mircea_popescu: so thinking further on the project to compare ecdsa libraries from yest... i guess the best thing would be to email respectable crypto people see if they want to do it as a contracted job. anyone wish to make recommendations ?
mats: colin percival, moxie
TomServo: kakobrekla | i just find the whole fetch command thing silly. << If it was named scoopdog that'd be one thing...
joecool: hm i wonder if he ever pops on irc, his co has a small channel
mircea_popescu: experience over the past few years shows that answer is generally yes
mats: 'defense' is kinda misleading imo
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mircea_popescu: "fix the damned software" "nu-uh, we'd rather look for bugs in the chinese's" "they're using the same shit, you know"
mats: ...suggesting that computers as they are can be proportionally defended, rather than a contest of risk management and attack surface
mircea_popescu: mats if i defend my windows, i look for holes. if i attack your windows, i... look for holes ?
mircea_popescu: obviously, on a strategic plane the difference would be "stop making broken by design software ; behead all the shitgnomes ; adopt bitcoin as us currency" etc.
mircea_popescu: i don't get it. so, stallman-gcc, is at odds with stallman-emacs and they don';t wanna talk inside his head because cacti ?
mats: ive read it several times and concluded a) i dont get it and b) f/oss is embarassing and dumb
mircea_popescu: apparently there's some debate about ast output in gcc.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the gcc-emacs merger seems slowly but surely emergent
mats: id like to see gcc contribs move over to llvm, if for no other reason than to motivate both parties
mircea_popescu: i have not looked at the matter in at least 3 years. does llvm still own gcc much to everyone's chagrin and denial ?
mircea_popescu: llvm compiles faster, sucks at encryption (lol) and by degrees at everything else.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo let me dig up my own words from the damned logs
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2015 08:24:54; mircea_popescu: he's prolly aiming for putting it in by february, but won't actually have the tech resources to do it and rather than risk a total humiliatory blowout delay it to march
assbot: MassPrivateI: Mass. law enforcement agencies claim they're corporations and they're exempt from FOIA requests ... (
http://bit.ly/14D8PX1 )
mircea_popescu: "While I have often cautioned people before to avoid using libsecp256k1
mircea_popescu: for verification on the grounds that consensus trumps correctness, the
mircea_popescu: above incompatibility does strongly suggest that OpenSSL may not itself
mircea_popescu: have very good consensus-critical design. Along with Maxwell and
mircea_popescu: Wuille's recent findings¹ CVE-2014-3570 - strong evidence of the
assbot: Bank of America warns of 'lethal' damage to China's financial system as deflation deepens - Telegraph ... (
http://bit.ly/14D8OSM )
mircea_popescu: excellent testing the library has undergone - I personally am now of the
mircea_popescu: opinion that migrating Bitcoin Core to libsecp256k1 in the near future
mircea_popescu: is a good idea on the grounds that it provides us with a well-written,
mircea_popescu: and well-understood library designed with consensus in mind that'll
mircea_popescu: probably give us fewer consensus problems than our existing OpenSSL
mircea_popescu: dependency. It'll also help advanced protocol implementations by giving
mircea_popescu: them a clear dependency to use when they need consensus-critical
mircea_popescu: unless there's some sort of major backdoor in wuille's ecdsa implementation...
mircea_popescu: anyway, ima get on teh comparison requests tomorrow. if anyone has more names to suggest as per above...
mats: asciilifeform: ive only seen this specific issue get airtime in the last few months
mircea_popescu: not that THAT is a bad move in any sense, of course. but timeo Danaos et dona ferentes.
mats: but yes, i agree with the premise re: gendarmerie
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mats: BingoBoingo: chimps are terrifying.
mircea_popescu: you mean, has anyone considered how idiotic "update now" is ?
mircea_popescu: yes, actuyally, they have. here even, publicly and explicitly.
mircea_popescu: first, there was one man, who couldn't code, doing idiotic things like windows and qt.
mircea_popescu: then there was a group of youthful men doing what seemed clumsy but well meaning stuff
mircea_popescu: then they were cast out and a bitcoin foundation constructed.
mircea_popescu: seems very reasonable really. how short would you have put up with it ?
mircea_popescu: side note : i read someone (maybe joel on soft ?) in a wonderful piece "why i never upgrade" and i've never been able to find it again. ne1 know it ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he's characteristically weak in the rhetorics involved.
