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mircea_popescu: hey mthreat is the search borkt ?
mircea_popescu: <
assbot: The failure modes of "democracy", from people who actually know what they're talking about. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm not entirely sure this is to go on the head of Andreas Jaeger.
mircea_popescu: more interestingly, any idea who {UD} is ?
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mircea_popescu: anyway asciilifeform no you're not the first to notice. you're the first to notice who is actually connected and thus powerful.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> deliberate. <<< that part was clear.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> in other words, it only applies to code that the user himself has compiled << in other words, it is by its very definition dekulakization. run the fucking code usg & dept of friend computer say you run, terrorist!
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> -somebody- saw it fit to break static linking on gnu platform in the traditional microshit way - suddenly, silently, and 'for your own good' (TM) << and the fact that silently worked tells mike_c why qntra market cap would reasonably exceed the sum of the market cap of all computing publications available.
mircea_popescu: not even kidding.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell decimation once we settle in uclibc, uclibc gets killed.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: much easier than to try and you know, buy all pogos, as alf was discussing.
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assbot: New US Navy Fleet Goal: 308 Ships ... ( )
assbot: ... ( )
mats: ^Parameters of the nuclear deal with Iran
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assbot: China Unveils Three New Nuclear-Powered Attack Submarines | Defense Tech ... ( )
mircea_popescu: mats anything above and beyond the "they succeeded making their own nuke, further sanctions superfluous" ?
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mircea_popescu: 300ish ships somehow sounds unimpressive. like a minor chinese port.
mats: “What they are doing with patrols is just the tip of the iceberg. It is not just the number of the ships, but within five to eight years they will have about 82 submarines in the Asia Pacific area and we will have about 32 to 34"
mircea_popescu: "all of which will be running on chinese made ic anyway"
mats: mircea_popescu: no, just the usual implicit 'fear the chinese' byline
mircea_popescu: yeah well... it seems reasonably obvious that the usg's very uppity policy is insanity on the mid term. they need us a lot more than we could ever need them. obviously a bit of humility today will save a lot of abject humiliation in 2025, but in any case
mircea_popescu: ascii's wagen is not all that probable.
mircea_popescu: in other news,
assbot: ... ( )
assbot: John Oliver Grills Edward Snowden on ‘Last Week Tonight’ - The Daily Beast ... ( )
mats: only the first third is worth reading
assbot: Buttercoin Set To Close | ... ( )
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mircea_popescu: there wa sa buttercoin ?!
mircea_popescu: mats oh, that oliver muppet.
mircea_popescu: no idea why anyone'd entertain mildred gillars posing as a "comedian", but hey.
mircea_popescu: in any case : that particular leak, and the much less publicised but much ampler leaks since, are not important because "people on the street"
mircea_popescu: you can by and large identify disinfo by this very idiotic "person on street" bent.
mircea_popescu: the ordinary streetwalker couldn't explain how a car engine works, either. that doesn't make car engines unimportant.
mircea_popescu: if this were how the world worked everyone'd be john oliver.
mircea_popescu: but the pretense that his thinly veiled propaganda is "real journalism" is indicative of the state of the usg propaganda machine, be it daily beast or wapo.
mircea_popescu: ie, they really abandoned any attempt to communicate at all, and satisfy themselves with browbeat. supposedly this works on the stupidest of the working class.
mircea_popescu: i have my doubts.
BingoBoingo: <cazalla> << Between this and BitPay's struggles seems US money is going all in on CoinBase
assbot: Buttercoin Set To Close | ... ( )
mats: but hes so edgy /s
mircea_popescu: so are most cuckolds.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo buttercoin now lay dead is broken somehow
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Applied a patch, cazalla's one this though.
mircea_popescu: ah sorry.
BingoBoingo: It's alright. I was only just working on a sandwich of ham... because no jew to be seen behind this IRC nick.
mircea_popescu: lol
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assbot: Naja ... ( )
mircea_popescu: !gettrust marteen
assbot: Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user marteen: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | |
cazalla: <mircea_popescu> there wa sa buttercoin ?! <<< been around a while actually but done the pivot thing a few times or something
mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu: well luckily ver invested the money he doesn't have into a new way to butter the coin!
fluffypony: right at the beginning
fluffypony: when Buttercoin was proposed
fluffypony: I commented on the Hackpad where we were shooting ideas around
fluffypony: (afair it was for a decentralised exchange)
mircea_popescu: aha ?
mircea_popescu: wait, you were involved in this ?
fluffypony: no, not beyond commenting on the hackpad
fluffypony: after that they seemed to veer off and create a "buttercoin team" and "productise" it
fluffypony: instead of building it out as an open-source effort
fluffypony: so I lost interest
fluffypony: heh there we go
assbot: Managing client-side connections - ... ( )
fluffypony: that was mine
mircea_popescu: which hackpad thing reminds me : re the earlier hacker news piece - i find it hysterical the agitprop is seriously pushing the "and they got on skype" angle.
mircea_popescu: here's a clue : no decision of any import was ever taken on skype.
mircea_popescu: the people who take decisions aren't on skype. the people who are on skype don't take decisions.
mircea_popescu: "We're having trouble talking to the Hackpad synchronization server. You may be connecting through an incompatible firewall or proxy server.
mircea_popescu: We were unable to connect to the Hackpad synchronization server. This may be due to an incompatibility with your web browser or internet connection."
mircea_popescu: yeah totally. i have incompatible internet. incompatible TO STUPID
cazalla: i was on skype no less than 1 hour ago lol :\
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: fluffypony kinda funny how the "decentralised exchange" is the webwallet of 2015.
fluffypony: lol
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cazalla: ooh looks like this australian didn't wanna play ball any longer
assbot: Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian ... ( )
cazalla: "Cobb allegedly uploaded images of child pornography to the social networking site, Tumblr."
mircea_popescu: i imagine tumblr has a metric shitton of child porn
assbot: ldd arbitrary code execution - good coders code, great reuse ... ( )
mircea_popescu: "In this article I am going to show you how to create an executable that runs arbitrary code if it's examined by `ldd`. I have also written a social engineering scenario on how you can get your sysadmin to unknowingly hand you his privileges."
mircea_popescu: this is pretty dangerous.
mircea_popescu: and im sure a major part of whatever SALADWORD
punkman: "1985 called, they want their exploit back."
mircea_popescu: heh
punkman: so, don't ldd as root n' stuff, in case you didn't know
mircea_popescu: of course, in the converse view, a sysadmin that actually fucks with your binary on a valuable box...
mircea_popescu: app/bin# ldd ./myapp
mircea_popescu: <strong>All your box are belong to me.</strong>
mircea_popescu: ^ i thought that was precious
mircea_popescu: i had to do a dbl take see if he actually put html cruft in his poc.
