asciilifeform: virtually 100% envirowhinerism, 'solutions' for the turd world, or 'accomplishments' of the Officially Sad
asciilifeform: to continue with mit thread: and to answer whaack's question: yes being associated with modern mit (vs 1980s and prior) is a serious strike against you. especially if you 'succeed' there. or, heaven help you, employed therein
asciilifeform: ^ see his article on why he allowed his iconic 'structure and interpretation of computer programming' course to get the axe.
asciilifeform tries to recall mircea_popescu's post re: how modern notion of 'chain of command' applied to medieval structures is simplistic; remembers that www is down
asciilifeform: danced the hempen jig, he did.
asciilifeform: or is dmca precisely what it appears to be - a bludgeon for riaa/mpaa to use, and anything else is incidental noise.
asciilifeform knows of no serious cases of such damages having been imposed, but - ianal!
asciilifeform: so after umpteen many warnings, the king's men roust all the bums that can be rousted, and dynamite the place.
asciilifeform: when i worked, many years ago, at 'nih' in bethesda, maryland - they experimented with reintroducing elevator-drivers. as i understood, it was merely an employment program for the Officially Sad
asciilifeform: inadvertently revealing that, not only did he sleep in school, but did not even contemplate cracking open a book
asciilifeform: he was attempting to abuse the very basic mathematical concept of 'eigenvalue', and referred to it, repeatedly, in print as 'igon value'.
asciilifeform: there is 'britannica' circa 1958 - the most complete edition - which i own
asciilifeform: i happen to own this toy: http://www.cnet.com/news/the-gizmo-report-wikireader-simple-singular
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://vilavi.ru/pes/aviamarsh/avi1.shtml << example. massive mega-historical-derp re: whether nazi stole an iconic song, 'aviators' march', from su, or vice-versa
asciilifeform: i will not re-tell the 'vagrancy laws' thing here, it is amply covered in the literature.
asciilifeform: unlike the english world, for example
asciilifeform: 'On April 9, a search warrant was served at Tucker's home and a computer had an operating system used by hackers, DPS said.'
asciilifeform: eers seemed to work reasonably well there. It's just not a business model in which I wish to be involved, at least not on the component-provider side. So after a year at Google I quit and returned to JPL.' << the once well-known erann gatt, aka ron garrett.
asciilifeform: a local frustration maximum. ... One of the reasons I decided to go work for Google was that they were not using Java. So of course you can guess what my first assignment was: lead the inaugural Java development at the company, what eventually became Google AdWords. ... And that was the end of Lisp at Google. In retrospect I am not convinced that he made the wrong decision. The interchangeable component model of software engin
asciilifeform: word "training" in relation to professional activities. Training is what you do to dogs. What you should be doing with people is educating them, not training them. There is a big, big difference.) To my mind, the hallmark of the interchangeable component model of software engineers is Java. Without going into too many details, I'll just say that having programmed in Lisp the shortcomings of Java are glaringly obvious, and pro
asciilifeform: 'One of the reasons I stayed at JPL for twelve years was that I was appalled at what the software industry had become. The management world has tried to develop software engineering processes that allow people to be plugged into them like interchangeable components. The "interface specification" for these "components" usually involves a list of tools in which an engineer has received "training." (I really detest the use of the
asciilifeform: or - worse - to the chump market.
asciilifeform: 'Using such inferior languages is like asking a chef who could have done wonders with any kind of raw materials, to use a dirty kitchen, a broken refrigerator with food that is about to die a second time, broken tools, and brownish tap water that tasted of swamp land. His first task would be to clean up the place. Creating food in there would be the furthest from his mind. That's how I feel about Perl and C++. I prefer to
asciilifeform: 'hired to solve problem' means that you are theoretically free to do it with a computer made of trained squirrels pushing trinary equations, so long as this fits the constraints set by the client.
asciilifeform: Chillum: a tame creature you keep around because enjoy its company.
asciilifeform: it is a uniquely mind-destroying paradigm, also, because it makes reasoning about actual cost of execution on actual hardware virtually impossible.
ascii_field: 'A 14-year-old middle school student in Holiday, Florida, was arrested this week and charged with "an offense against a computer system and unauthorized access," which is a felony. The student reportedly used an administrator password to log into a teacher's computer and change the background image to a photo of two men kissing. The student also revealed his secrets after he was caught – the password was the teacher'
ascii_field: trinque: that is a formulation for the simple
ascii_field: what particular state religion is in use, is unimportant so long as ufimtsev et al can do their thing.
