decimation: asciilifeform: as long as the chinese government is willing to subsidize production, why not?
decimation: what's free? people get tired of blackouts, buy own solar panels & batteries
mircea_popescu: and wtf, they are still derping with that angelou broad ? what, she's "a poet" ?
mircea_popescu: decimation china "subsidizes" it like sar subsidizes oil. to fuck the us.
decimation: aye, and the us thinks it is 'winning'
decimation: but because it gets added to the real estate bezzletron, it'll get funded
decimation: that part isn't clear - it depends where the house is located
decimation: in the sunny west, maybe, not so much in the dreary northeast
mats: anyone remember silicon valley plant going down because of ak47 fire?
decimation: batteries can still be terrible and work okay if they become cheap
mats: im surprised it hasn't happened again. short teh DJIA, start shooting up coolant rooms at various plants...
decimation: as the article notes, it's already economical to run 'off grid' solar+batteries in hawaii
decimation: but that's because hawaii is fucktarded
mats: practice run for the summer.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9613 @ 0.00028014 = 2.693 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> practice was in 2013. << Regional differences in the US electric grid are extreme
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21837 @ 0.00028143 = 6.1456 BTC [+] {2}
gribble: Current Blocks: 351209 | Current Difficulty: 4.944639068824144E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 352799 | Next Difficulty In: 1590 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 14 hours, 32 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 48776199716.2 | Estimated Percent Change: -1.35539
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00028295 = 9.6486 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11750 @ 0.00028552 = 3.3549 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11205 @ 0.00027965 = 3.1335 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: felipelalli: Thank you for the comments on qntra
felipelalli: BingoBoingo: so, let's implement that idea? The ransomware promises: deposit X bitcoin to account XYZ and we'll free your data. Then, do nothing! No more "good bad guys", no more hope. lol
BingoBoingo: felipelalli: Well the entire idea of ransomware is premised on people getting their data back if they pay.
felipelalli: only in this way they'll stop to funding criminals.
felipelalli: BingoBoingo: exactly. This will destroy this idea.
BingoBoingo: If people stop paying entirely or people stop returning data selectively the thing falls apart
BingoBoingo: As seriously as people build up the ransomware threat the entire ecosystem is awfully precarious. One could readily kill it with ransomware that did not honor a ransom
felipelalli: BingoBoingo: making a "really lier" ransomware would accelerate this process. hahaha
BingoBoingo: The risk associated with doing such a thing isn't likely worth it compared to other ventures in BTC which are far nobeler to hang for
felipelalli: yes. I was kidding anyway. But would be fun!
felipelalli: would be the terror of the scammers. A "fake scammer" but "really bad and lier" would make the long-term good, after all.
BingoBoingo: Really the best insulation in bitcoin is a sense of history
felipelalli: what do you mean with "insulation" in this context?
felipelalli: chap III 6. The Blackmailer. Nice chapter. You read crying.
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BingoBoingo: felipelalli: That healthy sense of skepticism that keeps pirateat40 from replaying over and over on the same scale
felipelalli: 4:20 AM here, good night BingoBoingo! Thanks for conversation.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00027794 = 1.8205 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 08-04-2015 02:11:53; TomServo: mircea_popescu: ever seen Sneakers?
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cazalla: mircea_popescu, good movie? might treck down to the video shop and hire it out
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37500 @ 0.00027136 = 10.176 BTC [+] {3}
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nubbins`: ^ from the realtor who sold the house 2 years ago ;0
nubbins`: the fact that the realtor still has videos of the inside of the home on youtube is a separate matter, but...
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nubbins`: wow, guy paid less than $30k for his house.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00026512 = 6.0978 BTC [-]
nubbins`: okay, and now i've got his name, his wife's name, and his company's name
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lobbes: <nubbins'> okay, and now i've got his name, his wife's name, and his company's name << once you chomp down on a scammer, you don't let go, do you? ;/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34804 @ 0.00027123 = 9.4399 BTC [+] {2}
mats: make a few c.o.d. purchase orders for office supplies
punkman: send him a piece of driftwood
nubbins`: lobbes guy threatened to do unspecified things to me, what else am i to do?
nubbins`: anyway i'm pretty sure the house is owned by his parents or in-laws
nubbins`: either that or the guy is in his mid 70s
nubbins`: but yeah. deeds dating back to the early 80s for this property
nubbins`: i wonder if he's a licensed breeder for those purebred cats he's selling?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13385 @ 0.00025862 = 3.4616 BTC [-] {2}
lobbes: <nubbins'> lobbes guy threatened to do unspecified things to me << O.o Link in the logs? This guy sounds like a full-time scammzor (with the 'miner group buy' scam, et al). Plenty of sustenance in that forum, too
lobbes: i wonder if he's a licensed breeder for those purebred cats he's selling? << prolly just uses lathe on cats he finds on the street
punkman: "Within 5 minutes of you starting in with your shit i had people messaging me your address in Canada, Your phone number, the address for your print shop, more information than anyone would want someone like me to know if they wated to start shit, its very clear that you have pissed a lot of people off in the past with this shit you pull as they all came rushing in to DOX the fuck out of you, and i am just asshole enough to make use of i
punkman: "How many pizzas do you think i can have delivered to you at home and work, how long do you think i can tie up your phone with robo dial, ever heard of swatting? " << this guy...
punkman: did anyone ever get swatted in canada?