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danielpbarron: height=315012 vs height=221024
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Pierre_Rochard: < and blockstream & 21
assbot: Logged on 06-04-2015 07:20:16; BingoBoingo: <cazalla> << Between this and BitPay's struggles seems US money is going all in on CoinBase
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nubbins`: so i'm still not able to reproduce the portartronic pogotronic static build
nubbins`: totally have the static binary here, just... can't replicate the build.
nubbins`: and my patience has limits so this is on the back burner for the next week or so, at least.
ben_vulpes: gj in any event nubbins`
nubbins`: ty
nubbins`: fwiw it's just a matter of ripping out the chunks of boost that don't belong
nubbins`: easier said than done
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asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: and especially
assbot: OpenVPN / Mailing Lists ... ( )
ascii_field: 'If you believe "static linking" to mean something else from what I
ascii_field: described above, please enlighten us all!'
ascii_field: ^ examples from folks noticing The Boojum and grasping at air while trying to understand why they are being lied to
ascii_field: essentially, 'this -is- the new static linking. forget about the old one'
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ascii_field: << original
ascii_field: << 'dropbear not compiling statically' << just about every major security-themed lib affected, it appears
assbot: ... ( )
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ascii_field: '"I suppose the idea is that everything will be in the downloaded file, so nothing depends on the local libraries on the target system. Unfortunately with Linux, and I think anything else using GLIBC, this still isn't quite true. There's this "libnss" (name service switch, some people seem to call it network security system) which provides functions for accessing various databases for authentication, network information,
ascii_field: and other things. It's supposed to make application programs independent of the separately configured actual network environment of the machine. A nice idea, but changes to GLIBC can lead to problems loading it. And you can't statically link "libnss", since it is configured for each machine individually. The problem comes, I think, mainly from statically linking other GLIBC libraries, notably "libpthread", "libm", and
ascii_field: "libc", from which come incompatible calls to "libnss" functions."'
mircea_popescu: so acthung panzers as the expression goes :
mircea_popescu: in the wake of my "who shat the libnss" investigation tptb have agreed something must be done about this.
mircea_popescu: what's now needed is an expert computer engineer willing and able to take over maintenance of libnss, starting with fixing it so it allows proper static linking.
mircea_popescu: you will be helped by the glibc team but're.doing.
ascii_field: why not shoot it in the head and maintain uclibc's ?
mircea_popescu: i am an open man running an open empire.
mircea_popescu: people get to do w/e the shit it is they want to do.
mircea_popescu: anyway, if one's interested feel free to contact me and i'll either say gtfo or tell you what you have to do. if you'd rather avoid the record of the gtfo feel free to discuss privately.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i began reading the glibc source last night
ascii_field: must say that 'fix' is not the appropriate word
ascii_field: by any stretch of imagination
mircea_popescu: you being one of the perhaps five people that did it this year,
mircea_popescu: and i know the other four.
ascii_field: can you 'fix' a roadkill baking in the sun ?
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mircea_popescu: but, regardless. every journey begins with a frenzied fuck and a sad kiss goodbye.
mircea_popescu: or w/e that expression was.
ascii_field: dns is pure gold as a pwnhole vector, incidentally
mircea_popescu: it seems *DESIGNED* for this purpose
mircea_popescu: at least from what i've pieced together from what people have been reciting to me as bedstories since my involvement in bitcoin
ascii_field: (solidly usg-controlled and no one other than us appears to smell the stink of the beast!)
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mircea_popescu: yes. "and what happens if letter server sends you crafted package ?" "huh ?!"
mircea_popescu: "no that doesn't happen" "right" "you don't understand how the world works!"
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: anyway, it was good enough for the webpage + guestbook era, which is back when it shone. everything goes away eventually, and the duct tape and chewed gum contraptions holding togethere the everyman's arpanet especially so.
ascii_field: when i did a tour of duty as a perversely purposeless employee of university, the cellar below my office, one flight of steps down, was a dns root serv. peculiarly well-guarded and fortified for something so low-traffic (root dns servs get used hardly ever)
mircea_popescu: myeah.
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ascii_field: it was the one part of the grounds where one could not wander at will
ascii_field: multiple doors, each opened with fancy electric keys, etc.
mircea_popescu: << "domainers". because you know, thewhet exists.
assbot: dpaste: 0RQRMWD ... ( )
ascii_field: ^ i get these regularly
mircea_popescu: this is a business now. derps actually hope to make money out of this. someone might care about domain names still, because they did pre 2001, because dotcom people were idiots
mircea_popescu: i hope they're sending google proposals for muggle
ascii_field: these schmucks bought up hundreds of thousands of 'valuable' domains. naturally they will try to monetize before fellating their pistols
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mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: the part i like best is the scamconferences they organise where they go to spend a coupla days in alt.universe where HUGE DEALS happen and stupidity is "an industry"
trinque: godaddy is now valued at what, 4 billion "dollars"?
mircea_popescu: their yearly total gross attained 1% of yearly expenditure in no year since 2001.
mircea_popescu: trinque godaddy makes money.
mircea_popescu: unlike pretty much anyone, including google and facebook/ godaddy is like apple.
trinque: huge revenue, pretty slim profit; I'm looking it up
trinque: dunno how you burn that much cash selling an imaginary product
trinque: this I guess is how usg creates jobs
trinque: :p
mircea_popescu: was discussed here. that ho being their "image" what's her name ?
ascii_field: trinque: easy. they're the only registrar with tv ads
mircea_popescu: right. the bitpay "method", except they're doing out of their own money.
ascii_field: their business model is unabashedly populistic-chumpatronic
mircea_popescu: trying to be fucking aol over here, huge corp with by far shittiest product.
mircea_popescu: luckily, the 80s are long gone, and this strat simply does not work.
mircea_popescu: kinda not bodes well for government, either, this state of affairs.
trinque: ascii_field: yep, you too can have your very own 'website'!
