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(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, tomorrow sounds good!
(trilema) diana_coman: atm it's only udp I want to do
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, please do
(trilema) diana_coman: not like typing takes a lot of time
(trilema) diana_coman: if I knew all that, it'd be ...ready
(trilema) diana_coman: as I dig into them deeper, I shall know! lol
(trilema) diana_coman: sure, but what's the point in wrapping a c call in more c code, I'm not sure I follow what you have in mind
(trilema) diana_coman: if it's c, there's no need for a wrapper
(trilema) diana_coman: how would it be c??
(trilema) diana_coman: myeah; I did not even pretend I *like* to have to do this
(trilema) diana_coman: I don't know what an "ada system call" is, to answer that question; my aim is indeed to wrap them in one place so that everything else makes ada calls and doesn't care
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, it would still wrap recv and send at the very least
(trilema) diana_coman: for lulz from the above code: -- Return highest numbered socket (what does this refer to???)
(trilema) diana_coman: overall this leaves me with the fact that I'll have to make my own "thin layer" with only what I need, certainly thinner than gnat.sockets + gnat.sockets.thin
(trilema) diana_coman: moreover, the thin layer is in principle internal to gnat.sockets so it's not even meant to be directly used from outside (compiler will throw a warning though nothing worse than that afaik)
(trilema) diana_coman: while initially I considered using this thin layer, on a deeper look at it, I don't like it; here is the code of it: https://www2.adacore.com/gap-static/GNAT_Book/html/rts/g-socthi__ads.htm and https://www2.adacore.com/gap-static/GNAT_Book/html/rts/g-socthi__adb.htm
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850437 -> following on from this, I had a look in more detail at the code for gnat.sockets; my conclusion is that gnat.sockets has as main contribution the streams + forcing the weird dance with types; underlying gnat.sockets is the "thin layer" that essentially wraps the system's C functions for sockets
(trilema) diana_coman: BingoBoingo, "The habit of producing the "OK" symbol also happens to be many Anglophones" -> ????
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850507 -> that's the first version of the protocol; current, updated version is on trilema: http://trilema.com/2018/euloras-communication-protocol-restated/
(trilema) diana_coman: at any rate, from server's point of view, it doesn't care - it will answer to legitimate messages and that is that; it's more of a client concern and up to them how they handle that i.e. indeed pretty much how long they wait/when do they consider server unreachable and what they do
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, it might help to read the protocol perhaps?
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850460 -> sounds good; glad I published this stuff now rather than later!
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850448 -> yes, unreliable but that's not the concern at this level
(trilema) diana_coman goes to read some more
(trilema) diana_coman: sounds very, very appealing to be honest
(trilema) diana_coman: I certainly have to consider that option too if all that gnat.sockets buys me is some bloat + streams
(trilema) diana_coman: supporting windows in not a requirement; whoever wants to support it is free to make their own implementation of the protocol anyways
(trilema) diana_coman: hm, so basically there might be something to "only tcp on gnat.sockets" after all since they baked this assumption in the...implementation of gnat.sockets themselves??
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, I'm also still unsure *why* exactly would I need streams; I can see it perhaps on client side if one wants to implement streams on top of udp basically to add checks/re-send or whatever they want to do but that is no concern of the protocol itself
(trilema) diana_coman: phf, fixed link and thank you!
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, aha; re-reading that thing - I guess the Scalar_Storage_Order looks promising, I'll dig a bit deeper into it
(trilema) diana_coman: I've found that and gave it a first pass but I didn't quite see how to use it for my problem; it's on the list of refs at any rate, so I'll get to re-read it
(trilema) diana_coman awaits for the "brb, tea"
(trilema) diana_coman: thanks for looking!
(trilema) diana_coman: got it; will re-read (I do think I had a quick look at it at that time but it didn't stick)
(trilema) diana_coman: I recall a link to examples in ada; fwiw I think they are even gone from that link at least; was that "nqb"?
(trilema) diana_coman: I was just thinking I might have missed something crucial there
(trilema) diana_coman: not gnat.sockets?
(trilema) diana_coman: also: I'm open to any corrections to that thing there, including any slamming of the sort "this is horrible, wtf, do it THIS way!!"
(trilema) diana_coman: and ... HA! why not publish!!
(trilema) diana_coman: cheers asciilifeform !