ascii_field: empires - age. and die. like people.
ascii_field: how did aztecs stay in business long enough to build their pyramid temples?
ascii_field: and every other mega-empire
ascii_field: trinque: consider an example:
ascii_field: the tech level to allow -one individual who can hold the design in his mind- to attempt it - wasn't there yet.
ascii_field: see, idiot derps who do not know the state of the art and say that they do not need to, because taiwan isn't making it and their corner computer store isn't selling it - belong in africa.
ascii_field: funkenstein_: i am always entertained by folks commenting 'he does not know history of computing', when themselves they do not even know most of it, because it happened on the wrong side of the atlantic
ascii_field: 'that the protection stuff like checking array boundaries and pointer validity can be handled by the compiler just as effectively as it can in hardware, with the running product a lot faster and a lot simpler to build.' << imbecilic garbage
ascii_field: srsly this is not a secret, there is ample literature on what actually happens to idiot schmucks who think that money is magical
ascii_field: Even after the fall of the roman empire gold had value << aha, very valuable, but nothing in particular attaches it to your earthly carcass.
ascii_field: trinque: so corporatize the "chumpatron", not the lab, and own both >> see my comment to mircea_popescu >> http://trilema.com/2015/on-owning-things/#comment-113503
ascii_field: but that i knew precisely what must be done to make a computer a tolerable thing, most of a decade ago.
ascii_field: bits expensively stored as charge on si ought to be available for computing asynchronously.
ascii_field: nor am i especially interested in building yet another computer with passive memory.
ascii_field: (before anyone spits back the old paper re: the fact of c-gates implemented on xilinx fabric - go and see how many of them you can fit. and how much room left for interconnects.)
ascii_field: gabriel_laddel: not exactly. even if you could secure an infinite supply of the particular fpga, it turns out that they are not actually very general. in that you cannot efficiently implement muller c-gates in them.
ascii_field: i've been fighting a largely losing battle for many years, attempting to convince folks to imagine - in their spare time - that a computer is not necessarily von neumann and the 50 yrs of shit soup
ascii_field: 'imprinting' not in the strict zoological sense, but in that of having encountered a concept during 'formative years' when a fella is figuring out wtf 'a computer is'
ascii_field is a believer in sapir-whorf to the extent that he very much observed the braindamage caused by imprinting on certain programming concepts, in a great many people.
ascii_field: the real reason i will not compete with the 16 y.o. is not stamina per se, but that i cannot trick my brain into actually caring
ascii_field: but this is a rather separate component of effective intelligence
ascii_field: mike_c: what i did before, was entirely else - high-performance computing for chemical modelling
ascii_field: and enable particular flavours of reverse engineering which are otherwise impossible
ascii_field: i can say quite securely that no one at 'google' is employed in this capacity.
ascii_field: i cited that thing merely because it is a compact statement of essentials of naggumism.
ascii_field: thoughts concerning the futility of his existence begin to intrude upon him, of futility; old complexes sharpen, and flower into a full-blown psychological crisis...
ascii_field: The apprehension of one's inadequacy begins, of the futility of one's existence, the principal impossibility of fulfilling one's idiotic desires. But there is always a choice. If the first variant prevails, he will press on with self-improvement, the study of genuinely worthy technologies, on which there can be foundations for the creation of something better. And he will understand that no one needs him as a smart-arse.
ascii_field: But the pathetic parody of a human does not grasp that it is not enough to have a cock's crest bachelor degree or to spoodge out a few pages of code at an olympiad, to become a programmer. In the course of this revelation, the lame abortus, reject of evolution, slowly begins to comprehend that the world is very much not as he imagined it.
ascii_field: the purpose of this was to create a bug-compatible emulator
ascii_field: i mean, wtf. i actually tried to put some chumpatronium in the hopper and all i got was 'eggog'
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: that it is not unreasonable to say 'i will not compete with 16 y.o. if i have any choice in the matter'
asciilifeform: decimation: if he 'broke' it, he will simply be left holding the short end of a fork
asciilifeform: (it is quite impossible to do, outside of a classroom)
asciilifeform: but there can be no great charlatan without the great - in its own way - gaggle of imbecilic chumps to go with him.
