assbot: Logged on 05-02-2015 04:48:10; mircea_popescu: You can see the compiled assembly code for any just typed in function
mircea_popescu: well obviously profilers exist. just, people seem sorta shy to put the bytestream in your face so.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112120 @ 0.00037463 = 42.0035 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Vexual is not registered in WoT.
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decimation: I am retiring gentlemen, have a good evening
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the original point wasn't that there don't exist profilers, but that it's rare for a language to put the bytecode in the programmer's face, and especially for a new and (at least in my perception) hip one.
gabriel_laddel: regarding the preceding discussion on asm, common lisp vs. julia vs. C, the book Let over Lambda is quite good and discusses these and related issues in-depth.
mircea_popescu: an' tbh it wasn't much more than a passing remark anyway, so we've made more of it than its frail back can carry
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: lol. The idea of a closure doesn't need to be stretched out across several chapters, but e.g., the cl-ppcre chapter is good for the non-lisper to read.
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: i yet yearn for the day i dual boot os x and a lispy gentoo
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: I'm currently counting lines of algol and fixing up the dashboard
ben_vulpes: but that which gabriel_laddel described was a damned siren song for a boy who grew up on os x.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 176250 @ 0.00038187 = 67.3046 BTC [+] {3}
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: for a gentoo like what you describe, i'd go through the headaches of dual booting.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: why not sbcl on gentoo?
ben_vulpes: forgive me, but is it all not strange?
ben_vulpes: i'm entirely naive to quirks of the underlying chips.
ben_vulpes: what do you mean by "strange iron", though?
ben_vulpes: is the point to run sbcl on "strange iron"?
ben_vulpes: myeah, but i think i missed a leap in your reasoning.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: sbcl runs entirely without problem on mac os << so as to say "why bother with gentoo?"?
ben_vulpes: i'm using sbcl for stump, now that we mention it
mod6: ok all, not getting much of anywhere with debugging.
mod6: i've basically run and break when nBestHeight=167999 and then go from there, but not turning anything meaningful up yet. however, i'm sure i'm not sure how to dig into these vectors properly yet.
ben_vulpes: why would one bother with the native cruftery?
mod6: i'll carry on tomorrow. im like X_X at this point.
mircea_popescu: here asciilifeform : "I never read the proclamations of generals before battle, the speeches of Führers and prime ministers, the solidarity songs of public schools and left-wing political parties, national anthems, Temperance tracts, papal encyclicals and sermons against gambling and contraception, without seeming to hear in the background a chorus of raspberries from all the millions of common men to whom these high
mircea_popescu: sentiments make no appeal. Nevertheless the high sentiments always win in the end, leaders who offer blood, toil, tears and sweat always get more out of their followers than those who offer safety and a good time. When it comes to the pinch, human beings are heroic. Women face childbed and the scrubbing brush, revolutionaries keep their mouths shut in the torture chamber, battleships go down with their guns still firin
mircea_popescu: g when their decks are awash. It is only that the other element in man, the lazy, cowardly, debt-bilking adulterer who is inside all of us, can never be suppressed altogether and needs a hearing occasionally."
mircea_popescu: a damned sight more optimistic than you, this pessimist
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i did burn in excess of two days attempting to get either a firefox or chrome to connect to x under os x
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the idea with the native cruftery is, he found a reliable way to wedge the bitcoind at a certain heright which just so happens to be the checkpoint
mircea_popescu: but no one else ever ehard of this, and so we wish to see his block
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'll have to compile it meself, apparently.
ben_vulpes: while it must surprise everyone here, the fact that i am a process man who's only barely grasped the basics of *nix operation bears trotting out on a *regular* basis apparently
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: your lessons come too late, sir!
ben_vulpes: instead, instruct me on the arcane art of dumping specific blocks from a bitcoind 0.5.3
mircea_popescu: if the worst comes to worst diff blk00x.dat pre and post
ben_vulpes: tips on running for precisely a single block?
mircea_popescu: there should also be a bdb based method but it probably would take longer to untangle
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes have a logwatcher trigger ? renice everyything ?
mod6: during debugging, i did see something that mentioned "blk%04d.dat" when looking at the txout.scriptPubKey vector:
http://dpaste.com/1E4QQ9A
mod6: think that's the one to check?
mod6: (This was from inside where it does VerifySignature())
mod6: looks like 'i've only got 1: blk0001.dat, 985Mb
mod6: anyway, thanks guise.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> chick's so drastically ugly tho... << pretty indicative of the tail to which us brass has access
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50620 @ 0.0003758 = 19.023 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Argentina's president Cristina Kirchner attacked for 'racist' Chinese joke | World news | The Guardian ... (
http://bit.ly/1I63Ikf )
punkman: I setup a 0.5.3.1 node yesterday, stuck on 168000 today
punkman: (on debian wheezy, rev_bump patch)
ben_vulpes: would you be a dear and sync an unmolested 0.5.3?
phillipsjk: I don't think 0.5.3 supports bootstrap.dat, but I could be wrong.
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: what does bootstrap.dat have to do with anything?
ben_vulpes: oh, d'ja hack the whoopies BingoBoingo?
punkman: ben_vulpes: what's a known-good blocksource?
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] a) what chicks and b) what pay. << i can speak to the chicks
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Nah, hand listed at least for now. Over the next month or two will work on making categories more useful for browsing since mike_c wanted it so
ben_vulpes: punkman: using addnode= to add a node from which to pull the blocks
punkman: ben_vulpes: I had one of BingoBoingo's nodes plus dnsseed
trinque: asciilifeform: I once finished gentoo quest on a two-generations-back macbook pro
trinque: I still have the kernel config somewheres
trinque: that said fuck that shit; I'm sure there's an easier machine to deal with
trinque: and that is decidedly not anything lenovo's squeezed out recently
trinque: asciilifeform: nah, tis but the rambling of an addict who will never find his fix
punkman: but also it died the other day, and no warranty
trinque: -or- when the hell do I get a dataflowputer
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trinque: I was thinking my love of relational databases (view composition, etc) would map to that model pretty well
trinque: there's this idea of streaming queries that's been kicked around a bit
trinque: sounds sort of like what I read on loper
trinque: zen stick's good for ya, haha
trinque: asciilifeform: yes, the power has been declared to be, then the lamp may make use of that fact as it does
trinque: vs say asking "hm, at this point in time are there electrons moving in this wire?" *plug* "Yes." *unplug*
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> when you plug a lamp into a mains socket, is that also a 'streaming query' ? << For some kinds of lamp sure.
trinque: select * from qntra; -- streaming version would give me new articles that occur after the query was begun
trinque: why suggest relational modeling?
trinque: lots of reasons treated by smarter guys than myself
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: What of lamps that monitor/diagnose issues with mains power, totally a query.
trinque: BingoBoingo: or say I only read when the light is on
trinque: the reactive model of just firing up reading when there's some light to do it by is nice
ben_vulpes: <Vexual> [] 'hoes and money and violence an polotx << legendary
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> what of airplane propelled via pilot's farts. << If pilot is gassy enough why not? Optimize diet for flight.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] trinque actually they'll fight you, too. more than one woman got scared shitless of flocks of geese << this one time i was eating a burrito on the waterfront
ben_vulpes: doing nothing of import, minding my own business
ben_vulpes: and then proceeeds to march over to intimidate me
trinque: ben_vulpes: "bitch!" spans many species, lol
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assbot: Deathandtaxes is not registered in WoT.
ben_vulpes: now i can't quite beat the thing senseless with my helmet as, well, ussa
trinque: asciilifeform: I'll do it while wiping my paper with ass
trinque: ben_vulpes: I'm deedbottin
trinque: let me get the thing to publish once and I'll see if you're still up for a cig
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> or let's have water polling bottle on what shape to be. <<Water is perfect for polling bottle of its volume
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> now i can't quite beat the thing senseless with my helmet as, well, ussa << disappeared into sack?
trinque: BingoBoingo: he'd be arrested for... fowl molestation
BingoBoingo: trinque: I mean bird disappears into his sack, not his sack disappeared into bird for a bit.
trinque: ben_vulpes: hah yes let the banks imitate the fucking valley
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ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: the last million transactions are probably by volume idiocy spawned by wallets that inhibit address reuse
punkman: ben_vulpes, I'm working on "1-click" deploy/build/run/log ansible playbook
phillipsjk: ;;later tell mircea_popescu I sincerely hope the 1MB line in the sand is not simply a power-trip.
phillipsjk: ben_vulpes, got imported from gribble. I trade with him
ben_vulpes: no need to summarize your *one* rating for me.
ben_vulpes: absolutely none of this qualifies you to have an opinion about block size.
phillipsjk: Not even my 2 year electronic program or running a node for a year?
ben_vulpes: no more than merely existing gives you a say in how the world works.
ben_vulpes: don't make me finish this bottle aone, trinque
assbot: muxne is not registered in WoT.
ben_vulpes: i know you don't like the guy, but nuking his record?
phillipsjk: Well, if I ever get my Money Service Business registered, I will let you know.
phillipsjk has not worke on that in like 75 days months
ben_vulpes: why'd i think that a thing you've dropped for 2.5 months would ever see any action?
Vexual: what are you actually trying to do?
phillipsjk: Buy and sell BItcoin following the *letter* of the law. I am passive-aggressive that way.
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: the san-serif headers are kinda..bleh
Vexual: that got elanors tits? punkman?
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: well pipe down, read logs, learn something and then start derping about "power trips"
Vexual: ross about to get sentenced
ben_vulpes: bitcoin is a rare, scarce, unpollutable thing unlike everything else under the domain of the fiat tyrants.
ben_vulpes: the 1mb line is about preserving that scarcity in the face of all who'd turn gold into paper in Schwabe accounts and make your dollar into ninety cents tomorrow.
ben_vulpes: even though all i can ever aspire to own in terms of vehicle is that crown jewel in the plastic bezzle crown (the honda element), i yet recognize those valuable scarce and uncounterfeitable things like bitcoin and well-husbanded women.
phillipsjk: The problem is with 1MB blocks, Bitcoin will only be used for inter-bank settlements. Either that, or remain a niche. We are talking less than 1 million users world-wide.
ben_vulpes: you've made no argument as to this 1e6 number.
Vexual: look at my codebus dls
trinque: I'm at like 37% of rsync'ing leveldb turds up to the server
trinque: ben_vulpes: better just finish that yerself
danielpbarron: it's not that banks are bad; it's that fiat is bad. A bitcoin bank could work well. A service that holds bitcoin for you and lets you spend it with a debit card or something
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: anyone who could hold bitcoin (in the sense of actually controlling their keys, robustly) should trivially be able to wield either credit cards or local fiat
trinque: phillipsjk: dem stats is not the fucking point
trinque: what TPS will the network do if it fails entirely?
trinque: or hell, let me run trinquecoin from my laptop; I'll be the whole network
trinque: and I'll do a goddamn million tps
ben_vulpes: bitcoin is a store of value and a way to move money around without governmental interference.
ben_vulpes: if you touch bitcoin, you are going up against the fiat state. end of story.
phillipsjk: How many transaction per decade do you expect people to need?
danielpbarron: i feel like this confusion phillipsjk is having would be easily resolved by reading the log for 6 months or so :p
ben_vulpes: too bad he insists on waltzing in here and telling us about how the proletariat must transact in bitcoin several times per year.
