he fancies
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Ah so these are warrior forum sorts. Also know as the Glen Beck will say anything so long as it keeps Goldline happy.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Maybe?
devthedev: danielpbarron: freetalklive?
danielpbarron: devthedev, ya
assbot: If ISIS takes Baghdad... just... wow. Freaking US better do SOMETHING other than shooting spitballs at them from the sky. /hashtag/ISIS?src=hash /hashtag/ISIL?src=hash /hashtag/USA?src=hash
assbot: Secretive X-37B Military Space Plane Could Land On Tuesday - Slashdot
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: Adlai: now go and see reaction time vs. intelligence (take your pick of any known simple test for either of the two). disturbingly close. 0.8, if i recall. << til again! this would explain why i was one of the very few non-asian kids playing badminton at a high junior level.
pete_dushenski: diametric: i'll change my nick for 10 bitcoin. << for 10 bitcents it might be worth it do not confuse you with decimation
mircea_popescu: <danielpbarron> they think they are in Bitcoin and are on over 100 radio stations in the US << worst comes to worst we'll have some lulz.
mircea_popescu: lol if. what if.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski this would explain why i was one of the very few non-asian kids playing badminton at a high junior level. << well, either that or the other kids thinking badminton's for fags and nobody having translated the memo in azn ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: ya asian kids don't hockey so well.
pete_dushenski: that's pretty much the extent of the needed translation: "you're small and frail. go play badminton."
pete_dushenski: as a result, the asian kids and i aren't suffering from the braindamage of a few dozen concussions mixed with cum crackers.
pete_dushenski: fags 1: hockey 0
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: There aren't very many black or hispanic hockey player either, thoughts from up north?
TheNewDeal: they just don't play
TheNewDeal: it's not that they would be bad
BingoBoingo: The few that play do tend to be really good.
mod6: There was a black kid I played with. Broke his arm.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: there aren't that many of either of those peoples who find their way into the arctic. they prefer equatorial zones.
thickasthieves: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 395.45, Best ask: 395.74, Bid-ask spread: 0.29000, Last trade: 395.77, 24 hour volume: 21705.15008897, 24 hour low: 368.07, 24 hour high: 396.89, 24 hour vwap: 379.96685681
mod6: %ob
atcbot: 7k@266 99k@255 30k@225 | 2k@195 45k@190 4k@185
mod6: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 325197 | Current Difficulty: 3.500248202613323E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 326591 | Next Difficulty In: 1394 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 4 hours, 6 minutes, and 18 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 36634046167.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.66128
mod6: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 318823.44 in 234 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -83.02
mod6: bzzt
atcbot: Time Since Last ATC Block (#46134): 1 hour(s), 38 minutes
mod6: :>
mod6: %p
atcbot: >> No data returned from << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 1301.09 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 2.03 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.63 TH/s
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 75 @ 0.03704643 = 2.7785 BTC [-] {9}
mod6: how's it hangin tsp?
pete_dushenski: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 325198 | Current Difficulty: 3.500248202613323E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 326591 | Next Difficulty In: 1393 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 3 hours, 56 minutes, and 50 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 36583567526.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.51707
X-Rob: mircea_popescu: I'm happy to take .21btc, but you're ripping yourself off.
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> as a result, the asian kids and i aren't suffering from the braindamage of a few dozen concussions mixed with cum crackers. << they still do the cum crackers ?!
pete_dushenski: o most definitely.
X-Rob: .17 is more realistic
mircea_popescu: X-Rob i was just being ironic and everything
X-Rob: 8)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35850 @ 0.00073966 = 26.5168 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: O.o xanthyos
BingoBoingo: !up xanthyos
BingoBoingo: ;;ident xanthyos
gribble: Nick 'xanthyos', with hostmask 'xanthyos!', is identified as user 'xanthyos', with GPG key id B62E7295387001E9, key fingerprint DB744745C970CF95E27AE214B62E7295387001E9, and bitcoin address None
xanthyos: gribble and chanserv are fighting over who wants to authenticate me
xanthyos: guess chanserv has to go first
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: there's no age limit, you can be an adult at about 12. << thus, bar/bat mitzvah.
pete_dushenski: treat the wee jooz like adults from that point on and maybe they can run a bank, movie studio, etc. without fucking it up.
bounce: so you're advocating the jooz should run teh coontry now? like the big joo conspiracy isn't a bad thing or something.
mod6: %vwap s.mpoe
mod6: bah
mod6: $vwap s.mpoe
empyex: mod6: S.MPOE 1 day: average: 0.00073908 high: 0.00074368 low: 0.00073411 volume: 1783412 btc: 1318.08000386 7 day: average: 0.00074037 high: 0.00074875 low: 0.00073411 volume: 5366781 btc: 3973.38786209 30 day: average: 0.00074688 high: 0.0007685 low: 0.00073411 volume: 21693517 btc: 16202.4226007
pete_dushenski: bounce: more that they're on to something. something that in some times and places is widely emulated. others, not.
bounce: plenty tribes have that sort of ritual. them jooz still see themselves as a tribe, so it fits.
pete_dushenski: being a numerate, literate adult is a worthwhile goal, neh?
bounce: not unrelatedly, confirmation in the catholic church.
kakobrekla: BingoBoingo >Surveillance Mogul: Make Bitcoin Like Paypal < last link/sentence is a bit off
BingoBoingo: Alignment corrected
thestringpuller: mod6: it makes me sad to see the block lagging for ATC
BingoBoingo: Oh, the things wrong with this web design
assbot: Home | CITIZENFOUR
xanthyos: actually it's mostly the goyim who project the tribal label onto the jews
xanthyos: the majority of jews are secularists
atcbot: Time Since Last ATC Block (#46135): 0 hour(s), 20 minutes
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: how can one love anything about nyc << pretty much my thoughts exactly, being the soul-depleting shithole that it is.
xanthyos: nyc is a nice place if you don't have to drive in it
xanthyos: except when it's too hot, or cold, or smelling like pee
xanthyos: or garbage water
thestringpuller: good evening hanbot
hanbot: howdy
pete_dushenski: xanthyos: last time i was there is was cold, humid, and all too smelly. didn't leave an impression that i'm eager to rekindle.
mod6: thestringpuller: ya, it's been like that from jumpstreet
BingoBoingo: !up CryptoGoon
BingoBoingo: !up hguux
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33393 @ 0.00073836 = 24.6561 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4723 @ 0.00073676 = 3.4797 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up hagbardgroup
mod6: thestringpuller: here you can see the diff chart (180 days), - that's when they mined the shit out of it driving the diff up by 4x
mod6: just before aug 15
assbot: The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as “cryptocurrencies” pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mod6: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 401.85, Best ask: 402.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.15000, Last trade: 401.8, 24 hour volume: 25083.84738000, 24 hour low: 368.07, 24 hour high: 405.0, 24 hour vwap: 383.112657872
mod6: speaking of the one and only...
assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( )
assbot: Surveillance Mogul: Make Bitcoin Like Paypal
kakobrekla: awww, so close to Shadap
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( )
assbot: ninjashogun +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -4
PeterL: !up nanjashogun
PeterL: !up ninjashogun
ninjashogun: thanks, peter
PeterL: yw
PeterL: havn't you been around here a while? why no self-voicing?
mats_cd03: he doesn't have any fans
PeterL: ninjashogun: I'm the startup founder you talked with before - I hvae the two projects/companies farther along, that I don't think we discussed, and I bleieve we discussed the solar plane in depth. << yes, I remember that conversation
ninjashogun: PeterL, I only have troll ratings and one from Adlai
PeterL: I think I understand why
ninjashogun: PeterL not sure what hte voice requirements are exactly.
