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mircea_popescu: vx lol.
mircea_popescu: http://38.media.tumblr.com/98bac6ee0b3f13d32834aee33295b4a8/tumblr_ngj6scZaxu1u5ddqjo2_400.gif << chump in chumpatron.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FzUZ5h )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unstable bukkake ?
mircea_popescu: lol i guess
decimation: http://www.utilitydive.com/news/why-utilities-could-soon-face-massive-load-defection-and-how-they-can-prev/383558/ < "In only 15 years, RMI research shows, load defection by 9.6 million residential customers in just the Northeastern states could be approximately 58 million megawatt-hours (MWh) annually. Valued at an estimated $15.4 billion, that would be about half the projected utility residential energy sales."
assbot: Why utilities could soon face massive load defection, and how they can prevent it | Utility Dive ... ( http://bit.ly/1FzV9JT )
asciilifeform: ... and what, the furnaces to refine si for panels will also, somehow, run on solar? or is it just that this takes place 'on mars' (asia) and not physically real, somehow
decimation: asciilifeform: as long as the chinese government is willing to subsidize production, why not?
asciilifeform: 'A couple of blocks from the White House, the lights went off for about 30 seconds at the Warner Theatre as Oprah Winfrey delivered a speech honoring Maya Angelou during the dedication of a new postage stamp. After a few seconds, the sound system began to work again, and Winfrey continued her delivery until the lights returned.'
asciilifeform: this could almost be a scene from 'atlas shrugged'
decimation: hehe yeah
mircea_popescu: decimation vehehehehery risky approach this
mircea_popescu: no free lunch and all that.
decimation: what's free? people get tired of blackouts, buy own solar panels & batteries
mircea_popescu: and wtf, they are still derping with that angelou broad ? what, she's "a poet" ?
asciilifeform: decimation: 'buy'
mircea_popescu: decimation china "subsidizes" it like sar subsidizes oil. to fuck the us.
decimation: aye, and the us thinks it is 'winning'
asciilifeform: decimation: not one in 500 usa inmates could afford any of it without subsidy
decimation: well, this is probably true
asciilifeform: not to mention that not one in 10 installations will cover the wattage of the house ac at full sun
decimation: but because it gets added to the real estate bezzletron, it'll get funded
decimation: that part isn't clear - it depends where the house is located
asciilifeform: most solar aficionados forgo the batteries entirely (!)
decimation: in the sunny west, maybe, not so much in the dreary northeast
decimation: ^because batteries are terrible now
asciilifeform: in favour of the meter running backwards mid-day and getting credit on the tab
asciilifeform: batteries come in 'terrible', 'abominable,' and 'abysmal'
mats: anyone remember silicon valley plant going down because of ak47 fire?
decimation: http://www.rtcc.org/2015/03/23/falling-battery-prices-boost-outlook-for-electric-vehicles/
assbot: Falling battery prices boost outlook for electric vehicles ... ( http://bit.ly/1FzWwZc )
asciilifeform: mats: see earlier link!
asciilifeform: mats: some of us remember very, very well.
decimation: batteries can still be terrible and work okay if they become cheap
decimation: economically I mean
asciilifeform: decimation: if thermodynamically expensive - the game ends sooner than chumps expect.
mats: im surprised it hasn't happened again. short teh DJIA, start shooting up coolant rooms at various plants...
asciilifeform: mats: it is quite conceivable that it happened again. today.
decimation: as the article notes, it's already economical to run 'off grid' solar+batteries in hawaii
decimation: but that's because hawaii is fucktarded
asciilifeform: though it is hard to understand why the plotters did not decide to shoot in mid-july
asciilifeform: rather than now, with room-temperature weather
mats: practice run for the summer.
asciilifeform: practice was in 2013.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33606 @ 0.00026489 = 8.9019 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: economics - thermodynamics == chumpatronics.
asciilifeform: magic formula.
asciilifeform: sufficient to cover that idiot kickstarter where 'use your freezer as air conditioner!!11!1' to the battery thing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12509 @ 0.00026774 = 3.3492 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3902 @ 0.0002796 = 1.091 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9613 @ 0.00028014 = 2.693 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> practice was in 2013. << Regional differences in the US electric grid are extreme
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21837 @ 0.00028143 = 6.1456 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 351209 | Current Difficulty: 4.944639068824144E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 352799 | Next Difficulty In: 1590 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 14 hours, 32 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 48776199716.2 | Estimated Percent Change: -1.35539
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25728 @ 0.00028213 = 7.2586 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00028295 = 9.6486 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11750 @ 0.00028552 = 3.3549 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11205 @ 0.00027965 = 3.1335 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up felipelalli
BingoBoingo: felipelalli: Thank you for the comments on qntra
felipelalli: BingoBoingo: welcome! it's an honor.
felipelalli: BingoBoingo: so, let's implement that idea? The ransomware promises: deposit X bitcoin to account XYZ and we'll free your data. Then, do nothing! No more "good bad guys", no more hope. lol
BingoBoingo: felipelalli: Well the entire idea of ransomware is premised on people getting their data back if they pay.
felipelalli: only in this way they'll stop to funding criminals.
felipelalli: BingoBoingo: exactly. This will destroy this idea.
BingoBoingo: If people stop paying entirely or people stop returning data selectively the thing falls apart
felipelalli: BingoBoingo: that's the idea!
BingoBoingo: As seriously as people build up the ransomware threat the entire ecosystem is awfully precarious. One could readily kill it with ransomware that did not honor a ransom
felipelalli: BingoBoingo: making a "really lier" ransomware would accelerate this process. hahaha
BingoBoingo: The risk associated with doing such a thing isn't likely worth it compared to other ventures in BTC which are far nobeler to hang for
felipelalli: yes. I was kidding anyway. But would be fun!
felipelalli: would be the terror of the scammers. A "fake scammer" but "really bad and lier" would make the long-term good, after all.
felipelalli: funny to think about it.
felipelalli: This made me remember this: https://mises.org/sites/default/files/Defending%20the%20Undefendable_2.pdf
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jn2VIl )
BingoBoingo: Really the best insulation in bitcoin is a sense of history
felipelalli: what do you mean with "insulation" in this context?
felipelalli: chap III 6. The Blackmailer. Nice chapter. You read crying.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34750 @ 0.00027923 = 9.7032 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: felipelalli: That healthy sense of skepticism that keeps pirateat40 from replaying over and over on the same scale
felipelalli: BingoBoingo: yes. it's true.
felipelalli: 4:20 AM here, good night BingoBoingo! Thanks for conversation.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00027794 = 1.8205 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: k, later
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-04-2015#1091654 <<< should've suggested swordfish if ya gonna troll :P
assbot: Logged on 08-04-2015 02:11:53; TomServo: mircea_popescu: ever seen Sneakers?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7593 @ 0.00027794 = 2.1104 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19653 @ 0.00027955 = 5.494 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32627 @ 0.00027761 = 9.0576 BTC [-] {3}
kakobrekla: http://i.imgur.com/vruzm.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1PiKfhk )
mircea_popescu: lol
cazalla: this million dollar extreme dude has some funny shit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWFaG_7RySI
assbot: Gutta Man (Sam Hyde) stand-up, May 2nd, 2013 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PiKPeN )
mircea_popescu: is he trying to sound like drexl ?
cazalla: dunno who that is, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14jqZ-bVx3c
assbot: Williamsburg Street Fashion ☠ 1 of 3 ☠ "Emmm..." - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JnfmE8 )
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDJ8ocSN5GE
assbot: True Romance Gary Oldman Drexl HD - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jnfq6I )
cazalla: mircea_popescu, good movie? might treck down to the video shop and hire it out
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00027027 = 7.3513 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5073 @ 0.00027034 = 1.3714 BTC [+]
funkenstein_: gamechanger or vaporware?
funkenstein_: http://lightning.network/lightning-network-paper-DRAFT-0.5.pdf
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1c7sxy4 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00027348 = 2.434 BTC [+] {2}
funkenstein_: !s beautyon
assbot: 64 results for 'beautyon' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=beautyon
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00028535 = 3.2815 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14977 @ 0.00027307 = 4.0898 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00027203 = 4.7061 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00026445 = 3.2395 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37500 @ 0.00027136 = 10.176 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35200 @ 0.00026369 = 9.2819 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00027824 = 6.316 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: lel
nubbins`: found WC's house
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36103 @ 0.00026258 = 9.4799 BTC [-] {4}
nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/BCR5p09.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DJ1RzX )
nubbins`: ^ from the realtor who sold the house 2 years ago ;0
punkman: heh
nubbins`: the fact that the realtor still has videos of the inside of the home on youtube is a separate matter, but...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92927 @ 0.00025845 = 24.017 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39699 @ 0.00027659 = 10.9803 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: wow, guy paid less than $30k for his house.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00026512 = 6.0978 BTC [-]
nubbins`: okay, and now i've got his name, his wife's name, and his company's name
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100436 @ 0.00027753 = 27.874 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11414 @ 0.00028114 = 3.2089 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32156 @ 0.00027031 = 8.6921 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15370 @ 0.00027117 = 4.1679 BTC [+] {2}
lobbes: <nubbins'> okay, and now i've got his name, his wife's name, and his company's name << once you chomp down on a scammer, you don't let go, do you? ;/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34804 @ 0.00027123 = 9.4399 BTC [+] {2}
mats: make a few c.o.d. purchase orders for office supplies
punkman: send him a piece of driftwood
nubbins`: lobbes guy threatened to do unspecified things to me, what else am i to do?
nubbins`: anyway i'm pretty sure the house is owned by his parents or in-laws
nubbins`: either that or the guy is in his mid 70s
nubbins`: but yeah. deeds dating back to the early 80s for this property
nubbins`: all the way up to feb 2014
nubbins`: i wonder if he's a licensed breeder for those purebred cats he's selling?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13385 @ 0.00025862 = 3.4616 BTC [-] {2}
mats: https://syscan.org/index.php/download SyScan 2015 slides
assbot: SyScan :: Download Section ... ( http://bit.ly/1yVrvtL )
lobbes: <nubbins'> lobbes guy threatened to do unspecified things to me << O.o Link in the logs? This guy sounds like a full-time scammzor (with the 'miner group buy' scam, et al). Plenty of sustenance in that forum, too
lobbes: i wonder if he's a licensed breeder for those purebred cats he's selling? << prolly just uses lathe on cats he finds on the street
nubbins`: haha
nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1011340.msg11016307#msg11016307
assbot: [2015-04-03] The 5,000Btc hidden treasure, and the key to finding it. ... ( http://bit.ly/1N9mfyp )
punkman: "Within 5 minutes of you starting in with your shit i had people messaging me your address in Canada, Your phone number, the address for your print shop, more information than anyone would want someone like me to know if they wated to start shit, its very clear that you have pissed a lot of people off in the past with this shit you pull as they all came rushing in to DOX the fuck out of you, and i am just asshole enough to make use of i
punkman: "How many pizzas do you think i can have delivered to you at home and work, how long do you think i can tie up your phone with robo dial, ever heard of swatting? " << this guy...
punkman: did anyone ever get swatted in canada?
mats: canada has swat?
danielpbarron: someone from -otc sent me a pizza once; just so happened to be the same day as my weekly poker game so i just paid for it
mats: so helpful
Chillum: punkman: No "swat" but I have had a battering ram knock in my door and cops with shields and guns rush in. They have a different name
Chillum: it was a misunderstanding, I was acquitted
nubbins`: punkman my full mailing address is already on the forums
nubbins`: so i don't know what the guy's bragging about :P
nubbins` makes no effort to hide personal info
nubbins`: also, given the number of times i've called the cops on shady dealings in my neighbourhood, i've got my doubts that any cop would do anthing to my door beyond politely knocking on it
nubbins`: but hey, we can all dream
nubbins`: https://www.etsy.com/ca/shop/BruceWayneWoodArtist
assbot: Wooden Creations By Artist Bruce Wayne by BruceWayneWoodArtist ... ( http://bit.ly/1IsIMD3 )
nubbins`: lel
danielpbarron: !ud bruce wayne
danielpbarron: ;;ud bruce wayne
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bruce+Wayne | Residing in Gotham City, billionaire Bruce Wayne is a well respected socialite, philanthropist, and owner of the multinational conglomerate, Wayne Enterprises.
