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danielpbarron: !up napedia
danielpbarron: what's up with your friend, napedia?
napedia: I'm guessing you're talking about Daniel. The answer is that there is an internal split at SNI regarding the block size. Daniel is on the other side of Michael and Pierre.
danielpbarron: aha
danielpbarron: and which side are you on?
napedia: I don't write for SNI. My opinion is that I'd like to see SNI sort it out with economic reasoning and good articles. Pierre's arguments are most persusasive.
danielpbarron: i don't think the issue is limited to SNI; surely you have an opinion on the matter
mircea_popescu: people dun have to have an opinion do they
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_modem
ascii_modem: ty
ascii_modem: BingoBoingo: i killed the alert thing with own hands
ascii_modem: what do you need it back for ?
BingoBoingo: ascii_modem: Was killing in it 0.86
BingoBoingo: *o.8.6
ascii_modem: what do you need .8.6 for ?
BingoBoingo: I run a node on 0.8.6 as a charity for the SPV wallet using freeloaders
mircea_popescu: !up aslan
ascii_modem: BingoBoingo: snip same way, or change the key verif. conditional to 0
BingoBoingo: ascii_modem: Mechanism was actually moved sometime between 0.5.3 and 0.8.6
BingoBoingo: Ended up changine pubkey and commenting the alert trigger out of main.cpp
mircea_popescu: "We do not know what he would have said–it is just possible that the unprocurable pamphlet, 1601, would supply a clue but we may guess that it would have wrecked his reputation and reduced his income to reasonable proportions."
mircea_popescu: orwell couldn't get 1601 lol
ascii_modem: mentioned at least half a dozen 'couldn't gets'
ascii_modem: incl. it
mircea_popescu: books suck. proof.
ascii_modem: gas distribution more reliable than electric... <<< no one has yet devised a way of attaching gas pipes to poles above ground. hence - reliable.
mircea_popescu: shit i hope i have these pics somewhere.
mircea_popescu: miles and miles of overland pipage.
ascii_modem: not in residential streets - at least in usa
ascii_modem: likewise, gas does not short-circuit (nearly constant grid load)
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem do you remember that walk when those gypsy girls accosted you ?
ascii_modem: aha!
mircea_popescu: pipes overhead.
ascii_modem: distribution or mains?
mircea_popescu: i dun even recall.
TheNewDeal: soo anyone interested in buy some no on ?
assbot: BitBet - BTC to rise vs USD in February :: 4.46 B (70%) on Yes, 1.89 B (30%) on No | closing in 2 weeks 2 days | weight: 75`610 (100`000 to 1) ... ( )
ascii_modem: and now that it was mentioned, can those gurlz smell benjies and at what range...?
ascii_modem: (was my hypothesis)
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_modem
ascii_modem: ty
danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.danielkrawisz.-2:9143f035179316633074c1e4c4ce2798d56d610b61fc201aa50d947c24d8451e
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for danielkrawisz from 1 to -2 with note: thinks it is likely that larger blocks would be adopted
ascii_modem: who even was that
mircea_popescu: you know thinking can't be a crime.
danielpbarron: i had a weird feeling about him leading up to this
mircea_popescu: well at the very least express yourself better. i dunno anyone who'd think much of thought crime.
danielpbarron: his argument is that larger blocks mean higher price per BTC
mircea_popescu: 'the devil himself knoweth not the mind of men' as the expression goes.
ascii_modem: i'm still at a loss re: who hoped to achieve what, exactly, by sending in the latest ninjaspamz3r
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem yu don't understand how the world works.
mircea_popescu: i need this as an acronym.
assbot: Who Controls Bitcoin? | Satoshi Nakamoto Institute ... ( )
ascii_modem: clearly not
danielpbarron: "The general rule about Bitcoin upgrades, therefore, is that upgrades which increase Bitcoin's value will be adopted and those which do not will not. Therefore, Bitcoin is not likely to be upgraded in ways which make it easier to regulate because that would decrease the value of the coins. Bitcoin might be upgraded in ways that make it more anonymous because a more anonymous coin would likely be more valuable. An upgrade whi
mircea_popescu: this is such idiocy the likes of which was never seen.
ben_vulpes: ascii_modem: are you talking about the minor pestilence?
ascii_modem: aha
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell danielkrawisz what are you, the second coming of pangloss ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ""It is demonstrable," said he, "that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end. Observe, for instance, the nose is formed for spectacles, therefore we wear spectacles. The legs are visibly designed for stockings, accordingly we wear stockings. Stones were made to be hewn and to construct castles, therefore My Lord ha
mircea_popescu: s a magnificent castle; for the greatest baron in the province ought to be the best lodged. Swine were intended to be eaten, therefore we eat pork all the year round: and they, who assert that everything is right, do not express themselves correctly; they should say that everything is best.""
danielpbarron: also from that article: "The nodes that really matter are the ones that provide valuable services. It doesn't matter if you upgrade. What matters is if Coinbase, BitStamp, and upgrade."
ben_vulpes: big blocks aren't a reality yet.
ben_vulpes: "whatever is is right" has yet to fall
ben_vulpes: big blocks are wrong and won't.
mircea_popescu: lol derp.
mircea_popescu: fine, i'm solkd
ascii_modem: re: stooge squad: simple hypothesis is that the toolkit being used on us was made for others. but - for whom?
ascii_modem: '4chan' ?
mircea_popescu: !rate danielkrawisz -1 go suck a coinbase, bitstamp and whatever cock.
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP:
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.danielkrawisz.-1:0e9ea38f1062dcfd1454f73db6e35003e335253868749cfbf6e95385c3f03dec
assbot: Successfully added a rating of -1 for danielkrawisz with note: go suck a coinbase, bitstamp and whatever cock.
mircea_popescu: << if anyone cares, mark twain's "unprocurable" pornopamphlet. trasnslated.
assbot: Let us translate. From English to English. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
ascii_modem: it needed translation?!?
ben_vulpes: i too boggle somewhat
ascii_modem: i read it as is...
mircea_popescu: no, it didn't.
mircea_popescu: i needed to translate it.
ascii_modem: ah for sport.
mircea_popescu: right. perfectly fine as it is, but what is more tempting than to mess with an accomplished writer's words ?
mircea_popescu: think of it as, "i translated emacs to lisp"
mircea_popescu: or w/e, names not important.
ascii_modem: aha.
mircea_popescu: i think incidentally, that this is the fundamental impulse driving most bowdlerization.
mircea_popescu: it is not the "moral" considerations that drive it. the moral considerations are merely the pretext under which the inept hand takes refuge.
mircea_popescu: derp wants to rewrite X. but how to do it safely ? AH! I KNOW....
ascii_modem: not only bowdlerizations but gavinizations
mircea_popescu: quite possibly.
mircea_popescu: it does make perfect sense in its devilish fatlogic system. lennart wants to matter, yes ? but how to do it safely ? AT JOB!
mircea_popescu: most starlets with youth fading, most inept actresses, most voiceless singers take refuge in scandal, because hey, "being controversial" is a good excuse to never consider if you're in fact any good.
ascii_modem: see orwell's piece on s. dali
mircea_popescu: im nopt that advanced yet.
mircea_popescu: rarely has it been the case that a man did a more thorough job of crushing himself before my eyes.
ascii_modem: touched on the pathology in question
mircea_popescu: and i come from a time and place where they had delatiune
mircea_popescu: which doesn't even exist in english.
mircea_popescu: (delatio -nis)
ascii_modem: what was it ?
mircea_popescu: well the word means false police report for pay. but generally, the sort of late warsaw pact atmosphere.
mircea_popescu: "oh, your wife ? yeah she was writing weekly notes since 1972"
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_modem
mircea_popescu: basically, what the various "law enforcement officers" do in court these days.
ascii_modem: aha, стукачи
mircea_popescu: not exactly.
mircea_popescu: the chief element is familiarity.
mircea_popescu: not very far off at any rate.
ascii_modem: yes that was the original type
ascii_modem: old witch who writes denunciation every day, etc
mircea_popescu: attracts a particularly felonious type, too. there's this guy, who claimed he never worked with the secret police, then they found fiddy pounds worth of notes, at which point he declared that it was the patriotic duty of everyone to help the secret police!
mircea_popescu: well if it was, then wh ythe fuck did you spend five years denying it.
mircea_popescu: "modesty".
ascii_modem: eventually they always turn up, those fiddypounds'o'notes
ascii_modem: i would like the writers to remember this.
mircea_popescu: how was that line, "self serving minds have little trouble overcoming memory" ?
ascii_modem: aha
ascii_modem: battery low and bedtime now
mircea_popescu: alf poetry.
mircea_popescu: !b 2
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( )
mircea_popescu: << b-a, cheaper than lsd!
assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash ... ( )
TheNewDeal: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 342664 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 55 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 9 hours, 6 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 44550240491.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.94073
TheNewDeal: 8% you say gribbble?
mircea_popescu: could be worse.
TheNewDeal: agreed
TheNewDeal: if anyone is interested in the bitbet repurchase, refer to explanation here
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2015 20:41:39; TheNewDeal: Anyone interested in a bitbet repurchase?
TheNewDeal: good evening and good night
TheNewDeal: !down TheNewDeal
mircea_popescu: !t m s.qntr
assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00025399 / 0.00025459 / 0.00026 (5000 shares, 1.27 BTC), 7D: 0.00018731 / 0.00022253 / 0.00026 (28038 shares, 6.24 BTC), 30D: 0.000174 / 0.00022151 / 0.00026 (28655 shares, 6.35 BTC)
mircea_popescu: heh not bad.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 0.00022151 * 158788
gribble: 35.17312988
mircea_popescu: teh media empire worth north of 7k!
mircea_popescu: << check out how helpful reddit is lmao.
assbot: What bitcoin blog, news or content websites do you follow ? : Bitcoin ... ( )
mircea_popescu: seems pretty obvious who's gonna crush everyone. also seems everyone knows it.
thestringpuller: HAH
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100600 @ 0.00039703 = 39.9412 BTC [-]
assbot: 2081 : Everyone Will Finally Be Equal - subtitle pt-br - YouTube ... ( )
cazalla: gee what an afternoon, kid makes a run for it while changing his nappy, i end up covered in shit and then piss
cazalla: and the missus was out so there i stood holding him with one hand to stop him grabbing it and unsure how to clean the mess up with the one remaining hand (got in the shower in the end)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 8012 @ 0.00082934 = 6.6447 BTC [+] {12}
thestringpuller: cazalla: ugh young children. they scare me. i think as I get older I am developing child-phobia.
cazalla: thestringpuller, some days i regret it, some days not, but i could only stand and laugh at this one today
thestringpuller: ;;later tell mircea_popescu re: << Namworld did manage to salvage enough to be usable. Even after his departure its still running, at least for now.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.00039667 = 8.9647 BTC [-] {3}
thestringpuller: ;;later tell PeterL scoopbot is always down when I post new article :P
gribble: The operation succeeded.
cazalla: thestringpuller, "results in a complete loss of any pm’s I may have had open." <<< now it all makes sense!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20164 @ 0.00039644 = 7.9938 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2233 @ 0.00084547 = 1.8879 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116631 @ 0.00039456 = 46.0179 BTC [-]
assbot: ... ( )
davout: does anyone know about MyCoin ?
assbot: Investors fear HK$3b losses in closure of bitcoin trading company | South China Morning Post ... ( )
davout: never heard about it, but apparently they're putting bs&t to shame with a $400mn loss, sounds doubtful
punkman: davout, what kind of hyip would publish actual numbers
cazalla: davout, i think it's a bitcoin company in name only, fiat ponzi otherwise but there is so much conflicting info out there that qntra didn't publish anything as of yet
davout: ok thanks, surprisingly bitcointalk has some info that sounds pretty plausible
assbot: FAKE news: "3 billion HKD lost" in bitcoin exchange runoff ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38600 @ 0.00039456 = 15.23 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00039699 = 5.1609 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23605 @ 0.00039699 = 9.3709 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55303 @ 0.00039456 = 21.8204 BTC [-]
Naphex: o/
danielpbarron: Egypt and Argentina, historically the most advanced countries on their respective continents, also prefer boobs. The U.S. is the only first world nation in the Butt column
assbot: America’s Booty Obsession Is Another Symptom Of Social Decline ... ( )
fluffypony: Naphex:)
Naphex: sup fluffypony
Naphex: :))
fluffypony: how's it going?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18871 @ 0.00039456 = 7.4457 BTC [-]
Naphex: nothing much, working a lot lately
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49329 @ 0.00039398 = 19.4346 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: oh cool - what you up to nowadays?