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: proles will be lucky to buy a fraction of a bitcoin once per decade.
phillipsjk: The top 1% will be lucky to buy Bitcoin once per decade.
punkman: phillipsjk: the proposal is not to have 1MB block forever and ever
ben_vulpes: <trinque> get your forklift << not a bad analogy. preserving private keys is tough.
trinque: ben_vulpes: requires equipment and *taps noggin*
trinque: all sorts of other financial instruments can be derived from bitcoin once the thing itself is safe
trinque: right now it's nowhere near safe
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: the vast majority of people run winblowz and use iOS devices. are we to count them in our set of people who might use bitcoin someday?
trinque: you want to build your visa? build it on bitcoin, but don't systemd the thing and decide it must have a visa built in
ben_vulpes: at this point, i'm seriously entertaining the notion that phillipsjk is 3 phillipinos frantically composing sentences that sort-of make sense in english
phillipsjk: ben_vulpes, I have always assumed that if Bitcoin users commonly used Windows or IOS, we will learn that some major company had an "insider" push BItcoin stealing malware. (I think I mentioned that within my first 10 Bitcointalk posts.)
ben_vulpes: anyways, block limit ain't going anywhere. it diddles important scarcity characteristics, and the system isn't even in steady-state yet.
danielpbarron: are we supposed to have read your post history on some forum while you have not read the history here?
phillipsjk: Well, I guess I have to read logs to learn your "roadmap"
ben_vulpes: ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 2c2314f353 VerifySignature failed << that's familiar
punkman: did anyone try running phoundation's 0.6 ?
phillipsjk: It has and will change. The 1MB block limit was introduced to stop spam. You seem to be more militant than luke-Jr who called Bitcoin gambling sites spam. You appear to call all "trivial" transactions spam.
punkman: phillipsjk: the 1MB limit is not to stop spam
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: the 1MB limit is not to stop spam.
fluffypony: phillipsjk: the 1MB limit is not to stop spam.
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phillipsjk: <ben_vulpes> anyways, block limit ain't going anywhere. it diddles important scarcity characteristics, and the system isn't even in steady-state yet.
punkman: not just scarcity, slower block propagation can be disastrous
trinque: dude the average block size has to be what, 250kb right now?
ben_vulpes: the 1MB limit is actually in place because of block propagation chaos.
ben_vulpes: once upon a time, blocks were of unbounded size
ben_vulpes: propagation of blocks over the network was at that time...weird.
ben_vulpes: today, 3 mining consortiums might find a block within just a few minute of each other
phillipsjk: I always cringe when lusers on the forum brags some alt has faster "confirmation" times.
phillipsjk: That is the primary reason I am wary of Monero actually. 1 minute block|
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: you're aware that monero's an experiment, right?
phillipsjk: Currently Bitcoin is testing whether a secure, networked application is even possible.
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: ya well bitcoin monetized, and monero hasn't yet and likely won't so that's the kind of comment that paints you as entirely ignorant of the domain.
trinque: will my btcd still fart transactions at other nodes if I haven't finished syncing the blockchain?
ben_vulpes: the notion that the bitcoin protocol needs testing is pure FUD, from the enemies of hard crypto.
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: where did you get that key, anyways? did you buy it?
punkman: trinque: if you can build the transaction elsewhere
trinque: ben_vulpes: no way sounds lame
phillipsjk: No, back in 2009, my ISP said that they reserve the right to "inject ads in the browser". I have been singing my e-mail ever since.
ben_vulpes: i singed my butthole with a particularly firey fart the other night
ben_vulpes: back in 99 Vexual was my isp and we only communicated with caesars cipher
BingoBoingo: <phillipsjk> It has and will change. The 1MB block limit was introduced to stop spam. You seem to be more militant than luke-Jr who called Bitcoin gambling sites spam. You appear to call all "trivial" transactions spam. << His definition of spam is both more complex and stupider than that
punkman: "let's block fee paying transactions, yay!"
phillipsjk: BingoBoingo, for some strange reason, I don't doubt you.
ben_vulpes: the point that i'm making (for the clinically slow) is that the odds of a key from...2013 just showing up and having anything pointful to say, especially when citing bitcointalk as proof or substantiation of anything are...low.
ben_vulpes: especially when that key simply parrots that which is only said by those who wish to wreck the scarcity and value of core bitcoin economics.
gribble: Nick 'phillipsjk', with hostmask 'phillipsjk!~james@unaffiliated/phillipsjk', is not identified.
danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.phillipsjk.-1:162b44943bc0180c83a6648fa5aaaa3cbbeb78a4506a70bcbddccf8766452878
assbot: Successfully added a rating of -1 for phillipsjk with note: get back to me in six months
danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.ben_vulpes.1:d92e6c6794ef16570291b960cfc1f164b7e1dd41eb85d812c2ecfe1b9f870592
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for ben_vulpes with note: a *real* bitcoin dev
ben_vulpes: you'll bring der furer down on me and i'm trying to get to ars in the spring
gribble: Nick 'ben_vulpes', with hostmask 'ben_vulpes!~ben_vulpe@unaffiliated/benkay', is not identified.
gribble: Nick 'ben_vulpes', with hostmask 'ben_vulpes!~ben_vulpe@unaffiliated/benkay', is not identified.
punkman: we don't really do that anymore
ben_vulpes: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:c04e17d42f4139a1cf13c592cf1722b9116798c9122e99590d8dedff
gribble: You are now authenticated for user ben_vulpes with key 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA
trinque: something's not talking to something *crawls back under car*
trinque: add-key adds your public key to the bot's keyring
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148200 @ 0.00037334 = 55.329 BTC [+] {3}
trinque: ben_vulpes: nah works in pm
trinque: anyhow add-key adds your key *if* you're in assbot's L1 or L2
danielpbarron: doesn't the bot know your key if it knows you're in the l2?
trinque: add-deed noms a gpg signed document and queues it for timestamping
trinque: danielpbarron: you give it your key; it checks the web api, adds the key to the keyring if you're in l1/l2
trinque: and only eats docs with signatures it can verify
ben_vulpes: that's going to have to work in-channel, trinque
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97330 @ 0.00038368 = 37.3436 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42136 @ 0.00038734 = 16.321 BTC [+] {2}
deedbot-: imported: FC66C0C5D98C42A1D4A98B6B42F9985AFAB953C4
trinque: I'm fiddling with the publisher
ben_vulpes: mebbe a tidy little dinosaur in the footer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31019 @ 0.00038861 = 12.0543 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 19493 @ 0.00096996 = 18.9074 BTC [+] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2000 @ 0.0009705 = 1.941 BTC [+] {2}
Vexual: didnt james franco cut his arm of for sport?
Vexual: bioshokc pron is a thing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.00038861 = 13.5625 BTC [+]
punkman: danielpbarron: with orphanage burner?
punkman: danielpbarron: this one? "bitcoin-armv5-bastard includes the 'orphanage burner'"
Vexual: ill be loadinging up m old eeepc
Vexual: luckily the book doesnt nessitate anything in particular
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87790 @ 0.00038861 = 34.1161 BTC [+]
punkman: artifexd, maybe some relevant ideas for gossipd in that spec
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134500 @ 0.00036454 = 49.0306 BTC [-] {3}
punkman: "if you are Anthem member, or if you were an Anthem member, you've been doxxed... and quite comprehensively. And you were doxxed nearly two months ago. Or maybe not, because Anthem goes out of its way to NOT tell you when this occurred. If you were affected here's how they will notify you:"
punkman: "We continue working to identify the members who are impacted. We will begin to mail letters to impacted members in the coming weeks."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42700 @ 0.00038861 = 16.5936 BTC [+]
punkman: fluffypony: some insurance company
punkman: scammer pretended to be the CEO, told employee to plz send monies to china: "For the last months we have been working, in coordination and under the supervision of the SEC, on acquiring a Chinese company. ... This is very sensitive, so please only communicate with me through this email, in order for us not to infringe SEC regulations."
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2015 06:53:48; ben_vulpes: i know you don't like the guy, but nuking his record?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156200 @ 0.00038899 = 60.7602 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 5802 @ 0.00095 = 5.5119 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1145 @ 0.00094837 = 1.0859 BTC [-] {4}
cazalla: from a ransomware news piece.. "Once their files are returned, the Niedermayers plan to have their hard drive professionally wiped, and will change their IP address."
fluffypony: I'm going to offer professional wiping services
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 183550 @ 0.00039151 = 71.8617 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156572 @ 0.0003924 = 61.4389 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2015 06:52:46; trinque: b-b-but my pulse!
kakobrekla: they basically claim random ftw, which is lulzy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66250 @ 0.00038908 = 25.7766 BTC [-]
jurov: adlai: if you have problems opening exchange account, maybe we can do it together. but i'm not touching btc-e or buttstamp
jurov: we can use paymium or maybe coinmate.. but dunno if it works with smaller volume
jurov: perhaps i can look into kraken
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39650 @ 0.00038908 = 15.427 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102900 @ 0.0003877 = 39.8943 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16682 @ 0.00038366 = 6.4002 BTC [-]
lobbes: woo, finally got my VPS up and running. Now I just have to teach myself the basics of linux (Debian 7). So far I know how to view my current directory. Next step: running a node!
lobbes: plenty of comedy gold (tm) to follow
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108650 @ 0.00038366 = 41.6847 BTC [-]
PeterL: should be, I just restarted it a minute ago
PeterL: I'm not sure why he stops, but it seems to get fixed if I restart
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101371 @ 0.00038759 = 39.2904 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: PeterL: nice! i missed having that page.
jurov: like, no one looked at it before?
PeterL: well now somebody found it, many eyes worked
mircea_popescu: i dunno of any "profession" "industree" etc ever in history of mankind to be so fucking... i don't even know. inconsistent ? mixed ?
mircea_popescu: PeterL i hope for the sake of your soul that you're being kako-level sarcastic.
PeterL: the profession of prostitute includes alot of fucking ...
jurov: PeterL: yes I found it..after half year
jurov: er.. one and half year
PeterL: I think I forgot my sarcasm tag somewhere
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28768 @ 0.00038366 = 11.0371 BTC [-]
jurov: #devops at one's own peril
punkman: swinger's club next to christian school campus, synergy!
mircea_popescu: place for a bunch of derps to go and be all weird and pretend it's jesus' fault amirite.
assbot: Goodpasture Christian School | "Building confidence, intellectual growth, and spiritual strength." ... (
http://bit.ly/1D223at )
mircea_popescu: To see the cast list for Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat scroll down to the bottom of the page and click on the attatchment.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91900 @ 0.00038267 = 35.1674 BTC [-] {2}
BigBitz: mircea_popescu opportunity of a lifetime coming up.
Rippleflip_: i have been forwarded here from #bitcoin-otc
Rippleflip_: we run stellarflip.com and rippleflip.com and are possibly selling these services
chetty: how does one person typing use 'we' unless of course its a royal we
mircea_popescu: so what do these do, exactly ? some sort of coin flip thing ?
BigBitz: mircea_popescu gambling for Stellar and Ripple.
mircea_popescu: and limited to ripple and "stellar", ie, two dead scamcoins ?
mircea_popescu: that's cool, but wh ydo you think the site's worth something in bitcoin ? neither ripple nor stellars are worth anything in bitcoin
Rippleflip_: mircea_popescu: we're open to offers but 1,250 BTC sounds reasonable to us.
mircea_popescu: let me guess, it would roughly repay what you think the valuable value of your time spent on it so far
BigBitz: Rippleflip_ I did offer 25 Doge.
Rippleflip_: mircea_popescu: i don't know. we set the price on the low end compared to other gambling site valuations
Rippleflip_: bitbet.us has been played significantly less than ours, yet it's valued at 2000
jurov: Rippleflip_: the valuations include the bankroll. but you are keeping the bankroll i presume
jurov: and selling only code/domain
PeterL: do you have a report on monthly income produced over the past year?
Rippleflip_: jurov: the bankrolls we have are quite small
mircea_popescu: if someone puts 1 btc for 1 year on bitbet, and someone puts 1000 ripples for 10 seconds on your site,
mircea_popescu: you got 10k ripple seconds and bitbet got 31536000 bitcoin-seconds
Rippleflip_: mircea_popescu: i meant stellarflip.com itself has been wagering more in 6 months than for example, bitbet all-time
punkman: 8million STR total profit = 134 BTC
mircea_popescu: can you even sell 10mn "stellar" without ruining the market permanently ?
thestringpuller: so why is this channel only boppin' when a nigga gotta put in work?
punkman: 3,595,158,975 stellars available now
BigBitz: 'assume' do your research, please.
thestringpuller: and not when you know I'm in a meeting trying to kill time.
mircea_popescu: oh inside network ?! nobody i know would touch it. inside of what ? got its own wot ?
