asciilifeform: not sure why that thing made such an impression on me
asciilifeform: decimation: with the disappearance of forced use of tape to push the requisite bit heaps, no longer any reason for dedicated 'video computer'
asciilifeform: from my understanding, u.s. civilian real estate chumpmeisters are split into two camps - the optimists, who intend to buy the old folks' homes using 'reverse mortgages' - pensions, appealing to folks with destroyed or absent savings, which bargain away the property - and then sell them back to young chumps;
asciilifeform: i'm assuming everybody else here who read the thing, was stumped similarly
asciilifeform: was an ftp full of nice stuff, that one could never get quite enough of, and consequently was tempted to buy the disk
asciilifeform: davout: hence this idea. it did not come from empty space.
asciilifeform: nubbins: use the usb3 jacks. sd simply sucks.
asciilifeform: usb miner was quite another thing from the item here. it promised mega-riches to chumps, and attracted a certain kind of crowd.
asciilifeform: (it's simply a 3-line sh)
asciilifeform: ru intends to match usa at the 'let's pretend to be cretins' olympics.
asciilifeform: decimation: lately they skimp, and use gigantic plastic simulacra of these, in neon colours, filled with rancid rainwater
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha. toy computer needs a little bit of own variant
asciilifeform: (if don't know, learn where the x GHz clock comes from. pll multiplicator of an ordinary quartz! compounded error)
asciilifeform: 2) added c++03 flag, my crosscompiler spewed chunder without it
asciilifeform: just replace the cross-compile gcc with your normal one.
asciilifeform: a deterministic builder of statically linked 0.5.3.xxxxx. for arbitrary cross-compiler. and ran. and turd runs on pogo.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: notice that folks who actually need the cesium fountain for practical work do not bother with the metaphysics. but simply end up defining precise timebase as 'the thing that, if any noisier, now you can't geolocate but to +/-1km...'
asciilifeform: as far as anyone has been able to determine to date, the atom does not temporally misbehave, and so it can be used as clock to the limits of the measurement precision.
asciilifeform: i generally don't discuss music with musical folks because 100% of the time it turns out that they are trying to accomplish something very different with their time
asciilifeform: piano keyboard is meaningless to me. despite plenty of time spent attempted.
asciilifeform is one of those people who can easily compose in his head, incl. polyphony, but can't output
asciilifeform: (summary: walkthrough for construction of simple ecdsa backdoor, for n00bs)
asciilifeform: i don't even believe, necessarily, that they have achieved anything. but in a logically distinct hypothesis that the snowden papers do not prove 'usg is impotent' any more than the famous kgb defections of the '70-80s proved that soviet intelligence was dead
asciilifeform: 'progressives' like to trot out examples of 'the people of the past could not buy an ipNohe for any price'
asciilifeform: perhaps after usg implodes he can buy some people to fill it with
asciilifeform: used him as example because folks here all (?) read him and mr t expounds at great length re: 'what it means to really live'
asciilifeform: if i could live like, e.g., taleb, for 20 years, with the understanding of being impaled after - i would. i don't particularly need being fifty for anything.
asciilifeform: chump money that you 'have' somewhere - is not income.
asciilifeform: add a zero if you want complete isolation from economic reality
asciilifeform: 'sleep ad libitum' costs ~100kusd+ of specifically -non-wage- income, for example.
asciilifeform: for example, we know that he decided to have not one but even two childre
asciilifeform: mr mold's example was, if i recall, his '300/mo. book bill'
asciilifeform: afaik it was an example. he wanted to somehow bring the pre-ww1 dynasties back.
asciilifeform: hence example.
asciilifeform: a somewhat arbitrary example - lexis nexis.
asciilifeform: (it costs employer little or nothing, as the vendors the chumps are herded into using - usually pay.)
asciilifeform: sometimes this is even included as... an employment perk. at some megacorps.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: modernized version of this sc4m4tr0n is 'services' where chump pays subscription (xx months Phr33333! l1mit3d t1m3!!!11) to get 'rewards' (coupons for things that he won't use / don't exist / end up costing even more than for others)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ...see how many COUPONS you find. to "save" generally 5-10 bux << popular chumpatronic device in usa, but fading on accout of the demise of dead tree newspapers
asciilifeform: it does. simply not everyone has a nose.
asciilifeform: simply to lazily avoid making yet another change to bitcoind.
asciilifeform: timestamp on fs only works if we had the correct time once
asciilifeform: it is then tempting to omit ntp entirely...