mike_c: i just spit out a mouthful of coffee :D "mircea_popescu:it is ANOTHER discussion to propose that you pile all the donkeys on top of the camels and then throw the lot in the river"
Naphex: fluffypony: well its going to be something really fun :)
fluffypony: awesome
Naphex: and a bitcoin exclusive. i'll keep it down low a bit until i get closer to launch date :D
Naphex: fluffypony: its porn though :D
fluffypony: well that is quite a change from your last work :-P
danielpbarron: lol
Naphex: hehe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00039946 = 9.2675 BTC [+]
assbot: 2011 Casascius 1 BTC Series-1 ERROR HOLO ... ( )
nubbins`: eff why eye
nubbins`: dat 2011 funding date
mircea_popescu: nubbins` 1.75 not bad
nubbins`: it's the dirtiest coin i have, figured i'd pawn it off and replace with a nicer specimen
thestringpuller: you're going to buy another one with the proceeds?
thestringpuller: lol
nubbins`: incidentally, i have a 1.125oz Canadian numismatic piece from 2013 that I priced the other day... has increased in value by 50% since last summer o.O
nubbins`: thestringpuller not precisely, no.
thestringpuller: my cascius coin is my first bitcoin ever purchased
nubbins`: i'm going to buy another with "my money"
nubbins`: whether this is the same money i receive from the sale of this coin is, i believe, inconsequential
thestringpuller: not incredibly inclined to sell it off for sentimental reasons etc
mircea_popescu thinks this entire "numismatics as an investment" thing is not unlike the "my balcony garden as a tomato farm" thing, but hey.
nubbins`: my first bitcoin ever purchased was smoked
nubbins`: mircea_popescu i really just like shiny things
nubbins`: but once you get an eye for it, you're better able to identify what people will desire in the future
mircea_popescu: lol. nubbins` la pie.
nubbins`: trying to decide if "magnubs" or "nubpie" is the more appropriate portmanteau
nubbins`: anyway
nubbins`: generally numismatics are a poor way to invest money
nubbins`: casascius market is full of fucking morons though
mircea_popescu: a pie a une manie : elle vole tout ce qui brille :D
mircea_popescu: i'd expect it's exactly as full of morons as bitcoin generally, just, you have better benchmarks in that corner.
nubbins`: je voudrais quelque choses, what they are, no one knows!
nubbins`: mircea_popescu you might be onto something
nubbins`: remember the time i sold two 0.5-btc casascius coins for 27 btc? o.O
mircea_popescu: notrly, but i can see it
nubbins`: sadly, i don't think this will be replicated
thestringpuller: such profit
nubbins`: many nod
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00039946 = 4.474 BTC [+]
assbot: Change my name! "I am __ Satoshi __." ... ( )
assbot: Armed Forces applicant cites discrimination over anxiety diagnosis - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News ... ( )
mircea_popescu: derp wants someone to pay for his surgery because one month's worth of government dole is too much for him ?
nubbins`: kid's a natural soldier, just look at him
mircea_popescu: i meant the butter zone idjit.
nubbins`: nod
nubbins`: wait, surgery?
nubbins`: i thought he just wanted someone to pay $500 for him to change his middle name
nubbins`: also, who the fuck hates the name "jonathan" so much that they wanna change it? what a loser
nubbins`: ;;google jonathan richman since she started to ride
gribble: Jonathan Richman - Since She Started to Ride - YouTube: <>; Jonathan Richman- "Since She Started to Ride" 40 Watt Club 2/6/10 ...: <>; Jonathan Richman – Since She Started to Ride – Listen and ...: <>
nubbins`: ^ first link, straight up
nubbins`: “I just want to do some time for my country, give it some service,” Cooper, 17, told CBC News.
nubbins`: do some time? give it some service?
nubbins`: i think the kid is unsure as to whether the armed forces is a prison or a gang bang
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1974 @ 0.0007821 = 1.5439 BTC [-] {6}
nubbins`: leaving aside the fact that the kid faked a SINGLE panic attack TWO YEARS AGO in order to get out of an exam
nubbins`: and was put on prozac and diagnosed with a DISORDER
mircea_popescu: lol sounds porny.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43350 @ 0.00039203 = 16.9945 BTC [-]
nubbins`: "I don't think that people should have to hide the fact that they have a mental illness," Cooper said.
nubbins`: lel
nubbins`: "i don't think people should have to hide the fact that they have blood-borne pathogens" says the guy with Hep C who can't donate blood
mircea_popescu: more importantly, who can't donate sperm. to women. directly.
mircea_popescu: anyway, people only should hide the fact that they have a mental ilness if they wish to get shot.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, my measure to resolve the "police violence" thing would be a) everyone with a mental issue must wear a funny hat.
nubbins`: i thought that's why cops wore funny hats.
mircea_popescu: it is.
mircea_popescu: but too one-sided.
davout: today #b-a explains the fedoras thing
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: <<< i tell you, getting the girls only, and after a decade or two is the best policy.
assbot: Logged on 09-02-2015 08:48:34; cazalla: gee what an afternoon, kid makes a run for it while changing his nappy, i end up covered in shit and then piss
mircea_popescu: davout: never heard about it, but apparently they're putting bs&t to shame with a $400mn loss, sounds doubtful << yeah srsly, sounds like pure bs.
mircea_popescu: 1mn dollars AVERAGE exposure over 3k investors ?
davout: 400mn loss for 3000 investors -> 133k/investor
mircea_popescu: yeah in usd. still, this is like mpoe level, i very much doubt it.
mircea_popescu: it's possible, obviously, the chinese are nazi-private, but i dun really see it.
davout: the whole thing is pure bs
davout: according to some random bitcointalk dude the chinese journalist computed the loss by multiplying fake bitcoins on the order book by the current market price
asciilifeform: ;;bc,stats
mircea_popescu: oh lol
mircea_popescu: heh nm.
gribble: Current Blocks: 342729 | Current Difficulty: 4.44554159623438E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 344735 | Next Difficulty In: 2006 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 22 hours, 36 minutes, and 23 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 66783348140.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 50.22545
asciilifeform: 326535.
mircea_popescu: in this sense... ethereum will be a loss to people.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform neat. this the pc valgrind ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha
asciilifeform: i kinda forgot why i even set that one up
asciilifeform: iirc, we already know what there is to know re: that version
mircea_popescu: assbot: America’s Booty Obsession Is Another Symptom Of Social Decline << i also like ass.
mircea_popescu: yes but you;re supposed to let things finish
asciilifeform: that must've been it
asciilifeform: plus to see if can get any of the legendary wedges
mircea_popescu: mhm
mircea_popescu: mike_c like the butcher said, "i merely follow the lulzlines already present".
mike_c: hehe, yeah, that was a good one
mircea_popescu: to a large degree, it was obvious that once we move from "inflation pays for it" to "you gotta pay for it" the "consumers have come to expect" were going to throw a shitfest.
mircea_popescu: what that changes... ask them, not me, to borrow an alfism.
mike_c: it was always "you gotta pay for it". most people just don't connect the dots to understand that's what inflation is.
mircea_popescu: god preserve me from heresy but! so far inflaiton has actually been beneficial for bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: one could never have made a bitcoin without a block reward. this, of course, means that we now have a promise to renege on. but i'm not about to start reneging on promises.
thestringpuller makes note to look at this specific log later with popcorn in hand
asciilifeform: wai, wat, promise ?
mike_c: 21m
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. "bitcoin will continue to function as before"
mircea_popescu: not merely 21mn.
mike_c: that's a big one though.
mircea_popescu: biggest, yes.
mircea_popescu: but economy is built on money and thus fungible. a bunch of small ones add up.
asciilifeform: '...with strange eons even death may die' etc
mircea_popescu: beheading naked kings on the vaguest whiff of approaching even small ones -> best policy.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42900 @ 0.00040139 = 17.2196 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Kenneth Douglas Says He Had Sex With Up to 100 Dead Bodies ... ( )
asciilifeform: 'A key piece of evidence was Douglas’ wife’s testimony that when she called to report her husband coming home from work smelling like sex and alcohol, she was told “whatever happens on county property, in county time, is county business.”'
asciilifeform: ^ mega-l0l
mircea_popescu: cunty biznis.
mircea_popescu: !up xeal
mircea_popescu: it's a fact that beards grow after death. i wonder if women lubricate through a similar process.
mircea_popescu: one of those things only a mortician would know./
asciilifeform: iirc not grow but fail to shrink at pace with the rest of the face
asciilifeform: and hence appear to grow
mircea_popescu: right.
asciilifeform: the subject of juices was explored in some detail in the famous comic 'sexy losers'
asciilifeform: to which the word 'fap' is also credited
mircea_popescu: i neversaw this ?
thestringpuller: I wonder why justusravnier "wants adoption" his other blogposts seem sane...
thestringpuller: I guess people just don't like being told, "Hey you're poor, and excluded from this cool thing nao cause you are useless. Kthxbai."
mircea_popescu: i dunno. sent him a no answer yet.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2015 05:10:16; mircea_popescu: justusranvier
davout: thestringpuller: no, some people had, buried somewhere in them, the idea that bitcoin would not only be money, but 'nice money'
davout: 'fair money'
asciilifeform: davout: 'Yes, it was once the case that you had to be a financier to send an intact penny across the ocean. But the fact that Bitcoin enables you to do so does not turn you into a financier. Nobody cancelled “money makes money.” It would be rather like demanding that an asteroid should have the gravitational pull of Earth. The Third Rock From The Sun can hold an atmosphere and your piece of cosmic flotsam can’t. Such
asciilifeform: is life. Quantity still has “a quality all its own.” Ten million dollars buys you a money printer, but ten dollars do not. Not even a proportionately-smaller one. Everyone who hopes to see some kind of democratizing influence in Bitcoin is gravely misguided: by some indications, the Bitcoin ecosystem is at least as “top heavy” as the world of meatspace finance.' << my ancient article
mircea_popescu: << shitty ux omfg.
assbot: #262 - Chafed Dickens [5 of 5] ... ( )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly.
thestringpuller: davout how is money ever fucking fair? one person having more resources that are finite means another person has less?!?!?
davout: thestringpuller: 'fair money' exists in the mind of redditards, don't ask me what it means
mircea_popescu: davout daughter of the wider insanity "everything new is better" married with the patently nuts "better is what i imagine it to be".
thestringpuller: so people are entitled to use bitcoin...why?
mircea_popescu: coming from people who utterly refuse to admit they;d be better off in chains in someone;'s basement... well... what's to be expected.
thestringpuller: "Because it's my fucking right to use bitcoin even though I contribute nothing to it."
davout: yeah, also low fees pl0x
thestringpuller: Oh yea, we need to check our bitcoin privelage... >:(
davout: "sure you can use bitcoin if you want to"
davout: TCHCTE yo
asciilifeform: refuse to admit they;d be better off in chains in someone;'s basement << afaik most of'em are boys and thus can expect only butugychag
mircea_popescu: expect != better off.
mircea_popescu: << ahahah
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asciilifeform: meant, who needs them in basement? not me.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do yo uknow these people ?
asciilifeform: which
mircea_popescu: sexy losers
thestringpuller: this is like coworker who brings team down but is never fired because government keeps them working
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not personally. but i thought it was one of the most famous www comics ever published
thestringpuller: So the redditards want to impose straight up communism on us?
mircea_popescu: So please do not send me the following types of E-mail: "commission requests -- I just do not have the time for commissions"
mircea_popescu: wtf is wrong wit hthe world.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i never saw an online comic before oglaf.
asciilifeform: there were as many as drops in the sea
asciilifeform: i knew about 'oglaf' and 'sexy losers.'
asciilifeform: the only memorable ones i ever saw.
asciilifeform: the latter has been dead for many years, iirc
danielpbarron: even i briefly authored a web commic, although i don't think any copies of it remain anywhere
mircea_popescu: abadoned 2009 so mkay.