ascii_field: works great. sell joe the alcoholic bomzh '' for ten bux
trinque: post-dot-com business in a box
mircea_popescu: ascii_field except the last perso who bought was later indicted for terrorist bombmaking.
mircea_popescu: and that was three years ago.
mircea_popescu: kinda hard to call this "works"
trinque has trouble seeing the value in something that continues to lose money, but then, he's a simpleton
mircea_popescu: you gotta watch more don rickles.
ascii_field: << anybody have experience with it ?
assbot: diet libc - a libc optimized for small size ... ( )
mircea_popescu: "i make a loss on every sale but hope to make it up on volume"
trinque: lol
mircea_popescu: ascii_field it's the other thing people use other than uclibc
ascii_field: aha
mircea_popescu: seems iffier.
ascii_field: but unlike uclibc, i have never used it.
ascii_field: uclibc - works.
mircea_popescu: it's more of a hipster crowd thing
mircea_popescu: better corners etc.
ascii_field: if weighs less - worth at least considering only on that merit alone
ascii_field: (but so far does not appear to be the case)
mircea_popescu: less than glibc. weighs about the same as uc
ascii_field: aha
mircea_popescu: give or take, but i'm not really crazy about the difference between 5% and 3% either way
mircea_popescu: as long as you shaved off the 95%, you've shaved.
mircea_popescu: ymmv.
ascii_field: was speaking of brain mass, rather than bytewise.
mircea_popescu: there's a correlation.
ascii_field: aha. but must remind readers that they are not one and the same.
ascii_field: (for pathologically degenerate case, see my fpga tale from conf-II)
mircea_popescu: lol
nubbins`: " The problem comes, I think, mainly from statically linking other GLIBC libraries, notably "libpthread"" <<< we're using that one
Pierre_Rochard: << last time SPVs came up, it was subprime real estate
assbot: In Silicon Valley Frenzy, VCs Create New Inside Track - WSJ ... ( )
mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard it was, wans't it...
mircea_popescu: im kinda surprised "spvs" didn't get banned last time tbh.
mircea_popescu: "Pinterest board observer raised $200 million in three days to buy more shares—with startup’s blessing" << almost exactly different from how a ponzi is run,
mircea_popescu: for some values of "different".
Pierre_Rochard: my favorite was “Data analytics provider Palantir Technologies Inc., which was valued at $15 billion last September, turned to an SPV arranged by Founders Fund, a San Francisco firm headed by billionaire investors Peter Thiel, according to people familiar with the deal.”
mircea_popescu: aaanyways. it's a safe enough model for as long as inflation holds, because it's based on nominal figures. known as the hyperinflation debenture frenzy.
Pierre_Rochard: Peter Thiel is a co-founder of Palantir, convenient for him to arrange a deal!
Pierre_Rochard: yup
ascii_field: ^ for anyone who was living in a sealed bunker for the past few yrs, 'palantir' is one of the direct subcontractors to nsa panopticon wares
ascii_field: and actually thiel's main thing
mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard oh, 21 closes ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field myeah.
ascii_field: it is also perhaps the most comically named of them all
ascii_field: 'we serve the ultimate evil' loudly bragging, right in the name.
Pierre_Rochard: mircea_popescu: almost a month ago: (haven’t heard from them since)
assbot: Big Names Put Cash In Bitcoin Startup 21 Inc. - WSJ ... ( )
ascii_field: sorta like the skull on the ss uniform, but more so.
mircea_popescu: dude for all the pretense they put forth ... they've been gone for a month and i've not yet run into a mourning woman ?
mircea_popescu: wtf is this world where such great things can go out and not even a billion people show for the burial.
mircea_popescu: i was expecting better, world.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field hybris is its own sort of dementia.
ascii_field: << obligatory classic
assbot: ... ( )
mircea_popescu: generally, illness in humans is manifested as a contraction of the "presence bubble". you may sit in your bed thinking of things as far away as a continent, but the man in pain sees nothing past his nose. and the man in love, past HER nose.
mircea_popescu: mental disease is no different, diseased states are always narrower than sanity.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: except that diseased state happily contracts the megalomania out to a hundred various 'mengeles' each of whom focuses on the insides of a particular variety of designated untermensch
ascii_field: and happily slices, slices
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mircea_popescu: sure.
mircea_popescu: it also doesn't work, necessarily. if it did, we wouldn't actually need bitcoin to solve the specific problems it solves.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field : better linkage.
ascii_field: aha it
mircea_popescu: in which we find out that openssh does not wish to bestatic linked, and this by design.
ascii_field: ^ what i was trying to get across, yes
mircea_popescu: this, of course, was pre HB. now they might be more amenable. lol.
mircea_popescu: !up chmod755
ascii_field: aha lol, doubt it
ascii_field: if anything, the muppets are emboldened by the gotterdammerung which did not come
mircea_popescu: quite.
mircea_popescu: of course, the original was a fucking cycle of operas.
mircea_popescu: takes a while to get to the valkyries.
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asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: << the vuln is a few weeks old but this is lulzy
assbot: Dell support software gets flagged by antivirus program | Ars Technica ... ( )
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nubbins`: "Guess we all know why theymos has been hanging out in the transvestite hangouts now. He's embezeld the forum donations to turn Bad Bears P into a V so he could be his B and he gave him admin privalges so you could come here to take out his frustrations after he rams it up his ass until he bleeds. "
nubbins`: HEH
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18596 @ 0.00027326 = 5.0815 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00028077 = 2.0215 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: << unrelated lulz
assbot: Is it legal for US military to scan the public’s computers for kid porn? | Ars Technica ... ( )
ascii_field: << related
assbot: Man beats child porn rap by proving unintentional downloading | Ars Technica ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00028388 = 5.2518 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00028077 = 1.3196 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: mega-l0l >>
assbot: Facebook fugitive attached GPS monitor to a “motorized contraption” | Ars Technica ... ( )
ascii_field: '...sliced off his GPS ankle monitor and affixed it to a crudely built contraption in his rural New York residence "in order to give the appearance that he was still present and moving within his home."'
ascii_field always assumed these have tamper traps like the neck-bombs from the film 'deadlock'
ascii_field: -- but evidently not ?
BingoBoingo: Maybe the assumption of a tamper trap is normally enough?
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: doesn't hold against competent victim
ascii_field: perhaps it is best to be thought a complete idiot, in this specific scenario.