Rippleflip_: mircea_popescu: you have to verify everything,, there is no point if i tell you
BigBitz: selling 10M STR would destroy their market.
mircea_popescu: so according to poloniex, 10 cents worth of stellar (at 0.004) and 64 bitcoins' worth of same (at 0.00whatever) sold in the past what is this, day ?
fluffypony: hitbtc is most probably a scam so I'd avoid that
mircea_popescu: "24hr Volume: 646.141 BTC / 195.554 XMR / 2838.69 XUSD" nuts.
mircea_popescu: if this liquidity is natural i'll eat my hat. for one thing, the people interested in alts are interested in alts specifically because they're bitcoin poor. to propose to me that they are 100x more likely to trade btc than usd seems beyond counterintuitive.
fluffypony: there's a shitload of liquidity in alts
fluffypony: they make hundreds of BTC on one scam, then lose half of it to another scam the next day
fluffypony: the new altcoin PoS scam is "hyperinflation"
mircea_popescu: and for other people to be all like "I MAKE MONEY WHILE YOIU SLEEP!!11"
fluffypony: you basically just have to have the wallet open
fluffypony: and then your coins add to the "stake weight"
fluffypony: so no mining, just wallets "staking" and earning "interest" for it
mircea_popescu: if you look, throughout 2011/12 some mentally deficient dank clone spent his time producing prose (not so different from the gavincoin crapolade) professionally explaining how bitcoin is obsolete
mircea_popescu: then artforz found it had a hole, and then it changed to having 12 magic nodes with 10 mn "unspendable" coins each
fluffypony: ok not sure about SolidCoin, but PeerCoin's whitepaper is from August 2012
fluffypony: it may have been influenced by ideas RealScammer had
fluffypony: I think King and Nadal genuinely wanted to find an alternative to PoS
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mircea_popescu: well there's a difference between wanting and trying things out you know. i also want to find a cure for cancer, but i'm not going around feeding people pills.
the_scourge: fluffypony: there was a post about possible PoS vulnerabilities written by Vitalik. for what his opinion is worth
fluffypony: the_scourge: PoS is not a terrible idea, it just doesn't work
the_scourge: fluffypony: you may very well be right. what are the top reasons why not?
fluffypony: the_scourge: Vitalik's approach to solving anything is to layer complexity on top, his Delegated PoS thing is just ugh
the_scourge: 'cause reasons like 'keeping it anonymous AND democratic' don't fly for me anymore. butterin is worried about democracy or whatever, i'm past that point
mircea_popescu: this is pretty much the "us academia" solution to everything. "make it more complicated, people won't notice"
the_scourge: the freicoin solution is shockingly simple. my mind appreciates that :D
mircea_popescu: pretty much born out of their poverty years, each academic spent some time going "well if i think of it really complicatedly, i won't be so hungry anymore and those won't really be cockroaches"
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: this reminds me of conversation we had of Grad students being pimped out.
Rippleflip_: PeterL: no. it's also worth nothing if we make it. potential buyer has to do the research. we can of course give you data
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yeah, he has it in git if you want to step back to previous versions
fluffypony: 6.4 is the section where he rips PoS a new one
PeterL: Rippleflip_: what's worth nothing?
PeterL: where else would info come from?
Rippleflip_: PeterL: it is all 100% verifiable from public ledger
the_scourge: fluffypony: is apoelstra his github account?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: he's attached to the Monero Research Lab as one of the MRL Friends, so he's participated in some of the Schnorr signature multi-sig discussions we've had
Rippleflip_: well, a bit over 20000 unique players, over 1,5 million usd wagered (possibly over 2 million with bitcoin value being higher in the past)
the_scourge: fluffypony: i'm intruiged by his ideas and would like to subscribe to his newsletter
Rippleflip_: been operating with the same engine for over 1.5 years
mircea_popescu: srsly, "Textual enumeration of incentives related to Bitcoin software." ?!
fluffypony: the_scourge: he doesn't have a newsletter
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell kanzure saw your enumeration incentives thing. lolz were had.
the_scourge: fuck another canadian expat. we are fucking awesome
mircea_popescu: Rippleflip_ you know, the only moral here is that spending 1.5 years outside of the wot essentially cost you 1250 btc
mircea_popescu: or w/e chance at that you might have built over the 1.5 years in question.
the_scourge: mircea_popescu: is that incentives whitepaper actualy kanzure ?
mircea_popescu: the_scourge i would imagine so, and if not i'll soon find out.
Rippleflip_: mircea_popescu: we will of course use escrow with the buyer
Rippleflip_: so i do not see it essential to being in the WoT
Rippleflip_: #bitcoin-otc laughed at the pricing of 1,250. is it really too much?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony got a link to the actual github in question ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I already told him that when he joined -otc nearly two hours ago
the_scourge is reading whitepapers but would like to pause and say that maybe alf is right, intelligence and creativity are orthoganal to complexity
mircea_popescu: Rippleflip_ to put it plainly : someone who does not see being in wot as esential can not possible have yet done anything whatsoever worth any amount at all, in crypto.
assbot: Rippleflip_ is not registered in WoT.
assbot: Rippleflip is not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: Rippleflip tom swanson famously argued the same stuff, from perhaps a better position than you'll find yourself in.
mircea_popescu: so now : take that website, give it away or whatever, go to read the logs for the next year or so.
mircea_popescu: after which, come back, do something useful with your time, that'll actually be worth money.
the_scourge: would this be a good time to talk about how the mud pie fallacy is VERY apropos :)
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the_scourge: i actually wish there was a marxist around to make it. at this very instant. < speaking of making things insanely complex
mircea_popescu: in any case it indicates it's a fallacy older than feudalism.
the_scourge: well it's true. my dad was smart enough to say shit like 'it doesn't matter how hard your working if the thing you're working on is useless', and yet today the highest academics actually think that this universal gnon rule can be broken because they invented more complexity?
the_scourge: mircea_popescu: will google translate do that justice?
mircea_popescu: it is more a function of people being removed from the means of production than anything. no living thing will ever accept its pointlessness. as such, cargo cults and mud pies everywhere.
mircea_popescu: the_scourge from experience, not even human translation by billingual hands do my prose justice.
the_scourge: mircea_popescu: mission accomplished. i'm going back to reading that whitepaper
mircea_popescu: fluffypony srsly, got a link to the whitepaper's github ? guy's tree's gnarly.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I've pinged him to ask where it is
BigBitz: I just don't have my key on this terminal.
BigBitz: I am authed with gribble :)
gribble: Nick 'BigBitz', with hostmask 'BigBitz!~BigBitz@unaffiliated/bigbitz', is identified as user 'BigBitz', with GPG key id AB6B34E4289B7F96, key fingerprint E6D96C3A035A057AD9DD8A9DAB6B34E4289B7F96, and bitcoin address 1BigBitzyouKT2eVYvHbRUNMkCp9bvAvSu
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: it's at git://git.wpsoftware.net/bitcoin/alt-essay.git
fluffypony: so no pretty github interface, but git works fine
mircea_popescu: curl: (1) Protocol git not supported or disabled in libcurl
mircea_popescu: a kind soul with git installed pls dpaste that shit sometime ty.
the_scourge: "Finally, it should be mentioned that developer-signed blocks are known in the PoS community as
the_scourge: checkpoints. This is a very misleading name because it is already used to describe an anti-denial-of-
the_scourge: service measure of Bitcoin’s peer-to-peer network; Bitcoin’s checkpoints have nothing whatsoever
the_scourge: erg sorry for multi line but this does not explain why peercoin's checkpoints won't work. we should call them something else if the word is causing a problem in discussing it
fluffypony: the_scourge: because with Bitcoin checkpoints are optional, and won't be needed eventually. with PeerCoin they will always be needed (for pure PoS).
fluffypony: otherwise they're open to stake-grinding attacks the minute they take them away
fluffypony: whereas with Bitcoin if you remove the checkpoints nobody has enough hashing power to be able to rewrite history back several thousand blocks
mircea_popescu: in other words : in bitcoin checkpoints exist mostly because the protocol is strong, and the power rangers are trying to leech strength to prop their own shitty code.
mircea_popescu: in ppcoin they exist because the protocol is very weak, even weaker than the code,
mircea_popescu: and the local power rangers are trying to prop both by fiat.
the_scourge: at some point, the checkpoints in ppcoin won't be needed
the_scourge: 'cause the coin-days of legitimate holders will far exceed whatever a grinder could possibly come up with
the_scourge: i don't see very much difference between that and PoW blockchains which have vulnerabilities early on, and can't be truly invulnerable until legitimate mining is consuming 51% of the earth's electricity
the_scourge: until that point, it's still just probability
mircea_popescu: you're committing the shaman mistake. that is to say, the mistake to believe categories in your mind have objective substance.
the_scourge: ppcoin is more of an agorist/WoT effort to get past that post. more activity, more coin-days, more legitimate: less chance of a grinding attack. until that point, you're hoping that the highly improbable does't happen. how is that different?
the_scourge: WoT is proof that there is 'legitimate holder', n'est pas?
mircea_popescu: it's a post hoc determination, and for this reason can not be used in any phenomena discussion.
mircea_popescu: the difference from the wot is actually quite instructive. in the wot, one is at the liberty to consider history, but in no sense required to do so. in your model, one automatically is held to consider history. it's true that they both to some degree rely on the continuation fallacy,
mircea_popescu: however once that's automatic everything changes. which is why the wot can not be automated.
the_scourge: automated can mean 2 things: 1. reduce the roteness, man the hard things easy 2. skynet
the_scourge: and considering i'm a NRx'er, i'm pretty sure i'm for the former and against the latter
the_scourge: but basically, post-libertarianism. therefore bitcoin is designed with the wrong assumptions about society. it's designed by progressives. every person in the world born after 1805 is a progressive, more or less
the_scourge: i think it's a misconception that yarvin started NRx or even is/was a leader in any way. he's a good writer. he is NRx, yes
mircea_popescu: can youstick to one nonsequitur per paragraph, instead of one per sentence.
the_scourge: please point them out, i'll not say a word in the meantime
mircea_popescu: so let's leave aside the "therefore" bitcoin this and that, as i dun have the energy. instead, re "nrx" : i have little doubt that there are some kids in the us that thought the one repackaging of stuff they ran across is somehow more significant than all the repackagings they don't know, and definitely more significant than the originals. and that they need a name and so on. this exercise in nominalism does not instit
mircea_popescu: ute them as important, contrary to the tenets of the us religion of marketing.
mircea_popescu: so i'm not too inclined to see any of these lables as anything more than "ignorant kids from the us web". be it "nrx" or "neoreaction" or etc.
mircea_popescu: ok. this much given, it can never be denied that the repackager of any one is, for all purposes, the 'leader'.
mircea_popescu: the entire thing having no further substance past repackaging, obviously the coca cola company is the coca cola thing, and yarvin is the "nrx" thing.
the_scourge: uh, about my first yes, i should have said i understood where you're coming from, but i'm not sure you're observations are at all correct. on the second yes, you're very much wrong
the_scourge: fluffypony: it is relevant. this is another sign that society will colapse and i and many others were TOTALLY misguided on many thing in the last days of the empire
fluffypony: the_scourge: I think we're going to end up like the people in Wall-E
the_scourge raises hand < don't call me a prick, no one else did
the_scourge: fluffypony: never seen it, would idiocracy be a similar example?
mircea_popescu: Warning: mysql_select_db() expects parameter 2 to be resource, boolean given in /home/imsdb/public_html/dbscon.php on line 5 << ahaha epic
the_scourge fires up tribler, i think mrs scourge would enjoy that one!
