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decimation: apparently the 'new' system is a complete rewrite in ada
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: neato! ty
BingoBoingo: You are very welcome and thank you.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: one left in footnote 2
asciilifeform: other than that, looks perfect
BingoBoingo: fixed
asciilifeform: was a bit of a hurried job on my part, BingoBoingo asked for a likbez, and,
asciilifeform knew he would not have time to write later this week
asciilifeform: and hence this.
asciilifeform: decimation: i can't help but wonder if somewhere, in a damp cellar, a kid is studying 'JOVIAL'
asciilifeform: thinking 'now i'll find work'
decimation: well, it would have been a paying gig for 40 years now
asciilifeform: for the 'old boys'
decimation: 'the old boys' are retiring
asciilifeform: so are, one might note, their machines.
decimation: indeed, the problem with the machines isn't that they are broken
decimation: it's that no one knows how they work exactly
decimation: 'no one' in the sense of anyone employed directly be usg
decimation: https://recode.net/2015/02/15/white-house-red-chair-obama-meets-swisher/
assbot: President Barack Obama Speaks with Kara Swisher (Full Transcript) | Re/code ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQrRWV )
decimation: "Let’s talk about encryption. What’s wrong with what Google and Apple are doing? You have encrypted email — shouldn’t everybody have encrypted email, or have their protections? Everybody should. And I’m a strong believer in strong encryption."
decimation: "I’m as strong as I have been. I think the only concern is our law enforcement is expected to stop every plot. Every attack. Any bomb on a plane. The first time that attack takes place in which it turns out that we had a lead and we couldn’t follow up on it, the public’s going to demand answers." < 'leadership' at its finest
asciilifeform: bureaucrats, snore.
decimation: "So there’s no scenario in which we don’t want really strong encryption. The narrow question is going to be if there is a proper request for … this isn’t bulk collection, this isn’t sort of fishing expeditions by government."
decimation: we want strong encryption that can be compromised
decimation: now that's something I can stand for!
decimation: "And you’re still with the BlackBerry, right?
decimation: I use a BlackBerry mainly because I’m so restricted in what I can do that it’s basically just messages, and it’s still easier for me to tap off the [BlackBerry]. But basically most of my non-work-related stuff, I’m working off the iPad."
decimation: What non-work-related stuff does Obama 'do'?
decimation: like, playing angry birds?
asciilifeform: tetris ?
decimation: maybe he plays 'risk' against putin
decimation: "Ukraine is weak!"
decimation: asciilifeform: did you know that the latest C++ standard includes a lame implementation of 'lambda'?
asciilifeform: aha
decimation: I was reading a newer C++ text today and laughed when I saw it
asciilifeform: !s sword hilts
assbot: 0 results for 'sword hilts' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=sword+hilts
asciilifeform: !s sword hilt
assbot: 2 results for 'sword hilt' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=sword+hilt
asciilifeform: here we go
decimation: aye
decimation: maybe the next version will include an ascii-art image of dr. mccarthy
mod6: well look at that: http://dpaste.com/1Y82G5E
assbot: dpaste: 1Y82G5E ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQulEO )
mod6: it works!
mod6 pulls blocks
mod6: already have 11k and counting
asciilifeform: weight ?
mod6: 22mb
asciilifeform: cpu ?
asciilifeform: and is 22mb the stripped elf ?
mod6: ah, no that's not stripped.
asciilifeform: strip plz
asciilifeform: i'm assuming x86 ?
mod6: the last 3 commands of that build script never seem to run for some reason
mod6: yeah x86_64
asciilifeform: aha
mod6: lemme stop and strip and re-report, but here: http://dpaste.com/3HEJS6G
assbot: dpaste: 3HEJS6G ... ( http://bit.ly/1CH82Ov )
mod6: ok here we go: http://dpaste.com/0RQ3Q8K
assbot: dpaste: 0RQ3Q8K ... ( http://bit.ly/1CH8goI )
asciilifeform: 5.8M << neato
mod6: yeah :]
asciilifeform: unrelated, http://www.delcoremyhistory.com/Products/missilebattery.htm << how to build battery with 'infinite' shelf life? here's one way
assbot: Delco Remy Division - Product History - Missile Battery ... ( http://bit.ly/1CH8FHI )
decimation: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/aviation/11291495/UK-flights-chaos-Air-traffic-control-computers-using-software-from-the-1960s.html < " Prof Thomas said the NAS system was written using a now defunct computer language called Jovial, meaning Nats has to train programmers in Jovial just to maintain the antiquated software. "
assbot: UK flights chaos: Air traffic control computers using software from the 1960s - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1CH8RH5 )
mod6: im already at 100k blocks.
decimation: asciilifeform: I like how the internal schematic is etched on the device
asciilifeform: i find it peculiar that only one such battery appears to have been mounted
asciilifeform: (one might imagine a museum exhibit could have been 'censored' but there is no obvious place in the guidance barrel for a second)
decimation: well, maybe that's why there are two 'squibs' to release the electrolyte?
asciilifeform: sure
asciilifeform: but only one battery
asciilifeform: what if.
decimation: well, there are two in the unit "A" and "B"
decimation: maybe that was considered enough redundancy? who knows.
asciilifeform: my guess is that the rocket itself was viewed as 'redundant'
asciilifeform: what's one less, one more.
decimation: yeah
decimation: I'm surprised they didn't use the heat coming off the nuclear core for some purpose
asciilifeform: that'd be the logical thing.
asciilifeform: not so much of it
decimation: heh yeah probably not for the logic of that day
asciilifeform: about same as a teapot.
asciilifeform: heatwise
decimation: could be enough to run a small modern micro
asciilifeform: if you've a way to reliably chill the cold end of thermocouple - sur
asciilifeform: e
decimation: ah that's a good point
asciilifeform: but these things had mechanical disks (!), ferrite bead memory (2nd ver.), mechanical vanes, etc
decimation: another view of the devices inside http://www.techbastard.com/missile/minuteman/guidance.php
assbot: Minuteman Guidance System ... ( http://bit.ly/1CHa5Ch )
asciilifeform: http://lanbob.com/lanbob/HDL-V1955-1970AS/HD60MM1.htm << more schematics
assbot: HD1960MM1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1CHa8he )
asciilifeform: platinum toilet.
asciilifeform: ^ very interesting link, one of the designers spills various technical beans
asciilifeform: with napkin sketches, etc
asciilifeform: either a 'loose lips' or - more likely - ancient disinfo reworked for www
asciilifeform: (an american national sport was, at one time, to 'turn loose' mildly buggy military w4r3z for ru folks to find)
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] but to somehow lay out electrical logic elements at the customary densities without resort to a $1B factory. << for the record, this is a hobble.
ben_vulpes: customary densities are a product of red queen dynamics.
asciilifeform: customary - at least something like an intel 4004
asciilifeform: not speaking of 'pentium' here!
ben_vulpes: if the goal is "compute by the yard", make more yards, not smaller compute.
decimation: ah "Batteries: There was a battery at the top in the G&C section and also used to power stage III, a battery in the middle stage II and at the bottom for stage I. There was an umbilical cable at top and bottom, from G&C and stage I, to provide silo “battery” power for checkout."
decimation: apparently the gyros operated continuously while in the silo to reduce launch time
decimation: I wonder how often they failed
asciilifeform: decimation: there is a legend about this
asciilifeform: on ru side
asciilifeform: that it was not deemed economical to use jewelled bearing, as americans did, and the oil of a certain inedible bean (forget which) was employed as lubricant
asciilifeform: which mostly worked
asciilifeform: but couldn't spin continuously
asciilifeform: had to spin up 'when politics were hot' or the like.
decimation: heh
decimation: and then replaced after some operating time presumably
decimation: or at least, re-greased
mod6: wow, this thing is really flying
mod6: 141k
ben_vulpes: mod6: what are you running tonight?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: re 4004: i'm imagining devices at least 10x that scale.
ben_vulpes: imagining -> expecting
asciilifeform: 10x or 1/10
ben_vulpes: 10x.
asciilifeform: so glorified ttl ?
ben_vulpes: perhaps of that scale.
mod6: v0.5.3 base + patches { 1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, 6 & 7 } + openssl 1.0.1g with a modified portotronic build script - all statically linked libs
asciilifeform: congrats mod6 !
ben_vulpes: whoa, all statically linked?
ben_vulpes: wd
mod6: ty
mod6: we'll see if it passes 160001
decimation: asciilifeform: it will be interesting to see how your 'macrofab' order works out
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: will post photos, etc
decimation: did they charge reasonable prices for the non-'house' parts?
asciilifeform: anyone's bet whether they'll ship on schedule, and, if so, exactly -what-
asciilifeform: mostly
asciilifeform: they skin you on pcb
decimation: did you end up using eagle or kicad?
asciilifeform: eagle
asciilifeform: kicad is unusable
asciilifeform: this is an old design
asciilifeform: (>1yr now)
asciilifeform: that i am having them build simply to see what comes of it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5412 @ 0.00044852 = 2.4274 BTC [-]
decimation: yeah that will be interesting
mod6: <+mod6> we'll see if it passes 160001 << derp. 168,001
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: minuteman << did you ever read into the 'amateur' rocketry group with whom i dorked around for a while in undergrad?
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform did not have the honour of partaking in any such thing
ben_vulpes: 'twas a fine introduction to what could be done in a garage without the military overhead.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i very much thought of it when i found that link
asciilifeform: think of how it could have went with modern cnc
ben_vulpes: we made our own spinning fin cans at one point! garage bearing races of... 0.2m diameter!
asciilifeform: neato
ben_vulpes: out of hardened steel no less
ben_vulpes: that we hardened ourselves
asciilifeform: i still think it's odd that the americans never really discovered electrolytic milling
asciilifeform: where it doesn't matter one lick whether material is hardened
ben_vulpes: we just cut slowly.
asciilifeform: and expensively
ben_vulpes: meh.
ben_vulpes: 'twasn't *that* expensive.
asciilifeform: good cutters cost a fortune
asciilifeform: even for (what may be) world's smallest lathe
ben_vulpes: there are a few different hardnesses one can achieve.
ben_vulpes: the hack was finding the sweet spot in race/bearing hardnesses.
asciilifeform: so far i've been able to stick to nonferrous.
ben_vulpes: carbides?
asciilifeform: working materials, that is
ben_vulpes: oh.
asciilifeform: lol
ben_vulpes: yes well that does make life easier haw
ben_vulpes: al's fucking butter
asciilifeform: i did learn the hard way what it does to a grinding wheel
ben_vulpes: hahahahahahaha
ben_vulpes: mhm.
ben_vulpes: hey at least you're not trying to cut steel with diamond bits.
asciilifeform: srsly, you go & try apprenticing with no master.
ben_vulpes: *foomp*
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i did.
ben_vulpes: for at least a whole year.
