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ben_vulpes: more importantly long life prosperity and lulz to those who stick spokes in mine enemies wheels.
ben_vulpes: and deplete their wallets.
kakobrekla: best laptop is prolly same as best car.
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=23-01-2015#989461
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2015 21:26:58; asciilifeform: the fastest, thickest, most luxurious car is --- not having to go places.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla is very much right.
asciilifeform: or what was mircea_popescu's point about the best kalash being sitting-far-from-the-war
asciilifeform: or sumthinglikethat
asciilifeform: or one of my grandfathers used to mutter that 'the best fish is sausage'
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: people who actually *use* computers will have to pay 10k each << that's what, a piddling 2-3x what we presently pay ?
asciilifeform looks around, quite possibly sees 5 usd digits of computer
ben_vulpes: yeah sure, bump the number up
ben_vulpes: the point is an integer multiple of current costs.
ben_vulpes: be it 5, 10, 20, i don't really care.
asciilifeform: big whoop
asciilifeform: wake me up when it's 100mil and we all have to share an hour of computer at 4am tuesdays
asciilifeform: like in the '60s
ben_vulpes: yup i'm right there with you
asciilifeform: there's room in that budget for build quality << in the bezzle world, this is not what happens;
asciilifeform: i've used $1/2mil instruments that shipped with with a 'dell' box running 'xp home.'
asciilifeform: and other unspeakables on top.
ben_vulpes: i speak of the post-bezzle world.
asciilifeform: to suppose that there is room in bezzle world for build quality is like imagining that there is room in the tardstalk phorum for honesty
asciilifeform: or at 'reddit', for intelligence
BingoBoingo: "Real Computer" when it ships will ship with iPnoHe and Thunderbolt Connector
ben_vulpes: the world wherein mircea_popescu's arranged for not only the rewrite of "gpg" but also "mavlink"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29159 @ 0.00041581 = 12.1246 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22250 @ 0.00041263 = 9.181 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00041161 = 4.7953 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26338 @ 0.00041126 = 10.8318 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5982 @ 0.00041862 = 2.5042 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.00041126 = 4.092 BTC [-]
fluffypony: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://imgur.com/a/goByg
assbot: Carturesti Carusel Bookstore Bucharest, Romania - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/197ZdWH )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: A viewer complained that an episode of the animated children’s series Peppa Pig was inappropriate for an Australian audience because it said that spiders were not to be feared. >> http://about.abc.net.au/complaints/peppa-pig-received/
assbot: Peppa Pig, (received) | About the ABC ... ( http://bit.ly/1viKsEX )
BingoBoingo: !up coventry
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10432 @ 0.00041491 = 4.3283 BTC [+]
cazalla: BingoBoingo, complaint sorta has a point.. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=31-01-2015#1000521
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 22:50:25; cazalla: BingoBoingo, well yeah, missus does a spider check in the kid's play pen each morning.. found 2 spiders to date
cazalla: i fucking hate spiders and there is no worse place for them than down under
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79468 @ 0.00041126 = 32.682 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Kind of an "Only in Australia" problem
cazalla: last thing kids need is a tv show teaching em how to steve irwin emselves
cazalla: btw, i'm am not seriously suggesting it's a legit complaint :)
BingoBoingo: Well to go full steve irwin you need some water.
coventry: Going to sleep now, but I have a question and will check up in the morning: I read the mpex.co FAQ, including #17. Why would someone pay 30 BTC to participate in this market?
BingoBoingo: coventry: Direct access
danielpbarron: http://bitcoinism.liberty.me/2015/01/21/economic-fallacies-and-the-block-size-limit-part-1-scarcity/
assbot: Economic Fallacies and the Block Size Limit, part 1: Scarcity | Bitcoinism | Liberty.me ... ( http://bit.ly/1DZGW7i )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18050 @ 0.00041862 = 7.5561 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: "Nobody gives McDonalds a maximum number of Big Macs they are allowed to produce each day â~@~S their customers tell them how many they want to buy and McDonalds responds appropriately."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9489 @ 0.00041126 = 3.9024 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: requires login to comment so i'll just stick this here: Burger King isn't burdened with having to keep track of all McDonalds orders; this is a misleading comparison to bitcoin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8428 @ 0.00041862 = 3.5281 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00041675 = 10.7105 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00041862 = 2.3443 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17524 @ 0.00041862 = 7.3359 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26150 @ 0.00041126 = 10.7544 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up bit2017
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20815 @ 0.00041126 = 8.5604 BTC [-]
punkman: http://www.wsj.com/articles/bigfoot-isnt-just-a-mythic-figure-hes-an-investment-opportunity-1421806118
assbot: Bigfoot Isn’t Just a Mythic Figure, He’s an Investment Opportunity - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1uDvD4T )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14165 @ 0.00041862 = 5.9298 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69800 @ 0.00041995 = 29.3125 BTC [+] {3}
fluffypony: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2vhlbd/i_am_david_boaz_cato_institute_evp_and_author_of/
assbot: I am David Boaz, Cato Institute EVP and author of The Libertarian Mind: A Manifesto for Freedom. AMA! : IAmA ... ( http://bit.ly/1uDxhn0 )
fluffypony: that exchange on the top comment is hilarious: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2vhlbd/i_am_david_boaz_cato_institute_evp_and_author_of/cohqfzo
assbot: mattayes comments on I am David Boaz, Cato Institute EVP and author of The Libertarian Mind: A Manifesto for Freedom. AMA! ... ( http://bit.ly/1uDxk24 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15538 @ 0.00041126 = 6.3902 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/1FR2A67
assbot: dpaste: 1FR2A67 ... ( http://bit.ly/1zVovA5 )
mircea_popescu: and im making another one.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony what about it ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/02/there-is-nothing-new-in-the-world-except-for-the-history-you-didnt-know/
assbot: There is nothing new in the world. Except for the history you didn't know. | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1zVpkZu )
mircea_popescu: yay!
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Mircea Popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/02/there-is-nothing-new-in-the-world-except-for-the-history-you-didnt-know/
BingoBoingo: !up NewLiberty
NewLiberty: ben_vulpes> has the thing been debunked? /// That paper is not a good one. It assumes a model inconsistant with Bitcoin reality.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 200 @ 0.0055077 = 1.1015 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00042154 = 6.0702 BTC [+]
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/hsbc-clients-victims-of-probable-social-engineering-attack/
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/0YBSGHP :D
assbot: dpaste: 0YBSGHP ... ( http://bit.ly/16Sy5JQ )
mircea_popescu: !up NewLiberty
mircea_popescu: that was vague.
mircea_popescu: o btw : http://www.wired.com/2011/11/mf_bitcoin/all/
assbot: The Rise and Fall of Bitcoin | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1zKFUfQ )
BingoBoingo: scoopbot -fetch
cazalla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=952177 likely bs but interesting
assbot: First ever Dark Leaks auction: I was the lead programmer for Silk Road 2.0. ... ( http://bit.ly/16SzPCX )
mircea_popescu: lol scoopbot on strike
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/usd-fraud-collapses-suitability-of-usd-for-law-abiding-citizens-in-commerce-questioned/
assbot: USD Fraud Collapses: Suitability of USD for Law Abiding Citizens In Commerce Questioned | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/16SA0OG )
mircea_popescu: cazalla possibly not bs seeing how it actually provides a valid verification method.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo btw, i'd like to propose a gentleman's contest, for the "best ever usd will fail" paragraph.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The could be a very great or very poor week for that. "infrastructure overhaul"
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Mircea Popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/02/usd-fraud-collapses-suitability-of-usd-for-law-abiding-citizens-in-commerce-questioned/
mircea_popescu: i thought it could run all over 2015.
mircea_popescu: next conference, have a sort of oscars. "best usd will fail paragraph" "best x" etc
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That could work. What's the stake?
mircea_popescu: being really cool ?