Chillum: sounds like a nice guy
nubbins`: yeah
nubbins`: anyway, got a solid bead on the guy now. found the construction company he started in NY in 2010
nubbins`: he says he's ordering dinner for me, which is thrilling
mats: report the etsy store
mats: obv not 'hand carved'
mats: https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/04/06/to-catch-a-spy-biometrics-cia-border-security/ lol
fluffypony: nubbins` is an alt of BadBear?
fluffypony: this guy is reaching
nubbins` shrugs helplessly
fluffypony: I wonder if I can fake a pic of the 1000 coins
fluffypony: and claim I found them
nubbins`: hmm
nubbins`: i would actually like this
nubbins`: blockchain analysis says this didn't happen, but w/e
mats: ;;seen kakobrekla
gribble: kakobrekla was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 7 hours, 51 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <kakobrekla> http://i.imgur.com/vruzm.gif
nubbins`: i hope WC orders me a good type of pizza
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 381 @ 0.00277787 = 1.0584 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 371 @ 0.00273 = 1.0128 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 388 @ 0.00273265 = 1.0603 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 390 @ 0.00273265 = 1.0657 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 518 @ 0.00271505 = 1.4064 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 390 @ 0.00273265 = 1.0657 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.0002593 = 2.5411 BTC [+]
mod6: <kakobrekla> http://i.imgur.com/vruzm.gif << haha
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1PiKfhk )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00026303 = 2.7618 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 474 @ 0.00279282 = 1.3238 BTC [+] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 412 @ 0.00280484 = 1.1556 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 835 @ 0.00282564 = 2.3594 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 431 @ 0.00284088 = 1.2244 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5481 @ 0.00026303 = 1.4417 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19250 @ 0.00026303 = 5.0633 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4514 @ 0.00026303 = 1.1873 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24550 @ 0.00026502 = 6.5062 BTC [+] {2}
mats: https://cansecwest.com/csw15archive.html
assbot: CanSecWest Applied Security Conference: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada ... ( http://bit.ly/1a68kHp )
mats: https://cansecwest.com/slides/2015/SCADASL%20-%20root%20via%20sms%20CanSec%20v4%20last.pptx
mats: ^ 'Bootkit via SMS: 4G access level security assessment'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35400 @ 0.00025647 = 9.079 BTC [-] {3}
nubbins`: SSD showed up
nubbins`: purple pogos still in ontario ;/
nubbins`: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/31vl7q/there_is_a_targeted_attack_on_bitcoin_occurring/cq5h23e
assbot: TotesMessenger comments on There is a targeted attack on Bitcoin occurring right now, coordinated by national agencies. I know this because I am an insider with prior involvement in a key operation. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PknucE )
punkman: http://www.rinsedaily.com/drexel-university-professor-sends-anal-bead-porno-to-class/
assbot: Drexel University Professor Sends Anal Bead Porno to Class ... ( http://bit.ly/1a6avKM )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7694 @ 0.00025393 = 1.9537 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14936 @ 0.00026631 = 3.9776 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://dpaste.com/22CZGG0 << mirror of the (since censored) reddit turd
assbot: dpaste: 22CZGG0: mirror of crud ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pks0rT )
lobbes: "DISRUPT - Divide community consensus and steer towards Operational and COMMAND objectives by means of standard counter-actor and sabotage procedures."
ascii_field: it's a snore.
ascii_field: reddit users: does it have to be a moderator who deletes a piece, to result in the '[removed]' label?
ascii_field: or can user do it himself.
lobbes: I believe a user can remove his own, though I'm not sure if that results in the [removed] label
ascii_field: afaik it does not.
lobbes: I think you are correct. I just did a quick test; no [removed] flag. Just disappears from the page. Going to the url just displays the 'by [deleted]' flag
lobbes: looks to be censored
ascii_field: or 'censored'
ben_vulpes: who's on the qntra /reddit as usg mouthpiece/ beat?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3764 @ 0.00026954 = 1.0145 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9955 @ 0.00025522 = 2.5407 BTC [-]
fluffypony: I just got a spam mail
fluffypony: from Coinbase
fluffypony: "Want to become a professional investor? Our first short-term investment program starts today - GET 150% FOR A 10-DAY DEPOSIT."
fluffypony: "Investors who want to apply, please make a deposit to 12imkbv4SzUJ3tdWT9j2yfuGirrsHoMDso or click the link below https://blockchain.info/qr?data=12imkbv4SzUJ3tdWT9j2yfuGirrsHoMDso&size=400"
fluffypony: here's the odd thing
fluffypony: Received: from o1.em.coinbase.com (o1.em.coinbase.com. [50.31.37.137])
fluffypony: by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w20si10513481icc.3.2015.04.08.12.32.35
fluffypony: for <ric@spagni.net>
fluffypony: and it has a valid DKIM signature
fluffypony: "em.coinbase.com designates 50.31.37.137 as permitted sender"
fluffypony: (appears to be a sendgrid.net mail)
fluffypony: so I think CoinBase's SendGrid account has been compromised?
ben_vulpes: cavirtex acquired by coinsetter
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: wait, in this lalaland of imaginary imaginations the newspapers acquire the failed banks ?
ben_vulpes: your symbol table's borked
mircea_popescu: oh, i see, because they have no btc, all they have is "mindshare", and in respect to that pseudo-capital coinsetter is better capitalised than cavirtex ?
mircea_popescu: mostly because coinsetter thinks it can print ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes which one am i confusing ?
ben_vulpes: newspapers?
ben_vulpes: sure, coinsetter's not liked around here but grok i not how 'tis a newspaper.
mircea_popescu: what is it, iyo ?
mircea_popescu: an "information aggregator" ?
ben_vulpes: http://www.coinsetter.com << that
assbot: Trade Securely on Wall Street's Bitcoin Exchange - Coinsetter ... ( http://bit.ly/1aL5AjK )
mircea_popescu: dude i swear there was a different coinsetter that was trying to be a sort of coindeks
ben_vulpes: integrity check to mircea_popescu's symbol table please
mircea_popescu: !s coinsetter
assbot: 14 results for 'coinsetter' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=coinsetter
mircea_popescu: Jaron Lukasiewicz Bitcoin CEO/Founder o.O
ben_vulpes: they may have some slave in the third world cranking aggregation on their blog, perhaps that's what's got you spun.
mircea_popescu shrugs.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-04-2013#7424
assbot: Logged on 30-04-2013 01:55:22; mjr___: kakobrekla: "The skateboard ride to Saks today was a little rough, but the skateboard back was great!" I am not joking that is the latest status update from coinsetter CEO...he's a nice guy
mircea_popescu: i dunno why they were filed under "just another subreddit" but w/e.
mircea_popescu: it honestly doth not seem so very mistaken upon review.
mircea_popescu: the angel list thing they got is a tad lulzy. ( https://angel.co/coinsetter )
assbot: Coinsetter | AngelList ... ( http://bit.ly/1CpI6X4 )
mircea_popescu: Ben Davenport
mircea_popescu: Co-founder & CPO at @BitGo. Co-founder of @Beluga. Running Bitcoin syndicate on AngelList.
mircea_popescu: Timothy Bhattacharyya MD
mircea_popescu: “
mircea_popescu: I believe in markets and trading to increase the wealth of the world."
mircea_popescu: an' Charles DiMaggio. an' silbert, of course.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11050 @ 0.00025472 = 2.8147 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: trinque http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1091054 << wtf happened here ?!
assbot: Logged on 07-04-2015 15:20:37; deedbot-: accepted: 2
mircea_popescu: oh nm got bundled with later thing.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: heap fragging in bitcoind.
mircea_popescu: no ?
ascii_field: almost certainly yes.
mircea_popescu: definitely yes.
mircea_popescu: it's been danced around with all sorts of patches and whatnot, but multiple ddos avenues related to fragmentation.
ascii_field: anyone mention it before i just now ?
mircea_popescu: i know bitcoinj ran into it plentifully.
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 246.0, Best ask: 246.01, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 246.01, 24 hour volume: 38386.95711616, 24 hour low: 242.72, 24 hour high: 256.4, 24 hour vwap: None
mircea_popescu: ascii_field part of the problem is that you're stuck mushing together items that can arbitrarily be anything between 100 bytes and whatever, 250kb. and there's a lot of them. no way to allocate but dynamically, willy-nilly keep getting them allocated and deallocated and again and again.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i know what heap fragging is
mircea_popescu: no, i just mean, with bitcoin is to some degree unavoidalbe, because txn.
ascii_field: entirely avoidable if one plans for it
mircea_popescu: yeah well.
ascii_field: typically this is handled with custom 'multi-generational' allocator
mircea_popescu: yes but it's worse than that : if you have an elegant alocator and the people do not, your chain will fork and theirs will not.
mircea_popescu: this is one of those places where bug to bug compatibility rears it's ugly butt.
jurov: what part of buttcoin depends on memory allocation?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: if allocator leads to fork, it is wrong
mircea_popescu: kinda why idiots (and by that i mean satoshi) shouldn't be allowed to code in the first place. but hey, we believe in the power of belief...
mircea_popescu: ascii_field it will construct and mine a block that makes everyone else crash, conceivably.
mircea_popescu: and subtly, to boot.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: a proper 1m block should never be able to 'make everyone crash'
jurov: even improper
ascii_field: if such a thing could, then bitcoin is buggy and the sooner it is detonated, the better
mircea_popescu: i am atm not sure it couldn't.
mircea_popescu: in fact, this has happened (not due to the heap issue, true)
ascii_field: the bdb thng ?
mircea_popescu: yes the locks thing
mircea_popescu: note very similar issue : exhausted locks, exhausted heap...
ascii_field: it was an epic lameness and a number of folks ought to have felt the stake
mircea_popescu: yeah well. let me propose something for you here. just for curiosity's sake, a rough model.
mircea_popescu: so i broadcast 50k 140 byte txn. you allocate these, they fail, you deallocate them. before you had time to go through the lot however,
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> dude i swear there was a different coinsetter that was trying to be a sort of coindeks << I constantly run into new ventures that imagine they are qntra competitors
mircea_popescu: i also broadcast 50k 150 byte txn. these go in your pile, and on fresh memory.
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: by the time you're entirely exhausted, i broadcast some more txn and mine a block with them.
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> who's on the qntra /reddit as usg mouthpiece/ beat? << There is a trilema post tracking this phenomenon, but if you want to elevate it to a sustained operation go for it.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: this in fact happens 'in the wild.' the only reason it does not lead to forks where folks with, e.g., 1GB of ram wheel off into a parallel universe from folks with 2GB, and 4GB, etc. is,
ascii_field: that the fragging issue itself results in ludicrously overpowered boxes being put to use
mircea_popescu: that everyone uses about as much ram ?