danielpbarron: someone from -otc sent me a pizza once; just so happened to be the same day as my weekly poker game so i just paid for it
Chillum: punkman: No "swat" but I have had a battering ram knock in my door and cops with shields and guns rush in. They have a different name
Chillum: it was a misunderstanding, I was acquitted
nubbins`: punkman my full mailing address is already on the forums
nubbins`: so i don't know what the guy's bragging about :P
nubbins` makes no effort to hide personal info
nubbins`: also, given the number of times i've called the cops on shady dealings in my neighbourhood, i've got my doubts that any cop would do anthing to my door beyond politely knocking on it
nubbins`: anyway, got a solid bead on the guy now. found the construction company he started in NY in 2010
nubbins`: he says he's ordering dinner for me, which is thrilling
mats: report the etsy store
mats: obv not 'hand carved'
fluffypony: I wonder if I can fake a pic of the 1000 coins
nubbins`: blockchain analysis says this didn't happen, but w/e
nubbins`: i hope WC orders me a good type of pizza
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 381 @ 0.00277787 = 1.0584 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 371 @ 0.00273 = 1.0128 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 388 @ 0.00273265 = 1.0603 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 390 @ 0.00273265 = 1.0657 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 518 @ 0.00271505 = 1.4064 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 390 @ 0.00273265 = 1.0657 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.0002593 = 2.5411 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00026303 = 2.7618 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 474 @ 0.00279282 = 1.3238 BTC [+] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 412 @ 0.00280484 = 1.1556 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 835 @ 0.00282564 = 2.3594 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 431 @ 0.00284088 = 1.2244 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5481 @ 0.00026303 = 1.4417 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19250 @ 0.00026303 = 5.0633 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4514 @ 0.00026303 = 1.1873 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24550 @ 0.00026502 = 6.5062 BTC [+] {2}
mats: ^ 'Bootkit via SMS: 4G access level security assessment'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35400 @ 0.00025647 = 9.079 BTC [-] {3}
nubbins`: purple pogos still in ontario ;/
assbot: TotesMessenger comments on There is a targeted attack on Bitcoin occurring right now, coordinated by national agencies. I know this because I am an insider with prior involvement in a key operation. ... (
http://bit.ly/1PknucE )
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14936 @ 0.00026631 = 3.9776 BTC [+] {2}
lobbes: "DISRUPT - Divide community consensus and steer towards Operational and COMMAND objectives by means of standard counter-actor and sabotage procedures."
ascii_field: reddit users: does it have to be a moderator who deletes a piece, to result in the '[removed]' label?
lobbes: I believe a user can remove his own, though I'm not sure if that results in the [removed] label
lobbes: I think you are correct. I just did a quick test; no [removed] flag. Just disappears from the page. Going to the url just displays the 'by [deleted]' flag
ben_vulpes: who's on the qntra /reddit as usg mouthpiece/ beat?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3764 @ 0.00026954 = 1.0145 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9955 @ 0.00025522 = 2.5407 BTC [-]
fluffypony: "Want to become a professional investor? Our first short-term investment program starts today - GET 150% FOR A 10-DAY DEPOSIT."
fluffypony: Received: from o1.em.coinbase.com (o1.em.coinbase.com. [50.31.37.137])
fluffypony: by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w20si10513481icc.3.2015.04.08.12.32.35
fluffypony: "em.coinbase.com designates 50.31.37.137 as permitted sender"
fluffypony: so I think CoinBase's SendGrid account has been compromised?
mircea_popescu: wait, in this lalaland of imaginary imaginations the newspapers acquire the failed banks ?
mircea_popescu: oh, i see, because they have no btc, all they have is "mindshare", and in respect to that pseudo-capital coinsetter is better capitalised than cavirtex ?
ben_vulpes: sure, coinsetter's not liked around here but grok i not how 'tis a newspaper.
mircea_popescu: dude i swear there was a different coinsetter that was trying to be a sort of coindeks
ben_vulpes: integrity check to mircea_popescu's symbol table please
ben_vulpes: they may have some slave in the third world cranking aggregation on their blog, perhaps that's what's got you spun.
assbot: Logged on 30-04-2013 01:55:22; mjr___: kakobrekla: "The skateboard ride to Saks today was a little rough, but the skateboard back was great!" I am not joking that is the latest status update from coinsetter CEO...he's a nice guy
mircea_popescu: i dunno why they were filed under "just another subreddit" but w/e.
mircea_popescu: it honestly doth not seem so very mistaken upon review.
mircea_popescu: Co-founder & CPO at @BitGo. Co-founder of @Beluga. Running Bitcoin syndicate on AngelList.
mircea_popescu: I believe in markets and trading to increase the wealth of the world."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11050 @ 0.00025472 = 2.8147 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 07-04-2015 15:20:37; deedbot-: accepted: 2
mircea_popescu: it's been danced around with all sorts of patches and whatnot, but multiple ddos avenues related to fragmentation.
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 246.0, Best ask: 246.01, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 246.01, 24 hour volume: 38386.95711616, 24 hour low: 242.72, 24 hour high: 256.4, 24 hour vwap: None
mircea_popescu: ascii_field part of the problem is that you're stuck mushing together items that can arbitrarily be anything between 100 bytes and whatever, 250kb. and there's a lot of them. no way to allocate but dynamically, willy-nilly keep getting them allocated and deallocated and again and again.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i know what heap fragging is
mircea_popescu: no, i just mean, with bitcoin is to some degree unavoidalbe, because txn.
ascii_field: typically this is handled with custom 'multi-generational' allocator
mircea_popescu: yes but it's worse than that : if you have an elegant alocator and the people do not, your chain will fork and theirs will not.
mircea_popescu: this is one of those places where bug to bug compatibility rears it's ugly butt.
jurov: what part of buttcoin depends on memory allocation?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: if allocator leads to fork, it is wrong
mircea_popescu: kinda why idiots (and by that i mean satoshi) shouldn't be allowed to code in the first place. but hey, we believe in the power of belief...
mircea_popescu: ascii_field it will construct and mine a block that makes everyone else crash, conceivably.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: a proper 1m block should never be able to 'make everyone crash'
ascii_field: if such a thing could, then bitcoin is buggy and the sooner it is detonated, the better
mircea_popescu: in fact, this has happened (not due to the heap issue, true)
mircea_popescu: note very similar issue : exhausted locks, exhausted heap...
ascii_field: it was an epic lameness and a number of folks ought to have felt the stake
mircea_popescu: yeah well. let me propose something for you here. just for curiosity's sake, a rough model.
mircea_popescu: so i broadcast 50k 140 byte txn. you allocate these, they fail, you deallocate them. before you had time to go through the lot however,
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> dude i swear there was a different coinsetter that was trying to be a sort of coindeks << I constantly run into new ventures that imagine they are qntra competitors
mircea_popescu: i also broadcast 50k 150 byte txn. these go in your pile, and on fresh memory.
mircea_popescu: by the time you're entirely exhausted, i broadcast some more txn and mine a block with them.