BingoBoingo: Sounds good.
mircea_popescu: i had no idea how much fun being a news contributor actually is :D
BingoBoingo: It's so much fun, until you have to sort through the noiseholes
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo first the pleasure, then the diapers or how did it go.
BingoBoingo: Sounds about right
cazalla: noisehole being eleventy billion hong kong exchange stole 375m articles
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: you do it so teh qntra reader doesn't have to!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20357 @ 0.00042154 = 8.5813 BTC [+]
NewLiberty: DarkLeaks auction: SR 2.0 is one the Feds presumably don't have, yes? Will they use seized DPR bitcoin to buy it, then correlate with the SR 1.0 dataset they already have? Oh the drama...
BingoBoingo: NewLiberty: Prolly a honeypot being put up the feds hoping some other Darkmarket operator might be dumb enough to harvest it for leads
NewLiberty: Or harvest it for extortion
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo right. anyone can code, not just anyone can take a list of prosepcts and ferret out the uncle sam agents in there.
mircea_popescu: yet people still imagine that they can make a company out of a magic coder.
chetty: !up NewLiberty
BingoBoingo: !up only
cazalla: "Officers found a hunting knife, a machete, a homemade Islamic State flag and a video recording featuring one of the men referring to committing a terrorist attack on Tuesday." ya hear that, homemade flags get ya arrested down under, best you get yours made in china
cazalla: could've been the video but i'm betting it was the flag
jurov: and put into customs declaration "isis flags. 100% nylon"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19766 @ 0.00041919 = 8.2857 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2834 @ 0.00041134 = 1.1657 BTC [-]
jurov: http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2vj079/usd_fraud_collapses_suitability_of_usd_for_law/ i'm curious what will come out of this
assbot: USD Fraud Collapses: Suitability of USD for Law Abiding Citizens In Commerce Questioned : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1z7cfK6 )
BingoBoingo: jurov: Hard to say they seem to be on to us https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2vhmy2/the_killerifyoudontpay_app_for_bitcoin/cohxlis
assbot: satoshi_pokemoto comments on The killer-if-you-don't-pay app for bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1vEhpkV )
jurov: i know. still think worth trying
Naphex: ben_vulpes: fixed it. thanks for the heads up o/
jurov: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2vh1ct/someone_robbed_my_mycelium_wallet_hd_account/
assbot: Someone robbed my Mycelium Wallet HD account. Total loss, ~2 BTC. Details within. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1z7cS6u )
jurov: ^ i know dude personally, he's owner of security (not snakeoil) company
cazalla: jurov, there were a couple of those today
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11566 @ 0.00041666 = 4.8191 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !up Sosovovo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5150 @ 0.00041666 = 2.1458 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00041666 = 1.2083 BTC [+]
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/purported-silk-road-2-0-dataset-up-for-auction/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10317 @ 0.00041821 = 4.3147 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10617 @ 0.00042109 = 4.4707 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00042154 = 6.1966 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.0004113 = 7.9381 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.0004211 = 8.2957 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: http://changelog.complete.org/archives/9299-has-modern-linux-lost-its-way-some-thoughts-on-jessie
assbot: Has modern Linux lost its way? (Some thoughts on jessie) | The Changelog ... ( http://bit.ly/1AXl6nm )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8017 @ 0.0004211 = 3.376 BTC [+]
Apocalyptic: "Non systemd users and distros are quickly becoming a threat. The big bucks behind projects like systemd, pulseaudio, ahavi and, most recently, GNOME and KDE where very competent on training some great minds behind software development as puppets for their interests" sums it up pretty well
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51100 @ 0.0004211 = 21.5182 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00042154 = 5.1428 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27100 @ 0.00041601 = 11.2739 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16605 @ 0.00042154 = 6.9997 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/obam.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CV2R2B )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57868 @ 0.00041126 = 23.7988 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 343017 | Current Difficulty: 4.44554159623438E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 344735 | Next Difficulty In: 1718 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 22 hours, 20 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 46775625458.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 5.21918
asciilifeform: 343017.
asciilifeform: ^ it synced.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron:
asciilifeform: !s al schwartz
assbot: 15 results for 'al schwartz' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=al+schwartz
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24065 @ 0.000422 = 10.1554 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: where is the romanian camel dude?
danielpbarron: yay!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21210 @ 0.0004155 = 8.8128 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: can we -please- have non-derperized search in log.bitcoin-assets.com ?
asciilifeform: the 'stemming' thing is retarded
danielpbarron: at least it loads well in lynx
asciilifeform: and prevents me from finding 9 out of 10 things i look for
asciilifeform: i'd have no ability to meaningfully search at all if i didn't have raw logs from an actual connected machine
asciilifeform: and i assume that's what everyone else is doing to avoid using the retarded search
danielpbarron nods
asciilifeform: not only is it retarded, but it is actually very much a symbol of all of the evils we speak of here.
kakobrekla: iirc mp commissioned that search via mthreat - seems the guy is in antarctica now or something, if someone wants to make a new search i can give you access to log api
davout: grep searching is best searching
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24300 @ 0.00041126 = 9.9936 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: man should be ashamed of himself for putting a titanic steaming pile of shit like this in public view.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00042349 = 7.2417 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: i've never seen an angry asciilifeform before
thestringpuller observes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11654 @ 0.00041126 = 4.7928 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: thestringpuller apparently does not read logs
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-10-2014#864590
assbot: Logged on 08-10-2014 17:47:47; *: asciilifeform has only a simple four-bit feelings register (sloth, avarice, lust, wrath)
kakobrekla: http://i.imgur.com/s4Ta2iJ.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/16TvSOn )
thestringpuller: That was in october! My long term memory can't be 100% #b-a logs.
mike_c: that's what search is for :D
asciilifeform: in other news, from the lulzfarms,
asciilifeform: 'Based on the public record, the Court finds that the Plaintiffs have failed to establish a sufficient factual basis to find they have standing to sue under the Fourth Amendment regarding the possible interception of their Internet communications. Further, having reviewed the Government Defendants’ classified submissions, the Court finds that the Claim must be dismissed because even if Plaintiffs could establish standing, a
asciilifeform: potential Fourth Amendment Claim would have to be dismissed on the basis that any possible defenses would require impermissible disclosure of state secret information.'
thestringpuller: haha mike_c made a funny.
asciilifeform: (Jewel v. NSA Plaintiff's Summary Judgment Denied. copy at http://cryptome.org/2015/02/jewel-v-nsa-15-0210.pdf )
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/16TwgMO )
asciilifeform: and, skipping straight to the end of the turd,
asciilifeform: 'The Court is frustrated by the prospect of deciding the current motions without full public disclosure of the Court’s analysis and reasoning. However, it is a necessary by-product of the types of concerns raised by this case. Although partially not accessible to the Plaintiffs or the public, the record contains the full materials reviewed by the Court. The Court is persuaded that its decision is correct both legally and fac
asciilifeform: tually and furthermore is required by the interests of national security.'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ^ for qntra ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.0004256 = 6.8096 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: searched the logs and can't find what version is running on the pogo :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00041126 = 7.7728 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: factory pogo ?
