mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-08#1766927 << needless to say re this that just because you trust someone's signature it doesn't follow that someone's obliged to distribute his patches to you ; this allows him to be paid for his work ; you're also more than welcome to obtain your patches from someone other than their author, provided... you trust their signature ; and obviously the author's STILL not obliged to distribute patc
a111: Logged on 2018-01-08 02:02 mircea_popescu: 5. client proceeds to build what it can (if set to, and as per signatures again) and present the pile.
mircea_popescu: hes to THAT third party either, meaning, again...
mircea_popescu: this then allows the emergence of software distribution networks, and so on.
diana_coman: in other gnupg-isms: it uses lcm(p-1, q-1) instead of phi itself, supposedly to make decryption faster but essentially through making the decryption exponent smaller; moreover, this is a sort of buildup on the whole pile of stink because it quite relies on p and q NOT being really random (if they really are random, chances are gcd(p-1, q-1) relatively small and therefore phi and lcm not really all that different anyway)
diana_coman: (obv. no comments in the code to know why it uses lcm there, so the supposition above is entirely mine; if anyone sees a different reason for that, let me know)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: are you speaking of the item http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/aQhMA/?raw=true ?
asciilifeform: ( snippet paste is from the classical 1.4.10 )
asciilifeform: and gotta point out, gcd and lcm not the same, gcd(x,y)*lcm(x,y)=x*y (proof left as exercise)
diana_coman: asciilifeform, at key generation really, classical 1.4.10, snippet here: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/GWFnN/?raw=true
diana_coman: asciilifeform, where the fuck did I say gcd and lcm same??
diana_coman: phi = (p-1)*(q-1)
diana_coman: lcm = phi / gcd(p-1, q-1)
asciilifeform: possibly i misread the orig comment, where seemed to be used interchangeably
diana_coman: phi and lcm relatively same, NOT lcm and gcd
asciilifeform: ok there it is.
shinohai: !!up btcvixen
btcvixen: so what do I have to do?
shinohai: Welcome btcvixen .... hafta to lurk until mircea_popescu comes online
btcvixen: what do I Have to decorate on my tits now?
shinohai: He should be here any time now
shinohai: Yeah, he will give you a unique string to write on your tits, take pic/upload/ get paid.
btcvixen: oh neat.
btcvixen: where do I prove I've been naked before?
shinohai: Well in otc you said you were on cam?
btcvixen: i have cam4 profile, chaturbate profile
shinohai: Should be sufficient then
btcvixen: shinohai, can i whore my stuff here?
apeloyee: possible reason for http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-08#1766967 is NIST FIPS 186-4: " The exponent d shall be a positive integer value such that 2^(nlen/2) d < LCM(p–1, q–1)" (http://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/FIPS/NIST.FIPS.186-4.pdf#page=62 )
a111: Logged on 2018-01-08 14:33 diana_coman: in other gnupg-isms: it uses lcm(p-1, q-1) instead of phi itself, supposedly to make decryption faster but essentially through making the decryption exponent smaller; moreover, this is a sort of buildup on the whole pile of stink because it quite relies on p and q NOT being really random (if they really are random, chances are gcd(p-1, q-1) relatively small and therefore phi and lcm not really all that different anyway)
apeloyee: 2^(nlen/2) < d
diana_coman: "where nlen is the appropriate length for the desired security_strength" - where is this wonder in gnupg anyway
diana_coman: apeloyee, I guess that's the how come lcm, because they said so, yes
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> basically, technocucks so fucking petrified of their emotions and the structure of power, they will retreat into bikeshedding as a comfortable substitute for sanity. << Could not be more evident than in Microshit/Ubuntu "User Interface must change every major release"
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 14710.0, vol: 16245.50952799 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14589.0, vol: 56500.76635817 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 14600.0, vol: 3668.69709413 | Volume-weighted last average: 14615.2522153
BingoBoingo: In other news, datacenter meeting Wednesday morning. And ended up booking the hostel through the end of February.
shinohai: Buena suerte BingoBoingo !
BingoBoingo: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=151521435721902 y https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=151521473321941&w=2
asciilifeform: diana_coman, apeloyee : it does make d smaller. but as far as i can see it doesn't do anything interesting rsatronically
btcvixen: can i link my chaturbate channel here?
asciilifeform: ( it makes a kochtronic (i.e. variable-width) arithmetron exponentiate faster. but answer is same , as far as i can tell, as if it were not done )
diana_coman: asciilifeform, thing is: unlikely to make it much smaller anyway if p and q are chosen randomly, no?
diana_coman: useless at best is how I see it too, yes
BingoBoingo: btcvixen: Probably wouldn't hurt
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it shaves typically 1 bit
asciilifeform: q is odd, p is odd, q-1 - even , p - 1 - even
diana_coman: well yes, gcd at least 2, obv
asciilifeform: their gcd then >=2
asciilifeform: obv. this sort of misery will not be used in ffatronic rsa.