mircea_popescu: i very much doubt half his closest collaborators grok what he means on the strenght of his text. you yourself, i suspect, followed the logic of the situaiton not the logic of his words.
mircea_popescu: well yeah, so, i don't understand wtf he's saying either.
mircea_popescu: this proves harem in the sense person offering large stores of grain to dissinterested cad thereby proves cat's a farmer.
mircea_popescu: in my limited experience with harems and the people keeping them, you can more or less get a trial run. especially as a young, entused woman.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform specifically, gaddafi was regarded as similarly odd,
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2014 17:44:35; asciilifeform: 'When the glorious Muammar Kaddafi, in his blue bournouse, or in his uniform, appear on the telly, the domesticated inhabitant of the sanitaria jerks from fright. 'Monster,' 'terrorist,' 'evildoer,' public enemy number one - the media calls him, led by its disdain for all that is envigorating (and, on top of it all, foreign), and pushed by false information supplied by CIA... ...his very existence is
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2014 17:44:35; asciilifeform: a videoclip of a fairy tale coming true... ...they [americans] also wish to drive around in jeeps, accompanied by squadrons of hotties in berets with kalashnikovs - but are impotent from birth. Envy, taken with an understanding of one's own powerless... easily transforms into hatred. The leaders of the sanitarium are easier for the 'patient' to understand, closer. He sees their permissible pecadillos,
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2014 17:44:35; asciilifeform: eased with their mediocrity. 'But this fellow from the desert!' (Interestingly, that among the hundreds of tyrants, in uniform and without, depending on the united states or the european sanitaria, none provoke a fraction of the wrath caused by Kaddafi. Evidently, the cause is his independence.) Kaddafi - is an extraordinary living proof of the fact that the fairy-tale version of life remains possible
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2014 17:44:41; asciilifeform: t only outside of the sanitaria.'
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mircea_popescu: tl;dr : gnome twerp is "Id strongly encourage you to refrain from such comments in the future.", because that's how the world works nao.
mircea_popescu: still, they're funny. guy derps about how "concerns echoed again and again are ignored!!11" and is amazed. then people echo again and again the concern that "wtf loosen up" and "why are you publishing some guy's emails ?" which he... amazingly... ignores. why ?
mircea_popescu: "because he wqon't read me! and there's no other way to vent my little penis!"
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mircea_popescu: sometimes i shudder at the thought at how comparatively harder and humoruless-er my life would have been, had i chanced to live among sane people.
assbot: Logged on 10-07-2014 16:05:38; asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: only worth reading if there's a source other than alexander lebed circa 1997.
mircea_popescu: "The enduring emptiness of our technology debates has one main cause, and his name is Tim OReilly."
mircea_popescu: whodda thunk making a shitton of "x for idiots" books will result in a large bleating herd of idiots!
mircea_popescu: (ethymology also interesting : stallman's favourite pressman - evgeny morozov - running down o'reilly because he's not left enough!!)
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, the relative failure of foss is strictly due to the incongruous and often misshapen radical leftist ideas of stallman. had that thing been "the same old gospel of individualism, small government, and market fundamentalism that we associate with Randian characters" it'd not be struggling covered under a pile of open source.
mats: whoops ... wrong one. i'm reading about the Earl of Oxford's case
mats: > concerned land in London which Henry VIII had gifted to Thomas, Lord Audley, as a reward ... By his will, Audley left the land to Magdalene College, Cambridge, but the college subsequently sold the land and some of it was acquired, indirectly, by the Earl of Oxford. Magdalene College challenged Oxford's title on the basis of a statute which prohibited the
mats: disposition of College lands ... as part of the original sale, Magdalene College had made an intermediate transfer to Queen Elizabeth with the deliberate intention of bypassing the statute.
mircea_popescu: you know a simple summary of all the many ways english barristers tried to use the crown as a fixed point to unseat the lawe would be dazzling.
mats: i pity the research assistant
mircea_popescu: one example : original legislation to defend the living against mortmain holdings required all wills vest
mircea_popescu: but how ? and they came to the idea to make it vest in a definite relation to a definitely existing thing
mircea_popescu: on the principle that nothing that is is forever, and so...
mircea_popescu: the reaction ? make wills reference the throne succession. so wills would be as good as the lifetime of the dynasty.