PeterL: you just have to have a positive L2 from assbot
PeterL: ;;gettrust assbot ninjashogun
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask ninjashogun!~User@unaffiliated/ninjashogun. Trust relationship from user assbot to user ninjashogun: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -4 via 4 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Thu Jun 26 19:05:58 2014
ninjashogun: Also, I think that the trolls "won" because I'm not able to rate positively the people I have had good connectoins with (gribble says I 'don't qualify') so obviously they won't reciprocate. My ratings look like a troll's.
ninjashogun: For exmaple, i would rate you a 1 (easily) based on our previous conversation, but it wouldn't accept it.
ninjashogun: Someone said I should 'start over' and just make a new account, but I only have 1 entry in WoT (this one, where I'm authenticated) and I prefer to remain sane and normal until troll ratings come around.
kakobrekla: omg adlai what have you done.
ninjashogun: kakobrekla, relax, Peter gave me voice :)
ninjashogun: and hello to you too.
PeterL: I didn't see what adlai did, so this is not his fault
kakobrekla: suspekt everythink
ninjashogun: kakobrekla, :)
PeterL: ninjashogun: it does not inspire trust that you come here under different names
ninjashogun: I didn't. This is hte only WoT entry.
ninjashogun: PeterL even though as you can see I am immediately being trolled :) It's okay though, I guess this is part of the process. I saw totally normal people being driven out of here by the trolling. It's like a rite of passage though, I don't mind.
PeterL: and as to our previous conversation, solar power increases as the square of the scale, weight increases as the cube of the scale, so while solar power might work for model airplanes it will be infeasible for carrying things
ninjashogun: PeterL as I mentioned before I prefer to discuss this privately. This is a logged channel.
ninjashogun: if you want to google why, search >patent law public disclosure< -- e..g.
assbot: Public disclosure - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
ninjashogun: (for anyone following along, this is quite different than being private for hte sake of not fucking a product launch up.)
PeterL: what about being private for not wanting to be proven an idiot?
ninjashogun: PeterL, that's an interesting tone you strike. Out of curiosity, have you ever made anything? (other than promises)
ninjashogun: I mean actually made something.
PeterL: can you be more specific by "thing"?
kakobrekla: ninjashogun i wonder how come you scalped Adlai for a rating, was it because he is fresh and got a rating from mp
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00074185 = 10.9052 BTC [+] {2}
ninjashogun: kakobrekla, he's just a normal guy. we just talked online. (no transactions or anything.)
kakobrekla: from all the normal guys...
BingoBoingo: I dun think Adlai knows better yet
ninjashogun: BingoBoingo, what, that it's better to troll than to have a normal conversation and discuss something? No, he doesn't seem to have caught on. He also isn't very active in these channels though.
BingoBoingo: ninjashogun: Stuff like Wi-Fi more secure than wires makes it hard to give your other ideas charitable interpretations, and I tried god damn it.
bounce: ninjashogun, according to you this channel must be full of "trolls". why then are you even here?
ninjashogun: BingoBoingo, reading my message to you on CNN is more secure than a wired link, if the former uses PKI and the latter doesn't. I'm sorry you don't know this distinction.
assbot: Confirming that /newsweeklied is the legitimate legal defense fund for Dorian /ethankirschner, /aantonop
assbot: Public key infrastructure - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38400 @ 0.00074269 = 28.5193 BTC [+] {3}
ben_vulpes: ninjashogun: a solar plane?!
PeterL: ninjashogun: I didn't realize about the public disclosure thing, but it makes sense in the sense that patents last a certain number of years from when the thing is invented, and this keeps people from only filing the patent years later when they realize it is worth money
BingoBoingo: ninjashogun: What is easiest for the back van across the street to intercept though?
ninjashogun: bounce - it's not only full of trolls. Even though PeterL has just resorted to calling me an idiot (in keeping with this channel) he makes a good point about volume and weight. (Poorly expressed.)
ninjashogun: PeterL - yes, we discussed this previously, it was a condition of speaking with you about it.
bounce: that doesn't answer the question
PeterL: I didn't exactly call you an idiot, but if the shoe fits ...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13576 @ 0.00073971 = 10.0423 BTC [-]
ninjashogun: PeterL - Your point is okay but of course this is a counterexample in the sense that this has a payload, and flies indefinitely. So the question is more one of degree than absolute feasability.
assbot: NASA Helios - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
ben_vulpes: hey why not an air-breathing mach-5 vehicle?
ben_vulpes: if the brits can do it, why can't ninjashogun?
ben_vulpes: after all, all he needs is capital and then the magic will happen!
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes> hey why not an air-breathing mach-5 vehicle? << H00000000H
ninjashogun rolls eyes.
bounce: I'd say "whoosh" but the sonic boom disagrees
BingoBoingo: !up jaggered
ben_vulpes: ;;google sabre engine
gribble: SABRE (rocket engine) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Reaction Engines Ltd - The SABRE Engine: <>; Reaction Engines Ltd - SABRE: How it works: <>
BingoBoingo: bounce: No, I'm proposing H00000000H as the fuel
PeterL: ninjashogun: NASA also put a guy on the moon, but there are no companies doing that (yet)
bounce: fuel? that would be a little inefficient.
ninjashogun: PeterL, well, sure, but if you call me an idiot and make an impossibility argument, then a counterexample weakens your case. It also makes it hard to collaborate. It's why I wondered if you ever got any projects to fruition, i.e. actually made anything. There is a continuum from idea through execution and name-caling isn't usually on there.
PeterL: I'm a chemist, I try to work with things that are possible
ben_vulpes: bitbet, mpex, qntra, war of life...
BingoBoingo: bounce: Nah, just build more rockets under it then sail the interstallar medium on inertia
ben_vulpes: no execution around, nope.
ninjashogun: PeterL - in chemistry, if something exists it doesn't imply that it's chemically possible?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Well... s.qntr lacks shares atm
bounce: so what would the expected phase of that stuff be? though note that O usually doesn't count as /fuel/
BingoBoingo: on the plus side s.qntr hopefully will help jurov with +coinbr
PeterL: well, we have heavy metals because fusion happened in stars, but I am not going to try making useful quantities of gold and silver in my lab
ninjashogun: PeterL good point.
kakobrekla: BingoBoingo i dont use twitter but i fink it would be appropriate for qntra to get a feed. just a suggestion.