btcvixen: https://chaturbate.com/p/jadeisrad/?tab=bio twitter - @jadeisradXXX http://www.cam4.com/jadeisrad https://www.camsoda.com/jadeisrad but no one uses camsoda
btcvixen: name is Jade, btw.
apeloyee: but gpg uses CRT, thus shaving a bit off d itself ~doesn't matter. looks like "because said so"
asciilifeform: i suspect that koch was blindly following the schoolbook here.
asciilifeform: though it'd be hilarious if there were a subtle bug in mpi fdiv etc.
asciilifeform: i threw away mpi after attempting a very similar exercise to what diana_coman is doing now, and realizing that i'ma prolly never find all of the mines.
asciilifeform: and finding not-all is as good as finding none.
shinohai: Block: 503136 00000000000000000077bb565be220f1cf03648453ef421b22f516d372ceee21 <<< Gotta mine dem Empty blocks so ppl will move to BCrash!
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/42ejR << in other crackpotteries. maurer's prime cooker.
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/mN2NJ/?raw=true << whole thing in 1 .txt , for convenience. includes author's sci.crypt-style philosophizing, which is the linkworthy lul to begin with
hanbot: !!up btcvixen
hanbot: btcvixen> name is Jade, btw. << welcome Jade, where are ya from?
btcvixen: new jersey
btcvixen: shore area :)
hanbot: oh hey, i don't think there's any other jersey talent here atm, i guess you get to be de-facto miss shores. i'm in costa rica, banana area
hanbot: what do you do besides camming?
btcvixen: not much, really hoping to get into motorcycle racing
btcvixen: really the reason i started camming
mircea_popescu: dun dun dun
hanbot: if motorcycle racing plucked most participants from camsites i wager it'd be a lot more interesting, personally ;p
mircea_popescu: hanbot you mean the camhos or the zombies "watching" ?
hanbot: the former, naturally
mircea_popescu: i could see it.
BingoBoingo: Honestly incorporating that into the act could motivate the punters to part with the cash faster
mircea_popescu: btcvixen oh, were you here to tits ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo considering the death of the indiancandy experiment... i expect the pebkac.
hanbot: BingoBoingo totally, camhos and sportsbooks were made for each other, no idea why there's nothing doing atm
ben_vulpes: ohey, btcvixen
shinohai: indiancandy came by as sofiababy last night while I was afk mircea_popescu .... still need a voice for the pr thing ?
shinohai does like her for her Brit voice at least ....
btcvixen: hey ben_vulpes
btcvixen: mircea_popescu, yes
btcvixen: I have been patiently waiting here for this, almost in disbelief in what sort of digital harem you've managed to accumulate.
ben_vulpes: btcvixen: didja get bored of the #-otc babbling?
mircea_popescu: shinohai a what now ?
mircea_popescu: btcvixen holy shit you've got like an irc client and everything ? what are you, like a geek ?
btcvixen: lol, i've been spectating it for several years.
shinohai: There was a mention of needing a voiceover for tmsr radio production? I can dig inlogs
mircea_popescu: btcvixen use 4bf34cdf
btcvixen: mircea_popescu, i generated 6600 coins cpu back in 2010, unfortuantely i got raped and spent them on heroin and they were gone by march of 2012 when they were worth $2 a pop
btcvixen: i've been cleaned up since march though, but i really could've used that $100 million
mircea_popescu: the logs thank you for this story.
btcvixen: instead i'm camwhoring.
mircea_popescu: !!key btcvixen
mircea_popescu: jeez, look at that even.
btcvixen: I was thinking of writing a book.... entitled "from hashcodes to Heroin: a bitcoin legacy"
shinohai imagines gabriel _ladell reading with interest, preparing marriage proposal .....
mircea_popescu: !!rate btcvixen best 100mn heroin story.
mircea_popescu: uh i mean
mircea_popescu: !!rate btcvixen 1 best 100mn heroin story.
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/vt0pj/?raw=true
btcvixen: okay lemme go get a sharpie and my tits lol.
asciilifeform: i'll read, to find out... wtf is a 'hashcode'
btcvixen: oh cool, already got my tits.
btcvixen: ask mircea
ben_vulpes: btcvixen: lol i was gonna ask where you keep 'em
mircea_popescu: yeah asciilifeform you should ask me computing things when you don't know what they are.
mircea_popescu: because some can be hard/obscure.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: in a wooden holster, opposite from the one with the mauser, naturally
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: hue, ofc how silly of me
ben_vulpes: these are good logs boys
btcvixen: mircea_popescu, can i throw my twitter or chaturbate there too or just the code?
shinohai: Precisely how large are those tits ffs ?
btcvixen: actually i might skip that part since it's hard enough to write numbers mirrored on my own tits
btcvixen: mircea_popescu, case sensitive?