mircea_popescu: that had to be excised specifically, which is how the wills practice got to be so insanely complicated, the us practitioners pretty much gave up.
gribble: wn: mortmain n 1: real property held inalienably (as by an ecclesiastical corporation) [syn: {mortmain}, {dead hand}] 2: the oppressive influence of past events or decisions [syn: {dead hand}, {dead hand of the past}, {mortmain}]
mircea_popescu: the dead are at the following advantage over the living : they don't feel any pressure to change their views.
mircea_popescu: to illustrate : suppose i am me, and i happen to believe that all females should spend a decade right after puberty nude at all times. i happen to be rich, and mindful of my beliefs. while i accept that i can't oder people around, i also expect them to respect my disposition of my own property. and so my will reads, that all my stuff is to be inherited by so and so successors, provided at all times all females pubescen
mircea_popescu: my neighbour, a man of different notions but similar methods, orders all black haired people to always wear square hats.
mircea_popescu: a few century later, "circus" means a place where everything's quiet. because a simple walk down the street makes one's head spin.
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[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Gold to drop under $1000 before March 2015"
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assbot: xiando +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
xiando: So I need a better WOT rating all of a sudden? :-/ oh well, life can't always be easy as pie.
kakobrekla: as dead as wot seems it still changes.
PeterL: ;;gettrust assbot xiando
PeterL: Could you self voice in the past? Maybe somebody here removed their rating?
xiando: Perhaps. But I am just this guy, you know, I rarely have anything important to say so it is fine, really. I can just idle and not be important and not write, that is alright.
PeterL: anything import to say today?
PeterL: is this a problem with openssl or bitcoin-core?
xiando: Basically a bugfix in openssl makes bitcoin-core behave differently depending on what openssl version is used
joecool: xiando: yeah it breaks it, happy to report libressl does not
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decimation: "But investigators concluded that, whether or not the disclosure harmed national security, it amounted to a significant security breach in the office of one of the nation’s most trusted intelligence leaders. They recommended that Mr. Petraeus face charges, saying lower-ranking officials had been prosecuted for far less."
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assbot: Logged on 10-01-2015 18:56:19; decimation: "But investigators concluded that, whether or not the disclosure harmed national security, it amounted to a significant security breach in the office of one of the nation’s most trusted intelligence leaders. They recommended that Mr. Petraeus face charges, saying lower-ranking officials had been prosecuted for far less."
decimation: yeah, there's no way they will prosecute
decimation: but the little people in usg find that 'unfair'
mircea_popescu: decimation i suspect you don't understand how that world works.
mircea_popescu: xiando: I thought I'd mention that openssl 1.0.1k apparently breaks bitcoin-core << this, of coruse, was discussed for the past few days :)
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla bwahaha slander! i'll bet you 1btc straight up they don't do it this month.
decimation: I note someone put a hefty weight against that gold bet
decimation: to think that gold will crash is also to think that usd will gain. it's possible, with all this 'oil shock' working its way around
mircea_popescu: gold has a problem of demographic. the only people that think gold is functionally useful as a monetary metal are poor. they may be a numerous echelon, relatively speaking, what's left of the upper middle class proceeding on vague intuition and memories. however, they're poor.
mircea_popescu: and that poor speaks a lot more to power than just money.
mircea_popescu: to everyone else, gold is this quaint horse buggy. no dispute it worked at some point, no desire to go back to that point.
joecool: mircea_popescu: i built core off libressl, the response was "it builds?"
decimation: Mr. Obama will also outline proposals to tackle identity theft and expand Internet access.The proposals are part of a White House preview of Mr. Obama’s annual State of the Union address, to be delivered Jan. 20.
mircea_popescu: joecool anyway, the objection generally given to change in that spot ("that the code being merely correct is not enough assurance") is logically valid.
joecool: it's cool though, they are ditching openssl, i'm sure whatever they replace it with will do a better job :)
mircea_popescu: the exact thing played out once before, "it's cool though, they're ditching bdb, im sure whatever they replace it iwth will do a better job"
joecool: mircea_popescu: oh that was entirely sarcastic, i did not phrase that seriously
adlai: gold is the old world's litecoin
adlai: had our fun, moving along.
mircea_popescu: i was thinking that as i wrote, but then dropped. yes, an apt analogy in many ways. very inept in others tho
adlai: it got me wondering what the old world's bitcoin is, and the least senseless answer is 'bitcoin'
mircea_popescu: nah, the old world's bitcoin is an unexpressed mix of contracts and reputation.