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: http://pogoplug.com/opensource << that one
assbot: Pogoplug: Open Source ... ( http://bit.ly/16TAkwn )
thestringpuller: i meant the ver. of bitcoing running on it
thestringpuller: was it the "portatronic" or what not you mentioned earlier (which I found in the logs)
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: i can't speak for the other folks running pogos, but these are the two builds i was running: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000039.html
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zLNneS )
asciilifeform: ^ how they were produced is discussed therein
asciilifeform: click on the links to previous posts, will find build instructions.
danielpbarron: thestringpuller, http://danielpbarron.com/pogo-build.sh.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zLNtTL )
thestringpuller: ah everything cross compiled okay not bad
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28000 @ 0.0004256 = 11.9168 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: http://starvingthemonkeys.com << mega-lol
assbot: Starving the Monkeys™ ... ( http://bit.ly/1zLPvmM )
hanbot: asciilifeform> http://starvingthemonkeys.com << mega-lol / what a we-evil
assbot: Starving the Monkeys™ ... ( http://bit.ly/1zLR83V )
ben_vulpes: <thestringpuller> [] That was in october! My long term memory can't be 100% #b-a logs. << pothead :P
thestringpuller: :(
thestringpuller: no need to be a bully
hanbot: i think a bully does chamberpothead, rather.
thestringpuller: what is a chamberpothead?
mod6: chamberpot(head);
mod6: flush();
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17054 @ 0.00041176 = 7.0222 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: what would it take to make a computer of the complexity of an amiga today?
ben_vulpes: i went to sleep mourning the computers my children seem doomed to use.
thestringpuller: mod6: so we are back in high school?
hanbot: you know, chamberpot swirlies.
hanbot: mod6 gets the obscure references prize. clearly he is the best qualified here to be digging through the bitcoind
mod6: :]
thestringpuller: Lol hanbot I got it, just didn't know this was the 90's high school mod6 attended :P
thestringpuller: Thought it was all about cyberbullying now :P
hanbot: join the new Cyber School! Learn to cyber like a pro!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26971 @ 0.00041558 = 11.2086 BTC [+] {2}
hanbot: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2vjzk7/gavin_and_the_cia/ << reddit suppression brigade hard at work. cause keeping the sheep in the dark is a winning strat now.
assbot: Gavin and the CIA : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/199F2rl )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14278 @ 0.00041597 = 5.9392 BTC [+]
mod6: hanbot: haha
punkman: !up coiner
punkman: looks like you are getting ddos'd
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8392 @ 0.00041597 = 3.4908 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7250 @ 0.00041597 = 3.0158 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: jurov: i'm curious what will come out of this << lol the defense mechanisms of these people.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00041126 = 6.21 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "I don't know what to think, really. I have AppOps active on my phone, apps are forced to request access to whatever resource they want to use... clearly none of my security measures helped."
mircea_popescu: heh busting out of appos jail is like... the easiest thing.
mircea_popescu: how about the security measure of DO NOT USE A PROPRIETARY DEVICE.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00041126 = 3.7219 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20083 @ 0.00041597 = 8.3539 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.BingoBoingo.3:f897d81412340d00fd94bd16bd7e0a9848c61da2d8e8ce69d467ff19a732aa2f
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for BingoBoingo from 2 to 3 with note: I get along well with this guy; very knowledgeable and serious.
danielpbarron: on a somewhat related note, i like XFCE
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00041126 = 6.7447 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2570 @ 0.00084848 = 2.1806 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00041396 = 3.0633 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00041535 = 2.8244 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15648 @ 0.00041126 = 6.4354 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !up coiner
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/latino-perspectives/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00041125 = 5.4285 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: ^ for qntra ? << I'll give it a look
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14401 @ 0.00042146 = 6.0694 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: kick the doggy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8YjvHYbZ9w
assbot: Introducing Spot - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1z8uu1L )
Naphex: https://twitter.com/XotikaTV
assbot: Xotika.TV (@XotikaTV) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1z8uyyH )
ben_vulpes: oh man
ben_vulpes: reasonable client is reasonable
ben_vulpes: i love it when that happens
trinque: ben_vulpes: nice when you can interact with an adult
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11035 @ 0.0004256 = 4.6965 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4393 @ 0.0004256 = 1.8697 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42477 @ 0.00041087 = 17.4525 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4262 @ 0.00040889 = 1.7427 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9T_ejfCIAEAXpY.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/19aeYfD )
danielpbarron: !up hegemoOn
hegemoOn: hello
danielpbarron: hi
danielpbarron: i invited hegemoOn from #monero
hegemoOn: thank you danielpbarron
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by PeterL: http://qntra.net/2015/02/summary-of-mpex-stocks-funds-january-2015/
danielpbarron: he might be interested in writing for qntra
hegemoOn: i will got a trouble with gribble, i revoked my gpg key not so long ago :)
BingoBoingo: Ah, I read that as Hedgemon at first. Hedgemon is my favorite cock fighting simulator from the late 1990's. Gotta Oppress then All, Hedgemon!.
hegemoOn: BingoBoingo: well use this nick since 1998, short after i read ender's game :)
BingoBoingo: Ah
hegemoOn: At first it was hegemon, but as there wasn't nickserv back in the time on ircnet, a polish guy used to sqat it, so i decided to add an 'O' and since then, never changed back
cazalla: BingoBoingo, black or white edition?
hegemoOn: anyway, what topic are you interested in ?
BingoBoingo: cazalla: lol, satellite states edition
hegemoOn: (i dont think an article about nickname history will interest much people)
BingoBoingo: hegemoOn: Puppies. Or animals with legs too short for their bodies generally.
hegemoOn: well, it's not my domain, will be difficult to fill blank page
trinque: hegemoOn: hey, let the poles be on the giving side of hegemony for once
BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/jSsUj.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KKjzCM )
hegemoOn: http://imgur.com/gallery/iUt8LCJ
assbot: Kwisatz Caterach - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/19agTAX )
danielpbarron: "i am become death...the destroyer of purrs" << LOL
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22170 @ 0.00041219 = 9.1383 BTC [+]
trinque: so another war eh?
thestringpuller: lol everytime I see hegemoney I think of Ender's Game
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3780 @ 0.00041219 = 1.5581 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11761 @ 0.0004256 = 5.0055 BTC [+]
trinque: who the fuck is at the helm of the usgov
trinque: discerning a coherent strategy is impossible
trinque: the thing must just be rotten throughout and falling to corruption on all sides
BingoBoingo: trinque: No one's at the "helm"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12188 @ 0.0004256 = 5.1872 BTC [+]
trinque: BingoBoingo: doesn't seem at all that there is
trinque: well, someone must be making the decision to shove military bases up russia's ass
BingoBoingo: trinque: They prolly just wedged a stick in there hoping it hold the course
BingoBoingo: Well, where else are military bases going to go?
thestringpuller: ;;google site:qntra.net bitreserve
gribble: Bitreserve Holds your Bitcoins as Fiat | Qntra.net: <http://qntra.net/2014/10/bitreserve-holds-your-bitcoins-as-fiat/>; X-BT Exchange Shutting Down | Qntra.net: <http://qntra.net/2014/10/x-bt-exchange-shutting-down/>; BTC Guild Shutting Down, May be Sold | Qntra.net: <http://qntra.net/2014/10/btc-guild-shutting-down-may-be-sold/>
trinque: BingoBoingo: I suppose of the goal is an eventual war
trinque: *if
trinque: this kind of power politics makes very little sense to me
trinque: they must just be convinced that 1) that could *never* happen 2) if it happened we'd win
BingoBoingo: trinque: I dunno. It seems at the moment the most beautiful thing in the world is the constant three way tension between USia, Russia, and Chinasia
trinque: seems one could stage something that'd pit the other two against each other
trinque: or pay someone to pay someone to...
trinque: were I china I'd do precisely that
PeterL: "We've always been at war with Eastasia"
BingoBoingo: Well the important thing is all three are forced by their interests to stay in a constant state of tension
trinque: mindless
PeterL: It's all a ploy to get more tax dollars funneled into the military-industrial complex.
cazalla: https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/54-my-first-message-to-satoshi/ lol @ USGavin pumping satoshi for his dox straight off the bat
assbot: My first message to Satoshi... - General - Bitcoin Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1CisLrQ )
trinque: PeterL: yep that much is clear
trinque: what isn't is why anyone in any position of economic or military power would stand to gain from an irradiated earth
trinque: "NO ONE COULD HAVE FORSEEN!"