mircea_popescu: either way
ben_vulpes: btcvixen: cannot draw visual palindromes on demand?
ben_vulpes: teh shame
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes do you also have any questions about computer things i could answer for you ?
mircea_popescu: ask asciilifeform .
mircea_popescu does a meppy jig
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: y'mean the scratchings in the sand that pass for script on isle of java ?
asciilifeform: i dunno anyother kind!11!
mircea_popescu: this is because you have to ask me about computing like things asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: here, i wrote a trilema article on it :
asciilifeform: aha, gotta ask mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: IT IS FROM 2013! ALL THIS WAS FORETOLD
ben_vulpes: heyyyyy mircea_popescu why are programmers so angry
mircea_popescu: cuz they've no crypto for heroin.
ben_vulpes: "we will *not* be shooting up, omfg. we will be *snorting* like civilized adults."
mircea_popescu: why, you like the mononostril look ?
btcvixen: mircea_popescu, https://imgur.com/a/xhfTl
ben_vulpes: NOFACE REEEEEEEE
btcvixen: i can add face my mistake
mircea_popescu: get yer mug in there btcvixen
btcvixen: i have no make up though
ben_vulpes: autism alarms
mircea_popescu: lol so make up. BUT YOU HAVE ONLY HALF HOUR
asciilifeform: um is this another brendafdez
ben_vulpes: your favorite kind, asciilifeform !
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-08#1766977 << i don't see the problem with using the actual spec. koch "optimizations" not really useful.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-08 15:02 diana_coman: phi and lcm relatively same, NOT lcm and gcd
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's that mean ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: synthetic chix
shinohai: oh ... oh ....oh
mircea_popescu: as in what, not huge tits ? chromosomally xy ? which ?
asciilifeform: the latter
mircea_popescu: dude theo de radt discussing "Captured"... gimme a fucking break
trinque: BingoBoingo: ey, got a quote back from Latechco on a rack. PM if you want to compare
mircea_popescu: awww, jesus. btcvixen listen! this dun work for "transgender"! what did you think "any human female" meant ?!
trinque: BingoBoingo: not trying to rent the thing for you; just gathering ammo to help.
mircea_popescu: !!up btcvixen
btcvixen: my id says female though
btcvixen: i can show you that
btcvixen: do you ask for anyone elses vagina/
btcvixen: or do you have special rules for me based on a whisper?
ben_vulpes: fiat id reeeeeeeee
asciilifeform: trinque: i could use this, actually, in re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759305
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 01:25 asciilifeform: !~later tell BingoBoingo where was that hoster that'll host peculiarly small boxes , that you were using back in the day ? i have a buncha http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754247 that fit exactly those dimensions
ben_vulpes: (all you really need to see are the knuckles hue)
btcvixen: You asked for females to show you tits. I am female, I showed you tits. Why are my real tits less legitimate than a female with silicon tits?
mircea_popescu: btcvixen well, if you're curious about procedure, l1 invalidated your claim and you're sol. kinda how things work here.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes has it; 'whisper' was not prompted by a secret dislike of asciilifeform's of people who start with 'b'
mircea_popescu: but procedural approach isn't worth much in the republic anyway.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: first people whose names start with 't' and now 'b'
ben_vulpes: clearly a tigot
mircea_popescu: btcvixen no, the substantive issue is that you are not female ; you would like to be, which is fine, but it doesn't do anything.
btcvixen: but i am female
mircea_popescu: do you understand what "female" means ?
asciilifeform: and i'ma rhinoceros!
btcvixen: i would have been fine if ben_vulpes did not blow up my spot.
ben_vulpes: excuse me?
mircea_popescu: the fact thjat you might've gotten away with fraud doesn't actually change the argument.
btcvixen: it's not fraud, i am who i am.
btcvixen: I am female.
btcvixen: shinohai, did you purposefully bring me here to mock me?
mircea_popescu: the claim "i am female" is fraudulent ; you are male and will die male. this is something decided at birth and unalterable.
btcvixen: is this the purpose of your whole little thing?
mircea_popescu: if you are confused on the matter, pick a cell and a chromosome count kid, see if the sex chromosome is xx or xy.
btcvixen: why is it when i am hormonally female i function so much more clearly and feel so much more comfortable
btcvixen: there's XX males and XY females
btcvixen: just because your personal philosophy doesn't accept who i am as a person doesn't invalidate me or my identity.
mircea_popescu: btcvixen no, actually, nobody gives a shit about the obscure "i am genderconfused" demo either. the purpose is for the ~5bn extand females to earn a penny ; the 50k or whatever overfed white boys with too much tiome on their time isn't foremost on anyone's mind.
mircea_popescu: btcvixen my personal philosophy doesn't enter into any of this.