asciilifeform: so i'm not averse to simply having it reboot weekly or so
asciilifeform: when seals were stamped onto the pages in the binder, the thread - originally white - would turn blue, black, red, depending on the colour of the seal on that page
asciilifeform: hanbot: for various reasons, brown was a good 'example to be made'
asciilifeform: the 'let's run complex proggies in the browser' thing is monumentally retarded. esp. in light of how it actually works in practice (e.g. js and its all-numerics-are-floats, etc)
asciilifeform: it simply needs to get off the planet. it is an instrument of muppetry, plain and simple.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: because you showed symptoms of understanding correctly how it works
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i sorta assumed that you either read it, or had it read to you, or wrote compatible gadget
asciilifeform: an actual computer would have, at minimum, an 'oven' oscillator (capsule can also house rng.) or even rubidium oscillator.
asciilifeform: interesting example of latvia, where, iirc, the greater share of adult men are on 'european tour' (sweeping floors in germany for hourly wage)
asciilifeform: decimation: the two habitual mac users i work with just threw out their unicomps (i think they were..) and bought actual 'model m' each.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: what i utterly fail to grasp is why the 'unicomp' is even a thing, when actual 'model m' can be had for 20-50 usd. in working condition (if perhaps in need of a bath)
asciilifeform is compiling a mutilated linux kernel as we speak
asciilifeform: unicomp << a colleague of mine just threw one out. worn springs after ~1 year.
asciilifeform: (earlier links in log, to english examples.)
asciilifeform: as i understand, this is simply cost-cutting to the bone.
asciilifeform: so we just want a simple brutal beast of 0.5.3-on-a-unix-box ?
asciilifeform: i'd suggest sticking a simple status display (blocks synched, connection count) on port 80.
asciilifeform: presently backing up the original contents, to restore later (why? so can test auto-diddler that pumps in everything in one go.)
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: does he actually do two-way traffic in those, or does he simply have a perl script to broadcast his utterances every which way.
asciilifeform: mats: net-connected air filters, etc. << the 'hammurabic' punishment for having built such a thing ought to be, perhaps, to be placed in a net-connected electric chair for a few days. can be turned on by, e.g., an snmp packet.
asciilifeform: 'If the bootROM detects the 64-bit UART boot pattern (0xBB 0x11 0x22 0x33 0x44 0x55 0x66 0x77) injected by the user, as an indication to start the Xmodem protocol and the UART boot process); it configures the appropriate MPPs to operate as UA0_RXD and UA0_TXD, as in the previous sub-section and starts the Xmodem protocol to load the image from UART to the DDR.'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: probably among the most famous examples thereof
asciilifeform: if seriously contemplating this, it is absolutely essential that 'the sapper not err'
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu posed a question re: what might be the cheapest reasonably-compact machine that will run 0.5.3.
asciilifeform: a year if you buy their idiot chumpcloud thing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it would be quite simple to distribute a binary image that a monkey could pipe to usb flash and insert. for man, rather than monkey, one would prefer a 'thebitcoin.foundation'-style cookbook with signed configs/patches...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: near the end of that page there is a script for cross-compile to mips on a larger machine (e.g. x86)
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: i was sorta assuming that mircea was posing the problem of whether a node could be optimized for 1) minimal cost 2) physical compactness in that order, perhaps to be airdropped behind enemy lines
asciilifeform: basic example.
asciilifeform: !s the camel has two humps
asciilifeform: the author mostly resisted the temptation to add crud
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'm speaking as someone who went in for a 'computer science' diploma at an entirely unremarkable american uni.
asciilifeform: mats: if application is safety-critical, buy a series of samples and test to destruction.
asciilifeform: choice, if any, was when jumping.
asciilifeform: i, for one, would rather like to see the machine-gun taken away from the baby, and only then contemplate military strategy
asciilifeform: jumping up and down, to show that your legs work, is an example of what zoologists called 'honest signal'
asciilifeform: 'changetip,' as i understand, answers two usg desires: 1) injection of tard armies into bitcoin, fodder for gavinization 2) the old, tired 'let's put some names/faces/palmprints/arsebook histories on as many btc addrs as we can'
asciilifeform: davout: he's become a kind of proverbial example here, of certain kinds of behaviour
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: in the mid-20th-c., world split into 'prison' and 'psych ward' camps. 'hard' and 'soft'-power, respectively.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: something that takes an ever rarer class of chump to believe.