BingoBoingo: bounce: The expected phase is reacting so hard.
bounce: except that. sheesh.
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Sgornick set one up and cazalla took it off him
ninjashogun: PeterL - It actually matches something really intreresting from patent law. Chemistry is actually one of the sciences where you need to fully e.g. synthesize the thing, actually make it, since it's considered an "unpredictable" art. In other areas it's just enough for it to be obvoius that the design works a certain way.
assbot: Qntra (@qntra) | Twitter
kakobrekla: is it working?
assbot: Infinitely inflating stock S.QNTR | BTC Scoop Blog
kakobrekla: sort of working i see , cool :)
ninjashogun: see for example. Patents in chemistry are super super specific, based on actually synthesized things with very precise enablement steps only, and don't cover classes of things at all.
assbot: Heightened Enablement in the Unpredictable Arts « UCLA Law Review
dub read Hieghtened Entitlement
kakobrekla: should link it from the homepage
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Will happen eventualy. At least RSS is on the homepage.
PeterL: some of the work I do is "let's synthesize X because it will work like Y (maybe?), which Other Company has a patent on"
cazalla: BingoBoingo, not yet i didn't
kakobrekla: BingoBoingo feel free to say 'fuck off already'.
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: And end the jokes?
kakobrekla: those cant be fucked off
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: This is your chance to avenge all of the BitBet slurs.
BingoBoingo: Anyways fucking off is fun
BingoBoingo: And unlike MtGox I hack on live php withou knowing php or crashing the thing. All of those ======== make php friendly like that.
kakobrekla: always add 'yet' with such things.
BingoBoingo: ... yet.
BingoBoingo: ... so far.
ben_vulpes: ninjashogun, PeterL: I know! let's build a rocket with RFNO!
ben_vulpes: it's totally possible! we should totally do it!
kakobrekla: ;;google libratax
gribble: LibraTax - Accounting and tax software for Bitcoin, Ripple, and other ...: <>; LibraTax (@Libra_Tax) | Twitter: <>; LibraTax Looks To Solve Bitcoin Tax Accounting-Related Woes ...: <>
ben_vulpes: it's even a good idea (tm)!
PeterL: what's rfno?
assbot: ninjashogun +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -4
kakobrekla: !s libratax
kakobrekla: libratax, sounds as good as freedeath
BingoBoingo: ;;ud libra
gribble: | People born between September 24 and October 20. 7th sign. Represented by scales. Opposite sign = aries Gets along with = aries, libra, aquarius, g...
BingoBoingo kinda anticipated an Italian bra
xanthyos: i was born on 9/26 and my mortal enemy is an aquarian. horoscopy isn't science
xanthyos: actually more than one
mike_c: you may not believe in astrology, but astrology believes in you.
xanthyos: i have 3 distinct aquarian enemies
xanthyos: astrology and oroscopy arent' the same
xanthyos: stars vs sun
xanthyos: not that either is legit
kakobrekla: cause star is not a sun
mike_c: hehe
ben_vulpes: PeterL: red fuming nitric oxide
ben_vulpes: one of the neater rocket fuels around
BingoBoingo: Colonoscopy is pretty legit though.
xanthyos: horo - horus - sun, astr- - star
xanthyos: the ancients didn't see the sun as a star
PeterL: ben_vulpes: sounds like something fun to work with
mike_c: who crappe don the logs this time?
mike_c: ahh, peterl
mike_c: upping ninjashogun is so masochistic.
PeterL: sorry, I didn't think it was that bad?
mike_c: how many times has he asked you for money?
PeterL: when I upped him I didn't realize it was the same crackpot I had talked to before
BingoBoingo: PeterL: Over time he seems less bad, until he seems souper bad again.
assbot: NSA Mind-Bender: We Won't Tell You What Info We Already Leaked to the Media | WIRED
mike_c: [19:33] <ninjashogun> have you had a look at the logs? Usually it's barely legal porn and random derping.
mike_c: can't argue with that.
kakobrekla: shiiiiiiiiiiiii
kakobrekla: iiiiiiiiiiit.
mike_c: when is b-a going to list itself on mpex and pay shares based on line count?
kakobrekla: first we need to start charging for them lines
assbot: Time-lock encryption -
asciilifeform: RagnarDanneskjol: same idiocy as the 'asic resistant altcoin' problem.
asciilifeform: RagnarDanneskjol: you can easily come up with a non-parallelizable problem, but asking that 'no one have unfair advantage' is absurd.
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RagnarDanneskjol: yes, ultimately limited to a single dedicated timekeeping box. still, he managed to flesh out the concept well
asciilifeform: there is no concept. the idea of releasing a crypted turd sans key is ancient.
asciilifeform: hell, captain kidd supposedly did it at his hanging.
asciilifeform: but it is in no sense a 'time lock.'
asciilifeform: for one thing, the clock doesn't tick unless someone actually gives a damn.
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RagnarDanneskjol: successive squaring.. etc. but yes I concede your point. sorry, am at work righ now, unprepared to hash it out further
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i discovered that the machine with the dithering lcd wasn't just dithering. it has a 'pentile' screen (hard-wired white pixel in the middle of each rgb element! for fraudulently increased apparent brightness.) had no idea this even existed.
asciilifeform: not every day one discovers a totally new scamatron, on own skin.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i recall this being discussed before somewhere
asciilifeform: i'm sure it was
asciilifeform: but, missed it. didn't even suspect there was any further to go, through the already abysmal floor lcd quality dropped to.
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mircea_popescu: i doubt the trend towards worse quality will change before sound money is reintroduced
mircea_popescu: generally fake money regimes induce this inflation-through-lowering-quality economic aberration
asciilifeform: what is interesting is that genuine product becomes unavailable at any price.
asciilifeform: short of financing its entire r&d starting from ore.