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> who's on the qntra /reddit as usg mouthpiece/ beat? << There is a trilema post tracking this phenomenon, but if you want to elevate it to a sustained operation go for it.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: this in fact happens 'in the wild.' the only reason it does not lead to forks where folks with, e.g., 1GB of ram wheel off into a parallel universe from folks with 2GB, and 4GB, etc. is,
ascii_field: that the fragging issue itself results in ludicrously overpowered boxes being put to use
mircea_popescu: note that this is one of the majorest issues lurking in the "larger blocks"
mircea_popescu: currently the 1mb limit is blessfully keeping THIS (among its many sisters) under the water.
mircea_popescu: that gavin [pretends like he] doesn't know such is exactly why the verbiage as to the retarded boy in one of my articles debunking the nonsense.
jurov: i don't see the issue why that would lead to fork per se.
jurov: you just flush the disk cache by your misallocations and then take longer to verify the block
mircea_popescu: but do you mathematically see the proof where it never would ?
mircea_popescu: in general, going by the "never one single bug in kitchen, and noting that bdb locks are a resource of the kind that pointers are, just one easier to exhaust, i propose this as likely, on the basis of my business heuristics.
mircea_popescu: which obviously differ from your coder heuristics. but differ to our benefit.
jurov: bdb is much more coplicated and hard to debug api than malloc/free
mircea_popescu: and the bitcoind allocation scheme isn't a jewel or anything.
ascii_field: 'isn't a jewel' << mega-understatement of the century
jurov: nothing is a jewel here
jurov: yea, like you never make mistakes
ascii_field: at any rate, this gedankenexperiment is an interesting one - where does 'bug for bug compatibility' legitimately stop? are we obligated to crash for 1GB of uncoalesceable crud, or 2GB? 4? 16?
mircea_popescu: we don't care atm, because we know experimentally the system as deployed is stable.
ascii_field: didn't say that it was (except that it - was, i measured)
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, before any sort of change, like say a block size increase, this will have to be measured
mircea_popescu: not among which, the opnion of reddit, the headers of miners etc.
ascii_field: at what point do 'we' get to proclaim that folks using the buggy version are retarded ?
mircea_popescu: we explain the problem, publish the measuring tools, let people declare themselves retarded.
ascii_field has no idea how, or even whether, this is handled.
mircea_popescu: like i've been waiting, on many things, for many years.
ascii_field: and until then, what? we are required to leak at the same rate as which extant bitcoind?
ascii_field: we don't even know for a fact what it is the miners use..
mircea_popescu: as teh expression goes, "relax, you have plenty of time. tomorrow - you die."
ascii_field: to continue with the line of thought, as soon as we so much as frag less than gavin's turd, someone - anyone - could send us off on a fork of less-retardation.
ascii_field: simply by churning out 'godelian' blocks for gavincoin
nubbins`: man, reddit's taking a page from the book of alf today o.O
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ascii_field: 'oh noez non-crippled hardware, someone other than usg could modify it'
punkman: AMD's "management engine" equivalent is also bad, isn't it though
ascii_field: at one time there was much crowing re: a 'xilinx fpga backdoor'
ascii_field: turned out, it was possible to read back the bitstream from a 'locked' unit
ascii_field: 'oh noez, the chip is auditable when we don't want it to be! boobytrap!'
ascii_field: in every single case, it was a 'oh noez this is accidentally auditable'
ascii_field: oh noez the user is not caged properly! there are a few loose bars!
punkman: ascii_field: not mandatory, as in I can get a motherboard without it?
ascii_field: pathetic buggers, doing the one and only thing they are good at - 'spinning the controversy'
punkman: guess I'll have to look into that
punkman: any part numbers you'd recommend?
ascii_field: punkman: i'm partial to older 'tyan' boards
mircea_popescu: ascii_field have you seen the recent "gamer desktops" recommendations btw ? nothing but intel.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i must confess that it is not a subject i regularly follow.
ascii_field: but i will point out that it has become -nearly- impossible to assemble a proper workstation without recourse to 'antiques' vendors
ascii_field: and among portable computers, amd is extinct other than in 'disposable' models
mircea_popescu: seems teh usg-consensus pretty much is to make amd extinct.
punkman spies old Athlon cartridge on bookshelf
jurov: lolwut, eulora will need recent hardware?
jurov: 3d as needed by eulora is here... 10years or so?
mircea_popescu: punkman wasn't the "management engine" an intel thing ?
punkman: mircea_popescu: AMD has an equivalent
punkman: I think I linked that video before
punkman: System Management Unit (SMU)
BingoBoingo: Back in college the phrasing to trigger a smoke break was "Do you think you can handle a cigarette now?" "I think I Can, Sir."
assbot: What Makes It Page?: The Windows 7 (x64) Virtual Memory Manager: Enrico Martignetti: 9781479114290: Amazon.com: Books ... (
http://bit.ly/1amFHWN )
mats: finally got myself a hard copy after some searching of the interwebs. nobody has bothered to warez, yet...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25539 @ 0.00025467 = 6.504 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: ^ here's where woodcollector agrees to make the "$14,000 wooden B" for... 1 btc.
nubbins`: "just keep it $200 - $400 range and impress me."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16692 @ 0.00025522 = 4.2601 BTC [+]
jurov: obama should ask him for $1T wooden bitcoin next time he's got probs with fed
fluffypony: Obama should just find the secret case
nubbins`: also, he never ordered supper for me like he said he would >:(
mats: youtube.com/watch?v=zvImG-0uIX4
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29550 @ 0.00027389 = 8.0934 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Probably jsut a handful of "businesses" that found themselved locked in
mircea_popescu: hmm so the ~90 i paid for it isn't really THAT outrageous.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57689 @ 0.00025817 = 14.8936 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13746 @ 0.00025086 = 3.4483 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 08-04-2015 12:28:32; nubbins`: wow, guy paid less than $30k for his house.
assbot: Logged on 08-04-2015 14:03:00; punkman: send him a piece of driftwood
assbot: Logged on 08-04-2015 14:07:48; nubbins`: i wonder if he's a licensed breeder for those purebred cats he's selling?
assbot: Logged on 08-04-2015 14:55:01; danielpbarron: someone from -otc sent me a pizza once; just so happened to be the same day as my weekly poker game so i just paid for it
assbot: Logged on 08-04-2015 15:04:18; Chillum: it was a misunderstanding, I was acquitted
mircea_popescu: "your honor, this man is totally innocent of what the police did to his house."
lobbes: everybody wants to be batman, I guess
jurov: anyone can explain to me why the reddit turd is considered seriously here?
jurov: i get nothing, too :D
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, i have nfi why they don't use cocoa powder to disperse crowds.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> speaking of which, i have nfi why they don't use cocoa powder to disperse crowds. << You just end up with a different crowd with a heavier category of people
mod6: "in fuckbuckett." lol
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nah, you ever seen what happens if you accidentally a bag ?
jurov: i'd like to try stevia sometime. it is already available in fine powder
mircea_popescu: jurov "PDFs/PPTs or it didn't happen." was pretty good...