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: but it remains a problem, this.
ascii_field: where the garbage has time to coalesce
mircea_popescu: note that this is one of the majorest issues lurking in the "larger blocks"
mircea_popescu: currently the 1mb limit is blessfully keeping THIS (among its many sisters) under the water.
mircea_popescu: that gavin [pretends like he] doesn't know such is exactly why the verbiage as to the retarded boy in one of my articles debunking the nonsense.
jurov: i don't see the issue why that would lead to fork per se.
jurov: you just flush the disk cache by your misallocations and then take longer to verify the block
mircea_popescu: but do you mathematically see the proof where it never would ?
mircea_popescu: different standards here.
mircea_popescu: in general, going by the "never one single bug in kitchen, and noting that bdb locks are a resource of the kind that pointers are, just one easier to exhaust, i propose this as likely, on the basis of my business heuristics.
mircea_popescu: which obviously differ from your coder heuristics. but differ to our benefit.
jurov: bdb is much more coplicated and hard to debug api than malloc/free
mircea_popescu: every word is complicated for whosoever doesn't read.
mircea_popescu: and the bitcoind allocation scheme isn't a jewel or anything.
ascii_field: 'isn't a jewel' << mega-understatement of the century
jurov: nothing is a jewel here
mircea_popescu: fuck you, i'm a jewel.
jurov: yea, like you never make mistakes
mircea_popescu: no, like a jew.
mircea_popescu: only with -el.
ascii_field: like sapper.
ascii_field: sappers get to make their one mistake.
ascii_field: at any rate, this gedankenexperiment is an interesting one - where does 'bug for bug compatibility' legitimately stop? are we obligated to crash for 1GB of uncoalesceable crud, or 2GB? 4? 16?
mircea_popescu: this afaik has never been seriously measured
mircea_popescu: we don't care atm, because we know experimentally the system as deployed is stable.
ascii_field: didn't say that it was (except that it - was, i measured)
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, before any sort of change, like say a block size increase, this will have to be measured
mircea_popescu: among many other things
ascii_field: more high-level dilemma here
mircea_popescu: not among which, the opnion of reddit, the headers of miners etc.
ascii_field: at what point do 'we' get to proclaim that folks using the buggy version are retarded ?
mircea_popescu: not how this is handled.
mircea_popescu: we explain the problem, publish the measuring tools, let people declare themselves retarded.
ascii_field has no idea how, or even whether, this is handled.
mircea_popescu: once enough do... problem solved.
mircea_popescu: before... we wait.
mircea_popescu: like i've been waiting, on many things, for many years.
ascii_field: and until then, what? we are required to leak at the same rate as which extant bitcoind?
ascii_field: gavin's?
ascii_field: the java turd ?
mircea_popescu: until then, we hang out in irc.
ascii_field: we don't even know for a fact what it is the miners use..
mircea_popescu: and say yes and no as people ask and wonder.
mircea_popescu: as teh expression goes, "relax, you have plenty of time. tomorrow - you die."
ascii_field: to continue with the line of thought, as soon as we so much as frag less than gavin's turd, someone - anyone - could send us off on a fork of less-retardation.
ascii_field: simply by churning out 'godelian' blocks for gavincoin
mircea_popescu: maybe. it's a complicated thing.
nubbins`: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/31umjo/3m_video_are_intel_processors_compromised/
assbot: 3m video "are Intel processors compromised?" #welcometorealpolitics #bitcoin : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1amuUff )
nubbins`: man, reddit's taking a page from the book of alf today o.O
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4939 @ 0.00025223 = 1.2458 BTC [-]
ascii_field: snore.
ascii_field: http://danluu.com/cpu-backdoors << not the first time a usg shill spins amd's lack of encipherment or signature enforcement on microcode updates as a weakness
assbot: CPU backdoors ... ( http://bit.ly/1amwkq8 )
ascii_field: 'oh noez non-crippled hardware, someone other than usg could modify it'
punkman: AMD's "management engine" equivalent is also bad, isn't it though
ascii_field: punkman: not mandatory
ascii_field: or, another instance of this idiocy,
ascii_field: at one time there was much crowing re: a 'xilinx fpga backdoor'
ascii_field: turned out, it was possible to read back the bitstream from a 'locked' unit
ascii_field: 'oh noez, the chip is auditable when we don't want it to be! boobytrap!'
ascii_field: and a few microcontrollers, ditto
ascii_field: in every single case, it was a 'oh noez this is accidentally auditable'
ascii_field: oh noez the user is not caged properly! there are a few loose bars!
punkman: ascii_field: not mandatory, as in I can get a motherboard without it?
ascii_field: pathetic buggers, doing the one and only thing they are good at - 'spinning the controversy'
ascii_field: punkman: yes.
ascii_field: punkman: for how long - cannot say
punkman: guess I'll have to look into that
punkman: any part numbers you'd recommend?
ascii_field: punkman: i'm partial to older 'tyan' boards
ascii_field: (e.g. 'thunder' series, '07 and prior)
mircea_popescu: ascii_field have you seen the recent "gamer desktops" recommendations btw ? nothing but intel.
mircea_popescu: "it's better"
mircea_popescu: yeah, im sure it is lawl.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i must confess that it is not a subject i regularly follow.
mircea_popescu: nor i, but since ima play eulora...
ascii_field: but i will point out that it has become -nearly- impossible to assemble a proper workstation without recourse to 'antiques' vendors
ascii_field: and among portable computers, amd is extinct other than in 'disposable' models
mircea_popescu: seems teh usg-consensus pretty much is to make amd extinct.
punkman spies old Athlon cartridge on bookshelf
jurov: lolwut, eulora will need recent hardware?
ascii_field: jurov: iirc it uses 3d graphics...
ascii_field actually does not own a 3d card
ascii_field: believe or not.
jurov: 3d as needed by eulora is here... 10years or so?
mircea_popescu: jurov just about yeah
mircea_popescu: it's not very demanding.
mircea_popescu: punkman wasn't the "management engine" an intel thing ?
punkman: mircea_popescu: AMD has an equivalent
ascii_field: it does.
punkman: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/14/amd_plugs_chip_firmware_holes/
assbot: AMD plugs firmware holes that allowed command injection • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1amB1jF )
punkman: I think I linked that video before
mircea_popescu: im not disputing that, just, what was it called.
punkman: System Management Unit (SMU)
mircea_popescu: ah yes
mircea_popescu: other one was ame or ami or something
punkman: AMT?
mircea_popescu: somethng like that
punkman: let's just call it CANCR
BingoBoingo: Back in college the phrasing to trigger a smoke break was "Do you think you can handle a cigarette now?" "I think I Can, Sir."
mats: http://www.amazon.com/What-Makes-It-Page-Windows/dp/1479114294 << this is excellent, for those that feel compelled to learn about windows 7
assbot: What Makes It Page?: The Windows 7 (x64) Virtual Memory Manager: Enrico Martignetti: 9781479114290: Amazon.com: Books ... ( http://bit.ly/1amFHWN )
ascii_field: mats: yes it is!
mats: finally got myself a hard copy after some searching of the interwebs. nobody has bothered to warez, yet...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25539 @ 0.00025467 = 6.504 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=846852.msg9447582#msg9447582
assbot: [WTB] Exotic woods from around the world with Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1amFYcf )
nubbins`: ^ here's where woodcollector agrees to make the "$14,000 wooden B" for... 1 btc.
nubbins`: so there's yr answer i guess
nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=846852.msg9450425#msg9450425
assbot: [WTB] Exotic woods from around the world with Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1amGarP )
nubbins`: "just keep it $200 - $400 range and impress me."
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16692 @ 0.00025522 = 4.2601 BTC [+]
jurov: obama should ask him for $1T wooden bitcoin next time he's got probs with fed
fluffypony: lol
fluffypony: Obama should just find the secret case
nubbins`: ^^^^^^^^^^^^
nubbins`: also, he never ordered supper for me like he said he would >:(
mats: youtube.com/watch?v=zvImG-0uIX4
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29550 @ 0.00027389 = 8.0934 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Solaris 12 moving to pf as default/only firewall https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=142822852613581&w=2
assbot: 'pfi_kif leaks for PBR rules' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1amJGT3 )
mircea_popescu: who even runs solaris anymore.
mircea_popescu: ;;google ebay assus m5a78l
gribble: Asus M5A78L-M/USB3 | eBay: <http://www.ebay.co.uk/bhp/asus-m5a78l-m-usb3>; AMD X8 Core FX-8350 4.0Ghz & ASUS M5A78L-M USB3 ... - eBay: <http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AMD-X8-Core-FX-8350-4-0Ghz-ASUS-M5A78L-M-USB3-Board-CPU-Bundle-/150946558067>; ASUS M5A78L-M/USB3 Socket AM3+ AMD mATX Motherboard - eBay: <http://www.ebay.com/itm/ASUS-M5A78L-M-USB3-Socket-AM3-AMD-mATX- (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Probably jsut a handful of "businesses" that found themselved locked in
mircea_popescu: hmm so the ~90 i paid for it isn't really THAT outrageous.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57689 @ 0.00025817 = 14.8936 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13746 @ 0.00025086 = 3.4483 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-04-2015#1092078 << how much would you want someone to pay for a house in fuckbuckett.
assbot: Logged on 08-04-2015 12:28:32; nubbins`: wow, guy paid less than $30k for his house.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-04-2015#1092088 << best.
assbot: Logged on 08-04-2015 14:03:00; punkman: send him a piece of driftwood
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-04-2015#1092094 << you don't have to be licensed if you handbreed them.
assbot: Logged on 08-04-2015 14:07:48; nubbins`: i wonder if he's a licensed breeder for those purebred cats he's selling?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-04-2015#1092107 << internet toughboi sends many pizzas (=9) to house of his archenemy that doesn't even know about it just as archenemy (that doesn't know about it) was having random party. arrives just in time, everyone's happy.
assbot: Logged on 08-04-2015 14:55:01; danielpbarron: someone from -otc sent me a pizza once; just so happened to be the same day as my weekly poker game so i just paid for it
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-04-2015#1092110 << lol wait, you were acquitted of police breaking and entering ?
assbot: Logged on 08-04-2015 15:04:18; Chillum: it was a misunderstanding, I was acquitted
mircea_popescu: "your honor, this man is totally innocent of what the police did to his house."
mircea_popescu: holy shit this guy is ALSO bruce w ?
mircea_popescu: what is with this name.
lobbes: everybody wants to be batman, I guess
mircea_popescu: https://www.etsy.com/ca/listing/226944173/large-wenge-purpleheart-hand-turned-wood?ref=pr_shop << i coulda sworn i saw this somewhere before.
assbot: Large Wenge & Purpleheart Hand Turned Wood by BruceWayneWoodArtist ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7BylC )
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-04-2015#1092172 << another mirror -> https://archive.today/http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/31vl7q/there_is_a_targeted_attack_on_bitcoin_occurring/
assbot: Logged on 08-04-2015 18:48:06; ascii_field: http://dpaste.com/22CZGG0 << mirror of the (since censored) reddit turd
assbot: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/31vl7q/there_is_a_targeted_attack_on_bitcoin_occurring/: There is a targeted attack on Bitcoin occurring right now, coordinated by national agencies. I know this because I am an insider with prior involvement in a key operation. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7C1V1 )
jurov: anyone can explain to me why the reddit turd is considered seriously here?
jurov: please?