btcvixen: Yes it does, as my government id says "Sex: F"
btcvixen: and you are denying me what you asked for females
mircea_popescu: your government is about as interesting as one instance of dorks playing monopoly.
asciilifeform: and ihear in europistan you can get 'Sex: martian' nao
btcvixen: where do you get off on this?
mircea_popescu: now -- stop making fraudulent claims, and find something useful to do for yourslef, there's more in the republic than titswriting.
btcvixen: i did what you asked for, why not extend yourself as promised. I told you who I am. I know who I am.
btcvixen: just because you say otherwise doesn't mean anything. You may have money but the one thing you don't have is authority over my identity.
mircea_popescu: if you persist i'll also negrate you.
btcvixen: I know who I am, and any little opinion you have is worthless to me.
mircea_popescu: aite then.
btcvixen: My mind, my strength, and my integrity are worth far more than those 2 bitcents of pittance you offer me.
shinohai: btcvixen: nope, but the heroin story was grand.
mircea_popescu: !!rate btcvixen -1 attempted to scam bitcoin through fraudulent claims.
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/oAkZv/?raw=true
btcvixen: yeah it would have helped... but overall you just seem to be a shallow man that doesn't seem to realize the entire scope of human individuality
mircea_popescu: !!down btcvixen
asciilifeform: this is almost as preeecious as alice_
mircea_popescu: the gall, you know.
ben_vulpes: good monday, #trilema! are there any other marginalized characters who want to line up for a stomping?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes incredible what sort of inflexible thinker ends up sucked into the whole "no rly, i r gurl" subculture.
ben_vulpes: the speed at which the immune system kicked in was pretty impressive
ben_vulpes: "do we really hav to do this? IN 201y!?!?!"
shinohai: asciilifeform: did not know until now that Bfernandez was xy
asciilifeform: shinohai: iirc was upfront about it
trinque: I mean.. it was apparent
asciilifeform: some folx are honest
mircea_popescu: somehow "The vaguely amused forum + mp rating is worth WAY the fuck more than whatever self-delusions i nurse, let me put this to use" is apparently inaccessible.
shinohai: I think I only spoke 2-3 times when I first came here with them
mircea_popescu: da fuck anyone could possibly care about anything OTHER than " got hanbot to talk to me and mp rated me"
shinohai: The moar you know
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: prolly just heard 'ooh there's a chan where some weirdo's handing out phreecoinz'
shinohai doesn't think he has ever seen a bfernandez pic
mircea_popescu: shinohai certainly didn't attempt to defraud, the fernandez.
shinohai: Nah, it was my fault I saw over in #otc where was advertising cam links, I linked to article. But is user's responsibility to read
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you mean in the way "just heard there's weird internet money let me spend it all" ?
mircea_popescu: shinohai do a skim over see if there's "transsexual" or w/e mentioned, spare the future tulpas the rude reawakening.
mircea_popescu would be very impressed to see one that got this clue running, but does not expect to.
shinohai adds this to the list. along with his rejection of Colombian cows in the future ....
mircea_popescu: after all, if brain worked, situation wouldn't exist.
asciilifeform: btw supposedly in usa these 'beauties' with delusions of femality, regularly get themselves savagely beaten/knifed/floating in river , when attempting to act on said delusions with street demographic that takes кто ты по жизни seriously
trinque: that just feeds into the precious cuntlet narrative in head
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i expect.
asciilifeform: aha, it gets spun into an ohnoez mediacircus with some regularity
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-08#1767034 << nah, banano is by limon.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-08 16:46 hanbot: oh hey, i don't think there's any other jersey talent here atm, i guess you get to be de-facto miss shores. i'm in costa rica, banana area
hanbot: fuck me, i'm lost in the fruit salad
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: this wasn't always the case, once upon a time the trannies in times square were more likely to knife a less-than-complimentary strolling banker
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes when was this time, other than in pantsuit alt-history ?
ben_vulpes: at that time though the banker was likely in the square for the trade anyways, and so would know how to talk
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: 70s
ben_vulpes: when gay men were real men
mircea_popescu: ~only thing the weirdos ever knifed was their own, take the scum manifesto nutjob that iirc was on trilema even
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes this ~never happened.
asciilifeform: iirc 'scum' was an actual female
ben_vulpes: well look i've got you on one hand and the gay elders who despise my generation on the other, one of you actually lived in new york on the scene in heels before it was cleaned up
mircea_popescu: pre stonewall inn gay men were ~police-beating-dummies, and post well... media whores. this "gay men, real men" thing may be a conflatioin with the west coast biker/leather bdsm gay scene, but
mircea_popescu: more of a mythological rehistory (like the "castles in europe" etc) than factual.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yes, about a third of the whores i shot porn with.
mircea_popescu: aaanyway, i shall go buy more suits and things nao, so we can continue this laters.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/8P84I/?raw=true
diana_coman: !!up Swant
deedbot: Swant voiced for 30 minutes.
diana_coman: lol, from Ikea Swant ?