(trilema) diana_coman: re unchecked.conversion - there is still the issue of flipping the bytes though; this needs more thinking
(trilema) diana_coman: honestly it *seems* to me that's the case, yes; but I'm still trying to wrap my head around it
(trilema) diana_coman: as I was writing that I was thinking that an unchecked.conversion for the whole thing might work - provided arrays are indeed stored as one would expect in a continuous space
(trilema) diana_coman: tcp good, udp bad!!
(trilema) diana_coman: not impossible, huh
(trilema) diana_coman: last time I tried to figure out exactly what is what and where re portage I ran out of time to disentangle the mess, so I'll be very happy indeed to not have to go back to that
(trilema) diana_coman: BingoBoingo, fans of rockchip, eh? looks good
(trilema) diana_coman: trinque, that sounds great!
(trilema) diana_coman: if one's sushi...
(trilema) diana_coman: ahahha mircea_popescu that new header pic
(trilema) diana_coman: perhaps even earlier; from what I understand that's the desired direction anyway, "everyone a millionaire", no?
(trilema) diana_coman: eggs were also one of the things I almost never needed to buy in Ro at that time
(trilema) diana_coman: I'd say more like 3k but I'm not all that sure on it
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, thanks!
(trilema) diana_coman: honestly by now I think it's 0% *did* anything, whatever it is; talking yes, doing no as per old reference ^
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, well yes, but this was more than a reset at any rate so I'd rather re-test anyway
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, BingoBoingo content is confirmed ok, thank you; currently collecting data from fg for tests - this part will take a while
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, I disconnected from the rockchip
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, ah, ok; I haven't really found anything useful in logs so far
(trilema) diana_coman: you know, it'd be funny if it turned out it is some usb3 shit, just in case there wasn't enough reason to get rid of it
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: Linux ossasepia 4.4.114asciilifeform #3 SMP Wed Apr 11 03:53:21 -00 2018 aarch64 GNU/Linux
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, on rockchip as it was, I didn't fiddle with its kernel
(trilema) diana_coman: I'm so fed up with "resets" that if my machine resets, I'd rather know+have a look at it then have everything restart
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, I did not set apache to start on boot, no; that much I'm not surprised at
(trilema) diana_coman goes to look into logs
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, eh, my ssh is not on 22
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, oh hey, I CAN ssh into my rockchip apparently
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, ok
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, can the disk be connected to the working rockchip itself so I rummage there? atm it seems it's only the very latest comments that'd be lost so I'm in 2 minds about it anyway
(trilema) diana_coman: the lifetime of this drive though seems veeery short, so I need to decide on wtf
(trilema) diana_coman: technically speaking I don't own any other box - they are leased by smg rather than by me and I'm not very keen on mixing the stuff tbh; I'll check the backups to see if there's anything worth the trouble still lost
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I can see the issues you raise, they are standing.
(trilema) diana_coman: that was ...quick
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, no; and moreover as previously stated in between "it works" and "it doesn't work" I did not even connect to it!
(trilema) diana_coman: the venue for sure
(trilema) diana_coman: anyway, to the point: I still find Linebarger interesting, perhaps for the exact reason that I can't yet actually place him fully anywhere
(trilema) diana_coman: I think it's one of those where we take one another's eyes out for half a day, at the end of which it turns out we actually agreed on the main point all along
(trilema) diana_coman: it's the bz vs biz thing
(trilema) diana_coman will happily stay out of it
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-07#1848476 -> I might as well mention then that I will redirect noobs to #ossasepia where they can perhaps attempt to learn something or otherwise get banned
(trilema) diana_coman: this reminds of that time when they had a "drama taster" at nursery and I asked him whether he liked it: "I liked it; a bit; not as much as playing with the hammer!"
(trilema) diana_coman: hanbot, lol!