BingoBoingo: jurov: I've got nothing.
jurov: i get nothing, too :D
mats: slow day.
mats: http://i.imgur.com/O5rYZZS.gifv
assbot: Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1CWoKMT )
mircea_popescu: jurov i think peeps be trolling
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, i have nfi why they don't use cocoa powder to disperse crowds.
mircea_popescu: grind that shit fine enough, throw it in the air...
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> speaking of which, i have nfi why they don't use cocoa powder to disperse crowds. << You just end up with a different crowd with a heavier category of people
mod6: "in fuckbuckett." lol
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nah, you ever seen what happens if you accidentally a bag ?
jurov: i'd like to try stevia sometime. it is already available in fine powder
mircea_popescu: can't fucking breathe.
jurov: or a combiantion
mircea_popescu: jurov "PDFs/PPTs or it didn't happen." was pretty good...
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo nah, you ever seen what happens if you accidentally a bag ? << I get the most delicous coffing fits.
mircea_popescu: right ?
mircea_popescu: i mean people would come with their freshly baked cookies for a dusting...
mircea_popescu: just changes the shape of the crowd.
jurov: crowdshaping
BingoBoingo: Fuck, grandpa had a stroke Friday and he's already back to walking around normally. The only thing that seems to have changed is he actually takes his blood pressure medicine.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40350 @ 0.00025959 = 10.4745 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Only only hope that if I make it to 90 I can be that durable.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00026302 = 4.4187 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: depends on how you eat.
BingoBoingo: I guess I better get a hold of meals on wheels
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-04-2015#1092133 << sounds roughly worth the lulz
assbot: Logged on 08-04-2015 16:15:40; fluffypony: and claim I found them
TomServo: cazalla: should've suggested swordfish if ya gonna troll :P << shit, I was serious. I must be using my rose-tinted glasses on this one. I'mma have to rewatch this now.
mircea_popescu: so are we gonna call teh usg ops "tiki taka" ? seems adequately derpy...
mircea_popescu: "oh we shall send people in #bitcoin-assets as per standard counter-actor and sabotage procedures to be made within hours and laughed at all the way to the front desk."
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-04-2015#1092189 << apparently no investors ?
assbot: Logged on 08-04-2015 19:36:57; fluffypony: "Investors who want to apply, please make a deposit to 12imkbv4SzUJ3tdWT9j2yfuGirrsHoMDso or click the link below https://blockchain.info/qr?data=12imkbv4SzUJ3tdWT9j2yfuGirrsHoMDso&size=400"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-04-2015#1092197 << either that or they've been spamming since forever as business / usual.
assbot: Logged on 08-04-2015 19:38:27; fluffypony: so I think CoinBase's SendGrid account has been compromised?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you care enough about coinbase to write up this latest lulz ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I haven't been up long enough to get good sourcing on it. If someone else want to write it up I'd check and publish it.
BingoBoingo: fluffypony ^
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46500 @ 0.00025634 = 11.9198 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: lol https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/31wjt7/coinbase_scam_email_alert/cq5nbch
assbot: cqm comments on *****COINBASE SCAM EMAIL ALERT***** ... ( http://bit.ly/1y6evGJ )
danielpbarron: Please note: Initial deposit amounts exceeding +30 bitcoin will qualify your membership for a 2nd level upgrade. << MPEx sets the standard
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22319 @ 0.00025219 = 5.6286 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: You want to write this one up?
danielpbarron: sure
mircea_popescu: 30 btc is best btc
mircea_popescu: similarly, spanked butt is best butt. http://33.media.tumblr.com/7882bb358d5116b7b174d97672357532/tumblr_nfllfsaep11sjegrpo1_400.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1y6gbQu )
BingoBoingo: What about baseball butt? http://i.gifeye.com/13487.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1y6gr21 )
mircea_popescu: basebutt is largest butt.
mircea_popescu: see, best, largest... first butt missing.
mircea_popescu: will 2nd lt 1st butt report for complety!
BingoBoingo: But she's stealling 3rd Butt.
mircea_popescu: hahaha
mircea_popescu: !b 8
assbot: Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1SBNZ7D.txt )
BingoBoingo: !up indiancandy1
indiancandy1: hi boys n girls
mircea_popescu: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/ uh dead ?
mircea_popescu: how goes indiancandy1
indiancandy1: im good
indiancandy1: in bed relaxing
indiancandy1: you
mircea_popescu: nothing much. digesting.
BingoBoingo: in chair, unlaxing
mircea_popescu: nge3IShb
indiancandy1: nge?
mircea_popescu: meh there goes this kbd
mircea_popescu: a hey, not so bad.
indiancandy1: who
indiancandy1: mp
indiancandy1: hows u bby
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 244.55, vol: 11594.32792055 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 243.326, vol: 7726.90295 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 244.91, vol: 39772.9444729 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 243.329788, vol: 128921.67480000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 249.45692, vol: 13.68792084 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 253.077009989, vol: 133.44500285 | Volume-weighted last average: 243.746195825
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: <http://www.arpc.afrc.af.mil/News/ArticleDisplay/tabid/267/Article/583614/polar-growl-strengthens-allied-interoperability-bomber-navigation-skills.aspx>
BingoBoingo: O.o
BingoBoingo: !up _flow_
indiancandy1: hiiiiiiii
indiancandy1: talk
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45050 @ 0.00025061 = 11.29 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/cb/b9/e6/cbb9e63c8ed86df314997771fe2114c0.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1y6j7wr )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: any mention in any of these of the -actual reason- for the exercise ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it so happens that there is one
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I've no seen any reason other than "pissing contest"
asciilifeform: yes but no mention of the second pisser
asciilifeform: http://www.uralinform.ru/news/society/228787-rossiya-vybrosila-voennyi-desant-na-severnyi-polyus
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1y6jHdG )
asciilifeform: ^ not the most detailed piece but there are many
asciilifeform: ru parachutists land on a drifting ice sheet, 100km from the pole, in full gear; build camp with self-contained systems, mains power, heat, etc. at -50c.
asciilifeform: this sequence of events being a historic first, afaik.
BingoBoingo: Aha, Russians took over Krampus's village
asciilifeform: 50 tonnes of provisions dropped
asciilifeform discovers, to no surprise, that the film clips of this event have been deleted from youtube.
asciilifeform: i will add that they did this same exercise last year at exactly this time.
asciilifeform: http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201504060846-qsno.htm << film
assbot: Российский десант высадится на дрейфующую льдину у Северного полюса - Телеканал «Звезда» ... ( http://bit.ly/1y6kISS )
asciilifeform: or not.
asciilifeform: clip shows something entirely unrelated.
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LJ9W95Meys << appears to be proper
assbot: Десант на Северный полюс. 8 апреля 2015 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1y6l8J3 )
TomServo is the proud owner of 'adulterated' pogo.
TomServo: Now to figure out these u-bout and buildroot things.
TomServo: boot*
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80376 @ 0.00025024 = 20.1133 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00024978 = 4.4211 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: TomServo: have you accomplished netconsole yet?
asciilifeform just bought 10 more
ben_vulpes: bitcoinrpg -> control the network quest -> bitcoind quest (now apparently depends on buildroot quest, which depends on gentoo quest, so may as well pogoquest as well)
BingoBoingo: http://www.dailyegyptian.com/news/article_2bea4122-dc69-11e4-81a5-bb4948f90ef2.html << multi lol
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cie9cn )
ben_vulpes: man
ben_vulpes: i need a fucking quest tree to keep track of all this shit
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: at some point they will rediscover traditional eunuch-making.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Like with executions I imagine they will try to put a medical veneer on it.
TomServo: ben_vulpes: sorry, had to reference danielpbarron's docs.. you're referring to enabling SSH access?
ben_vulpes: no, the part where pogo boots and then attaches to a nc instance running on your host machine
ben_vulpes: TomServo: ^^
TomServo: Negative... I enabled SSH and waited for my USB>TTY convertors to arrive
ben_vulpes: TomServo: oh, you've actually cracked the case and everything?
ben_vulpes: so intrepid
TomServo: heh, I guess? Seems like an awful way to learn soldering, I'll say that.
TomServo: I was surprised I got it working.
ben_vulpes: easy to do, hard to do well.
asciilifeform: everyone who has not yet done this, will quickly find that at least one pogo with serial port is necessary - if only for testing own build of uboot.
asciilifeform: a unit with defective 'uboot' can only be restored via serial port (xmodem)
asciilifeform: srsly it does not take a very long time to solder three wires.
asciilifeform: considerably less time than screwing with netcat.
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asciilifeform: you will also be able to see kernel messages as it boots
asciilifeform: (i do not know of any simple means to 'netcat' these. they come out of ttyS0, as the gods intended.)
asciilifeform: you will also be able to log in to a unit that is not running sshd or telnetd.
asciilifeform: in short, save the headache and do it. someone here did not even own a soldering iron, iirc, and bought one for the occasion, and did not regret.
TomServo: http://i.imgur.com/otRbvlr.jpg < my excited photo after learning it worked.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CigAff )
asciilifeform: wut
asciilifeform: aha
TomServo: huh?
asciilifeform: wasn't loading at first
asciilifeform: TomServo: you drilled the box, or what
TomServo: Couple snips of the plastic allowed me to poke the wires through.
asciilifeform: neato
TomServo: The ridges over the ventilation holes in the bottom.
asciilifeform: i barbarously screwed mine shut with the wires in.
asciilifeform: pinch doesn't make a difference at 115200 baud...
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu mega-liberasty-lol from obscure rat pit: http://catvalente.livejournal.com/690416.html
assbot: Rules for Anchorites - Holding the Hugos–and the English Language–Hostage for Fun and Profit ... ( http://bit.ly/1y6psYN )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
TomServo: asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/nz9De6B
assbot: Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1y6pwHY )
asciilifeform: TomServo: very clean!
asciilifeform: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2015/04/08/five-charts-that-may-soon-be-illegal-in-tanzania << preview of usa
assbot: Five charts that may soon be illegal in Tanzania - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1CiiCMl )
BingoBoingo: "Shockingly, only 27 percent of doctors could correctly diagnosis malaria with anemia, and 29 percent could correctly diagnose diarrhea with severe dehydration" << WTF
ben_vulpes: <mats> http://i.imgur.com/O5rYZZS.gifv << wahaha
assbot: Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1CikcOd )
ben_vulpes: cops are scawwy what with their failure to understand basic physics
asciilifeform: 'guardia civil' ?
ben_vulpes shrugs
ben_vulpes: third world nomenclature isn't really my thing.
asciilifeform: Tienen, por eso no lloran,
asciilifeform: de plomo las calaveras.
asciilifeform: Con el alma de charol
asciilifeform: vienen por la carretera... (g. garcia lorca)
BingoBoingo: lol
decimation: asciilifeform: actually I would posit that the us mostly has a 'Gendarmerie'
decimation: state police
decimation: and federales
BingoBoingo: Moar skulls!!!
ben_vulpes: decimation: don't cities operate their own police force?
asciilifeform: the local police handle most of the tedious everyday life
ben_vulpes: maybe this socialist utopia's the last holdout. federales have been leaning hard on them for cracking a few too many crackpot brainpans, and beating up on brown folks.
