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(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, so ask BingoBoingo exactly for what is needed to un-fuzz; that's what all the detailed instructions is all about
(trilema) diana_coman: phf I think what is actually shutting down the operation is a. lack of someone capable & willing to take it in hand i.e. provide very detailed instructions to BingoBoingo b. fuzziness as to what operation there really is atm + what operation can actually be had at the location
(trilema) diana_coman: BingoBoingo, have you read that?
(trilema) diana_coman: quite some very good points there in my opinion ave1
(trilema) diana_coman: I admit I don't really get what the sticking point is there in asciilifeform's calculations: the potential tax on shipped equipment? the cost of BingoBoingo ? the cost of racks? not enough sure revenue (how the fuck)? what?
(trilema) diana_coman: obv, there should also be in principle a speed-up because of cutting off the "now word-> bits" part but that's sort of bonus the way I see it
(trilema) diana_coman: so when it's bits it's bits only, when it's octets there's no bits
(trilema) diana_coman: as that's the trouble in the first place
(trilema) diana_coman: what I don't really see the point for is the mixing bit + octet basically
(trilema) diana_coman: but obviously, matching the set of choices that we fix
(trilema) diana_coman: well, the bit-level implementation can and will remain
(trilema) diana_coman: going with 1.1, 2.1 and 3.2 also takes out entirely from keccak the bit-to-value and value-to-bit conversions ; input is a stream of octets, output is a stream of octets and keccak itself works at word level anyway
(trilema) diana_coman: be chosen and fixed once and for all
(trilema) diana_coman: on http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-08#1782802 and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-08#1782813 <- the more I think about this the more it seems to me that there is no point for bit-level extraction from state either; basically if bit notion doesn't make sense then why have it at extraction anyway; I think the choices would be 1.1, 2.1 and 3.2; as to the bit order for the output at the end of the day that is a convention too so it needs only to
(trilema) diana_coman: thank you, phf !
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, well, if input+output are considered at octet level, there is a case to say that reading out of the state is also done at octet level; I'll mull this over a bit longer re speed as such (for the word-level implementation because the bit-level is just as slow either way)
(trilema) diana_coman: ben_vulpes, as many other things before, keccak turned out to be yet another sort of ...problem before it can be of any use
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, ahaha, I can see that; makes for a good nightmare too
(trilema) diana_coman: among the "horrible things of the hot,hot plains in summer"
(trilema) diana_coman: when a poor tree is absolutely eaten up alive by the fat worms that fall at times with a splat on the path underneath
(trilema) diana_coman: caterpiller though ughhhhh; I have seen real fat, oozy, ugly ones several summers as a child; horrible
(trilema) diana_coman: yes, weird is a better description
(trilema) diana_coman: and no, it's not a case of "ughhh, SO ugly "
(trilema) diana_coman: I'm sure they can be endearing
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, sort of inept dragon-look-a-like; I heard they are tasty though (bigger ones at least)
(trilema) diana_coman: well, that's how it worked that far pretty much, isn't it? tell Daddy what you like, tell teacher what you'd like etc
(trilema) diana_coman finds out she does ...not like baby turtles
(trilema) diana_coman: phf, can you help test keccak on big endian iron? see ^
(trilema) diana_coman: ahahah, SOUP!
(trilema) diana_coman remembers northerners going: "soup, this is LIKE SOUP"
(trilema) diana_coman: !!rate juhoitse 1 can follow directions; euloran noob
(trilema) diana_coman: !!key juhoitse
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, this reminds me of early attempts with Italian: when stuck, grab a Romanian/French/latin word, stick Italian ending on it and say it loud and clear; it the worse case locals will promptly correct it
(trilema) diana_coman: BingoBoingo, is the "company" having your name or isn't this between latechco and your company or what?