BingoBoingo: Right, but if the designer of the trap isn't competent...
ascii_field: judge: 'I want Mr. Ceglia -- sir, you need to understand something about me. I have no compunction about taking people's parents' homes away and heaving them homeless on the street -- none whatsoever.'
ascii_field: 'THE COURT: As I said I am perfectly happy to bankrupt them. I am perfectly happy to take their real estate and to sell it, if that is what they choose. '
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5750 @ 0.00028077 = 1.6144 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00028674 = 6.509 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41300 @ 0.00028674 = 11.8424 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35100 @ 0.00028458 = 9.9888 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
mats: .engineer domains can nao be rented for the low low cost of just $50,000
ascii_field: i want '.lame'
mats: can be had for $48,000
mats: watta 'premium domain'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19458 @ 0.00028688 = 5.5821 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: ... ( )
mats: i chortled
lobbes: << Why ridiculous? Wealth is good, no? Or are you saying that amassing large amounts of currency is pointless in a 'post-industrial' world.
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 21:17:32; mircea_popescu: might as well make your strategy "to get really really fat"
lobbes: Or is it simply: "Don't make yourself a target for usg" ?
lobbes: !up ascii_field
lobbes: Surely wealth alone is not enough, but it does allow some 'power' does it not? Either way, I'm just some schmuck aspiring to wealth. Not sure how much I'm qualified to speak on such things.
lobbes: Anyway, I got some reading to catch up on. As you were, logs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00028942 = 6.6856 BTC [+]
mod6: is there one specific site that you pay the .ar reciprocity fee?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30754 @ 0.00028089 = 8.6385 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71421 @ 0.00027001 = 19.2844 BTC [-] {4}
mod6: if it's this site:
assbot: Provincia NET :: Reprocity Fee ... ( )
mod6: do i need to make a login id?
mod6: guess i must
mats: << 'malloc des-maleficarum', a classic
assbot: .:: Phrack Magazine ::. ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35900 @ 0.0002835 = 10.1777 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: << nothing the usg uses actually works.
assbot: Logged on 06-04-2015 21:16:42; ascii_field: -- but evidently not ?
mircea_popescu: it just sort-of works provided a) lemmings and b) some very basic nonsensical assumptions.
mircea_popescu: but yes, ductape it on one of those robo vacuum cleanners... "nobody could have foreseen"
assbot: Understanding glibc malloc | sploitF-U-N ... ( )
mircea_popescu: << as if a reverse engineer needs any further "branding" or advertising past the ability to do hisd work.
assbot: Logged on 06-04-2015 22:30:17; mats: can be had for $48,000
mircea_popescu: i don't think there was ever someone unemployed in that field, ever.
mircea_popescu: even fucking air traffic controllers have slumps, once or twice a century one's unemployed. maybe two if it's real bad.
mircea_popescu: << "focusing on yourself" and "getting real, real rich" is no different from seal focusing on itself and getting real, real fat.
assbot: Logged on 06-04-2015 23:00:36; lobbes: << Why ridiculous? Wealth is good, no? Or are you saying that amassing large amounts of currency is pointless in a 'post-industrial' world.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27500 @ 0.00028488 = 7.8342 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: << nope. wealth by itself, especially if you imagine cash is "wealth" , does not allow any power whatsoever.
assbot: Logged on 06-04-2015 23:06:50; lobbes: Surely wealth alone is not enough, but it does allow some 'power' does it not? Either way, I'm just some schmuck aspiring to wealth. Not sure how much I'm qualified to speak on such things.
mircea_popescu: just like having a car doesn't alow having gasoline. it's true that often people who have cars also independently have gasoline, but the two are fundamentally unrelated, and there is such a thing as the fool's breakdown, ie, car's outta gas on the side of hte road.
mod6: ok all set on the reciprocity fee. sorry for the bother.
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
mod6: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00026971 / 0.00028926 / 0.00031364 (2111148 shares, 610.69 BTC), 7D: 0.00023767 / 0.00026111 / 0.00031364 (31724636 shares, 8,283.77 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00028358 / 0.00040484 (105161566 shares, 29,821.75 BTC)
BingoBoingo: << scoop still somewhere other than here
assbot: Tewksbury Police Pay Ransom | ... ( )
mircea_popescu: mod6 wd
mircea_popescu: peterl too
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell peterl yo, there ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: "There is no total figure available for the total cost inflicted by the multi agency investigation though $19,604 was paid to Delphi Technology Solutions, the firm which handled the ransom payment for Tewksbury. "
mircea_popescu: this pretty much explains how the thing work. "in order to pay 500 bux to terrorists we must first pay 20k to our own people!"
funkenstein_: cyberlocker not only helped their security but also boosted GDP
Vexual: 20k guys must have had negotiation privilege
mircea_popescu: i suppose as the dea goes bankrupt the ex-dea agents move on to helping local police "fight terrorism" at the rate of 20k for every .5k paid out
mircea_popescu: biznis is biznis.
funkenstein_: now that they've seen a real one they can start faking them
BingoBoingo: I wonder how many petty traffic, weed, and misdemeanor tickets would have been unprosecutable if they didn't pay the people to pay the turroristas
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: something they couldn't even legally do, which is why they had to bring in delphi for 20k.
mircea_popescu: more on point : i wonder how many people didn't have to pay their tickets because had intelligent lawyer who disputed chain of custody claims of police.
BingoBoingo: I wonder if the cheiftain did math on fines they's collect on vs. Delphi's bill
mircea_popescu: those documents are probatively worthless now anyway.
mircea_popescu: unless nobody contests it, of course.
BingoBoingo: It doesn't even really take an intelligent lawyer.