punkman: yarvin is the "nrx" thing. <- if not yarvin, who?
the_scourge: there are hundreds of writers. probably thousands like myself who haven't got a public profile.
the_scourge: do you want me to start rattling off urls?
punkman: there is the LessWrong crowd, and the guy that left to make MoreRight
mircea_popescu: last time intel got the job to diagnose this (after princessnell brought it up) it turned out there's maybe a few dozen blogs, all dead.
punkman: but yarvin pretty much came up with the term "neoreactionary"
punkman: I'm sure there's a whole bunch of "writers" that saw "NRx" and thought "hey, Rx is the good stuff right"
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mircea_popescu: actually it wouldn't surpriose me to find that's the process through which it was invented. all like nlp and shit, yarvin sat down and figured hey, this is going to positively attract the esl retards.
punkman: hey nlp is natural language processing, good stuff
mircea_popescu: nlp is like, "the law of attaction", before it was dumbed down for daytime tv.
the_scourge: nick land, freenortherner, dalrock, sunshinemary, socialmatter.net darwinianreactionary.wordpress.com, anarchopapist, anomalyUK, cappy (captain capitalism) < all these have posts within the last week or less
mircea_popescu: there's something to be said for a society so dumb, even the scams have to be dumbed down lower and lower each generation.
punkman: the_scourge: well now it's "cool" to write about it
mircea_popescu: and the something that's to be said is : hory shit that puts isis, china and everyone else in a bad light
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pete_dushenski: some of your fellow nx'ers picked up on an article of mine
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski the proposition that kids should (or want to) "improve the world" is untenable.
mircea_popescu: they are busy with much more suited tasks : picking a group and figuring the hierarchy.
mike_c: but that title :D awesome.
punkman: maybe "improve your world"
mircea_popescu: but it IS a perfectly valid if not the only available means for them to improve hteir world.
pete_dushenski: but from the perspective of reality-divorced idealists...
mircea_popescu: a while back they could also improve it by handing out at elbow of papa while papa worked
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski anyway, it's actually been in the logs.
the_scourge: pete_dushenski: well poseidon isn't wrong you are reactionary
mircea_popescu: ah there we go, it's right, i forgot it indexes after a delay.
assbot: Logged on 05-05-2014 01:39:07; mircea_popescu: i also picked up "nrx" today
the_scourge: i agree with everyone's sentiment regarding hipsters trying to figure out what ism they are. as someone who's had to earn all his priviledge, i went to uni with such people but cannot relate to them much. however didn't we just tell mr BigBitz and partner that it doesn't matter how hard you work, if you're working on the wrong thing?
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mircea_popescu: the_scourge so how do these two come together in your reasoning there ?
the_scourge: right, so we know that working on a stupid protocol or technology is just wasting time. what about working within a social framework which is even more broken?
mircea_popescu: the_scourge but you see the difference between working on and working within ?
the_scourge: BigBitz: sorry, was it your friend Rippleflip who was the proprietor of those sites
mircea_popescu: like, working on a mud pie is stupid, working in a badly designed house may or may not be stupid ?
BigBitz: I have no idea who he is. I banned him from -otc originally.
BigBitz: don't associate me with him ;)
the_scourge: oh! ... i joined today at the point where you said "opportunity of a lifetime" < perhaps slightly /sarc ? :)
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski if you got the guy's email by virtue of him commenting, and you don't mind, drop him a note saying i loathe blogspot, but if he has time drop by for a chat.
the_scourge: i think "badly designed" might be giving too much credence
mircea_popescu: the_scourge the standing advice for all usians has been "get the fuck out of the us" for at least a year.
mircea_popescu: some people listen, most don't, which hey. sounds almost like irl.
mircea_popescu: the jews found themselves in a similar situation all through the 30s.
mircea_popescu: (and in this perspective, the holocaust is proper and well deserved fucking punishment. next time - listen better.)
the_scourge: mircea_popescu: good advice but as a non-USian who has spent 90% of his life outside the US and 100% of his adult life outside of N/A, and has lived in non-western places as well, i think there could be something said for living for a short while in california or new england
the_scourge: i lived in socal in mid-90s. i could see them, but they were not obvious
the_scourge: i think a teenager today would find them obvious.
the_scourge: why would you go other than to see the cracks and be warned?
mircea_popescu: the only reason one'd ever go to either republic, would be to fuck college girls.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: definitely. i'm answering one of his comments right now, as it so happens
the_scourge: pete_dushenski: you seem to have read some of nick land
pete_dushenski: i think i referenced another one of his articles in the comments section of that first one
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mircea_popescu: it seems to me this entire "we" whatever it is, if it had any sense whatever, would show up here.
mircea_popescu: it's unclear if we politically agree or not, but it is not yet in any sense clear we disagree to any degree, and more importantly, we have nuclear weapons.
mircea_popescu: so in the sense western "intellectuals" migrated to russia in the 30s, they're stuck migrating here anyway.
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the_scourge: oh yah he takes it as a manifesto. obviously my reaction would only be for those who are meticulously combing through UR, and haven't even bothered to have a gander at xenosystems yet
mircea_popescu: "What is this? The first*, the biggest** and the best*** IRC community." kakobrekla you sly* dog** you*** :D
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: this exactly. twas my comment about nrx not grokking economics, money, and the fundaments of power
the_scourge: the question is, have NRx found out that we actually live in a world where 'nuclear' weapons don't do anything? that's potentially one of the corellaries to the entire argument
mircea_popescu: mod6: looks like 'i've only got 1: blk0001.dat, 985Mb <<< heh how about that, first 168k blocks fit in 1gb, the next 168k blocks fit in 35 gb.
mircea_popescu: if the next 168k blocks fit in 1.25 tb we're so fucked...
pete_dushenski: the_scourge: i've read more xeno that ur, it so happens
pete_dushenski: the_scourge: and nuclear weapons most definitely do something
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> chick's so drastically ugly tho... << pretty indicative of the tail to which us brass has access << kinda my supposition yeah. kinda sad if true. the competition to be him is at least 100k to 1. the competition to be her ? it's like superunitary, 0.x to 1.
the_scourge: pete_dushenski: ah that explains my crossed wires
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski which is this xeno thing it seems familiar somehow
pete_dushenski: we're essentially assembled here to make sure wmds do something productive
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Everyone who wanted qntra to have a category page << remove the <li>, separate them by ; instead ?
mircea_popescu: oh now i know whence i know him, he linked to me a few times.
mircea_popescu: Bitcoin address: 18YKtNeAy43kFVBzynHeusiaiiAa8pCZFP no less.
pete_dushenski: how long do people have to admire from a distance before talking to the pretty girl ?
pete_dushenski: particularly when the pretty girl is friendly and open to conversation like 20/24 hrs every day
pete_dushenski: on a digital forum where you don't even need to fuss about body language
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the_scourge: pete_dushenski: because most don't quite understand the point. i kinda get the perceived problem (thanks to alf) but the solution, while cool, hasn't struck me as nuclear (yet)
mircea_popescu: ask @Outsideness if he still has the priv key to that bitcoin addy ?
pete_dushenski: the_scourge: it does take a significant amount of interest in investing, monetary history, politics, to grasp
trinque: anybody know how to tell btcd to start from a previous block and re-generate the rest?
trinque: that fuss about orphan blocks in btcd's log the other day was a jacked drive, killed 3 ldb files out of 15k
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron <command-line>:0:0: warning: "_FORTIFY_SOURCE" redefined << that doesn't sound so good.
mircea_popescu: somehow running a duplicate along with the original or something ?
the_scourge: pete_dushenski: yah, i thought i had a modicum of those things and while i totally grasp it, my age + intution is doing this thing saying: it would never pan out like that anyways"
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2015 23:53:56; mircea_popescu: jurov for what it's worth, here's my experience with bitcoin remittances : i sent btc to otc correspondents, ordered wires sent out to the hk account of my local agent, who has paid me dollars, in cash, in argentina. the entire process took less than what it takes to get a letter of credit, and significantly less than what international trade normally settles in.
danielpbarron: and it turns out there's an error before that one; currently trying to compile as root in case it's something i messed up with the cross compiler install
the_scourge: pete_dushenski: but i need to formulate my concerns. it's mostly to do with ... if you've succeeded in preserving a clean, elegant, un-pwnable bitcoind variant, then all the poser cyperpunks GTFO, leaving only a small minority of (VERY valuable BTC) who are then in a VERY phys-sec vulnerable position
the_scourge: but i need to write this out in a better way ^
pete_dushenski: the_scourge: ya the "phys-sec" thing is something i've heard about for years and years now
pete_dushenski: to which bitcoin responds: 1) deniability, and 2) fuck you
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 01:25:17; mircea_popescu: so no, when i'm talking about hanging each and every us bureaucrat, through a war crimes court, within our lifetime i am not being in any sense and to any degree metaphorical.
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pete_dushenski: did the kings and aristocrats that nrx'ers so rose-tintedly adore stay under their sheets all day ?
mircea_popescu: anyway : the only people in a very untenable phys-sec position are the various bureaucrats, us or otherwise.
pete_dushenski: the_scourge: it's worth noting that most people "in bitcoin" tremble in fear a lot
pete_dushenski: this is where we flip the table and say, "now hold on just a minute. if we have the power, and we do, who should be scared of who now?"
the_scourge: i remember seeing that war crimes comment a LONG time ago
the_scourge: and i'm pretty sure i came in here to ask about it...
pete_dushenski: hang out here long enough and your fears about phys-sec (and most other things) slowly dissipate
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: 'the new state-of-the-art destroyer << is this the story that late bogart film was based on ? "mutiny on the bounty" i think it was called.
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mircea_popescu: the_scourge if you did log probably has the line somewhere.
the_scourge: pete_dushenski: what... how are we the heirs???
mircea_popescu: jews don't understand this heritage concept like normal people.
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pete_dushenski: the_scourge: i suppose this is another admonition not to use "we"
the_scourge: ok hang on. are you REALLY saying that greed is more powerful and delusion (or religion)? because if you want to buy hitmen or hold the entire world ransom to a dirty bomb or nuclear warheads, you're going to 1. have to find really fucking greedy nuclear engineers and/or suicide bombers and/or military guys
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: when you plug a lamp into a mains socket, is that also a 'streaming query' ? << win :D
mircea_popescu: the_scourge you don't understand how the world works :)
the_scourge: mircea_popescu: have you ever seen someone explode themselves to influence the course of history? i have, in person
mircea_popescu: this is not what's being discussed. you proceed from the naive locus where the bureaucrat somehow= the entire world.
the_scourge: an btw the progressive delusion is FAR more powerful that the allah delusion, it's more craft and more sublte
mircea_popescu: there's no need to hold anyone hostage to enact a public gutting of government servants.
the_scourge: dude i am arguing the exact opposite. the beueaucrat has NOT power whatsoever. that is the entire point
pete_dushenski: the_scourge: i'd say allah's been around longer so... lindy effect
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> anyway : the only people in a very untenable phys-sec position are the various bureaucrats, us or otherwise. <<
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the_scourge: right, but the religionists might defend them (or their right to a trial) to the death
pete_dushenski: ...assuming "progressives" are in the french revolutionary vein
the_scourge: i don't understand waht that has to do with it
pete_dushenski: the_scourge: all = modern only. rousseau didn't invent socialism
the_scourge: mircea_popescu: sure, i'll pick it up later, remember your question
pete_dushenski: and it's not clear to me that religionists are going to risk their necks for paper-pushers
the_scourge: wait, are you suggesting that socialism isn't part of The Cathedral?