asciilifeform regards C dissolving in Fe as an elementary fact
asciilifeform: that ought to be obvious to anyone who walks into the workshop
ben_vulpes: someone took pity on me in the warehouse as i worked my way through quarter inch plate with a hand cutter and provided me with an acetylene torch.
ben_vulpes: made the quarter.
asciilifeform: lol
ben_vulpes must piss on each and every fence
ben_vulpes: just you know
ben_vulpes: to find the electric ones
ben_vulpes: but hey at least i made my waste oil furnace
ben_vulpes: there was a chinese restaurant up the way that had a drum of cooking oil
ben_vulpes: free heat!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: before i fall asleep, i remembered to tell, that there actually were 'integrated circuits' in ussr that were built in the way you suggest
ben_vulpes: i suggested a method?
asciilifeform: out of uncommonly small physically-discrete transistors
mod6: 166k
ben_vulpes: mm ah
ben_vulpes: almost!
asciilifeform: legend also has it that one of the items secretly salvaged by h. hughes's 'glomar explorer' mega-ship was a collection of such circuits
decimation: asciilifeform: were they individually packaged?
asciilifeform: the transistors ?
asciilifeform: i do not presently know.
asciilifeform: but my understanding is that they were placed by hand.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i dreamt once of coercing bugs into placing such devices.
ben_vulpes: i was taking classes in chaos theory, control theory and installing machines for a biologist at the time.
asciilifeform: what kid hasn't considered ants, pheromone trail computer.
ben_vulpes looks back at his work history in wonder
asciilifeform: !s ant colony
assbot: 4 results for 'ant colony' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ant+colony
ben_vulpes: more amoebic placement.
mod6: passed 168,001
asciilifeform: mod6: congrats
ben_vulpes: golf claps
mod6: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=jFcyGsHN
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQDUDM )
mod6: :]
mod6: ty ty
asciilifeform thanks mod6 for fixing his catastrophic bug
asciilifeform reminds all therealbitcoin folks to 'trust but verify'
mod6 thanks asciilifeform for building the portotronic & build script
asciilifeform: (or in the original rhyming proverb, 'доверяй но проверяй')
mod6: ah! yes.
mod6: well gentlemen, that's all for me tonight. ima let it run, see how it does overnight. will report more tomorrow.
asciilifeform: good night mod6 & co
asciilifeform must also be off to bed
mod6: ni!
decimation as well, night
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00043767 = 5.7772 BTC [-]
Naphex: o/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00043904 = 5.1807 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00044852 = 4.0591 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9949 @ 0.00044852 = 4.4623 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00043767 = 6.5651 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22349 @ 0.00043767 = 9.7815 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11750 @ 0.00043767 = 5.1426 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00043767 = 4.0484 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: oh man
ben_vulpes: i might be able to rid this stack of solr with judicious application of postgres full text search
BingoBoingo: O.o
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4008 @ 0.00043767 = 1.7542 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00044852 = 1.4353 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00043767 = 4.3329 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3347 @ 0.00043609 = 1.4596 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7749 @ 0.00044852 = 3.4756 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6353 @ 0.00043609 = 2.7705 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00042928 = 3.7991 BTC [-]
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/scotland-takes-symbolic-step-towards-online-independence/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6466 @ 0.00044697 = 2.8901 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: http://uncrunched.com/2015/02/17/we-deserve-a-better-bitcoin-experience-than-circle/
assbot: We Deserve A Better Bitcoin Experience Than Circle | Uncrunched ... ( http://bit.ly/1E57S86 )
BingoBoingo: ^ Incredilol
cazalla: strange, i never had to send them a selfie
cazalla: i'm not sure i even sent ID from memory
punkman: they event stopped sending me SMS codes for every login/deposit
cazalla: i guess arrington is trying to use it for something more than cash in, bitcoin out, lol @ his $100 limit too
BingoBoingo: Hard to say
BingoBoingo: Maybe they had a "Pls don't let Mike ID be stolen here" flag set
punkman: cazalla, do they still have you at $500 limit?
cazalla: punkman, yup
punkman: in other news, I got those "English Accent Knives", plenty sharp and they did in fact survive accidental drops.
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2015#976971
assbot: Logged on 14-01-2015 09:33:23; fluffypony: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9zuSTOE2vk
fluffypony: lol punkman
punkman: http://www.thelingerieaddict.com/2012/01/what-you-didnt-know-to-look-for-in-a-corset-5-myths-debunked.html
assbot: What (You Didn't Know) to Look for in a Corset: 5 Popular Myths Debunked I The Lingerie Addict ... ( http://bit.ly/1CHmqsB )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33100 @ 0.00042917 = 14.2055 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: btw you can find decent tailors for the girlies at lightinthebox.com, even pauper can afford
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9422 @ 0.00043575 = 4.1056 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4965 @ 0.00042904 = 2.1302 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: this obsession with buying btc online through a webapp is pretty humerus.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Think of it as a rescue mission. Save the precious BTC by trying to get them to safe private keys out of the web3.0 grasp.
kakobrekla: check out this shit, filtering specifically; https://gist.github.com/k9ert/ace7b25b354831ec5006
assbot: Bitcoin-assets 21-01-2015 minus some distractions ... ( http://bit.ly/1AEqxIq )
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Wow, filtered to remove the important
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Gotta filter that way for the text to be safe for ego.
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/k9ert
assbot: k9ert (@k9ert) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1AErpg9 )
BingoBoingo: ^ filterer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5270 @ 0.00043074 = 2.27 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 344030 | Current Difficulty: 4.44554159623438E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 344735 | Next Difficulty In: 705 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 13 hours, 52 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 45833353704.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.09959
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20630 @ 0.00042904 = 8.8511 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00043298 = 3.8752 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00042929 = 9.3156 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4236 @ 0.00083996 = 3.5581 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4534 @ 0.00084972 = 3.8526 BTC [+] {8}
BingoBoingo: !up brendafdez
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19115 @ 0.00042904 = 8.2011 BTC [-]
brendafdez: ;;later tell mircea_popescu You're squatting the channel ;) http://pastebin.com/YNqdarX7 I could be running some shady business there instead...
assbot: (09:24:01 AM) ChanServ: (notice) Information on #bitcoin-argentina: (09:24:01 A - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1DpXI2O )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhnblU9leIo
assbot: The Story of the First Ultra Modern Phone Cable Ship - AT&T Archives - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lamxz0 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12838 @ 0.00043707 = 5.6111 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: from the author of learn2prog.de
BingoBoingo: !up yhwh_
yhwh_: tight
kakobrekla: ben_vulpes i did not see his key in the wot
ben_vulpes: http://sourceforge.net/projects/struktor/ << author i think of this
assbot: struktor | SourceForge.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1BlIyLg )
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 91 @ 0.0902167 = 8.2097 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 6937 @ 0.00078816 = 5.4675 BTC [-] {17}
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Apparently he has a keybase.io according to the gitrub
ben_vulpes: gutrub
kakobrekla: yea
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00044069 = 5.6849 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell nubbins' Do you call the version control system you use to manage your silk screen projects nubrub?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
punkman: orly http://www.theguardian.com/news/2015/feb/18/yanis-varoufakis-how-i-became-an-erratic-marxist
assbot: Yanis Varoufakis: How I became an erratic Marxist | News | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaxErI )
kakobrekla: https://blog.shodan.io/duplicate-ssh-keys-everywhere/
assbot: Duplicate SSH Keys Everywhere ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaxUqv )
jurov: brendafdez: guess who has #bitcoin-anal :)
ben_vulpes: and buttcoin
ben_vulpes: but not bitcoin-asshats
ben_vulpes: irc channels are clearly territory.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu likes to pee on things
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16050 @ 0.00043214 = 6.9358 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up brendafdez
nubbins`: yes, nubrub
nubbins`: also, who in the world uses a version control system for this sort of thing 8)
ben_vulpes: http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2015/02/why-men-always-think-women-are-flirting.html << someone tried to reproduce a "social science" study.
assbot: Why Men Always Think Women Are Flirting -- Science of Us ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaCsgE )
nubbins`: most of you will be literally horrified to learn that all my art assets are stored in Dropbox.
ben_vulpes: nubbins`: as opposed to...
ben_vulpes: figuratively horrified?
nubbins`: yeah
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: By version control I mean how you handle the screens for various stage
nubbins`: like, irc horrified
BingoBoingo: s
nubbins`: sorta like how nobody actually lols when they say lol.
ben_vulpes: i typically snort
nubbins`: BingoBoingo this is about as deserving of a system as the stack of plates in your kitchen cupboard :)
brendafdez: I was wondering if the Wordpress pingback DDoS is still an issue, or was it fixed in more recent versions? I'm running 4.1 and my xmlrpc.php (http://pastebin.com/6s78Hh5c) doesn't even have a reference to $linea. I don't speal PHP at all, so I'm not sure if I should still paste the replecement code somewhere.
nubbins`: we do have a set of screen-drying cupboards i could christen "nubrub", i guess
ben_vulpes: oh yeah
ben_vulpes: totally paste the code in
ben_vulpes: wcgw etc
ben_vulpes: ;;ud wcgw
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=WCGW | Oct 17, 2010 ... What Could Go Wrong? ... Top Definition. WCGW. What Could Go Wrong? A drunk with a set of car keys. WCGW? by prosanity October 17, ...
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Is that not a system? One doesn't have to be Alekine to have a system
punkman: *chuckle*
ben_vulpes is satisfied.
brendafdez: ;)
nubbins`: heh
ben_vulpes: don't listen to me, i failed to sleep last night.
nubbins`: BingoBoingo ehh maybe
nubbins`: it's reaching a bit
nubbins`: what name do you put on your system for tying shoes?
ben_vulpes: THE ULTIMATE SHOE TYING SYSTEM
ben_vulpes: dude i have one.
BingoBoingo: brendafdez: It is still a think. Wordpress people keep moving where the target is
ben_vulpes: nubbins: first, instead of a simple once around, go around...twice
nubbins`: you should call it "shoeshoe train"
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Knot++
nubbins`: sounds nicer
nubbins`: heh.
ben_vulpes: the full 360 prevents slippage while doing the loop
ben_vulpes: THEN
ben_vulpes: when doing the loop, again go around not once...BUT TWICE
brendafdez: pasting in. http://www.wayofcats.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/carefullylaidplan.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaDdGl )
nubbins`: fwiw the second go-around is key for handling slippery laces
ben_vulpes: this knot does not slip.
ben_vulpes: good morning mike_c
mike_c: good morning!
nubbins`: really tempted to buy another settlers of catan expansion
ben_vulpes: what are you doing today?
mike_c: the same thing i do every day.. trying to take over the world.
ben_vulpes: oh man
ben_vulpes: that's like the second eyeroll i've had cuz of irc in 5 minutes
mike_c: cmon, that never gets old
ben_vulpes: gonna get a headache at this rate
nubbins`: phun phact, one of our cats is named after that show.
danielpbarron: is there a way to check the fingerprint of an assbot user?
mike_c: danielpbarron: http://files.bitcoin-assets.com/wot/trustlist.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AF0TD9 )
mike_c: l2 only though
danielpbarron: there's no command or link in w.b-a.link ?