BingoBoingo waits for the cold unforgiving march of money to turn cardano toolchain into workstation.
mircea_popescu: well yes.
mircea_popescu: kinda why soviets became unpopular in central europe in the 80s
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this story is actually about a machine involved in my day job
mike_c: aren't those IPS screens supposed to be the shit?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I know, but... Nothing happens in isolation
asciilifeform: mike_c: ips in a laptop?
mike_c: dunno. am researching now, usually a good idea before opening one's mouth.
asciilifeform: mike_c: they exist, in theory, but nothing with 1000+ rows of pixels
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure, they exist, but not really feasible for laptop from what i recall
mircea_popescu: too much power draw or something
asciilifeform used that thing again for half hour, to test, and now has a truly astonishingly-powerful headache
mircea_popescu:!/charts << gotta say this is one of the few pages implementing graphs correctly
kakobrekla: i have ips screen on lappy
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yep i have the same problem with newer laptops
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: resolution ?
kakobrekla: it fails on that yea.
mike_c: mircea_popescu: what do you like about the graphs?
mircea_popescu: mike_c that they run on my browser.
mike_c: heh. i haven't gotten into svg yet, seems worthwhile though.
mircea_popescu: ninjashogun: For exmaple, i would rate you a 1 (easily) based on our previous conversation, but it wouldn't accept it. << such pandering.
asciilifeform: the most infuriating thing is that the easiest way to increase vertical resolution (the only kind that really matters to me) is to turn the display 90 degrees, which is not doable on laptop.
asciilifeform: on every 'real' computer i own, i do it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in a sense, the fact that everyone today uses computers with porn screens, rather than coding screens
mircea_popescu: is clear proof the trolls have won.
asciilifeform: can't even imagine a respectable porn aficionado enjoying these
asciilifeform: at least, not for still shots
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform point being, they're cinematic screens (wider than tall) rather than coding screens (taller than wide)
asciilifeform: this, yes
asciilifeform: incidentally, notice xerox and original mit lisp machines - had correct (vertical) displays.
asciilifeform: but no, modified television for everybody. to this day.
mircea_popescu: so in bitbet board kako proposed a motion to give punkman 10k shares too, which passed. you got a mpex acct ? or coinbr ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's what im sayin'.
mircea_popescu: all this ninjashogun bs polluting the logs... i keep skipping, who knows what valuable contribution of some legitimate participant falls through cracks thusly
kakobrekla: we need like personalized filter
asciilifeform: it really is time to start charging him for the privilege of using #b-a as a public urinal
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mircea_popescu: yeah srsly i dunno why people keep upping him.
mircea_popescu: up some porn star or something, at least boobs.
kakobrekla: i do wat i want
kakobrekla: o wait, it wasnt me.
asciilifeform: presumably to keep him addicted while the pay toilet coin hopper is wired in.
mircea_popescu: yeah, and then he'll ipo b-a voice on cryptsy
mircea_popescu: and you'll end up with 50 kids each contributing a nickle towards it
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: And unlike MtGox I hack on live php withou knowing php or crashing the thing. <<< this is pretty much why people like php
kakobrekla: its like lisp in that sense
BingoBoingo: It's a language you don't need to know to fix... so far...
mircea_popescu: pretty much like a kitchen appliance
BingoBoingo: If it gets really bad drop it on the counter
mircea_popescu: assbot: NSA Mind-Bender: We Won't Tell You What Info We Already Leaked to the Media | WIRED <<< i was having a lulz earlier at that
mircea_popescu: kinda reminescent of all sorts of bureaucratic nonsense early on in the snowden saga, when they still thought they're living in old world
BingoBoingo: I still can't get over the misguided web design of the Snowden film website
mircea_popescu: mike_c: when is b-a going to list itself on mpex and pay shares based on line count? <<
kakobrekla: well it does resemble a coil
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this works especially well on a cheap 'ups'.
mircea_popescu: lmao omfg.
mike_c: hehe
mircea_popescu: this somehow has not occured to me
mircea_popescu: i suppose the best way is to plug a router into itself and then the ups into itself making the coils go through each other
mircea_popescu: seti was doing it wrong
assbot: Arrest total upped to 42 at Ferguson police station on 'Moral Monday,' more events elsewhere : News
mircea_popescu: 42 n ot bad
BingoBoingo: At this point if St Louis gets an obola case, whites and blacks will prolly agree it is ebama's fault
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: hell, captain kidd supposedly did it at his hanging. << this.
assbot: Qntra Reaffirms That The WoT And IRC Yeshiva Are In No Way Optional - Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
cazalla: yeah but then qntra went and relaxed the guidelines, if need be anyway
mircea_popescu: like how ?
BingoBoingo: Taleb could probably get an article in without 6 months reading.
cazalla: 6 months logs part
mircea_popescu: well yea, but i mean, the only way to verify that part is through what the people say
mircea_popescu: as in, does this guy show understanding comensurate with a semester's reading
mircea_popescu: not like ninjashogun can come and say "hei guise, i got 6months in, that's it rite ???"
BingoBoingo: Well I dunno that ninjashogun has ever read anything. It might taint his seekrit ideas with prior art.
mircea_popescu: there is that yea
BingoBoingo: It is a disease of a lot of the swiftly discountable crackpots
asciilifeform: my favourite hypothesis re mr. spam is that he is a scammer masquerading as an incompetent usg case officer.
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Why can't he be both?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't think anyone but you really sees the usg case officer angle.
mircea_popescu: not the right kind of derp.
BingoBoingo: I can see it.
mircea_popescu: maybe im just out of touch
BingoBoingo: Asks a lot of unanswerable questions about net worth. Derpy scammer is an angle usg has prolly tried before in tax cases.
asciilifeform: basic case master recipe from both sides of cold war - pretend to be an unrelated animal that nevertheless merits close access to the chumper's personal guts.
asciilifeform: e.g., a priest.
BingoBoingo: The impression of incompetence offers tha failed agent quite a bit of plausible deniability
asciilifeform: or 'co-phounder'
assbot: ninjashogun +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -4
asciilifeform: co-flounder?
nubbins`: wait, ninjashogun is a plant?!
mircea_popescu: reviewing records, it seems i've been on the capitulating side of this argument once before
nubbins`: but i opened my books to that guy
mircea_popescu: i dunno...
nubbins`: receipts, invoices, everything
mircea_popescu: nubbins` oh you
asciilifeform: nubbins`: at least you didn't open up for the spores
asciilifeform: or didja.
mircea_popescu: well there was that threesome in the woods...
nubbins`: the... spores...
mircea_popescu: someone should make a bitcoin scammer cartman. sort of a karpeles - tom van dyke - rpietilla mix.,
mircea_popescu: his hat could be a silver cup.
BingoBoingo: I thought the tradehill crowd played that out already
BingoBoingo: except they kept their Cartmanland
mircea_popescu: srsly we need a good cartoon maker in here.
mircea_popescu: !up menahem
BingoBoingo: Well in 2016 should be able to afford the south park guys
mircea_popescu: i'd rather give some young uns a boost.
mircea_popescu: otherwise it feels just like jenifer lopez' mom winning the lottery
asciilifeform: <ninjashogun> this really is ridiculous. Again, straight out of --- straight harassment and trolling. Because you don't want to actually work on shipping product.
asciilifeform: ^ from our friend, mr spam
asciilifeform inspects apparently-broken killfile
BingoBoingo: Maybe ur using killfile wrong?
mircea_popescu: "o look guise, i have an article which sais people make fun of idiots! therefore your making fun of my idiocy is rendered null and void!11"
mircea_popescu: what is this, the special internets ?