BingoBoingo: In my understanding outside of very large cities, grants tend to push local police toward the most tedious tasks
BingoBoingo: "Seatbelt laws"
decimation: after all it's not like the fbi can't come up with an excuse to arrest you if they wish
ben_vulpes: i accidentally a stop sign at oh 30 mph on my bike the other day, right in front of a copper.
decimation: re: wwiii > http://www.spacewar.com/reports/US_aerospace_command_moving_comms_gear_back_to_bunker_999.html < hilarity
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CildG5 )
ben_vulpes: thirty seconds later, "you know, i'm not the sort of guy to insist on a full foot-down stop from bikers at every stop sign. but DUDE! you came through that intersection at easily over 20 mph!"
ben_vulpes dodges entropy again
asciilifeform: decimation: l0l! i somehow missed that the mountain had been mothballed
decimation: usg paid $bil to hollow out mountain, then paid $$ to modernize it after 2001, then decided it was 'too small' in 2006 (apparently nukes weren't a concern anymore) and now has suddenly seen wisdom in moving back into the bunker
asciilifeform: it is an iconic landmark of usa
asciilifeform: probably more recognizable, among a certain public, than the white house.
asciilifeform: setting for, e.g., the film 'war games'
decimation: asciilifeform: you can imagine how it would cramp the style of a high ranking usg 'staffer' to report for duty inside a hole
decimation: it's amazing how the interests of the 'public at large' (even 'usg at large') can be usurped by some bureaucrat who likes a nice window office
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
BingoBoingo wonders what is being done with Yucca mountain since it hasn't been filled with rads
asciilifeform: decimation: cixi!
decimation: aye
asciilifeform proposes that this class of organism be from here on referred to as 'cixies' - pronounced like 'pixies'
decimation: but here's the thing: apparently even the nuclear defense/attack commanders have been 'cixi-ized'
asciilifeform: long ago.
decimation: in the late 50's and 60's the nuclear force was largely run by actual people, who had agendas that made sense
decimation: there are plenty of folks who are willing to pose with 'a hand on the captain's wheel'
asciilifeform: decimation: not especially many bureaucrats ever believed that the rockets would fly. the purpose of investments like this was to bankrupt ussr, by forcing response in kind
asciilifeform: when this was accomplished - there was no further investment
decimation: some of them, yes.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, decimation: 'cixi' << a reference to the dowager empress?
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: !s cixi
assbot: 4 results for 'cixi' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cixi
asciilifeform: the only reason she is remembered is for having banned railroad, because locomotive was 'too loud.'
ben_vulpes: and the analogue here is "holes are unpleasant"?
BingoBoingo: http://www.local10.com/news/bobcat-catches-shark-on-florida-beach/32237440 << Not a bobcat.
assbot: Bobcat catches shark on Florida beach | News - Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1CioaXd )
BingoBoingo: !up jitenm1
decimation: lol http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2015/04/08/reddit-ceo-ellen-pao-bans-salary-negotiations-to-equalize-pay/ "“Men negotiate harder than women do and sometimes women get penalized when they do negotiate,” she said. “So as part of our recruiting process we don’t negotiate with candidates.
assbot: Reddit CEO Ellen Pao Bans Salary Negotiations To Equalize Pay For Men, Women « CBS San Francisco ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cipbyi )
decimation: of course reddit doesn't even need to pay employees, what with having a vast reservoir of people who would gladly pay to work there
ben_vulpes: entirely transparent project to reduce hiring costs
mircea_popescu: !up jitenm1
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2014#888036 << history
assbot: Logged on 22-10-2014 15:45:04; othernubs`: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/10/20_a-summary-of-changes-to-bitcoin-since-0321.html#fnr.20 << thanks for this write up, this would def. need to be patched in. <<< agreed, great writeup, altho evidence seems to point to 0.6.3 being the right choice
ben_vulpes: jesus i will never live that squeeze thing down
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes best quest!
ben_vulpes: that was *october*
ben_vulpes: feels like a lifetime!
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2014#888209 << aaaah cute mats still had his keys back then
assbot: Logged on 22-10-2014 17:16:44; mats_cd03: this sounds like something i want to be involved in
danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, http://danielpbarron.com/qntra.asc.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DL3KMl )
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mircea_popescu: But in the spirit of thumbing one’s nose at government overreach, here’s a sampling of unofficial, but highly reputable statistics about Tanzania that might explain what’s going on.
mircea_popescu: 1. Only a third of children can read in English
mircea_popescu: Like many other African countries, Tanzania has made huge strides in expanding basic services like health and education. The primary school enrollment rate, for instance, is officially at 94%. But “unofficial” statistics suggest the quality of those services is often quite poor.
mircea_popescu: hey look at that. tanzanian kids read about as well as us kids.
mircea_popescu: except, of course, english is about as relevant to tanzania as korean to the us.
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ben_vulpes: trinque: i need those legacy deeds in deedbot.
mircea_popescu: decimation yea, i'm sure THAT's why they don't negotiate.
mircea_popescu: not because economy's dead and whoever has "investors" to connect them to the printing teat can simply dictate terms.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> entirely transparent project to reduce hiring costs << moar like, entirely transparent admission that "well, mp said he's killing us, we're as good as dead, might as well give up"
ben_vulpes: boss your penchant for recasting everything as a result of your own actions is endlessly amusing
trinque: ben_vulpes: alright, I'll put 'em in
ben_vulpes: apropos of nothing, what kind of retarded programming situation *even permits* for the bitcoin reward overflow bug in the first place?!
ben_vulpes: trinque: thanks man. there's a lot of rebel foundation stuff in there i need published again.
asciilifeform: ilkka kokkarinen, before being forced to choose between eating and blogging (tenure does not exist in canada?) had an interesting piece on the 'stages of progressivism'
trinque: ben_vulpes: no problemo; doin it now
asciilifeform: (1) was 'unthinkable' and (n) - i forget what n equaled - 'mandatory'
mircea_popescu: 3. The group is of the opinion that their work was being overlooked because of their politics, and that the Hugo ballots and winners of the last several years were only awarded due to leftist politics and the racial/sexual/gender identities of their authors, not quality. The tenor of the call to arms was explicitly and often resoundingly political–“this is your chance to hurt SJWs.” If you don’t know what an SJ
mircea_popescu: W is, I hope you’re enjoying your new computer. It stands for Social Justice Warrior, which to a normal person sounds like someone who fights for justice and cares about all human beings, and to conservatives like the devil himself. The implication that they then must support injustice seems to be lost.
ben_vulpes: trinque: thanks bae
mircea_popescu: bwahaha.
asciilifeform: the 'no negotiation' thing left stage-1 long ago, and is worming its way towards n
mircea_popescu: ah that's some top kek lj drama.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for extra plus lulz: i met this person in real life once.
mircea_popescu: really, opposing "social justice" implies one supports... injustice ? how about the obvious "social-anything is stupid, for many reasons we won't rehash, and never has anything to do with the vanilla version" ?
mircea_popescu: i guess THATs lost.
mircea_popescu: fat tranny ?
mircea_popescu: "4. None of this is strictly speaking against the rules. It’s unethical. It’s almost laughably petty and mean-spirited."
asciilifeform: female as far as i could determine
mircea_popescu: o wait. bitching at excellent scientists because they didn't say stupid-thing-x-about-our-aggenda is not laughably petty and outright idiotic.
mircea_popescu: social-thinking ftw.
asciilifeform: so the quick version is, english language science fiction -mostly- died long ago
mircea_popescu: ".And to an author of integrity, it’s a pointless act of bullying, because if you don’t compete against the best, an award is meaningless."
asciilifeform: when the civilization that it was an ornament on, had died
mircea_popescu: right. and brokeback mountain isn't an endless piece of meaningless cheese. because polarities.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform srsly, it never really existed.
asciilifeform: the remaining authors are largely 'wannebees' who wank themselves to sleep every night wishing for a 'minimum wage' income from their drivel;
asciilifeform: a select few - who were able to con someone into printing, and a somewhat larger set of others (friends, family, sex partners) into buying,
asciilifeform: get to earn approx. what a clerk earns, while doing this.
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> right. and brokeback mountain isn't an endless piece of meaningless cheese. because polarities. <<< in fairness, the book was under 100 pages
ben_vulpes: here's to the minimum wage and full employment!
nubbins`: ~65 iirc
mircea_popescu: The ballot looks ridiculous. John C. Wright has three nominations in the novella category and six overall, a record. The vast majority of the works are published by Castalia House, a Finnish micropublisher barely a year old and owned, I’m sure coincidentally, by Vox Day. Wisdom From My Internet, nominated in the Best Related Work category, is neither science fiction, nor, strictly speaking, a book, (Edit: many things
mircea_popescu: not books have been nominated in the category, let’s say it’s not an original work) but a collection of right-wing chain emails and one liners–which, among other works
ben_vulpes: may it drain the usg's coffers and drive her to hitherto unprecedented printing sprees.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` ^ exactly like that, but in the other stupid colors.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: you might be thinking of academics. the folks i was speaking of, don't get grantola.
asciilifeform: they work largely like 'amway' salesmen once did
nubbins`: <+ben_vulpes> boss your penchant for recasting everything as a result of your own actions is endlessly amusing <<< i came for the btc, stayed for the lels
asciilifeform: browbeating friends, family, colleagues, fucktoys - into 'pleeese buy!'
ben_vulpes: http://pussydestroyer.shithouse.tv/
assbot: pussydestroyer ... ( http://bit.ly/1anEIFH )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally - amway never took off in romania.
mircea_popescu: reason ? unattached youngish female begging people is usually offered a junior mistress arrangement.
nubbins`: <+asciilifeform> (tenure does not exist in canada?) <<< canada's like a miniature version of usa set back a few years.
decimation: I bet cultures that are largely 'peer to peer' are immune to 'multi-level marketing'
mircea_popescu: i suppose one needs the particular idiocies of the us for the particular forms of the us idiocy to manifest.
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: http://qntra.net/2015/04/coinbase-outgoing-email-hacked/
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didn't ro have its own national 'mmm' though ?
asciilifeform: what was it
asciilifeform: 'caritas' ?