Swant: Nope just a bad in-joke
Swant: I'm in no way related to ikea xD
diana_coman: so who are you?
Swant: Well I'm just a normal freenode staffer and wanted to check in on what this channel is as it was brought to my attention
diana_coman: Swant, how is that brought to attention? like on a platter or what? btw, there are logs, help yourself
Swant: Yeah I might have to look into those
Swant: But if you have time, please tl;dr; me on the purpose of this channel
Swant: Because from what some other users have told me it's for buying and selling porn...
diana_coman: Swant, the tl;dr is in the chan's topic, no? Topic for #trilema is: You have reached The Most Serene Republic, the world's only sovereign.
Swant: Well that doesn't really clear it up for me tbf
Swant: I'm looking for the slightly longer tl;dr; then :p
shinohai: I'm curious, was the "porn selling" reported by this particular seller of pron? http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-otc/logs/2018/01/08#l1515415372.0
asciilifeform: Swant: there's a public log, going back years, http://btcbase.org/log
shinohai: If so, wrong chan
diana_coman: trouble is that TMSR doesn't quite fit in tl;dr other than that, so ...it's logs; anyways, there is search function, guess search for porn selling or whatevs
BingoBoingo: Major projects in this channel include hardware TRNGs, OS replacement utilities written in ADA, and other peer to peer and noone else communications tools
ben_vulpes: https://www.zmescience.com/science/oceanography/melting-ice-sea-rise-08012018/ << ocean bottom is deforming but this means that sea level actually rose more than was previously guessed at rising!
BingoBoingo: !!up Swant
deedbot: Swant voiced for 30 minutes.
ben_vulpes: in other self contradictions of life under american socialism, google is facing class action lawsuits from both men and women claiming different kinds of discrimination
ben_vulpes: https://techcrunch.com/2018/01/08/james-damore-just-filed-a-class-action-lawsuit-against-google-saying-it-discriminates-against-white-male-conservatives/ title all really one needs for the day's chuckles
ben_vulpes: (damore, for anyone who forgot, was fired from google for thoughtcrime)
shinohai: Moar google lulz ..... I'm still in stitches over them getting all their bikes yanked, and spending investigation monies into finding out how this could possibly happen.
TomServo: In other news, A federal judge dismissed all charges against rancher Cliven Bundy, his two sons and another man on Monday.
TomServo: U.S. District Judge Gloria Navarro cited "flagrant prosecutorial misconduct" in her decision to dismiss all charges against the Nevada rancher and three others.
trinque: mistrial == avoiding setting precedent eh?
asciilifeform: aaha, pretty handy
ben_vulpes: trinque: what precedent?
trinque: iirc these guys shot back at the feds?
trinque: if so, that. any situation where "shot back and won"
ben_vulpes: i don't see how this isn't a won except in the minds of the feds
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: no precedent gets set. and since the 'double jeopardy' restriction in usa is as good as gone, the same d00dz can be re-accused and re-tried later by obummer-II or whoever
shinohai: Any students of prb here know what this Lightning shit is? http://archive.is/pLqJN
asciilifeform: shinohai: 'offchain'ism
shinohai: More not Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-08#1767262 << except, of course, the one that got shot.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-08 20:20 TomServo: In other news, A federal judge dismissed all charges against rancher Cliven Bundy, his two sons and another man on Monday.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-08#1767269 << i would say you're exactly correct. "shooting at usg men is always the right move ; if you do it you'll win ; do not think of this".
a111: Logged on 2018-01-08 20:26 trinque: if so, that. any situation where "shot back and won"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-08#1767272 << replacement of bluematt's original "let's not really fix the peer problem" "solution"
a111: Logged on 2018-01-08 20:30 shinohai: Any students of prb here know what this Lightning shit is? http://archive.is/pLqJN
shinohai: !#s XMSS
a111: 0 results for "XMSS", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=XMSS
ben_vulpes: in other convergences, one of the 'keybase' faces nominally also 'built' the 'okcupid' thing mike_c now runs
mircea_popescu: hey, the sv circus dun really have that many faces.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: canhaz link ?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: https://chriscoyne.com/
asciilifeform: lol sparknotes
mircea_popescu: let's make this point plain, as apparently somehow it's not self-evident : acting like a mongoloid does not get you "suave" brownie points. it gets you mongoloid points.
ben_vulpes: > malgorithms
mircea_popescu: there's something wrong with lanky adult failing to understand what the problem with child bikes are.
asciilifeform: face begs for brick.
asciilifeform: harvard face.
mircea_popescu: more like "community college in the general harvard area" but w/e. splitting pubes.