PeterL: somebody has to get paid to clean it up...
BingoBoingo: trinque: A more solid gradient of power
trinque: maybe when drunk on that much power the only thing that'll really get you off is risking it all
BingoBoingo: The Enclave and the BoS seemed to do pretty well for a while.
trinque: seems like the modern powerful lack any imagination
trinque: or rather, the ones that do lack real power
trinque: the Elon Musks
trinque: there's a whole universe out there to piss on and claim as one's own
thestringpuller: Elon Musk is a scam!
thestringpuller: Cause he is actually an alien from mars just trying to get home.
trinque: thestringpuller: haha!
BingoBoingo: !up speedracer26
BingoBoingo: !up NewLiberty_
BingoBoingo: !up nubbins`
BingoBoingo: http://internet.gawker.com/the-lesbian-jewish-leftist-conspiracy-tearing-reddit-ap-1684788589/+tcberman
assbot: The Lesbian Jewish Leftist Conspiracy Tearing Reddit Apart, Untangled ... ( http://bit.ly/19arNXx )
PeterL: !up starsoccer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23550 @ 0.00042493 = 10.0071 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: PeterL: "have been released for December" -> January.
PeterL: oops
mike_c: oh, and thanks for the link!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23950 @ 0.0004256 = 10.1931 BTC [+]
cazalla: not PeterL's fault, i should've caught that but bit too much to drink last night
mike_c: i blame both of you. thirty lashes.
trinque: BingoBoingo | trinque: A more solid gradient of power << and an invisible dictatorship, seems like
trinque: or will the thing eventually step forward
PeterL: mike_c: i blame both of you. thirty lashes. << with a wet noodle?
mike_c: whatever you have laying around. noodles work
thestringpuller: cazalla you said you were givin' up da booze
thestringpuller: got some 'splainin todo
thestringpuller: lol
PeterL: givin' up until tomorrow sort of thing?
mike_c: I feel like Qntra is working. I haven't had to dirty myself on coindesk in quite awhile
trinque: mike_c: I'm a regular reader lately
trinque: good source of news
mike_c: yeah, cazalla and BingoBoingo are getting it done.
PeterL: the level of competition is not hard to surpass
mike_c: it's not, but previously it wasn't being done. now it is. that's nice.
thestringpuller: ^- i like this point of view
thestringpuller: spoken like a professor :P
thestringpuller: professor mike_c
cazalla: still lots more to do
mike_c: ugh, god no. academia and i never got along.
PeterL: ;;later tell jurov could you add S.QNTR and F.DERP to http://live.coinbr.com/ ?
assbot: CoinBr Live S.MPOE ... ( http://bit.ly/19avf4o )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
cazalla: thestringpuller, you're so mean :\ i should negrate you for victim blaming, it's not my fault i drink to excess
PeterL: the drink forces its way down your throat?
cazalla: well no but if you can retroactively withdraw your consent and claim rape, why can't i?
thestringpuller: HAHAHAHA
thestringpuller: OMG
thestringpuller: That escalated so quickly
thestringpuller: Fucking water just came out my nose and shit.
PeterL: I'm off to dinner, pot of chili has been simmering all day.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18350 @ 0.0004258 = 7.8134 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5035 @ 0.00042586 = 2.1442 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: !up hegemoOn
danielpbarron: !gettrust assbot hegemoOn
assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user hegemoOn: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/hegemoOn | http://w.b-a.link/user/hegemoOn
danielpbarron: you can actually voice yourself thanks to fluffypony
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21678 @ 0.00042586 = 9.2318 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6986 @ 0.00042586 = 2.9751 BTC [+]
hegemoOn: :)
hegemoOn: ok
hegemoOn: thank you
hegemoOn: well thank to my honesty, when i bought monero from him otc
hegemoOn: im discovering mpex.co and trilema
hegemoOn: i need 30.01btc to continue my discovery :)
danielpbarron: better get to writing
hegemoOn: how much does it pay ? :)
danielpbarron: and reading (the logs)
danielpbarron: 1 S.QNTR share per word published, not including blockquotes (or footnotes?)
danielpbarron: it's about 5 USD worth per paragraph at current prices
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41800 @ 0.00042614 = 17.8127 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12457 @ 0.00042661 = 5.3143 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3143 @ 0.00042701 = 1.3421 BTC [+]
cazalla: hegemoOn, this is what you need to know/do before writing for qntra http://qntra.net/2014/10/write-for-qntra-earn-equity-in-qntra/
assbot: Write For Qntra, Earn Equity In Qntra | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AZC84l )
cazalla: actually, wrong article
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00042701 = 3.715 BTC [+]
cazalla: http://qntra.net/about/ second last paragraph
assbot: Page not found | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AZCdEZ )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00042179 = 5.7574 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20050 @ 0.00042809 = 8.5832 BTC [+] {2}
cazalla: but if anyone meets the criteria, there are more than enough bids on s.qntr to make it worth your while, bingoboingo and i can't cover every single one so there is room
TheNewDeal: How does one receive shares sans mpex account?
cazalla: TheNewDeal, coinbr
TheNewDeal: Mmmm gotcha
TheNewDeal: ;;bids 216.90
gribble: Bitstamp | There are currently 454.36058 bitcoins demanded at or over 216.9 USD, worth 98962.6777544 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0182 seconds
TheNewDeal: ;;Ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 219.38, Best ask: 219.47, Bid-ask spread: 0.09000, Last trade: 219.47, 24 hour volume: 10130.00972289, 24 hour low: 217.99, 24 hour high: 223.43, 24 hour vwap: 221.18131801
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12247 @ 0.00042932 = 5.2579 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00042981 = 6.1678 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: mandarin: quit fucking joining and parting
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell mandarin quit fucking joining and parting
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00042981 = 8.0374 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: how much work to auto-kick join/part sp4mz0rz?
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2015-info/femen-strauss/femen-strauss.htm
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ec9Cd9 )
asciilifeform: ^ self-explanatory
PeterL: I feel like I need an explanation, wth are they doing?
asciilifeform: *auto-ban
asciilifeform: this is not only annoying but is a ddos vector of a kind.