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> <+ben_vulpes> boss your penchant for recasting everything as a result of your own actions is endlessly amusing <<< i came for the btc, stayed for the lels << hey, if obama can save the economy...
decimation: I was thinking in the sense that 'why should I buy from your dumbass amway when I already have a guy for that'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yup.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: you savvy "food stamps"?
mircea_popescu: decimation no, it's more like "why would a pretty girl like you go do this whorish stupid thing ?"
decimation: heh
decimation: in the us most of these schemes are 'sold
mircea_popescu: "do a proper whorish thing instead."
decimation: by old women
mircea_popescu: mostly tried with "students" in .ro
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: some of these people may or may not get various pensions, handouts, etc. mostly - not.
mircea_popescu: ie, the 17-29 demographic
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: in the case of the woman linked earlier, my understanding is that she is largely funded by husband - a swell chap, from ru, of approximately my age, whom i also met once.
ben_vulpes: wai wut woman?
ben_vulpes: surely i'm not that drunk yet i thought we were talking of ilka
trinque: punkman: hey dude, what's the encoding of the old deeds table's deed field?
mircea_popescu: shame on him for not beating hr.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the one who wrote the 'hugo awards' thing
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ilkka is/was a finnish chap
trinque: punkman: it's a blob with dunno what inside
nubbins`: i'm making breakfast cereal from scratch :o
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i was speaking of c. valente
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: that is what i thought!
asciilifeform: 1LLkNuQQ2GkS5DmQzsTxCmErUH8ew6dnDi from qntra << nothing but dust in there
mircea_popescu: nubbins` what did you scratch ?
asciilifeform: poor sc4mz0rz
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform was exactly 0 when first reported here.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu special sour yeast starter 8)
mircea_popescu: lol k
asciilifeform: i wonder how long until sp4mz0rz start simply posting addrs in commentspam
nubbins`: "have a scratch, then bake it; natch"
asciilifeform: to pick up the dust from idiots at noblis
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nubbins`: srs tho, been making cereal for about a month now. top yum
ben_vulpes: i already have my own poet, can't be arsed with more.
nubbins`: i may never buy honey shreddies again
nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8Fi46BFAF0
assbot: Nautical Disaster - Day for Night - The Tragically Hip - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1anGjvl )
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/3c458c5e5fd92a27ce76e51ed5c07a87/tumblr_nf9cygEhX31qetydwo6_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1anGnLv )
ben_vulpes: hey i did a shoot like that once!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: plot: poor gurl starved long enough, time to put out of misery
ben_vulpes: heh
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kinda bare...
ben_vulpes: failed to satisfy master while starving, time...
trinque: that prominent mons scared my weechat
ben_vulpes: trinque: "prominent mons" << hyu
asciilifeform: also terrible lack of even attempt at realism
nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1011340.msg11023214#msg11023214
assbot: [2015-04-03] The 5,000Btc hidden treasure, and the key to finding it. ... ( http://bit.ly/1anHdYE )
nubbins`: top kek
asciilifeform: pistolero one-handed, victim - ignores wide open space in front of cocked hammer
nubbins`: oh man.
nubbins`: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/31utl3/could_we_make_a_silk_road_for_medicine_where/
assbot: Could we make a "silk road for medicine", where users can buy not only medicine, but medical advice? Tipping for feedback. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1anI1ga )
nubbins`: sorry, i know all i'm doing is pasting links today
nubbins`: but the lels, oh jesus
nubbins`: a silk road for "medicine"
nubbins`: where USERS
nubbins`: can BUY. MEDICAL ADVICE.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: laugh, but it is only funny because these folks have not invented wot yet.
nubbins`: the guy is proposing to merge the silk road with yahoo! answers
nubbins` pours drink, watches
asciilifeform: they are discussing how to build tv set without having discovered electricity as of yet.
nubbins`: "Hi, I'm an attorney. I want to describe what I consider to be inherent problems with this."
danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, did you intend to move the first footnote? I meant for it to go with the sentence about where Coinbase's response came from.
trinque: nubbins`: that black chick that was doing the cement ass injections would be great for the site
nubbins`: i can only imagine the horrors behind that statement. agreed.
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: I did. Not a fan of footnotes above the read more link, looks confusing on the front page.
trinque: http://gawker.com/5861135/cement-and-glue-butt-injection-doctor-has-unbelievable-curves << sorry for gawker, pic worth it
assbot: Cement-and-Glue Butt Injection 'Doctor' Has Unbelievable Curves ... ( http://bit.ly/1anINKa )
asciilifeform: l0l, 'fix a flat' !
trinque: asciilifeform: with a name like that how could you not inject into your arse?
danielpbarron: aight i'll keep that in mind for future articles
asciilifeform: (for non-u.s. folks - a product consisting of an aerosol tin with a hose and a pull ring. hose attaches to flat tire, pull ring, contents - a sort of rubbery foam - released into tire in lieu of air)
asciilifeform: i and everybody else have it in my car, in the box in the back where the fire extinguisher etc. is kept
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i and everybody else have it in my car, in the box in the back where the fire extinguisher etc. is kept << Wait your fire extinguisher isn't under the seat?
ben_vulpes: yeah that's a demerit
ben_vulpes: trinque: gawker and friends are blocked at /etc/hosts on babetops
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> (for non-u.s. folks - a product consisting of an aerosol tin with a hose and a pull ring. hose attaches to flat tire, pull ring, contents - a sort of rubbery foam - released into tire in lieu of air) << Also pretty much guarentees you need a new wheel after use
trinque: later... "BingoBoingo | bitch my whole car is a fire extinguisher"
BingoBoingo: trinque: Not yet.
trinque: BingoBoingo: good work
trinque: * ben_vulpes ^
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it's the traditional small extinquisher, meant for use on motor, not on self or passengers
decimation: BingoBoingo: yeah but the point is to inflate wheel enough to make it to tire vendor
asciilifeform: i am now wondering if you folks have halon or what in there.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Amall dry powder in passenger compartment, CO2 in trunk except summers
BingoBoingo: decimation: That's what undersized spare in trunk is for
BingoBoingo: *Small
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the point is to avoid cranking the jack in the cold rain, etc.
asciilifeform: mud on your suit
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: So you don't have a "dining fly" style tarp rig in your trunk?
trinque: also if you're a tranny it makes for great womanly curves
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and how on earth would it nuke your wheel
asciilifeform: tire - yes
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The fix a flat adheres to the wheel's metal. Also tends to deploy unevenly. wheels in the best case need scraped after use, in worst case become malformed
decimation: only after driving on them for awhile
nubbins`: "Update: Some of you have suggested that Morris might have body dysmorphic disorder. If that's the case, we hope she finds a professional who can guide her away from excessive plastic surgeries and toward self-acceptance."
nubbins`: IF THAT'S THE CASE
nubbins`: "sorry, we didn't realize this obvious mental illness had a name"
asciilifeform used this type of product many times, had tires repaired, never noticed this effect - at one point even drove for entire year on such a tire.
BingoBoingo: decimation: "a while" is not a very precise measurement
decimation: between 100 and 1000 miles
decimation: maybe even longer
asciilifeform: nubbins`: iirc the 'state of the art' shrink practice is not 'self-acceptance' but prescription of mutilations
asciilifeform: e.g. amputation fetishist gets amputation, etc.
BingoBoingo always been sold on not using fix a flat without first person experience.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it has obvious caveats, such as being violently explosive
BingoBoingo also generally suspicious of build quality of vehicle parts
mircea_popescu: nubbins` for my curiosity, when are you gonna get bored with it ?
decimation: it's all shit that falls apart
nubbins`: <+asciilifeform> e.g. amputation fetishist gets amputation, etc. <<< met a girl once who'd self-amputated her fingertip, doctors didn't think too much of it
asciilifeform: nubbins`: yakuza ?
trinque: o.0
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> nubbins` for my curiosity, when are you gonna get bored with it ? <<< now-ish
nubbins`: asciilifeform naw pin-up girl
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: who wants an ex carpenter pin-up
asciilifeform: nubbins`: do tell ?
nubbins`: http://twwly.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/pupsglam2.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1anLviK )
asciilifeform: i assume 'self-amputated' means something other than machine-shop
decimation: m'
nubbins`: apparently chisels are popular
trinque: they'll make a "subculture" out of anything
nubbins`: "popular", listen to me
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> the guy is proposing to merge the silk road with yahoo! answers << well, they already implemented "yahoo finance boards" as "bitcoin finance"
nubbins`: ha
trinque: kitten stomping, dick hammering, you name it
trinque: what will the kids think of next
nubbins`: trinque what's wrong with dick hammering?
decimation: I don't get how one gets from "want to cut" to "imma cut my fukin' fingertip off'
nubbins`: grow up and live a little
asciilifeform: <trinque> what will the kids think of next << here's to hoping that it's dueling they'll think of.
nubbins`: i actually read a handful of stories from self-amputees over the years
nubbins`: one guy took off a hand
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> trinque: gawker and friends are blocked at /etc/hosts on babetops << what sort of an abusive relationsheep is this!
asciilifeform: or even the proverbial 'ru. roulette with automatic'
asciilifeform: wai wat is a 'babetop' ?
trinque: asciilifeform: nah dueling has no victim
trinque: nubbins`: seems like incremental suicide
decimation: maybe if my hand is dead that's like suicide?
nubbins`: trinque waking up every day is incremental suicide
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i imagine the system his wife is using
trinque: nubbins`: bah
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> wai wat is a 'babetop' ? << Tits???
trinque: not like I've never felt pain, but I don't see the point in losing parts
nubbins`: http://news.bme.com/2008/03/11/de-fingered-finger-amputation-interviews-in-bmenews-publishers-ring/
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ben_vulpes: specially not the moneymaking parts
nubbins`: http://news.bme.com/2007/08/13/diy-finger-amputation/
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asciilifeform: nubbins`: iirc from shrink literature, proper ampuphetishists grow 'alienated' from their hand/foot/cock, coming to believe that it was a foreign object sewn on to them by martian abductors or somesuch.
nubbins`: these are obviously NSFW
nubbins`: http://news.bme.com/2012/10/15/memorial-amputation/
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ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: you know how it is when they come to you asking for the right decisions to be made.
nubbins`: http://news.bme.com/2011/08/01/frozen-extremes/
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nubbins`: ^ whole foot
trinque: seems like humans will a) accept any category they've heard about a certain number of times and b) compete with each other as examples of that category
asciilifeform: 'frozen extremes' << will guess, he used nitrogen ?
asciilifeform: and hammer
decimation: sure why not make a subreddit where sick fucks can egg each other on
nubbins`: dry ice
nubbins`: and time
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i do, but it's nothing liek that.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: sounds gangrenous
decimation: maybe a subreddit discussing why "i don't negotiate because reasons"
mircea_popescu: no further than tonight, girl got sent to bed early because well, bought eggs at carefour.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck does that ?!
nubbins`: asciilifeform he couldn't saw it off himself, so he froze it with dry ice and went to the hospital
nubbins`: where they kindly removed it for him
mircea_popescu: but the idea isn't to make stupid shit impossible. just punishable.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: aha gulag-style
ben_vulpes: hm
asciilifeform: (prisoners at one point would mutilate own hands, feet, to be excused from work for a spell)
nubbins`: a!
ben_vulpes: (the correct procurement point being avicar, clearly)
asciilifeform: in wartime this was an instant capital offense
asciilifeform: but in peacetime - no
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes nah, grocer.
decimation: yeah, but then you gotta go back to mining uranium without hand
ben_vulpes: what was she doing at carefour anyways?
asciilifeform: decimation: if lacking both hands - you'd become a human 'soil compactor'
decimation: lol
asciilifeform: missing feet - left to starve
decimation: why not eaten by others?
asciilifeform: i did not say whether eaten.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: hey avicar had great eggs
nubbins`: http://news.bme.com/2010/03/24/interview-with-james-keen-a-young-heavily-modified-eunuch/
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mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes prolly looking for gawker magazine, fuck if i know.
mircea_popescu: i never used it.
nubbins`: ^ i actually watched this guy go from a vanilla fat kid into what you see in the first picture
decimation: if you feel like hacking your foot off, can I eat it?
nubbins`: over the course of maybe 2-3 years
asciilifeform: decimation: as features in roal dahl's story with the bums
asciilifeform: or in the film 'snow piercer'
asciilifeform: or 1000 other works of art
trinque: cannot comprehend a person who cuts off his own balls
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: gawker magazine << hawww
trinque: other than it must be a few notches below suicide
asciilifeform: !s a pig like this
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trinque: genetic suicide or something
ben_vulpes: and now there are three, asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: this is how you get ants.
trinque: "but dude... you are... hmmm.. *you*."