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo nah, you ever seen what happens if you accidentally a bag ? << I get the most delicous coffing fits.
mircea_popescu: i mean people would come with their freshly baked cookies for a dusting...
BingoBoingo: Fuck, grandpa had a stroke Friday and he's already back to walking around normally. The only thing that seems to have changed is he actually takes his blood pressure medicine.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40350 @ 0.00025959 = 10.4745 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Only only hope that if I make it to 90 I can be that durable.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00026302 = 4.4187 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: I guess I better get a hold of meals on wheels
assbot: Logged on 08-04-2015 16:15:40; fluffypony: and claim I found them
TomServo: cazalla: should've suggested swordfish if ya gonna troll :P << shit, I was serious. I must be using my rose-tinted glasses on this one. I'mma have to rewatch this now.
mircea_popescu: so are we gonna call teh usg ops "tiki taka" ? seems adequately derpy...
mircea_popescu: "oh we shall send people in #bitcoin-assets as per standard counter-actor and sabotage procedures to be made within hours and laughed at all the way to the front desk."
assbot: Logged on 08-04-2015 19:38:27; fluffypony: so I think CoinBase's SendGrid account has been compromised?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you care enough about coinbase to write up this latest lulz ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I haven't been up long enough to get good sourcing on it. If someone else want to write it up I'd check and publish it.
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danielpbarron: Please note: Initial deposit amounts exceeding +30 bitcoin will qualify your membership for a 2nd level upgrade. << MPEx sets the standard
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BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: You want to write this one up?
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 244.55, vol: 11594.32792055 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 243.326, vol: 7726.90295 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 244.91, vol: 39772.9444729 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 243.329788, vol: 128921.67480000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 249.45692, vol: 13.68792084 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 253.077009989, vol: 133.44500285 | Volume-weighted last average: 243.746195825
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I've no seen any reason other than "pissing contest"
TomServo is the proud owner of 'adulterated' pogo.
TomServo: Now to figure out these u-bout and buildroot things.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00024978 = 4.4211 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: TomServo: have you accomplished netconsole yet?
ben_vulpes: bitcoinrpg -> control the network quest -> bitcoind quest (now apparently depends on buildroot quest, which depends on gentoo quest, so may as well pogoquest as well)
ben_vulpes: i need a fucking quest tree to keep track of all this shit
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Like with executions I imagine they will try to put a medical veneer on it.
TomServo: ben_vulpes: sorry, had to reference danielpbarron's docs.. you're referring to enabling SSH access?
ben_vulpes: no, the part where pogo boots and then attaches to a nc instance running on your host machine
TomServo: Negative... I enabled SSH and waited for my USB>TTY convertors to arrive
ben_vulpes: TomServo: oh, you've actually cracked the case and everything?
TomServo: heh, I guess? Seems like an awful way to learn soldering, I'll say that.
TomServo: I was surprised I got it working.
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TomServo: Couple snips of the plastic allowed me to poke the wires through.
TomServo: The ridges over the ventilation holes in the bottom.
BingoBoingo: "Shockingly, only 27 percent of doctors could correctly diagnosis malaria with anemia, and 29 percent could correctly diagnose diarrhea with severe dehydration" << WTF
ben_vulpes: cops are scawwy what with their failure to understand basic physics
ben_vulpes: third world nomenclature isn't really my thing.
decimation: asciilifeform: actually I would posit that the us mostly has a 'Gendarmerie'
ben_vulpes: decimation: don't cities operate their own police force?
ben_vulpes: maybe this socialist utopia's the last holdout. federales have been leaning hard on them for cracking a few too many crackpot brainpans, and beating up on brown folks.
BingoBoingo: In my understanding outside of very large cities, grants tend to push local police toward the most tedious tasks
decimation: after all it's not like the fbi can't come up with an excuse to arrest you if they wish
ben_vulpes: i accidentally a stop sign at oh 30 mph on my bike the other day, right in front of a copper.
ben_vulpes: thirty seconds later, "you know, i'm not the sort of guy to insist on a full foot-down stop from bikers at every stop sign. but DUDE! you came through that intersection at easily over 20 mph!"
decimation: usg paid $bil to hollow out mountain, then paid $$ to modernize it after 2001, then decided it was 'too small' in 2006 (apparently nukes weren't a concern anymore) and now has suddenly seen wisdom in moving back into the bunker
decimation: asciilifeform: you can imagine how it would cramp the style of a high ranking usg 'staffer' to report for duty inside a hole
decimation: it's amazing how the interests of the 'public at large' (even 'usg at large') can be usurped by some bureaucrat who likes a nice window office
BingoBoingo wonders what is being done with Yucca mountain since it hasn't been filled with rads
decimation: but here's the thing: apparently even the nuclear defense/attack commanders have been 'cixi-ized'
decimation: in the late 50's and 60's the nuclear force was largely run by actual people, who had agendas that made sense
decimation: there are plenty of folks who are willing to pose with 'a hand on the captain's wheel'
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, decimation: 'cixi' << a reference to the dowager empress?
ben_vulpes: and the analogue here is "holes are unpleasant"?
decimation: of course reddit doesn't even need to pay employees, what with having a vast reservoir of people who would gladly pay to work there
ben_vulpes: entirely transparent project to reduce hiring costs
ben_vulpes: jesus i will never live that squeeze thing down
assbot: Logged on 22-10-2014 17:16:44; mats_cd03: this sounds like something i want to be involved in
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mircea_popescu: But in the spirit of thumbing ones nose at government overreach, heres a sampling of unofficial, but highly reputable statistics about Tanzania that might explain whats going on.
mircea_popescu: Like many other African countries, Tanzania has made huge strides in expanding basic services like health and education. The primary school enrollment rate, for instance, is officially at 94%. But unofficial statistics suggest the quality of those services is often quite poor.
mircea_popescu: hey look at that. tanzanian kids read about as well as us kids.
mircea_popescu: except, of course, english is about as relevant to tanzania as korean to the us.