the_scourge: pete_dushenski: by religionists, i mean atheists
the_scourge: pete_dushenski: if you read how dawkins got pwned, then you'll understand what i mean by religionists
the_scourge: actually to be honest you really need to the gentle introduction and take the red pill, do the original sources on the revolutionary war, then read the dawkins stuff, then 'open letter'
chetty: so what ya'll think about the 'journalist' caught in the big lie? will it help people 'get it' about the news?
the_scourge: chetty: are you talking about CHris Kyle? ... i guess he is a 'journalist' lol
pete_dushenski: The God delusion is a parasitic meme because, being alien to reason, it does not serve the interests of the host. << utter nonsense
pete_dushenski: that's quite specifically what religion is for: coping, thus survival
the_scourge: pete_dushenski: you've obviously not aquainted yourself with NRx at all. if you chose to read a little and open your mind, it will hurt for several days
the_scourge: but yes, we have all been taught our whole lives that religion is for coping, atheists worship 'science', etc etc
the_scourge: trust me, those assertions seem like total nonsense to me now, even though i fully believed them as recently as 3 weeks ago
the_scourge was a total progressive. a libertarian, tory, ancap progressive
pete_dushenski: the_scourge: i'm in edmonton. and iirc you're in canada too
mike_c: <+the_scourge> trust me, those assertions seem like total nonsense to me now, even though i fully believed them as recently as 3 weeks ago << imagine what you'll whole heartedly believe a month from now!
the_scourge: mike_c: i'm starting to think that i've taken a pill which ran an end-run around #b-a ... not sure yet
the_scourge: pete_dushenski: oh yah cool BC is my stomping grounds but i worked in eddyville for a few summers
chetty: <the_scourge> chetty: are you talking about CHris Kyle? ... i guess he is a 'journalist' lol// no Brian Williams
trinque: +the_scourge | mike_c: i'm starting to think that i've taken a pill which ran an end-run around #b-a ... not sure yet << I came for the bitcoin, stayed for the mindfuck
chetty: <trinque> +the_scourge | mike_c: i'm starting to think that i've taken a pill which ran an end-run around #b-a ... not sure yet << I came for the bitcoin, stayed for the mindfuck// aren't they the same thing?
the_scourge: trinque: ok, having experienced both, i'm pretty sure old moldbug is a much better mindfuck
punkman: pill taking not encouraged
the_scourge: i agree the perspective here is refreshing and contrarian
ben_vulpes: hey so why did the hipster burn himself on his coffee?
lobbes: he drank it before it was cool
the_scourge: pete_dushenski: probably, yes. i do like to hear things out. but i wish it was more prosaic in this case!
the_scourge: obviously not everyone in the world enjoys prose, otherwise everyone in the world would agree with modlbug that atheists worship equality, not science
mircea_popescu: the_scourge: wait, are you suggesting that socialism isn't part of The Cathedral? << a) "the cathedral" is about as solid a concept as moldbug's new os.
the_scourge does not want mosaics, he wants answers. diversity is for suckers
the_scourge: explain why the concept does not reflect reality
chetty: <the_scourge> obviously not everyone in the world enjoys prose, otherwise everyone in the world would agree with modlbug that atheists worship equality, not science// atheists worship not worshiping
mircea_popescu: yarvin doesn't get an out of jail free card just because he is "with us", as opposed to whoever, golf club pattern proponent
mircea_popescu: they're just as much pseudo, the political motivation of pseudoscience makes not on wit of difference.
the_scourge: mircea_popescu: if you want a first principles argument for the existence of the cathedral, that has been given already. i'm not going to repeat it in an IRC channel. everyone knows where to find it, i'm just wondering why you in particular haven't looked at it
the_scourge: if it helps, let me vouch that it IS first principles and it is worthy of your time
mircea_popescu: well so then there the conversation ends. you are a believer in some strange notions that don't carry currency here.
the_scourge: mircea_popescu: ok it wasn't quite ready. it's not a strange notion what can be argued from first principles. i'm agreeing with your post
mircea_popescu: not like there's any rush. the logs stretch endlessly.
the_scourge: the part about the socialist professors and their books rings esp. true. what you fail to realize is that everything YOU believe falls into the same category (minus the stuff which can be argued from first principles)
the_scourge: so what carries currency here does not matter. reality matters. that is it. we've been living in a suspension of reality for at least 300 years, so i'm not surprised that our conversation is missing each other
mircea_popescu: well if what carries currency here doens't matter, why are you talking ?
mircea_popescu: dun waste your time, you don't have so much of it. go do something that matters somewhere where it does.
chetty: the_scourge, only 300?
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pete_dushenski: goodness gracious... what a dozen posts and 15,000 words each ?
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: you've yet to meet mr mold?
pete_dushenski: have i read mold as exhaustively as asciilifeform ? no. have i read some ? yes
ben_vulpes: i remember some really long stony nights in college going through the works
pete_dushenski: reading the trilema pieces in his direction were a sufficient cure to reading more
mircea_popescu: anyway, that "how dawkins got pwned" thing reads to me like "unemployed grad was playing Plague Inc. on his ipad while dawkins was on tv"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform's a sucker for punishment
ben_vulpes: not only expects, but welcomes the stake.
ben_vulpes: "at long last, my expectations are fulfilled."
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes actually i confess i do the same sort of obsessive rereading myself. tho perhaps not on orlov and yarvin
ben_vulpes: OKAY CLIENT WHY AREN'T YOU IN OUR CONFERENCE CALL
mircea_popescu: "In the more recent past, the Allied victors eradicated militarist traditions in Germany and Japan through their control of the educational system." << lulzy. and of course, defeated japanese and german troops erradicated the same in the us and its allies by... also control of the educational system ?
mircea_popescu: "o no wait, that's what we wanted anyway" "like fuck you did"
pete_dushenski: i scanned that dawkins piece a bit more... there were more unfounded claims than i could take
mircea_popescu: kinda the problem with this guy, he's writing a bizarre sort of fiction.
mircea_popescu: "For example, one common trope in various religious traditions is asceticism: the voluntary renunciation of material comforts. Since this tends to be much easier for those who start out wealthy and comfortable, it's an effective status marker."
pete_dushenski: "Christianity is simply a set of behavioral patterns that harm other human patterns in some respect and help in others. Catholic priesthood does, however, exhibit parasitic (viral) behavior on fatherhood."
mircea_popescu: fucking a. didn't this guy as retold by asciilifeform end up sucking cock because "gentleman" in his own opinion ?
pete_dushenski: Ukrainian Central bank raises overnight refinancing rate to 23% from 17.5%
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: that's quite specifically what religion is for: coping, thus survival << that coping worked better pre industrial revolution that post.
mircea_popescu: one sec to package it so it doesn't end up flooding log
mircea_popescu: "Mr Upward would no doubt answer that a belief which was appropriate several centuries ago might be inappropriate and therefore stultifying now. But this does not get one much farther, because it assumes that in any age there will be ONE body of belief which is the current approximation to truth, and that the best literature of the time will be more or less in harmony with it. Actually no such uniformity has ever exist
mircea_popescu: ed. In seventeenth-century England, for instance, there was a religious and political cleavage which distinctly resembled the left-right antagonism of to-day. Looking back, most modern people would feel that the bourgeois-Puritan viewpoint was a better approximation to truth than the Catholic-feudal one. But it is certainly not the case that all or even a majority of the best writers of the time were puritans."
mircea_popescu: his general point is well taken : as whole groups, the burgeois-puritans were more on point than the feudal-catholics. however, (and he says it, but he hides it too because he does not want to confront it) : as elites, the catholics mashed the puritans into the ground.
mike_c: danielpbarron: looks like you are missing zlib, no?
mircea_popescu: nobody wants a plate of twelve "kinda-shitty" dishes when he could have an exquisite dish and eleven helpings of garbage, readily discarded.
danielpbarron: i guess there are some dependancies that most users are assumed to already have on their system, mike_c ?
danielpbarron: i thought maybe it was all contained in the three tarballs in distfiles/
pete_dushenski: this does not include those disposed towards "the starving kids in africa"
mike_c: danielpbarron: can you link me to it
mircea_popescu: obviously the garbage composter will take either just as happily, and so would the toilet.
pete_dushenski: "It seems therefore that for a creative writer possession of the 'truth' is less important than emotional sincerity." << well said
mircea_popescu: remarkably, wikipedia manages to write however many words on poe without mentioning the guy was batshit insane.
ascii_field: danielpbarron: no, it should -not- be using any libs installed on your box
ascii_field: check that 1) you actually built them 2) results went to the specified dir 3) envir vars got set to point there
mircea_popescu: probably they're in the path, but not being defaulted to
mike_c: the export lines look ok..
ascii_field: try building on a box that doesn't even -have- the libs
ascii_field: no, then, assuming nothing changed, will croak
ascii_field: the locally built libs either 1) aren't there 2) aren't pointed to by the envir.
ascii_field: the thing shouldn't ever be asking for zlib!
ascii_field: clearly marked, zlib is toggled off; and, in the comment, warns that recent 'boost' is braindamaged and demands it anyway
ascii_field: hence, either 1) your build is trying to use a 'modern' boost
ascii_field: 2) your build isn't even happening with the patched (non-zlib) makefile
danielpbarron: but just to clarify, i'm supposed to patch with the portatronic thing after the chicken etc.. patches?
ascii_field: though technically shouldn't conflict with any of them
danielpbarron: i think i tried the portatronic patch first and it didn't work
mircea_popescu: "Institute revokes emeritus title, removes online courses of popular physics professor who starred in viral videos"
mircea_popescu: if i weren't so lazy i guess i'd organise a special cell to create these derpy "controversies" about every single intellectually productive us person and have the academia "sever ties" with them.
mircea_popescu: fortunately, i am lazy. also fortunately, it's a job that does itself.
ascii_field: that they defect? or simply denied to the enemy ?
mircea_popescu: well, the enemy proposes that relevancy is a matter of headcount.
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mircea_popescu: "With his wiry grayish-brown hair, his tortoiseshell glasses and his intensity, Professor Lewin is the iconic brilliant scientist
he is at once larger than life and totally accessible."
the_scourge: excommunicate him! heretic! :) < it's galileo all over again
ascii_field: hey if j. watson can be lowered into pederasty, why not any other greybeard lecturer
mircea_popescu: "never interrupt the enemy when he's making a mistake". fortunately the internet makes so that "help him instead" remains undetectable.
ascii_field: it isn't like they have an alternative 'pepsi usa' which they can escape to and help it build death rays.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field the notion that there exists an ending for every character doesn't hold.
mircea_popescu: whether they have or they don't have a choice today, it makes little difference.
ascii_field: watson is a special case here (see his auction escapade, for instance) - but a garden-variety physics prof going 'on strike' means: taxicab
mircea_popescu: it could as well mean blog going "Fuck you, of course I fuck my students!"
ascii_field: and how does that fix the fella up with food & house ?
mircea_popescu: the "turn the other cheek" folk over there. the "if you as much as bother a hair of my beard I'll gouge your fucking eyes out with your own detached ribs" folk over here.
mircea_popescu: why'd you expect one's finances to derive from one's politics ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: actually just that. pointing out that virtually none of the people involved are 'free men' in the sense of having any kind of independent finance
mircea_popescu: neither were any of the men involved in, say, the end of the soviet union.
ascii_field: one of the few genuinely valuable nuggets in orlov is his summary (for engl. folks) of how sov. supply chain had such abundant slack (no 'just in time' anywhere) that many folks had access to serious stashes of $good
ascii_field: e.g., if you worked at a paper factory in '91-93, you had a good chance of becoming de-facto owner of a hundred tonnes of paper - suddenly unobtainable in the usual way - and some pull.
mircea_popescu: do you know how much time and effort the central command spent trying to narrow it down ?
mircea_popescu: 90% of all available anything, towards the end of things.
the_scourge: doesn't our politics and philosophy entirely derive from our finances? it's pretty clear that a liberal is just a fascist with effective plumbing and sanitary solutions
mircea_popescu: for one thing, the fascists had better plumbing than the us does.
the_scourge: er, sorry i didn't mean to reference one specific form of fascism ... i should have used 'left' and 'right' instead
mircea_popescu: the_scourge are you looking for the log bit about the spanish revolutionary right ?
the_scourge: sorry for the sources, i was struggling with my history grepping and resorted to ddg
the_scourge: ascii_field: yes, i believe it's the same effect
ascii_field: i must confess - despite having read every word of mr mold's UR (and got my fair fill of the author in his previous life, and likewise played in his hindley-milner mathemasturbatorium until could take it no more) - i am still no closer to grasping the_scourge's arguments
mircea_popescu: unsurprisingly. sara miller mccune is a reputed con woman that came up with the following scam : make up fake "peer reviewed" scientific journals, then charge variouis idiots that were stpid enough to try and carve careers out of "social studies" a few hundred dollars to publish their goop
the_scourge: ascii_field: i thought perhaps your 'answer lies in the sewers' paper was talking about the olfactory conservative/liberal thing, but upon reading it, it seems like it's talking about something else... spanish nobility dumping their worker's bodies in the sewers? am i close?
mircea_popescu: then charge for the amassed pseudoscience to be repeated in drivelly sources like the huffpo.
ascii_field: the_scourge did not actually read a word of it
mircea_popescu: this works splendidly well, on a certain crowd, creating "consensuses" and "progresses" and whatnot.
ascii_field: the_scourge: you are making a loud public fool of yourself, unnecessarily. friendly warning.