BingoBoingo: From the Dpt. of US Satellite States
assbot: ... ( )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ... as if a reverse engineer needs any further "branding" or advertising past the ability to do hisd work << it is entirely possible to be under- or even un-employed, or mal-employed (substitute appropriate term..?) in any profession, and yes, even that one
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ... wealth by itself, especially if you imagine cash is "wealth" , does not allow any power whatsoever << i am astonished that this needed to be elaborated. any 'wealth', lacking that other element, can be separated from the 'owner' and his earthly bones by the folks who have both
mircea_popescu: "i have an army, it's all castles, unmanned"
mircea_popescu: "srsly ? and where is this ?"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anything's possible. in this case tho, the discussion is whether it's possible without the subject's will.
asciilifeform: it is possible if subject is in sufficiently sticky glue trap
mircea_popescu: mebbe.
ben_vulpes: *sigh*
ben_vulpes: good afternoon, serenissimists
mircea_popescu: good afternoon, worst jew.
asciilifeform: actually the record for 'worst jew' is probably mine
asciilifeform about half jew depending on how counted, but doesn't know a thing about jewing
mircea_popescu: can you do the hand thing ?
asciilifeform: hand thing?
mircea_popescu: you know, the eeeee-eeeh thing
asciilifeform: doesn't ring a bell
BingoBoingo: << Incredilol
ben_vulpes: turns out the argentines want *translated* court documents demonstrating name change, *and* they want the translations *notarized* and they want the *notarized shit* bearing a apostille, which today i learned to be a thing.
ben_vulpes: this, i suppose, is what i get for being a us subject
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform >
assbot: seinfeld...."cause you got a Cadillac" - YouTube ... ( )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: mega-lulz. i must admit that i never tried to use ubiquiti's linux in earnest
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It just sounds so much like the Pogo linux situation
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: l0l. i think it might be a new york thing
mircea_popescu: that's what i said.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: like just about every 'gpl inside' thing ever.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes your passport in a different name ?!
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: yeah i uh changed my passport to my new name
mircea_popescu: dude. does the thing have a picture of you in it ?
ben_vulpes: yessir.
ben_vulpes: but the entry fee is registered to the *old* passport.
mircea_popescu: so get a new one.
ben_vulpes: a new "reciprocity fee" document?
asciilifeform recalls that getting a passport in usa takes a rather long time.
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: it's fiddy bux or w/e it is, self-serve online.
asciilifeform: 200-ish iirc
asciilifeform: but yes, on their www
asciilifeform: shits out a barcode to print
mircea_popescu: << i can't believe whoever wrote that seriously thinks linking to bolsters whatever point they may wish to make.
ben_vulpes: i know how to pay the reciprocity fee, jackholes
ben_vulpes: having.
ben_vulpes: already.
ben_vulpes: paid
ben_vulpes: it.
mircea_popescu: yes. well. visiting argentina will turn out to have been the largest expense of your namechange.
mircea_popescu: as absurd as that may sound.
ben_vulpes: i take some solace in the confusion it'll bring to my poor lizard obama agents.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> << i can't believe whoever wrote that seriously thinks linking to bolsters whatever point they may wish to make. << Oh, you caught the third layer lulz there.
assbot: Private Lawsuit Dismissed Because of State Secrets Privilege | ... ( )
mircea_popescu: "That's why I decided to make a "deblobbed" version of OpenBSD."
mircea_popescu: guy's nice and all, but...
mircea_popescu: safepay btc ads ? srsly ?
BingoBoingo: Thing seems to be mega crankbait impersonating legit crank
mircea_popescu: how many entries are there between index 46 and 59 ?
mod6: <+asciilifeform> shits out a barcode to print << yup. $160.00 USD for U.S. citizen
mircea_popescu: somehow 13 items became 14 wtf.
BingoBoingo: !up pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: heya everybody
ben_vulpes: hola pete
ben_vulpes: ;seen thestringpuller
ben_vulpes: ;;seen thestringpuller
gribble: thestringpuller was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 15 hours, 7 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <thestringpuller> ^- close the bet
BingoBoingo: ;;seen jurov
gribble: jurov was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 3 hours, 19 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <jurov> yes
BingoBoingo: ;;seen dooglus
gribble: dooglus was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 43 weeks, 2 days, 20 hours, 59 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <dooglus> and paragraphs
BingoBoingo: ;;seen Adlai
gribble: Adlai was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 6 hours, 32 minutes, and 1 second ago: <Adlai> ;;bc,stats
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes how goes the swamp battle to argentina ?
gribble: Current Blocks: 351040 | Current Difficulty: 4.944639068824144E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 352799 | Next Difficulty In: 1759 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 20 hours, 24 minutes, and 34 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 48149916522.9 | Estimated Percent Change: -2.62198
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu when reading older trilema articles, i notice the odd trackback to contravex, but not so much on the newer articles. are these getting stuck in your spam filter of late ?
mircea_popescu: it is possible.
mircea_popescu: do you get any sort of error message ?
pete_dushenski: nope.
pete_dushenski: come to think of it, the "bitcoinpete" links had a much higher success rate than contravex
pete_dushenski: as we know, wp sucks a donkey's cock, but it still seems odd that none are getting through these days
pete_dushenski: mebbe you don't want them, which'd be your call
pete_dushenski: but if it's just the filter then i thought i'd give you a heads up
mircea_popescu: lemme see here
mircea_popescu: << try that see what happens ?
assbot: How to fix your local trackbacks ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell funkenstein_ i'm assuming this is you ?
assbot: Altcoins: Why you need them | Free your Frass ... ( )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu that's what brings this up, but to be honest, your instructions are over my head!
pete_dushenski isn't smart enough to sling dope, it seems
mircea_popescu: like where ?
pete_dushenski: like at the most basic level
mircea_popescu: lmao get out
joecool: :(
pete_dushenski: joecool me!
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu what, i've never traversed a database before
pete_dushenski: i was all excited when i first read the article, then soon realised that i had miles to go
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: while on the subject of trilema mechanics - what's 'dupa trompi' ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform trompi is a very common name for a cute small toy elephant. romanians have names for everything - for instance azorel is what a cartoon dog should be called ideally.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: << as if made for you
assbot: xkcd: Operating Systems ... ( )
mircea_popescu: this was elevated to divinity, a sort of fsm, by the people making the robotzi cartoons
mircea_popescu: and i received their revelation in my heart and have converted to the cult of the most reverable trompi, the divine.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: << rain incantation.
assbot: Trompi da sa ploua - YouTube ... ( )
pete_dushenski: "Nobody can move into bitcoin, take it over, change the protocol or do whatever nefarious thing you can imagine, and force everybody to continue using it. Why not? Because altcoin." << um. might need to check those premises again, funkenstein_
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have a kind of image of just this animal in my head. but not earthling elephant, but the creature from '5th elephant' who i think of as 'desk elephant', or, alternatively, 'lisp elephant'
mircea_popescu: could be, yeah
mircea_popescu: nobody saw trompi afaik
mircea_popescu: (the incantation literally is, "Trompi squeeze your balls and make it rain")
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski it may be the filter, i dunno. kinda impossibru to debug from my side.
assbot: Choking on a Cherry - The Fifth Element (5/8) Movie CLIP (1997) HD - YouTube ... ( )
asciilifeform: ^ what the elephant is for
mircea_popescu: "This video is not available.
mircea_popescu: Sorry about that."
asciilifeform: wat
asciilifeform: plays here
mircea_popescu: mebbe i need a repricocity phee.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu aite, if it's not in your filter, it's not there. i guess we'll just have to blog platforms to the list of 'internet pillars to rebuild'
mircea_popescu: or just learn how to run basic scripts ? :D
pete_dushenski: mark my words, one day i will!
asciilifeform: !up Vexual
mircea_popescu: it's not like the entire cookbook isn't actually given there eh ? ready for copy paste.
mircea_popescu: how are you going to play eulora at this rate ? beg jews to binarize it for you ?