asciilifeform: (not even speaking of cross-platform portability, but the fact of any two compilers on same platform eating up the same input and producing comparable, valid output)
asciilifeform: esp. since the 'jewel of simplicity' aspect tends to dissipate very, very quickly in unskilled hands trying to implement a modicum of actual optimization
asciilifeform: what is difficult is to implement one that is worth -using-
asciilifeform: there are approximately as many of them as there are folks with comp sci. degrees.
asciilifeform: decimation: i found that it is only any good as a 'textbook example'
ascii_field: http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20141125/NEWS04/141129858/mathematicas-wolfram-wins-fraud-case?utm_source=NEWS04&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=chicagobusiness << won.
ascii_field: (gpl did not yet exist, and ianal, but the story is complicated - it -was- taxpayer-funded research)
ascii_field: what he did was, essentially, steal a usg mega-product - macsyma, the first really universal computer algebra system, thousands of man-years of
ascii_field: the man is a crank who grew up as 'next big physics mind' who ended up coming to nothing. but turned out that he was good at harnessing other folks to pull his imperial cart.
ascii_field: to my great shame, i pumped thousands and thousands of usd into wolfram's pockets.
ascii_field: 'The real problem with this result, however, is that it is not Wolfram's. He didn't invent cyclic tag systems, and he didn't come up with the incredibly intricate construction needed to implement them in Rule 110. This was done rather by one Matthew Cook, while working in Wolfram's employ under a contract with some truly remarkable provisions about intellectual property. In short, Wolfram got to control not only when and
ascii_field: and before we say 'the americans and their wasted effort on pointless sigint' - let's recall how they set up a whole planet as chumpers who can't access a sane computing system at any price...
ascii_field: mentionable, like everything else, so long as the context is sufficiently obfuscated (or can be presumed to be unknown to the chumps)
ascii_field recalls how richard sorge, perhaps greatest spy who ever lived, still stuck to impersonating a german - rather than japanese - official, while in jp
ascii_field takes off hat, does not know anyone else who would dare to attempt it.
ascii_field: could quite easily flunk tests. could not convincingly worm into the company of folks who grew up doing so.
ascii_field: to get back to original point, that i attempted to make, - division of labour exists, and not everyone is a universal and reshapeable everything.
ascii_field: (i very clearly recall incident of specialist who dealt with chimps in the wild, getting 'chimped' after many uneventful years. but lost the link.)
ascii_field: 'when two chimpanzees grabbed his feet and pulled him under a fence into their enclosure...'
ascii_field: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/29/jane-goodall-institute-chimpanzee-eden_n_1636798.html? << just one randomly selected example
ascii_field: iirc there is a hypothesis that it is why they attack - he fails to respond to some important chimp gesture of dom/sub protocol handshake
ascii_field: man makes a terrible chimp
ascii_field: put the two together bare-handed - chimp will tear off limbs and rape the corpse
ascii_field: the point, which i evidently failed to get across, is that the man vs chimp contest requires the man to at least get a chance to sharpen a stick, in order to use his advantage over the beast
ascii_field: one could argue that this is not true, and that 'there is still as much work for systems engineers today as in '70 - because nothing really works' - but 'as much work' does not mean 'as much employment'
ascii_field: one very important fact is that a 'naggum' - if he is the genuine article - is a -destroyer- of jobs for his own kind, rather than creator thereof
ascii_field: there is not so much employment in the world for the 'naggum' variety of engineer. and one hundred percent of it is built on meat wots, years-long personal relationships and 'ins'.
ascii_field: i mentioned him at least once as specifically an example of a particularly vile species sometimes called 'digerati'
ascii_field: 'Colleges need to publicize the employment rates of recent graduates and the percentage of students who complete their degrees so that strapped parents can do cost-benefit analyses like they do with any other major cash investment.' << anyone recall the law school debacle ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: ellison is interesting for another reason. he is the undisputed emperor of 'wrote a few good stories in the '50s, famous for nothing in particular since'; loudly rants demanding eternal copyright because 'creaaaatorz have riiiiiightz!!111!!'
ascii_field: !s tuba compressor
ascii_field: i suppose you could also say that i scroll, but simply prefer to do it with eyes rather than fingers
ascii_field: the 'we want everything in www-readable plain text' concept sorta implies.