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> no chance of it, either. < putin thinks otherwise.
mircea_popescu: yes, well, putin is running a country. if you're running a country too, by all means, cover all bets to the degree he does.
mircea_popescu: makes me wonder where's your nuclear subs, but anyway.
thestringpuller: "It looks like he made his goal in life to be the most detestable person in the internet. (Methinks he is still nowhere near that rank, though.) However he is a precious resource, as an expert bitcoiner who enjoys kicking some of the most sacred cows in bitcoinland."
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cazalla: mircea_popescu, nothing you have not heard before lol
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Apocalyptic: cazalla, even "It is a possibility that the MP argument is a virtually literal strawman, atop a bonfire, to fuel a flame war that drives up his LTC holdings." ?
undata: wtf is virtually literal
undata: is that like almost true?
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thestringpuller: where you get unplugged and see all this crazy shit and at some point you hack back in and see all the dumb people completely unaware of there shit
thestringpuller: As Louis Armstrong said, "As I think to myself, was I ever this dumb?" LOL
Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, reads like the only reasonable answer so far
danielpbarron: if the hard fork happens, it should be possible to cycle funds in and out of exchanges that are dumb enough to switch, splitting away real-bitcoin whenever the withdraw gives you an output that hasn't been doublespent yet -- or is this possibility too good to be true?
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: May be possible. I'd count double spending your coins yourself to seperate forks before using them in anger.
danielpbarron: yes that's what i mean; withdraw, split, send fake-coins back into exchange, repeat
danielpbarron: when "dust settles," exchange is now fractional reserve (if it wasn't already)
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron no, it works just fine. gavincoin has to accept both bitcoin and gavincoin txn. this writes free options to everyone in bitcoin that gavincoin is held to honor regardless.
mircea_popescu: so yes, separate your gavincoins, send to exchange, withdraw. see if it replies with a bitcoin+gavincoin pair, if so separate it again.
mircea_popescu: cold wallets may save them to some degree, but it's pretty random.
Apocalyptic: this would work only until the input the exchange is spending for your withdrawal is on both chains
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic hence "if it doesn't, it's out of bitcoins"
mircea_popescu: working on the assumption of naive exchange, of course.
mircea_popescu: in practice i';d expect them to separate their funds immediately, and only pay out gavincoins.
mircea_popescu: so they scam the userbase more than the userbase scams them
thestringpuller: also, isn't it impossible to guarentee gigachain has 1:1 parity with main-chain?
thestringpuller: by statistics alone, the transaction will very greatly in each chain
thestringpuller: so in order to defend the attack gavin would have to include code to keep 1:1 parity with the main-chain while his blocks are minted
thestringpuller: not commpletely defend, just make it so doors are wide open
mircea_popescu: 1 tx is say 400 bytes. if i split 1k btc into 1k 1 btc txn that's 400kb. if i dump 400kb on the network as it is now, about half would be put into a block immediately.
mircea_popescu: so the only way to have bitcoin is 1:1 identity in all respects.
thestringpuller: funny how even trying to dumb the article down, people still don't get that
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is exactly like that alt coin that went nowhere which was going to give everyone with bitcoin as many of the altcoin as they had bitcoin
mircea_popescu: i forget its name, but it doesn't matter, the principle is the same.
mircea_popescu: the author thought he "covered" the economics involved. then it turned out the author had no fucking idea.
kakobrekla: not yet, but its weekend now, they are prolly drinking in some bar.
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thestringpuller: "That's my point. Before you kick a sleeping tiger that has no teeth make sure you can see his gums"
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ben_vulpes: stan the key you signed those patches with has expired
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thestringpuller: asciilifeform i hope they model an AI construct after you one day.
thestringpuller: funny how bitstamp's "survival" is front page news but this isn't
PeterL: speaking of bitpay ... are you ever going to put F.DERP shares for sale?
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i toured the offices. they have like 30+ employees
PeterL: I suppose they could be marketing, trying to get companies to sign up for their service?
PeterL: are they located in socal?
ben_vulpes: PeterL: 'tis a reference to the homeland of the social networks
PeterL: but wouldn't that be in Northern California?
mircea_popescu: anyway, socal is where the really easy skanks / surfer dudes / rednecks live.