PeterL: ddos how?
asciilifeform: log bloat
mike_c: so turn off join/part notifications?
asciilifeform: why should i
asciilifeform: 'doctor, arm hurts.' 'here, let me saw off'
PeterL: lol
mike_c: 'doctor, arm hurts' 'ok, i will build robotic arm for you'
PeterL: add culprits to ignore list?
mike_c: auto-ban seems harsh for something that may not be intentional
asciilifeform: may not be intentional << i might care if it were an actual person
PeterL: but according to gavin, disk space doubles every year, so you should not worry about bloat!!!1!
mike_c: if assbot autobans though, it may be actual person next time
asciilifeform: as it is, it's one of the silent remoras that may just as well be the ddosbot
danielpbarron: it's the same message over and over so it should compress well :p
mike_c: but, i am biased as i have join/part turned off.
danielpbarron: hey that was a different quit message; i think he got the message
PeterL: does log bloat count as ddos? it is not really denying you services?
danielpbarron: if my hard drive gets full it does
asciilifeform: PeterL: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=10-02-2015#1014281
assbot: Logged on 10-02-2015 02:58:05; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo, cazalla, other writery folks: anybody up for writing a basic likbez for the 'unified theory' of amplification attack as it applies not only to boring ddos but to gavincoin and in general to any system where some bozo can inflict cost C on you by spending c where c < C
asciilifeform: ^ mircea_popescu thought that this was obvious and doesn't need a likbez. turns out he was wrong ?
asciilifeform: PeterL: ddos vectors are about potentials.
PeterL: I guess it would be different with a concered attack rather than one idiot with a bad connection
PeterL: s/concered/concerted
asciilifeform: idiot with bad connection gives ideas to malicious idiots with many good connections.
PeterL: so you are suggesting putting in a join/part cap autoban now, to stop potental attacks in the future?
asciilifeform: just putting the concept on kako's radar.
asciilifeform: (assuming it wasn't already somewhere down on the list)
danielpbarron: maybe a command similar to !down that requires a few people to initiate
PeterL: !kick ?
asciilifeform: PeterL: idiot can rejoin after kick
asciilifeform: has to be a ban
danielpbarron: or maybe the reverse; assbot autobans, and if it was a mistake someone can !unban
asciilifeform: ^
asciilifeform: exempt folks in wot, these must face actual judgement of their peers
asciilifeform: but for remoras - the swiftest possible discipline.
PeterL: maybe if kicked then assbot also bans for n minutes? (n=30?)
danielpbarron: kick is such a silly irc command
PeterL: remora: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remora
assbot: Remora - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1EcfnYk )
asciilifeform: yes, them.
PeterL: nice name
asciilifeform: the suction cup fish.
PeterL: I like the imagery
decimation: asciilifeform: I second request for the likbez, would be useful to link
decimation: re: ddos < last night I noticed my internet had been taken offline by ISP, and I wonder if somehow the ddos'er can hack cloaks
asciilifeform: decimation: are you entirely certain that your client did not disconnect & auto-rejoin ?
asciilifeform: decimation: cloak tends to go to pieces in that situation
decimation: no it was disconnected at the modem
asciilifeform: yes, but prior to that
decimation: it's possible, I don't log closely
asciilifeform: and, disconnected how? had to open a service ticket with isp ?
decimation: well, I have a dsl modem with shitty chinese firmware
decimation: in its 'status' page it said "DSL Connected" but "Internet Disconnected"
decimation: I'm pretty sure "internet disconnected" meant that the pppoe session was down
decimation is sad that ppp is used over a perfectly 8-bit clean channel
asciilifeform: may as well also be said about tcp over lan, where no packet ought to ever drop unless the place is on fire...
decimation: good point.
decimation: there's plenty of shitgnomery in telco deployments
decimation: in this way, the docsis design is at least a clean sheet without layers of 'channelized data' thinking
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00042906 = 4.7626 BTC [-] {2}
danielpbarron: http://l.b-a.link/?date=27-11-2014#937343
assbot: Logged on 27-11-2014 18:53:32; fluffypony: besides, this is a trivial problem - all IRC servers in a network need to be in-sync (services etc.), so just sync up a table of IP -> random string key-value pairs
danielpbarron: decimation, ^
decimation: danielpbarron: yes, it is amazing that nobody has done this
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
decimation: only the endpoint server to which you are connected has any business knowing your ip
decimation: the shitgomes at google and facebook manage to 'sync' your account across many machines without revealing your ip to anybody
decimation: http://ownme.ipredator.se/ < amusement
assbot: BTC Piñata ... ( http://bit.ly/1EcjnrK )
asciilifeform: ^ amusement but not as author meant. 10btc is a laughable bounty for the problem posed.
decimation: asciilifeform: aye
Adlai: http://bitbin.it/jPDv00CG
assbot: rainstorm - BitBin ... ( http://bit.ly/19aNo1W )
Adlai: disclaimer: ideas produced on or around 4:20 are to be considered as highdeas, regardless of the author's actual mental state (in this case, drunk)
PeterL: it's 4:20 somewhere
thestringpuller: heh
asciilifeform: decimation: it belongs in roughly the same circus of lulz as, e.g., microshit's offer of 50-100k usd for 0days that are each worth a million pwned boxes, and the like.
mircea_popescu: cazalla bingoboingo "It would be nice to see more articles like this, but I won't hold my breath." :D
mircea_popescu: i tell you this is a niche :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00041855 = 6.5712 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: Naphex: https://twitter.com/XotikaTV < o hey.
assbot: Xotika.TV (@XotikaTV) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ecpn3I )
mircea_popescu: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/11/us-mideast-crisis-congress-authorization-idUSKBN0LF1KP20150211 << lmao
assbot: Obama asks Congress to authorize U.S. war on Islamic State| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/19aPpLw )
mircea_popescu: wasn't the party line that isis is really friendly ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: only when it was called 'syrian rebels'
mircea_popescu: oh oh i see.
mircea_popescu: so what about the ukraine rebels ?
asciilifeform: the usual afghani switcheroo.
mircea_popescu: once they start gasing people ?
PeterL: now they are saying that the friendly syrian rebels are different from ISIS
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2703 @ 0.00041619 = 1.125 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: aha just like the friendly mujahedeen
mircea_popescu: i can almost feel this coming, you know, by 2018 it will be "these ukrainian rebels that did ATROCITIES!!! that russia invented!"
PeterL: in Ukraine the rebels are terrists
mircea_popescu: PeterL not those rebels, the other rebels. the derps in kiev.
mircea_popescu: this is my ukrainian prediction : that before the decade is out a) kiev will be widely reported to have run atrocious concentration camps and b) the us/nato will be misrepresenting themselves as "against this" and russia as somehow related to it.
asciilifeform: sop.
mircea_popescu: i have never known of a militaristic regime that was frustrated in the field / widely inept military that didn't start massacring civillians.
mircea_popescu: it's like the loser husband with a smal penis - always beats the wife.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: kiev's been grinding up civvies in industrial quantities for most of a year.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i know. i'm the one with the intel.
asciilifeform: via shellings, rather than gasenwagen, but quite deliberately
mircea_popescu: but somehow the us propaganda machine seems to have never heard of this.
asciilifeform: it isn't any kind of secret
asciilifeform: except from anglos
asciilifeform: 'ESL'
asciilifeform: anyone who gives a fuck can get a live video feed of the 'fun'
mircea_popescu: i dunno dude, i seem to have missed the 500 headlines a day about how kiev is atrocious.
mircea_popescu: perhaps because of all the derpage about "women slave markets in the middle east"
mircea_popescu: (if anyone's going send me a coupla cherchez chicks too)
mircea_popescu: or how do you call it, Карача́ево
asciilifeform: kiev 'idea' was 'let's shell'em a bit and they'll pack up to ru, then we get cities, factories that we had no part in building, gratis, free of ru speakers, we can settle in our west ua orcs'
PeterL: I have a friend from Crimea, he still has family there, says they are all grateful to Putin for saving them from the fate of the rest of Ukraine
asciilifeform has blood relations there, ditto
mircea_popescu: PeterL this would be the general sentiment.