ascii_field: i actually do not like pdf, for various reasons, some of which overlap with mircea_popescu's. i prefer a wavelet-compressed format, 'djvu'
asciilifeform: in so far as this compendium remains hypothetical - snowden's beliefs are 'angels on a pin'
asciilifeform: at some point, somebody could publish a compendium of everything herr snowden spoke under actual gpg signature
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: it is difficult to imagine that cia employee would have no concept of what usg dishes out to the rest of the planet (as well as own subjects)
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: it is the 'sympathy' of torquemada for the heretic
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/09/you-know-what-doesnt-wash-your-pathetic-attempts-to-teach-the-controversy-thats-what/#comment-14820
asciilifeform: decimation: the traditional picture is each empire getting its 'correct' continent
asciilifeform: nubbins`: <nubbins`> anyone who claims to have a grasp on the processes behind these decisions is blowing smoke up your ass << the amputation folks do appear to converge on certain threads in their explanations, iirc
asciilifeform: does this count as amputation fetishism...
asciilifeform: decimation: if lacking both hands - you'd become a human 'soil compactor'
asciilifeform: nubbins`: iirc from shrink literature, proper ampuphetishists grow 'alienated' from their hand/foot/cock, coming to believe that it was a foreign object sewn on to them by martian abductors or somesuch.
asciilifeform: i assume 'self-amputated' means something other than machine-shop
asciilifeform: also terrible lack of even attempt at realism
asciilifeform: i wonder how long until sp4mz0rz start simply posting addrs in commentspam
asciilifeform: when this was accomplished - there was no further investment
asciilifeform: (i do not know of any simple means to 'netcat' these. they come out of ttyS0, as the gods intended.)
asciilifeform: ru parachutists land on a drifting ice sheet, 100km from the pole, in full gear; build camp with self-contained systems, mains power, heat, etc. at -50c.
ascii_field: and among portable computers, amd is extinct other than in 'disposable' models
ascii_field: but i will point out that it has become -nearly- impossible to assemble a proper workstation without recourse to 'antiques' vendors
ascii_field: simply by churning out 'godelian' blocks for gavincoin
ascii_field: at any rate, this gedankenexperiment is an interesting one - where does 'bug for bug compatibility' legitimately stop? are we obligated to crash for 1GB of uncoalesceable crud, or 2GB? 4? 16?
asciilifeform: economics - thermodynamics == chumpatronics.
asciilifeform: rather than now, with room-temperature weather
asciilifeform: decimation: if thermodynamically expensive - the game ends sooner than chumps expect.
asciilifeform: 'A couple of blocks from the White House, the lights went off for about 30 seconds at the Warner Theatre as Oprah Winfrey delivered a speech honoring Maya Angelou during the dedication of a new postage stamp. After a few seconds, the sound system began to work again, and Winfrey continued her delivery until the lights returned.'
asciilifeform: http://www.sfgate.com/business/article/FBI-Attack-on-PG-amp-E-substation-in-13-wasn-t-5746785.php << 'not terrorism!!'
asciilifeform: decimation: no need for xray, just buy off some outfit that handles 'palmprint' door locks for usg
asciilifeform: nubbins`: can you picture how many folks are paid to sit (not necessarily even at a computer, could be a pNohe in one hand) and wait for a bell to ring ?
ascii_field: what will a muscle computer be ..?
ascii_field: muscle computers.
ascii_field: 'The war, therefore if we judge it by the standards of previous wars, is merely an imposture. It is like the battles between certain ruminant animals whose horns are incapable of hurting one another. But though it is unreal it is not meaningless. It eats up the surplus of consumable goods, and it helps to preserve the special mental atmosphere that the hierarchical society needs. War, it will be seen, is now a purely
ascii_field: 'high-tech' fuzzers actually spot differences in branch outcomes at every conditional jump as consequence of nth bit in input having changed
ascii_field: the loss in physical plant would be comparable to a world war
ascii_field: street lamps where i live often suffer from a peculiar glitch where they switch -off- if someone walks near
ascii_field: (for light bulb - and resistive heaters, similar - compatibility.)
ascii_field: early to the game - does not translate to 'better', when the result is massive antiquated crud everywhere, that no one contemplates replacing because $maxint
ascii_field: chetty: wake me up when it hits something important
ascii_field: mats: ... similar gig as you, i imagine: working for 'the man' in compartmentalized ops, churning out weaponized exploits and such. << believe or not, i was never in this business. not even from ethical considerations, but starting with the fact that it is a -terrifyingly- dreary kind of work, carried out largely with brute force 'fuzzing' by gigantic stables of fungible slaves.