mircea_popescu: !!up pehbot
deedbot: pehbot voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !A .~.~.~.2.4.8X
mircea_popescu: !A .~.~.~.2.4.7X
mircea_popescu: !A .~.~.~.2.4.7X#
pehbot: mircea_popescu: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000002
mircea_popescu: !A .~.~.~.2.4.8X#
pehbot: mircea_popescu: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
mircea_popescu: this is remarkably fast considering what it does!
asciilifeform: egyptian modexp is a o(n^3) op
mircea_popescu: myeah. judicious choice, at that.
asciilifeform: ( recall, PeterL verified empirically )
mircea_popescu: !A .~.~.~.115792089237316195423570985008687907853269984665640564039457584007913129639935.57896044618658097711785492504343953926634992332820282019728792003956564819957.2X#
pehbot: mircea_popescu: EGGOG: Pos: 71: Constant Exceeds Bitness!
asciilifeform: ^ hint : goto col 71 and zap forward
asciilifeform: it tells you exactly where
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is pos 71 actually in any way transformable to pa ha!
mircea_popescu: this is pretty well thought out!
asciilifeform: it's a nonforward+nonbackward-looking parser, if you will.
asciilifeform: i.e. '1' actually is just shiftleft-by-4-and-or-with-1
asciilifeform: i.e. 'A' actually is just shiftleft-by-4-and-or-with-A
mircea_popescu: !~calc 2^256 - 1
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 2^256 - 1 = 1.157920892373162E77
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sooo... not 256 bit then ?
mircea_popescu: what am i missing here ?
asciilifeform: !A .~#
pehbot: asciilifeform: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
asciilifeform: there you go
mircea_popescu: o damn i forgot.
mircea_popescu: !A .~.~.~.FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF5.4FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF.2X#
pehbot: mircea_popescu: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001
asciilifeform: if you read ch4 you'll know all there is to know about it, it's simple, like kalash
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch4_ffacalc#L194 << from here , to end of ffa_calc.adb, whole mechanism.
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 14978.98, vol: 16664.61012220 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14900.0, vol: 64596.19423353 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 14904.7, vol: 3924.80854617 | Volume-weighted last average: 14915.6671703
mircea_popescu: !!pay pete_dushenski 0.58441904
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/nzwCy/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: If anyone wants to take samples from a roach den http://archive.is/EmGTv
ben_vulpes: lol dafuq is an orderly exit "we will take these mining rigs and give you these yuan good luck fellas"?
mircea_popescu: !!key esthlos
ben_vulpes: assuming anyone knows where the large hashpower actually lives, and it isn't under the protection of whomever granted access to the low-cost-juice already
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes kinda hard not to know ; sensitive to the same process of discovery as "hydroponic" pot farm
asciilifeform: lol except for the ones disguised as bauxite refineries
mircea_popescu: but there's a) permits required to bauxite refinery which includes inspections and b) trivially ennumerable set.
asciilifeform: !#s china is a bug
a111: 1 result for "china is a bug", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=china%20is%20a%20bug
asciilifeform: and yes.
mircea_popescu: kinda why the ancient http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-13#920246
a111: Logged on 2014-11-13 21:27 mircea_popescu: assbot: Cloud&Heat is putting servers in homes and offices and the heat from them is free. << o look, one step closer to the bitcoin miner heating tile element.
ben_vulpes: easier at the powerplants too
mircea_popescu: but, human species consisting of ~morons, obviously that STILL wasn't done.
ben_vulpes: easy to hide miners at powerplants, i mean to say
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes "easy" and "miner" goes trogether about as well as "sexy" and "fat" pair.
mircea_popescu: ie, you need a certain unreal perspective.
asciilifeform: i'll observe that i can't yet buy a conventional-comp-that-is-waterheater either, even though it'd be quite handy ( i already have multi-kW water heater item )
mircea_popescu: you'd expecvt the "watercooling" folk went that way, but neh.
mircea_popescu: tho from an engineering pov this is quite trivial, if you look at how kitted the euro natgas heaters are...
asciilifeform: laughably trivial. units on the market : 0.
mircea_popescu: it'd be ~nothing to preheat the water in comp. but... why think and especially why obey when could instead go wahwahwah special cuntlet.
mircea_popescu: that's what's the bug, "baby you can do anything!!1".
mircea_popescu: habsburg empire was built by the knuth. the ~other~ one.
mircea_popescu: to date there's no other way.
mircea_popescu: back then, you didn't have (in the sense, you didn't perceive a batshit insane, thoroughly delusional obligation) to explain shit to the plebs.
mircea_popescu: "it puts the cream on or it gets the knuth again" shall be the whole of the law.
asciilifeform: but also back then it was faberge egg (i.e. craftsmanship), rather than industry
asciilifeform: ( recall the 'mass production is a bug' thread )
mircea_popescu: i'd call it industry rather than mass production.
mircea_popescu: the item in "industrial revolution" has ~nothing to do with toyota.