asciilifeform: and are perpetually tempted to skip the other, honest set, entirely
asciilifeform: not necessarily on account of being stupid. a flunkie, lying from a position of desperation (our friend) - is overcome by anxiety, which inhibits creativity. on the other hand, an official liar, lying from a position of brute strength (e.g., keith alexander), is hobbled by complacency.
asciilifeform: gavinandresen: another question: why precisely do you wish to rescue those who might be tempted to use 'substitutes' for bitcoin ?
asciilifeform: the whole concept of a 'sidechain' is an elaborate chumpatron.
asciilifeform: and by being crafted to give the opposite impression.
asciilifeform: i, for one, would simply like some non-weasel answers to a few basic questions.
asciilifeform: how many need to implode before folks open a game theory textbook and understand that the correct number of blockchains is one ?
asciilifeform: artifexd: the linked article was a very basic example of 'kleptography' (see our old thread)
asciilifeform: gavinandresen: or how otherwise compensate for a 20-fold growth in storage requirement
asciilifeform: decimation: wash., d.c. area specifically. swamp.
asciilifeform: ^ example
asciilifeform: 'improve your memory, guaranteed, with scientology therapy.' ('popular mechanics,' 1958. classified ad.)
asciilifeform: speaking of diamonds (specifically of the synthetic variety), one possible observation here - not concerning the idiocy of the wood thing as such - is that anyone demanding a specific 'colour' (as per the 'monolith' essay) - i.e. provenance - of object, is begging to be chumped
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: last i heard, not impaled yet
asciilifeform: 'financial discipline' was the imf standard pill for all of eastern europe all through the 90s << it meant, simply, 'privatization' by usg shills.
asciilifeform: the traffic-obeying-impedence and other fluid dynamics laws has been known for ages.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: in real life, the jams begin immediately after the road is widened. because impedence mismatch, elementary. nothing to do with the population around the road, on that timescale.
asciilifeform: bigger roads.. traffic worse << impedence mismatch. see also example, 'belady's anomaly', in computing/electronics
asciilifeform: seems like the question re: the linked article is, can one have the card players compute an arbitrary function (without them knowing) by having them play out a certain position
asciilifeform: it was, in fact, a basic toy chumpatron. the inspiration for my article re: same.
asciilifeform: every year i go to my local university's tech exhibit. there is always this one greybeard who runs their si fab, and he has some old wafers, etc. he also has a 'look in this box and press red button.' inside: svga display with graphics demo. the stamp on the box is some time in the '90s.
asciilifeform: incidentally, the security implications of a good head-worn computer display suggest that no such thing will be permitted to exist while usg has any say on the subject.
asciilifeform suggests that after folks are tired of 'smart watches', which proved that it is possible to build a device even more cramped/antiergonomic than a pNohe - electronics vendors should build touch screens in pencil erasers.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that was my impression
asciilifeform: http://www.spiegel.de/media/media-35676.pdf << data exfiltration protocol implementation guide
asciilifeform: aha. for chumps.
asciilifeform: http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/new-snowden-docs-indicate-scope-of-nsa-preparations-for-cyber-battle-a-1013409.html << arguably the first genuinely interesting snowdenism. with actual crapware samples, protocol docs.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: 'terrorism' article: where would you place osman empire on the 'law/terror' map?
asciilifeform: this assumes a universally agreed upon timestamp mechanism, yes.
asciilifeform: this is a considerably less-fantastic scenario than it would have appeared to be in the '90s, because of the 'nintendoization' of computing. gpg simply won't appear in the apple and microshit 'app stores' and thereby vanish
asciilifeform: undata: at some point it will be forbidden in usa to sell or even own a computer which can meaningfully run classic gpg
asciilifeform: this is considerably harder (in practice, likely impossible) with fp instead of id
asciilifeform: davout: picture if you were trying to pass a document off as having been signed by X. you generate a key with the correct name, etc. and colliding keyid, then try to pass it off as the genuine article; then, when chumps swallow it, sign with it
asciilifeform: davout: a little subtler than that. the original assumption was that you would only ever verify sigs from folks you had a proper key party with
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: none afaik. the standard simply sucks.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but i'm willing to believe that there are newer, more appealing chumpatrons
asciilifeform: next time contemplating the raving insanity of 'reddit' bitcoin users, etc. - read these.
asciilifeform was simply floored with mindfuck that anyone would choose google's turdlang for a piece of critical infrastructure, and could not resist ringing the bell
asciilifeform: i'll run own client. (will tweak it for compatibility with the rest of you, when i have a little time.) and invite anyone who wishes, to read.