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Well you could visit people at their ICBM address and ask politely
danielpbarron: like !fingerprint danielpbarron
mike_c: hn, not that i know of.
danielpbarron: i'm trying to prove my fingerprint is assciated with my username
danielpbarron: i can do this with gribble..
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: But asswot is stateless
danielpbarron: so far all i got is: http://w.b-a.link/trust/7C1FBEC924FBD66531A02AE3F95E4E395927DC9C/155934bdd16e8eaf4493cb9cb36ae9849d961ac9
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AF1nsZ )
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: lieeeeees
danielpbarron: why can't it at least mention a username in that dump?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Which lies?
ben_vulpes: assbot being stateless
ben_vulpes: asswot either
nubbins`: !ident danielpbarron
nubbins`: for shame
ben_vulpes: wut
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Oh, I though you were talking about ICBM addressing protocol
nubbins`: danielpbarron just !rate a fake nick
nubbins`: i guess
nubbins`: or, i mean, gpg-sign something
mike_c: gpg sign proves you have the key, not that key & nick are related.
mike_c: do something with !rate works though
danielpbarron: i want to sign a thing that someone can cross reference with my ratings
nubbins`: !rate itsme 1 it's me
assbot: itsme is not registered in WoT.
nubbins` shrugs
nubbins`: can't be done
nubbins`: !rate nubbins` 1 me
assbot: You can not rate yourself.
nubbins`: eat shit
nubbins`: !gettrust danielpbarron
assbot: Trust relationship from user nubbins` to user danielpbarron: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -1 via 7 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/nubbins%60/danielpbarron | http://w.b-a.link/user/danielpbarron
BingoBoingo: !t m s.qntr
assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.000175 / 0.0002225 / 0.00026 (28055 shares, 6.24 BTC)
nubbins`: yeah that's a fairly large gap in functionality
danielpbarron: lol i love that l2 score
danielpbarron: you do business with some shady dudes
danielpbarron: stupid github thinks i'm not human; i figured gpg to asswot should be enough proof
nubbins` shrugs
nubbins`: gotta sell the shinies to someone 8)
nubbins`: o wow, an i-hate-nubs thread that i didn't unsubscribe from
BingoBoingo: Where?
nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=935984.msg10493773#msg10493773
assbot: REMOVE NUBBINS FROM THE DEFAULT TRUST LIST FOR REPEATED TRUST ABUSE ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaH32t )
nubbins`: it bothers me that he insists on capitalizing my name
danielpbarron: that guy... hahah
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1305 @ 0.00084998 = 1.1092 BTC [+] {3}
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: how are you proposing to tie github to asswot?
nubbins`: danielpbarron i was almost forced to make fun of him in his vaccines thread
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4531 @ 0.00043214 = 1.958 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2015#1023485
assbot: Logged on 18-02-2015 14:23:08; danielpbarron: so far all i got is: http://w.b-a.link/trust/7C1FBEC924FBD66531A02AE3F95E4E395927DC9C/155934bdd16e8eaf4493cb9cb36ae9849d961ac9
kakobrekla: added:
kakobrekla: [fromnick] => assbot
kakobrekla: [fromkey] => 7C1FBEC924FBD66531A02AE3F95E4E395927DC9C
kakobrekla: [tonick] => danielpbarron
kakobrekla: [tokey] => 155934BDD16E8EAF4493CB9CB36AE9849D961AC9
danielpbarron: ben_vulpes, they gave me a form to submit my request, and i told them to give me OTP to clearsign, and gave them links to that ^
nubbins`: kakobrekla i think he's concerned about the fact that the "danielpbarron" behind that link isn't necessarily the one in-chan?
danielpbarron: no; i just want something that says "assbot user named 'danielpbarron' uses gpg key ...
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: what request?
kakobrekla: gribble's auth is as good as assbots voice
ben_vulpes: isn't that a site you just sign up for?
nubbins`: ;;ident danielpbarron
gribble: Nick 'danielpbarron', with hostmask 'danielpbarron!~dpb@c-71-232-150-212.hsd1.ma.comcast.net', is not identified.
danielpbarron: yeah i've had an account for a while, but just noticed it's been flagged as "not human"
ben_vulpes: wahahaha.
ben_vulpes: in other news, people committing LF only files into client repos today...
nubbins`: CR is so passe
danielpbarron: probably because the last thing i recall doing on github had something to do with making fun of gender pronouns
ben_vulpes: utf-8 all the things
ben_vulpes: heh.
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: your dedication to stirring up shit is endlessly entertaining.
nubbins`: zhe
nubbins`: zhis
kakobrekla: also the bibletronics
nubbins`: ;;google zhe zhis
gribble: How to Fold a Zhe Zhi (Origami) Dove - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sUW0wr3jKw>; Long zhi ren zhe (1982) - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084267/>; Gender-neutral pronouns for English - The Progress Report: <http://www.progress.org/tpr/gender-neutral-pronouns-for-english-2/>
nubbins`: "Zhe was walking zher dog down the street and then gave zhim a treat."
nubbins`: fuck me
nubbins`: why are they using a gender-neutral pronoun for the fucking DOG?
nubbins`: "The pronoun “one” would not do here: “One was walking one’s dog down the street and then gave one a treat”"
nubbins`: yeah, because you'd say "gave one a treat", not "gave it a treat"
nubbins` weeps
BingoBoingo: Wait, that's a gender neutral thing? I thought it was a Prussian thing.
nubbins`: it's a thing thing
danielpbarron: or if you're feeling generous: give one two treats
ben_vulpes: i like it
nubbins`: "And if some high official, such as the president, says zhe will use gender-neutral pronouns for zher own writing, and ask that those writing to zhim do so also, that would provide a powerful boost."
nubbins` sobs uncontrollably
nubbins`: perhaps obummer will start doing precisely this
ben_vulpes: thanks obub
danielpbarron: are those actual quotes from a genuine idiot?
nubbins`: nevermind that "zher" sounds like fucking diarrhoea
nubbins`: http://www.progress.org/tpr/gender-neutral-pronouns-for-english-2/
assbot: Gender-neutral pronouns for English - The Progress Report ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaJOAL )
nubbins`: Save us from confusing grammar such as “everyone must have their books.” Make it instead “everyone must have zher books.” It then becomes clear that each person must have one’s own book and not the books of all the others. It is also shorter and less awkward than having to say “his or her” all the time.
ben_vulpes: dude
nubbins`: funny, i automatically thought that i must have the books of all others.
BingoBoingo: "And if some high official, such as the president, says it will use gender-neutral pronouns for its own writing, and ask that those writing to it do so also, that would provide a powerful boost." << Ther fixed with objectification
nubbins`: also, "less awkward"
nubbins`: heh.
ben_vulpes: objectification << nice
nubbins`: "everyone must have zher books" is categorically NOT less awkward than any other english sentence that does not contain the "word" "zher"
ben_vulpes: nubbins` you really like getting bent out of shape over derps don't you
nubbins`: it's a hobby
BingoBoingo: Seriously when people insist on gender neutral pronouns your choices are it in the singular and they in the plural. Or... nouns still exists.
nubbins`: i prefer to use "they" as a gender neutral pronoun
nubbins`: fuck its intended use
ben_vulpes: nah your choices are to ignore them or beat them
jurov: http://files.bitcoin-assets.com/wot/trustlist.txt << list of all nicks and fingerprints
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaKDtf )
danielpbarron: i will default to 'him' and 'his' for exactly the reason they wish i wouldn't
ben_vulpes: http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2015/02/tech-leads-the-way/ << look, microshit beat facebutts!
assbot: Tech Leads the Way | The Big Picture ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaKBS5 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00043179 = 10.2334 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: jurov just l2
jurov: The zh words would help refer to God: for Zhe is just, and Zher love for humanity endless, and we worship Zhim
jurov: ahahahaha
ben_vulpes: google in the red, and aws barely ekeing out 6.9
BingoBoingo: Nah, see the canonical example "It puts the lotion in the basket." "It puts the lotion on the skin or it gets the hose again"
nubbins`: jurov does god have a peepee or a slit?
danielpbarron: heh, everyone is an object when you take away sexism
nubbins`: BingoBoingo XD
jurov: Zhe can have both
kakobrekla: for some reason i thought you wanted strictly level 2 list - it actually takes a couple of min to generate. full dump would take a second.
nubbins`: PUT THE LOTION IN THE FUCKING BASKET
nubbins`: oh also
nubbins`: i got debian shoved on my pogoplug
danielpbarron: nice
jurov: kakobrekla if it can include l1/l2 ratings, why not have everyone?
nubbins`: currently serving files from a 1.5tb drive
danielpbarron: tell me how! i will attempt
nubbins`: gonna try to pop .foundation 531 on it soon
ben_vulpes: shove debian up your pogoplug
nubbins`: danielpbarron sec
nubbins`: http://blog.qnology.com/2014/07/hacking-pogoplug-v4-series-4-and-mobile.html
assbot: Qui's techNOLOGY Blog: Hacking the Pogoplug v4 (Series 4 and Mobile) with Linux (Debian or Arch) ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaLl9S )
nubbins`: impossibly easy
nubbins`: just needs a 4G+ sd card
danielpbarron: is debian a systemd turd?
nubbins` shrugs
ben_vulpes: yup
nubbins`: there's also arch linux arm
kakobrekla: jurov everyones l1/l2? from assbot to target ? that would take prolly 10 times longer or so.
danielpbarron: yeah i got arch on mine
ben_vulpes: "arch" << also turdolated
ben_vulpes: not that i even know wat that means
nubbins`: heh.
nubbins`: i think it means alf doesn't like it
nubbins`: anyway, idgaf
jurov: kakobrekla okay then, it can be queried extra
nubbins`: $10 NAS
ben_vulpes: more like corprolifeform
danielpbarron: i don't know much about systemd except that it's hated in here, and in "top" *everything* is a subprocess of it..
nubbins`: as an aside, the pogoplug MOBILE (blue logo) does NOT accept SATA
ben_vulpes: !up thestringpuller
nubbins`: top doesn't pop off
ben_vulpes: !gettrust assbot thestringpuller
assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user thestringpuller: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 5 via 7 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/thestringpuller | http://w.b-a.link/user/thestringpuller
danielpbarron: nubbins`, yep but it has twice the memory
nubbins`: o?
nubbins`: well that's the one i have
kakobrekla: jurov actually im being dumb
danielpbarron: nubbins`, which one? the blue one?
ben_vulpes: what's up with your keys, thestringpuller?
nubbins`: yeah
kakobrekla: i can just attach everyone who is missing from that list with l0/l1
nubbins`: blue logo
nubbins`: i think the purple logo is the one where the top comes off to reveal SATA/USD
kakobrekla: eh, l1=0, l2=0
nubbins`: *USB
danielpbarron: yes
kakobrekla: without doing any computing.