ascii_field: the kind of thing that dying empire cannot really hide for long
asciilifeform: or simply the fact of the p&p machine being loaded by hand from clips instead of magazine ?
asciilifeform: drop it somewhere it won't be tampered with, & sign it (ok if you wanna gpg it to wot folks instead of publicly)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is it because most folks need fallback employment if a job falls through? sure - but if a craftsman is needed badly, he will go on tour to antarctica. so long as the costs are covered.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fact remains, they could get reversers. it's just another kind of craftsman, like heart surgeon. they would simply have to pay the fee
asciilifeform: ^ example
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the ubiquiti example dovetails nicely with the thread re: unemployed reversers. if persians happily buy turdware, they either haven't many, or haven't any competent ones, or they are all occupied with something else (what ?)
asciilifeform: and, '...anyone with physical access to the end of the Ethernet cable to your Ubiquiti airOS-based device... ...can obtain the plain text configuration while leaving behind no trace that they dumped your configuration ...'
asciilifeform: 'It said in its prospectus that certain of its products were sold to Iran, Cuba, Syria, the Sudan and North Korea and that some of its encryption components were sold without the appropriate export authorization
A review of Ubiquiti's sales to Iran by the Department of Commerce's Office of Export Enforcement earlier this year resulted in a warning letter, but no criminal or administrative prosecution or other penalties -- b
asciilifeform: owed them to continue for another year, until February 2011, OFAC said. The company said, in a filing released Thursday, that until early 2010 it didnt prohibit its distributors from selling its products to Iran. After it learned of the potential violations, the company said that it failed to immediately amend all its distribution agreements and to implement more robust compliance controls.'
asciilifeform: 'Ubiquiti demonstrated reckless disregard for U.S. sanction law, and allowed its wireless equipment to be exported into Iran through distributors located in the United Arab Emirates and Greece, according to a release from the U.S. Office of Foreign Assets Control. The firm had no compliance program at the time, according to the release. And even after Ubiquiti learned that the transactions broke U.S. law, the company all
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: while on the subject of trilema mechanics - what's 'dupa trompi' ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ... as if a reverse engineer needs any further "branding" or advertising past the ability to do hisd work << it is entirely possible to be under- or even un-employed, or mal-employed (substitute appropriate term..?) in any profession, and yes, even that one
ascii_field: judge: 'I want Mr. Ceglia -- sir, you need to understand something about me. I have no compunction about taking people's parents' homes away and heaving them homeless on the street -- none whatsoever.'
ascii_field: perhaps it is best to be thought a complete idiot, in this specific scenario.
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: doesn't hold against competent victim
ascii_field always assumed these have tamper traps like the neck-bombs from the film 'deadlock'
ascii_field: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/03/is-it-legal-for-us-military-to-scan-the-publics-computers-for-kid-porn << unrelated lulz
ascii_field: their business model is unabashedly populistic-chumpatronic
ascii_field: when i did a tour of duty as a perversely purposeless employee of university, the cellar below my office, one flight of steps down, was a dns root serv. peculiarly well-guarded and fortified for something so low-traffic (root dns servs get used hardly ever)
ascii_field: "libc", from which come incompatible calls to "libnss" functions."'
ascii_field: http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/dropbear/2011q4/001207.html << 'dropbear not compiling statically' << just about every major security-themed lib affected, it appears
ascii_field: ^ examples from folks noticing The Boojum and grasping at air while trying to understand why they are being lied to
asciilifeform: decimation: importantly - in a way calculated to 'steal the sense of having been stolen from'
ascii_modem: but it is important to remember -why-
ascii_modem: fits-in-head is the only answer. though it goes well with a balanced diet of public impalements for wreckerz
ascii_modem: it exists. beloved classic compiler used by almost all msdos games outfits in '90s
asciilifeform: and is anyone else suffering some indigestion at least from the 12 or so detectable instances of jumps-depending-on-uninitialized-values in -the wallet handling code- ?
asciilifeform: (example: what is the cost of inhabiting a free-standing building with mains current, temperature control, and good fiber net? free-standing at least to the extent that you can't hear screaming children, smell neighbours' shit, etc)
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: almost invariably i find that something important is -not- cheap in such places where the food is cheap... but more power to you if you discover exception
asciilifeform: whaack: nyc is in the broad class of chumpatrons where the workers let virtually their entire post-tax pay go to the real-estate hucksters
asciilifeform: but yes, compiler is infrastructure. and the bridges - are falling, falling down.