BingoBoingo: No, special internets has shorter bus and pipes
BingoBoingo: !up mpmcsweeney
asciilifeform will probably have to switch to whitelist soon.
asciilifeform: would be interesting to have #b-a-voiced-only pm whitelist plugin.
mircea_popescu: you can probably write it
asciilifeform: i could, yes. perhaps in peacetime.
mircea_popescu: it's an interesting idea anyway. what do most people use, irssi ? xchat ?
asciilifeform: presently xchat
BingoBoingo: xchat atm
asciilifeform: anyone fess up to emacs ?
menahem: weechat
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: emacs would be interesting if Stallman surrended and just had it replace Hurd in his grand scheme
mircea_popescu: "bingbot 0.0.0 Ben AsselstineBingbot turns you into an IRC cyborg. When someone says "uptime" to you, it answers them back with your uptime. When someone says "vi?" to you, it answers them back with the last file you opened in vim. When someone says "search: foo" to you, it gets a random link to a gif on and shows them that. written in c++, requires glibmm, curlpp and sigc++."
mircea_popescu: holy shit. what is wrong with people
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: elisp is a terrifyingly pre-1970s-style crock of shit. e.g., brings back the infamous 'funarg problem'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is there one which invites strangers to format your hd?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Still better than the x86 is nothing but shims all the way down problem
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you're more than welcome to boot straight into emacs even now.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform on the basis of that description, easily extensible
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in fact, when, as a boy, i first read of lisp machines, i somehow thought this is how they worked.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Last time I tried that I realized I dun really know how to emax
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you may have to break down and get the book.
asciilifeform: if you don't have a greybeard to apprentice with.
BingoBoingo: None around here who won't steal my jools
asciilifeform: <ninjashogun> You seriously need to stop with the trolling. It is extremely unprofessional. I've already apologized for hurting your feelings.
asciilifeform: <ninjashogun> You also repeatedly mention me in a negative light, despite my not saying anything to you. Just stop.
asciilifeform: what is even the deal with xchat. / ignore user ALL doesn't seem to work.
mircea_popescu: so, how to break up with a girl subtler than sublte ?
mircea_popescu: bring her begonias
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I thought carnations were the way.
mircea_popescu: no but see... be-gone-yas
BingoBoingo: Ah, around these parts carnations are "funeral flowers" So you bring the carnations and ask the girl if they remind her of anything. Inevitably she mentions an older relative. Then... That's about where we're at nao.
ben_vulpes: i fess up to emacs
Apocalyptic: <asciilifeform> what is even the deal with xchat. / ignore user ALL doesn't seem to work. // you have to provide a hostmask for <user>
ben_vulpes: works for me
mircea_popescu: it works srsly.
ben_vulpes: plus extensible with stallisp
danielpbarron uses irssi
BingoBoingo: Might have to try begonias next time
ben_vulpes: irssi's okay. wacky wacky architecture tho.
assbot: NBC's Medical Correspondent is Quarantined for Ebola, Goes Out Anyway
mircea_popescu: did she bareback a bunch of dudes at least ?
BingoBoingo: Who know?
BingoBoingo: The thing about ebola is that people talk about it either like it's the flu and easy to spead or GRIDS which is hard to spread when it is in the middle, but leaning closer to the flu
mircea_popescu: actually it's pretty close to aids from what i gather.
BingoBoingo: But this shit doesn't work in two dimesions, because sweat can't spread GRIDS or the flu
asciilifeform: i'd like to see which one of us gets kicked off freenode first, for 'harrassing' mr spam.
BingoBoingo: And it really is GRIDS rather than AIDS to shame the system that could not forsee that most cases would happen to hetrosexual african women.
mircea_popescu: what is this, lala land ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo come again ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The actual demographics of AIDS vs the history of AIDS naming
mircea_popescu: anywya, it'll be hilarious once it comes out that whites actually have some natural resistence to the disease, which blacks do not. that sort of thing is what makes one suspect god is in it for the lulz.
xanthyos: <+mircea_popescu> no but see... be-gone-yas << this cryptic breakup pun is pilkingtonian
asciilifeform: i suspect that quarantine on certain people will be enforced very honestly, while on others (as above example) - not quite.
asciilifeform: no historical example of this, afaik, but the totalitarian state is a rather young thing
asciilifeform: (though biowar is ancient...)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> no historical example of this, afaik, but the totalitarian state is a rather young thing << Not so young, socrates tried to implement it
xanthyos: the fema camps full of empty coffins have already been built
asciilifeform: xanthyos: that story never made sense - why would we get own coffins
asciilifeform: what's wrong with old-fashioned mass grave.
asciilifeform: coffins! what luxury americans expect.
asciilifeform: how many of, e.g., stalin's, clients, got coffins.
xanthyos: it's more believable as a conspiracy theory if they don't go to the extent of telling the people there will be mass graves
asciilifeform: the hilarious part is, i can actually believe that they'd stockpile coffins.
xanthyos: maybe only the front row is coffins
asciilifeform: !s beetle men
xanthyos: maybe there's a lobbyist in washington who works for big coffin
nubbins`: make em the right shape, you can nest 'em like wading pools.
nubbins`: after all, what is a coffin but an oblong Rubbermaid storage bin?
asciilifeform: the rule-following beetle men, they will read 'victims must be buried in coffins' and literally order it done, in precisely that way
asciilifeform: identical 'rubbermaid' ones, made under contract #something, yes.
asciilifeform: if they're used, it'll be 3-4 clients per.
asciilifeform: otherwise, where to pack them all.
BingoBoingo: I like the people who say "come on obola isn't zombie plague" not realizing that unlike pretend zombie plague obola leaves people real dead.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> xanthyos: that story never made sense - why would we get own coffins << it makes perfect sense if you consider it for the communicatioon exercise it actually is.
asciilifeform: actually it is quite like the zombie plague
mircea_popescu: what';s better than a large pile of symbolically meaningful items.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Indeed
asciilifeform: in that, before final resting place, you get to amble about and infect.
xanthyos: ethanol prices go up because corn is used to make coffins from biodegreadeable vegetable cellulose
BingoBoingo: Also look how far people travel in their last days
asciilifeform: the more developed a welfare state, the juicier a target it will appear to these travellers.
asciilifeform: if there is an 'x' such that 'if only i can make it to x, i might live' - that's where they'll go.