nubbins`: also i think the purple logo won't boot off an SD?
danielpbarron: well i think you'll have a very hard time syncing considering harddisk read write is the bottleneck
nubbins`: not sure
nubbins`: danielpbarron yeah no doubt.
jurov: kakobrekla: that's a bit misleading, rather put "-" instead of the zeros
danielpbarron: but the blue unit might be a good device for a pre-synched chain copied in
kakobrekla: eh?
kakobrekla: how is 0 different from -
nubbins`: 0 is a value
kakobrekla: yea but in effect
nubbins`: - is the absence thereof
kakobrekla: you need >0
jurov: you want for users with negative rating to show 0?
jurov: that is a bit misleading imo
nubbins`: danielpbarron now there's a torrent i'd seed
kakobrekla: no, but i can show negative rating as negative rating
nubbins`: hm
nubbins`: actually
nubbins`: is anyone interested in donating a modicum of bandwidth to such a thing?
nubbins`: i've got 30mbit up, could spare some
jurov: kakobrekla: yes you can. but if you don't bother to run the query, make the NULLs recognizable
kakobrekla: i actually compute the neg rates atm, just dont show em
mod6: still going: 208582
nubbins` claps
kakobrekla: you cant know its a neg if you dont compute it
danielpbarron: eh i'm not suggesting we all share the same torrented blockchain; i mean you could sync it on your own machine and copy it over
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/2waac0/your_disk_controller_and_you
assbot: Your Disk Controller and You : programming ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaMTAV )
nubbins`: nono, i totally understand
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the 'bury brigade' is slacking today...
nubbins`: *i'm* suggesting we seed a blockchain torrent 8)
danielpbarron: that sounds evil
nubbins`: meh
jurov: !up thestringpuller
asciilifeform: the pogoplug MOBILE (blue logo) does NOT accept SATA << correct. costs ~$6 less
danielpbarron: btw, no blocks mined using version > 2 in the last 12 hours or so
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: My keys are airgapped, as in I am physically separated from access cause I don't have something secure to shuttle them en-mobile. I.e. cardano....
asciilifeform: yep but it has twice the memory << unfortunately, not so simple. the -previous generation- of both devices cost the same and had 2x the ram. they are no longer available new anywhere i know of
danielpbarron: oh
thestringpuller: If I get netsplit at work I'm shit out of luck.
nubbins`: shame
kakobrekla: but version number just tells you the version number
nubbins`: anyway, blue logo guy is nice
danielpbarron: i haven't opened my blue unit yet
asciilifeform: i think the purple logo won't boot off an SD << when this is through there will be no need to boot from anything but the internal eeprom
kakobrekla: next version ships with diskram
danielpbarron: well if they aren't reporting a greater version then they might as well not be using it (the version is used to decide with the fork, hard or soft, happens)
asciilifeform: incidentally, the ram penny-pinching ought to be familiar to veterans of the old linksys wrt linux router
asciilifeform: which eventually ended up with 2MB in which no linux of the time would sit down
asciilifeform: pay same, get half, then half again...
kakobrekla: until diskram
asciilifeform: swap yer whole life away
nubbins`: in fairness, the same dollar amount is worth less each time you buy one 8)
asciilifeform: less less
nubbins` nods
nubbins`: that's how they get ya
nubbins`: there was a thread on reddit the other day
nubbins`: "holy shit bitcoin core runs on raspi B+!"
nubbins`: i chuckled
nubbins`: this pogo thing is gonna make tsunamis
nubbins`: kinda tempted to buy like a hundred
kakobrekla: actually that is quite an achievement for the pos bcore and rpi are
danielpbarron: hehe
nubbins`: asciilifeform maybe that's the exuberance
danielpbarron: nubbins`, you set off a mythology about the pogo; some guy on the forum keeps telling everyone about the "ten thousand nodes" that MP is gonna use to stop the fork
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: is link in logs?
danielpbarron: to what? the forum post of that ^ ?
nubbins`: danielpbarron notu badu
nubbins`: how many nodes right now, anyway?
nubbins`: i guess no easy way to count
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: yes
danielpbarron: reminds me of classic chinese in which "ten thousand" was used to mean "infinity"
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: kinda speaks to the need for a disposable btc addr you can use to get yourself !up
danielpbarron: for those familiar with the Tao Te Ching
nubbins`: danielpbarron here, in times past, "thousands" was used as an immeasurable
nubbins`: "wow, there must be millions of cod in those waters"
danielpbarron: thestringpuller, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10478764;topicseen#msg10478764 here's one such mention
assbot: Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaPhaM )
nubbins`: "millions? b'y, there's THOUSANDS of em out there"
danielpbarron: according the the forum's wisdom, we should have used a unit that can be upgraded to support 20MB blocks
nubbins`: you should plan for sucking Hitler's knob in the event that the Nazis win WW2.
nubbins`: hahahahahaha
danielpbarron: actually that's not the guy; hdbuck might be an ally
danielpbarron: lemme find another one
danielpbarron: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10473688#msg10473688 << inBitweTrust
assbot: Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaPURH )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Dunno that they are awake yet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1700 @ 0.00084999 = 1.445 BTC [+] {2}
danielpbarron: "What is sad is that they are supposedly scrambling to setup 10k nodes to prevent this hardfork when all they will succeed if they aren't bluffing is an alt with 10k nodes and less than 1-2% hashing power. Hopefully they have some developers on hand to quickly change the difficulty retarget limit so they have a usable , albeit very insecure alt."
danielpbarron: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=919629.msg10298889#msg10298889 << can't make up his mind; the 10k nodes are either to stop the fork, OR the fork must be stopped to protect the investment in 10k nodes..
assbot: Fork off ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaQhf6 )
danielpbarron: "Thanks. This is very enlightening and reveals the true motivations behind Mircea Popescu objections. He has made an investment in up to 10k nodes that would be obsolete if Gavin pushes through his hard fork. Why doesn't he honestly bring to the community these concerns as one of his principle motivations so we can try and find a solution together? The fact that he is not being forthright with this concern is troubling to sa
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14064 @ 0.00042775 = 6.0159 BTC [-] {3}
nubbins`: i fucking hate this pseudo-intellectual style of writing
nubbins`: all this "perhaps if we are just open about our abject failures as humans" stuff
nubbins`: maybe if you just come to the community and openly admit you spent 10k btc on cocaine
nubbins`: being forthright in this manner would help his cause significantly
nubbins`: anyway
nubbins`: "The thing is, I don't think there will ever be mass adoption of the system as it exist today. The 'average Joe' will be using some payment processor and not the blockchain directly. So the blockchain will have transactions from payment processors and early adopters/enthusiasts. The rest will be in closed systems and/or side chains that can solve a lot of the volume issues."
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 237.8, Best ask: 238.54, Bid-ask spread: 0.74000, Last trade: 237.8, 24 hour volume: 13352.09109047, 24 hour low: 237.11, 24 hour high: 248.78, 24 hour vwap: 242.83957709
thestringpuller: dunno which I hate more "hybrid cloud" or "mass adoption"
thestringpuller: or "internets of thingz"
thestringpuller: nubbins`: MP is more trusted than all random forum muppets and Gavin combined. Like parent to child, "I don't have to explain myself to you."
PeterL: !up thestringpuller
thestringpuller: thanks PeterL
PeterL: !up Dr-G
danielpbarron: ok what is the point of "zher" and "zhim" ?? aren't these still gender specific??
PeterL: link?
danielpbarron: !s progress.org
assbot: 0 results for 'progress.org' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=progress.org
danielpbarron: assbot is wrong; it's in there
nubbins`: thestringpuller "trusted" is a relative term, yo!
nubbins`: oprah is more trusted than almost anyone else alive, doesn't mean i'm gonna take her advice 8)
danielpbarron: adding a 'z' to a word doesn't magically transform it into a gender neutral term any more than adding a cape to a retard magically enables him, excuse me, zhim to fly
PeterL: maybe you pick whichever you like better, zhim or zher, and use it for both genders?
jurov: i understod it as "replace her, him and it both by `zer`"
PeterL: I seem to remember in middle English they used something like "hir" for both genders?
nubbins`: he/him she/her zhe/zher
PeterL: but it's been a while since I read Chaucer, so I might be wrong
punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-IvozdCIAACbi5.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bm2LRa )
PeterL: myself, I sometimes use the pronoun "e" in place of he/she
danielpbarron: in an attempt to grok this, i read the sentence so many times even the word 'her' doesn't look right
PeterL: which sentence?
danielpbarron: "Zhe was walking zher dog down the street and then gave zhim a treat." << couldn't it be "Zhe was walking zher dog .. and gave zher a treat" ?
PeterL: zher is possesive
PeterL: zhim is object pronoun
mircea_popescu: wut.
PeterL: "she was walking her dog down street, gave her a treat", "he was walking down the street with his dog, gave him a treat"
mircea_popescu: dogs are it.
kakobrekla: no, the dog gave the treat
PeterL: her can be equivalent to him or his, because English is not a very systematic language
danielpbarron: that's why dog owners always bring plastic baggies; for treat collection
thestringpuller: nubbins`: something something loyalty.
mircea_popescu: the dog treat[ment]!
PeterL: I gave it to her/him/zhim, the thing was hers/his/???
mircea_popescu: i propose she/he/herp her/him/herp hers/his/derp
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: safe and secure in the ca government's hands. << fountains gotta fountain.