Vexual: that'll be $35
asciilifeform: 'Ubiquiti “demonstrated reckless disregard for U.S. sanction” law, and allowed its wireless equipment to be exported into Iran through distributors located in the United Arab Emirates and Greece, according to a release from the U.S. Office of Foreign Assets Control. The firm had no compliance program at the time, according to the release. And even after Ubiquiti learned that the transactions broke U.S. law, the company all
asciilifeform: owed them to continue for another year, until February 2011, OFAC said. The company said, in a filing released Thursday, that until early 2010 it didn’t prohibit its distributors from selling its products to Iran. After it learned of the potential violations, the company said that it failed to immediately ‘amend all its distribution agreements and to implement more robust compliance controls.’'
asciilifeform: ^ mega-l0l
asciilifeform: 'It said in its prospectus that certain of its products were sold to Iran, Cuba, Syria, the Sudan and North Korea and that some of its encryption components were sold without the appropriate export authorization… A review of Ubiquiti's sales to Iran by the Department of Commerce's Office of Export Enforcement earlier this year resulted in a warning letter, but no criminal or administrative prosecution or other penalties -- b
asciilifeform: ut Ubiquiti remains under review by the Department .... '
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu i dun really game, so...
asciilifeform: of course, now we have a helpful recipe for determining whether it's a don't-give-a-fuck-shop or a usg honeypot - sue, and see if state secrets privilege is invoked...
pete_dushenski: but yes, this boy has much to learn.
asciilifeform: and, '...anyone with physical access to the end of the Ethernet cable to your Ubiquiti airOS-based device... ...can obtain the plain text configuration while leaving behind no trace that they dumped your configuration ...'
asciilifeform: ;;later tell decimation ^ iirc you were using a naked 'edgerouter' somewhere. the time to stop was - july. the second best time - now
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: (what it was - they left tftp on. in precisely the way we won't in 'pogotron')
asciilifeform: ^ unless we're all killed & replaced with impersonators, l0l
mircea_popescu: what was nubbins` situation wit hthat btw
asciilifeform: in which case it will certainly ask for tftp every time on boot.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc he hammered in the command every time into the serial console
mircea_popescu: no i mean, he was cleaning boot iirc ?
asciilifeform: still saves time and wear on the nand vs flashing it in every time
asciilifeform: in a production machine, 'uboot' should skip straight to loading from nand
asciilifeform: 'do not pass go, do not collect 200'
mircea_popescu: myeah
mircea_popescu: so yesterday, i get im all like wtf.
assbot: O hai. I was justing doing a penetration test of your site. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
mircea_popescu: today ... "For some reason or another, I can't see all of this content, it keeps disappearing? Are you taking advantage of java?"
mircea_popescu: finally spam text that looked credible.
asciilifeform: i get idiocy like this all the time.
mircea_popescu: i dun think i saw this set b4.
asciilifeform: they used to follow a similar pattern, e.g., 'this post is a very astute commentary on the subject, i should like to read another like it, please carry on the good work' etc.
mircea_popescu: those i saw
mircea_popescu: i mean the specific "error are you x" thing.
mircea_popescu: spam masquerading error reports nao, the world simply can't exist w/o wots.
asciilifeform: i am quite certain of having seen something quite like this before. and i knew that ~x
asciilifeform: and so ignored.
asciilifeform: 'From my conversations with Ubiquiti, I have found that they claimed that it's alright to refuse to provide source code to GPL-licensed software if "This decision was taken with the security of the users in mind". Furthermore, my conversations were endlessly delayed by the supposed necessity to forward my query to another, unnamed, team.' << now we can probably say what.
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: usg contractor supplying boobytrapped goodies to the untermenschen
mircea_popescu: "brb gotta ask nsa"
asciilifeform: ;;later tell decimation before you ceremonially burn that thing, or put openbsd on it, etc. consider posting the u-boot partition to #b-a warez (talk to kakobrekla?)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: this strange idea that people would discuss things with script robots.
mircea_popescu: "if you conceivably have to forward my stuff to anyone, get off the line, i'm important."
asciilifeform: betcha the bots are happy to speak with one another.
asciilifeform: !s eliza parry
assbot: 4 results for 'eliza parry' :
asciilifeform: etc
assbot: When PARRY Met ELIZA: A Ridiculous Chatbot Conversation From 1972 — The Atlantic ... ( )
mircea_popescu: certainly. most of gdp in the "service economy" is exactly akin to running a bunch of elizas at each other.
mircea_popescu: "they raised awareness"
asciilifeform: PARRY: You should pay more attention.
asciilifeform: ELIZA: Suppose you should pay more attention.
asciilifeform: PARRY: You're entitled to your own opinion.
asciilifeform: ELIZA: What makes you think I am entitled to my own opinion?
Vexual: best one wins
mircea_popescu: why not link ?
assbot: RFC 439 - PARRY encounters the DOCTOR ... ( )
mircea_popescu: theatlantic spamsite adds exactly nothing, hinders plenty.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: neato, had no idea it lived there
asciilifeform: though i hesitate to let ietf be a canonical copy of anything at this point - even this...
decimation: asciilifeform: heh, I'm not sure if I'm running 'airos' on my edgerouter
asciilifeform: decimation: iirc they all use the same uboot, which was the item in question
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure. but it is the historical repository.
asciilifeform: yes.
decimation: asciilifeform: ah so does it only tftp on boot?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the ubiquiti example dovetails nicely with the thread re: unemployed reversers. if persians happily buy turdware, they either haven't many, or haven't any competent ones, or they are all occupied with something else (what ?)
asciilifeform: decimation: it is a very common setting in a uboot used for dev work
mircea_popescu: they haven't any.