(trilema) diana_coman: well, it certainly sounds quite... east-ish, let's say; I'm surprised at how much I can actually read /follow that thing now
(trilema) diana_coman didn't know it was republica ORIENTAL del uruguay, ha
(trilema) diana_coman: join #eulora; read eulorum.org
(trilema) diana_coman: juhoitse, best answer really is... doing; if unclear what, ask
(trilema) diana_coman: juhoitse, I suggest you try making some btc directly in eulora; at least there you can't lose more than you have
(trilema) diana_coman: juhoitse, what do you intend to do here?
(trilema) diana_coman: sounds quite reasonable to me
(trilema) diana_coman: oh yes, theoretically all sorts; by "properly-speaking" I meant precisely NOT theoretical
(trilema) diana_coman: I can see the argument as a generic offering , yes; in all fairness it's not like we have a load of properly-speaking multi-threaded software to run
(trilema) diana_coman: sorry, crap connection this morning, argh
(trilema) diana_coman: well, at the end of the day it depends on what software exactly one runs on that computer, not an overall generic answer
(trilema) diana_coman: well yes, hence "slight dislike" not a deal breaker or anything major; fwiw at this moment I'd say Eulora can certainly live on either
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1781846 <- my only slight dislike of the amd fx is precisely higher power consumption & warming up; while fx 8350s is indeed not that bad on this account, it still consumes more than opteron 6376 afaik
(trilema) diana_coman: phf, ada<->C interop was quite straightforward last time I tried it, didn't take much at all; you'll need to add a few exports iirc
(trilema) diana_coman admits that is one of the things she really, really likes about ffa
(trilema) diana_coman: funnily enough the rotates are anyway mainly "shortcuts" for 2 (iirc) transformation operations but otherwise not directly in keccak's defs as such
(trilema) diana_coman: huh, for modular types ?
(trilema) diana_coman: in principle if one aims for speed, one should look at parallelism I guess
(trilema) diana_coman: the current plan is then to go back to the "word-level" and make that one deal with different endianness
(trilema) diana_coman: no speed-concern yet
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, yes, at this stage the point was to keep it very clear and simple
(trilema) diana_coman: for understanding reason
(trilema) diana_coman: tbh I would recommend it as a better "starter" approach anyway
(trilema) diana_coman: phf, chapter 8 of eucrypt is a fully-working Keccak, albeit at bit level
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, fixed, thank you!
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, you are right; works fine after adding to hosts
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, the home page directly with the ip was also slow
(trilema) diana_coman: although it is...slow to load
(trilema) diana_coman: I can confirm I see it from here
(trilema) diana_coman: oh hey, well done BingoBoingo !
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, will schedule dreaming eulora spec machine then
(trilema) diana_coman: fwiw it looks like some mod_security mess
(trilema) diana_coman: spyked, thanks; looks familiar even so one of these days I'll have to get around to look at it and shoot it in the head
(trilema) diana_coman: hm, what was the error you got on that one that didn't work?
(trilema) diana_coman: ah, that must be it then; no ssd :(
(trilema) diana_coman: eulora is chugging along, atm focus is mainly on getting eucrypt done
(trilema) diana_coman: re nodes: mine is still there but still not at the top; I even pressed and ran asciilifeform's patch but it's unclear to me if it helped tbh; I admit I did not have much time to really dig deeper there exactly
(trilema) diana_coman: spyked, fwiw, pingback arrived fine
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, no "advocate", more like explain: probably the thought was that after it starts it remains (magically!) always at the top
(trilema) diana_coman will read; and then re-read
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, ugh, I'll have to put in those link for selection, won't I
(trilema) diana_coman: trouble is ...why is it worth having this headache to start with
(trilema) diana_coman: but "In this section we will review the effect of the Bit_Order attribute definition clause on byte ordering. Briefly, it has no effect at all, but a detailed example will be helpful" this is gold
(trilema) diana_coman: this is why I said earlier "check endianism at runtime" because yes, in ada you can get that
(trilema) diana_coman: ah, of input, right
(trilema) diana_coman: I suppose the "patch" would be to check endianism at runtime and use the correct constants as it were; I ...still don't see why should I have endianism in there to start with
(trilema) diana_coman: and I don't quite see why wouldn't keccak operate on input bitwise
(trilema) diana_coman: that's how it should be!