ben_vulpes: do you want ants?
decimation: ". I remember as my second testicle was being clipped from the body, it was an expierence I won’t forget! The feeling of YES it is finally done! I remember it all like yesterday. Months after, and I’m talking 3-4 months of not taking testosterone shots or anything, I started getting hot flashes."
nubbins`: http://news.bme.com/2011/01/10/just-the-tip/
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nubbins`: it's mostly fingertips
asciilifeform: http://www.funnypart.com/funny/pig.shtml
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1cbg6RY )
nubbins`: very rare to go bigger
ben_vulpes: disappoiting.
ben_vulpes: i was hoping for cocklets.
nubbins`: inorite
trinque: runaway grooming impulse?
nubbins`: plenty of that too
mircea_popescu: i'd really like to get with the program here and think "hey, more power to em", but the vast majority of the self improvers are just deranged.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu has it
ben_vulpes: i actually *let my piercings close up*
decimation: ^ which is why they need to be put back to mining U instead of letting them wollow in 'tardation
trinque: ben_vulpes: yeah I had pierced ears
bitstein: BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: http://qntra.net/2015/04/coinbase-outgoing-email-hacked/ << Pierre_Rochard and I have been trying to tell Coinbase they should be using PGP for a while now. https://community.coinbase.com/t/pgp-signed-encrypted-e-mails/470 Adrian from Coinbase (presumably the same one as linked to in the article) said: "Do you think that simply signing messages sent from Coinbase with PGP would add any additional security over
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mircea_popescu: decimation i dun believe anyone's stupidity is anyone else's responsibility.
ben_vulpes: but i'm probably fully in the deranged category
bitstein: DKIM?" So that worked out well for them.
ben_vulpes: trinque: i had a subcutaneous piercing across the back of my neck
asciilifeform: there is something to the 'mortido' hypothesis
ben_vulpes waggles his cock
trinque: damn son
nubbins`: that said, there are plenty of people who cut off a fingertip, tattoo their face, cut their nuts off, w/e... and then just go on to lead a normal, happy life
decimation: I guess as long as they are hacking their own feet off and not mine
asciilifeform: that pain, death, mutilation are micronutrients
nubbins`: they're in the clear minority, sure
nubbins`: but they're there
mircea_popescu: bitstein the thing with idiots is that they will continue to think they know better indefinitely.
ben_vulpes: trinque: i'll show you the vampire bite sometime
mircea_popescu: hopefully they run out of money and then they vcan go on thinking they knew better with the winklevii and the rest of the dumbcrowd.
asciilifeform: folks kept as 'axenic mice' tend to go off the rollers in ways like this.
nubbins`: <+ben_vulpes> trinque: i had a subcutaneous piercing across the back of my neck << hah no wai
ben_vulpes: nubbins`: boss you don't even know
nubbins`: i had the frenulum under my tongue pierced
ben_vulpes: i'm just out of readies right now
nubbins`: heh
bitstein: mircea_popescu: I don't think we ever expected them to actually implement it. We just enjoy publicly shaming wallet inspectors.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` "leading normal happy life" is not the gold standard.
ben_vulpes: bitstein: y'all reconcile over the megablocks yet?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu for someone who has to cut off a finger to achieve it... it probably is
trinque: I'm still staring at this guy's severed finger
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it doesn't mean anything, for one.
decimation: nubbins`: when my baby boy was born the doctor said "his frenulum is really long, you want me to snip it"?
ben_vulpes: nubbins`: if you need "a thing" to achieve it, you'll soon want another "thing"
ben_vulpes: insatiability of man etc
danielpbarron: i wasn't suggesting coinbase gpg sign all outgoing email, as such a thing would be pointless if automated, and impossible if not
decimation: all human happiness is relative
mircea_popescu: moreover, people who think they achieved hapiness are the golden standard of deranged.
nubbins`: ben_vulpes if you need to cum to relax, you'll soon want to cum again
trinque: lol
decimation: a turd sandwich sounds delicious to someone about the starve to death
nubbins`: decimation didja snip it?
asciilifeform: wait till you hear about eating. not only do you need to do it again soon, but all that money - turned to shit!
nubbins`: ^
decimation: nubbins`: no, and he did just fine. supposedly it would 'prevent nursing'
mircea_popescu: really bad example. eating is pleasurable.
nubbins`: decimation if it ends up a problem down the road, people have it done as adults all the time
BingoBoingo: bitspill: DKIM used to be a popular spamzor turd at first, guarenteed to hit yahoo accounts
nubbins`: mircea_popescu you don't think cutting the fingertips off is pleasurable for these people?
mircea_popescu: i know it can't be.
bitstein: ben_vulpes: I've been busy thinking about other things. I have some articles to review, though, that touch the subject. So we'll see if anyone comes to any new conclusions.
nubbins`: pleasure centers are funny things
trinque: seems like the finger cutting wants an audience
mircea_popescu: hence deranged.
asciilifeform: i can easily picture them feeling it as a 'long no-safeword scene' or somesuch
nubbins`: since when is deranged a negative!
mircea_popescu: depends what you're looking for.
mircea_popescu: since when is buggy code bad ?
nubbins`: asciilifeform unsurprisingly there's a massive overlap between "body mod" world and bdsm
mircea_popescu: no there isn't.
trinque: miles of difference between getting choked or whatever and cutting off body parts
Chillum: damn hard drive died
ben_vulpes: punkman: yo i need legacy deed specifications. get in touch with trinque, if you'd be so kind.
Chillum: good thing I backup
nubbins`: you're no april's fool
Chillum: lol
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell punkman yo i need legacy deed specifications. get in touch with trinque, if you'd be so kind.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: there's a large overlap between idiotic sjw types, fair going lice-in-hair types, gender-and-social-role-issues types and perceived-scandalous-stuff types.
ben_vulpes: Chillum: back around again?
mircea_popescu: the overlap is : poor, stupid, young adults.
Chillum: almost spit gin and tonic out my nose nubbins`
Chillum: ben_vulpes: I am around
trinque: I knew someone who was a "cutter"
trinque: and it was invariably about the attention after the act
trinque: not the pain
trinque: this looks like that
ben_vulpes: trinque: always
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and for the record, the overlap between bdsm and "scenes" is roughly the overlap between human sexuality and brazzers.
mircea_popescu: weirdo kabuki nobody takes seriously.
asciilifeform: what are brazzers ?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu and there isn't an overlap between the two groups who agree "hurty things are nice". gotcha
mircea_popescu: this particular californite pron producer.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` if your idea of bdsm is "hurty things are nice" and idem of body mods, the problem is this will overlap anything.
asciilifeform: trinque: oddly enough i knew such a person, and it was very much not a 'performance act' considering that it was done in secret and only evident long after by the scars
mircea_popescu: for instance voting.
nubbins`: voting actually hurts
nubbins`: you know there's still no option for "none of the above" here?
mircea_popescu: heh.
ben_vulpes: good night, asshats!
trinque: ben_vulpes: adios
mircea_popescu: anyway. the pain per se is rarely sought by the body mod crowd. as trinque points out, attention whoring much higher on the list.
mircea_popescu: similarly, more people in bdsm are after the humiliation than the straight pain.
nubbins`: http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i278/twwly1/6iqbht6a.jpg
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mircea_popescu: so... you know, picking something way down off the list of either doesn't make much of a connection
nubbins`: in fairness, i went way farther down the mod rabbit hole than most
asciilifeform: i can even imagine cargo-cult masochists
asciilifeform: who go in for greater and greater torments, hoping to overflow the register
nubbins`: i've met some extremely complicated people over the years
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i am not proposing you're no good here.
nubbins`: good, 'cause i didn't get that impression
punkman: trinque: zlib compressed
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well the masochists you imagine and the masochists you'll encounter are guaranteed to never meet.
trinque: punkman: ah, thank you!
mircea_popescu: for one thing, actual masochism is quite rare. about as rare as actual homosexuals.
asciilifeform: so what are the remaining ones ?
mircea_popescu: whereas, plain female submission (either natural, or else imprinted/misdeveloped) is quite common.
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: women to some degree are coded to neglect pain or else they'd never get pregnant.
mircea_popescu: this isnt masochism per se.
asciilifeform: neglect != enjoy ?
nubbins`: knew a guy who went by the name "mal" who was in the process of letting his wife cut his dick off
mircea_popescu: well, neglect indeed can be enjoy.
mircea_popescu: imagine you just found out how to neglect noise in a noisy room
mircea_popescu: narrow space in the head, so everything ends up the other thing all the time. broken shit.
asciilifeform: i know of at least five cases of craftsmen who built and used, on selves, guillotines.
asciilifeform: does this count as amputation fetishism...
trinque: hahaha
mircea_popescu: or simple seneca-ism.
nubbins`: he ended up getting divorced in the end, which was a bit of a kick in his absent nuts
nubbins`: but at least he has a bifurcated penis for his troubles now
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i knew of a guy who was a total slob, ended up giving himself renal failure.
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> narrow space in the head, so everything ends up the other thing << this is how the 'cutter' explained it to me
mircea_popescu: wife gave him a kidney (they matched), he cleanned up his act
mircea_popescu: and divorced her.
nubbins`: hm, you ever watch Lost? i guess not
mircea_popescu: nope ?
trinque: asciilifeform: hm, maybe I didn't describe the situation I know of fully. she mentioned that it cleared her head a couple times
nubbins`: anyway, in the show, there's this old man, john locke. hard life, series of misfortunes. finds his dad as an adult, befriends him, everything's great
trinque: I think a pathological way to do so, but maybe there was something there other than just the narcissism, though that factored in
nubbins`: dad needs a kidney.
nubbins`: john wakes up in the recovery room after donating said kidney -- dad had checked out an hour earlier, never to be seen again
mircea_popescu: ha.
mircea_popescu: actually, i now recall there was this ancient... czech maybe ? film, about a stamp collector
nubbins`: he tracks his dad down, they argue, dad pushes him out a 7th floor window, paralyzing him
mircea_popescu: and they tricked him with a rare stamp, guy lost a kidney.
asciilifeform: tales of stolen organs pre-date the invention of transplantation
asciilifeform: in fact, africans still 'muti'
asciilifeform: i wouldn't be certain that it will be very long before 'muti' is introduced in usa
asciilifeform: ('medicinal cannibalism')
trinque: I think I'd have to not consider my body to be "me" to be able to cut off a finger..
mircea_popescu: im sure they already do it in the ghetto.
trinque: seems like magical thinking just as bad as any religious nut
nubbins`: trinque what about "thinking" is not magical to you?
mircea_popescu: trinque im certainly able to cut the whole lot off.
mircea_popescu: just... why the fuck would i.
asciilifeform: trinque: not consider my body to be "me" << fwiw, this is how the shrinkature describes it
trinque: that's what I mean, able to rationalize it
trinque: asciilifeform: I agree up to the point where they try to make the body fit the "mind"
trinque: instead of saying look kid, you've got a penis
nubbins`: groan
mircea_popescu: yeah, because god forbid their stupid "mind" ie narciself ever has to adapt to anything.
trinque: ^
mircea_popescu *beatings*
Chillum: I have been looking into laser cutters. I have seen this aluminum with a black anodized layer. The laser can blast off the black layer to give strong contrasting metal images. I am thinking it may be a good way to make very long term(decades) bitcoin wallets
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/7a18b42546599744d309f33bf22c294a/tumblr_n3hc0skbZU1tpwtg5o1_1280.png
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nubbins`: "nineteen eighty-four" with an all-female cast!
mircea_popescu: Chillum if you could get it to work on bronze...
nubbins`: this is right before the "FOREVER"
Chillum: not sure if you can anodize bronze
Chillum: it has the advantage of being extremely durable
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it wouldn't work, imo. 1984 so deeply depends on very male erotic sentiment.