asciilifeform: right, e.g. cannon were mass-produced long before industry (in the mass-marketism sense)
mircea_popescu: they're distinct threads in human civilisation (as opposed to human culture). textile was mass produced long before it was industrialized also.
mircea_popescu: similarily salted fish, grain, women, and a few other staples.
asciilifeform: and it isn't as if it is a total mystery what current-day machinery produced in the ludovic-13 cannon style look like. looks like lockheed et al
mircea_popescu: massmarketization visible from moon, by specific scar tissue around item
asciilifeform: upstack re chinese : not clear why anybody thinks this is not the 17th (or whatver, i lost count) iteration of ck-kpss's algo for snarfing up cheap coinz ('ban', buy, 'unban')
mircea_popescu: eh, ban my foot.
mircea_popescu: all this self-important nonsense. "ban" don't you know.
asciilifeform: they do it >1ce/yr nao
asciilifeform: worx on the weakhands presumably
mircea_popescu: i'm sure.
asciilifeform: hey, if you have a switch that reliably moves the exch rate even slightly down, and when released -- back up -- that there's an engine.
asciilifeform: can do work.
asciilifeform: a sort of hydro plant powered by idjits.
mircea_popescu: powered by your own arse.
mircea_popescu: costs them more to run it than it makes them, but, by all means, please, more of the wahwahwah special cuntlet behaviour, i don't mind.
mircea_popescu: people who were abused in their childhood under the guise of "education" (ie, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-06#1679600 ) fail to realise that... everything is an engine. including repeatedly stepping on a rake in the grass, or geting the plague.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-06 15:09 mircea_popescu: which is how every god damned kid that was sexually abused through the process of socialist schooling (which is all of them -- education is education, and socialist school is definitionally sexual abuse of all children involved) ends up with the idea that newton sat down TO discover whatever he did (unimportant, really) and THEREFORE he did.
asciilifeform: not clear to me what it costs chinese ck
asciilifeform: all they gotta do is step on fud gas, then unstep
mircea_popescu: well, the fanfics are in the business of credibility, generally.
mircea_popescu: what it costs them is being taken seriously.
mircea_popescu: (contrary to what literary personages like to pretend, there's no hardware hack for this, can parade all the missile trucks they want, it's still a literary phenomenon.)
asciilifeform: ( re ck: oblig https://songstext.ru/tekst-pesni-huj-zabej-tualet-perevod-slova-pesni/ << circa '89! even )
mircea_popescu: a lot has changed since the 80s
asciilifeform: from asciilifeform's admittedly distant perch, loox as if cn knew the seekret of 'eternal '80s'
asciilifeform: but i've nfi.
mircea_popescu: i suspect that secret consists of alf not having looked at anything other than.
mircea_popescu: which can't blame anyone for, it's ~junk anyway.
deedbot: http://thewhet.net/2018/01/the-trilema-article-database-a-toollet/ << The Whet - The Trilema Article Database, a toollet.
mircea_popescu: lmao read "toilet" first pas, was like wutwutWUT
BingoBoingo: a toilset!
mircea_popescu: hanbot i just looked, it's actually only 8`119. somehow.
mircea_popescu: i confess it FEELS like 100k.
mircea_popescu: but... maybe in time.
hanbot: ohshit, even with all the wikileaks itams?
mircea_popescu: wikileaks not really that big.
hanbot: okay then. diminunizing claims!
mircea_popescu: hanbot looked into the dewey decimal system btw ?
mircea_popescu: how goes mod6
hanbot: mircea_popescu i did not.
mod6: mircea_popescu: hey, ok! way behind on things, but otherwise good.
mod6 catches up on l0gz
mircea_popescu: i'm vaguely curious how useful this'd be, "article X includes 003/101/209/309/402/801/908 !"
mircea_popescu: oh and 918.
mircea_popescu: (geography and travel in south america)
hanbot: mircea_popescu do you see a specific advantage it'd offer?
hanbot: yeah cross-referencing could get...noodly
mircea_popescu: well, to the sort of people who have it preloaded in their heads, it'd offer an advantage of convenience. also perhaps machine-classifiable.
mircea_popescu has toyed with the idea of replacing current "Categories" with some kind of dewey-ism.
mircea_popescu: tho it'd get gnarly.
hanbot: also not sure it's sufficiently detailed to handle the occult topics...what is the number for anal torture? but i'll have a looksy anyhow
mircea_popescu: (tbh, i think it's somewhat shameful the item doesn't come preloaded as a default in wordpress ; it SHOULD by rights, that's what fucking culture is about in the first place, offer the classes preloaded ffs.)
mircea_popescu: hanbot it can get pretty fucking 9 digit detailed. i just vaguely remember the general leads
mircea_popescu: and some narrower interest lengthier classes.