(trilema) diana_coman: I'm actually impressed that the chateaubriand did not feature on 2nd place at least, lol
(trilema) diana_coman: from his point of view and at further prodding it sort of turned out that monkeys are funny, macaws are nice and the ocean + sand ok but by far the most interesting and important is meeting Hannah
(trilema) diana_coman: I can't say I don't see his logic there
(trilema) diana_coman: in other travelling news: child was asked what did he see in costa rica? and he answered truthfully : he saw...Hannah aka hanbot
(trilema) diana_coman: I must say that I read lewis' narnia very late, mainly to see what the whole buzz was all about but it seemed a very poor and sorry thing to me so I still don't know what is supposed to be amazing about it
(trilema) diana_coman: that's what it sounded to me too although I'd have thought there was more than "they know stuff" to whatever reputation there might be there; then again, sorrying one's way out of answering a question is the same pick and choose approach so not surprising
(trilema) diana_coman: !!down rain2
(trilema) diana_coman: the name faintly sounded a bell and he had actually been in here before but just like this time failed to have any real reason for having voice; anyways, it was still older habit at work, no longer appropriate
(trilema) diana_coman: no upping unless known, k
(trilema) diana_coman: rain2, do you have anything else to say? tricks get tiresome rather quickly
(trilema) diana_coman: rain1, you know, since you work on some code projects, why don't you play eulora and work any tricks you want with the client code there - perhaps even the sort of tricks that can give your char an edge so you earn actual bitcoin
(trilema) diana_coman: logically speaking you should ask that guy anywya
(trilema) diana_coman: rain1, ok, so you want to do some trick that some other guy did; but still not clear how does it ...matter
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, that Kirk fellow sounds great and I'd rather have read something written by him than lewis
(trilema) diana_coman: rain1, no need to be sorry, just answer the question
(trilema) diana_coman: I doubt twitter really interested anyone around here all that much; what does it matter how twitter picks image filenames?
(trilema) diana_coman: all right; what was it you needed voice for?
(trilema) diana_coman: who are you rain1 ?
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: sonnow, sunnounded, tennified, annangement, annangements, embannassment, annogant, occunned,
(trilema) diana_coman: and "connesponding"
(trilema) diana_coman: working through it, pass 1; anyways: "sunnoundings"
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, it seems to have replaced "rr" with "nn"? "innelevant" and "annives" , it gets arroying after a while
(trilema) diana_coman: BingoBoingo, congrats on new position and looking forward to Pizarro's next moves to attract more customers
(trilema) diana_coman: mod6, cheers!
(trilema) diana_coman: nicoleci, it might help to start looking at it from the other end: figure out what makes an effective policeman in the given context, compare it with what the "exam" actually tests even in the best case and then see how it fits otherwise with reality in the field; then again, I guess finding someone to read that 1 post might be faster at least
(trilema) diana_coman: well, if it's a whole club, it has to be worth more!!
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, what does axiogenic mean?
(trilema) diana_coman: if that's what the school promises, it's a tall order anyway; and for that matter does school make girl boy ? or what "something else"?
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I recall that specific complaint mainly as repeatedly cited by you; but other than that I thought it was already quite pervasive issue basically
(trilema) diana_coman: ah, I can see that; I'd put it simply: boy attaches a way higher cost to "being wrong"
(trilema) diana_coman: might depend on what "self" one talks about there but anyways, it can certainly wait
(trilema) diana_coman: he demonstrated that he was illiterate and so on; pretty much what you complained re nicoleci atm; no proof that one can't learn
(trilema) diana_coman: basically nicoleci then "understood" she was NOT useless somehow? I don't quite follow
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, I don't know what that would be based on really or why you'd put it in
(trilema) diana_coman: not all that dissimilar
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, he had *his* option to be part of tmsr and she had *her* option to be part of it; he did not take it on account of "but I earn money now and I'm building mah future at this great company" ; she took hers discarding the earn money now and this great company
(trilema) diana_coman: I'd just put side by side http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-05#1847919 with http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-01#1838630 and leave it there for comparison by any interested parties
(trilema) diana_coman: so mircea_popescu is probably right re numbers
(trilema) diana_coman: come to think of it, maybe americans were simply so loud and rather obnoxious that they were more visible, huh; doing some counting here I remember there was even a rather large group of ...italians, lol
(trilema) diana_coman: it's unclear to me only if the similarity goes that far since at least in RO people *wanted* passport or afaik many americans don't see /conceive/think of the need for passport, so possible one up
(trilema) diana_coman: I did hear a lot of dutch and german too,that is true; but all the dollar-prices and loads of English spoken and the baked in assumption - American, I don't know
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, their contact is "tourists are american and give us lots of money" from what I can tell
(trilema) diana_coman: child had a small ball and apparently there was a rule that no balls allowed in park; so before we even got to the gate, one guard was trying to convince me to hide the ball in a jacket (I had no idea wtf for, it made sense only on hindsight); at the "control" I simply said that ball stays in backpack so it's not a problem and they ..were fine with that
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, they have laws and rules but basically they don't really apply them , at least not in the manner you think of "apply"
(trilema) diana_coman: o.O what, I broke the law by wearing leather shoes and sandals??
(trilema) diana_coman: the "kind" people who "won't kill" I guess; I really don't have any other explanation for that shit
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, myeah, what can I say
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I don't recall any explicit fork in harap alb? or what, after he gets into the well, the "choice"?