asciilifeform: i know of no reason to put one lick of trust in its crypto libs, for example.
asciilifeform: it isn't simply an 'other language', it's a massive toolchain created and maintained by a usg satrap.
asciilifeform: would like, for example, to run on that.
asciilifeform: cross-compiling ?
asciilifeform: or is it a kind of chumpatronic acid trip, like lotteries
asciilifeform: 'My suggestion was quite simple: Put that needed code number in a little capsule, and then implant that capsule right next to the heart of a volunteer. The volunteer would carry with him a big, heavy butcher knife as he accompanied the President. If ever the President wanted to fire nuclear weapons, the only way he could do so would be for him first, with his own hands, to kill one human being.'
asciilifeform: (i can think of perhaps one or two ways, but labour competition is quite certainly not one of them)
asciilifeform isn't certain that 'computer geeks' - as commonly understood - were yet ever involved with bitcoin in appreciable numbers
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: mr mold's interest in programming language design, somehow, did not extend to any attempt at self-hosting the apparatus. the bulk of his code, iirc, is in straight c.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the urbit samples seem to consist of 'hello world'-style toys
asciilifeform: decimation: nsa is the largest employer of folks with any type of maths degree in usa.
asciilifeform: 'fun' discovery of the day. freebsd 'tmpfs' created under kernel built with gcc will not be mounted by kernel built with llvm.
asciilifeform: http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/01/nsa-employee-will-continue-to-co-chair-influential-crypto-standards-group << mega-lol
asciilifeform: (who typically succumbs to the temptation of using hw-accelerates, e.g., aes? - folks setting up vpn or otherwise bridging nets with serious traffic. aka delicious targets for usg.)
asciilifeform: curiously, it even has a hardware galois field multiplier. to tempt folks using elliptic curves.
asciilifeform: though there is an elaborate dance where folks implement xxxx and then pretend it wasn't using leaked/nda docs
asciilifeform: supplied, afaik exclusively, by satan's loyal imps.
asciilifeform assumes his isp is the mitm vector of choice, and hence does not regard router as a serious hardened component. but has many problems with reliability and programmability of the usual consumer turdware.
asciilifeform: useful-things-announcement: a fairly civilized router, turns out, is one 'edgerouter lite' - 3 gigabit ports. mips64 processor with fairly good docs. nuke the vendor's turdware and install *bsd of your choice. the interesting thing about this gadget is that the firmware lives on an (internal) removable usb stick. can pull, examine, modify on standard comp, even theoretically install read-only unit.
asciilifeform: then i can finally write 'mein kampf.'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for example, it will become possible to write a book about how the damn thing works.
asciilifeform: and was already an accomplished hater of the language.
asciilifeform: not like anbything prevents the man from putting an announcement... "MP was right... << impalement ?
asciilifeform: '...and to insure that we are compliant' << lol!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: blown away that the point that an eulogy's job is to illustrate how great the deceased was and how worthless the world by comparison is somehow controversial << their problem is with the second half of the sentence. which is, of course, entirely like disdaining one side of the battery
asciilifeform: just as one example
asciilifeform: idiotically complex solution to a quite simple problem, and there is no opting out if you want compatibility with anything
asciilifeform: and how does your $library actually implement this
asciilifeform: "oh, we included code but we had no idea what it does" sort of approach to code-is-spec specwork << this is actually a very serious boojum, beyond what most realize. i'll give example.
asciilifeform: not necessarily. a binary signed with pgp is example of out-of-band.
asciilifeform: 70 dollar tampon << pure win
asciilifeform: one memorable scene. germans waste a village, shown in glorious detail (complete with barns nailed shut, set alight, etc, etc). on their way out, get ambushed and mowed down. including their hot chick nurse, but she's not entirely dead. hero (boy) walks along and finds this. takes a look at the chick, who is bleeding and looking seductively at him. then he sees bandage pack on ground. decides to bandage broken stock of his rif
asciilifeform: best example i know of, of this animal, is one jaron lanier
asciilifeform: 'digerati', as i understand, encompasses a set of peculiarly wealthy ('dotcom boom', normally, but often barnacled to this or that mega-corp success of some vaguely computerized sort 1980-2000)
asciilifeform: to follow the analogy, rms was offered computer that came with 'strings' - promise not to xxx, etc. went off to make own.
asciilifeform: rms might say, 'i'll leave you with your slave, you leave me with my computer'
asciilifeform: it's about the inevitable war of the state and its shitminions vs. the concept of the general-purpose computer.
