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(trilema) mike_c: danielpbarron: but this problem is solved by weekly home game. online poker is different.
(trilema) mike_c: dignork: on what? suscpicions?
(trilema) mike_c: i don't know that wot solves it all. so we start neg-rating on suspicion of bot use?
(trilema) mike_c: looks no different from the nuts who don't use bots and multi-table ridiculously
(trilema) mike_c: solvable problem. run 50 bots and pay somebody to sit and chat
(trilema) mike_c: obviously it's not b/c collusion
(trilema) mike_c: people love headsup, but nobody will play online anymore cuz bots.
(trilema) mike_c: and why does nobody play no-limit headsup anymore? and limit? because of this.
(trilema) mike_c: no limit too
(trilema) mike_c: collusion is whatever
(trilema) mike_c: because that would be interesting.
(trilema) mike_c: but, this argument aside, the point of bringing it up - does your solution handle the bot problem?
(trilema) mike_c: a bot's winrate can be bumped up by collusion, but it is far from the biggest factor in its success or failure
(trilema) mike_c: my point was collusion isn't what makes a bot win.
(trilema) mike_c: that was for danielpbarron
(trilema) mike_c: you think you can beat it, there are machines in vegas where you can play against it for real money
(trilema) mike_c: and heads-up poker isn't 6 person poker.
(trilema) mike_c: you going to beat a bot at tic-tac-toe because you know its algorithm?
(trilema) mike_c: danielpbarron: no. that's what solved means.
(trilema) mike_c: what's the emoticon for sticking a tongue out?
(trilema) mike_c: i saw it 15 years ago
(trilema) mike_c: hand gesture my nuts. it's solved.
(trilema) mike_c: yes, it will
(trilema) mike_c: for example, a bot will destroy you in headsup hold'em because it is now a solved problem.
(trilema) mike_c: that is not what makes bots win. it simply gives bots a small bump over what their skill would be otherwise.
(trilema) mike_c: because my whole point was bots are the problem, not collusion.
(trilema) mike_c: and also to be clear, i am talking about collusion, not bots.
(trilema) mike_c: to be clear, are you the site operator or just some other player running these bots?
(trilema) mike_c: Yeah, exactly. so we're talking about one table with me and 5 of your stupid bots colluding.
(trilema) mike_c: then who the fuck is it making money off of?
(trilema) mike_c: ... what?
(trilema) mike_c: 80 because that's a common number of hands per hour at online
(trilema) mike_c: average because max rake isn't every hand
(trilema) mike_c: colluders are paying $66 an hour to play at a $1/$2 no-limit game
(trilema) mike_c: ;;calc 80*5/6
(trilema) mike_c: figure 80 hands/hour, avg $1 cap, 6 players at table (5 colluding)
(trilema) mike_c: Pokerstars has $3 cap at common no-limit games
(trilema) mike_c: anyhoo. Let me see if I can dig up some real stats.
(trilema) mike_c: ok, so we're discussing online. where the profit margins and the rake are smaller
(trilema) mike_c: No, I'm not. the profit margins both live and online are significantly affected by rake
(trilema) mike_c: Live rake is $5/hand.
(trilema) mike_c: Live rake is much higher than online.
(trilema) mike_c: Online? What limit?
(trilema) mike_c: untrue. rake is brutal
(trilema) mike_c: (and the house)
(trilema) mike_c: to the winner
(trilema) mike_c: you are paying 6x the blinds I am
(trilema) mike_c: when i lose, i lose 1x. you lose, you lose 6x
(trilema) mike_c: you have to put up much more money though
(trilema) mike_c: over 1k hands you have no idea what your return is
(trilema) mike_c: statistically insignificat
(trilema) mike_c: 7k on $1mm wagered?
(trilema) mike_c: uh, it's a wash.
(trilema) mike_c: no, bots and collusion are entirely separate
(trilema) mike_c: i have thought. i have played a lot of poker in my time.
(trilema) mike_c: most collusion isn't as profitable as one might think (if at all)
(trilema) mike_c: collusion-free poker is nice, but I think bots are more the problem.
(trilema) mike_c: kindred spirits :)
(trilema) mike_c: just use wordpress
(trilema) mike_c: an open aqueduct is mawkish? you mean.. like a river?
(trilema) mike_c: note kako's wot links don't work for him
(trilema) mike_c: backtick is easier!