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mircea_popescu: by the way, if ne1 here has a fetlife account, i finally moved over, drop me a line.
mircea_popescu: bwahahah
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danielpbarron: The sexual desire is a God given desire (Romans 11:36) and it is not evil in and of itself (Romans 14:14). Moreover, God has made a way for even those who are not married (male or female), or those who are away from their spouse (like a soldier at war), to at least somewhat satisfy the sexual drive via masturbation. It is oppressive to teach that such an act is against the will o
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mircea_popescu: the entire "every sperm is sacred" thing is more reaction-catholicism than anything.
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danielpbarron: catholics freely admit that they don't follow the Bible, and that some guy with a funny hat can arbitrarily change the rules as he pleases
ben_vulpes: it is all a bit silly.
mircea_popescu: actualy, papal infallibility is ancient law.
mircea_popescu: also reaction catholicism, but more 600ish than 1800ish
ben_vulpes: right up there with the sovereignty of sovereigns.
mircea_popescu: hey, technically a valid claim. all of europe exists as embezzled provinces of the roman empire.
mircea_popescu: o wait. i thought you meant the pope's (abandoned) claim of sovereignity over teh sovereigns.
davout: aaaaaand we're back to hats for nutjobs
mircea_popescu: speaking of hats for nutjobs, always remember to wear your condom!
danielpbarron: lol
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, condoms = masturbation don't they.
mircea_popescu: << bwahahah.
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mircea_popescu: "hey, suicide guy, you gonna kill youself ?" "yeah. life sucks." "wanna fuck first ?" "no, you freak!" "i guess ima have to wait for your body to wash ashore."
danielpbarron: in Bible terms, it's enough to "lay with" someone, or "know her," or "see her nakedness" ; not sure a condom would get in the way of those things
davout: danielpbarron: i heard gavin andresen wants to add a couple extra chapters to it, for moar adopshun
danielpbarron: he wouldn't be the first
mircea_popescu: considering how it came to be...
mircea_popescu: "oh, people mock us for being essentially jew torrent artists ? FINE. WRITE A CONTINUATION."
davout: christians are on gavinbible, jooz run pogobibles
danielpbarron: jews add too; they have sets of books of "oral tradition" separate from the scriptures
davout: danielpbarron: it's ok to have sidechains!
mircea_popescu: davout well the split happened after some pretty heavy duty pruning.
davout: mircea_popescu: what pruning?
mircea_popescu: the jew books are about 5x the new+old testament.
davout: ah, i see
asciilifeform: approx. the same size as a set of 'britannica.'
mircea_popescu: and yes, on top of that there's a web of commentary stretching out approx to the roman period.
mircea_popescu: roughly about the same weight as what in europe constitutes "the humanities".
mircea_popescu: the us doesn't have an equivalent.
ben_vulpes: asshat talmud when
mircea_popescu: (so a bunch of idiot chicks are trying to write it, out of boring gender and race stories)
mircea_popescu: in fact, as ridiculous as mormonism is, he is an exact copy. the cultural relationship between judaism and christianity is exactly the same as between christianity and mormonism : a barely literate lout ran off with a few pages and made his own, self-important "variant",
mircea_popescu: much in the way kids used to replace the "made by" strings in the old 8086 days with a hex editor.
asciilifeform: fork
nubbins`: re: sexy losers
nubbins`: any of you remember when it was called "the thin H line"?
asciilifeform: me.
nubbins`: iirc the guy got outed in meatspace and had to "disappear" the old name
nubbins`: turns out he worked with kids in some capacity? heh
asciilifeform: now this - i never knew.
nubbins`: i can't recall the details, but i feel like at the time it was a sort of "english teacher overseas" thing
mircea_popescu: seems he lives in japan
nubbins`: and his employers caught whiff of this necro-mastur-porn comic he did
mircea_popescu: english teacher ;likely thing for a foreigner there to do.
nubbins`: it went down for a while, came back as "sexy losers"
mircea_popescu: mebbe he actually went because he wanted to jacvk off to 12yo jap gals.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu you probably would not be surprised at how common this is
nubbins`: speaking from experience, roughly half of all ESL teachers are "strange"
mircea_popescu: indeed.
asciilifeform: at one point, it was possible for virtually anyone who speaks engl. to find work in jp 'teaching'
asciilifeform: ('90s-?)
nubbins`: incidentally, a guy i went to uni with, and whom i help get oriented on his first day in south korea, is now a straight-up major label pop star
nubbins`: asciilifeform 90s-late 2000s
nubbins`: technically 90s-present depending on your tolerance for working illegally
mircea_popescu: fwiw, this particular sort of strange would definitely benefit from support more than OUTRAGE OMG!!1
mircea_popescu: on one hand, it does exactly nothing to anyone, including the kids in question, that some weirdo jacks off.
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, man... that's some serious issues.
mircea_popescu: on my tenuous grasp of insanity, it'd seem that it's an entirely vacuous thing, which takes the shape you impose upon it. if you insist it's dangerous... it will probably grow some dangerous appendages. if you treat it as benign, it will basically be benign.
nubbins`: it's only okay to have /some/ mental illnesses
mircea_popescu: i dunno what's more alienating than the bizarre that obviously feeds this comic strip.
nubbins`: hm i recall this one SL comic
mircea_popescu: i mean, neurosis is one thing. this however...
nubbins`: girl goes to porn audition, guy says "we have roles left in two films: 'beaten to death by hard cock' and 'do not talk to me, just cum on my face'"
nubbins`: girl says "hmmmmm"
nubbins`: later seen in change room, face glazed, asking girl covered in bruises "so what film were you in?"
mircea_popescu: is this like a blonde joke ?
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mircea_popescu: << lolz.
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ben_vulpes: blast from the past!
mircea_popescu: back when you were shy ?
ben_vulpes: dunno that i've ever been shy
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: but you have been coy ;)
cazalla: nubbins`: incidentally, a guy i went to uni with, and whom i help get oriented on his first day in south korea, is now a straight-up major label pop star <<< western kpop stars exist?
nubbins`: ;;google used cassettes
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cazalla: nubbins`, not my sorta music, i'll stick to hyuna
nubbins`: ;;google crying nut circus magic wanderers
gribble: Crying Nut - Circus Magic - YouTube: <>; 100Beat's 100 Best Korean Albums of the '90s - Rate Your Music: <>; South Korean punk discography - Tian An Men 89 Records: <>
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thestringpuller: << moar lulz!!!!
thestringpuller: i love this block size/hard fork "debate"
mircea_popescu: "It's largely engineers who think about it in terms of game theory. They think that if you have unlimited blocksize, then the cost of transactions will go to zero because there will always be a competitor that is willing to include transactions even if you're charging X. They believe this will cause a race to bottom and there won't be any incentive for miners to secure the network because they can't cover costs.
mircea_popescu: I think of it from the perspective of utility. "
mircea_popescu: o look at it, suddenly the arguments that didn't exist now exist ?
mircea_popescu: except they don't have a source, somehow, magically ?
mircea_popescu: "something i heard from all the people that all read trilema but i won't mention this"
asciilifeform: 'Ye Queene.—O' God's name, who hath favored us? Hath it come to pass yt a fart shall fart itself?'
mircea_popescu: what i find comedic is the sort of schmuck that thinks he'll survive on intellectual dishonestly. here's the story : if i made it and you stole it, whatever you think about it and however you're representing it... it'll still work for me. not for you. that's the thing with culture.
mircea_popescu: five years ago romania was replete with kids who rewrote trilema articles about this and that to be like all cool and civilised and worldly and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: five years later... shit, it's the same thing. herp.
mircea_popescu: but anyway : it's not "mostly engineers". it's 100% of all the business people actually involved with bitcoin.
pete_dushenski: maybe "mostly engineers" are those horse-riding folk
pete_dushenski: the ones who can code a bit
thestringpuller: o look a pete_dushenski
mircea_popescu: at any rate, all this talk of "utility of bitcoin" can get fucked. it's a flimsy if doomed and in any case transparent attempt to frame the question in fiat terms.
thestringpuller: gotten me writin' blog posts again
thestringpuller: :P
mircea_popescu: the utility OF EVERYTHING justifies itself in bitcoin terms.
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: heya :)
mircea_popescu: bitcoin itself is money. that means BEYOND ANY UTILITY CONSIDERATION.
mircea_popescu: fucking period.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: what I don't get is why people are freaking out they will have to pay a lot of money to use the system?
mircea_popescu: all it has to do is make sure it's the best money. which it did. once that's done, utility is not a concern. you will work the blockchain if you have to do it by hand in dank cellars chained to the wall,
pete_dushenski: like the sun is energy
mircea_popescu: and ship the results by horse courrier
thestringpuller: How do poor people have this much energy to be this vocal about something they will not be able to control...
mircea_popescu: repackaging of ther "oh, utility of mining, all that electrictiy burned for nothing" crapolade.
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: because that's what makes them poor
pete_dushenski: as per the definition
mircea_popescu: the point of money is exactly this : that it may not itself be measured. there's no "utility" of money. it exclusively exists to measure everything else.
asciilifeform: if fleas could speak, i imagine they would be similarly vocal about the proper behaviour of dogs
pete_dushenski: their energy has no utility
mircea_popescu: every redditard's mother, can be measured in bitcoin.
pete_dushenski: to which:
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pete_dushenski: man i know how to time it
pete_dushenski: i'm generous enough to propose that the value of a free and productive man is a bitcent
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: Yes, but back in the day people would just die after wasting too much energy trying to change something absolute in inevitability. (Doing rain dances during droughts instead of looking into irrigation).
thestringpuller: It's like the dinosaurs getting mad at mammals instead of the asteroid or something like that.
pete_dushenski: "what is the utility of a centimetre!"
thestringpuller: !b 1
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pete_dushenski: "Cathy Engelbert has been named chief executive of Deloitte LLP, the first woman to become CEO of one of the Big Four accounting firms in the U.S."
pete_dushenski: oh sweet another fallguy
mircea_popescu: what big four ? one of them died with enron neh ?
mircea_popescu: are they bringing the corpse back in on the quiet ?
pete_dushenski: pwc, deloitte...
pete_dushenski: google says kpmg, e&y
mircea_popescu: o they just promoted one
pete_dushenski: myea guess so
mircea_popescu: no more arthur andersen
pete_dushenski: the "new" 4 are all $25-35 bn in annual revenue
pete_dushenski: 160k-210k employees
pete_dushenski: so roughly of comparable size
mircea_popescu: funny, aa had like 80k iirc.
mircea_popescu: apparently accountancy become a pretty good business in the us, past decade.
mircea_popescu: who knew that expropriation creates bureaucracy1
pete_dushenski: you nailed it: 85k employees, $9bn revenue in '02
mircea_popescu: so "twice the money" except it's probably the same value,
mircea_popescu: and twice the employees so half the real salaries.
pete_dushenski: sure, that's be like what 6% inflation over 13 years
pete_dushenski: closer to 5 even
pete_dushenski: and wikitardia is saying that aa was part of the "big five"
mircea_popescu: retrospectively ?
pete_dushenski: seems so ? link for "big five" goes to "big four" article...