PeterL: ha, I can be hard to please sometimes
PeterL: Socal has nice weather, but the people ruin it
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thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: where is this long article you've been working on all day?
mircea_popescu: i don't mean the article's a scandal, i just mean, it being so long is scandalous.
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mircea_popescu: nothing! i have nothing against ice breakers and atomic shelters, either. but i don't own any!
mircea_popescu: i don't go down the street carrying a horse. or a boat.
mircea_popescu: if you kill fifty people a day and it's giving you carpal, get an ak do it faster. that i see.
mircea_popescu: you've never killed anyone ? what's a rifle to you ? get a dildo.
ben_vulpes: dafuq does this dishwasher get off claiming a "smart wash" mode?
ben_vulpes: what kinds of smarts can the thing possibly have
ben_vulpes: now the washing machine can at least measure moments of inertia, and make some kind of guess about how much water to derp into itself, that i'll scowlingly perhaps accept if i'm in a generous mood.
undata: maybe it measures how turdly the water draining out the bottom is? iono
undata: some kenmore one claims to detect the turdliness of the dishes themselves
assbot: Elmer__FUD comments on Peter Todd on Twitter: "With Bitstamp on Amazon AWS, there's a high probability that some Three Letter Agency has a copy of their databases; expect zero privacy." ... (
http://bit.ly/1A48GnR )
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ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] the default change behaviour is asinine (owing to how it destroys wallet backup as a concept) but i cannot recall how it can be seen as 'vulnerable' << wallet notion itself is asinine
ben_vulpes: or rather, notion that bitcoind should bear responsibility for tracking your coinholdings.
ben_vulpes: lol one can concieve of all sorts of things asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: spreadsheet or org mode file should be adequate for the user of "angry five"
kakobrekla: well i wasnt expecting an answer at all tbh.
thestringpuller: who needs a wallet when you can just create the transaction offline, and then feed the finalized thing to the node
ben_vulpes: ^^ that behavior actually blows the wallet concept entirely pu
thestringpuller: have no idea why they haven't split the node from the wallet
undata: yeah, given a sane interface to feed transactions all manner of other programs can do as they please
ben_vulpes: <thestringpuller> have no idea why they haven't split the node from the wallet << mostly time.
ben_vulpes: raw transaction api backport's not totally trivial.
thestringpuller: fucking bitpay with their nodejs wallet-core-thingamafucker
thestringpuller: i'd revel in conformal's products if it wasn't written in GO
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: oh tchyeah that thing's considered harmful.
ben_vulpes: ah, what's wrong with go, thestringpuller?
assbot: Logged on 10-01-2015 06:34:07; asciilifeform: re: rms and his oddities, i'd note that quite a few (most?) folks would end up regarded as similarly odd, if they somehow were set free to do wtf they pleased
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ben_vulpes: i'll get there eventually, asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> but the dishwasher!? << it probably uses less water if you put less clothes in
ben_vulpes: i musta been putting the wrong objects in the wrong boxes this whole time.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "I don't perceive a smartphone's worth having. Much like an AK-47, if not for the same reason." << i think it's clearly stated. like an assault rifle, a smartphone's not worth having. not for the same reason tho, but nevertheless, not worth having.
ben_vulpes goes to swap dishwasher and laundry machine loads
thestringpuller: one day future asciilifeform will show up in a delorean talking like Christopher Lloyd. this is when my life will truly begin.
mircea_popescu: "Whoever stands between progress in Bitcoin should be ignored."
mircea_popescu: apparently the libertards are actually retarded enough to have misapprehended bitcoin as some sort of ally for their stuff.
undata: mircea_popescu: some, most aren't intelligent enough to grasp it at a surface level
mircea_popescu: undata right. "men with guns ? wheee they came to play!"
undata: when I was younger I thought Ron Paul was the way
undata: it only took a few encounters with that crowd to decide otherwise
undata was raised by "paleoconservatives"
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cazalla: mircea_popescu, we'll see how much of their derping translate into traffic.. that thread is 2nd most popular on bitcointalk today according to blockchained.com
mircea_popescu: cazalla if it does translate into traffic you'll see it as a worsening of the demographic quality lol.