(trilema) diana_coman: the take was take a feather or whatever it was
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, ah, the 3 road forks was "on this road you'll never come back"
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847747 -> hm, I remember more the version with "if you take it, you'll be sorry, if you don't take it, you'll be sorry; so better take it"
(trilema) diana_coman: from a tech point of view the trouble with "better by delta" is that you are then stuck dealing with the remaining shit anyway; but sometimes it's still the way to go
(trilema) diana_coman can see both positions really
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847347 -> for amateurs and incompetent dc-s it seems, yes
(trilema) diana_coman: if I understand correctly asciilifeform's solution is essentially not as much kill the pest as make the whole thing pest-resilient
(trilema) diana_coman: that much I can see, yes
(trilema) diana_coman: I am very, very tempted but precisely for this reason still trying to make sure I'm not just preferring the easy way out here
(trilema) diana_coman: the fact that some still do doesn't really = they have no trouble
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, what did you use then? I'm not a huge fan of iptables in any way and this have-to-recompile-kernel doesn't help but I don't know of anything else that is better
(trilema) diana_coman: and just so it doesn't get forgotten, any new config should have xhci turned off as per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-01#1838824
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, I have iptables atm; the idea was to have it by default on any new config/box/system
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, original box did not have iptables support, no
(trilema) diana_coman: it is asciilifeform's kernel indeed; iptables or something else to limit access though I think is a must on a server
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, trinque in case it helps, the kernel option I need to turn on in order to be able to run iptables on the smg machine is networking support/networking options/network packet filtering framework/core netfilter configuration/netfilter xtables support
(trilema) diana_coman: ahahaha, yes; well, he had found it!
(trilema) diana_coman: it was worth a good chuckle :P
(trilema) diana_coman: and one longish evening too
(trilema) diana_coman: no, no,there was a bit more for 2nd evening :P
(trilema) diana_coman: well, it was so good, we kept sipping it and then it would have been a pity to leave behind and then it's ugly to pack an opened bottle and so ...we finished it :P
(trilema) diana_coman: ah, the rum diplomatico, YES!
(trilema) diana_coman: the spikes idea sounds cool too, maybe suggest it
(trilema) diana_coman: well, it looks pretty :D
(trilema) diana_coman: I suppose that's also not that uncommon "productivity improvement" via "latest tech"
(trilema) diana_coman: well, at least if they pay you for staying in the queue...
(trilema) diana_coman: at any rate: sucks
(trilema) diana_coman: aeons of config tweaking or aeons in queue apparently?
(trilema) diana_coman: in principle yes; in practice, I'm not sure anymore where does scrubbing end essentially
(trilema) diana_coman: to me apple stuff is still essentially a fashion item and yes, usually that comes with insanity as far as I can tell
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, re "not wholly scrubbed" - I've been cleaning eulora code for years and it's still not fully scrubbed of ps shit, so..
(trilema) diana_coman: the unique apple experience!
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, to me that still sounds like quite a big step ahead
(trilema) diana_coman: wow, congrats asciilifeform on c101pa!
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, so far it worked good!
(trilema) diana_coman: now I wonder if Mocky will keep eating waffles in Qatar
(trilema) diana_coman: congrats on the new adventure Mocky !
(trilema) diana_coman: mod6, as pizarro customer on a year-long contract I can confirm I do *not want* anything to be done; one upside of going longterm is precisely that it's set for some time and it doesn't require any additional ongoing attention essentially
(trilema) diana_coman: none of the links on bimbo.club work for me -> I can't leave a comment
(trilema) diana_coman: there was some museum exhibit along the lines of why is italy shaped like a boot? because so much shit would never fit in a shoe
(trilema) diana_coman: well, in italy discussion of everything that is shitty will never end so...
(trilema) diana_coman: I certainly went by car over it more than one time but years ago so...
(trilema) diana_coman: yes and ftr genoa is not even really southern
(trilema) diana_coman: except the Morandi bridge and possibly more of Italy from what I hear
(trilema) diana_coman: hello mircea_popescu , I already got Mocky's bot to fail once!