BingoBoingo: Surprised moiety isn't returned asking for obola asylum in Australia
nubbins`: if only i can make it to terminus
xanthyos: heh i was thinking terminus as wel
nubbins`: <joecool> kyrio: hm, i had it in wikipedia for awhile that Seal's face was mauled by dogs as a child, stayed up for a year or so
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assbot: CIDRAP: "We Believe There Is Scientific Evidence Ebola Has The Potential To Be Airborne" | Zero Hedge
danielpbarron: put patient in catapult
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assbot: Internet Scientific Publications
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron> put patient in catapult << Not necessary, warm humid atmosphere is probably sufficient. Or ISIS member with bomb vest.
assbot: Radioactive material cleaned from Boise apartment - Idaho Press-Tribune: Local
danielpbarron: i was also thinking explosion, but wanted to point out this isn't reall an innovative idea
thickasthieves: <+mircea_popescu> seti was doing it wrong /// no, no, like this:
assbot: Amazing Resonance Experiment! - YouTube
asciilifeform: thickasthieves: that experiment, described in 'flying circus of physics' among other places, was traditionally done with a violin bow.
asciilifeform: no computer needed.
thickasthieves: it's awesome thought
assbot: drawesome +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> the more developed a welfare state, the juicier a target it will appear to these travellers. << now this is an interesting point.
BingoBoingo: !up drawesome
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves well good teaching aid. otherwise kinda banal.
mircea_popescu: not to detract or anything.
decimation: "the rule-following beetle men" << asciilifeform - the same ones who would conspire to breach attorney-client privilege ;)
mircea_popescu: most certainly not.
mircea_popescu: only after it's the done thing would they flock to do it. but for now, they won't hear of it.
drawesome: Thanks BingoBoingo
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BingoBoingo: drawesome: So what do you do?
drawesome: BingoBoingo, I'm just looking
mircea_popescu: so then... drlooksome ?
drawesome: :p lol
BingoBoingo: What if he's just looking... in awe?
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thickasthieves: obv he's awesome at drawing
decimation: "Last week, a dog belonging to an Ebola-infected nurse was euthanized in Spain, causing a national outcry. " << wtf
ben_vulpes: > paintball gun
ben_vulpes: > pepperspray balls
ben_vulpes: ^^ this is a thing?!?
mircea_popescu: decimation the press is readily reporting "national outcries" of some topics but not others.
assbot: Pepperball
ben_vulpes: oh shit
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes old thing no ?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Pepperball is an over the counter thing
nubbins`: cool
nubbins`: not in canada it ain't
ben_vulpes: hey i'm an insulated american't
ben_vulpes: my naive schoolby wonder should be a thing of joy for you jaded internet fags
nubbins`: so alice and bob enter a room, the entrance of which is controlled by carol
nubbins`: you with me so far?
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ben_vulpes: antici....
assbot: Confirming that /newsweeklied is the legitimate legal defense fund for Dorian /ethankirschner, /aantonop
assbot: Snapchat Hacked: 'The Snappening' - Business Insider
BingoBoingo: AndreasMAntonopoulos ‏@aantonop 1m1 minute ago
BingoBoingo: @BBoingo No, I remember the time I tweeted source code that didn’t contain malware. Later, they added an executable with malware. Troll
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo o i see, "troll" is it ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes probably the next logical step is declaring social media users chattel and starting markets for their buying and selling.
mircea_popescu: "knock knock" "who's there ?" "i am from b-a ma'am. i bought your daughter on otc. bring her out, don't bother packing anything"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yes, pointing out Andreas spreads malware is now troll.
mircea_popescu: guy goes around neighbourhood in his vw van, taking deprs to their new basements...
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo recall scammers calling mpoe-pr a troll back in the day ?
danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, it's distruptive and rude!
mircea_popescu: idiots are so inventive, i swear.
BingoBoingo: Such repetition on their part.
BingoBoingo: Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if obola was a greek thing
mircea_popescu: of course it is ?
mircea_popescu: ;;google oboloi
gribble: Obol (coin) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; oboloi - Wiktionary: <>; Ancient Greek Money and Coins - <>
danielpbarron: EbolaCoin - the fist cryptocurrency to support ebola research!
mircea_popescu: why research ? suport the virus!
danielpbarron: proof of infection
cazalla: so the guy behind that australian bitcoin group, sam lee, is the same guy behind bitcoin reserve who got tricked into clicking a link which gave the attacker access to his gmail lol
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Update his poast to roast?
assbot: Melbourne-based bitcoin fund lost $70,000 in a cyber-attack caused by US Marshals Service
assbot: [Auction] 2 entire full toe-nail freshly ripped off!
nubbins`: probably nsfa
cazalla: BingoBoingo, i will update it
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i wonder how much btc for a lb of human clits.
mircea_popescu: i mean, pheasant tongue only takes decadence so far.
nubbins`: my friend has three pheasants
nubbins`: wait, no, partridges
nubbins`: no, wait. he has phimosis
mircea_popescu: !up chiral
chiral: \o/
chiral: winning
chiral: im telling the news
thickasthieves: welcome to the celebration of all that is perverse!
chiral: :>
assbot: Interview: Sam Lee - Silk Road auction hacking victim. - YouTube
mircea_popescu: lol wait. he got owned by the usms while using usg operated silk road ?!
mircea_popescu: !up PinkPosixPXE
cazalla: the attacked got his details from the usms list that they leaked and then pretended to be a journalist to rope him in
cazalla: attacker*
mircea_popescu: intereskin
asciilifeform: declaring social media users chattel and starting markets for their buying and selling << this is sorta SOP already...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44298 @ 0.00073464 = 32.5431 BTC [-]
decimation: !up adlai
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i meant physically.
mircea_popescu: obviously their virtual personas have long been a commodity
mircea_popescu: but maybe it's time for the 4th wall to be breached
thickasthieves: zonky: "yeah i wrote a calculator in ether, now i have to pay my computer to do math. ether is the future"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> declaring social media users chattel and starting markets for their buying and selling << this is sorta SOP already... << I mean Thiel was an early facebutt investor
kakobrekla: he saved passwords in his chrome browser.
mircea_popescu: it was built from the ground up with security in mind
mircea_popescu: oops, i mean... it was butt from the security up with a ground mind
thickasthieves: i knew these austrian guys that used to say "i made a castle" when they made a big shit
thickasthieves: dunno if that's a thing in german or whatever
decimation: Thiel implied that facebook was a general failure << << "And so we would like to say Facebook is a specific success, it must mean some general success. And so Facebook is a great business,and therefore it will solve all the world’s problems. And I think the modality I prefer to think of is, that there are specific
kakobrekla: hm, i heard that before.
decimation: successes but they may be symptomatic of general failure"
kakobrekla: the castle thing
mircea_popescu: today i learned that my name in chinses (米炮) has cannon in it!
mircea_popescu: !up gsdgdfs
thickasthieves: and a butthole icon
kakobrekla: eh my name has tits in english
thickasthieves: first icon looks like a brownstar
thickasthieves: sexond looks like stick man gettng a bj
thickasthieves: maybe it's just my font
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves you know... this is either pareidolia or else wife's been away for too long ?