PeterL: BingoBoingo: s/produces much Britain's /produces much of Britains's in http://qntra.net/2015/02/scotland-takes-symbolic-step-towards-online-independence/
assbot: Scotland Takes Symbolic Step Towards Online Independence | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bm5mKR )
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2015#1022914 << it occurs to me a good time to run away is when an australian guy finds a spider he never saw before.
assbot: Logged on 18-02-2015 02:24:56; cazalla: i'm cleaning up and what do i see.. a spider, but one i've never seen before http://i.imgur.com/5Es7jlg.jpg
mircea_popescu: it's probably the antichrist.
jurov: what to do when said guy wants to keep said spider as pet?
mircea_popescu: run away further!
jurov: !up thestringpuller
mircea_popescu: "Yet another article describing what we've known for a while : secure computing is in fact rendered impossible by the hardware itself, what with DMAi, what with defective separation of controlii with CPUs embedded in all the peripherals anyway and so on and so forth."
mircea_popescu: holy shit trilema was discussing the "hard drtives discovery" a year ago ?
mircea_popescu: thanks asciilifeform for digging it up lol
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: probably needs entirely new chemistry. << graphite base ?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu doesn't like spiders?
mircea_popescu: no one says you need a dielectric with conductive masks, you could use a conductor with dielectric masks ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: but to somehow lay out electrical logic elements at the customary densities << you're right that it's the wrong thought, and also, "customary" - honestly even making something like a z80, as long as it can be made at home, with equipment costing about what a z80 cost, is well worth it.
mircea_popescu: !up wtf
jurov: how long it takes a z80 to make or verify ECDSA signature?
jurov: let's say it takes 10 cycles per average instruction, at 8MHz, ecdsa is about 500k steps
jurov: ;;calc 500000/(8000000/10)
gribble: 0.625
jurov: and i suspect i'm very optimistic about 500k steps = 500k 16bit instructions
jurov: lol it's 8bit actually xD
mircea_popescu: jurov this discussion is along the lines of "nobody will use bitcoin if transactions take > x arbitrary time"
mircea_popescu: this is false : when there is no alternative, no one "doesn't use" it because aesthetics.
nubbins`: !s portatronic
assbot: 13 results for 'portatronic' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=portatronic
mircea_popescu: if the only way to make a secure signature is to take a day to do it, heck, you'll take a day.
mircea_popescu: people did business when it took a month.
jurov: so they'll use only because they can cook it at home?
kakobrekla: x arbitrary time < not when x approaches infinite
jurov: when there's a restaurant 1000x faster?
mircea_popescu: jurov there isn't.
mircea_popescu: that's the point. if there is we just use that.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yes, only for finite xen
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: and hence this. << tis great, what.
kakobrekla: you actually dont have to go that far. for me 100years + is pretty much as good as infinite, as i dont expect to see it
jurov: what specifically "there isn't"?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla agreed.
mircea_popescu: jurov there isn't hardware you can trust.
jurov: there is. teletype and such
mircea_popescu: but regardless, that's not how death comes to it. death comes to it like bitcoin came to the usd : first, it's a toy.
mircea_popescu: then...
jurov: z80 is closer to teletype than to any modern cpu
mircea_popescu: i merely wish to point out that i had better games on the z80 than on the ipad.
jurov: but you certainly didn't have better crypto
mircea_popescu: but i did have better security.
nubbins`: ;;google "death comes quick for these types"
gribble: Influenza - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza>; Ebola virus disease - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebola_virus_disease>; The Critical Issue of Life and Death - BuddhaNet: <http://www.buddhanet.net/cbp2_f7.htm>
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00043382 = 4.2731 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: nubbins` google doesn't get a joke >D
nubbins`: was actually wondering if a specific thing'd come up
jurov: as long as you made no transactions involving wires or floppies, then yes.
mircea_popescu: i did. but nobody had a clue to tap them.
jurov: or you seriously propose homebrew ICs just to be able to play 8bit stuff again?
mircea_popescu: not exactly. but to reconstruct the universe of people who made and played those, and their thoughts and ideas.
Adlai: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9066090
assbot: So the question is - do we really want to keep our market economy and see if it ... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bmaizk )
mircea_popescu: a large portion of the insecurity today is due to the fact that people like poettering CAN be involved.
mircea_popescu: the reason z80 era was secure was because governments, generally, COULD NOT be involved
mircea_popescu: for lack of intellectual capacity
mircea_popescu: (note i am discussing strictly soviet satellites here, obviously each place has its own golden age)
jurov: lol you idealize it. they were involved exactly because it was simple, unlike any crypto
jurov: no maffs nmecessary
mircea_popescu: i happen to know the guys and what they did, exhaustively and personally.
mircea_popescu: no idealization involved.
mircea_popescu: but perhaps excessive geo particularization, obv.
jurov: well, i know some too. very few of them improved so much that they would be able to implement bitcoin
jurov: like, statistical error
mircea_popescu: it's not so much a "i want those guys back" as it is "i want the situaiton where being 20 and into computers was more distinctive than any other thing - and you could spot a govt mole from a mile away"
kakobrekla: Adlai stupid thread. just wait till you cant distinguish silicon from flesh.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: when has it ever been easy to spot a mole?
mircea_popescu: and im pretty sure the us had this too, even if i wasn't there t o witness, for reasons like the beginning of gate's career, when he was a whiny turd outcast at computer conventions.
thestringpuller: Or at least a good one. Spies have gotten better methinks.
mircea_popescu: his rise in fact exactly mirrors this particular economic change, where shitgnomes finally became able to breach into computing.
Adlai: kakobrekla: s/silicon|flesh/lab-grown|organic/
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it generally is.
mircea_popescu: spies are worse than they ever were in the history of the world, with the exception of 1200.
Adlai: "sorry, i prefer to only have organic sex"
Adlai: !up thestringpuller
mircea_popescu: decimation: < 'leadership' at its finest << no, he has a point, and it's perhaps the first time i've seen obama say something intelligent.
Adlai: note that in this case both would technically be "organic", but one side has the moral superiority of whatever the "organic" buzzword stands for
mircea_popescu: what he is saying is, "you can not give me an unbounded task and then expect me to reason about it. you already set the tone as metaphysical by your task description"
mircea_popescu: but he says it decorously.
thestringpuller: Well you had ninjas and shit a millenium ago. Now you have "poor replication" or ninja.
thestringpuller: of ninja*
mircea_popescu: and his point is entirely valid : when it comes to idiocy, blaming obama is pointless. blame the public.
nubbins`: blaming the public is kinda pointless too
mircea_popescu: how so ?
mircea_popescu: i do not mean "the public" collectively.
nubbins`: might as well blame the wind. what's to gain?
nubbins`: o.
mircea_popescu: i mean, joint and several, every single individual, individually.
nubbins`: of course you do
nubbins`: 8)
mircea_popescu: ie, every single us citizen is to hang for the debt. himself. personally. for the whole sum of it, 50 trillion or w/e it is.
mircea_popescu: o, you don't have 50 trn ? fuck you, we're making soap. next.
kakobrekla: Adlai there doesn't have to be a difference to argue about it. See http://pwbelectronics.co.uk/whatamess.html
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1BmbFOr )
nubbins`: what's 50trn in real money
mircea_popescu: nubbins` one million detached houses would do.
mircea_popescu: alternatively, one could pay in heads of cattle. fifty billion of them or so.
mod6: ;;calc 21000000/50000000000000
gribble: 4.2e-07
mircea_popescu: or if not, we're repossessing all of the person's 5 billion cars, or whatever, 200 billion ipads.
mircea_popescu: got 200 billion ipads ?
mircea_popescu: o look, russia could buy america!!11
thestringpuller: ;;calc 50000000000000 / 21000000
gribble: 2380952.38095
mod6: thx tsp
mircea_popescu: i wonder what the prices for slaves would look like if the market was suddenly deluged with 300mn lazy, self entitled, "Consumers have come to expect" ish people.
mircea_popescu: i should probably buy Crop&Cane Inc shares.
thestringpuller: those people would make terrible slaves even if beaten
mod6: ^
thestringpuller: "ho -> housewife" or something rappers say
mod6: "Stop that! Get me a latte!"
mircea_popescu: that lasts for maybe an hour.
mircea_popescu: maybe.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: either a 'loose lips' or - more likely - ancient disinfo reworked for www << that.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes explain teh "Red queen" reference ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: evolutionary race thing
ben_vulpes: peacock feathers, gate sizes
mircea_popescu: van velen ?
mircea_popescu: ie, "gotta do all the running you can just to stay put" thing ?
ben_vulpes: yeah, that.
ben_vulpes: niche exhaustion.
mircea_popescu: yeah ok.
mircea_popescu: brendafdez :I could be running some shady business there instead... << wut ?!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00043382 = 2.1257 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: either this chick has the most bizarre sense of humor that also happens to not translate well, or else she's insane.
mircea_popescu: brendafdez: I was wondering if the Wordpress pingback DDoS is still an issue << it was never fixed. they just "Refactored" the code to preserve all th bugs but break people's ability to find them. someone in the comment section did the work and identified the new form of the ancient bug.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2015#1023470 << i bashed it. and some earlier thing. this log rocked LOL
assbot: Logged on 18-02-2015 14:19:21; ben_vulpes: that's like the second eyeroll i've had cuz of irc in 5 minutes
ben_vulpes: i kinda stopped watching the bash when my great bashes all got flushed
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2015#1023516 << i don't uinderstand... why making a statementy and signing it with the key in question is no good ?
assbot: Logged on 18-02-2015 14:31:41; danielpbarron: stupid github thinks i'm not human; i figured gpg to asswot should be enough proof
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes aww which !?
ben_vulpes: gpg rules everything around me, for one
ben_vulpes: excellent wu tang reference
ben_vulpes: no wait
ben_vulpes: hashes rule everything around me?
ben_vulpes: i dunno
ben_vulpes: it was in the bash at one point
kakobrekla: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=16
assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash ... ( http://bit.ly/1BmgkQC )
ben_vulpes: ah shit old times
mircea_popescu: derp.
ben_vulpes: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=4 << see what's gone now?
assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash ... ( http://bit.ly/1BmgqYu )
mircea_popescu: wut ?
ben_vulpes: all the points.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: probably because the last thing i recall doing on github had something to do with making fun of gender pronouns << certainly.
mircea_popescu: because that's the libertard thinking, if anyone makes fun of his idiocy then therefore they may no longer exist
ben_vulpes: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=12 << baww lookit mike_c
assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash ... ( http://bit.ly/1BmgBml )
mircea_popescu: gotta preserve the stupid!
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes wouldja be happier if there was a rng added to the vote counts ? :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00042284 = 6.258 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: neh can't trust it
mike_c: ben_vulpes: that was when I was auctioning off options in channel. the good old days.
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: "And if some high official, such as the president, says zhe will use gender-neutral pronouns for zher own writing, and ask that those writing to zhim do so also, that would provide a powerful boost." << conversely, if some hehigh officialman such as the manpresidentguy fucked a dog^H^H^H bitch
mircea_popescu: that'd ALSO give a boost. especially to news at 11.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2015#1023575 << and zher rather than zhis is obviously because the argument isn't what it's being presented as, but something quite else entirely.
assbot: Logged on 18-02-2015 14:49:27; nubbins`: Save us from confusing grammar such as “everyone must have their books.” Make it instead “everyone must have zher books.” It then becomes clear that each person must have one’s own book and not the books of all the others. It is also shorter and less awkward than having to say “his or her” all the time.
Adlai: obligatory mention of Black Mirror, in case nobody has seen it yet
kakobrekla: anyway theres 20 bashes waiting for moderation if someone wants to give it a go..
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla whoever next complains gets saddled with doing it for a month ?
kakobrekla: that could be punishing the readers
mircea_popescu: anyway, what happens once mp refuses to fork english to make the pronoun blocks more inclusive ?
ben_vulpes: bring back the rota
mircea_popescu: do we have a english sell war ?