(trilema) diana_coman: scrambling happens (at least in my mind) at bit level
(trilema) diana_coman: b. input is a stream of bits; depending on whether you consider that big/little, it will go to different bits of the state
(trilema) diana_coman: if I understand correctly what you mean by that, yes; basically to start with: I'm not sure that a. as it currently stands you'll get same hash for same input on little vs big endian
(trilema) diana_coman: I know, I wrote them to not be
(trilema) diana_coman: not quite same thing, no
(trilema) diana_coman: but I admit I am not 100% at ease that all the scramblings result in same thing; and moreover yes, I don't see the reason WHY it should be there
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, hm, that was my initial approach: as long as all of them are stored same endianness theoretically the bits fit correctly
(trilema) diana_coman: I will just store them as array of bits
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, constants are stored as numbers on 64 bits at the moment
(trilema) diana_coman: next week's version of the sponge will be changed so that it works at bit level *everywhere*, idiotic constants included
(trilema) diana_coman: the trouble with current version is that it's still messed up by endianness (the keccak constants are 64 bit *values* rather than bit streams)
(trilema) diana_coman: phf, the newly published chapter 7 in eucrypt is the keccak sponge but it turns out that I'll still change it from inside out for next week
(trilema) diana_coman: I guess that might make him more sincere than the others but not in any discernible way a better option as far as I can see
(trilema) diana_coman: ugh, that codrin stefanescu was at some point with glorious ideas ~="all I care about is that my family is doing well, the rest doesn't matter"
(trilema) diana_coman: that is actually clearer than the monthly statements, BingoBoingo
(trilema) diana_coman: question for anyone who studied keccak: do you see any reason for keccak itself to care about msb/lsb? the way I see it, keccak works at bit level, so it eats a stream of bits in the order they come in and it outputs another stream of bits in the order they come out, no need for lsb/msb dance per se
(trilema) diana_coman: as usual, use it, change it, do whatever you want with it
(trilema) diana_coman: there's no sign up, lol; just either implement your own or otherwise at least get a signed one, read it and run it
(trilema) diana_coman: douchebag, what do you want to sign up for?
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774215 <- they probably are, yes; still an ugly sight if not worse
(trilema) diana_coman: if it's not that the trouble here too, trinque might help
(trilema) diana_coman: caaddr, previous similar problem with key+deedbot was due to expired key as per http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721390
(trilema) diana_coman: caaddr, say here steps + failure when you tried to !!up yourself
(trilema) diana_coman: from my own experience with adacore and with gnat, I tend to agree with asciilifeform's evaluation there ^^
(trilema) diana_coman: !!down caaddr
(trilema) diana_coman: caaddr, you should be able to voice yourself from now on
(trilema) diana_coman: !!v 63112D55B65E5DEECA35DEF2255B054FAB8B3CB477A9F53743BA3D672178CC98
(trilema) diana_coman: !!rate caaddr 1 ffa reader
(trilema) diana_coman: !!key caaddr
(trilema) diana_coman: caaddr, register a key please so we know it's you next time
(trilema) diana_coman: !!key caaddr
(trilema) diana_coman: upload the patches there + discussion as to why and what; link to asciilifeform's ch1 ffa and you're done
(trilema) diana_coman: anyways caaddr do you have a blog?
(trilema) diana_coman: I suppose asciilifeform will want to have a look at them perhaps ; I'm not sure though I see a point in changing ffa to fit whatever gnat4 wants though
(trilema) diana_coman: wait, you created a vpatch for ..ffa?
(trilema) diana_coman: aha; tbh you are best off using adacore's tools
(trilema) diana_coman: what's the problem/question caaddr ?