(trilema) diana_away: it certainly looks like that, yes
(trilema) diana_away: mircea_popescu: ugh, I know that "approach" from several students at the uni and they usually even got better marks with most "teachers" because "faster" myeah
(trilema) diana_away: mircea_popescu: I figured out the motorway exit our taxi took that time when we got there faster than you - it's quite a bit after the Sheraton, it doesn't seem to be marked in any reasonable way; there is only this name carved in greenery on the side as you go "villa real"; on the opposite side it's where it says country club santa ana
(trilema) diana_away: asciilifeform: for bonus points, the male ocelot is called Oleg
(trilema) diana_away: I liked the owls though
(trilema) diana_away: as big as macaws but green and with a bit of yellow on the neck
(trilema) diana_away: or these other big parrot-like green birds that I can't seem to remember as other than parrots
(trilema) diana_away: those were just local rats that apparently sneak into the macaws' cage and eat their food
(trilema) diana_away: hi mircea_popescu apparently we timed it perfectly, just got in and then the rain started
(trilema) diana_away: kid loved the whole thing, went like 3 times and questioned the poor guide on everything from birds to sewers and "why is that door so small and why don't you cover the hole where that rat came through?
(trilema) diana_away: there were 2, curled up and twitching their ears only
(trilema) diana_away: yes, there is this "refugio herpetologico" - basically a sort of zoo though mainly with rescued animals
(trilema) diana_away: oh hey, asciilifeform I saw the ocelots!!
(trilema) diana_away: re picking stuff, I did ask for some chicken for the child at one restaurant and what he got clearly went moo in its life but since he did not complain anyway...
(trilema) diana_away: although the red ones which are the only proper squirrels look less like rats
(trilema) diana_away: squirrels are clearly just furry rats
(trilema) diana_away: there were some monkeys going on the wires with the tails curled on a higher wire so it was basically trolleybus monkeys
(trilema) diana_away: ah, I'd always thought they looked more like fat rats
(trilema) diana_away: kid loves the monkeys but he found some very friendly "amigos" ticos rather too much
(trilema) diana_away: oh and the great sign on the beach: "sandwishes allowed@
(trilema) diana_away: they had at some point this big sign reading "more monkeys than people" so perhaps they know something about it
(trilema) diana_away: improvement!!!
(trilema) diana_away: BingoBoingo: are people in uruguay walking on the side of the motorway too?
(trilema) diana_away: mircea_popescu ping
(trilema) diana_away: ticos seem generally eager to figure it out anyway, so it works
(trilema) diana_away: on the bright side I can say that I got along with my adapted italian so far
(trilema) diana_away: I found funny here this thing with american-pretending-to-be-italian food esp salami in the supermarket
(trilema) diana_away: ahahah, sounds real
(trilema) diana_away: this clearly had more wine and shrimp than pasta so it was good :D
(trilema) diana_away: I guess I should give that one another try here too
(trilema) diana_away: I even had a "shrimp spaguetti" with white whine and what-not - it was delicious; oh, and the fig cake - this should be on asciilifeform's list I'd say
(trilema) diana_away: I'm not much for tropical fruit apparently
(trilema) diana_away: food wise to be honest I kept to fish and seafood which are both good and fruit which is clearly an entire level above what one gets in europe but apparently I like it better in cocktails if anything
(trilema) diana_away: hm, here they have this "tres leches" cake that kid is in love with
(trilema) diana_away: BingoBoingo: what are Arepas?
(trilema) diana_away: hey, thanks asciilifeform ! back from the Pacific here, still no ocelot
(trilema) diana_away: yes; and for bonus points the description of indians also sounds extremely modern, green-something-environmentalist-other
(trilema) diana_away: well, so they had mercedes long before you :D
(trilema) diana_away: nope; it's something like land held in common, kid you not
(trilema) diana_away: at the national museum of costa rica I found out yesterday that they had "mercedes" here too, you know?
(trilema) diana_away: eh, ticos surely have an... interesting definition for fortune too
(trilema) diana_away: lol! apparently flotsam is for free around here , no?
(trilema) diana_away: myeah, I gave it a thought but it wasn't the right thought as it turns out
(trilema) diana_away: there, this is the lost-in-the-woods-with-a-key-acct
(trilema) diana_away: !!key diana_away
(trilema) diana_away is still amused that she knew what MP was going to do though kid had no idea
(trilema) diana_away: ahahah mircea_popescu that amusement is eerily similar to ... http://ossasepia.com/2012/01/26/degete-de-extraterestru/
(trilema) diana_away is trying to catch up on the logs
(trilema) diana_away: hey, thanks asciilifeform ! I was thinking of you the other evening as it was rainy cr all the way, lol; and no, still no ocelot !
(trilema) diana_away: lmao; totally noob
(trilema) diana_away: mircea_popescu: I guess I'll give it another try, I never liked papaya; I do like those tiny bananas
(trilema) diana_away: and coconuts + vendor on a sort of trike

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