Adlai: english is dead, we're speaking freenode
Adlai: or asslish
mircea_popescu: no. this is the king's english.
kakobrekla: !b 2
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1QEV33A.txt )
mircea_popescu: they're speaking w/e the fuck it is.
kakobrekla: 21
kakobrekla: meh mp broked it
Adlai: guy walking down a hedge, hears chanting behind a gap - "twenty one! twenty one! twenty one!"
mircea_popescu: who the fuck seriously thinks the their in "everyone must have their books" could possibly mean "all the books"
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: it's a hobby << you and danielpbarron have a lot more in common than either of you realise.
mircea_popescu: plus the beard.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2015#1023592 << kinda easy when you have like, you know, an actual list of customers who are actually paying you. like... money.
assbot: Logged on 18-02-2015 14:53:13; ben_vulpes: http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2015/02/tech-leads-the-way/ << look, microshit beat facebutts!
mircea_popescu: it's a concept hard to zunderstand zfor zthe zretard zcrowd, however let us say it's "sort-of like likes", in that there's kind-of a limited supply.
mircea_popescu: btw, i bet you half a dead badger someone ejaculated on vs any trading card mythological beast that this entire z-ification of words is a ploy by some well connected (online) otaku to improve the scrabble board.
mircea_popescu: cause zhe is like all into scrabble and hates the lack of zwords so zhe made zsome.
mircea_popescu: nevermind that zenglish looks kinda like hungarian, and if he wanted zs for j and sz for sh he should just learn that instead of inventing "a new one".
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron btw, send me some pile of pogoplugs pics when you have a moment.
mircea_popescu: nubbins`:is anyone interested in donating a modicum of bandwidth to such a thing? << it's a kind-of stupid idea because a presynched chain is not verified.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2500 @ 0.00085 = 2.125 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: kinda tempted to buy like a hundred << do.
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: i guess no easy way to count << easy, like 60. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-02-2015#1004255
assbot: Logged on 03-02-2015 16:17:18; mircea_popescu: people keep derping about uh oh, 7k nodes. BULLSHIT. we're down from 270k to 61.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, this point may be worth a qntra ? not exactly news, per se, but certainly would be news to a large section of "community"
Adlai: !up thestringpuller
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: it was gpg rules everything around me GREAM...get the hashes crypto crypto crypto coin. iirc
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: yeah mircea_popescu found the bash and everything
ben_vulpes: crypto crypto coin /y'all/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2500 @ 0.00085 = 2.125 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: Ah just saw it.
thestringpuller: Wu Tang Cyrpto Financial.
mircea_popescu: "He has made an investment in up to 10k nodes that would be obsolete if Gavin pushes through his hard fork."
mircea_popescu: lmao wut.
thestringpuller: "you gotta diversify your crypto assets nigga"
mircea_popescu: dude, seriously, they need a lot better content, wtf.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00044046 = 6.2545 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ahh nice, caught up. alrighty, laters all!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9914 @ 0.0004445 = 4.4068 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16650 @ 0.00044466 = 7.4036 BTC [+] {2}
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/18/you-need-an-ambien-to-sleep-because-you-bought-the-trappings-of-power-instead-of-the-real-thing/
assbot: You need an Ambien to sleep because you bought the trappings of power instead of the real thing. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1G3b1V6 )
pete_dushenski: more waterfalia coming: "U.S. Marshals to auction off 50,000 bitcoins forfeited by Silk Road founder - Reuters"
mike_c: they've sold what, 80k so far?
pete_dushenski: and alan "not a us agent" silbert is already pleading ignorance: "I don't recall- has the market ever gone down AFTER these auctions occur? B/c I don't think anybody buying at auction would dump them on mkt"
pete_dushenski: mike_c: sounds about right
pete_dushenski: fuckin eh this silbert guy thinks that he can avoid the fate of hearn and gavin
pete_dushenski: as if
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8107 @ 0.00041999 = 3.4049 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: height=200106 vs height=184384
danielpbarron: whenever i check in on these things, the solid state drive is usually busy processing new blocks, and the 5400 rpm pogo is busy discarding bogus data or whatever it does besides processing blocks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.0004449 = 10.4552 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: pete dooce
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14693 @ 0.00041881 = 6.1536 BTC [-] {2}
pete_dushenski: much better
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78439 @ 0.00041699 = 32.7083 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25100 @ 0.00041698 = 10.4662 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5556 @ 0.00042193 = 2.3442 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: !up mogreen
PeterL: just did a "digital job interview" with BASF, consisted of just recording a video of me answering the typical interview questions.
PeterL: what is the world coming to when you talk to a computer instead of a person when interviewing for a job?
jurov: the computer asked the questions?
lobbes: after one of my last interviews I almost would've preferred that; the dude was so dejected it was depressing
PeterL: yes, well, they were printed on the screen, and I talk into the camera to answer
PeterL: if the guy interviewing you is dejected, doesn't that tell you something about the company?
danielpbarron: job interview should better take place on irc
lobbes: exactly why I didn't take it lol
lobbes: which I guess you can't glean from a computer, so..
danielpbarron: they get to pretent they are important by making you apply with an automation
PeterL: a couple jobs ago, when I interviewed the guy grabbed a random coworker and asked "don't you like working here", they were like "ummmmmmm, sure?" that should have been a sign, but I took job anyway
PeterL: and I hate the question "how much did your last job pay, and what do you expect to get paid"? Are they going to throw out my resume if I say too high a number? Obviously they won't go above the number I say, right?
PeterL: "I made X before, but I expect to be paid 2X (and I would take the job if you offer me 1/2 X)"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.QNTR] 22381 @ 0.00028529 = 6.3851 BTC [+]
trinque: PeterL: "I would prefer to hear your offer and work from there."
trinque: that question is effectively "please sell yourself short so I don't have to"
PeterL: oh, and their website requires flash, which is no longer supports Linux systems or MacOS < 10.6, bleh (I ended up using my smartphone instead)
trinque: anyone have a fast node I can give deedbot btcd? it's got about a month left of catching up
trinque: danielpbarron: ? ^
danielpbarron: uh idk if mine is "fast"
danielpbarron: runs off a home internet connection
trinque: danielpbarron: k
danielpbarron: and in my experience, directly connecting to a node takes longer than just letting it discover peers, even when the direct connect is on the local area network
trinque: it seems to have one it likes atm
trinque: I'll just let it run unless anyone has a suggestion on how to make it hurry up
danielpbarron: although my experience in that regard is limited to pogo->pogo
danielpbarron: the bottleneck there is probably not ethernet speed
trinque: probably disk IO eh?
danielpbarron: well yeah disk IO is the bottleneck for one syncing with the network; i think it's another matter when one is trying to seed *while* still syncing
danielpbarron: maybe also disk IO
danielpbarron: i was hoping to conserve bandwidth by having one feed the other, but it just slowed them down
trinque: I'm running at about a block every 45sec to 1:30 on 339018
danielpbarron: sounds about right
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/usms-announce-yet-another-bitcoin-auction/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5931 @ 0.00042193 = 2.5025 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3519 @ 0.00042678 = 1.5018 BTC [+]
cazalla: going back to the circle selfie request from earlier, wonder how much of this they get https://www.reddit.com/comments/2wai34/slug/cop45k9
assbot: murzika comments on We Deserve A Better Bitcoin Experience Than Circle ... ( http://bit.ly/1vXUXUf )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.00043936 = 1.6037 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00042356 = 2.7531 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00042356 = 2.2872 BTC [-]
mod6: ;;calc 1000000000000000/13853000
gribble: 72186529.9935
mod6: ;;calc 50000000000000/72186529.99
gribble: 692650.000034
mod6: so given 1qd dollars, 50tn would be ~700k btc
mod6: 1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20974 @ 0.00043936 = 9.2151 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00043257 = 8.4784 BTC [-] {2}
jurov got compelled to check 1FundZy to check for anything interesting
jurov: no trillions, sadly
mod6: so apparently global wealth was ~$263Tn in 2014
mod6: ;;calc 263000000000000/13853000
gribble: 18985057.3883
mod6: ;;calc 50000000000000/18985057.3883
gribble: 2633650.19011
jurov: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?114020-Systemd-Gets-An-Fsck-Daemon-Service&p=472061#post472061 << lol a real cult
assbot: Systemd Gets An Fsck Daemon/Service - Page 2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1DDtQyx )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14524 @ 0.00043936 = 6.3813 BTC [+]
jurov: and all the incantations before it
jurov: "any number of small independent problems can be solved by one complex interdependent solution"
jurov: inb4 "Our SystemD in the clouds, hallowed be zer name, zer kingdom cometh...
mod6: one turd to rule them all...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53500 @ 0.00041842 = 22.3855 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28012 @ 0.00042308 = 11.8513 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23838 @ 0.00043985 = 10.4851 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00041577 = 11.6 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7074 @ 0.00043714 = 3.0923 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00043764 = 2.2757 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00043764 = 3.6324 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21050 @ 0.00043764 = 9.2123 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you could use a conductor with dielectric masks << l0l!! not invertible, think for halfaminute
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5564 @ 0.00044119 = 2.4548 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: you can't draw a circuit on a sheet of copper with nonconductive glue either...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10177 @ 0.00044483 = 4.527 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ... making something like a z80, as long as it can be made at home, with equipment costing about what a z80 cost << absolutely. but it is important to understand that a z80 (or even intel 4004) is far, far closer to the 'pentium' than to anything that has ever been built entirely at home from discretes
asciilifeform: jurov: ... say it takes 10 cycles per average instruction, at 8MHz, ecdsa is about 500k steps << memory is by far the more merciless constraint
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4359 @ 0.0004471 = 1.9489 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: it isn't a question of 'takes longer', but of simply-never-happens
asciilifeform: jurov: z80 is closer to teletype than to any modern cpu << again nope. here's a suggested exercise for everyone: take the z80 (find a die shot or whatever) and zoom it out to make the transistors discrete. how much physical space will this occupy? how many tonnes of copper wire? how many hundreds kWatt of power used? for chillers?
asciilifeform: you get, more or less, an early '60s mainframe..
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ...to reconstruct the universe of people who made and played those, and their thoughts << here i am, lol
asciilifeform: 'if wish were horse' etc
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> jurov: z80 is closer to teletype than to any modern cpu << again nope. here's a suggested exercise for everyone: take the z80 (find a die shot or whatever) and zoom it out to make the transistors discrete. how much physical space will this occupy? how many tonnes of copper wire? how many hundreds kWatt of power used? for chillers? << Sometime in 2013 on Tardstalk to celebrate advent of the "ASIC Age" I drunkenly pr
BingoBoingo: oposed Burning Man style festival centered around 1 Acre "ASIC" with a goal of at least 1 h/s. Gained insufficient traction.
BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2wcmii/i_just_burnt_056_btc/copmcwl
assbot: _whitenoise comments on I just burnt 0.56 btc ... ( http://bit.ly/19yWZje )
asciilifeform: i don't get this.
asciilifeform: if i lost xx btc by tripping over a cord, or the like, last thing i'd think to do is to publicly 'brag'
asciilifeform: do these folks have sense of shame wire crossed with something ?