TheNewDeal: Anyone interested in a bitbet repurchase?
mike_c: TheNewDeal: what are you holding?
TheNewDeal: I pay out after receiving payment from bitbet
the_scourge: ascii_field: duly taken. i'm just trying to connect McCune to the articles i linked
mike_c: yeah, so what are you selling?
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mircea_popescu kinda interested to see this model developped, but the fact that txns have to take a time, and a risk premium on top of what's actually bneing sold seems insurmontable
TheNewDeal: I did it before, check out my otp page
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mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal but your holding is worth at the very most .189 BTC, and that if no has a 100% chance to win ?
mircea_popescu: mike_c TheNewDeal no dispute it can be done and has done. just, impediments, friction, that sort of consideration
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal what i mean is, the value of buying 1 btc from you rather than betting 1 btc is given by the weight differential
mircea_popescu: as weigh is at 90k, even should you hold all the no you can't expect to make more than .189
TheNewDeal: To me it doesnt matter the exact amount I make
ascii_field: '(S//REL NATO) We assess that any unclassified NATO network that is directly connected to the Internet should be considered potentially compromised, creating uncertainty regarding the confidentiality, integrity and continued availability of all data on that network.' << mega-lol
TheNewDeal: I saw the bet, it looked unbalanced, and then i bet
TheNewDeal: Im not saying you shouldnt just bet no
TheNewDeal: But you could bet no, and buy no from me
TheNewDeal: Why do yoy say I can expect to make .189?
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ascii_field: mircea_popescu: incidentally, the mccune thing is not in any way fundamentally different from the -rest- of mainstream academia
ascii_field: which is a pure rapefest from the standpoint of the phd coolies
mircea_popescu: ascii_field do they have classified networks directly connected is ther implication there ?!
the_scourge: mircea_popescu: oh yah, i take every "finding" and "study" with a grain or shovelful of salt. so, well spoken
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal just trying to think through the valuations of this device. it's interesting.
TheNewDeal: Any who, if someone is interested or becomes more interested as time goes on, send me a gribble message
TheNewDeal: I usually just place a premium, like, 3% on the timeweight
TheNewDeal: So if purchaser paid me at 90k timeweight, I would payout at 90k*1.03
TheNewDeal: The specific premium and amount are what needs be negotiated
mircea_popescu: so basically the diff between betting and buying is 3% on one side, vs the risk premium on the other.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> when you plug a lamp into a mains socket, is that also a 'streaming query' ? << For some kinds of lamp sure. << LAMP! geddit ? roflmao
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mircea_popescu: "When I was in Sicily, I couldn't even get a frickin' wifi login at the McDonalds without an Italian passport *and* a local registered sim. "
TheNewDeal: Mp, The largest difference is someone else being able to purchase a larger percentage sstake in the pool I am in
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal the most advantageous implications of the whole idea that i see probably have to do with privacy.
TomServo: Waterfall update: One step closer to drying up. Down to 5,038.29 from 10,295.86 on 28-01-2015.
mircea_popescu: job not needed. they're doing their part being part of the greatest derpocracy in history.
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mircea_popescu: "One particularly interesting tidbit is that when information about parallel construction in a case leaks, a special "Taint Review Team" must consult with a judge to determine which evidence must be turned over to the defense. The Taint Review team is also responsible for insulating prosecutors from evidence that would reveal the application of parallel construction methods in a case."
mircea_popescu: make prosecutors personally liable for the use of fraudulently produced "proofs".
mircea_popescu: each da jailed for contempt & disbarred is a step forward.
ascii_field: lol, what's next, policeman liable for strafing crowds ?
mircea_popescu: i doubt the system couldsurvive a dozen total years of jailtime on this score.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i have with my own eyes seen men hang for that.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: these folks show every sign of intending to keep it all up until glassed.
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mircea_popescu: besides, what "these folks" in the general wish and what individual folks actually managed when confronted with a bloody club are quite divorced matters.
jurov: "You were tipped 0.11 XPM for your commit on Project saltstack-formulas/epel-formula. Please, log in and tell us your primecoin address to get it."
mircea_popescu: are these the folks that checked and then ignored signatures yest ?
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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Everyone who wanted qntra to have a category page << remove the <li>, separate them by ; instead ? << Work in progress. Things in the categories will be getting some better sorting.
jurov: guess qntra pays better
mircea_popescu: inb4 "this github commit is worth 1k btc on a qntra size arithmetic"
mircea_popescu: i dun believe the web is starved of anything nearly as badly as it's starved of usable value points of comparison. neatly mirrors how those kids are starved for exemplary leadership irl.
mircea_popescu: a sad fate for a race with such well recorded history.
ascii_field: redhat patch << i can't help but think that this is a 'wait, there was dioxin in my cyanide pill!111!' situation.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field "fixed sexist pronouns in manual for use of the alcohol swab employed pre-lethal injection"
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mircea_popescu: "he problem isn't a limit in general but that 1MB is so low that under any meaningful adoption scenario it will push all individual users off the blockchain to rely on trusted third parties. In essence you will probably be priced out of the blockchain and the blockchain becomes yet another network you will never have direct (peer) access to, just like FedWire, SWIFT, and other private closed transfer networks. "
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assbot: Logged on 05-02-2015 06:30:52; phillipsjk: DeathAndTaxes on bitcoin talk made a detailed post explaining why the 1MB block size in not good for anything other than inter-bank transfers:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=946236.0 He estimetes 2-4 TPS basked on the last million transactions
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: if you or anyone else has any suggestions for sorting archive pages, it'd be sweet if contravex didn't only post one article at a time
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski Search for "Clean My Archives" if you consider using it be sure to read it. There isn't much to it.
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BingoBoingo: "Ms. Kim has one of the all-time great LinkedIn profiles: Harvard, Cornell, Columbia Law, the Innocence Project, Shearman & Sterling, two other law jobs, founder or CEO at two start-ups and now a venture capitalist."
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BingoBoingo: "Ms. Kims next big idea was to drop hints to the world that Mr. McCaleb was Satoshi Nakamoto. According to one person who worked at Ripple Labs at the time, Joyce was creating all kinds of rumors that Jed was Satoshi and Jed was happy to go along with it, smiling like the cat that ate the canary."
mod6: has anyone else seen the "G0D" magic number?
mod6: tail -500000 blk0001.dat | xxd | grep "G0D" | wc -l
BingoBoingo: "This all culminated in a showdown meeting in which the board and key investors sided with Mr. Larsen. It was a 5-1 vote to keep Mr. Larsen as CEO with Mr. McCaleb himself being the lone dissenter. Even Mr. McCalebs ally, Mr. Powell, voted to retain Mr. Larsen, as did Roger Ver, another McCaleb friend in the room."
BingoBoingo: mod6: Wait, Was it a bible verse that doesn't want to verify?
BingoBoingo: "After the vote, as would prove to be his habit when faced with a situation not to his liking, Mr. McCaleb simply disappeared. He and Ms. Kim went to Costa Rica to surf, then to Brazil. Even close friends at Ripple Labs had no idea where their mercurial founder was for months at a time."
mod6: na, just saw a bunch of those in there when looking through the hex of blk0001.dat, i think it's an OP_ script of some type maybe
BingoBoingo: "Meanwhile, Mr. McCaleb and Ms. Burzlaff negotiated a settlement for their childrens support, but his behavior toward his kids mirrored his departure from Ripple and, to some degree, every company he incubated. He fled the scene when things went south at eDonkey. At Mt. Gox, he actually claimed the company no longer had any of his coding DNA, even though he still owned 12 percent of the company and advised on an attempt to acqu
the_scourge: i'm undecided as to wether such scams demonstrate a concerted smear attempt or are simply exposing the nasty nature of our 'corportate' culture
BingoBoingo: "Ms. Kim has an impressively broad resume, but it is not especially deep. Ms. Kim appears on Stellar legal documents and itswebsite as secretary, executive director and member (under its bylaws). Whatever her talents, they do not include leadership. Her legacy at SimpleHoney was a pair of false-start products, punctuated by a blog post titled How to Build a Startup from a Beach."
BingoBoingo: the_scourge: It is the plague of people having no concept of history pretending they can haz bzns
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BingoBoingo: "This circular process pinned an initial value on STRs. Stellar repaid the $3 million loan with 2 billion STRs. Based on the finite distribution of 100 billion STRs, the transaction implied the currencys market cap was $150 million. (Its current market cap is about $17 million.)"
BingoBoingo: "Charlie Shrem, the Bitcoiner who is headed to prison and is very close to Mr. McCaleb and Mr. Karpeles and has done business with them, shared his suspicion that the Mt. Gox money actually disappeared much earlier than had been revealed: I think he lost those coins early on. Like many years ago in the first hack."
ben_vulpes: the_scourge: shit doesn't even really count compared to actual impressive public market scamming like VGMC
the_scourge: ben_vulpes: wow that is some seriously seedy shit.... surely they didn't get anyone's money?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 136800 @ 0.0003903 = 53.393 BTC [-]
the_scourge: idk human stupidity surprises me to this day and probably will do well into the future
danielpbarron: ok so apparently the openssl make install was getting stuck on making documentation (apparently a known bug for the version ascii chose) and the fix is to use "make install_sw" instead of "make install"
trinque: ben_vulpes: everyone in texas has borderline personality disorder
jurov: border personality?
cazalla: the one time scoopbot fetches an article within seconds..
ben_vulpes: qntra's turning into quite the source these days
mircea_popescu: "The one great example is IBM, which faced disruption and existential threat from PCs in the early 1990s and emerged stronger and is still a thriving company. "
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: the last million transactions are probably by volume idiocy spawned by wallets that inhibit address reuse << at least half.
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk: Not even my 2 year electronic program or running a node for a year? <<< jesus god he's adorable. totally pwned ben_vulpes too, because the joo's a lazy reader. meanwhile in the linked cv ? "Objective. To find a day or night job in the Edmonton area."
assbot: You have not rated phillipsjk.