PeterL: mircea_popescu: but this sentiment is not reflected in the US press
mircea_popescu: how the fuck do you call these people in english anyway ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dja know ?
asciilifeform: who?
mircea_popescu: karachay ? cherkesia ?
asciilifeform: circassians
mircea_popescu: the traditionally highest priced white chicks in arab slave markets
mircea_popescu: ah
asciilifeform: as written in n. barber's 'the sultans' and other classics
mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/Flag_of_Adygea.svg < yeah that.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/19aQpPR )
decimation: speaking of predictions: I predict that hawaiians will be considered 'official indians' and be put on the bezzle dole http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/10/china-threatens-arm-hawaii-separatists-who-want-ki/
assbot: China threatens to arm Hawaii separatists who want kingdom - Washington Times ... ( http://bit.ly/19aQvqA )
mircea_popescu: chinese sea base in hawaii would be pretty epic
mircea_popescu: you know they want it. you know they could actually get it.
decimation: there has been 'debate' for years on whether the 'native hawaiians (korean slaves)' should be considered 'indians' and given bezzlars
mircea_popescu: that's clearly drawing to an end, yeah.
PeterL: decimation: next bombing of Pearl Harbor comes from the east?
decimation: well, if they have the patience to wait 100 years they might get it
asciilifeform: http://www.dpvintageposters.com/cgi-local/detail.cgi?d=9685 << related
assbot: DP Vintage Posters - Free Leonard Peltier Original USSR Soviet Union anti-American Protest Poster ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ectw7Y )
mircea_popescu: decimation they could get it next year if they cared enough.
decimation: hilariously, the actual hawaiian islands are 100% dependent on usg military, etc for income
mircea_popescu: decimation problem is chinese military has way more money.
decimation: if they became 'independent' they would just become someone else's bitch
mircea_popescu: ask anyone working for military tech, they'll tell you 2/3 to 90% of the chinese performance is due to "Stable financing"
mircea_popescu: decimation if they're going to be a bitch they might as well suck the shorter, better paying cock.
asciilifeform: another factor is that the 'middle kingdom' has yet to invent the modern military golden toilet.
decimation: I don't think the us military would give up hawaii without an actual war
mircea_popescu: o rly ?
mircea_popescu: lose 6 of the 10 aircraft carriers ?
decimation: of course, if they are too poor to pay anyone...
PeterL: it is a strategic navy port
mircea_popescu: and about 50 to 70% of the rest of the fleet ?
mircea_popescu: if they do that russia can simply move into poland. or japan.
decimation: nah, the prc doesn't really have a blue water navy
mircea_popescu: i wonder, which way they;'d go.
mircea_popescu: decimation it has missiles capable of bridging to hawaii just fine.
mircea_popescu: it's kinda close to them
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: would you take jp? and for what ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i would not take either.
decimation: I don't think china has the balls to start a missile war with usg
asciilifeform: pl makes a great nuke waste dump
asciilifeform: just like latvia
mircea_popescu: so does japan nowadays :D
asciilifeform: jp is full
mircea_popescu: but that's "why" : let the engineers move to st petersburg.
mircea_popescu: let the social studies experts rot in tokyo
asciilifeform: is jp long on 'experts' ?
mircea_popescu: kind-of.
decimation: now, the problem that usg has is that in 30 years, they might not be able to pay for missiles or soldiers
asciilifeform: decimation: they're working on a smooth transition to straight inca mode
mircea_popescu: decimation if the chinese shock the market (putting obama in the position of putin), they won't have what to pay for limo gasoline with.
decimation emits parse error
mircea_popescu: the entire non-"government shutdown" is predicated on rolling debt at 0.2% or less.
mircea_popescu: this can not happen without chinese aquiescence.
decimation: yes indeed
decimation: well, china is actually a fairly small owner of usg debt
mircea_popescu: if the chinese go 8% or fuck you, that's the end of paying. for anything.
mircea_popescu: not a matter of "Debt ceiling" anymore.
mircea_popescu: yes, but it's a fairly major player in the financial markets.
decimation: http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/foreign-ownership-us-government-debt-passes-6-trillion
assbot: Foreign Ownership of U.S. Government Debt Passes $6 Trillion | CNS News ... ( http://bit.ly/19aRhUu )
decimation: well, the way all the 'smart
mircea_popescu: does that include the belgium trololol ?
decimation: liberals think now, they would say 'that's not a problem'
asciilifeform: so usg will move to straight command economy.
mircea_popescu: sure, it's not a problem. but there's no paying for anything either.
decimation: the fed will just print more bezzlars and loan them at whatever rate is our choosing
asciilifeform: 'inca empire'
PeterL: at that point they will need to speed up the presses and hyperinflate out of debt
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it would last for what, 18 months ?
asciilifeform: the incas carried on considerably longer than that...
asciilifeform: will chug on until the conquistadores show up.
decimation: asciilifeform: what does usg have to compel a trade?
mircea_popescu: the incas carried out considerably longer on that principally because they weren't trying to keep carriers afloat.
mircea_popescu: that takes money.
asciilifeform: takes slaves.
asciilifeform: usg - has plenty.
decimation: not to mention keeping old people & minorities in free living
mircea_popescu: only provided they're allowed to roll debt.
asciilifeform: slaves to crew the boat, pull the hydrocarbons out of the ground, everything in between.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your model implies i am going to be able to buy off us destroyers.
asciilifeform: eventually
mircea_popescu: within years.
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: well... not much of a plan is it.
PeterL: what would you do with a destroyer?
asciilifeform isn't usg vizier, isn't paid to plan
asciilifeform only observes.
mircea_popescu: PeterL i dunno, shoot porn on it.
mircea_popescu: take it to venezuela and bombard the capital.
asciilifeform: it'd make a good slave galley
asciilifeform: fit oars
mircea_popescu: bwahahahaha
mircea_popescu: ok wtf oar fitted aegis class destroyer.
asciilifeform: that's what i always wanted to see
asciilifeform: it doesn't have to actually move
decimation: actually the carriers and the entire dod welfare parade is only about 17% of the total usg spending
asciilifeform: but it would be grand to see old 'movers and shakers' of usg row until the end of their days.
mircea_popescu: decimation but it's about 50% of the spending that actually does something, you see.
decimation: yeah that's about right
mircea_popescu: the other 50% is spent on imaginary things that meet no pactical verification
mircea_popescu: like paper pushing
asciilifeform: if you want to see usg spending, visit the 'potomac' quarter of d.c. area, for example
mircea_popescu: there's a difference between "keeping boat afloat" and "correctly filing form GX-22"
decimation: well, most of that is simply stripping people with money and giving it to 'deserving groups'
decimation: of that 17%, probably only about 10-20% of that is actually 'keeping boat afloat'
asciilifeform: at this point, virtually anyone living like 'upper middle class' and above in usa, is usg spending personified
decimation: asciilifeform: you mean potomac, maryland?
asciilifeform: (how? see tlp article)
asciilifeform: decimation: aha
mircea_popescu: the thing is, a destroyer "cost" a coupla bil, and will sell for what, 10-20k btc.
mircea_popescu: much like the russian leftovers.
asciilifeform: the mega-bezzle isn't simply buying carriers, it's buying countless yachts, mcmansions, etc
decimation: as I recall mike tyson had a mansion there, had real tigers
mircea_popescu: wasn't he bankrupt ?