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: it all makes sense in retrospect!
pete_dushenski: "of course the usd was going to vanish!"
mircea_popescu: "we said so all along"
pete_dushenski: oh and another scoop from yesterday:
assbot: This is how it feels. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( )
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski the vid is actually quite credible.
mircea_popescu: it has the look.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to this day there are rumours that the food was 'hidden somewhere' by usg stooges to cause shortages.
mircea_popescu: ayup
asciilifeform: and widely believed.
mircea_popescu: "the good tzar"
mircea_popescu: "it is not possible we just simply suck. our excellent goodness is hidden somewhere. if we coud just unleash the real we..."
asciilifeform: moar like 'it is not possible that the burst of suction came at just the ideally convenient time, direction, and vacuum pressure.'
asciilifeform: (without help)
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: that video was quite literally one of that saddest things i've seen in months
asciilifeform: wai wat ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform am i hiding all the good nsa agents somewhere too ?
asciilifeform: l0l
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: all the good agents are busy hunting for ilfak guilfanov, they wanna find new version of 'ida pro'.
asciilifeform: best theory
asciilifeform: (he and his sales derps are notoriously hard to get a hold of. one of the smallest - moneywise - and simultaneously ill-behaved monopolies i know of!)
pete_dushenski: wiki says ilfak lives in liege
pete_dushenski: not a huge place afaik
asciilifeform: aha now go buy from him.
mircea_popescu: it's only a monopoly by virtue of everyone else being retards
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: how else.
mircea_popescu: oh , im sorry. "do-ocracistst"
mircea_popescu: well, normally monopoly is like this : i hire five ex convicts to beat up any boy that stands up, thus leaving me the only eligible teenager i nthe highschool. because no girl wants to fuck any of the other losers.
asciilifeform: it's a genuine monopoly, vs. usg derpopoly. as in, there is literally nothing that is fit to so much as lick the product's boots
mircea_popescu: THIS monopoly is more like, i'm the only kid that washes.
mircea_popescu: not a monopoly in any sense.
mircea_popescu: this is good and proper natural-ness. things as they should be.
asciilifeform: 'coca colas' with no 'pepsis' at their heels tend to grow stupider
pete_dushenski: because ida isn't supressing competition
pete_dushenski: not like ilfak is lobbying the state
asciilifeform: one can do a certain amount of 'suppression' just by being l33t enough
mircea_popescu: this is not supression.
asciilifeform: as in, everybody else gives up.
mircea_popescu: yeah. that's what's supposed to happen.
asciilifeform: net effect, one guy
asciilifeform: who starts going mad in his juices
mircea_popescu: it's not a matter of effects. it's a matter of causes.
asciilifeform: not that there is really any pill against this kind of thing
mircea_popescu: moreover, this "follow effects bs" is what leads one to "property is theft"
asciilifeform: but it's a problem, and anyone even casually involved in the field (of named example) is aware of it
mircea_popescu: after all, "the net effect is same"
mircea_popescu: i fail to see how it is a problem.
mircea_popescu: explain it to me.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the proggy is a misery to use; works very half-heartedly anywhere other than winblows; costs $maxint; and, more direly, is not especially actively maintained. but there is nothing remotely like an alternative, not even a 'distant second', nor is anyone (afaik) remotely contemplating the idea of making one.
mircea_popescu: but i mean the problem.
mircea_popescu: so far all we got is "x sucks"
asciilifeform: x sucks and no competition
asciilifeform: because the hero is not yet born.
mircea_popescu: this can't be a problem. it's like mp's triangle : x sucks , no competition, anyone cares.
mircea_popescu: pick two.
asciilifeform: no one cares -enough-
mircea_popescu: so then.
asciilifeform: local maxima.
mircea_popescu: so then sit in your locale and be happy
mircea_popescu: why do you wanna go in locales you don't like the maxima.
pete_dushenski: seems like alf just "wishes it were better"
pete_dushenski: and would probably even endeavour to make it so if "only had the time"
mircea_popescu: every wish is sacred, every wish is good...
mircea_popescu: but i can see his point. waste of time to go into the guts of windows.
pete_dushenski: just my reading between the lines
mircea_popescu: so... don't.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: try to realize that to the extent reverse-engineered drivers exist for various things, the entire undertaking stands - and falls - on w4r3z 'ida pro' as much as on leaked/stolen docs
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i understand that part.
asciilifeform: it's one of the elephants/tortoises on which the entire thing shakily stands.
asciilifeform: and it's a lame elephant with gangrenous legs.
pete_dushenski: turtle swimming through the stars...
mircea_popescu: and you're right in pointing out that ida is probably a thing to rewrite, alongside gpg, etc
asciilifeform: dwarfs most of the projects we've discussed here in the sheer intrinsic gnarliness.
mircea_popescu: which is why not muchly discussed.
asciilifeform: the part i was trying to answer was 'why do you wanna go in locales you don't like the maxima'
mircea_popescu: it may be the case that the maxima is fine.
mircea_popescu: ie, that's the best that can be had.
asciilifeform: winblows is axiomatically not part of any future 'best that can be had' that i'm willing to interoperate with.
mircea_popescu: yeah why the fucxk did the guy write it in win anywa
asciilifeform: as a usg appendage, it is for the furnace.
asciilifeform: why orcs tend to write, think, live, breathe in winblows, is worthy of its own thread.
asciilifeform: but it is a well-established fact
asciilifeform: unfortunately.
asciilifeform: my understanding is that ru, cn folks, by and large, never gave even a basic fuck re: open source whatever, until very recently and still insignificantly
mircea_popescu: odd.
asciilifeform: because on no account did anyone there remotely contemplate paying for software
asciilifeform: or foreign warez being unavailable
mircea_popescu: but that's not really what's deriving it.
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mircea_popescu: i suppose the problem is that the us is fully aspirational, whereas the ru world a lot more practical.
asciilifeform: aha
pete_dushenski: i think it's the "it worked for the us" thing again
asciilifeform: cn - same
mircea_popescu: no dude seriously contemplates telling parents / prospect / parents of prosepct that "he contributes to wikipedia"
pete_dushenski: same as concrete highways to nowhere
mircea_popescu: odd that foss got a lot further in latin america.
mircea_popescu: if it were "it worked for us" it'd be mre latin america and less ru.
mircea_popescu: not the other way around.
pete_dushenski: romania too afaik
asciilifeform: there is also a parallel, historical explanation
pete_dushenski: likes foss
asciilifeform: in late-years ussr, university education included unix
asciilifeform: but all the native pdp clones, their unixen, etc. were sent to the dump
asciilifeform: when native, and then imported ibm pc compatibles appeard
mircea_popescu: hm.
asciilifeform: instantly - msdos and then winblows
mircea_popescu: odd.
pete_dushenski: latin america has really only imitated the us to the extent that they've been forced to
asciilifeform: by the time it became practical to keep a unix box at home in ru, most of the 'candidates' for this were already enjoying the rewards of writing elaborate winblows crapware, etc.
pete_dushenski: russia has done so because... grocery stores
mircea_popescu: basically the problem is negative incentives. lots of money to be made from windows holes.
asciilifeform: not primarily holes
asciilifeform: but warez
asciilifeform: the tradition of parasitizing on foreign devs for virtually all needs - continued
mircea_popescu shrugs.
asciilifeform: somewhat tangentially, it was never at all likely that a thing like 'ida' would be produced by anyone other than a thinking man who happens to be a hardcore winblows user.
mircea_popescu: not enough need ?
asciilifeform: have to be a fanatical scholar of winblowsism.
mircea_popescu: true, this.
mircea_popescu: obviously, it has source code, right ?
asciilifeform: referring here to instances where microshit sources leaked ?
asciilifeform: (or what)
mircea_popescu: no, ida itself.
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: it's not hand written straight into bytecode.
mircea_popescu: so at some point the corp's gonna go bankrupt and you can buy the code then
mircea_popescu: prolly for cheap as nobody cares.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: gonna bet that it'll end up in the same place as symbolics sources
mircea_popescu: where's that ?
asciilifeform: usg limbo
asciilifeform: 'dog in the manger'
mircea_popescu: this is not very clear.
mircea_popescu: and what were symbolics sources in anyway, cl ?
asciilifeform: i happen to know with fair degree of certainty that the number one buyer of 'ida' is usg.
asciilifeform: at least, as of several years ago.
mircea_popescu: hm.
asciilifeform: the symbolics sources in the usual sense (of lisp) are largely on 'pirate bay'. but they are quite useless without the chip design.
mircea_popescu: hey, any foxy force five chicks in the audience : there's a job to bust into the liege offices of a tiny firm and steal source code. catsuit optional. get in touch.
asciilifeform: as an experiment, i spoke to dave schmidt (actual person, went to his house, bought an ancient machine.) pleasant old man. and asked re: buying docs. he claimed that he was not at liberty to sell, at any price, due to pacts with usg.
asciilifeform: as far as i remember the conversation, that's the part that stuck with me.
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mircea_popescu: well, so you can have them post-usg
asciilifeform: ^ used to be '' - oldest registered .com - in fact. but dks sold it to spammers (yes) to pay bills a few yrs ago.
mircea_popescu: not entirely clear to me who cares about an obsolete chip design, but hey.
asciilifeform in his judgement does not believe it to be 'obsolete' in the normal sense of the word.
cazalla: ;;rate -10000 scoopbot lazy, doesn't come around these parts much anymore
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mircea_popescu: mebbe you're right.
mircea_popescu: ;;seen peterl
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pete_dushenski: cazalla: i concur wholeheartedly
asciilifeform: foxy force five chicks << the funny part is that very little would change re: the situation of 'ida' if the author published his sources tomorrow.
asciilifeform: it's in gnarly, stinking cpp, similar to bitcoind...
mircea_popescu: dude what is this thing, everyone can make sites nobody can keep them online.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform listen. wanting for the sake of want is not enough. you gotta want something.
asciilifeform: ... and want enough.
asciilifeform: as in, willing to bleed
asciilifeform: this point is under-appreciated
asciilifeform: (to any 'symbolics' fans: my investigations suggest - but do not prove! that the rights to the assets were purchased, several years ago, by an nsa shill corp. for somewhere south of 5m usd.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform by the way, for what it's worth you should probably make a complete wish list and publish it.
mircea_popescu: you never know what the next bundle of leaks includes, or who's a reader.
mircea_popescu: so far the biggest problem anon suffers from is that it doesn't really know what to get.
pete_dushenski: "On the 1st of October 2014 we invested ฿1 in the house bank of the top 9 bitcoin gambling investments sites"
asciilifeform: the truly interesting leaks would be the 'great mysteries' cited in - but the boojum lies in the total impossibility of authenticating any such leak.
assbot: Loper OS » A Country of Which Nothing is Known but the Name. ... ( )
pete_dushenski: result: "37% scam rate & -24% ROI in 5 months"
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski hehehe sounds bout right.
pete_dushenski: because who needs a wot amirite ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform again, wanting for the sake of wanting is no gooid. you gotta want something.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski tell em not me :D
pete_dushenski: lol this cult is the best choir though
asciilifeform: i'll elaborate re: above: 'directorate xxx was unable to break rsa despite five quadrillion bezzlars blown in five years' is only mildly interesting because directorate yyy might have a functioning voodoo doll from whose arsehole keys drip on demand. etc.
asciilifeform: leak cannot 'prove a negative'
mircea_popescu: practical. "i want the chip designs for the original symbolics. i want pictures of malia obama eating out sasha obama. i want the average bra size of us uniforms"
mircea_popescu: actionable stuff.
mircea_popescu: lol
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thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "Who's actually arguing this? The Romanian camel dude?"
thestringpuller: ^LOL
mircea_popescu: huh ?
thestringpuller: < from redditards
thestringpuller: i thought it was funny. i laugh at beavis and butthead. reddit is pretty much that.
mircea_popescu: shit, reddit was mike judge's comeback all along ?
mircea_popescu: fuck, son... i am surprist.
thestringpuller: just need to wait from some kid to die from doing something they saw on reddit
thestringpuller: "The world doesn't need millions of copies of the blockchain. 10,000 copies is probably enough." << the pseudo-arguments just get funnier and funnier
danielpbarron: why not one copy run by gavin himself?
mircea_popescu: there's little funnier than watching the socialist/libertard lot coming to terms with the notiopn that their collective anal rings are gripping on my cock whenever i feel like.
mircea_popescu: the only serious promise bitcoin makes is, there's more of that to come.
asciilifeform: where is the sign that they are coming to terms with any of it ?
thestringpuller: "No, Gavin said this can still run on a normal internet connection. Other alt-coin have "master node" and all that crap. Nobody force anyone to be a full node, and nobody that is currently running a full node is complaining.
thestringpuller: The idea is not to prevent bitcoin but to empower it."