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.phillipsjk.1:4fc7cc9d4122a9dc2f24d42a0cec09a573a66f334b6631c311ab16c1b7bd82d4
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for phillipsjk with note: His simplicity is endearing.
mircea_popescu: in other news : i've had your resume read by my hr, and that woman has read probably 15k by now.
mircea_popescu: "this is, without a doubt, the worst resume i have ever seen."
danielpbarron: ok.. i have a bitcoind binary file that i did myself! :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46627 @ 0.0003903 = 18.1985 BTC [-]
kanzure: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: %d. This may take a few moments.\n Could not find your key. Check if your key is available on keyservers and try later.
kanzure: well i was going to write %f but then i realized i value my life
kanzure: also, do you have any hints for how i can make the incentives paper more lolworthy?
kanzure: i was trying to do both sort of
kanzure: like, it is completely ridiculous that such a document is required
mircea_popescu: !register <full_gpg_keyid> << are youdoing the full thing ?
assbot: Nick mircea_popescu is already taken.
kanzure: no i mean it's required in the sense that apparently some of those issues are non-obvious to others
kanzure: quite literally some do not think that nodes can be malicious
mircea_popescu: <assbot> Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452. This may take a few moments.
mircea_popescu: <assbot> Key 2FB7B452 / "Mircea Popescu (Acest articol are apriori avantajul aliteralitatii alaturi.) <office@polimedia.us>" successfully imported.
kanzure: or have different implementations
kanzure: "Nick kanzure is already taken."
felipelalli: cazalla BingoBoingo please talk about Italy in Qntra.net as pete_dushenski suggested! This is huge!
mircea_popescu: kanzure ima devoice you now. say !up in private to assbot, decryot the otp then say !v
mircea_popescu: <kanzure> "!up" is still giving me "Could not find your key. Check if your key is available on keyservers and try later.""
kanzure: "!v" is giving me "Need a decrypted verification string."
BingoBoingo: felipelalli: pete already wrote on itally for qntra.net
kanzure: can someone just give me assbot source code or something
felipelalli: BingoBoingo: I'm sorry, you guys are too fast. I saw just the last 3 articles.
felipelalli: And it was yesterday, I'm an idiot. Thanks.
kanzure: mircea_popescu: of course nodes are hostile... but this needs to be written down (apparently).
kanzure: part of it is that i don't trust anyone to keep the whole threat model in their head
kanzure: and waiting for petertodd to start telling you to go fuck yourself is just a bad strategy
mircea_popescu: you know most of the lolz there are as to how incomplete it is
kanzure: yeah i would estmate that it's no where near useful at the moment
kanzure: also does anyone know of a design for a planar engine? can be gas/steam/whatever. just needs to be manufactured in one step.
felipelalli: cazalla: thanks cazalla, I skipped unintentionally.
felipelalli: I was excited because my family is Italian and I have Italian passport.
kanzure: kakobrekla: how was i able to "!up" in the past?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 128800 @ 0.00039625 = 51.037 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: yeah the missing piece of your puzzlement here might be that gribble got forked
mircea_popescu: in any case, the notion of "writing down incentives" is a little silly.
mircea_popescu: the idea that some sort of serious analysis can be based on that fails fundamentally, in that it tries to work on the basis of goals rather than from causes.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10934 @ 0.00038334 = 4.1914 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34950 @ 0.00039753 = 13.8937 BTC [+] {2}
kanzure: was not aware of gribble fork
kanzure: asciilifeform: hplusroadmap is discussing said concept
kanzure: wikipedia image does not make me think a tesla turbine is flat
mircea_popescu: So Randi goes to Davos, never once asking why they would want her there? Convincing her demo of underproducing hyperconsumers that capitalism-- controlling capital-- is pointless and mean, but globalism-- doublespoken as "progress", "human rights", "everything is connected"-- that is a noble cause. Remember that the "culture" she thinks she speaks for, including those that hate her-- "the startup culture"-- is premis
mircea_popescu: ed on starting a business in order to sell the business to someone else. Of course the idea is to get rich-- which sounds like capitalism, if you're retarded, but observe the message that is being taught: that the necessary correlate to getting rich is to give all the capital to someone else. The power is traded for the fetish of power. That's not capitalism, it is madness, and apparently Davos and Randi think wom
mircea_popescu: en especially will heart it. It'll work for a handful of well publicized people pictured above the caption, "$100 billion! You could be next!"-- followed immediately by a story about how worthless the business turned out to be, so of course the goal for you is to sell out ASAP; but the vast majority who have aligned their psychology with this vector will pursue an impossible fantasy at the expense of their labor an
mircea_popescu: d their lives. If you don't believe me, believe Lori Gottlieb. This logic recommended to her to drop out of Stanford medical school to join Kibu.com, and now she's a relationship expert.
kanzure: asciilifeform: yes please. although other one-pass manufacturing processes will be considered.
mircea_popescu: im perhaps slow, but what is "one pass mfg process" even mean ?!
kanzure: it means "don't spend 100 hours assembling tiny parts into a bigger device"
kanzure: i would say "printable engine" except then i would hate myself
mircea_popescu: kanzure this nomenclature you use is very confusing for (admittedly,. old) people with actual manufacutring management experience. it sounds a lot like the earlier discussed lighbulb sql.
kanzure: well that's what you get when mechanical engineering departments spend more time teaching me fucking excel spreadsheets than, you know, engineering
mircea_popescu: basically, the notion that all manufacturing processes can be divided into an arbitrary number of passes at a gain of productivity is the tenet of that business for a century now.
kanzure: asciilifeform: at minimum i need a few tens of newtons of force... in general.
kanzure: that's more the reason here
mircea_popescu: well inasmuch you can print a bottle and fill it with a gas, you can make a rocket that'll produce 10 newtons or more.
kanzure: nothing in particular, just generic actuators i guess
kanzure: linear screw thread actuators are very useful at all sorts of sizes, but hard to manufacture (= require more steps and parts and manufacturing processes)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i moved on to that after building a generic jammer, in my childhood :D
kanzure: oh that doesn't matter, you can convert most forms of motion
mircea_popescu: "Every time you hear the word globalism, you should hear three things: 1. wealth uncoupled from work product. 2. Lifestyle as a reflection of your personal self-worth. 3. You give up control of the capital, and by capital I mean you. "Do I still get paid?" Sure, but you have to promise to spend more than what we pay. "How will that work?" Don't worry, Visa will explain it all to you."
kanzure: i'm not sure if mircea_popescu is being serious about this
kanzure: since asciilifeform seems to understand i'll drop it
kanzure: a comb drive is approximately what i want
kanzure: except it doesn't work for large amounts of force
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought the inchworm's main application was precise movement
kanzure: hm i have a magnetohydrodynamics person in hplusroadmap. i will pester him.
kanzure: where should i look for evidence of large force magnetohydrodynamic actuators
mircea_popescu: anyway inchworm means piezo in my head for some reason.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform granted. just one of those mental automatisms that never had a chance to run into a door before.
kanzure: a minute on youtube saves a decade in my lab
kanzure: right... nobody in their right mind should use youtube.. yet here i am.
kanzure: vaguely connected i suppose
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mircea_popescu: kanzure seriously, if efficiency is not a concern (and i take it not to be since you never mentioned it yet), a succession of bottles is your best bet.
kanzure: having a flat/planar/single-pass-manufactured engine or actuator would be very useful for many reasons
mircea_popescu: ok this is an idea! glass pane stirling heated by laser.
kanzure: someone made a laser-pumped microfluidic device which was cute
mircea_popescu: what's a good working fluid ? (high absorbtion / high expansion with temp) ?
kanzure: also for cell lysis but w/e
mircea_popescu: i was thinking, it's probably something like mg permanganate water solution
kanzure: yeah but nobody is selling me a multi-kilowatt surface mount laser
kanzure: ebay is selling surface mount lasers that do >1 kW? hrm /me looks again
kanzure: gah why did you send to me ebay
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in fairness, he could probably get away even with duct taping resistors on the pane.
kanzure: anyway this is not for micromotion
kanzure: why can't i just have lots of reusable motion devices? >:(
kanzure: let's say powering a conventional cnc machine maybe
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and therein lies your answer. or to quote the shockingly on point tlp, "Think seriously about what she (thinks she) wants: acceptance of her individuality-- by work. Not for her work product-- there is none; but for her individuality, by work.
assbot: It's great /JuliaAngwin got GPG donation love. Now OTR needs some too. It's much better crypto in many threat models
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kanzure: or car... but it wont really ever be used in a car i hope..
mircea_popescu: First question: which work? Not the job you have, it's real, and it's boring. It is a future "career", the fantasy environment seen on TV dramas where all of life takes place.
mircea_popescu: Second question: why work? Men are not being taught to want their job to value them, in fact, men want as little to do with their jobs as possible. Randi and the globalism party bus are teaching women to want "careers"-- more precisely, to want to draw more of their identity from their careers."
kanzure: asciilifeform: i actually am very fond of linear screw actuators, but i would prefer something that can be manufactured using spatial light modulation with basically zero assembly steps.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo can the otr folks get pointed to the fact that a) openbsd got 20k and b) they'd better get their ass in here and start working up a track record ?
kanzure: mhd looks like it could work
kanzure: i am also fond of things on the order of "resistive heating element + some surface" heh
cazalla: mircea_popescu, i dunno, i guess i'll look into it more and see who he is, really only had a laff and moved on
mircea_popescu: i like the principle, and the man deserves front page and his picture on the newspaper.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I wouldn't know where to start on that danielpbarron is having some sort of twitter conversation with Weev and just wanted to suggest there might be use cases for the OTR thing.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo me either, which is why i pester you about it :)
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: "because the joo's a lazy reader." << pardon?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Indeed, sort of like gossipd.
mircea_popescu: i changed my mind, you're not lazy, you're the heart of tactfulness.
kanzure: asciilifeform: i have various parts laying around for homefab of microelectronics (on the order of a few hundred microns but whatever)
kanzure: planning on same system for microfluidics adventures
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes just keeps his tact quiet most of the time.
mircea_popescu: kanzure alf spent i dunno, a year or os ? trying to build essentially a pick n place / fab lab for cardano
kanzure: basically ghetto projector pointed down microscope tube
kanzure: have i ever ranted to you about my apt-get for hardware stuff
kanzure: hmm then i will pencil that in sometime
kanzure: basically i want hardware but i don't want to have to spend my life reading millions of pages of documentation
kanzure: microelectronics vlsi doesn't require millions (well.. i mean.. not to make a single chip)
mircea_popescu: what'd that be, pages of documentation that double every year ?
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2015 06:51:10; ben_vulpes: absolutely none of this qualifies you to have an opinion about block size.
kanzure: if making anything always requires me to make impossible investments in time and energy then none of the fun stuff will get made
ben_vulpes: making anything always requires impossible investments of time and energy.
kanzure: that's only because we're idiots
ben_vulpes: impossible's more a function of available time/energy anyways. not an absolute thing.
mircea_popescu: no, it's because Ὁ βίος βραχύς, ἡ δὲ τέχνη μακρή, ὁ δὲ καιρὸς ὀξύς, ἡ δὲ πεῖρα σφαλερή, ἡ δὲ κρίσις χαλεπή.
kanzure: i wasn't claiming i was mass manufacturing anything like that at home
mircea_popescu: stop getting in the way of dreams and aspirations alfie
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] kanzure: tried plain old tesla turbine ? << talk about boyhood dreams
ben_vulpes: i built so much errata in pursuit of that thing
kanzure: asciilifeform: also.. we should run a (human) selective breeding program for cryoresuscitation-compatibility.
kanzure: well why bother with breathing at that point? what?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2100 @ 0.00097074 = 2.0386 BTC [+] {3}
decimation: lol that chip shooter is hardcore, but how many bezzlars?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: weren't you killing people and building criminal empires then?