asciilifeform: paying for hundreds of thousands of imbeciles to attent harvaprinceyaleton
decimation: http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2001-04-28/news/0104280333_1_tyson-blaze-fire-officials
assbot: Mike Tyson Potomac Home | Family of boxer Tyson unhurt after fire at Potomac home - Baltimore Sun ... ( http://bit.ly/19aRWp1 )
mircea_popescu: hmm, musta been diff boxer.
mircea_popescu: maybe hollyfield.
asciilifeform: *attend
decimation: asciilifeform: yes but most of those 'usg employees' are not actually on the official payroll
decimation: lobbyists, lawyers, contractors who 'bill' usg for their services
asciilifeform: decimation: virtually none of the real 'winners' are on civil service payroll
asciilifeform: nobody gets rich off civil service salary
asciilifeform: 'consulting' - sure
decimation: ;;ud potomac
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=potomac | The "Darkhorse" of rich American towns, Potomac is, based on per capita income , the richest community in the Country. While it is often believed that Greenwich ...
asciilifeform: 'captaining' pseudo-industries - sure
asciilifeform: ('intellectual property', etc)
decimation: someone has to 'provide' the muscle, buildings, etc in all those third world countries usg mucks with
asciilifeform: cutting straight to the chase - the folks at the management layer of all of these bezzlatrons are kept in mansions, boats, 'hookerz and blow', expensive lawyering, investatron fuel rods, etc.
asciilifeform: -this- is where the usg budget actually goes.
asciilifeform: the actual slurping black hole at the center of usgalaxy.
decimation: yeah, they are closest to the money that spews forth from usg
decimation: everyone else in wash dc is just the help
asciilifeform: the $maxints that simply vanish into the mountain of paper, where a missing $bil in the balance sheets isn't even interesting to the accountants - to the extent the sums represent real, vs. imaginary buying power -
asciilifeform: this is what ends up bought.
decimation: http://www.federalnewsradio.com/697/2012362/SIGIR-Defense-cant-account-for-87-billion
assbot: SIGIR: Defense can't account for $8.7 billion - FederalNewsRadio.com ... ( http://bit.ly/19aSknt )
asciilifeform: ^ items like above are so plentiful that no longer considered newsworthy
mircea_popescu: cazalla: lol @ USGavin pumping satoshi for his dox straight off the bat << funny how that works, in retrospect huh.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not the abundance that makes them not news worthy.
mircea_popescu: it's the simple knowledge that the usd is just a scam altcoin anyway.
mircea_popescu: would you / me / qntra / anyone give a shit about how many ether coins were "Stolen" ?
decimation: http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/health-care/item/13146-medicaid-fraud-in-the-billions
assbot: Medicaid Fraud in the Billions ... ( http://bit.ly/1EczpC9 )
decimation: "The amount[of medicaid fraud], just in New York, is estimated by Issa’s committee to be in excess of $15 billion, equivalent to $1.9 million per patient per year!"
mircea_popescu: lol issa.
mircea_popescu: decimation clearly if more money were spent on healthcare everything'd be better.
asciilifeform: ^ crank bait
mircea_popescu: "The amount[of medicaid fraud], just in New York, is estimated by Issa’s committee to be in excess of $15 billion, equivalent to $1.9 million per patient per year!" << ahahaha epic.
mircea_popescu: oops
mircea_popescu: assbot: The Lesbian Jewish Leftist Conspiracy Tearing Reddit Apart, Untangled << this i meant.
mircea_popescu: them redheaded
mircea_popescu: them redheaded hussies!
asciilifeform: (either one is meant to conclude that the figure is wildly implausible - or - realize that patients are not walking off with 2m each, and therefore xxx, and xxx is not a subject that can be discussed publicly in usa while retaining credibility in the state media)
mircea_popescu: because crediblity in the state media is desirable now.
asciilifeform: to the folks paid to give a fuck - yes
asciilifeform: the rest of us don't particularly care where the aethereum goes, as mircea_popescu put it
asciilifeform: it is quite obvious at this point, roughly where.
decimation: worrying about the flow of this money is the business of those folks in potomac
mircea_popescu: "Guy exposed a cabal of users taking over reddit yesterday, spawned a watchdog subreddit of 2500 subscribers overnight, was then banned by reddit's admins, all the subreddit's mods then banned, admins won't say why, and now they're handing the subreddit to the corrupt cabal of users who were exposed."
mircea_popescu: awwwww.
asciilifeform: decimation: they don't give a fuck re: the flow of money
asciilifeform: decimation: only the flow of the yachts, hookers, coke
asciilifeform: the money - is a proxy
asciilifeform: if tomorrow these things are not procurable with usd, they will be procured using direct corvee
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wai wat
decimation: asciilifeform: I'm not so sure about that. the folks you mention are not exactly used to physically compelling people to get what they want
asciilifeform: decimation: not personally
asciilifeform: decimation: but they have an understanding with the specialist guilds.
asciilifeform: decimation: mircea_popescu seems to think that this understanding will unravel if usd tanks, but i don't grasp how
mircea_popescu: ok so dear bitcoin-assets, please advise. I'm sitting here reading http://internet.gawker.com/the-lesbian-jewish-leftist-conspiracy-tearing-reddit-ap-1684788589/+tcberman and wodering : am i completely crazy to think this is related to http://trilema.com/2015/these-fools-have-been-handed-a-technology-so-clever-so-disruptive-and-revolutionary-that-the-rulers-of-the-world-would-have-to-fully-unmask-themselves-as-ruthless
assbot: The Lesbian Jewish Leftist Conspiracy Tearing Reddit Apart, Untangled ... ( http://bit.ly/1EcB1M9 )
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mircea_popescu: -tyrants-in-order-to-suppress-it/#footnote_1_59300 ?
asciilifeform neither expert nor has access to the proper intel, however
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but if your corvee theory is correct, why exactly was it that one could buy rusting cccp subs on the open market in 1991 ?
mircea_popescu: why didn't the politburo just corvee it out ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ru folks had something to surrender to
asciilifeform: and they eagerly did.
mircea_popescu: greed ?
asciilifeform: that something didn't arrive with free 'levi' jeans and disneyland passes for everyone, no
asciilifeform: but the illusion was convincing enough
mircea_popescu: the us can surrender to the most serene republic
mircea_popescu: as i have told them to do already.
mircea_popescu: why not ?
mircea_popescu: i would accept fealty from a us puppet president, sure.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> -tyrants-in-order-to-suppress-it/#footnote_1_59300 ? << Likely, but possible drama independently agitated
mircea_popescu: mike_c: i blame both of you. thirty lashes. << o.O careful with that, sht hurts.
asciilifeform: surrender of ussr wasn't the least bit centered on the brass
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what triggered me was the 8chan pic. seeing how
asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu knows this
mircea_popescu: !s 8chan
assbot: 6 results for '8chan' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=8chan
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but it was centered on the aspirational class. as typified by gorby.