(trilema) mike_c: who puts a goddamn forward slash in their nick
(trilema) mike_c: !gettrust crypto/quo
(trilema) mike_c: what an asshole:
(trilema) mike_c: NYC tax is 3.5%
(trilema) mike_c: jurov: yeah, the ones i am looking at don't require that. eurodns is offering them for sale, I have just never heard of them.
(trilema) mike_c: decimation:http://stampd.io/ << someone made a silly-con valley-ized deedbot << yeah, and you have to pay for it with.. paypal!
(trilema) mike_c: anybody ever use https://www.eurodns.com? i'm trying to get some obscure country domain names.
(trilema) mike_c: ;;later tell mircea_popescu you might as well put my name on the wot job. looks like i'm doing it.
(trilema) mike_c: <+BingoBoingo> http://qntra.net/2015/02/your-disk-controller-and-you/ << Prolly the best qntra so far. << I agree. awesome article asciilifeform.
(trilema) mike_c: people will stop taking medical advice from jenny whats-her-name
(trilema) mike_c: the vaccine isn't 100%. i'm not that crazy about it though. i figure a few more outbreaks and this no-vaccince fad will go away quickly.
(trilema) mike_c: which is one reason herd protection is important, which is why danielpbarron is trying to kill my children.
(trilema) mike_c: not most of them
(trilema) mike_c: hm, maybe the acute brain infection will improve your situation
(trilema) mike_c: yeah, that was an actual funny joke.
(trilema) mike_c: (rice trick)
(trilema) mike_c: BingoBoingo: i lol'd. for real.
(trilema) mike_c: they've sold what, 80k so far?
(trilema) mike_c: ben_vulpes: that was when I was auctioning off options in channel. the good old days.
(trilema) mike_c: do something with !rate works though
(trilema) mike_c: gpg sign proves you have the key, not that key & nick are related.
(trilema) mike_c: hn, not that i know of.
(trilema) mike_c: l2 only though
(trilema) mike_c: cmon, that never gets old
(trilema) mike_c: the same thing i do every day.. trying to take over the world.
(trilema) mike_c: good morning!
(trilema) mike_c: oh yeah. of course.
(trilema) mike_c: ascii's qntra debut?
(trilema) mike_c: yeah, comma helps. thanks.
(trilema) mike_c: ohhh, i get it. time for bed i think.
(trilema) mike_c: the body says it is closing for good
(trilema) mike_c: oh, confusing. maybe just change the title?
(trilema) mike_c: cazalla: is pete's article out of date? cavirtex is closing, no temporary about it
(trilema) mike_c: and that's simply the first one i noticed, i didn't continue to find others
(trilema) mike_c: note they have same fingerprint, but with chashew the keyid and fingerprint don't match
(trilema) mike_c: nanotube: here's the weirdness:
(trilema) mike_c: ugh. perhaps.
(trilema) mike_c: i'd like to have unique constraint on fingerprint. maybe boot the offending nicks from the db?
(trilema) mike_c: but there are.
(trilema) mike_c: i want there not to be dupe keys.
(trilema) mike_c: kakobrekla: did you have any thoughts/opinions on wot dupe key issue?
(trilema) mike_c: !s abus* from:jurov
(trilema) mike_c: jurov: but which way do they lean? to kick you or to tell complainer to piss off?
(trilema) mike_c: (not sure if aws would either on that count..)
(trilema) mike_c: did you get abuse reports? did they stand up to those?
(trilema) mike_c: the hidden cost is when it eats shit.
(trilema) mike_c: jurov is. and selling 1 to ascii, 1 to somebody else, etc.
(trilema) mike_c: so if you resold x of them, you could charge $2 per hr / x.
(trilema) mike_c: one-time not the right word. it's $2/hr if any, but not per-box.
(trilema) mike_c: and he'd buy that. he would still complain, but he'd pay.
(trilema) mike_c: down the road, with a bit of scale, you could sell him dedicated instance without ruinous one-time cost aws imposes
(trilema) mike_c: jurov, no, don't lie. you could sell him exactly what he has now, but in btc, and he'd probably switch.
(trilema) mike_c: asciilifeform: so if you could get dedicated instance from jurovvps at non-ruinous cost this would be a good thing.
(trilema) mike_c: listen to what they do, not what they say. marketing 101.
(trilema) mike_c: customer's don't know what they want
(trilema) mike_c: don't listen to what they say. he is paying them, obviously it's the best option right now.