cazalla: if we're lucky, some will stop by here having read it
mircea_popescu: pgp seems to be living a nice 2nd youth these days tho
mircea_popescu: the definition of savages, you will notice, is formal not substantial.
mircea_popescu: references to formal definitions as "by the very definition" are shaky.
ben_vulpes imagines watching this flick with a typical progre
mircea_popescu: "If you are worrying about the time when 20MB per block is filled, you are worrying that bitcoin will have 20x more transactions, an increase from the currently throttle of approx 6 per second to around 120 per second. If you are worrying that bitcoin will have 20x more transactions, then you are worrying about it having many more users."
mircea_popescu: it's so funny how the arguments in favour of inflation go with the "general public"
cazalla: turns out the black guy of that movie died 13 years ago.. sorry to be such a debbie downer
mircea_popescu: this could be about silver, or about assignats, or about "the debt ceiling" or anything
undata: there's that and also, I think the american system demonstrates just how obedient the average person is
undata: and for those that don't get it, they've just been told not to by their televised tribe
mircea_popescu: "If Popescu chooses to wage war in fragmented environment and can demonstrate some potential to come out victorious I'll likely put my resources behind his efforts. This exclusively because whatever his motivations might be, his basic end goal and my own seem to align."
mircea_popescu: what difference does identity make ?! ANONIMITY IS THE SOLUTION!
thestringpuller: the alert keys are currently only held by gavin and theymos?
ben_vulpes: does waiting on apparent victory to ally ever work out?
ben_vulpes: i guess it works if your goal is to suck the conqueror's cocks.
mircea_popescu: "I don't think a hard fork would be very difficult, but only if the following two points are taken into account:
mircea_popescu: - Support for the fork should be overwhelming. If 95% of the users agree with the fork, the 5% that don't are pretty much forced to participate. Sure, they can keep running the non-forked version, but coins on that chain will be unlikely to keep their value."
thestringpuller: I wonder how Gavin got compromised. Will make for intersting movie one day.
undata: thestringpuller: compromised how?
thestringpuller: Like did men in black suits just show up and tell him "this is how it's gonna be"
undata: I dunno was poettering compromised?
ben_vulpes: "useful fool" is a phrase asciilifeform's to describe the type
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10515 @ 0.00066518 = 6.9944 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so what's next, if this somehow succeeds ? two years from now, liberia uses bitcoin as nat'l currency, suddenly the workers go on strike, ask for double salaries. govt asks gavin to fork btc to give them an extra one-off five million btc to pay the workers.
mircea_popescu: because a) poor workers, they need it and b) not agreeing would be being against expanded usage of bitcoin
mircea_popescu: and for that matter c) there's already precedent, the "poor users" who wanted to play but didn't want to pay tx fees were given free stuff before.
mircea_popescu: how about the idea is that bitcoin adoption means OTHER PEOPLE AND THINGS CHANGE ?
mircea_popescu: we don't change for the fucking world. the world changes. anything and everything.
mircea_popescu: the sec changes its procedures to accomodate my dictates.
mircea_popescu: liberia fucking changes its labor laws to accomodate bitcoin.
ben_vulpes: it's not really an argument at this point.
ben_vulpes: usg can mandate its serfs run .10 or w/e
mircea_popescu: the great gift of satoshi is exactly that : we finally have a tool whereby idiots can only hurt themselves.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin didn't appreciably suffer because whatever scam, paycoin or w/e was created
mircea_popescu: 's "just as much bitcoin as bitcoin only better" ? poopy for him lol.
mircea_popescu: "MP def lost the intellectual battle by the brag of wealth as his last effort to win."
mircea_popescu: check out the many ways you can lose "intellectual battles" lol.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.00066308 = 3.879 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: this has nothing to do with the block size anymore does it?
thestringpuller: This is about Gavin proving he can hijack the Bitcoin network to whomever his handler may be.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller more like, proving that he can STILL do it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but listen. just because the tiny nation of romania made the famine at leningrad possible doth not mean romania was an IMPORTANT player in ww2.
mircea_popescu: and an argument that hitler marginalized antonescu is at best bizarre.