BingoBoingo: Ah
asciilifeform: everybody from schoolboy in moscow to chukchas - surrendered
mircea_popescu: sure.
asciilifeform: everybody who drooled over the 'levis'
mircea_popescu: everybody drooled over THE WOT.
asciilifeform: was already surrendered
mircea_popescu: it wasn';t the levy's, not at all.
mircea_popescu: it was belonging. to what ?
mircea_popescu: to "the world"
mircea_popescu: which world ?
asciilifeform: to the 'human' (vs 'orc') world where they 'know how to live'
mircea_popescu: well... certainly no the 1920-1970 continuum
mircea_popescu: right. exactly.
asciilifeform: (a largely imagined animal, you pretty much have to have been there to grok this)
mircea_popescu: EXACTLY
mircea_popescu: so... how is la serenissima not exactly fit ?
asciilifeform: so who and where is drooling over wot ?
mircea_popescu: everyone i know.
asciilifeform: i mean, in the lands of barbarism
mircea_popescu: do the experiment yourself. ask peopel what the ideal world is.
mircea_popescu: notice what they express.
mircea_popescu: how they call it is irrelevant. note what they substantiall say.
asciilifeform: they're drooling over fast car, easy women, etc. - not wot
BingoBoingo: wd mircea_popescu http://qntra.net/2015/02/usd-fraud-collapses-suitability-of-usd-for-law-abiding-citizens-in-commerce-questioned/#comment-10019
assbot: USD Fraud Collapses: Suitability of USD for Law Abiding Citizens In Commerce Questioned | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1EcCXnP )
mircea_popescu: not that i've seen.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, women are easier than ever. and they're mostly affraid of them. why ?
asciilifeform: because they never learned to safely unscrew the detonator ?
mircea_popescu: mike_c: yeah, cazalla and BingoBoingo are getting it done. < +1
asciilifeform: (in usa they have secondary anti-handling detonators)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as far as they see it, because fucktarded politburo is poisonng gender relaitons.
mircea_popescu: this is exactly true, incidentally.
asciilifeform: that it is true is about the same kind of 'secret' as the 'missing $maxint'
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: so yes, the reagent is there.
asciilifeform: thing is, unlike soviet 'line', usg does not have a universally (or even widely) subscribed to opposite.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10927 @ 0.00042981 = 4.6965 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform most importantly : note that at the time they surrendered en masse, less than 1% of 1% had BEEN THERE
mircea_popescu: right ?
mircea_popescu: they did it on hearsay. right ?
asciilifeform: yes
decimation: moldbug had a piece on this, then tried to invent some 'tarded 'antiversity' thing
mircea_popescu: the matches are numerous.
asciilifeform: decimation: mr mold had enough brains to understand that his entire edifice falls apart without the answer to this riddle, but was unable to come up with a plausible one
asciilifeform: and instead crapped out - well - that
mircea_popescu: necessity is the mother of invention. and also, stupidity.
asciilifeform: and as far as 'man on the street' in usa is concerned - the opposite of usg is 'mad max'.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but the "man in the street" in russia STILL has batyushka portraits!
mircea_popescu: it wasn't the man in the street. it was EXACTLY the famished student.
mircea_popescu: the guy who has to choose between "VC shot" and "WoT"
decimation: eh, as long as everyone in the us has a full belly nothing is going to change
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: how much work to auto-kick join/part sp4mz0rz? << i occasionally do it, but meh.
mircea_popescu: decimation nobody was actually starving in russia in 1988
mircea_popescu: i mean that literally. nobody. more people were starving in new york than in russia.
decimation: yeah that's probably true
mircea_popescu: this was a major propaganda point (soviet propaganda had the unique distinction of actually being mostly true). nobody cared.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.00042756 = 12.0144 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: nobody... starving in russia in '88 << plenty in '93
asciilifeform: and yet 'omg111!111! levis'
mircea_popescu: right ?
mircea_popescu: so that's not a major driver of the behaviour.
mircea_popescu: also, it was plainly apparent to everyone in 88 that yes, 93 will be starving
mircea_popescu: NOBODY CARED.
mircea_popescu: even the people who could readily realise it'd be them, didn't care.
asciilifeform: took 50+ years of 24/7 massage
mircea_popescu: the romanian folklore has the exact discussion of this behaviour, as folklore.
mircea_popescu: ;;google da-ma mama dupa gyury ca ma tine-n virfu pulii
gribble: No matches found.
mircea_popescu: orly.
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ63C-DLk_Q <
assbot: Da-ma mama dupa Iura - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IXNHgE )
asciilifeform: if every male in usa had been secretly wanking to chicom gurlz under his blankets since... 1920s? - then we'd have an analogous thing going
decimation: and in his adult years, secretly reading foreign journals in his sharishka
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why's chicom come into it ?!
mircea_popescu: decimation well... qntra's getting moar popular :D
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell kermit fix your bouncer
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mandarin fix your bouncer
gribble: The operation succeeded.
decimation: lol I didn't know that korolev was a zek
mircea_popescu: incredibly, iirc this is actually mentioned in teh logs.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2850 @ 0.00042701 = 1.217 BTC [-]
decimation: ah yes, indeed. it is good to read old logs again
mircea_popescu: jesus this is hard.
mircea_popescu: for the record it's /mode #bitcoin-assets -b *!*zip55413@pdpc/supporter/bronze/kermit
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: but for remoras - the swiftest possible discipline. << eh, it's best to fix problems well after rather than well before they're problems.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9279 @ 0.00042701 = 3.9622 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2015#1015762 << this is lulzy. what it essentially says is, "this court will not protect the defendant's rights"
assbot: Logged on 11-02-2015 15:54:47; asciilifeform: 'Based on the public record, the Court finds that the Plaintiffs have failed to establish a sufficient factual basis to find they have standing to sue under the Fourth Amendment regarding the possible interception of their Internet communications. Further, having reviewed the Government Defendants’ classified submissions, the Court finds that the Claim must be dismissed because even if Plaintiffs coul
mircea_popescu: the logical segue is, "well it's a LOT better to publish the stuff on the internet than to submit it to a court"
mircea_popescu: "i bet you mp wouldn't say the USG gets to make classified filings"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2015#1015800 << leapfrogs ? :D
assbot: Logged on 11-02-2015 17:34:08; ben_vulpes: i went to sleep mourning the computers my children seem doomed to use.
mircea_popescu: hanbot: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2vjzk7/gavin_and_the_cia/ << reddit suppression brigade hard at work. cause keeping the sheep in the dark is a winning strat now. << to get a 45% result you need something like 20 votes cast, 11-9 unless my math's deceiving me.
assbot: Gavin and the CIA : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1zNE79Z )
decimation: mircea_popescu: even judges want to feel like they are in the usg wot
mircea_popescu: there's no usg wot tho, is the problem.
asciilifeform: why's chicom come into it ?! << example of empire to surrender to
asciilifeform: there's no usg wot tho << closest thing to a format usg wot may be the infamous 'plum book'
mircea_popescu: russians didn't surrender to iran ffs.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44600 @ 0.00041568 = 18.5393 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: why would the us surrender to china.
asciilifeform: they surrendered to the one and only mega-empire of the period.
mircea_popescu: no, they surrendered to the best wot to be had at the time.
asciilifeform: that massaged them for surrender for half a century.
mircea_popescu: it wasn't even us per se, it was more west germany than us.
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> to get a 45% result you need to include the phrase "not that there's anything wrong with that" / ftfy
decimation: asciilifeform: but the 'plum book wot' isn't really going to modify what the career bureaucrats think, see moldbug
asciilifeform: reflects, not modifies
mircea_popescu: hanbot lol
asciilifeform: unrelated,
asciilifeform: in case no one noticed,
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2015#1015730
assbot: Logged on 11-02-2015 15:09:50; asciilifeform: ^ it synced.
mircea_popescu: cool beans.
asciilifeform: tease preview:
asciilifeform: i've a bitcoind monstrous chimera with custom allocator
asciilifeform: but needs a little massage, and am presently mired in actual paying work (tm)
asciilifeform: custom allocator, meaning, actually aware of own footprint
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55400 @ 0.00041154 = 22.7993 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: asciilifeform: how did you tame layers of c++/boost mempool crud?
asciilifeform: magic.
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: looking forward to the list drop.
asciilifeform promises to post when ready for playtest

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