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ben_vulpes: trinque: i need those legacy deeds in deedbot.
mircea_popescu: decimation yea, i'm sure THAT's why they don't negotiate.
mircea_popescu: not because economy's dead and whoever has "investors" to connect them to the printing teat can simply dictate terms.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> entirely transparent project to reduce hiring costs << moar like, entirely transparent admission that "well, mp said he's killing us, we're as good as dead, might as well give up"
ben_vulpes: boss your penchant for recasting everything as a result of your own actions is endlessly amusing
trinque: ben_vulpes: alright, I'll put 'em in
ben_vulpes: apropos of nothing, what kind of retarded programming situation *even permits* for the bitcoin reward overflow bug in the first place?!
ben_vulpes: trinque: thanks man. there's a lot of rebel foundation stuff in there i need published again.
trinque: ben_vulpes: no problemo; doin it now
mircea_popescu: 3. The group is of the opinion that their work was being overlooked because of their politics, and that the Hugo ballots and winners of the last several years were only awarded due to leftist politics and the racial/sexual/gender identities of their authors, not quality. The tenor of the call to arms was explicitly and often resoundingly politicalthis is your chance to hurt SJWs. If you dont know what an SJ
mircea_popescu: W is, I hope youre enjoying your new computer. It stands for Social Justice Warrior, which to a normal person sounds like someone who fights for justice and cares about all human beings, and to conservatives like the devil himself. The implication that they then must support injustice seems to be lost.
mircea_popescu: really, opposing "social justice" implies one supports... injustice ? how about the obvious "social-anything is stupid, for many reasons we won't rehash, and never has anything to do with the vanilla version" ?
mircea_popescu: "4. None of this is strictly speaking against the rules. Its unethical. Its almost laughably petty and mean-spirited."
mircea_popescu: o wait. bitching at excellent scientists because they didn't say stupid-thing-x-about-our-aggenda is not laughably petty and outright idiotic.
mircea_popescu: ".And to an author of integrity, its a pointless act of bullying, because if you dont compete against the best, an award is meaningless."
mircea_popescu: right. and brokeback mountain isn't an endless piece of meaningless cheese. because polarities.
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> right. and brokeback mountain isn't an endless piece of meaningless cheese. because polarities. <<< in fairness, the book was under 100 pages
ben_vulpes: here's to the minimum wage and full employment!
mircea_popescu: The ballot looks ridiculous. John C. Wright has three nominations in the novella category and six overall, a record. The vast majority of the works are published by Castalia House, a Finnish micropublisher barely a year old and owned, Im sure coincidentally, by Vox Day. Wisdom From My Internet, nominated in the Best Related Work category, is neither science fiction, nor, strictly speaking, a book, (Edit: many things
mircea_popescu: not books have been nominated in the category, lets say its not an original work) but a collection of right-wing chain emails and one linerswhich, among other works
ben_vulpes: may it drain the usg's coffers and drive her to hitherto unprecedented printing sprees.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` ^ exactly like that, but in the other stupid colors.
nubbins`: <+ben_vulpes> boss your penchant for recasting everything as a result of your own actions is endlessly amusing <<< i came for the btc, stayed for the lels
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally - amway never took off in romania.
mircea_popescu: reason ? unattached youngish female begging people is usually offered a junior mistress arrangement.
nubbins`: <+asciilifeform> (tenure does not exist in canada?) <<< canada's like a miniature version of usa set back a few years.
decimation: I bet cultures that are largely 'peer to peer' are immune to 'multi-level marketing'
mircea_popescu: i suppose one needs the particular idiocies of the us for the particular forms of the us idiocy to manifest.
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mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> <+ben_vulpes> boss your penchant for recasting everything as a result of your own actions is endlessly amusing <<< i came for the btc, stayed for the lels << hey, if obama can save the economy...
decimation: I was thinking in the sense that 'why should I buy from your dumbass amway when I already have a guy for that'
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: you savvy "food stamps"?
mircea_popescu: decimation no, it's more like "why would a pretty girl like you go do this whorish stupid thing ?"
decimation: in the us most of these schemes are 'sold
ben_vulpes: surely i'm not that drunk yet i thought we were talking of ilka
trinque: punkman: hey dude, what's the encoding of the old deeds table's deed field?
trinque: punkman: it's a blob with dunno what inside
nubbins`: i'm making breakfast cereal from scratch :o
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: that is what i thought!
nubbins`: mircea_popescu special sour yeast starter 8)
nubbins`: "have a scratch, then bake it; natch"
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nubbins`: srs tho, been making cereal for about a month now. top yum
ben_vulpes: i already have my own poet, can't be arsed with more.
nubbins`: i may never buy honey shreddies again
ben_vulpes: failed to satisfy master while starving, time...
trinque: that prominent mons scared my weechat
assbot: Could we make a "silk road for medicine", where users can buy not only medicine, but medical advice? Tipping for feedback. : Bitcoin ... (
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nubbins`: sorry, i know all i'm doing is pasting links today
nubbins`: the guy is proposing to merge the silk road with yahoo! answers
nubbins`: "Hi, I'm an attorney. I want to describe what I consider to be inherent problems with this."
danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, did you intend to move the first footnote? I meant for it to go with the sentence about where Coinbase's response came from.
trinque: nubbins`: that black chick that was doing the cement ass injections would be great for the site
nubbins`: i can only imagine the horrors behind that statement. agreed.