asciilifeform: usg dept. of computing.
asciilifeform: see the semmelweis example. it doesn't much matter that he advocated 'wash hands' because the cockroaches and spiders in his head told him to, rather than some better reason.
asciilifeform: 'Stallman complained that anything of good quality remains...' << rms is a counterweight.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: finland better example
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'at no point was the FSF an important force on the field.' << though history isn't an experimental science, we are getting a kind of picture of what we may have ended up with much sooner, without rms
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: interestingly, back when there was a roughly similar 'messianic' cargo cult around pgp (the original pgp) - the folks involved more or less missed all the interesting implications of their toy.
asciilifeform: ^ i noticed this when writing the 'mpex review' article
asciilifeform: the article phrased a little differently: 'smartphone... much like ak... simply not useful'
asciilifeform: it had employees !?!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu could have ended up writing monte carlo sims for implosion tampers on gigantic trinary computer. in refal.
asciilifeform: with bait component
asciilifeform: chumpatron
asciilifeform: xe4l: student exercise in traffic analysis. http://sleipnir.syari.net/pool/graphs.html?Month << litecoin miner graphs. say which ones are chumpnet-powered.
asciilifeform: (re: general chumpatronics. begs to be photodiddled.)
asciilifeform: decimation: neh. something more like a 'new, shiny, xxxxx' reimplementation in $trendylang
asciilifeform: *impressive
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wunderwaffen that doesn't have to defeat the enemy, but look impressibe - is a little easier.
asciilifeform: 'mplayer'
asciilifeform: cve is the sec. research equivalent of the 1990s 'winamp playlist' (who remembers these ?)
asciilifeform: and 'installs' (i.e. chumps)
asciilifeform: like most chumpnets.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as a reverse engineer, i find examples of 'crippleware designed to be annoying to fix' conceptually interesting wherever i find it
asciilifeform: (is 'ar' simply alias for the well-known 'm16' ?)
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i merely thought it was odd that you brought up two figures who are not, afaik, known to have invented anything as examples of inventor
asciilifeform: aha. coordination complex.
asciilifeform associates that company exclusively with spam
asciilifeform: the judge, afaik, is a kind of mechanical component here and is operating within specced envelope
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asciilifeform: http://academia.stackexchange.com/questions/35154/whether-to-tell-his-prospective-employer-that-a-new-male-post-doc-opposes-affirm << found this by pure accident. linking here just for mircea_popescu's butterfly collection.
asciilifeform: a: 'orcs came and burned my village to the ground' b: 'shuddup, enough whinging, do something to improve yer lot'
asciilifeform: head of captain of former champion team.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ah, simply suggesting that one could allow folks to speak on a cell by blocktelegraphing in
asciilifeform: ('graph' of the microshit office, 'comparison of efficiencies', vs graph theoretic kind)
asciilifeform: i make regular trips to my university maths/physical sciences library. there is a substantial comp-sci/discretes section there. i pull out, seriously, a book, one in three, random page - a graph. for almost precisely this, the comparison between the warm and the soft.
asciilifeform: at least the computing turdmeisters don't (yet) prove systemd superiority by photograph << actually.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'brain activation' folks are simply a somewhat more 'photogenic' version of the rest of usg academia, where virtually every physical science 'result', almost without exception, concerns some spurious correlation of this and that
asciilifeform: see turkish example for how.
asciilifeform: but the receiver being indistinguishable from an empty wall plug - no.
asciilifeform: decimation: or did you simply mean the proverbial future of the gasenwagen, where the mere act of transmitting cryptostrange is a gassing offense
asciilifeform: in many cases these folks are literally 'employed' to create chaos - as in, they get a pension, in return for... doing just that
asciilifeform: very simple formula: the 'barbarians' are in fact employees of the swedish (french, british, american - each case) government, aka usg, in good standing.
asciilifeform: it's simply rudderless w/out gribble
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this kind of thing worked in 'tribal' structure, where most folks are reasonably 'close to the soil' and grow/kill the necessities of life personally. i suppose it also works in a concentration camp - though, iirc, these also typically have a kind of scrip and so aren't entirely free of currency.
asciilifeform: at some point, usd will no longer be a 'convertible' unit. completing its transition to equivalent of the soviet ruble.
asciilifeform: and if a 'luser' won't read or can't remember the genuine fingerprint, and won't write it down, whatever - he has no business owning computer
asciilifeform: retrieve, develop (as in photograph), extract audio with simple analogue computer.