mircea_popescu: "oh, we're so right and in agreement and important and relevant!111"
thestringpuller: LOL. "But Gavin told us it does run on "normal" internet"
thestringpuller: !ascii pogo count
thestringpuller: lolol
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, frantic activity is not just a cover-up for impotence. it is also the first step towards acceptance.
asciilifeform: all i can see (with admittedly untrained eye) is the usual daily anthill
asciilifeform: and its usual motions
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: it's like person who struggling under water while drowning
mircea_popescu: well yes. an anal ring is, the usual cellular chemistry, and biodynamics.
mircea_popescu: just, it pulsates around a different pole these days is all.
mircea_popescu: minor point, obviously.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: first tehy scream and panic and eventually just take it
thestringpuller: like stages of grief it appears
mircea_popescu: lawl.
assbot: #141 - Four Boobies and a Funeral II ... ( )
mircea_popescu: you know, the entire point of the "hypocrisy" of civilisation, and the accumulated pile of ridiculous, wrong and stupid
mircea_popescu: it's all here to avoid this situation.
mircea_popescu: also not bad
assbot: #146 - Finger Play III ... ( )
danielpbarron: "GIT - the stupid content tracker, the revision control system heavily used by the Linux kernel team" << description of git package in gentoo, lol
mircea_popescu: what's gentoo use ?
danielpbarron shrugs
mircea_popescu: inb4 perl
BingoBoingo: << Engineering oversight mega-lol
asciilifeform: !s phototransistors
assbot: 2 results for 'phototransistors' :
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo ^
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm just wondering why they included the bare silicon die sitting atop solder balls. I know their goal is "cheap" but it seems like they crossed over into "cheap"
mircea_popescu: it's small.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: SOP in chinese crap. but traditionally there is a blob of black epoxy over them. in this case - starvation-cheap, omitted the epoxy.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92800 @ 0.00039163 = 36.3433 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42000 @ 0.00039597 = 16.6307 BTC [+] {2}
cazalla: while i sit here and eat the carrot cake i made last night and enjoy a cuppa, you know what would be really good? a cake tin that bakes slices of cake so that every slice is an end bit
mircea_popescu: what are you, elaine ?
cazalla: funny you mention that, a slice and the topper of son's first birthday cake is in the freezer.. will remain there for god knows how long
mircea_popescu: knew a guy that actually buried it with a tree he planted.
mircea_popescu: then when the kid was like 12, some dude drove into the tree
mircea_popescu: sawed it right off. then this guy was about to kill the driver while waitig for ambulance
BingoBoingo: !b 4
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cazalla: i'd just as soon throw it in the bin but.. missus demands to keep it for some reason despite the fact it will eventually go into the bin yet take up freezer room for fucking years to come
asciilifeform considered miniaturized cryostats for consumer market at one point, for weirdos like this
mircea_popescu: if only there was semiconductor
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.00039821 = 12.2848 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: superconductor ?
mircea_popescu: right
mircea_popescu: forget lasers, those things'd make some pretty kickass engines.
asciilifeform: cheap enough cryostat would give you cheapo superconductor, but afaik - not vice versa
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a wire with no resistence consumes no energy right ? but electric charge moving still creates field, right ?
mircea_popescu: infinity efficiency compressor.
asciilifeform: nope.
asciilifeform: 2nd law violation.
mircea_popescu: don';t bust the dream. mebbe 2nd law is repealed :D
asciilifeform: l0l
mircea_popescu: !up cjc
asciilifeform: think this way, the moving charge in the superconductor is analogous to the motions of other bodies which do no 'work' in the thermodynamic sense
cjc: Thanks mircea_popescu, How are you today?
mircea_popescu: i ate too much chocolate cake.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, fine. why ?
cjc: I would like chocolate cake -- but will instead have pizza delivered soon.
asciilifeform by sheer coincidence also ate too much chocolate cake
cjc: No reason for asking other than salutations.
mircea_popescu: pizza schmizza. home made (actually, slave made!) black sponge cake with bananas in a rich chocolate ganache. from scratch!
cjc: It would be nice to have been eating desert instead right now.
cjc: dessert, rather?
mircea_popescu: depends if you had any sand in mind.
TheNewDeal: Deserts not a bad meal either
cjc: When you describe the black sponge cake from scratch... it sounds like you have happy and well kept slaves.
mircea_popescu: for teh most part.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, there's a bitcoin kink group. 90 guys of which 50% over 50, 10 gals, of which half from thailand.
asciilifeform: << mega-lol
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cazalla: always found it bizarre "winners don't use drugs" would appear in the arcade games i played here, didn't even know what drugs were at the time
mircea_popescu: early branding.
cazalla: i'm 10, playing TMNT.. why is DOJ telling me about drugs?
mircea_popescu: so you recognize it later.
mircea_popescu: otherwise local druglord' be all "hey kid, want some drugs ?" and you'd be "huh ?"
cjc: eh, oddly enough -- once my friends from high school started having kids and telling me how the doctors wanted to pump them up with pills as soon as they were school age..
cjc: it seems the pusher is the school teacher for "behavioral meds" or the doctor
asciilifeform: cjc:
assbot: "I WAS ALL MESSED UP ON DRUGS... ... ( )
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mircea_popescu: heh.
asciilifeform: at this point, ancient tradition.
asciilifeform still thinks it's reddit, not the dope, that gives us the 'nobody born after '90 is worth talking to' situation.
mircea_popescu: wakit
mircea_popescu: aderall is actually meth !?
asciilifeform: neh
cjc: apparently
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it';s the parents, the meds, the other kids in this order, my guess.
TheNewDeal: Its the dumbed down version
thestringpuller: no adderall is pretty much meth
mircea_popescu: !up taub
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mircea_popescu: !gettrust assbot taub
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mircea_popescu: !rate taub 1 Voice
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asciilifeform: i'll let BingoBoingo explain how one has faster blood-brain penetration than other, lipid solubility, etc.
asciilifeform: if he feels like it
thestringpuller: cazalla: I thought about that a lot throughout college.
taub: thank you
taub: i cant into pgp
thestringpuller: Did the feds think, "You know who is doing drugs these days, kids in the arcades with no parental supervision."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9933 @ 0.00039821 = 3.9554 BTC [+]
taub: well it's 'just' amphetamine, but very similar to meth
taub: meth is just way more potent
thestringpuller: The whole bart simpson era of "troublemakers" which I really don't understand since most of them do coke to work their 80 hour a week jobs.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8967 @ 0.00040229 = 3.6073 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: it is interesting that open literature contains substantially less useful info on what a particular variety of dope 'does' than it might seem, because of what used to be called 'comorbidities'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in fairness : the only practical way to reduce the 7-8 bn to the more sane lower tens of millions is this.
mircea_popescu: what else ? shoot them ?
taub: when you take your adderall like prescribed by the doctor, i think its a pretty safe drug tho
taub: not gonna eat holes into your brain
asciilifeform: i.e. the 'before and after' faces found in various usg propaganda depict people who not only took $dopeoftheday but were perpetually pickled, smoked everything and anything that burns, contracted every known vd, etc.
cazalla: thestringpuller, reminds me.. you seen that video of the black kid in the arcade who actually looks like he is on drugs?
assbot: Crazy kid goes nuts at Chuck E Cheese - YouTube ... ( )
mircea_popescu: taub why cant you pgp /
taub: now if you got an addictive personality, its a different thing
taub: i just never botherd
mircea_popescu: somehow you're reg'd.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if lizardhitler picked the currently usg-'blessed' varieties of dope to zap folks prior to reproductive age, he needs to fire his chemist
mircea_popescu: the idea isn't to zap anyone.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75129 @ 0.00039129 = 29.3972 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: related thread:
assbot: Logged on 25-08-2014 03:08:03; asciilifeform: busy as a bee << funny that they show an idiot sow scrubbing, and not, e.g, paul erdos crapping out theorems
thestringpuller: LOL cazalla
mircea_popescu: in fairness, more common.
thestringpuller: d00d the pseudo argument of "Bitcoin is a democracy" is starting to irritate me
thestringpuller: "Remember student council, and individuals running for student office. It was a popularity contest right? Well did those elected have any real power other than in name?"
mircea_popescu: it's funny tho, reddit doesn't JUST think bitcoin is democracy. everything is democracy. according to redditard lore, i need their vote to get laid.
mircea_popescu: ppl actually believe this.
mircea_popescu: i definiely need their vote to be happy, and if being rich were allowed (it isn't) then DEFINITELY the only way to get rich is to sell fifty billion fucktards stuff for a quarter each.
asciilifeform: !b 4
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thestringpuller: ^- d00d why is this argument used so much in "Business school"
thestringpuller: "OMG You shouldn't try to sell one thing for a billion bucks. YOu should sell a billion things for a dollar each! it's so much more valuable"
mircea_popescu: "and then you must donate the profits!"
thestringpuller: Given we know 1% own 99% of the wealth
thestringpuller: why would you ever spend time trying to get money from poor people?
thestringpuller: They don't matter in that context. Ever.
taub: darkcoin making a little run
taub: how i hate altcoins
thestringpuller: !up bitcoinquestions
bitcoinquestions: If the blockchain were to fork into 2 chains. 1 chain where the blocksize limit was the Gavin scam and 1 chain where it was kept at 1MB, can't everyone just profit by selling their coins on the scam chain and rebuying back the coins on the old chain?
thestringpuller: yes. this is explained by MP
thestringpuller: ;;google hard fork missile crisis
gribble: The Hard Fork Missile Crisis | <>; After Survery Vessenes' Foundation "Pivots" | <>; asciilifeform | <>
thestringpuller: i reference the attack in my article bitcoinquestions
bitcoinquestions: can't load any of those pages
bitcoinquestions: but I'm guessing your article just dives deeper into the same thing I just said right?
asciilifeform: bitcoinquestions: would it trouble you to take a moment to introduce yourself and state how and why you came to #b-a?
cazalla: sco.. ah forget it
assbot: New All Time High In Bitcoin Mining Difficulty | ... ( )
asciilifeform: bitcoinquestions: so far we've heard nothing but questions; so now i ask a question of you.
scoopbot: New post on by cazalla:
cazalla: oh, scoopbot is back
bitcoinquestions: asciilifeform: sure, I'm an MIT dropout (or well taking time off at least) doing my own startup and collecting bitcoins along the way instead of paying tuition. I heard about b-a in an article in the nakamotoinstitute
asciilifeform: bitcoinquestions: what were you studying prior to dropping out ?
bitcoinquestions: CS / Econ
bitcoinquestions: : )
asciilifeform: what of the startup? what's it do
thestringpuller: amazon is going to sue you
thestringpuller: if you get too big
bitcoinquestions: lol whatever
thestringpuller: dat one click shopping :P
bitcoinquestions: i will be very happy if we get to the point where amazon cares about suing us
Naphex: !up mandarin
mircea_popescu: this is riotously funny. so how does b-a look to the mit cs/econ (?!) undegrad doing a pizzforpusha startup ?
Naphex: i'd probably use it, when i'm really toned.
Naphex: :o
bitcoinquestions: yeah that's the point
Naphex: too bad most delivery around where i live is crap ;o
Naphex: bitcoinquestions: so where do you get the money from?
mircea_popescu: Naphex timisoara deliveries are... ONE HOUR. i lulzed my ass off at them.
mircea_popescu: buenos aires deliveries generally take 10 minutes tho.
Naphex: mircea_popescu: same here. one hour and cold ;o
mircea_popescu: like you know, sane places.
assbot: #201 - A Page Right Out of History ... ( )
mircea_popescu: also not bad.
mircea_popescu: you know, somebody should do this as a service. comic strip summarizer. watch them all, pick the i dunno, 1% worth a chuchle.
lobbes: Took me all weekend, but I am now in control of my own IRC bouncer. Now to configure it properly...