Vexual: you know, when i saw it first, i thought it was meant to be glenn stevens
asciilifeform: decimation:
assbot: ... ( )
asciilifeform: ^ example
mircea_popescu: you think there exists anyone competent working in argentina, for instance ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not necessarily. but perhaps ar doesn't -need- any ?
decimation: asciilifeform: < interview with macrofab guys, with details of exactly what they use (Universal GSM2 pick n place)
assbot: #243 – An interview with Macrofab – Macro Manufacturing Mechanization | The Amp Hour Electronics Podcast ... ( )
asciilifeform: because the only industry is meat processing ?
mircea_popescu: yeah, right. do you know what the fat feminist said to the other fat feminist ?
mircea_popescu: "good thing we don't need men"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i thought the pattern was, 'don't need men, only their dough' ?
mircea_popescu: no, it's, "because if we did or if we didn't, we still don't get any"
Vexual: despite the botox, still very expressive
mircea_popescu: because, there's like eight of them, and none of them have time for our stupid shit.
mircea_popescu: such as you know, apostiles, or whatever. allah on a stick.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fact remains, they could get reversers. it's just another kind of craftsman, like heart surgeon. they would simply have to pay the fee
asciilifeform: with extra pay for jungle conditions
mircea_popescu: no, they could not.
mircea_popescu: just like ohio can't get dramatic artists.
mircea_popescu: just like tewkwhatever, mass can't get security experts.
pete_dushenski: << this, is a new one for me
assbot: BA flight forced to land early because of smelly poo - BBC Newsbeat ... ( )
pete_dushenski: "it's too smelly to fly"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is it because most folks need fallback employment if a job falls through? sure - but if a craftsman is needed badly, he will go on tour to antarctica. so long as the costs are covered.
pete_dushenski: um, how about you suck it up and keep going
asciilifeform: and why does a reverse engineer need to travel anyway
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform only if im inviting him.
mircea_popescu: not if the fucking polar bears are.
mircea_popescu: why would he care what polar bears say ?
asciilifeform: if polar bears had a bag of money ?
mircea_popescu: so what if they did.
mircea_popescu: hunter'd get it.
decimation: ^ why? because you don't want to ship your strange
ben_vulpes: chapter two in assquest:
ben_vulpes: "navigate the buildroot menuconfig"
asciilifeform: decimation: this, among other reasons, is why i live in a particular not altogether-pleasant place..
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform understand, nobody's denying men will go to the end of the earths. they will. but only with fredericus.
decimation: asciilifeform: ugh, the ubquiti os has hardly any tools
asciilifeform: decimation: pull the usb drive
asciilifeform: decimation: it has the whole orchestra, minus a very small and possibly interesting micro-bootloader that loads uboot - iirc - on it
decimation: but then I would need a mips64 build host
decimation: I guess I can qemu
asciilifeform: or hm, uboot is in the nor flash...
asciilifeform gets out the serial cable, indignant
decimation: yeah, I'm not sure where to probe
asciilifeform: motherfuckers.
ben_vulpes: perhaps i am behind the times, but is there a buildroot config that's been passed around?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: yes. and
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ben_vulpes: ty, asciilifeform!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: nubbins` was able to replicate result.
asciilifeform: and i think someone else ( danielpbarron ? )
asciilifeform: decimation: you want a 'cisco cable'
asciilifeform: decimation: it goes into the rj45 jack on the left.
decimation: yeah I think I have one somewhere
asciilifeform: decimation: 115200 baud, 8N1
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decimation: ah it's just debian, can use apt-get
asciilifeform: wai why ?
decimation: to install warez
asciilifeform: no you don't
asciilifeform: just pull the usb
asciilifeform: back it up (or replace with another) and put new os on that.
asciilifeform: access uboot from the serial console, or, if replacing with another uboot, do so from the new os
decimation: interesting here's the partition layout
decimation: Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
decimation: /dev/sda1 2048 292863 145408 c W95 FAT32 (LBA)
asciilifeform: (how old one behaves with regards to replacing uboot, i cannot say)
decimation: /dev/sda2 292864 3710975 1709056 83 Linux
asciilifeform: sda1 contains the kernel
asciilifeform: sda2 is root fs
decimation: yeah
decimation: and it starts at 2048, so that's probably the bootloader?
asciilifeform: why they did this - cannot say. possibly the responsible man last used linux in 1997
asciilifeform: uboot on this box lives, apparently, in nor flash
asciilifeform: sorta like pogo
decimation: yeah, boot partition just has kernel
asciilifeform: thing has jtag pins, iirc
asciilifeform: so can be 'unbricked' if new uboot is botched
asciilifeform: without soldering
decimation: that's what I was wondering
asciilifeform: a standard jtag probe of whatever kind you're partial to (i like 'bus blaster') and a copy of openocd is all you need
asciilifeform: 'As evidence, consider that in version 5.5.4 of the AirMax firmware, the kernel was modified such that the MTD partitions would be read only, however this change cannot be found in the corresponding kernel patches or source.'
decimation: ^I have 'edgemax'
asciilifeform: ^ lulzies! they very much don't want you replacing that uboot.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^
asciilifeform: one doesn't need an expert usgologist to say what happened here.
mircea_popescu: no i saw that.
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asciilifeform: what exquisite idiocy
asciilifeform: i bet reflash fails silently if done from edgeos
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo you have one somewhere iirc ? try this
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I have/had plans to acquire one
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: worth your while for the epic public rape of the morons
asciilifeform: to the extent they were not already raped in the 'liberty bsd' piece and in this here thread
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which is why the patches have to stay unpublished.
decimation: asciilifeform: they have weird stuff mounted for storing configs:
decimation: none on /opt/vyatta/config type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,nr_inodes=300000,mode=775)
asciilifeform: i think i can see why ubiquiti was picked for this particular role in the usg shitgnome muppet theatre
mircea_popescu: It was the first, and being first, was best, but now we lay it down to ever rest. Now pause with me a moment, shed some tears.
mircea_popescu: For auld lang syne, for love, for years and years of faithful service, duty done, I weep. Lay down thy packet, now, O friend, and sleep.
decimation: they seem kinda derpy software-wise
mircea_popescu: ^ i had no idea cerf was also a poet.
mircea_popescu: shit's pretty good.