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2015 04:41:46; asciilifeform: naggum had a piece where he confessed to thinking of 'open source' as a weapon, purpose-built for the destruction of a particular evil (microshit)
mircea_popescu: yeah, tellingly no mention of gates makes into morozov's thinking.
mircea_popescu: i guess "important" is not the best word, as im discussing size-importance.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18794 @ 0.00067437 = 12.6741 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: neither of it enacts rms as some sort of Jesus unless im missing a lot ?
mircea_popescu: i don't propose that rms "shouldn't have" or that fsf shouldn't have been or anything of the sort. but really, the pretense that at some point the situation seriously was, red pill vs blue pill and o'reilly of all people tricked everyone into getting the wrong pill...
mircea_popescu: the situation was microsoft or go hang yourself, to which a lot of people who didn't particularly wish to hang themselves reacted as best they could,
mircea_popescu: and in the end it killed ms, but then... google was born, and apple was reborn, and here we are.
mircea_popescu: if i write something on my slavew's thigh it's none of your damned business wtf.
ben_vulpes: also hey qntra would you drop gravatar for the "here's my domain, please serve domain/avatar.png" icon model?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in one aspect. now make an ethical distinction / moral rule (really nfi why they keep derping about ethics, its all a moral consideration) that resolves that while preserving my slave's thigh.
mircea_popescu: yes. that if i write something on my slave's thigh, it's none of your damned business.
mircea_popescu: state the rms "ethical consideration" w/e it is. "nobody may forbid anyone's access to written strings" ?
mircea_popescu: well he gotta have something. you can't start a "social movement" out of vague descriptions of desired outcomes
mircea_popescu: suppose i make computers, and decide to not sell them. what now ?
mircea_popescu: your " without gestapo suddenly breaking down the door and demanding to see if you've multiplied unauthorized numbers" is exactly equivalent i suspect to what i call who are you again ? fuck off, I don't give a shit" sort of approach to third parties of any man owning a computer
mircea_popescu: pretending the contrary is fine, if one so prefers, but it's still mere pretense.
mircea_popescu: anyway, for whatever reason, things still are what they are.
mircea_popescu: not that i think fsf's bad or anything. merely observing that peanuts aren't aeroplanes does not imply a hatred of peanuts.
mircea_popescu: so let's go further in the fertile soil (hint hint) of female simile
mircea_popescu: if you get married, which is to say, BORROW a woman from her father, and swear an oath
mircea_popescu: may you have now anal sex ? provided you both agree to it ?
mircea_popescu: rms' ideas are a sort of "this is computing so elvis never happened".
mircea_popescu: s perhaps the most informative avenue into the ACTUAL history of this sphere.
mircea_popescu: not re-narrated with a view to make contemporary institutions meaningful and appear sensible.
mircea_popescu: but actually, as it was, with a view to its own self coherence.
mircea_popescu: as late as 1880 it was held that such option is not on the table
mircea_popescu: and ironically, it seems the old hands were right. it went to shit since then.
mircea_popescu: here's a question, btw : what's better, to be running the proverbial taxi in new york ? or to be in a later generation, playing exactly the role of pocahontas to various ngos, "look at this nigger injun, how like our own kids he is, and how pretty in that dress!" ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21005 @ 0.00066187 = 13.9026 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: no, it's simply looking at the life of one evgheny morozov. for you see stan, little zenja was a country boy that got himself mixed up in the high stakes game of anglo propaganda and intenrational diplomacy!
mircea_popescu: that's how he fucking confuses thiel and kelly. they're all digested, right ? same thing!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so i follow your link to gnu.org, top of the page ? a very wikipedia-ish request for donations.
mircea_popescu: sleeker than wikipedia's tho. the definitely web 1.0 look of gnu.org helps.
mircea_popescu: obviously it will have to, it's a non profit. no issue with the substance. the form struck me tho.
mircea_popescu: is it that wikipedia has found the bewst way to do this ? or is it that once they did it everyone can follow in that wake ?
mircea_popescu: generally i think of the girl that poisoned her brood.
mircea_popescu: kinda surprised there's not more art dedicated to her. i'm unaware of more remarkable women in the xxth century.
mircea_popescu: "During WWII, a Belarusian boy is thrust into the atrocities of war, fighting with a hopelessly unequipped Soviet resistance movement against ruthless German forces. Witnessing scenes of abject terror and surviving horrifying situations, he loses his innocence and then his mind."
mircea_popescu: dude what do they have against bielorussians! it's always them getting fingers caught in doors.
mircea_popescu: someone should take a yearling dromedary to a skating rink