asciilifeform: i imagine mpex as consisting of three gurlz, in a box, in shifts, and a console.
asciilifeform: mpex was not the inspiration for my version of the concept, but was the impetus for my coming to believe that it is buildable and worth confessing to people about
asciilifeform: adlai: the way i understand it, we have at least three people right here who came up with very similar - but different in important respects - attempted solutions.
asciilifeform: good example of clumsy and very threadbare attempt at 'retrofit'
asciilifeform: artifexd: for sufficiently simple quanta, it is very easy to 'verify received' without duplicating all the cruft of tcp.
asciilifeform: well, 'platonic tor' is simply that a large number of people agree to 'play non-broken telephone' between me and a destination.
asciilifeform: just seems like an attempt to build a stove-refrigerator hybrid. yes, can be done, yes, in some sense these are complementary machines. but - challenge.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the tidbit that escapes me is how you came upon the idea that default-signed would empower, rather than lower into pederasty, the 'anonymous derp'
asciilifeform: better example
asciilifeform: merely examples of people who took weeks, rather than days
asciilifeform: in practice, derp can often masquerade as simply an underenthusiastic or overworked 'actual person' for a spell.
asciilifeform laboured under an impression that 'actual paedo' is a rather uncommon thing, and hence their over-representation in sc4mz0rd0m is something in need of a logical explanation
asciilifeform: if signatures were expected, impersonation would be strictly a preet-stole-key-and-i-didnt-pull-pin-in-time matter.
asciilifeform: who among those present, other than mircea_popescu, wishes to be impersonateable (deniable) by default ?
asciilifeform also formed this impression.
asciilifeform will, likely, happily play with whatever apparatus you folks come up with, but wishes that the choice be an informed one on the part of the implementers, rather than happenstance.
asciilifeform: by way of a considerably simpler design
asciilifeform: it is quite impossible to sign your ip address if you communicate via courier who may stop at one of sixteen ports.
asciilifeform: in no small part because i cannot really picture my impalement or reprieve as hinging on attribution of what i've said
asciilifeform gets a distinct impression that mircea_popescu is still thinking of the adversary as being bound by laws, courts, procedures of evidence-gathering.
asciilifeform: (contrieved example)
asciilifeform: when i grunt on the impalement pole, i will probably not be able to deny these words either, to the inquisitor, for the same reason
asciilifeform: but this is an 'informal bug-ridden implementation' of message signing.
asciilifeform: how many of the folks present are ready to believe that this 'asciilifeform' is the same animal they are accustomed to enduring the company of in #b-a ?
asciilifeform: trust is simply an obsolete, pre-scientific word.
asciilifeform: artifexd: next thing you know we're doing lamport clocks.
asciilifeform: in the end, you end up with a poor reimplementation of 'blockchain' anyway
asciilifeform: to create temporary warps in the fabric of wot.
asciilifeform: to attempt to disrupt signal, locate mirrors
asciilifeform: hawala is more or less the same, but implemented in the informal, mouth-to-ear way contemplated above.
asciilifeform: under the contemplated scheme, i may as well not bother to use wot then
asciilifeform: that is an ad-hoc, bug-ridden reimplementation of the blockchain!
asciilifeform: which in this one respect is an arguable improvement over the hypothetical apparatus
asciilifeform: during these five days, how many sc4mz0rs will find themselves temporarily rehabilitated ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: complicates your design a bit, as now you have two classes of message
asciilifeform: only if it, as it does presently, lives in just one specially-designated temple
asciilifeform: now answer under what circumstances one can accept a loss of even one packet of WoT computation.
asciilifeform: perhaps root of disagreement is that i originally contemplated something more along the lines of a very fast usenet, rather than potentially slow chat.
asciilifeform: bitcoin implements one variant of this.
asciilifeform: and it is accomplished by people talking to one another: 'have you heard xxxxx?' 'nope, do tell.' or 'sure, heard all about it.'
asciilifeform: actually i envision a department hastily assembled, of folks much like myself but underemployed, set to work on it.
asciilifeform: answer is, for the same reason that, after a certain date, rifle calibers were X inch sixteenth lines and not some random contemporary fellow's little finger.
asciilifeform: but that was merely one example.
asciilifeform: not suggesting that 'anonymity' warrants complicating design, but if it can be dropped by the gods from the sky at no cost, no reason not to pick up.
asciilifeform: artifexd: it is also necessary that they have no temporal correlation to anything.