BingoBoingo: I was more loling at libertard reddit suggesting the rice trick attracts azns to fix the phone. But yes. Clumsy then toasting phone then bragging suggests compiled in the womb without the -SHAME flag set
BingoBoingo: <trinque> I'm running at about a block every 45sec to 1:30 on 339018 << Are you really sure you want to be using btcd instead of bitcoind then? November 2013 was the most brutal month I've sync'd so far this round and no where near that bad on this wimpy machine
asciilifeform: http://marc.info/?l=classiccmp&m=104957136420897&w=2 << re: z80 thread
assbot: 'Re: How many transistors in the 6502 processor?' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1yZBq05 )
asciilifeform: http://www.cpu-collection.de/?tn=0&l0=co&l1=Zilog&l2=Z80#Z80A8400W2NA
assbot: cpu-collection.de >> Zilog >> Z80 ... ( http://bit.ly/19yZZMH )
asciilifeform: ^ has others
asciilifeform: another thing to remember is path delays...
asciilifeform: http://www.pdp8.net/straight8/functional_restore.shtml << pdp-8 made of discrete transistors in the first model. note the details:
asciilifeform: 'The backplanes contain 230 cards, approximately 10,148 diodes, 1409 transistors, 5615 resistors, and 1674 capacitors. Cards only used for interconnect were not counted.'
asciilifeform: last thing i'll say about this for now is that it is a grave mistake to rebuild these starvation-camp machines as 'dawn of year zero.' these impossibly cramped programmable calculators are how we ended up with a braindamaged computing stack in the first place
asciilifeform: and yes, unix is pretty good for a pdp-8, but unix is ultimately braindamaged when compared to what is possible.
asciilifeform: (other thing about pdp-8 - ferrite bead 'core' memory. what is one to substitute for it, if avoiding modern ic?)
BingoBoingo: Obligatory task that could be more distasteful than pdp-8 reversion http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2008/04/08/fun_with_tunichromes.php
assbot: Fun With Tunichromes. In the Pipeline: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yZDANw )
asciilifeform: ^ wtf. that doesn't sound unpleasant at all.
asciilifeform: not compared to what i do for a living at any rate.
asciilifeform: and who among us (other than possibly mircea_popescu) would not rather do something involving a pdp-8 than what they did today.
mircea_popescu: i was out all day what!
asciilifeform was also out all day, and is about to be out some more, is tired
trinque: BingoBoingo: well I'd expect nov '13 to be easier than jan '15 right?
trinque: er dec '14
trinque: strike that again, it's on january now
BingoBoingo: trinque: Well I was off by 100,00 blocks, but looking at the blocksize chart it is really hard to say.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> and who among us (other than possibly mircea_popescu) would not rather do something involving a pdp-8 than what they did today. << I was more concerned with the 'actual' smells.
BingoBoingo: Could you imagine if the pdp-8 got full of ocelot dander?
BingoBoingo: trinque: But some months are much slower than the ones that follow. November 2013 sucked. December 2013 zipping by.
mike_c: BingoBoingo: i lol'd. for real.
mike_c: (rice trick)
BingoBoingo: mike_c: I'm just impressed reddit lol's so much
mike_c: yeah, that was an actual funny joke.
BingoBoingo: And then there's the lol at the lol
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decimation: mircea_popescu: "what he is saying is, "you can not give me an unbounded task and then expect me to reason about it. you already set the tone as metaphysical by your task description"" < aye, and he should have said "I cannot accomplish that which you desire"
mircea_popescu: yeah well, he's being polite.
decimation: "o, you don't have 50 trn ? fuck you, we're making soap. next." < http://www.usdebtclock.org/ $185k per person
assbot: U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7KDtU )
decimation: per citizen that is
decimation: that should be the bar for voting - if you don't have your $185k, you can't vote, because you are literally a bum
BingoBoingo: decimation> that should be the bar for voting - if you don't have your $185k, you can't vote, because you are literally a bum << Maybe there should be trophies for certain people who inflicted directly and personally more than that damage on the fiat system without being politicos?
BingoBoingo: i.e. Actual bum on the street who racks up 15 millions in US deficit via ER frequent flying gets a trophy.
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BingoBoingo: lesser lol https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2wd2l1/til_freebsd_takes_bitcoin_donations/
assbot: TIL FreeBSD takes Bitcoin Donations. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7NEL0 )
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitstein i thought chomsky had pretty much the best points.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: OMG mircea_popescu and chomsky sitting in a tree s-o-d-o M I E
mircea_popescu: lmao
BingoBoingo: What's blood has an adequate protein/lipid/water ratio to be an adequate lubriacant.
BingoBoingo warns he is going though routine maintenance cycle atm. Drinking away Sunday-Tuesdays's odometer related existential crysis.
BingoBoingo: Also... Reddit is rejecting-ish MUltisig
BingoBoingo: At this moment I am convinced that even in the absence of a crypto exploit for multisig the PR campaign persists to standardize a set of worst practices as "ISO"
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 30?
asciilifeform: if you don't have your $185k, you can't vote, because you are literally a bum << i've never seen, felt, smelled, 185k and don't expect to live to
asciilifeform: then again, also don't need voting for anything in particular
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: 29! Dangerously close to 30.
asciilifeform: aha assumed 30 or the like given 'odometer rolled'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: lesser number roll too.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i spent my 30th bday last yr populating v1 rng (x4) under stereomicroscope. whatever you did had to beat that.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I went thorugh collenge notebooks stiking out entire years as total losses.
asciilifeform: total losses how ?
mircea_popescu: no chicks
BingoBoingo: Early freshman year of college I was playing with slowaris and FreeBSD as serious computing solutions. Six years later I was contemplating upnade to windows 8 taken classes in VB.net for web applications because library school.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Plenty of chicks for 4 of six years.
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asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: how does library school lead to forced winblows ?
asciilifeform: (i can see how, e.g., engineering school might)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Web app development exercises
BingoBoingo: ANd earlier in undergrad orders to stop submitting hmework as beautifully printed Latex
BingoBoingo: Other library school particular onstacle to windows exodus is catalogging class with OCLC turd
BingoBoingo: Instructor was not very happy in cataloging class when I suggested I turn in my homework on cassette tape as it resembles the media most that MARC was made for.
BingoBoingo: I have yet to determine though whether "web application development" or "introduction to cataloguing" was worse for the soul.
BingoBoingo: !up OneFixt
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: How else do you disarm a population than by feedint its replacements shit and making them love it?
asciilifeform: really loved 'visual basic' ?
BingoBoingo: HATED, loathed. But it was the lingua class.
BingoBoingo: VB to MSSQL MADE ME FEEL like a polish jew
ben_vulpes: salud folks
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: yo foxy.
ben_vulpes: ca va
ben_vulpes: this healthcare thing is a shitshow but i think i found the hack
ben_vulpes: 440/mo for 2
ben_vulpes: max out of pocket (as if that can be trusted): 6k
ben_vulpes: max hsa contribution for 2: 6k
mircea_popescu: welcome mr joe stack v2.0
ben_vulpes: haw no you see i'm the broker in these relationships
mircea_popescu: aok
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: You are they guy who doesn't realize he isn't even shoveling coal
mircea_popescu: come to b-a to share your tax shelter glory, leave a sad, broken man.
BingoBoingo: !b 1
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ben_vulpes: this is the one small win in my life
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ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-02-2015#1022104
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2015 06:15:04; ben_vulpes: 'fyiad' << worst part about living here is the misery endured to scrape food credits together
ben_vulpes: i do, i am.
ben_vulpes: some day i may yet escape.
mircea_popescu: PeterL: and I hate the question "how much did your last job pay, and what do you expect to get paid"? << "A lot of money, and I am open for an excellent offer."
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: that's a hack?! lol
ben_vulpes: best hole i've found yet.
ben_vulpes: i'm not really working too hard at it, tbh.
ben_vulpes: easier to drive incomes up than expenses down.
ben_vulpes: hard lower bounds etc
BingoBoingo: ;; later tell PeterL : <mircea_popescu> PeterL: and I hate the question "how much did your last job pay, and what do you expect to get paid"? << "A lot of money, and I am open for an excellent offer." << Sigma charges $336/gram for blow... get in on that shit.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: jurov: "any number of small independent problems can be solved by one complex interdependent solution" << basic retard motto. "solve everything throiug the group yo! socialism ftw!"
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> easier to drive incomes up than expenses down. << You would be surprised
mircea_popescu: he's got a woman.
ben_vulpes: and a dog.
ben_vulpes: and you know...
ben_vulpes: plans
ben_vulpes: fuck this country.
ben_vulpes: give it three years i won't be able to get the hypothetical children on a plane because the measles risk from unvaccinated retards is too high.
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asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: P(meeting with unvaccinated retard) * P(kid's vaccine failed to take)
asciilifeform: well, unvaccinated infected retard
ben_vulpes: factor for kids 1..i?
ben_vulpes: i suppose loss cost goes down as a function of herd size
ben_vulpes: risk of bad time = Σ Pr * Pvfi, i=1..n
ben_vulpes: i've forgotten all of my probability mafs.
decimation: ben_vulpes: yeah the high deductible/hsa hack is a good deal
decimation: hsas are generally very good tax shelters
ben_vulpes: i plan to burn the whole thing down this year.
decimation: my company has 10k deductible, 6k hsa contribution, and 4k 'hra'
decimation: was cheaper than 6k deductible
ben_vulpes: !up thestringpuller
ben_vulpes: bezzlenomics
decimation: yeah
ben_vulpes: i don't get it, nor do i want to.
ben_vulpes: sound money when.
decimation: 'hsa' is the only tax free money you can withdraw before retirement
danielpbarron is one of the unvaccinated retards
decimation: as long as you have a 'health expense'
hanbot: roth too.
decimation: danielpbarron: because of autism?
decimation: roth you can only withdraw contributions
danielpbarron: because of the uncomfortably high chance of acute brain infection leading to permanent damage
decimation: there are some who transfer traditional ira/401k to roth, and then withdraw the 'contributions' after 5 years
ben_vulpes: i need that liquidity, yo.
decimation: umm
danielpbarron: and a general distrust of anything medicine in the USSA
decimation: do you have a number for 'high chance'
danielpbarron: 1 in 10k or something
decimation: when the salk vaccine came out, it gave 40k people polio
decimation: and was still considered a miracle
mike_c: hm, maybe the acute brain infection will improve your situation
danielpbarron: i've got enough brain damage, thank you
hanbot: !b 2
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BingoBoingo: Serious gambling talk though. Greater than 1:100 odds unvaccinated against measles kids are going to get brain damage. Encephalitis is a bitch.
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hanbot: oh get out.
hanbot: where are the 11 billion encephalitis cases 1850-1950?