BingoBoingo: <hanbot> also not sure it's sufficiently detailed to handle the occult topics...what is the number for anal torture? but i'll have a looksy anyhow << It's there. The time consuming part is the cutter numbers after the .
hanbot: hmm. okay
mircea_popescu: oh, this is actually BingoBoingo 's field huh ?
asciilifeform: in other experimental noose, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-06#1766135 >> -gnatp ( max danger moad ) is ~2x measured speedup.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-06 23:05 asciilifeform: btw i prolly oughta have mentioned, the timing figures (not only in ch6, but all posted to date) presume that ~all~ bounds-checks remain enabled.
BingoBoingo: Well, years ago
asciilifeform: ( see also https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.6.1/gnat_ugn_unw/Run_002dTime-Checks.html )
shinohai: Just read your post .... nifty work hanbot!
mod6: asciilifeform: you're gonna do the asm unroll with the bounds checks tho right/
asciilifeform: experiment was in re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-06#1766136 .
a111: Logged on 2018-01-06 23:05 asciilifeform: if one is satisfied with the nonoverflowability of the array refs , under all possible inputs , it is possible to yank'em. and get order-of-magnitude speedup.
asciilifeform: figure applies to errything. i.e. for any given nontrivial ada proggy, the cost of the checks is about 2x.
asciilifeform: ffa is one of the very few ( i dun expect to see another ) proggies where you can prove bounds. because the array indices do not EVER depend on the inputs.
asciilifeform: ( ffa specifically. in ffa_calc, very obviously they do , in the stack mechanism . however the inner loops, i.e. 99.9999...% of the time is spent, in ffa proper. )
asciilifeform: this being said, whether to build with -gnatp is personal choice of the operator. not mine.
mod6: i may be mis-remembering this, just thought there was a plan to take the disassembly and produce asm that you would then fabricate possibly?
mod6: or did i hallucinate that?
asciilifeform: mod6: separate project.
asciilifeform: mod6: in a from-the-ground asming, you dun need to do the ruinously expensive synthetic carryflag thing
asciilifeform: and yes you also get to unroll for particular bitness
mod6: ahh gotcha.
asciilifeform: it is worth to keep in mind that ffa is , to steal from knuth, 'for readers to read first, and for machine to execute second'
asciilifeform: it is a simple guide to the making of sane arithmetron. that can be hand-compiled with reasonable effort to whatever arch.
asciilifeform: without an ada compiler at all.
asciilifeform: mod6: the discussion of disassembly was a separate one, concerning audit of 'wtf actually comes out of this-here gnat'
mircea_popescu: in fact all code is first and foremost literary work. that (some of it) machines can run is about as interesting as which kinds of smoothies flies favour.
asciilifeform: aha. given correct human-readables, you can always make a mechanism. but very muchly not vice-versa
mircea_popescu: also re "epicycles", should prolly link http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1487207 (or the other one, iirc we had a better discussion somewhewre as to how actual clocks were "hacked" over time to catch up with the moving solar function, resulting in these cvasi-organic piles of patches upon patches making the original mechanism barely comprehensible). imo the better example ; anyone who's seen a medieval clock can't help but b
a111: Logged on 2016-06-22 17:12 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1486970 << you know, the proposition that drugs enhance the mind is not so unlikely from the proposition that hanging polished stones of various colors, dead parrots and other detritus from the weights of a grandfather clock improve its timekeeping accuracy.
mircea_popescu: e impressed by the insanity made manifest.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767465 << this also serves as a better statement of naggum's "free software failed" argument. it is ~worthless to obtain access to insanity mechanized.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-09 01:45 asciilifeform: aha. given correct human-readables, you can always make a mechanism. but very muchly not vice-versa
mircea_popescu: the point is to force the sort of people who are actually insane out of the production process entirely ; and to keep them out permanently.
mircea_popescu: consider : if microsoft word worked correctly, I WOULDN'T EVEN NEED TO READ ITS CODE. not because "oh, practically no need" but because I WOULD ALREADY KNOW WHAT IT SAID. because there's no other way to say it.
mircea_popescu: it is, after all, a deterministic machine.
mircea_popescu: in short, i don't want to read what sort of code apple wrote ; i want apple to never write any code again as long as any of them live.
mircea_popescu: !#s "not glad he's dead but glad he's gone"
a111: 0 results for "\"not glad he's dead but glad he's gone\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22not%20glad%20he%27s%20dead%20but%20glad%20he%27s%20gone%22
mircea_popescu: o rly ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767477 >> https://stallman.org/archives/2011-jul-oct.html#06_October_2011_%28Steve_Jobs%29
a111: Logged on 2018-01-09 01:59 mircea_popescu: !#s "not glad he's dead but glad he's gone"
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767408 << neato hanbot
a111: Logged on 2018-01-09 00:52 deedbot: http://thewhet.net/2018/01/the-trilema-article-database-a-toollet/ << The Whet - The Trilema Article Database, a toollet.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/lucy/ << Trilema - Lucy