BingoBoingo: <kakobrekla> eh my name has tits in english << But it means dick
thickasthieves: being around you too long is much more likely
mircea_popescu: we're thousands of miles apart!
mircea_popescu: !up bitspill_
thickasthieves: or are we?
mircea_popescu: !up rdekley_
thickasthieves: i had to look up Pareidolia
thickasthieves: yeah i do that a lot
thickasthieves: i also like pointing out people that look like people
thickasthieves: and ethnic traits
thickasthieves: and naming fonts on signs
thickasthieves: i guess it's all pattern recognition, i'm a true american!
mircea_popescu: !up timeaftertime
timeaftertime: yo any cult chirstians in here?
mircea_popescu: luke-jr_ and danielpbarron
thickasthieves: talk to luke-jr
kakobrekla: luke also does child rapes, 20bux.
timeaftertime: who's luke jr?
decimation: I'm a Christian
timeaftertime: who's danielpbarron
mircea_popescu: timeaftertime the log is in the topic, use it.
timeaftertime: decimation: what cult do you belong too?
thickasthieves: what bridge do you live under?
timeaftertime: thickasthieves:
assbot: luke-jr_ +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
mircea_popescu: !up luke-jr_
decimation: ;;dict cult
gribble: wn: cult n 1: followers of an exclusive system of religious beliefs and practices 2: an interest followed with exaggerated zeal; "he always follows the latest fads"; "it was all the rage that season" [syn: {fad}, {craze}, {furor}, {furore}, {cult}, {rage}] 3: followers of an unorthodox, extremist, or false religion or sect who often live outside of conventional society under the (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: furore ? srsly ?
thickasthieves: TIL ;;dict
mircea_popescu: it's not even what it means.
luke-jr_: yeah, I was going to object to cult, but the dictionary says it's okay
timeaftertime: lets google danielpbarron
thickasthieves: logs link has a search
thickasthieves: also you can use !s in here and with assbot
thickasthieves: !s danielpbarron
assbot: 2226 results for 'danielpbarron' :
thickasthieves: there, stalk away
mircea_popescu: im kinda curious what the mix of computer programming and neoprotestant fervor will yield.
mircea_popescu: i mean it did mate with rock to yield that xtian rock thingee
mircea_popescu: it's pretty fertile
timeaftertime: how about Luke-Jr
timeaftertime: hes a calvinist
thickasthieves: i had a christian punk band on my label in the 2000s
Luke-Jr: I'm Catholic
mircea_popescu: The Glam Nuns Band would be pretty rad.
thickasthieves: just melodic skater punk, not mohawkz and chainz
mircea_popescu: skanker punk is now punk ?!
thickasthieves: skateboarder
thickasthieves: cali style punk
timeaftertime: Darwin clearly does not believe anyone but Darwin Fish is faithfully teaching the truth of God's Word.
timeaftertime: that = cult
assbot: A True Church | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry
thickasthieves: there's actually a dedicated punk christain label
timeaftertime: i dont care
thickasthieves: Tooth & Nail Records
assbot: Partner With CARM | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry
mircea_popescu: !down timeaftertime
mircea_popescu: come back when you've fixed it.
Luke-Jr: timeaftertime: why link that heretical site?
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nubbins`: groan
nubbins`: "time after time" is now in my head, notbad.jpg
nubbins`: ;;google time after time
gribble: Cyndi Lauper - Time After Time - YouTube: <>; The Voice UK 2014 Blind Auditions Sophie May Williams 'Time After ...: <>; Eva Cassidy - Time After Time - YouTube: <>
thickasthieves: such singalongability
nubbins`: sindy lopper
assbot: Cyndi Lauper - Time After Time - YouTube
mircea_popescu: not bad.
nubbins`: sɪndi lawpər
nubbins`: her boyfriend does not like her new haircut
thickasthieves: some of the cover versions are pretty good too
thickasthieves: i dont remember this video at all, lol
Luke-Jr: well, he sure was boring
mircea_popescu: misguided dedication usually ends up that way
assbot: Cyndi Lauper - The Goonies 'R' Good Enough - YouTube
assbot: A Diamond is Forever and Other Fairy Tales: The Relationship between Wedding Expenses and Marriage Duration by Andrew M. Francis, Hugo M. Mialon :: SSRN
kakobrekla: 20:21:35: <ehird> I hope asciilifeform open sources his FPGA flash disk card < heh, somewhere on irc, in 2009.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: he was probably talking about a gizmo i was considering building long ago - an esdi hard disk emulator (for use in ancient 'symbolics' lisp machine.)
kakobrekla: no need for that anymore eh
asciilifeform: the ancient hdd in these (such as my 3620) is always the most fragile part, being mechanical and very old (1986 in my case)
asciilifeform: still very much a need - for folks who really give a damn
Luke-Jr: kakobrekla: why not? it might still be interesting
asciilifeform: those 'fujutsu eagles' won't run forever.
asciilifeform: *fujitsu
Luke-Jr: nubbins`: nice, I spent $0 on marriage ;P
dub: you don't have a wife you have a slave
X-Rob: asciilifeform: they already exist.
asciilifeform: they do. golden toilet, cost $maxint.
dub: surprising luke and mp don't get along better
asciilifeform: and, last i tried to buy, wasn't even available where claimed.
assbot: Confirming that /newsweeklied is the legitimate legal defense fund for Dorian /ethankirschner, /aantonop
BingoBoingo: @aantonop Wait, you are the one with victims, but I am the troll? @DanielJonss @DorianSatoshi @newsweeklied @ethankirschner
mircea_popescu: nubbins` great paper lol
mircea_popescu: dub don't knock slavery as a domestic arrangement. beats any alternative.
X-Rob: asciilifeform: so now I'm intrigued and trying to find one myself, and ... you appear to be right
mircea_popescu: o look... i made a pun!
BingoBoingo: The truly scary thing is that as periperal as Andreas is... I think he has more fans than compromised Gavin and Hearn together.
BingoBoingo: Fuck astroturf is expensive
asciilifeform: X-Rob: there aren't all that many folks who actually want to -use- museum-grade machinery with any regularity.
asciilifeform: X-Rob: people mostly get by with ancient disks.
BingoBoingo: Or compact flash
X-Rob: asciilifeform: I'm a collector of old Z80 hardware.
BingoBoingo: generally plugs into IDE
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the whole discussion was a modern-flash to esdi adapter
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: no ide or scsi in these
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you're only computing one variable. his superficial fans aren't realyl worth all that much
X-Rob: ST-506 is the way to go
BingoBoingo: Wait, people use adapters and don't just cup their balls and ope shit works?
mircea_popescu: Dot TK is the only top level domain name registry that provides free domain names. Get your free domain name today, before it's gone.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: entirely different protocols. prior to modern-age ata and scsi, disk interfaces generally were more involved with the actual drive mechanics (head selection/motion, etc)
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo you're only computing one variable. his superficial fans aren't realyl worth all that much << On this axis. I've met fans of his IRL which I can't understand.
asciilifeform: disks didn't really have on-board controllers as such. just an analogue amp.
nubbins`: free as in
X-Rob: that appears to be the closest, asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well, worthless in any sense we'd care. obviously he can sell them shaving cream or w/e it is he does for a living.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well these are the sorts of fucktards that wear "please rob me" BTC t-shirts and slacks
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Are you using 1/8" or 1/4" plugs to talk to thise disks
asciilifeform doesn't get the eight-inch reference here
mircea_popescu: "Mirror site if this site is slow"
mircea_popescu: jesus remember the days pure html sites had problems with cpu usage ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: two ribbons.