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] flat enough with one disk << i did my own axle and used HD disks to get better boundary layer performance
mircea_popescu: incidentally re teh cryo stuff, anyone seen hibernatus ?
ben_vulpes: never got the gas steam bearings to work tho
decimation: mircea_popescu: lol he goes on: "It's probably unnecessary to point out that this increase in lifestyle is built on the increased work product of whoever will do it for 30 cents an hour, and anyway it is a red herring. The real attraction for us isn't just the lifestyle, but that it systematizes-- it makes normal-- not ever wondering: how come we have more lifestyle when we didn't do more work? "
mircea_popescu: decimation the guy's exquisite chjoice of relevant subject matter, and the fearless approach has thoroughly impressed me.
ben_vulpes: i also kicked around a design for a nifty reciprocal engine where the piston was really just a magnet-bearing shuttle zipping back and forth through coils for insta-ac
mircea_popescu: " My face is in my hands and I wonder how anyone could be asked to raise a girl in such a world? Recently a female cardiologist with a "difficult" 10 year old daughter who had been well trained to want things but not control things asked me if I had read "the study in the New York Times"-- !?!?!?!?!?-- that said that people with the same surname, over generations, continued to achieve the same level of wealth, showing
mircea_popescu: "therefore" that genetic factors were more important than the home environment in determining social mobility, isn't that probably true? Having to do this sober I asked her, "But didn't you change your surname 11 years ago? Or are you betting she can just upgrade hers?" What else could I say? If you read it, it's for you?"
mircea_popescu: the divorcing of people's skills from their general ability to think, neatly mirroring the divorce between want and control, and for that matter between capital and power.
mircea_popescu: "how to support the welfare state ? oh, simply cut everyone in two and hide the halves"
mircea_popescu: "you can probably extract some work out of the desperate movements of half people in the environment'
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2015 23:51:15; mircea_popescu: "The one great example is IBM, which faced disruption and existential threat from PCs in the early 1990s and emerged stronger and is still a thriving company. "
BingoBoingo: decimation: Sure, keeps making more dollars for doing less things.
decimation: as far as I can gather from employee comments, the 'thriving' at IBM basically consists of brokering indians to write shit code
mircea_popescu: but in the insane story of post-qe world, it makes it's own sort of sense.
BingoBoingo: IBM's probably one of the largest benefactors of fiat world inflation
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: water works surprisingly well << oh let us not get ben_vulpes started on the wonders of steam
mircea_popescu: trinque: you want to build your visa? build it on bitcoin, but don't systemd the thing and decide it must have a visa built in << that's not a bnad angle.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "process man" << i guess more accurate than i ever thought
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes didja get on the part of teh log where the entire d&t think you were discussing with danielpbarron etc is dispelled ?
decimation: re: IBM in the 90's < they didn't 'face disruption', they made one of the largest mistakes in business history
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2015 07:23:19; punkman: phillipsjk: the 1MB limit is not to stop spam
decimation: they had 30 years of usg/bezzlar computers locked up and were too retarded to market it
mircea_popescu: see, they had 30 years locked up, and AS A CONDITION OF THIS LOCK UP they couldn't market it.
mircea_popescu: because they had to spend their time instead discussing how young men should wear a tie.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: where did you get that key, anyways? did you buy it? << fwiw i believe teh guy's genuine.
mircea_popescu: trinque: will my btcd still fart transactions at other nodes if I haven't finished syncing the blockchain? << yes.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: the man's talking about btcd, not bitcoind
mod6: ok, i've dumped block 168000
ben_vulpes: nah, comes from andresens bag of snakes
mircea_popescu: BLOCK 000000000000099e61ea72015e79632f216fe6cb33d7899acb35b75c8303b763 << it checks out.
mod6: and bag-o-snakes doesn't turn up 168,001 which makes sense, since it chokes on somethingthere
mod6: mircea_popescu: correct.
mircea_popescu: mod6 a remote possibility was that your problem somehow came from a bad block, tho i have/had no idea wtf that'd be
ben_vulpes: what was the story with a certain version of ssl breaking some kinds of btc signatures?
mod6: block 168,000 was accepted
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes most recent openssl which bitcoind imports decided to accept as valid padded sigs
mod6: something in block 168,001 makes it puke perhaps from that failed VerifySignature
mircea_popescu: mod6 yes but see, a 168`000 diddled block is a huge issue, because checkpoint.
mod6: maybe it's not a diddled 168,000 block
mod6: maybe its 168,001 that's hosing us.
ben_vulpes: i think mp's implication is that 168001 is diddled
mod6: well, im just trying to pin it down to where we go wrong.
mod6: i can still provide some sort of binary dump.
mod6: im just gathering data as best/quickly as i can
mod6: you testing on your end?
mod6: which version, which patches?
trinque: mircea_popescu: yeh need the confirmation though to publish
trinque: that drive got destroyed in the process; blockchain on the server's now at like aug 2013
mircea_popescu: mod6 oh the mysterious mp stuff, most of which dates from 2012
trinque: I guess I could just ask blockchain.info for the confirmations in the meantime
trinque: ben_vulpes: I don't realy want to...
mod6: yeah, i mean, as recently as the 26th of january I was able to full sync and send/receive with: v053+patches { 1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, & 6 } and other people have gotten past it as well. so its not consistant as far as I can tell.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00039794 = 6.4466 BTC [+]
mod6: hmm. anyway, ok. anyway, that's pretty much the latest.
mod6: so I'll keep digging in the blk0001.dat file to see what I can find in there.
mircea_popescu: "Once the attack was discovered, Anthem immediately made every effort to close the security vulnerability, contacted the FBI and began fully cooperating with their investigation. Anthem has also retained Mandiant, one of the worlds leading cybersecurity firms, to evaluate our systems and identify solutions based on the evolving landscape."
ben_vulpes: none of the portatronic builds are wedging like this, right?
mircea_popescu: "dear sheep. we lost your mother. we paid off the government agent for a fix. the fix is in. fuck you."
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: do you have a wedged portatron?
mircea_popescu: "From the Desk of Joseph R. Swedish President and CEO Anthem, Inc." << "we now act just like warrior forum scammers - it's the industree"
assbot: You have not rated lobbes.
danielpbarron: i will soon be testing a non-bastard one that i compiled myself
mircea_popescu: !rate lobbes 1 Well... he did teach himself how to view a directory...
danielpbarron: i had to change "make install" to "make install_sw" for the openssl compilation
danielpbarron: the only thing i changed in that file is the make install thing
danielpbarron: this is the 2nd time i've sucessfully installed gentoo on something
decimation: mircea_popescu: lol anthem is my health insurance
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: that gets me two up on you
danielpbarron: i can't copy paste it easily right now, but it's the same as that asciilifeform
decimation: they said they would send a special email later when they "figure out" if I am affected or not
decimation: the bigger issue is the fact that you have to keep your social security number a 'secret'
mircea_popescu: decimation well... secret in the sense you're supposed to keep your genitals secret neh ?
decimation: in the us, if someone has your name, address, and ssn they can apply for 'credit' on your behalf
decimation: similarly, they can present themselves to the local doctor as you and send you medical bills
decimation: somehow this is not the problem, it's the fact that derps can't keep the ssn 'secret' is the problem
decimation: asciilifeform: just as secret as your credit card number
decimation: asciilifeform: the inevitable conclusion is that the banks/usg do not mind criminals making money off the fucktarded system
decimation: it is certainly one way that wealth is is transferred to the 'deserving' - robin hood style
mircea_popescu: well, you may not believe this or like this, but... my banking depends on my gpg signature o.O
decimation: asciilifeform: right, the banks don't give a shit because 1.) they generally don't get stuck with the bill and 2.) when they do, usg prints them up some bezzlars
decimation: the whole system tends to inject bezzlars randomly throughout the 'real' economy
decimation: asciilifeform: look in the corner of his computer room - looks like a radio transmitter above his o-scope
mircea_popescu: "What is Social Security Number (SSN) Randomization? The project is a forward looking initiative of the Social Security Administration (SSA) to help protect the integrity of the SSN by establishing a new randomized assignment methodology. SSN Randomization will also extend the longevity of the nine-digit SSN nationwide."
mircea_popescu: ahem. 9 digits are going to be sufficient for 300mn people ?
decimation: mircea_popescu: it's a lulzy recycling program - in the past, us ssn's were assigned by geographical region
decimation: no that's the point of that 'randomization' program I think
decimation: asciilifeform: the reason given against crypto is that the masses would reject a 'universal id' card
decimation: but I don't see why the government should have anything to do with verifying identity anyway
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decimation: why can't I go to the local costco and broker credit through them?
decimation: but you see in the usa, it is unthinkable that usg wouldn't issue keys
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00039713 = 9.5708 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: or similarly, it is unthinkable that a non-usg-approved-bank would issue credit or bank
thestringpuller: why would you not one smith who can make any key for any vessel?
thestringpuller: but concept of keymaker "program" entity/individual who is skeleton key maker
mircea_popescu: so basically, by pulling a ssn out of my arse i have just about 1:2 odds of hitting someone
mircea_popescu: and what's better, since they are re=used, you needn't only worry about your own indiscretions, but those of people long dead
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think this is the best proof possible that current usg does not expect to survive more than a few years into the future anyway.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: this is probably how CIA makes assets these days
decimation: "Generals and others have been known to become so frustrated with the existing devices that they switch to personal cellphones to conduct classified conversations, according to a former U.S. official."
mircea_popescu: decimation they probably manifest that list of qualities which made "state' such a damning adjective in romanian.
mircea_popescu: to get an idea, picture blackberry today. in romanian it'd be "state ipad"
mircea_popescu: people's disenchantment with their own wives isn't predicated on the theory that somewhere there's a sane woman waiting.
decimation: asciilifeform: yes it's actually an extraordinary admission of usg's capitulation
decimation: "making things secure is hard, let's just give up"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform heh reuters has a yearlong delay off trilema huh.
decimation: eh, I'm not so sure. the implication of that would be that usg is extraordinarily competent
mircea_popescu: um... wouldn't you just set the bomb to go off when the jammer goes by ?
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mircea_popescu: set it to go off whenever a large collection of radiodildoes, phones and toy cars goes over it
decimation does not condone violence against any living thing
mircea_popescu: i condone all violence that doesn't sit around waiting for my condonement.
mircea_popescu: 'I don't want to join the bloody Army, I don't want to go unto the war; I want no more to roam, I'd rather stay at home, Living on the earnings of a whore.'
decimation: which is of course its only possible route to relevance
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decimation: asciilifeform: apparently real estate deals and indian shit-code are its core business now
decimation: kind like hp's core business is printer ink
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no but it makes them because "it controls the ip" or how did that line go/
mircea_popescu: nobody else could make ti pocket calculators for lack of ti chip documentation. leaving alone why anyone would want to, after ti paid for tha someone to build their plants.
mircea_popescu: myeah. obviously point meant as a general - and thus indefensible - jab >
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ^ these were mandatory (!? i know) in the school << TI's survival is hinged to the "education standards" bezzel
decimation: asciilifeform: re: road 200 << I actually drove on this road a few times. it was pointlessly empty, as well as having a low speed limit (55 mph)
decimation: it was built as a favor to one of the wash dc land barons
decimation: asciilifeform: it is my understanding that the toll machines are 'banned' from enforcing speed limit
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: No, I had the TI-89, mostly the same except for form factor. I have no idea what that important looking rectangle is.
mircea_popescu: "And yet somehow the ruling class decayed, lost its ability, its daring, finally even its ruthlessness, until a time came when stuffed shirts like Eden or Halifax could stand out as men of exceptional talent. As for Baldwin, one could not even dignify him with the name of stuffed shirt. He was simply a hole in the air. "
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: 89 was same "civillian" form factor as 83, On the 92 user accessible rom like that could be a thing.
BingoBoingo: That it was. I wasn't a fan of the aesthetics of the redesign
cazalla: ah damn that was good ghetto bouillabaisse
decimation: asciilifeform: I like the 5.2 amp hour battery
decimation: but it would be useful for powering all kinds of interesting widgets
decimation: asciilifeform: do you know what cpu it has? some arm variant?
decimation: well the main cpu runs some kind of arm probably because it appears to run android
decimation: ah no the android software is running on a phone connected to the device, sorry for the confusion
decimation: huh I didn't realize google supported non-arm chips
decimation: actually that little device (wi-copy) would be a good buy just to harvest the parts