(trilema) mike_c: 1) you're lying because you are hosting nosuchlabs on it right now.
(trilema) mike_c: mhm. for unspecified reasons
(trilema) mike_c: or, vps for btc (dedicated instance coming soon)
(trilema) mike_c: and the service is: computing power for btc
(trilema) mike_c: he said its cpu bound. but you can get IOPS provisioned on aws
(trilema) mike_c: it won't be cheaper. for the same reasons.
(trilema) mike_c: i am arguing that the service will be more reliable and easier to run on aws than colo rack.
(trilema) mike_c: yes, i know. but i don't think you're disagreeing that colo will have lower reliability?
(trilema) mike_c: look at the trouble mpex has had over the years.
(trilema) mike_c: if you buy a rack in a colo you'll never have the same kind of reliability
(trilema) mike_c: but the difficulty of IaaS is why reselling aws makes sense to me.
(trilema) mike_c: hm, that seems different. enterprise cloud management.
(trilema) mike_c: recently? don't think so.
(trilema) mike_c: and does all the time. and is replaced trivially
(trilema) mike_c: why? then when your actual hardware eats shit you're down.
(trilema) mike_c: (in the future)
(trilema) mike_c: well, that's why jurov resells them.
(trilema) mike_c: the cost for dedicated is amortized across all your dedicated instances
(trilema) mike_c: ruinous for 1. not ruinous for many.
(trilema) mike_c: you could hire a service to handle tier 1 monitoring and wake you up if there's an emergency.
(trilema) mike_c: dunno who chashew and bolzer are, but they have the same key.
(trilema) mike_c: mircea_popescu: two lines above are one example.
(trilema) mike_c: (1808,'D515F7D3246A17BC20FDFD17B78C0531B3742186',1308068811,'bolzer',1293858000,0),
(trilema) mike_c: (1632,'D515F7D3246A17BC20FDFD17B78C0531B3742186',1307807825,'chashew',1293858000,0),
(trilema) mike_c: and are more likely to change keys than nicks
(trilema) mike_c: because we know each other by nick?
(trilema) mike_c: well, that's the pgp wot
(trilema) mike_c: i thought fingerprint would/should be unique
(trilema) mike_c: kakobrekla: any opinion?
(trilema) mike_c: Adlai: yeah, but that's not how it's done. so it seems fishy to me.
(trilema) mike_c: hm. is it kosher for two nicks in the wot to have the same gpg key?
(trilema) mike_c: It certainly would tie in with qntra.
(trilema) mike_c: If you want a bunch of people to contribute, the wiki is there. If you basically want to do it yourself, then sure, put it wherever.
(trilema) mike_c: it is specific to bitcoin assets, yes :) History of bitcoin companies seems appropriate. But I think it mostly depends on how much help you want.
(trilema) mike_c: unless it's meant as seo fodder for qntra i guess.
(trilema) mike_c: why not just use the b-a wiki? It already has limited editors.
(trilema) mike_c: but seriously, if there were an L2 editable repository (like the b-a wiki), I'm sure multiple people would contribute
(trilema) mike_c: a million eyes makes everything easy!
(trilema) mike_c: smaller if it's crowdsourced
(trilema) mike_c: crunchbase
(trilema) mike_c: BingoBoingo: that was you!
(trilema) mike_c: somebody was doing that..
(trilema) mike_c: hehe. it's a strategy i suppose.
(trilema) mike_c: physically fighting bullies has a short lifespan. when you get to high school they get a lot stronger.
(trilema) mike_c: bun in the oven
(trilema) mike_c: i have 1.5
(trilema) mike_c: i take back everything i ever said about footnotes.
(trilema) mike_c: oh, wow. that's cool :)
(trilema) mike_c: i want that to be cute but i can't tell if there's a death struggle going on.
(trilema) mike_c: what is it holding?
(trilema) mike_c: !gettrust assbot burnside
(trilema) mike_c: "The site broke new ground for security in the space, integrating Yubikey and Google Authenticator"
(trilema) mike_c: floated around 0045 for a long time
(trilema) mike_c: ben_vulpes: RENT is on big bull run
(trilema) mike_c: RENT just passed one year
(trilema) mike_c: those qntra spikes are important though. 1% of the flash traffic sticks around and becomes regular reader
(trilema) mike_c: it does seem to work now
(trilema) mike_c: you were in the field.