asciilifeform: honest - yes. but in a kind of self-imposed exile from worldly things.
asciilifeform: 'simple' ocr ?!!!
asciilifeform: <decimation> i486 has a fairly simple instruction set, <<< ahahahhahahahahaha.
asciilifeform: (there is no simple way to test these on pc, because linux has idiotically unsegregated memory stats and hard to say precisely how much is eaten -by bitcoind- vs disk cache)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i typically compose in emacs but do not use it as a 'client'
asciilifeform: joy helping people who have nothing, I create jobs.. I do better then [sic] [O]bama creating jobs my employees are all happy now."'
asciilifeform: 'At the time, Clock argued that he was simply a sort of benevolent overlord. "I decided to help other people and give them this opportunity, I see myself as a do gooder, I know many might argue with that, but when you get people coming to you saying they used to have NOTHING and were begging on a street corner looking for $30 and now he's a boss, sure makes me feel good," he added. "I actually feel more of a [R]obinhood and en
asciilifeform: it doesn't compile -statically-
asciilifeform: it still gets used when irc-connecting and when attempting to determine external ip from behind nat
asciilifeform: ==00:00:00:12.322 18417== Conditional jump or move depends on uninitialised value(s)
asciilifeform: and this is a commonplace ibmpclike thing with ata cdrom, etc. ?
asciilifeform: though this was the second attempt to boot an -installed- linux.
asciilifeform: i very rarely install gentoo from cd, must say. normally i install using a normal computer with the 'patient' disk plugged in
asciilifeform: alternatively compile the cmdline into kernel per se
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2015/04/nsa-gchq-jtrig-intercept-15-0402.pdf << mega-l0l. nsa/gchq spam campaigns to drum up support for british colonial falklands vs. argentina claim.
asciilifeform: ( http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1700764-velentzas-and-siddiqui-complaint.html#document/p2 )
asciilifeform: that -or- gcc simply doesn't get there
asciilifeform: sorta like u.s. credit card chumps
asciilifeform: 'Lets use IBM as an example. As all business observers know, CEOs Lou Gerstner and Sam Palmisano did a superb job in moving IBM from near-bankruptcy twenty years ago to its prominence today. Their operational accomplishments were truly extraordinary.' (buffett '11)
asciilifeform: close. exists because y dropped out of grad school to play original 'dotcom' chumpamatic
asciilifeform: must add also that the possibility of emulating a reasonably unix-capable computer is relatively recent. in university 'operating systems' courses in '99 folks were still rebooting actual pc, with floppy, 500 times a day. in 2006 - qemu.
asciilifeform: and 3) static builds never really worked for items of any complexity
asciilifeform: but none of it changes the fundamentally bowel-loosening fact of discovering that 1) extant linuxen are incompatible in eldritch ways 2) that impact bitcoind build
asciilifeform: emulator can be of anything you like, whether the computer from 'apollo' space probe, or one that i made up for the occasion.
asciilifeform: i mean, with my existing compilers.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i do this in life. if you have a reasonably-fast computer, it is tolerable.
asciilifeform: i suppose one can patent a chumpatron.
asciilifeform: let's say i said 'i think dijkstra was doing it right.' that would imply that i am in favour of structured programming, against the use of 'goto', and in favour of 99.999% of programming students being flunked and similar fraction of the practitioners of that profession - being fired.
asciilifeform: instead of residing in extermination camps.
asciilifeform: <nubbins`> simply doing this manually and re-running auto.sh brings me back to... uint32_t ... << aaaaand this is where my patch in turn b0rks the thing. 'the doctor cured the patient's ear, but did poke out an eye, i fear'
asciilifeform: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.4/../../../../x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.4/../../../../lib64/libpthread.a(pthread_cond_wait.o): relocation R_X86_64_32 against `__gcc_personality_v0' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
asciilifeform: once you dump dns seeder, you gotta have some live nodes (!!!) in the seed list
asciilifeform: fortunately we don't have to fill this swamp today
asciilifeform: jurov: appreciate that what we are attempting with static build is like digging out one of those lugers ru kids routinely find in the ground and trying to fire it
asciilifeform: just as you could have north america ruled by a sane ottoman empire.