(trilema) diana_coman: hello caaddr
(trilema) diana_coman: to be fair it sounds like a rushed caught-in-the-hallway-had-to-say-something piece
(trilema) diana_coman: maybe it makes more sense to someone else
(trilema) diana_coman: I really can't begin to understand what exactly is that; some gems in there too with organisation making silk-purse out of a sow's ear and "every participant has the option to be that player" and ...
(trilema) diana_coman: wtf Taleb's"foreword to the book by Saifedean Ammous" on medium.com apparently: https://medium.com/@nntaleb/bitcoin-1537e616a074#---0-337
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773347 <-as I realised I never said this anywhere: this trouble with no-pingbacks on page is part of the reason why I have post+page for this sort of thing (the code reference shelf is one, the bac data another) - so that pingbacks can go at least to the post introducing the page; ugly workaround of sorts
(trilema) diana_coman: hence the end of the line there: "I didn't really find a reasonable way to keep comments in"
(trilema) diana_coman: ftr I'm still on wp purely because there has always been something else topping the pile; I just about switched to statically generated pages too but I didn't really find a reasonable way to keep comments in
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773347 <- I think pages should take pingbacks! and tbh I never really understood why are "pages" so special; the way I see it, "pages" are just posts outside of the time-flow, "sticky" posts basically
(trilema) diana_coman: even had inner tube at pushchair wheels!
(trilema) diana_coman: see, there is also tea which is pointedly not meat!!
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, everything also means dick or cunt, depending on pov
(trilema) diana_coman: I always read asciilifeform's "meat" along the lines of "call of the annoying reality of existence in human form"
(trilema) diana_coman: in the "it takes human hand"? the thing put together needs taken apart of similar nature
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-18#1772485 <- after things are put together by human hand it takes human hand to take them apart, yes, unsurprising; point is it's enough to choose and pick out of the desired vpatch what is relevant (i.e. for keccak in this example) and that's as far as it goes
(trilema) diana_coman: they will be grouped into as few chapters as possible of course
(trilema) diana_coman: padding, bitstream, sponge, oaep to follow; currently still in the works
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, yes, all that there is still only... first part
(trilema) diana_coman: phf, those are the keccak transformations; do you need the actual sponge?
(trilema) diana_coman: ugh, talking*
(trilema) diana_coman: taking of baking, these eucrypt blog posts feel like cozonaci : always sort of growing more than I expect them, no matter what adjustment to expectations previous batch caused
(trilema) diana_coman: apparently patch worked, v reports now new version
(trilema) diana_coman: yay, thank you mod6 !
(trilema) diana_coman: ha, super-fast trinque !
(trilema) diana_coman: mod6, from:mod6 ?
(trilema) diana_coman: k, I'll try that as soon as mod6 finds the patch
(trilema) diana_coman: ah, I missed that then, I thought yours was grabbing leaf by leaf too
(trilema) diana_coman: uh oh, it seems asciilifeform's v misbehaves too: when pressing a leaf that has genesis as antecedent it presses ALSO all other descendants of genesis from what I can tell
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-13#1770368 <- mod6 did you publish this anywhere? it seems I might even have another test-case for it.. (version 99994 dies on it complaining that .vpatch is invalid)
(trilema) diana_coman: !!v 7AC227FA1D46917538127FAB0D4C5C45FF8064838BE08A92A589F00E4374C08F
(trilema) diana_coman: !!rate Covale` 1 euloran noob; found at least some of his way around
(trilema) diana_coman: esthlos, lol! auto-completion helps
(trilema) diana_coman: now hmm, where was that bit written on trilema
(trilema) diana_coman: not by accident either; it's s.mg policy
(trilema) diana_coman: and fwiw see history of foxybot: it started precisely like that, as a player-made-for-own-use thing and it ended up bundled into "official" client
(trilema) diana_coman: esthlos, certainly, not an issue; I think you are overthinking/overreading into this
(trilema) diana_coman: you can play it with whatever client you want, that's the point
(trilema) diana_coman: esthlos, "current eulora functionality" has nothing to do with graphics really; and client is totally up to players
(trilema) diana_coman: see flag for big location clue
(trilema) diana_coman: wow, nice work lobbes
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-13#1770409 <- idealul lor in viata e femeia cu mustata!