(trilema) mike_c: asciilifeform: did you see the other day that stemming got turned off?
(trilema) mike_c: thestringpuller: quite a hairball :)
(trilema) mike_c: hm. maybe it was just the wrong academia. shit gets published in here, peer reviewed, etc. i guess that's a lot like academia.
(trilema) mike_c: lot's of ratings between l1 members for example
(trilema) mike_c: thestringpuller: remember though, it's not just a tree, it's a forest
(trilema) mike_c: depends what you mean. you lose all sense of l1, l2
(trilema) mike_c: when you add l2 it wants to do things like put nanotube way off by himself because he has a bajillion out nodes
(trilema) mike_c: yeah, for l1 :)
(trilema) mike_c: the one i posted is.. reingold/tilford with the radial layout instead of top-down
(trilema) mike_c: yeah, but you don't get a sense of tiers unless you use a tree layout
(trilema) mike_c: yeah, you need a serious package to handle a lot of nodes/edges. igraph is the only i've found that does a good job so far.
(trilema) mike_c: what's up
(trilema) mike_c: write names inclined 30 degrees << it's a circle, so that only helps depending on where you get placed on the circle. i'm still poking at it though.
(trilema) mike_c: mod6: yeah
(trilema) mike_c: magicaltux is just past 3 o'clock. lots of thick red lines incoming :)
(trilema) mike_c: jurov: you're three right of mircea. thestringpuller is crowding you with his long name.
(trilema) mike_c: he left cuz we're a cult.
(trilema) mike_c: maybe the regex isn't too good
(trilema) mike_c: asciilifeform: stemming is off search.b-a. give it a whirl sometime.
(trilema) mike_c: awesome. thanks.
(trilema) mike_c: i think no-stemming, but having prefix-wildcards should satisfy everyone
(trilema) mike_c: that would be great.
(trilema) mike_c: the argument is basically that stemming is making it harder to find things on search.b-a, not easier
(trilema) mike_c: hello! have you seen the recent revival of the stemming argument.
(trilema) mike_c: ;;seen mthreat
(trilema) mike_c: ;;isitdown bitcoin-assets.com
(trilema) mike_c: but, i am biased as i have join/part turned off.
(trilema) mike_c: if assbot autobans though, it may be actual person next time
(trilema) mike_c: auto-ban seems harsh for something that may not be intentional
(trilema) mike_c: 'doctor, arm hurts' 'ok, i will build robotic arm for you'
(trilema) mike_c: so turn off join/part notifications?
(trilema) mike_c: ugh, god no. academia and i never got along.
(trilema) mike_c: it's not, but previously it wasn't being done. now it is. that's nice.
(trilema) mike_c: yeah, cazalla and BingoBoingo are getting it done.
(trilema) mike_c: I feel like Qntra is working. I haven't had to dirty myself on coindesk in quite awhile
(trilema) mike_c: whatever you have laying around. noodles work
(trilema) mike_c: i blame both of you. thirty lashes.
(trilema) mike_c: oh, and thanks for the link!
(trilema) mike_c: PeterL: "have been released for December" -> January.
(trilema) mike_c: that's what search is for :D
(trilema) mike_c: that's a big one though.
(trilema) mike_c: it was always "you gotta pay for it". most people just don't connect the dots to understand that's what inflation is.
(trilema) mike_c: hehe, yeah, that was a good one
(trilema) mike_c: i just spit out a mouthful of coffee :D "mircea_popescu:it is ANOTHER discussion to propose that you pile all the donkeys on top of the camels and then throw the lot in the river"
(trilema) mike_c: it's been done before
(trilema) mike_c: yeah, so what are you selling?
(trilema) mike_c: TheNewDeal: what are you holding?
(trilema) mike_c: the export lines look ok..
(trilema) mike_c: danielpbarron: can you link me to it
(trilema) mike_c: danielpbarron: looks like you are missing zlib, no?
(trilema) mike_c: <+the_scourge> trust me, those assertions seem like total nonsense to me now, even though i fully believed them as recently as 3 weeks ago << imagine what you'll whole heartedly believe a month from now!
(trilema) mike_c: but that title :D awesome.
(trilema) mike_c: PeterL: nice! i missed having that page.
(trilema) mike_c: felipelalli: ^ that is your protection against coinbr disappearing.
(trilema) mike_c: !gettrust felipelalli jurov
(trilema) mike_c: oops. old habits
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