BingoBoingo: <thestringpuller> no adderall is pretty much meth << Not even a proper amphetamine
BingoBoingo: <thestringpuller> no adderall is pretty much meth << SOrry thought you said Ritalin. Adderal is a racemic mixture of Levo and Dex amphetamines. The levo reduces the "abuse potential"
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i'll let BingoBoingo explain how one has faster blood-brain penetration than other, lipid solubility, etc. << Methyl group makes it have a greater affinity for particular subsets of norepinephrine and dopamine receptors. For some reason the methyl group makes it more toxic to neurons in the long run
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BingoBoingo: As to why ritalin is not an amphetamine, simply compare its picture to the ones asciilifeform posted
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assbot: NT Religious Wars ... ( )
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BingoBoingo: "For all intents and purposes, it is reasonable to assume that all of DARPA’s customers already use computers in their work. Furthermore, they have been using computers for years. They have developed their own procedures and policies that are not conveniently switched to a different operating environment at the drop of a hat. And they are all using Windows. They are all using Windows because it is the superior choice for Intel-h
BingoBoingo: ardware operating systems for naïve users. The reason, however, is irrelevant, because the fact remains that users are using Windows."
BingoBoingo: "This dilemma is particularly strong for researchers in the areas of operating systems and networking, two areas in which Windows NT is considered to be especially weak. With DARPA project lifetimes typically in the two- or three-year range, PIs must swallow hard before agreeing to take two giant steps back in order to begin their research on a Windows NT technology base."
mircea_popescu: if somebody still has a twitter account, be a kitten tweet my last @maigov to see some really embarassed romanian police.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: For some reason the methyl group makes it more toxic to neurons in the long run << afaik no one has conclusively shown that it's the methyl rather than the sleeping-once-a-week, rotgut booze, and vd
asciilifeform: see earlier thread re: co-morbidity etc
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu:
assbot: /maigov I stumbled across this
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, much of the meth toxixity literature is from 1940's and 1950's when it was prefered USG go pill before being replaced by gentler amphetamines
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: seems like all three would still apply if population is u.s. soldiers ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo danke
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Perhaps, but it would be very un-USG of the era to not be running trials in parallel with minimal disclosure
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: l000l!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: << it ?
assbot: Make use of default operator · ac0b3fe · bitwiseshiftleft/sjcl · GitHub ... ( )
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu:
asciilifeform: yes, re: ^
asciilifeform: or was the pw 'we are orcs'
mircea_popescu: well guess ?
mircea_popescu: to help you guess :
asciilifeform: the latter
assbot: Law enforcement never fails to unintentionally entertain pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
mircea_popescu: right.
asciilifeform: ahahaha.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the general point here being : we investigate too.
asciilifeform: poor idiots.
asciilifeform: sparrow in microwave horn.
mircea_popescu: orly.
asciilifeform: from the story told thus far - what else.
mircea_popescu: dude, don't tell me stories. policeman thinks 120% is koshert ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, the so called "Departamentul de Informaţii şi Protecţie Internă" ie, informations & internal protection dept is the biggest loser here.
mircea_popescu: as they DIDNT know.
asciilifeform: or knew and had cut ?
asciilifeform: as is orcish sop ?
mircea_popescu: i know they didn't know.
mircea_popescu: i don't infer they didn't.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu also knows that they give a damn ?
mircea_popescu: i know they don't, but that is quite besides the point innit ? << this is their latest.
assbot: DGIPI - Direcția Generală de Informații și Protecție Internă ... ( )
mircea_popescu: rural policeman reported the attempted bribe by some guy that cut 1.7 cubic meters of wood illegally.
mircea_popescu: suma de 1000 lei = ~1 btc's worth.
mircea_popescu: ie, less effecvtual than the tardstalk forum police.
asciilifeform: so they'll say, in the event they say anything, that it was all a fiction ?
asciilifeform: as ru police would
asciilifeform: what am i missing here
mircea_popescu: not so simple. the chick at the end, kovesi ? she's fanatical.
mircea_popescu: and the LAST thing she's looking for tuesday mornings is seeing her name on my blog in that context.
asciilifeform: sic transit gloria spam-mundi then
mircea_popescu: only impossible outcome here is, for idiot policemen to stop being defrauded like redditards.
mircea_popescu: anyway that default stuff's pretty good :D
BingoBoingo: How phundation handles the different Openssl libraries nao
assbot: Improve robustness of DER recoding code · f19dded · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( )
mircea_popescu: not bad
assbot: #219 - Author Feedback ... ( )
BingoBoingo: !up BlueMeanie4
BlueMeanie4: greetings
mircea_popescu: also not bad
assbot: #224 - In the Merde For Love ... ( )
BlueMeanie4: ive been making Bitcoin comics
assbot: today's /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash comic
mircea_popescu: any good ?
BingoBoingo: Another drug related mega lol << Suboxone is not merely buprenorphine, also impregnated with naloxone in indigestible shell to prevent crushing
assbot: Suboxone could help heroin addicts: ... ( )
mircea_popescu: << this might be the most obscene thing i've seen this year.
assbot: #228 - Fast Freud ... ( )
ben_vulpes: y'all heard of kennas new scam?
BingoBoingo: No?
mircea_popescu: !up bitcoinquestions
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes which one is this ?
assbot: The Caravanserai. Roam free. ... ( )
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28178 @ 0.00039326 = 11.0813 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: !up nanotube
BlueMeanie4: what are the prices for that
danielpbarron slaps BlueMeanie4 around a bit with a large putin
BlueMeanie4: do you hate america Daniel?
danielpbarron: what is america?
nanotube: <nanotube> hey, sorry for delay in reply, been busy, still busy. just to give you a quick preview, i'm thinking/working on implementing everything-signed, using a framework sort of like this:
assbot: #bitcoin-otc rating entry form ... ( )
nanotube: <nanotube> once that system is operational, integrating multiple federated databases will be trivial and will involve no trust.
nanotube: fyi, y'all^
mircea_popescu: that's cool.
mircea_popescu: federated wots best way to un-centralize this problem, i believe.
BlueMeanie4: hyporcubez
nanotube: yea not quite the full fancypants xml-wot from the ideal world, but this will go most of the way and be much more likely to actually happen.
BingoBoingo: Reddit
assbot: #003 - Video Girl Etchi I ... ( )
TheNewDeal: Liked that bb, thanks
BlueMeanie4: a federated Wot?
BingoBoingo: !up BlueMeanie4
thestringpuller: amazon is going to sue you~
thestringpuller: .~
thestringpuller: .
BlueMeanie4: so who thinks bitcoin is going to crash further?
danielpbarron: it crashed?
danielpbarron: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 221.08, Best ask: 221.27, Bid-ask spread: 0.19000, Last trade: 221.29, 24 hour volume: 18423.98029392, 24 hour low: 215.0, 24 hour high: 225.0, 24 hour vwap: 219.323476828
BlueMeanie4: lost more than 30% of its value
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85700 @ 0.00040567 = 34.7659 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87450 @ 0.0004068 = 35.5747 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48200 @ 0.00039038 = 18.8163 BTC [-]
TheNewDeal: I think gox falsely propped it up to the previous ath, not to say anything about a possibility of return to said prices
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Well I think there was some Gox/China synergy.
BlueMeanie4: its starting to become clear that the whole thing was a ponzi to begin with
cazalla: BlueMeanie4, gox or bitcoin?
BlueMeanie4: then somewhere between '13 and '14 they want batshit insane about all these other ideas
mircea_popescu: !up IHB
BlueMeanie4: bitcoin
IHB: can i get some feedback on something i am writing guys?
mircea_popescu: ok
mircea_popescu: !down BlueMeanie4
mircea_popescu: who keeps upping the tards.
BingoBoingo up'd that one
danielpbarron: !b 10
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cazalla: IHB, i can give you some feedback on your site design instead if you like? 2.0 type shit sucks
IHB: yeah
BingoBoingo: IHB, I'll give it a read through
IHB: i am changing it
BingoBoingo: cazalla: You ever try reading coinfire on Mobile? We're kicking their ass on pnoHe friendly layout nao
cazalla: IHB, i mean, i gotta use 3 finger scrolls to get to the meat of it.. i don't even give the missus that much
IHB: i haven't had time and lot of changes are being pushed through. was working on an api that will be launched with it. hopefully it will be useful
IHB: lol
IHB: ok, this is still a WIP, but i want to make sure i understand
IHB: @petertoddbtc @trilema @oocBlog  @BryceWeiner @JustusRanvier  @fredwilson @balajis  In regards to scalability and the perceived threat facing the bitcoin ecosystem I am still not convinced we have a problem here. Gavin has been talking about this for a little while now and it shouldn’t surprise anyone of us that he is publicly trying to get a proposal ready so the full nodes can vote on it. 1. If 80% of the full nodes v
cazalla: BingoBoingo, could be worse
assbot: #069 - The Shit-Eating Triology II ... ( )
mircea_popescu: ihb see also
mircea_popescu: !s pogo
assbot: 111 results for 'pogo' :
BingoBoingo: IHB: That tweet is from ??? about ? hard to squeeze meaningful context into that space
cazalla: mircea_popescu, i read you have like 100k of those pogos eh
mircea_popescu: but in any case, "votes" by bs nodes with < 90% uptime is pointless.
IHB: i know i know
mircea_popescu: might as well redditvote.
IHB: i am posting a draft write now
mircea_popescu: and in any case : VOTES DO NOT MATTER.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is not a democracy.,
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is a consensus system.
BingoBoingo: IHB: Just remember if you post a big draft for review before going up on your site, Google index's pastebins aggressively, Dpaste not so much.
mircea_popescu: the concept of voting re bitcoin is not unlike the concept of voting re sex.
mircea_popescu: sure, 9 out of 10 people enjoy themselves at any gangbang.
mircea_popescu: this doesn't mean me and eight other dudes get to vote on how to use gavin's wife.
assbot: draft • IHB News™ ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21350 @ 0.00040688 = 8.6869 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: has threatened to bring the house down and if he is successful, then so be it. << IHB you prolly want to link as the actor and particular trilema pieces justifying the MPEx position
assbot: Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
mircea_popescu: ihb it's beyon me why you think this is publishable.
IHB: its not
mircea_popescu: as a general rule : strike out all paragraphs that contain the pronoun "I" see what's left.
mircea_popescu: aha.
cazalla: IHB, this is your scratch pad eh?
IHB: not everyone is as talented as you when it comes to words [feces]
mircea_popescu: also, the paywall on trilema is a) older than bitcoin and b) older than the new york time's.
BingoBoingo: he recently put a btc paywall on his personal blog. << IHB been around multiple years. Since early 2013 when I finally started talking to people.
mircea_popescu: it's in fact the first paywall on any content site on the internet.
IHB: i never ran into it until today
IHB: fo real
mircea_popescu: even so.
IHB: will amend
BingoBoingo: I believe the 1mb limit was only put in out of fear to protect us from a potential attack. << Was explicitly put in place to make attacks by bloating the blockchain uneconomical
mircea_popescu: << this is from back when nyt introduced their beta paywall.
assbot: The New York Times urmeaza exemplul Trilema pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
mircea_popescu: !up wpalczynski
IHB: <+mircea_popescu> i never got the address to send the .01 BTC
mircea_popescu: did you use a proper email ?
IHB: i used
IHB: so if we don't have the cap it is possible for a miner to load blocks up with spam? and this in turn will weaken the network?
mircea_popescu: first time i got a report like this, so mebbe wait and see ? mebbe your mail server's slow ?
IHB: won't it cost a lot of money to do that?
mircea_popescu: why would it be a miner ? it is possible for anyone.
mircea_popescu: today it's not a particularly valuable dos attack on bitcoin because whatever, 1mb blocks.
mircea_popescu: if they end up being larger, it becomes more of an attack. if they're large enough, sure, you can deny usage of the network this way.
IHB: fuck.
IHB: well, i am glad i had a reason to be confused
BingoBoingo: IHB: And the thing is it is a one time cost to the attacker to attack by committing bloat
mircea_popescu: very cheap way to attack the gavincoin, too. 20-1 = 19, so then each day costs an extra
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 24 * 600 * 19 / 1024
gribble: 267.1875
mircea_popescu: um neh
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 24 * 6 * 19 / 1024
gribble: 2.671875
mircea_popescu: 2.67 gb a day extra. whatever that costs, every node is stuck with it.
mircea_popescu: and there's obviously no defense. valid txn will be relayed.