asciilifeform: it sold routers that gave very reasonable performance for 1/20th the cost of cisco et al
asciilifeform: these became popular, presumably, with 'orcs' on a budget
asciilifeform: also note how there is none of this (or the other let's-sell-boobietrapped-goods-to-persians) 'shartups') in the snowden releases.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's not a bad point.
asciilifeform: 'There are actually two copies of the bootloader in the NOR flash: the first one is failsafe, and doing bootloaderupdate will replace the second image. Basically after the CPU comes out of reset, it boots the failsafe bootloader image (the first one) in the NOR flash. The failsafe finds and boots the actual bootloader image (the second one) in the NOR flash. This bootloader then loads the kernel from the USB drive and boots it
asciilifeform: .'
asciilifeform: ahahahahahahaha.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it -is- possible that he had some but none made it past the greenwalds
mircea_popescu: it is possible he never had any through no fault of his own.
asciilifeform: and the schneiers
asciilifeform: that - also possible
decimation: ^ascii, one wonders if you can replace the 'failsafe'
mircea_popescu: like if i behead you i might not get any pancreas tissue on the blade.
asciilifeform: aha exactly like
asciilifeform: would have to behead lengthwise
mircea_popescu: not necessarily proof that you weren't beheaded.
asciilifeform: correct.
asciilifeform: decimation: if it's in the nor, can be replaced, only question is how
decimation: asciilifeform: ah! /dev/mtdblock0
decimation: admin@ubnt:/dev$ cat /dev/mtdblock0 | hexdump -C | head
decimation: 00000000 10 00 01 3f 00 00 00 00 42 4f 4f 54 bf 6a 14 53 |...?....BOOT.j.S|
decimation: 00000010 00 c0 00 01 00 02 4e 22 00 06 70 20 67 0c 5e e5 |......N"..p g.^.|
decimation: 00000020 ff ff ff ff c0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 03 00 00 |................|
mircea_popescu: ha
decimation: 00000030 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
decimation: *
decimation: 00000200 10 00 02 08 24 1a 02 00 10 00 02 04 00 00 00 00 |....$...........|
decimation: 00000210 10 00 02 02 00 00 00 00 10 00 02 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
decimation: 00000220 10 00 01 fe 00 00 00 00 10 00 01 fc 00 00 00 00 |................|
decimation: 00000230 10 00 01 fa 00 00 00 00 10 00 01 f8 00 00 00 00 |................|
decimation: 00000240 10 00 01 f6 00 00 00 00 10 00 01 f4 00 00 00 00 |................|
mircea_popescu: he didn't paste the whole thing did he
decimation: heh no
decimation: asciilifeform: would you be interested in a dump of that?
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asciilifeform went & got some of the spiders out of his mircea_popescu's-conference-travel-trunk. now back
asciilifeform: decimation: yes.
decimation: there are apparently 3 'images'
decimation: mtd0,1,2
asciilifeform: drop it somewhere it won't be tampered with, & sign it (ok if you wanna gpg it to wot folks instead of publicly)
asciilifeform: though i can't fathom they'd have the gall to try censoring uboot as 'warez'
asciilifeform: it being gpl and all
decimation: it appears mtd0,1 are identical
asciilifeform: decimation: then this'd be it
decimation: I think you can download the 'open source' turds from ubquiti
asciilifeform: decimation: see earlier link re: this
decimation: mtd2 appears to be a configuation area, it starts with a hex string that equals my h/w serial number
asciilifeform: decimation:
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mircea_popescu: decimation so they have TWO hidden ones ?
mircea_popescu: that do what, test for identity ?
asciilifeform: decimation: probably licensing turd for their proprietary kmod
asciilifeform: that and for boobytrap
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu:
assbot: Logged on 07-04-2015 03:14:49; asciilifeform: 'There are actually two copies of the bootloader in the NOR flash: the first one is failsafe, and doing bootloaderupdate will replace the second image. Basically after the CPU comes out of reset, it boots the failsafe bootloader image (the first one) in the NOR flash. The failsafe finds and boots the actual bootloader image (the second one) in the NOR flash. This bootloader then loads the kernel from
mircea_popescu: i thought for a moment they had three copies.
asciilifeform: won't someone buy one of these things and hook up to jtag bugger driven with gdb, and post instruction stream ?
asciilifeform: i have one, yes. but not the time.
asciilifeform: i still don't get this:
asciilifeform: could the idiots not be bothered to ship -separate- turds to ir ?
asciilifeform: why did it have to be so obvious.
asciilifeform: is it a plot to waste -our- time ?
decimation: asciilifeform: do you think that jtag will show something that these mtd turds don't
asciilifeform: decimation: i bet there is obfuscation. so dynamic analysis might be appropriate
asciilifeform: but ideally, both.
decimation: possibly. it would probably require considerably detailed examination to watch the thing boot
mircea_popescu: i really dunno why we'd give a shit.
asciilifeform: first, look to see if copy-1 does anything -other- and load & jump to copy-2.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: because this could be just the necessary lethal stab to the 'nuclear iran' shillfest.
mircea_popescu: ...
mircea_popescu: aren't you a little late ?
mircea_popescu: iran is a nuclear power now. obama said so himself.
decimation: ^ to be clear, I have edgerouter, not 'airmax'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: su was also nuclear power, didn't keep the buggers from shipping diddled tech there by the gigatonne
decimation: no he said that they would have to wait awhile and fill out usg forms
mircea_popescu: decimation from what i've seen, the deal with iran is exactly like the deal with cuba and every other deal conquered US has entered into :
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the racket in question here is where usg plays hand-muppets and runs faux 'we're l337, we sell to 1r4n' at the same time as 'proletariat united against ir nukes' on the other muppet hand
mircea_popescu: they agree to everything the op demands, and pay for the paper memorializing it.
decimation: yeah but usg ensures that they have a press op where they say the opposite
asciilifeform: nothing punctures shitgnomes like a public, non-plausiblydeniable still-smoking 'nsakey' unhinted at in any 'leak'
mircea_popescu: i guess.
asciilifeform: incidentally, usg doctrine is that 'fresh' nuke powers don't really 'count' - much as usa did not count in 1947 because, elementarily, not enough of the specific industrial base to secure a steady supply of nukes
asciilifeform: they believe that it can be 'undone' as SAR was
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asciilifeform: in other news: cryptome is hosting a malicious pdf...
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