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: I did. Not a fan of footnotes above the read more link, looks confusing on the front page.
trinque: asciilifeform: with a name like that how could you not inject into your arse?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i and everybody else have it in my car, in the box in the back where the fire extinguisher etc. is kept << Wait your fire extinguisher isn't under the seat?
ben_vulpes: trinque: gawker and friends are blocked at /etc/hosts on babetops
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> (for non-u.s. folks - a product consisting of an aerosol tin with a hose and a pull ring. hose attaches to flat tire, pull ring, contents - a sort of rubbery foam - released into tire in lieu of air) << Also pretty much guarentees you need a new wheel after use
trinque: later... "BingoBoingo | bitch my whole car is a fire extinguisher"
decimation: BingoBoingo: yeah but the point is to inflate wheel enough to make it to tire vendor
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Amall dry powder in passenger compartment, CO2 in trunk except summers
BingoBoingo: decimation: That's what undersized spare in trunk is for
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: So you don't have a "dining fly" style tarp rig in your trunk?
trinque: also if you're a tranny it makes for great womanly curves
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The fix a flat adheres to the wheel's metal. Also tends to deploy unevenly. wheels in the best case need scraped after use, in worst case become malformed
nubbins`: "Update: Some of you have suggested that Morris might have body dysmorphic disorder. If that's the case, we hope she finds a professional who can guide her away from excessive plastic surgeries and toward self-acceptance."
nubbins`: "sorry, we didn't realize this obvious mental illness had a name"
BingoBoingo: decimation: "a while" is not a very precise measurement
BingoBoingo always been sold on not using fix a flat without first person experience.
BingoBoingo also generally suspicious of build quality of vehicle parts
mircea_popescu: nubbins` for my curiosity, when are you gonna get bored with it ?
nubbins`: <+asciilifeform> e.g. amputation fetishist gets amputation, etc. <<< met a girl once who'd self-amputated her fingertip, doctors didn't think too much of it
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> nubbins` for my curiosity, when are you gonna get bored with it ? <<< now-ish
nubbins`: apparently chisels are popular
trinque: they'll make a "subculture" out of anything
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> the guy is proposing to merge the silk road with yahoo! answers << well, they already implemented "yahoo finance boards" as "bitcoin finance"
trinque: kitten stomping, dick hammering, you name it
trinque: what will the kids think of next
nubbins`: trinque what's wrong with dick hammering?
decimation: I don't get how one gets from "want to cut" to "imma cut my fukin' fingertip off'
nubbins`: i actually read a handful of stories from self-amputees over the years
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> trinque: gawker and friends are blocked at /etc/hosts on babetops << what sort of an abusive relationsheep is this!
trinque: asciilifeform: nah dueling has no victim
trinque: nubbins`: seems like incremental suicide
decimation: maybe if my hand is dead that's like suicide?
nubbins`: trinque waking up every day is incremental suicide
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> wai wat is a 'babetop' ? << Tits???
trinque: not like I've never felt pain, but I don't see the point in losing parts
assbot: De-Fingered: Finger Amputation Interviews in BME/News [Publisher's Ring] | BME: Tattoo, Piercing and Body Modification News ... (
http://bit.ly/1anMnE6 )
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: you know how it is when they come to you asking for the right decisions to be made.
trinque: seems like humans will a) accept any category they've heard about a certain number of times and b) compete with each other as examples of that category
decimation: sure why not make a subreddit where sick fucks can egg each other on
decimation: maybe a subreddit discussing why "i don't negotiate because reasons"
mircea_popescu: no further than tonight, girl got sent to bed early because well, bought eggs at carefour.
nubbins`: asciilifeform he couldn't saw it off himself, so he froze it with dry ice and went to the hospital
nubbins`: where they kindly removed it for him
mircea_popescu: but the idea isn't to make stupid shit impossible. just punishable.
ben_vulpes: (the correct procurement point being avicar, clearly)
decimation: yeah, but then you gotta go back to mining uranium without hand
ben_vulpes: what was she doing at carefour anyways?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: hey avicar had great eggs
assbot: Interview with James Keen; a young, heavily modified, eunuch. | BME: Tattoo, Piercing and Body Modification News ... (
http://bit.ly/1cbfxYa )
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes prolly looking for gawker magazine, fuck if i know.
nubbins`: ^ i actually watched this guy go from a vanilla fat kid into what you see in the first picture
decimation: if you feel like hacking your foot off, can I eat it?
nubbins`: over the course of maybe 2-3 years
trinque: cannot comprehend a person who cuts off his own balls
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: gawker magazine << hawww
trinque: other than it must be a few notches below suicide
trinque: genetic suicide or something
ben_vulpes: and now there are three, asciilifeform
trinque: "but dude... you are... hmmm.. *you*."
decimation: ". I remember as my second testicle was being clipped from the body, it was an expierence I won’t forget! The feeling of YES it is finally done! I remember it all like yesterday. Months after, and I’m talking 3-4 months of not taking testosterone shots or anything, I started getting hot flashes."
mircea_popescu: i'd really like to get with the program here and think "hey, more power to em", but the vast majority of the self improvers are just deranged.
ben_vulpes: i actually *let my piercings close up*
decimation: ^ which is why they need to be put back to mining U instead of letting them wollow in 'tardation
trinque: ben_vulpes: yeah I had pierced ears
mircea_popescu: decimation i dun believe anyone's stupidity is anyone else's responsibility.
ben_vulpes: but i'm probably fully in the deranged category
bitstein: DKIM?" So that worked out well for them.
ben_vulpes: trinque: i had a subcutaneous piercing across the back of my neck
nubbins`: that said, there are plenty of people who cut off a fingertip, tattoo their face, cut their nuts off, w/e... and then just go on to lead a normal, happy life
decimation: I guess as long as they are hacking their own feet off and not mine
nubbins`: they're in the clear minority, sure
mircea_popescu: bitstein the thing with idiots is that they will continue to think they know better indefinitely.
ben_vulpes: trinque: i'll show you the vampire bite sometime
mircea_popescu: hopefully they run out of money and then they vcan go on thinking they knew better with the winklevii and the rest of the dumbcrowd.
nubbins`: <+ben_vulpes> trinque: i had a subcutaneous piercing across the back of my neck << hah no wai
nubbins`: i had the frenulum under my tongue pierced
bitstein: mircea_popescu: I don't think we ever expected them to actually implement it. We just enjoy publicly shaming wallet inspectors.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` "leading normal happy life" is not the gold standard.
ben_vulpes: bitstein: y'all reconcile over the megablocks yet?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu for someone who has to cut off a finger to achieve it... it probably is
trinque: I'm still staring at this guy's severed finger
decimation: nubbins`: when my baby boy was born the doctor said "his frenulum is really long, you want me to snip it"?
ben_vulpes: nubbins`: if you need "a thing" to achieve it, you'll soon want another "thing"
danielpbarron: i wasn't suggesting coinbase gpg sign all outgoing email, as such a thing would be pointless if automated, and impossible if not
mircea_popescu: moreover, people who think they achieved hapiness are the golden standard of deranged.