(trilema) diana_coman: that looks very good to me, mod6
(trilema) diana_coman: gah, made the mistake of actually finding what seem like real photos of 19th century Iranian harem; as the saying goes, beauty is first of all a full set of limbs or what was it
(trilema) diana_coman: ahaha, quite
(trilema) diana_coman: yeah, another abused word this fat basically
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, well, can't say I saw one for myself but on one hand it's not as if they were thrown out of it when old (or not all really as far as I gathered) and on the other hand all those "solduri falnice" etc can't be all that thin either
(trilema) diana_coman: it's true that food abundance doesn't have anything to do with anything, but the sultan's harem doesn't seem a good example really, that's all
(trilema) diana_coman: sounds like connection trouble
(trilema) diana_coman: shinohai, what was the trouble?
(trilema) diana_coman: plenty of things for the pick up really
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, at some point there will be time to get to the bottom of that too
(trilema) diana_coman: as per http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-11-28.log.html#t14:51:45 + adventures with exporting from it, we ended up freezing blender version at 2.66 and - as usual by now - hosting it too ( minigame.bz/eulora/source/blender-2.66.tar.gz )
(trilema) diana_coman: phf, quite; Blender 2.66 for the record; the stopping point though was basically latest working with acceptable version of Python
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769016 <- ahahaha, I walked those sidewalks for years and in high heels too; it's a skill! (leather shoes though, always, proper Romanian shoes)
(trilema) diana_coman: mats I'll have a look although s.mg won't use latest vulnerabilities as it were
(trilema) diana_coman: thanks phf !
(trilema) diana_coman: knubie, a game by s.mg; see trilema.com s.mg category; logs of #eulora; http://www.dianacoman.com/category/eulora/ ; http://www.eulorum.org/Eulora
(trilema) diana_coman: knubie, play eulora, might do something either way to that heartburn at least
(trilema) diana_coman: trouble is that TMSR doesn't quite fit in tl;dr other than that, so ...it's logs; anyways, there is search function, guess search for porn selling or whatevs
(trilema) diana_coman: Swant, the tl;dr is in the chan's topic, no? Topic for #trilema is: You have reached The Most Serene Republic, the world's only sovereign.
(trilema) diana_coman: Swant, how is that brought to attention? like on a platter or what? btw, there are logs, help yourself
(trilema) diana_coman: so who are you?
(trilema) diana_coman: lol, from Ikea Swant ?
(trilema) diana_coman: well yes, gcd at least 2, obv
(trilema) diana_coman: useless at best is how I see it too, yes
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, thing is: unlikely to make it much smaller anyway if p and q are chosen randomly, no?
(trilema) diana_coman: apeloyee, I guess that's the how come lcm, because they said so, yes
(trilema) diana_coman: "where nlen is the appropriate length for the desired security_strength" - where is this wonder in gnupg anyway
(trilema) diana_coman: phi and lcm relatively same, NOT lcm and gcd
(trilema) diana_coman: lcm = phi / gcd(p-1, q-1)
(trilema) diana_coman: phi = (p-1)*(q-1)
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, where the fuck did I say gcd and lcm same??