asciilifeform: this is a fine point but not unimportant zoologically
asciilifeform: (some prisoner in usa got a temporary stay of execution on this argument.)
asciilifeform: ther for treason against Friend Computer, since none of them are allowed to touch the paint, go near the hallway, or talk about their mission, and they're all charged with enforcing the rules on one another.'
asciilifeform: yone who breaks the rules is a Commie Mutant Traitor, subject to the death penalty. Much of the game revolves around the consequences of the security levels. For instance, Friend Computer might assign a team of Red Troubleshooters to re-paint a hallway that ought to be Orange but was painted Yellow by mistake the Commie Mutant Traitors. It's quite likely in such a case that the Troubleshooters will all end up shooting each o
asciilifeform: to jwz et al, google simply 'is' - like the sun.
asciilifeform: mats: selinux and similar are exemplary of usg approach to 'seek00r1ty' - add layers of 'granular' bureaucracy to the os
asciilifeform: mats: grsec >> but the sheer nonsensicalness of pretending that kernel can limit what kernel can do. consider this claim: 'Through PaX's UDEREF and KERNEXEC features, grsecurity forces any userland data access to go through an approved accessor and rejects any attempt to execute userland code in kernel context.'
asciilifeform: because your dump is quite the same as mine
asciilifeform: ^ example
asciilifeform: what's this to do with impregnatron, though
asciilifeform: (what the actual point is, is probably only comprehensible to u.s. pheminist types)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didn't you predict that someone would manufacture automatic impregnatrons ? i distinctly recall an essay concerning such
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu> but i never put any serious effort into electrical engineering! << said the chap with his own bitcoind running on soviet trinary comp
asciilifeform: the third choice, included for completeness, is that we do none of this
asciilifeform: but is a more complex beast
asciilifeform: and mips is a very simple and well-defined cpu arch.
asciilifeform: it has simplified hardware, not copied from any physical machine sold. quite like many similar emulators used in schools
asciilifeform: if the cross-compile is failing because it's a cross-compile << cross-compile is the gold standard for correctness
asciilifeform: mod6: cross compile
asciilifeform: but we're cross-compiling anyway
asciilifeform: there -are- even simpler emulators
asciilifeform: it is a simple enough beast
asciilifeform: given that i do not especially feel like publishing the entire contents of my disk, nor could you replicate my machine easily (most of the components are no longer produced) - the next best thing is to somehow create an equivalent
asciilifeform: general rule is that i should be able to at least obtain the build target using -the compilers i presently have- and a set of sourceballs.
asciilifeform: objdump -t src/obj/nogui/*.o | grep getaddrinfo
asciilifeform: What You Need to Know About the Unsealed Silk Road Docket << i do so hate these 'what you need to know' titles. implication is that no serious person would need to know anything else
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> in that "proof of idempotence" has generally been orders of magnitude more successful at proving the proving party has no idea what proving means << didn't say it would be easy. or that the existing 'state of the art' is any kind of guide.
asciilifeform: 'Dan Boneh is professor of Computer Science and Electrical Engineering at Stanford University, and leads the applied cryptography group there. He has written extensively on cryptography and computer security, publishing more than 150 refereed conference and peer-reviewed journal papers. Boneh served as an editor of ACM Transactions on Internet Technology (TOIT), Journal of the ACM (JACM), and Journal of Cryptology. He has serv
asciilifeform: contrary to popular image of rms, he was - at the time - the very example of a 'straight lace square'
asciilifeform: but what -could- they have been doing, that was equally entertaining as setting rabid chimps free ?
asciilifeform: complicated.
asciilifeform: decimation: this was not only for computer.
asciilifeform: the attempted ssl was the one included with auto.sh (release)
asciilifeform: decimation: you can see the trimpots
asciilifeform: so 'tempest' is mistake in terminology here
asciilifeform: http://www.cryptomuseum.com/crypto/fialka/psu/tempest.htm#circuit << tries to prevent differential power analysis
asciilifeform: 'Although it may seem unnecessary, the data socket (marked МАШИНА II) must be connected, as otherwise the machine will not work. This is done to ensure the use of the TEMPEST feature (see below). ' << seems to imply that it was a straight pass-through
asciilifeform: i can see this being given to unreliable warsaw pact nations to -amplify- their tempest emanations
asciilifeform: funny how they gave a damn re: tempest on a fucking ROTOR CRYPTO MACHINE