nubbins`: ben_vulpes if you need to cum to relax, you'll soon want to cum again
decimation: a turd sandwich sounds delicious to someone about the starve to death
decimation: nubbins`: no, and he did just fine. supposedly it would 'prevent nursing'
nubbins`: decimation if it ends up a problem down the road, people have it done as adults all the time
BingoBoingo: bitspill: DKIM used to be a popular spamzor turd at first, guarenteed to hit yahoo accounts
nubbins`: mircea_popescu you don't think cutting the fingertips off is pleasurable for these people?
bitstein: ben_vulpes: I've been busy thinking about other things. I have some articles to review, though, that touch the subject. So we'll see if anyone comes to any new conclusions.
nubbins`: pleasure centers are funny things
trinque: seems like the finger cutting wants an audience
nubbins`: since when is deranged a negative!
nubbins`: asciilifeform unsurprisingly there's a massive overlap between "body mod" world and bdsm
trinque: miles of difference between getting choked or whatever and cutting off body parts
ben_vulpes: punkman: yo i need legacy deed specifications. get in touch with trinque, if you'd be so kind.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell punkman yo i need legacy deed specifications. get in touch with trinque, if you'd be so kind.
mircea_popescu: there's a large overlap between idiotic sjw types, fair going lice-in-hair types, gender-and-social-role-issues types and perceived-scandalous-stuff types.
Chillum: almost spit gin and tonic out my nose nubbins`
trinque: I knew someone who was a "cutter"
trinque: and it was invariably about the attention after the act
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and for the record, the overlap between bdsm and "scenes" is roughly the overlap between human sexuality and brazzers.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu and there isn't an overlap between the two groups who agree "hurty things are nice". gotcha
mircea_popescu: nubbins` if your idea of bdsm is "hurty things are nice" and idem of body mods, the problem is this will overlap anything.
nubbins`: you know there's still no option for "none of the above" here?
mircea_popescu: anyway. the pain per se is rarely sought by the body mod crowd. as trinque points out, attention whoring much higher on the list.
mircea_popescu: similarly, more people in bdsm are after the humiliation than the straight pain.
mircea_popescu: so... you know, picking something way down off the list of either doesn't make much of a connection
nubbins`: in fairness, i went way farther down the mod rabbit hole than most
nubbins`: i've met some extremely complicated people over the years
nubbins`: good, 'cause i didn't get that impression
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well the masochists you imagine and the masochists you'll encounter are guaranteed to never meet.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, actual masochism is quite rare. about as rare as actual homosexuals.
mircea_popescu: whereas, plain female submission (either natural, or else imprinted/misdeveloped) is quite common.
mircea_popescu: women to some degree are coded to neglect pain or else they'd never get pregnant.
nubbins`: knew a guy who went by the name "mal" who was in the process of letting his wife cut his dick off
mircea_popescu: imagine you just found out how to neglect noise in a noisy room
mircea_popescu: narrow space in the head, so everything ends up the other thing all the time. broken shit.
nubbins`: he ended up getting divorced in the end, which was a bit of a kick in his absent nuts
nubbins`: but at least he has a bifurcated penis for his troubles now
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i knew of a guy who was a total slob, ended up giving himself renal failure.
mircea_popescu: wife gave him a kidney (they matched), he cleanned up his act
nubbins`: hm, you ever watch Lost? i guess not
trinque: asciilifeform: hm, maybe I didn't describe the situation I know of fully. she mentioned that it cleared her head a couple times
nubbins`: anyway, in the show, there's this old man, john locke. hard life, series of misfortunes. finds his dad as an adult, befriends him, everything's great
trinque: I think a pathological way to do so, but maybe there was something there other than just the narcissism, though that factored in
nubbins`: john wakes up in the recovery room after donating said kidney -- dad had checked out an hour earlier, never to be seen again
mircea_popescu: actually, i now recall there was this ancient... czech maybe ? film, about a stamp collector
nubbins`: he tracks his dad down, they argue, dad pushes him out a 7th floor window, paralyzing him
mircea_popescu: and they tricked him with a rare stamp, guy lost a kidney.
trinque: I think I'd have to not consider my body to be "me" to be able to cut off a finger..
trinque: seems like magical thinking just as bad as any religious nut
nubbins`: trinque what about "thinking" is not magical to you?
trinque: that's what I mean, able to rationalize it
trinque: asciilifeform: I agree up to the point where they try to make the body fit the "mind"
trinque: instead of saying look kid, you've got a penis
mircea_popescu: yeah, because god forbid their stupid "mind" ie narciself ever has to adapt to anything.
Chillum: I have been looking into laser cutters. I have seen this aluminum with a black anodized layer. The laser can blast off the black layer to give strong contrasting metal images. I am thinking it may be a good way to make very long term(decades) bitcoin wallets
nubbins`: "nineteen eighty-four" with an all-female cast!
nubbins`: this is right before the "FOREVER"
Chillum: not sure if you can anodize bronze
Chillum: it has the advantage of being extremely durable
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it wouldn't work, imo. 1984 so deeply depends on very male erotic sentiment.
trinque: nubbins`: by magical thinking I mean the kind which simply tries to declare things to be other than they are
Chillum: aluminum insulates itself from corrosion once it gets a thin layer
Chillum: mircea_popescu: if it can be anodized then bronze would be a great way to go
Chillum: there are bronze items going back to... well the bronze age
nubbins`: like how the salaryman declares himself to be confident before asking for the promotion?
mircea_popescu: actually the bronze age items will still be imperceptibly altered long after new york is barely a flat spot in the sediment record.
trinque: nubbins`: whatever bullshit rituals work for him
Chillum: just googled it, anodized bronze sheets are available
trinque: nubbins`: he could simply decide that he is going to ask for the thing, and do it
Chillum: could work. The problem is that everyone needs their own laser cutter as you cannot trust another to make a key for you
nubbins`: sure. he could simply decide fuck this, i don't want this dick, what good's it anyway, too
trinque: nubbins`: I'm not gonna stop him
nubbins`: of course you're not. how could you?