IHB: i can't weigh in with my opinion. i will leave up to you guys. my stomach tells me the blocksize should not be raised and if people want to do other stuff they can peg their btc to a sidechain, if that ever becomes reality.
IHB: i would be happy just holding my bitcoin. but only if there was a way to get all this other stuff done, you know the stuff we call bloat
IHB: like washing machines talking to cars
IHB: and government schemes in india being run on some sort of chain
mircea_popescu: uh.
BingoBoingo: <IHB> i can't weigh in with my opinion. i will leave up to you guys. my stomach tells me the blocksize should not be raised and if people want to do other stuff they can peg their btc to a sidechain, if that ever becomes reality. << Not an unreasonable thing. Settlement happens on the blockchain small amounts dick around on distraction chain.
IHB: humans have already fucked with this planet we are in our own epoch Anthropence
cazalla: IHB, why do you want your car to talk to your washing machine instead of your wife?
mircea_popescu: the car should talk to the wife ?
mircea_popescu buys ballgag factory shares. cleary there's a future for these.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, no no, wife talk to washing machine
jurov: maybe he meant carwash?
mircea_popescu: like a wife with multiple personality cazalla ?
cazalla: please just let me take solace in the one fucking thing my missus can do right
mircea_popescu: what's that, she pushes your buttons for you ?
mircea_popescu: jurov for lulz, masina = machine is how you say car in romanian.
mircea_popescu: << bwahaha z80 strip poker ?
assbot: #239 - Return Without Gosub Error
BingoBoingo: jurov: Commenting out that section of main.cpp you highlighted and making a junk public alert key turned into a build of 0.8.6 that's been running fine for about 20 hours nao
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo, cazalla, other writery folks: anybody up for writing a basic likbez for the 'unified theory' of amplification attack as it applies not only to boring ddos but to gavincoin and in general to any system where some bozo can inflict cost C on you by spending c where c < C
mircea_popescu: hm.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what z80. mos 6502.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i haven't / don't intend to because a) anyone who can grasp the abstraction already knows it ; b) anyone likely to benefit from the description probably can't read.
asciilifeform: then nm
asciilifeform: 6502 >> reissued! >>,14557.html
assbot: Mouser Sells Classic 6502 "Antique" Processor
mircea_popescu: it's kinda what attrition wars are all about.
BingoBoingo: <assbot> Mouser Sells Classic 6502 "Antique" Processor << If they cranked it to 1.5 GHz+ would be more excited
asciilifeform: why BingoBoingo wants a GHz 8bit cpu?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Speed.
BingoBoingo: For some tasks bus size isn't such a big deal.
jurov: lol at 15nm process the die would prolly come out few micrometers across
BingoBoingo: <jurov> lol at 15nm process the die would prolly come out few micrometers across << Also this.
BingoBoingo: Just imagine a palm sized box with rs-232 and the entire 1980's inside
mircea_popescu: size doesn't matter guise.
kakobrekla: only matters if you got a big one
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It does when your need to breach the border with your contraband in your breech
jurov: WILL IT HASH?
mircea_popescu: hash it will!
asciilifeform: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 342797 | Current Difficulty: 4.44554159623438E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 344735 | Next Difficulty In: 1938 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 10 hours, 9 minutes, and 13 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 51193758211.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 15.15753
mircea_popescu: also not bad.
assbot: #243 - America's Testes Kitchen 1
asciilifeform: 336094.
mircea_popescu: marinate all teh birds.
kakobrekla: +15, from where
jurov: from romania, haven't you heard about Mcoin machines?
kakobrekla: ah you mean mpcoin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29032 @ 0.00039168 = 11.3713 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: lol puh leaze.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> also, the paywall on trilema is a) older than bitcoin and b) older than the new york time's. << how did you take payment before btc?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes paypal, like everyone else.
ben_vulpes: goodness.
jurov: kakobrekla i meant this:ța-kovesi-dvs-stiati-ca-angajatii-dvs-se-ocupa-cu-frauda-pe-internet/
assbot: Catre Ministerul Afacerilor Interne. In atentia d-lor Gheorghe Nicolae, Petre Toba, Bondar Marin si d-nei Laura Codruța Kövesi : Dvs stiati ca angajatii dvs se ocupa cu frauda pe Internet ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i had a whole digg thing for the .ro market, ran on "credits", backed by paypal.
mircea_popescu: people could buy/sell them.
mircea_popescu: published monthly tops of ro blogs etc.
mircea_popescu: !up bitcoinquestions
bitcoinquestions: thanks man
mircea_popescu: dude, get reg'd already.
bitcoinquestions: reg'd? sorry I don't use IRC often
mircea_popescu: lately you do. and
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla :
assbot: Shooting Assbot - The air ride group Wiki
mircea_popescu: btw, someone edit that wiki page to reflect the assbot wotness ? who got perms ?
bitcoinquestions: mircea_popescu: alright I'm on it, also you asked me what I thought of b-a before I got disconnected - it's a breath of fresh air from the mass stupidity
ben_vulpes: by the way, isn't it amusing how the_scourge got instanuked, but the outright derps keep getting upped?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Who was that pauper on your blogroll with the great eMacs text. Debate tournament judging text finally cleared and I'm ready to splurge on paytext.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes not THAT insta.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: wasn't instant by any means, i ended up with a mile-long ninjasp4mz0r-style log from him
mircea_popescu: generally derpage doesn't get nuked until it becomes militantly stupid. bluemeanie got nuked earlier.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: gonna need more hint
ben_vulpes: looked pretty fast from over here.
ben_vulpes: granted my neural filter kicked in pretty quickly, so my integral probably didn't wind up like yours.
ben_vulpes: yours'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Last mention of him here you suggested might be acutely starving? Had a big guide to emacs.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: xah lee
ben_vulpes: BigBitz: xah lee
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo:**
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Thanks
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the way it looked, mr moarspam was sent here specifically for me. (why? ask him)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: blocksize-themed rather than cardano this time
ben_vulpes: what, you're the most easily suckered into epic privlogs
asciilifeform: quite possibly
asciilifeform plays with his food
ben_vulpes: i toy with my prey, but that's not the same thing.
asciilifeform: at any rate, the bozo went and chugged through most of my www in an effort to appear interested (it comically failed)
asciilifeform: for me, that was enough
TheNewDeal: So this is really Samuel Clemens' material?
assbot: Let us translate. From English to English. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: i suppose this is actually a never-before encountered problem : text that has meaning! IN LAYERS!
mircea_popescu: text that can actually not be textually reprocessed into usable text.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal yes.
mircea_popescu: if you look at the link thrown around in here a coupla days ago when it was being discussed, has a bunch of bibliographical wankery i snipped.
TheNewDeal: That was some of the finest erotica Ive ever perused
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in a meta sense, the way we write had been a wot all along.
mircea_popescu: poses exactly the same problems to the poser as the wot poses to the scammer.
mircea_popescu: not mechanically approachable.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal the man was talentited.
ben_vulpes: ah come on the bibliographical stuff was great
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: are you chewing through "the complete works"?
mircea_popescu: mnope
ben_vulpes: o wait you're doing orwell.
mircea_popescu: atm im doing some old comic
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: orwell mentioned '1601' as 'unobtainable'
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i do recall this
decimation: asciilifeform: how do you distinguish between 'usg agent' and 'derp who reads your website'?
mircea_popescu: he doesn't.
decimation: I guess in the end it doesn't much matter
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4000 @ 0.00085353 = 3.4141 BTC [+] {8}
mircea_popescu: this is like asking wyatt earp "how do you distinguish between the f brothers and stray dog"
BingoBoingo: decimation: I imagine his heuruistic is how they read his website
decimation: mircea_popescu: both fall into the category 'shoot'?
asciilifeform: decimation: very naked pattern of 'derp suddenly comes, with much apparent enthusiasm and piss-poor reading comprehension, interspersing hour of faux conv. with 'so why do you have any truck with bitcoin, it'll be obsolete and replaced with Modern Alternatives soon enough, and so many more interesting things around like Dark Enlightenment...'
asciilifeform: '
decimation: ah google is going to drop SPDY and fully support HTTPbis
assbot: Chromium Blog: Hello HTTP/2, Goodbye SPDY
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah he definitely exhibited that pattern. but my priors tend to 'random derp (maybe mr spam)' rather than 'usg agent'
asciilifeform: generic derps, in my experience, don't reliably snap back to one subject always
ben_vulpes: focus is expensive.
asciilifeform: and that subject is not usually block size
BingoBoingo: !b 3
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( )
asciilifeform: four days (?) after the philippines thing
asciilifeform: also claimed to be working on a 'military' path to sovereign moldbuggistan, which screams 'provocateur'
decimation: heh it would be amusing to get 'premium content' trolls here
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> also claimed to be working on a 'military' path to sovereign moldbuggistan, which screams 'provocateur' << I don't get very many of these. You FBI file must be thicker than mine.
BingoBoingo: Or else more urgent
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that was my first such
asciilifeform suspects that ben_vulpes is correct and that had someone else engaged mr moarspam earlier, he would have latched on to someone else
assbot: ... ( )
decimation: "Draft resistance is at an all-time high: a mere 6 percent of those called up have reported voluntarily. This has forced the Kiev authorities to go knocking on doors – where they are met either with a mass of angry villagers, who refuse to let them take anyone, or else ghost towns where virtually everyone has fled. In the Transcarpathia region of western Ukraine, entire villages have been emptied, the inhabitants fleeing to Russia
decimation: to wait out the war – or the fall of the Kiev regime, whichever comes first. "
decimation: lol, apparently the ukranians are fleeing the russian invaders by fleeing to ... russia
decimation: " In a Facebook post that was quickly deleted, Defense Minister Stepan Poltorak wrote: “According to unofficial sources, hostels and motels in border regions of neighboring Romania are completely filled with draft dodgers.” P"
decimation: wonder how many lei it takes to get the local romaninan police to 'overlook' your immigration
asciilifeform: per orlov's analysis, kiev is summoning draftees not to fight and win, but to 1) create 'humanitarian' wank in the hope of usg assistance (georgia gambit) 2) forcibly burn bridges for the conscripted men (the idea being, they've fired on the east and 'must' fight to the death)
decimation: the local villagers, not being entirely stupid, want neither to die as nato puppet nor at the hands of ru army
asciilifeform: at any rate, usg is winning there - in its traditional objective of creating an open, gangrenous wound (rather than 'winning' in the usual sense of the word)
BingoBoingo: Transndstria
decimation: moldbug would say that this wound provides infinite employment for nulands
asciilifeform: not only.
asciilifeform: to the whole spectrum, 'red', 'blue', whatevers.
ben_vulpes: <decimation> heh it would be amusing to get 'premium content' trolls here << didja ever meet tiberius?
decimation: no I don't think so
ben_vulpes: he was top notch.
decimation: who would bother trolling us? the chances of some derp changing anyone's opinion on matters here seems pretty low
ben_vulpes: tib was never much for changing opinions
ben_vulpes: irc judo, more like it
ben_vulpes: roll you in on point a, before you know it you're knees deep in c d e and q
ben_vulpes: sadly, got banned. even mircea_popescu couldn't out-chat him.
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
ben_vulpes: << decent entrypoint
assbot: Logged on 05-05-2013 16:23:25; cads: tiberius, and if that's true, then I salute you
gribble: Current Blocks: 342801 | Current Difficulty: 4.44554159623438E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 344735 | Next Difficulty In: 1934 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 9 hours, 32 minutes, and 18 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 51100598845.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 14.94797
BingoBoingo: lol machine translation
BingoBoingo: << This happened quickly
assbot: Issues · reyk/httpd · GitHub ... ( )
assbot: 631 results for 'tiberiusiv' - #bitcoin-assets search
ben_vulpes: for the historians.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform might find some interesting strange in those depths.