X-Rob: asciilifeform: that's very very current stuff. 2 weeks old.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You see that's the mistake. Talk to every device as if the conversation is an accident. Use the auido plugs.
BingoBoingo: What is audio but undisciplined serial?
nubbins`: btc slacks!!
asciilifeform: i bet BingoBoingo built his own 'covox speechthing' clone in the '90s like the rest of us.
BingoBoingo didn't have computer till this century, simply shocked self with disposable camera capacitor and then got the point
ben_vulpes: <danielpbarron> proof of infection << now i want a coin with proof of infraction
asciilifeform: proof of infarction.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Wait, people made those in sufficient quantity to make labels?
X-Rob: asciilifeform: I played around with the Vortrax when I was a young bloke. That was a precursor to that I believe.
ben_vulpes: it was either going to be you or mircea_popescu, asciilifeform :P
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> <danielpbarron> proof of infection << now i want a coin with proof of infraction << artery, needle, glue
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'covox' was an actual product. and there was a similar item, 'disney sound source' (yes!)
BingoBoingo: WTF did I miss.
X-Rob: oooh, hang on
BingoBoingo: Now you're going to tell me fuckign Amiga actually outdid Macs and used a 6860 chip
X-Rob: is that the old crappy parallel-to-audio-out crappy sound thing?
asciilifeform: X-Rob: yes, precisely that one
X-Rob: bahahaha
X-Rob: I made one of them!
X-Rob: bunch of resistors and a parallel port
X-Rob: I was so happy.
kakobrekla: afaik resistor ladder dacs are still the shit these days
mircea_popescu: mostly because by now they can be made within microohm
asciilifeform: there are not so many ways to do a dac.
kakobrekla: just thought i would fit in
ben_vulpes: hey this is the wrong kind of dac for this channel
ben_vulpes: how can i dissipate max energy with other people's public keys, i ask you
BingoBoingo: Why did USB ever become a thing when microphone is much good nao
X-Rob: aww man that brings back me playing kings quest and leisure suite larry
X-Rob: with my computer MAKING REAL SOUNDS. IT was amazing.
asciilifeform: it was.
mircea_popescu: we should have a bot that processes BingoBoingo's last six lines and calculates his blood alcohol
asciilifeform: microphone << as a kid, i had some cassettes from my brother, who had bk-0010 at school. all i could do was throw them in a tape deck & listen.
X-Rob: asciilifeform: I have some kids. They're... 9 and 6. These kids will never know what it's like to not have internet. This AMAZES me.
asciilifeform: X-Rob: they might learn very soon...
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> !up PinkPosixPXE << now this is one of the better handle's i've seen lately
mircea_popescu: X-Rob like, remember back before dlh ? kids had to actually work for their gaming experience ?
X-Rob: asciilifeform: who's bombing whom?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ikr ?
asciilifeform: X-Rob: no need for nukefest, there are other variants.
X-Rob: mircea_popescu: Pfft. These bastards with their saves and retries and everything. When we lost our third life, we had to start again from world 1, level 1!
asciilifeform: (though nobody cancelled nukes)
ben_vulpes: !up PinkPosixPXE
X-Rob: Well if they could hold off for a while, I'm off to the US this week for a fortnight
ben_vulpes: you still around, PinkPosixPXE?
X-Rob: at least let me get back to australia
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> we should have a bot that processes BingoBoingo's last six lines and calculates his blood alcohol << Note how much controls along this axis have improved though
mircea_popescu: i struggled my entire childhood with captain comic
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mircea_popescu: eventually finished it as an adult, playing with my also adult sister
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo true
mircea_popescu: ;;google captain comic
gribble: Captain Comic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; RGB Classic Games - Play The Adventures of Captain Comic online: <>; Captain Comics, Boise, ID | Comics, Cards, Games, Posters, Cards ...: <>
ben_vulpes: joke in url
asciilifeform: comic << lol, grandfather of 'commander keen'
mircea_popescu: stupid fucking lamp
mircea_popescu: and stupid fucking capslock teleport
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> im kinda curious what the mix of computer programming and neoprotestant fervor will yield. << have you met TempleOS yet?
mircea_popescu: 200 holes
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes that's just a spec i bet.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: came up here several times
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: for all his sin-sistience, mircea_popescu does miss things in the logs
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo true << I really can't blog drunk nao without excess effort and no golden toilets were purchased. FUKU NBC
ben_vulpes: templeos is esoteric enough to have slipped his radar
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: spec for carving kiwis, or a zealotous os?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i didn't miss templeos!
mircea_popescu: and a spec as in, spec of dust.
ben_vulpes rolls eyes
ben_vulpes: no srsly we run templeos in production
ben_vulpes: btcd on templeos
mircea_popescu: don't rolls your eyes at me, mista!
ben_vulpes doesn't even know if that's possible
ben_vulpes: maybe a spec
ben_vulpes: IN GODS EYE
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: templeos is nice if you know what to expect.
assbot: Captain Comic : Full walkthrough (PC Version) - YouTube
BingoBoingo: basically temple os offers an giant x86-64 box of sand.
BingoBoingo: And... nothing else.
ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> sindy lopper << sindy loper << a+++ would boot again
BingoBoingo: No sanity checks
BingoBoingo: No angels from heaven.
BingoBoingo: Pretty much temple os is the 40 years stumbling around the sainai
nubbins`: bed time
ben_vulpes: aw c'mon nubbins` it's only what 1130?
ben_vulpes: 2330?
assbot: Confirming that /newsweeklied is the legitimate legal defense fund for Dorian /ethankirschner, /aantonop
cazalla: legitimate but now it may be a scam
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> o look... i made a pun! << had to look twice
ben_vulpes: can't tell if light logs or light fiatcorp workload
BingoBoingo: cazalla: he called me troll because I said true he spread malware
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: presumably in his mind, it somehow 'doesn't count' if you spread 'unknowingly' - just like spreading obola is 'unknowing' until satan signs your death certificate with the word
cazalla: BingoBoingo, he will be in town next month, perhaps i take the video camera for an exclusive
asciilifeform read 'newsweeklied' in the style of 'horst wessel lied' - should probably go to sleep
BingoBoingo: Fuck, even tradefartress at least pretended to be ashamed when he was "haxxed"
mircea_popescu: cazalla harassing dimwitted bums may be a waste of time
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: what to expect << i expect nothing, and so to be pleasantly surprised. is this a contradiction?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: No, we know you identify as dog. Kind of dog is import nao.
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