Chillum: why bronze?
nubbins`: Chillum i think you can
Chillum: nice
mircea_popescu: bronze is the most durable thing we have.
asciilifeform: Chillum: cut something that is actually thick
asciilifeform: and doesn't corrode
trinque: nubbins`: by magical thinking I mean the kind which simply tries to declare things to be other than they are
Chillum: aluminum insulates itself from corrosion once it gets a thin layer
nubbins`: trinque o.
Chillum: mircea_popescu: if it can be anodized then bronze would be a great way to go
mircea_popescu: i don't see why it couldn't.
Chillum: there are bronze items going back to... well the bronze age
nubbins`: like how the salaryman declares himself to be confident before asking for the promotion?
asciilifeform: bronze -items- not little scratches thereon.
mircea_popescu: actually the bronze age items will still be imperceptibly altered long after new york is barely a flat spot in the sediment record.
trinque: nubbins`: whatever bullshit rituals work for him
Chillum: just googled it, anodized bronze sheets are available
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you could make the dots 1 sqcm
trinque: nubbins`: he could simply decide that he is going to ask for the thing, and do it
asciilifeform: Chillum: at any rate, you need a very expensive tube before you can actually cut metals, vs. a thin coat of anodized.
Chillum: could work. The problem is that everyone needs their own laser cutter as you cannot trust another to make a key for you
nubbins`: sure. he could simply decide fuck this, i don't want this dick, what good's it anyway, too
mircea_popescu: Chillum lasers are cheap and getting cheaper.
trinque: nubbins`: I'm not gonna stop him
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: tube lasers cost roughly what they cost 30 years ago,.
asciilifeform: the tech has not changed.
nubbins`: of course you're not. how could you?
Chillum: cutting metal is a no-go for co2 lasers, not going to spend 20k+ on a metal cutter
nubbins`: o.O
mircea_popescu: and ima go eulora. laters!
Chillum: but zapping off 1-2mm thick layers of anodization is doable
asciilifeform: Chillum: you can buy arbitrarily large co2 tube.
asciilifeform: but - expensive.
trinque: nubbins`: this gets into "everything's relative" and I don't really subscribe to that
Chillum: true but beyond a certain power other types of lasers make more sense
trinque: what would happen if every man cut off his dick
nubbins`: lel.
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nubbins`: the laws of probability would have broken down
asciilifeform: Chillum: you will find that, large or small, the cost of the cooling and ventilation apparatus will approach the cost of the machine itself.
nubbins`: and we'd have bigger problems.
nubbins`: like, say, the lineup at the dick-scissor store.
asciilifeform: !s dulap
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Chillum: asciilifeform: I am for a larger place to live, then I will be getting one. Will certainly be doing a lot of research first
nubbins`: trinque it kinda seems like you're arguing people cut their dicks off /on a whim/
trinque: +nubbins` | like, say, the lineup at the dick-scissor store. < ahahha
nubbins`: like "oh, lel, w/e"
decimation: does usg even allow you to possess a laser like that without permission?
trinque: nubbins`: nah it seems like... a big deal
trinque: maybe life is just too boring for them?
nubbins`: yep. maybe.
trinque: they'd rather be hacking enemies with axes or god knows what
asciilifeform: Chillum: if you must cut metal, in virtually all cases milling, water-jet, or even plasma cut is cheaper.
Chillum: I don't expect to cut metal
trinque: nubbins`: I was actually looking for an explanation for the thing
trinque: that one sort of works... "I'm wired to experience far more pain and risk than I've ever seen in this boring life"
Chillum: I expect to remove a layer of foil, laminent or anodization from metal
asciilifeform: on account of the poor massless photons, a 100w power saw cuts like a 10kW laser..
trinque: just seems a bad substitute for whatever used to satisfy it, if that's so
decimation: asciilifeform: wouldn't most of the photons get reflected dangerously around the area?
Chillum: it would be nice to cut PCBs but not going to happen in my price range
asciilifeform: decimation: depends on the wavelength
nubbins`: trinque people who feel they're being cheated of pain and risk usually take up dangerous hobbies
nubbins`: not get a sex change
decimation: Chillum: why not use milling bit to mill pcb?
trinque: nubbins`: I was talking about the guy who chops his finger off
trinque: dunno then
trinque: nubbins`: what do you think it is?
nubbins`: oh, jeez. you're jumping back and forth.
asciilifeform: decimation: glass, for instance, is quite opaque to ir and cuts with co2 tube
nubbins`: trinque are you hetero?
trinque: nubbins`: I am
decimation: yeah but metal?
Chillum: decimation: it is cheaper to just use ferric chloride
nubbins`: ever really wanted to fuck?
Chillum: nasty stuff but effective
trinque: nubbins`: yeah this one time..
nubbins`: i mean, REALLY, REALLY wanted to
trinque: of course
asciilifeform: etched pcb will probably keep longer than any ancient papyrus
asciilifeform: if not submerged
asciilifeform: cu on fiberglass
nubbins`: multiply that by 1000, and make it about having a pussy instead of a dick.
Chillum: etched PCB wallets is something I tried
nubbins`: does that make sense?
trinque: nubbins`: but was the guy getting his dick chopped off one of those?
trinque: and yeah, it does a bit
nubbins`: ask him
asciilifeform: nubbins`: in a way, the folks who 'by 1000 want' to be dragons, are better off
trinque: turns out though that we don't know how to make men into women
asciilifeform: nubbins`: they won't be taken in by a cruel sham
trinque: we just know how to turn a dick inside out and sew it inside
nubbins`: what i'm trying to say is that it's impossible for me, or you, to say what any individual's motivations are when doing something this extreme
asciilifeform: because we have not yet invented a 'trans-draconic' industry
trinque: nubbins`: I'll agree with that
decimation: if you want to make a 'long life wallet' just get a small sheet of bronze and hand-etch with 'hand engraver' for 10 bux
nubbins`: what's the most complicated personal crisis you've had to deal with?
asciilifeform: decimation: problem is that anything easy to do, is easy for the sands of time to scramble up.
trinque: nubbins`: identity-wise? I don't tend to think about it. maybe something to do with a job
Chillum: All I know is that anodizing is used instead of paint when something needs to stand up to more abuse
trinque: that relates to how I see this, as a sort of obsession with identity
decimation: asciilifeform: or you could use a 'letter & number die punch set', it would take quite awhile to wear off
nubbins`: most people don't tend to think about personal crises once they've passed, so you're not unusual in that regard. did you find it hard to succinctly state what was wrong, to yourself or to others?
Chillum: a true engraving or outside cut-out would be more ideal
Chillum: solid gold or platinum would not decay
asciilifeform: obligatory >> https://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/Robust.HTM
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trinque: nubbins`: I am invariably dull when it comes to expressing my feelings to others
trinque: but yes, very hard to take internal state and convey it sometimes, for anyone
Chillum: asciilifeform: nice link, I have read that before
nubbins`: sure. and that's for something as trivial and banal as a fucking /job/.
Chillum: the fact is we have a big tech gap when it comes to storing digital information for long term
decimation: ok imagine you had a gold-etched lexan 'wallet'
decimation: the problem I see is, how are you gonna protect it from being seen?
nubbins`: now imagine how difficult it would be to take the internal state of /wanting to amputate part of your body/ and convey it
Chillum: the gold would not have to be thick
decimation: put it in bank vault?
trinque: nubbins`: yeah I see your point
trinque: and how that could run away
nubbins`: anyone who claims to have a grasp on the processes behind these decisions is blowing smoke up your ass
trinque: so doing it ends the obsession? or is that the hope?
asciilifeform: fuse a bulb of cloudy synthetic quartz around a gold plate.
asciilifeform: should suffice for a geological epoch or two
trinque: that begins to make a shred of sense
asciilifeform: question being, wtf and why
trinque: not how they get the obsession in the first place, but how it ends
decimation: asciilifeform: exactly
decimation: so you put it in your 'safe deposit box', and the bank employees read
decimation: now what
nubbins`: how they get the obsession, probably 99% of them couldn't tell you
asciilifeform: nubbins`: <nubbins`> anyone who claims to have a grasp on the processes behind these decisions is blowing smoke up your ass << the amputation folks do appear to converge on certain threads in their explanations, iirc
trinque: it's gonna end up being some bastard fungi
nubbins`: asciilifeform the most common one i've seen is "the part just felt wrong being there"
asciilifeform: aha
nubbins`: consider the afore-shared "twwly"
decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-02-2015#1035299
assbot: Logged on 27-02-2015 02:39:08; decimation: "LAWRENCE Look, Ali. Look! That's me. What colour is it? That's me! And there's nothing I can do about it. ALI A man can do whatever he wants, you said. LAWRENCE He can, but he can't want what he wants.This is the stuff [his flesh] that decides what he wants."
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i suspect that it will turn up being an elementary proprioception quirk
nubbins`: had a fingertip amputated maybe 15 years ago
asciilifeform: sorta like an inverse anosognosia
nubbins`: how many fingertips amputated since? 0
nubbins`: alf you just made me dictionary two words, tyvm
nubbins`: but yes, that sounds quite apt
trinque: hm that could be an extremely annoying feeling
nubbins`: more annoying than tinnitus
trinque: getting all this sensory input from a thing that shouldn't be there
nubbins`: anyway, who can say how a thing gets into a brain?
nubbins`: i have this hazy memory of being extremely sick as a young child, and rolling some very small object, like the size of a grain of sand, between my thumb and forefinger as i writhed in agony
decimation: el Lawrence said it was the flesh that puts it there
nubbins`: maybe 3 years old at the time
nubbins`: this feeling, of rolling the whatever-it-was between my fingers, comes back from time to time
trinque: hm, maybe you picked up something nasty?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: or the american expression, dating at least to civil war, of 'biting the bullet'
nubbins`: no, i mean the sensation of rolling the grain in my fingers
nubbins`: something very queasy about it
trinque: I'm confused; this was an object or just a sensation?
trinque: or you don't know?
nubbins`: i don't even know if it happened
nubbins`: but it's stuck in my head and every once in a while i get a grain of salt stuck to my thumb
nubbins`: and i walk around for a half hour... rolling it
nubbins`: around and around
nubbins`: does this make sense? what is its cause?
nubbins`: why does it make me feel like throwing up sometimes?
nubbins`: brains are strange things
nubbins`: and shit gets stuck in them sometimes
decimation: whatever it is, it ain't an object of reason
trinque: I could see there being disorders of the sort of universe modeling of the brain
asciilifeform: nubbins`: patients at chemotherapeutic clinics are often given weird sodas, etc. to drink, for this reason
asciilifeform: nausea is very quick route to associative memory
trinque: like leakage between whatever can make a grain of rice appear in my mind's eye
asciilifeform: for reasons that don't seem mysterious at all
trinque: and whatever models one on my finger
asciilifeform: (nausea is, 'in the wild,' generally an indicator of having been poisoned)
nubbins`: incidentally, i had a crazy stomach flu a couple years ago and now whenever i get really hungry i feel like barfing

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