BingoBoingo: Another Mr Spam in the wild
assbot: 'Re: OK... how dare you both even to not publish patches...' - MARC
BingoBoingo: Seriously check 's email sig out there: "Please note: The information contained in this message may be legally privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure..." Sig on a public mailing list
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: well now you've incremented his linkweight. good job.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Actually I've done the opposite
ben_vulpes: at least robert viragh and the_minor_pestilence had the good sense to not leave a crumbtrail
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: There's actually more, uglier crumbtrail.
ben_vulpes: from which spamzor?
ben_vulpes: !up bitcoinquestions
ben_vulpes: mas?
BingoBoingo: See comments here ben_vulpes
assbot: Two New Kernel Errata
Guest85903: hmm
Guest85903: I ahve to message instantly?
BingoBoingo: hello Guest85903
Guest85903: -_-
BingoBoingo: !up Guest85903
BingoBoingo: Guest85903: Who are you again?
ben_vulpes: Guest85903: you gotta auth within ~30secs
Guest85903: bitcoinquestions
Guest85903: i'm working on setting up all the shit in the wiki
BingoBoingo: Guest85903: If you set up Xchat (or any other client) with SASL it will auth you with nickserve automatically in time
ben_vulpes: Guest85903: you may want a better handle than bitcoinquestions
BingoBoingo: Except for midsession disconnections
Guest85903: lmao
Guest85903: bitcoinanswers maybe
BingoBoingo: Guest85903: You know... if you have Bitcoin in you personal name people take you less seriously. That's why bitcoin_pete seriously considered moving his identity to MooseCocks
Guest85903: Whereas if your name is BingoBoingo you get taken very seriously?
BingoBoingo: Anyways 6 of the right months of history is prolly the minimum to be caught up on the -Stable branch of the channel conversation. Having answers... Maybe 12-24 months?
BingoBoingo: Guest85903: History. Originally it was BingoBongo, but kakobrekla convinced me this was better.
BingoBoingo: Because time passes this is now my real name.
BingoBoingo: And sometimes I am a bit startled when people use my slave name.
lobbes: BingoBoingo: not reference to that song 'civilisation' is it?
BingoBoingo: lobbes: No idea what that is.
Guest85903: alright fuck it
BingoBoingo: Guest85903: The important part of a "Name" though is that it is now a textual match for another concept.
Guest85903: What do you mean?
BingoBoingo: My gibberish name, fine name. mircea_popescu being the Romanian equivalent of John Smith fine. "Cocksmoker404" is limiting.
BingoBoingo: Because Cocksmoker404 conveys a meaning in its text.
BingoBoingo: Other text attached to that name is going to on a quick read get a context attached to it.
danielpbarron: Guest85903, just use the name that your mother and father gave you; honor them.
Guest85903: hmm
Guest85903: difficult choice
lobbes: perfect: Difficult_Choice
BingoBoingo: !b 3
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( )
Guest85903: lmao
Guest85903: alright brb
Guest85903: bitcoinquestions --> whaack please up! me when I get back
mircea_popescu: omfg i step out for pie, i come back, all the lines out of whack!
asciilifeform repaired an early 1980s soviet alarm clock today.
BingoBoingo got a new SSD in the mail today. Damn that fucker is thin.
mircea_popescu: decimation: ah google is going to drop SPDY and fully support HTTPbis << if any of teh strategic minds in attendance care to explain this to me i'd apprecfiate it
mircea_popescu: wtf are they thinking ?
mircea_popescu: !up whaack
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: focus is expensive. << he is on to something.
mircea_popescu: !up whaack
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> decimation: ah google is going to drop SPDY and fully support HTTPbis << if any of teh strategic minds in attendance care to explain this to me i'd apprecfiate it << SPDY was Google so Open it is closed HTTP replacement no one else needed
BingoBoingo: No idea if HTTP2 is worse or not, but prolly at least as bad
whaack: ;;eregister A31A30AA659AB67C
gribble: (eregister <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nah, moar like http 2 is basically a rushed "let's reimplement spdy"
mircea_popescu: whaack do it with assbot tho.
whaack: ;;eregister whaack A31A30AA659AB67C
gribble: Error: This key already registered in the database.
whaack: fuck
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Or they were cooked different places and Google didn't get the tug on its leash early enough
whaack: I added the key for another handle is there anyway to remove it?
BingoBoingo: whaack: Have you considered the "literal" nuclear option?
mircea_popescu: !up ihb
mircea_popescu: if you didn't get teh email, ask for another one.
IHB: <+mircea_popescu>
IHB: i got it
IHB: i sent you the coin
mircea_popescu: and look in your mailserver logs see wtf is ahppening
mircea_popescu: ah k
IHB: whew
whaack: ;;eregister whaack 54D96EEE73C04299
gribble: Error: Could not retrieve your key from keyserver. Either it isn't there, or it is invalid.
IHB: dude. i really want to get into WOT
IHB: as soon things settle down with my team. i am gonna do it
mircea_popescu: "where they are met either with a mass of angry villagers, who refuse to let them take anyone" so czar's army, this.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41950 @ 0.00040344 = 16.9243 BTC [+]
whaack: ;;eregister whaack 54D96EEE73C04299
gribble: Error: Could not retrieve your key from keyserver. Either it isn't there, or it is invalid.
mod6: whaack: you can pm gribble too.
whaack: apolagies
mircea_popescu: decimation: " In a Facebook post that was quickly deleted, Defense Minister Stepan Poltorak wrote: “According to unofficial sources, hostels and motels in border regions of neighboring Romania are completely filled with draft dodgers.” << this is true. romania took in like 50k refugees.
mod6: np
mircea_popescu: being kept under wraps because whatever, can't go out saying the us caused a war atrocity and a refugee wave.
decimation: are the romanians pissed about the extra ukrainians?
mircea_popescu: decimation: wonder how many lei it takes to get the local romaninan police to 'overlook' your immigration << it's a civilised country. if you don't break the law they don't care. if you show up at the border without proper paperwork you get fined 500 lei (~100 euro) and generally forbidden to reenter for 5 years.
mircea_popescu: nah.
mircea_popescu: this entire "don't let people in" is purely a welfare state thing. romania is not one.
decimation: so the romanian government explictly granted this refugee status?
mircea_popescu: nah.
mircea_popescu: as above :)
decimation: my understanding is that ukrainians have all been granted russian citizenship anyway, if they choose to use it
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: he was top notch. << not really. too much anger.
decimation: if I were some derp in a ukrainian village I think I would be on the way to whatever frontier I could manage
mircea_popescu: decimation you gotta understand, europe is europe. think texas during the 1800s, mix-y.
mircea_popescu: decimation but you are that, in that situation, and you're sitting put :)
decimation: heh perhaps
mircea_popescu: what, you think ukrainian peasant has no material or emotional properties ? just because you discount them as alien doesn't make them go away.
mircea_popescu: he loves his oak.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00040344 = 1.3515 BTC [+]
decimation: aye, I can see that
decimation: but the threat of dying for that oak has become quite real
mircea_popescu: actually arond there, from say vienna to about moscow, people are fucking fixated on the soil.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84485 @ 0.00040688 = 34.3753 BTC [+]
decimation: multi-generational farms and the like?
IHB: people in india kill each other all the time over less than an oak tree
mircea_popescu: multi in the sense of 50.
decimation: in the us, people are so mobile that they hardly have any loyalty to the soil
decimation: some are, but they are rare
mircea_popescu: yeah well i tell you something, nobody who knew me in a pervious life ever imagined i'd leave cluj.
IHB: <+decimation> in the us, people are so mobile that they hardly have any loyalty to the soil < this more true as every day passes
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> actually arond there, from say vienna to about moscow, people are fucking fixated on the soil. << Amazing how in spite of it mostly being a source of minable lead Ozark folk are still more fixated on their soil
mircea_popescu: it was a joke for up until the plane left.
BingoBoingo: <IHB> <+decimation> in the us, people are so mobile that they hardly have any loyalty to the soil < this more true as every day passes << Less mobile every week
mircea_popescu: less mobile more alabama ? :D
asciilifeform: in usa, it's jobs/professions more than 'soil'
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> in usa, it's jobs/professions more than 'soil' << Only because you are on the east left coast
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> less mobile more alabama ? :D << More sweet home alabama, less freebird
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: sadly, got banned. even mircea_popescu couldn't out-chat him. << gtfo that's so totally not what happened.
IHB: i lived in louisiana for a while and we went to bama all the time
IHB: i like better than here in LA
mircea_popescu: i think i have a pic of me in mobile.
IHB: did you smell the pulp from the factory in mobile?
mircea_popescu: < there we go.
assbot: Fire in Alabama, let's make the most of it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
IHB: hey <+mircea_popescu> why did they suspend your twitter account? how do you get suspended but ISIS is allowed to troll away
mircea_popescu: IHB actually no, there was a strike or something. they weren't going.
mircea_popescu: IHB i killed some derp.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You fucked a fort in mobile. Full of nubile ROLL TIDE cheerleaders, or at least that will be the legend in 2145
mircea_popescu: lol wut.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You for get the weather that erodes civilization... time.
lobbes: <asciilifeform> in usa, it's jobs/professions more than 'soil' << aye, this is what binds me. This mouse-trap cheese is so tasty
mircea_popescu: lobbes you and... all the usians here pretty much.
lobbes: maybe can get some before it slams down
mircea_popescu: say, y;all know the aesop fable of the fat mouse ?
IHB: <+mircea_popescu> too bad. his derp friends probably spent more money on his funeral than he would have derping away
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Trilema reflects you were in Alabama. When trends on reddit change suddenly they will say you fucked all of the Bama cheerleraders in a heroic battle agaisnt Condie Rice
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i can't recall who i fucked in mobile.
mircea_popescu: it's kinda hazy at this point.
asciilifeform: << obligatory
asciilifeform: ^ legendary
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And the fanfic crowd will on that doubt rewrite history.
whaack: So going back to my bitcoinquestion spree - do you guys believe the conversation in /r/bitcoin is controlled by a few people with many accounts directing an unnatural conversation?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what is this, the bitcoin jesus ?
mod6: asciilifeform: pretty long bumper sticker
BingoBoingo: whaack: To an extent, largely controlled by systemic failures in reddits mode of failing to social means
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to this day i have no idea. originally found it some time in '99, i think. appears to be inspired by one of the 'leptin knockout' experimental mice
mircea_popescu: srother is pretty fucking pissed.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Prototype knockout mice often get extreme obesity or cancer for their compelled bravery.\
mircea_popescu: Guest85903: i'm working on setting up all the shit in the wiki << this really should be in the bash lol
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: didja know, mouse farming makes bitcoin mining look tame both re: profit (in fiat terms at least) and risk
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ten thousand $maxint custom mice can croak overnight
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Except for midsession disconnections << xchat irssi and all others can be config'd to not autoreconnect. so you can handle manually./
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well... Mice are awfully fragile. Especially when $maxint is spent knocking out something that was important
asciilifeform: esp. then.
asciilifeform: but, interestingly, even 'standard' mice.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform someone in biotech had this sad story a while back about a lost farm. i had one too
mircea_popescu: uh wait. it was you wasn;'t it
asciilifeform: possibly.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo: Except for midsession disconnections << xchat irssi and all others can be config'd to not autoreconnect. so you can handle manually./ << Working on a online machine migration in the near future.
asciilifeform not directly involved with mouse farming at any point
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform someone in biotech had this sad story a while back about a lost farm. i had one too << Was this the lab flooded in the hurricaine?
mircea_popescu: my memory fails me.
mircea_popescu: mebbe it was bugpowder
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: Guest85903, just use the name that your mother and father gave you; honor them. << not a bad principle.
whaack: yeah
whaack: <-based on my name
BingoBoingo: whaack: Are you a winkelvii?
mircea_popescu: im waiting for the first Carmen_Beercunt
whaack: Yeah the shorter brother who they wouldn't let in the film :(
BingoBoingo: whaack: When did Yall move to San Jose?
BingoBoingo: Or is it a VPN?
whaack: I'm using a VPN
BingoBoingo: Ah
whaack: Because when I don't and I join this channel my internet cuts out for 30 fucking minutes
whaack: Seriously made me wanna kill something
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> im waiting for the first Carmen_Beercunt << If I make my escape to the Phillipines to scoope up a handful of Azn wives I'll name the second this

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