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, at key generation really, classical 1.4.10, snippet here: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/GWFnN/?raw=true
(trilema) diana_coman: (obv. no comments in the code to know why it uses lcm there, so the supposition above is entirely mine; if anyone sees a different reason for that, let me know)
(trilema) diana_coman: in other gnupg-isms: it uses lcm(p-1, q-1) instead of phi itself, supposedly to make decryption faster but essentially through making the decryption exponent smaller; moreover, this is a sort of buildup on the whole pile of stink because it quite relies on p and q NOT being really random (if they really are random, chances are gcd(p-1, q-1) relatively small and therefore phi and lcm not really all that different anyway)
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766177 <- I switched to adacore at some point, when I had enough of all sorts of weird trouble essentially; never had that specific type of problem though
(trilema) diana_coman: I'll have a look at gps then
(trilema) diana_coman: aha; so no argument in fact; basically you say "I need emacs for what I'm doing because slime"; I say "so far I'm happily not cornered by anything into using emacs"
(trilema) diana_coman: yes, so you need emacs because slime; that sounds like a lot of snails already,lol
(trilema) diana_coman: note though that we were talking emacs, not slime; enfin
(trilema) diana_coman: well, I never used slime so I can't comment
(trilema) diana_coman: are you saying that 50x improvement is really due totally to emacs being to any other editor what pen is over feather? because otherwise Nx longer is exactly "nothing else" when N is large enough
(trilema) diana_coman is not pushing anything nor bashing emacs
(trilema) diana_coman: no, in the sense of "80 cols or NOTHING ELSE"; same thing there: can work with emacs or NOTHING ELSE
(trilema) diana_coman: as long as it doesn't basically cripple me to everything else, I can use it, sure
(trilema) diana_coman: that might be my brand of weird only though
(trilema) diana_coman: as a side note, that's precisely why I did *not* adopt emacs in the end despite liking it quite a lot when met it at uni: it was VERY useful indeed but the sort of useful that was too close to addictive for my liking essentially
(trilema) diana_coman: anyways, it's settled, 80cols it will have to be
(trilema) diana_coman: so basically columns newspaper style, as I was saying yesterday, yes; inevitably, if 80 cols, ofc
(trilema) diana_coman: I suspect it's more the investment in the habit really; printer might be *one form* but it doesn't convince me much in itself
(trilema) diana_coman: I suppose I'm not much of a train basically
(trilema) diana_coman purposefully gets used to all sorts of different things, makes it easy to switch between them really
(trilema) diana_coman: ah, should have been precise there: they don't make a difference for me at this stage; I can stick to 80 just as I can stick to 76 really
(trilema) diana_coman: not that 4 characters make much difference in any case
(trilema) diana_coman: I was just writing that! lol
(trilema) diana_coman: which is perfectly fine with me for code; it's still grating for comments and I'm not sure how this will resolve, it sort of pushes comments out of code (to a place where one can read them as text not as code-which-they-are-not)
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1764721 <- so I gather the 80 cols habit won the day for code
(trilema) diana_coman: shinohai, lol!
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, theoretically yes; at that time though I did not even go that far and it still proved to be wishful thinking
(trilema) diana_coman: where his very self tends to write too, yes
(trilema) diana_coman: fwiw I take asciilifeform to mean the engineering approach vs current "programming" approach; that has little to do with "engineer" diploma or not,sadly
(trilema) diana_coman: phf might be onto something in that functional programming was not mandatory for instance; I took the course because I wanted to but I could have had no idea of it at all even, easily
(trilema) diana_coman: heh, add to that the fact that I specifically got interested in computers initially for the very promise (to my mind at the time at least) that they are... reliable; because programmable, see? such silly 17-yo mea
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, no, not really; studied at polytechnic uni Bucharest, automation and computers i.e. electrical engineer; followed with data mining and that got totally fed up after "software engineering"
(trilema) diana_coman: I suspect all of it, one way or the other IS a matter of habit really; it might even be that I simply programmed overall too little compared to reading non-programming (programmed at school+uni+few years after that and then ran for the hills until I got drawn back because eulora)
(trilema) diana_coman: basically this would make some sense only if writing code in columns pretty much newspaper style I suppose
(trilema) diana_coman has just cleared desk again getting rid of a pile of papers used for this ch4
(trilema) diana_coman: and paper+writing a lot before any need for keyboard, but I still get annoyed at multi-line stuff that is ... one thing otherwise, ugh
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