Chillum: cutting metal is a no-go for co2 lasers, not going to spend 20k+ on a metal cutter
Chillum: but zapping off 1-2mm thick layers of anodization is doable
trinque: nubbins`: this gets into "everything's relative" and I don't really subscribe to that
Chillum: true but beyond a certain power other types of lasers make more sense
trinque: what would happen if every man cut off his dick
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nubbins`: the laws of probability would have broken down
nubbins`: and we'd have bigger problems.
nubbins`: like, say, the lineup at the dick-scissor store.
Chillum: asciilifeform: I am for a larger place to live, then I will be getting one. Will certainly be doing a lot of research first
nubbins`: trinque it kinda seems like you're arguing people cut their dicks off /on a whim/
trinque: +nubbins` | like, say, the lineup at the dick-scissor store. < ahahha
decimation: does usg even allow you to possess a laser like that without permission?
trinque: nubbins`: nah it seems like... a big deal
trinque: maybe life is just too boring for them?
trinque: they'd rather be hacking enemies with axes or god knows what
Chillum: I don't expect to cut metal
trinque: nubbins`: I was actually looking for an explanation for the thing
trinque: that one sort of works... "I'm wired to experience far more pain and risk than I've ever seen in this boring life"
Chillum: I expect to remove a layer of foil, laminent or anodization from metal
trinque: just seems a bad substitute for whatever used to satisfy it, if that's so
decimation: asciilifeform: wouldn't most of the photons get reflected dangerously around the area?
Chillum: it would be nice to cut PCBs but not going to happen in my price range
nubbins`: trinque people who feel they're being cheated of pain and risk usually take up dangerous hobbies
decimation: Chillum: why not use milling bit to mill pcb?
trinque: nubbins`: I was talking about the guy who chops his finger off
trinque: nubbins`: what do you think it is?
nubbins`: oh, jeez. you're jumping back and forth.
Chillum: decimation: it is cheaper to just use ferric chloride
trinque: nubbins`: yeah this one time..
nubbins`: i mean, REALLY, REALLY wanted to
nubbins`: multiply that by 1000, and make it about having a pussy instead of a dick.
Chillum: etched PCB wallets is something I tried
trinque: nubbins`: but was the guy getting his dick chopped off one of those?
trinque: turns out though that we don't know how to make men into women
trinque: we just know how to turn a dick inside out and sew it inside
nubbins`: what i'm trying to say is that it's impossible for me, or you, to say what any individual's motivations are when doing something this extreme
trinque: nubbins`: I'll agree with that
decimation: if you want to make a 'long life wallet' just get a small sheet of bronze and hand-etch with 'hand engraver' for 10 bux
nubbins`: what's the most complicated personal crisis you've had to deal with?
trinque: nubbins`: identity-wise? I don't tend to think about it. maybe something to do with a job
Chillum: All I know is that anodizing is used instead of paint when something needs to stand up to more abuse
trinque: that relates to how I see this, as a sort of obsession with identity
decimation: asciilifeform: or you could use a 'letter & number die punch set', it would take quite awhile to wear off
nubbins`: most people don't tend to think about personal crises once they've passed, so you're not unusual in that regard. did you find it hard to succinctly state what was wrong, to yourself or to others?
Chillum: a true engraving or outside cut-out would be more ideal
Chillum: solid gold or platinum would not decay
trinque: nubbins`: I am invariably dull when it comes to expressing my feelings to others
trinque: but yes, very hard to take internal state and convey it sometimes, for anyone
Chillum: asciilifeform: nice link, I have read that before
nubbins`: sure. and that's for something as trivial and banal as a fucking /job/.
Chillum: the fact is we have a big tech gap when it comes to storing digital information for long term
decimation: ok imagine you had a gold-etched lexan 'wallet'
decimation: the problem I see is, how are you gonna protect it from being seen?
nubbins`: now imagine how difficult it would be to take the internal state of /wanting to amputate part of your body/ and convey it
Chillum: the gold would not have to be thick
trinque: nubbins`: yeah I see your point
trinque: and how that could run away
nubbins`: anyone who claims to have a grasp on the processes behind these decisions is blowing smoke up your ass
trinque: so doing it ends the obsession? or is that the hope?
trinque: that begins to make a shred of sense
trinque: not how they get the obsession in the first place, but how it ends
decimation: so you put it in your 'safe deposit box', and the bank employees read
nubbins`: how they get the obsession, probably 99% of them couldn't tell you
trinque: it's gonna end up being some bastard fungi
nubbins`: asciilifeform the most common one i've seen is "the part just felt wrong being there"
nubbins`: consider the afore-shared "twwly"
assbot: Logged on 27-02-2015 02:39:08; decimation: "LAWRENCE Look, Ali. Look! That's me. What colour is it? That's me! And there's nothing I can do about it. ALI A man can do whatever he wants, you said. LAWRENCE He can, but he can't want what he wants.This is the stuff [his flesh] that decides what he wants."
nubbins`: had a fingertip amputated maybe 15 years ago
nubbins`: how many fingertips amputated since? 0
nubbins`: alf you just made me dictionary two words, tyvm
nubbins`: but yes, that sounds quite apt
trinque: hm that could be an extremely annoying feeling
trinque: getting all this sensory input from a thing that shouldn't be there
nubbins`: anyway, who can say how a thing gets into a brain?
nubbins`: i have this hazy memory of being extremely sick as a young child, and rolling some very small object, like the size of a grain of sand, between my thumb and forefinger as i writhed in agony
decimation: el Lawrence said it was the flesh that puts it there
nubbins`: this feeling, of rolling the whatever-it-was between my fingers, comes back from time to time
trinque: hm, maybe you picked up something nasty?
nubbins`: no, i mean the sensation of rolling the grain in my fingers
nubbins`: something very queasy about it
trinque: I'm confused; this was an object or just a sensation?
nubbins`: i don't even know if it happened
nubbins`: but it's stuck in my head and every once in a while i get a grain of salt stuck to my thumb
nubbins`: and i walk around for a half hour... rolling it
nubbins`: does this make sense? what is its cause?
nubbins`: why does it make me feel like throwing up sometimes?
nubbins`: and shit gets stuck in them sometimes
decimation: whatever it is, it ain't an object of reason
trinque: I could see there being disorders of the sort of universe modeling of the brain
trinque: like leakage between whatever can make a grain of rice appear in my mind's eye
trinque: and whatever models one on my finger
nubbins`: incidentally, i had a crazy stomach flu a couple years ago and now whenever i get really hungry i feel like barfing