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BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> fuck this country. << Pls tell me you have a Mosin
hanbot: ;;google measles party
gribble: Marin mom lashes back at 'measles party' media furor - SFGate: <http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Marin-mom-lashes-out-at-measles-party-media-6078083.php>; Pox party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pox_party>; Do Not Bring Your Kids To 'Measles Parties,' Doctors Warn: <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/11/measles-parties-warning_n_6658232.html>
trinque: BingoBoingo: I have; he can head this way when tshtf
BingoBoingo: <hanbot> oh get out. << Chickenpox, fuck it. Measles, I'll take a 25% return on bitches knocked up
BingoBoingo: <decimation> when the salk vaccine came out, it gave 40k people polio << k vs M situation
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danielpbarron: mass vaccination is like the systemd of medicine. >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2015#1024081
assbot: Logged on 18-02-2015 23:58:45; jurov: "any number of small independent problems can be solved by one complex interdependent solution"
BingoBoingo: <danielpbarron> because of the uncomfortably high chance of acute brain infection leading to permanent damage << Why I don't get measles chickenpox comparisons "But they both itch"
mircea_popescu: fwiw, measles vaccine is usually useful and effectual.
mircea_popescu: it's bs like zona zooster and flu "vaccine" that ruin the otherwise reasonable shit for everyone.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> it's bs like zona zooster and flu "vaccine" that ruin the otherwise reasonable shit for everyone. << That
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danielpbarron: fwiw i probably have all the vaccines you guys are harping about; my parents don't share my views in this regard
mircea_popescu: now people won't get polio vaccine because "vaccines are bad". dumb shit like that.
BingoBoingo: MMR great, live microwaved polio great. Herpes Zoster... prolly still getting Tony Larussa Shingles
mircea_popescu: the other thing is, they give vaccines to 2 hour olds, which is also fucking dumb.
mike_c: not most of them
mike_c: which is one reason herd protection is important, which is why danielpbarron is trying to kill my children.
BingoBoingo: !b 3
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danielpbarron: i don't buy that at all; if your kid has the stupid thing then he should be safe
BingoBoingo: My position in this is that unidentified proteins must be assumed evil.
trinque: two generations out of a high child mortality rate and people think they're bulletproof
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/your-disk-controller-and-you/ << Prolly the best qntra so far. Imminently applicable to bio chamistry
assbot: Your Disk Controller and You | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQov6k )
danielpbarron: i think a better solution is to hide sick people away, checking in on them every week and not letting them return to society until the illness is gone
mike_c: the vaccine isn't 100%. i'm not that crazy about it though. i figure a few more outbreaks and this no-vaccince fad will go away quickly.
mike_c: people will stop taking medical advice from jenny whats-her-name
BingoBoingo: <danielpbarron> i think a better solution is to hide sick people away, checking in on them every week and not letting them return to society until the illness is gone << You forget water is one dirty bitch
danielpbarron: hide them in the desert
danielpbarron: "but i have a right to go shopping even when i'm contagious!"
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BingoBoingo: I have a right to kill all with fire
BingoBoingo: Rights is exactly the wrong argument here
asciilifeform: the funny part is that it is mostly the children of the less-poor (california, clustered around enclaves of mega-bezzle) who are dropping
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the funny part is that it is mostly the children of the less-poor (california, clustered around enclaves of mega-bezzle) who are dropping << This part, also vermont which threatens dpb directly
danielpbarron: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+13&version=NKJV
assbot: Leviticus 13 NKJV - The Law Concerning Leprosy - And the - Bible Gateway ... ( http://bit.ly/19zCCmd )
mike_c: <+BingoBoingo> http://qntra.net/2015/02/your-disk-controller-and-you/ << Prolly the best qntra so far. << I agree. awesome article asciilifeform.
assbot: Your Disk Controller and You | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/19zCP8X )
asciilifeform: glad somebody got something out of it
asciilifeform: it was actually missing most of its intended 2nd half
asciilifeform: because i simply got tired and started to fall asleep.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Qntra is always open to 1st half rants from you
decimation: http://www.wired.com/2015/02/tech-companies-and-vaccines/ << google and cisco day cares have less than 70% rate
assbot: The Sickeningly Low Vaccination Rates at Silicon Valley Day Cares | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/19zDaIH )
asciilifeform: wrote it specifically because BingoBoingo asked
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: And the result is still unparalleled in the tech press
asciilifeform: to go with the plague thread - it was meant to be a summary, of sorts, of the pathology;
asciilifeform: but ended up being 'don't play with rotting corpses in the streets'
decimation: I would bet that if you asked the parents of the non-vaccinated, they would say that they want to 'prevent autism'
BingoBoingo: Pathology threads are generally best threads
BingoBoingo: <decimation> I would bet that if you asked the parents of the non-vaccinated, they would say that they want to 'prevent autism' << For a period of time my parents thought they autism'd me with vaccines
decimation: perhaps 'geek parents' having children at >35 has something to do with the autism rates
BingoBoingo: Perhaps, also could be an overextension of labels
decimation: yeah 'overdiagnosis' is probably a problem too
BingoBoingo: I tend towards much of the "diagnosis" that begets pathology not being such at all
decimation: well, as has been covered by tlp, there is much profit to be made in labeling pathologies
BingoBoingo: Or labeling not-pathologies
decimation: aye
mike_c: ;;later tell mircea_popescu you might as well put my name on the wot job. looks like i'm doing it.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
decimation: if I were a psychiatrist I would be all about treating 'needy' suburbanites rather than being part of the urban internal security service
mircea_popescu: mike_c aite.
asciilifeform: decimation: even if napoleon wrote that 'every soldier's knapsack must contain a fieldmarshall's baton', not everyone can be fieldmarshal
asciilifeform: someone - gets to be urban shrink
mircea_popescu: mike_c done!
mircea_popescu: decimation you gotta talk their language tho, which dirties the soul.
decimation: asciilifeform: true. it would pay for daily bread anyway
BingoBoingo: I'm still jsut amazed by the difference between 8 yo scared of other people and labeled autistm-ish vs. HS lots of social connections constantly tired West nile and no one cares
decimation: mircea_popescu: yeah it would be depressing either way
decimation: there is a funny thing about 'professions'. if you like to kill animals, being a vet is a great idea
decimation: if you like hurting people, become a surgeon
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: you can't draw a circuit on a sheet of copper with nonconductive glue either... << don't oppress my genius! if you CUT the copper and the substrate is Conveniently Chosen (TM) it might work!
mircea_popescu: who are you to say what drunken future brings!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: funnily: diametric, i think, might be making a pcb this way as we speak
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> who are you to say what drunken future brings! << I'll volunteer to take point on this
asciilifeform: (milling away excess)
mircea_popescu: aha
asciilifeform: it is a fairly popular method for making small/simple pcb
decimation: there are a few cnc machines marketed for this purpose
asciilifeform: when you have a cnc mill but don't feel like screwing with photography
decimation: although I would not want to breathe the copper/fiberglass fumes
asciilifeform: decimation: milling's usually done in a specially-designated place regardless
BingoBoingo: <decimation> although I would not want to breathe the copper/fiberglass fumes << Better than cold sea sponge farts
decimation: hehe
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: 'if wish were horse' etc << if wish were whores they'd be hoarse for the horses ?
asciilifeform: whores for the horses.
decimation: re: milled pcb < I wonder if they would be a pain in the ass to solder
asciilifeform: decimation: no solder mask
decimation: nothing really beats 'solder mask' for that purpose
asciilifeform: so, as i said, very simple through-hole boards
decimation: yeah
BingoBoingo: "Soldier Mask"
asciilifeform when makes pcb at home, uses the ancestral method - like b&w photo
decimation: that honestly seems easier than milling
decimation: plus it really isn't all that toxic
asciilifeform: when lacking a cnc mill, definitely easier...
asciilifeform: variably toxic depending on your etchant
decimation: I suspect it yields finer geometry too
asciilifeform: now that is certain.
mircea_popescu: the phone in toaster guy is clearly shopping on the wrong silkroad clone.
asciilifeform: although some folks with uncommonly fine mills get similar result
decimation: 'uncommonly fine mill' would pay for much etchant
asciilifeform: usually it's folks who own a mill anyway.
decimation: I would be interested if you could feel a blank pcb and a pile of random parts into a machine, press the magic button, and pop out an assembled board
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: 'The backplanes contain 230 cards, approximately 10,148 diodes, 1409 transistors, 5615 resistors, and 1674 capacitors. Cards only used for interconnect were not counted.' << the important point is element miniaturization then vs now. at the time, 1k transistors > 100 lbs. today, 1k tranzistors < 1oz.
mircea_popescu: this is important for many reasons, it has cascade effect : shorter paths, less heat etc etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what transistor are you thinking of ?
mircea_popescu: a pdp could probably be cloned today by hand in a finite timespan, fit in box.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the 2 gram shits i had as a kid ?
asciilifeform: if it's of the kind one can individually hold in a hand, they are quite the same
asciilifeform: aha those
mircea_popescu: no they're not!
mircea_popescu: you kidding me, the thing had glass diodes.
decimation: if you allow logic gate ic's you could reduce the transistor count
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is thinking of soviet-style metal 'tin can' transistor as being used in the pdp, and is correct
mircea_popescu: but foir the sake of argument, made by hand from discrete semi parts.
BingoBoingo: PDP could be cloned in 1990 on Classic Game Boy
mircea_popescu: still they're 1k ligther today than in 1940
mircea_popescu: 1k times
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: we were considering discrete transistors
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as in, 'non-integrated' circuit
mircea_popescu: disintegrated circuit lol
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Indeed In am consiering diving boarda
BingoBoingo: *boards
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: one can get bare-die transistors
asciilifeform: is probably what one would use.
mircea_popescu: probably.
mircea_popescu: just sayin, you know ? could prolly be made in a box, if one felt like placing 100k items by hand. if he works 8 hours a day at this, it won't take 10 years.
asciilifeform: place the dies, obviously, robotically
BingoBoingo: File this in reasons I did not make a nubrub for my OBSD bitcoin-qt build
asciilifeform: (helps if there's some redundancy)
mircea_popescu: well die transistors autoplaced is prolly about on par with making yourself a 3d gun that works.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> well die transistors autoplaced is prolly about on par with making yourself a 3d gun that works. << Mosin, never lost to itself
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: arbitrarily fine placement is mainly a question of the guidance optics
mircea_popescu: or how many chinese girls one has.
asciilifeform: the mechanicals can be driven with astonishingly small steps, as is
mircea_popescu: but principally optics.
asciilifeform: folks routinely carry out 'surgeries' on single cells
asciilifeform: the equipment involved is scarcely even electric
asciilifeform: (led light, mainly)
decimation: asciilifeform: are you imagining a little array of naked die transistors, being bonded by a robot?
asciilifeform: and who has not heard of craftsmen 'horseshoeing the flea' etc
asciilifeform: decimation: i imagined it years ago
asciilifeform: but turns out other folks like to imagine it too
asciilifeform: if using products of existing industry, i'd use something like a 'GAL' (on bare die also)
asciilifeform: rather than naked transistor
decimation: it's kind like the 'punch-out' fpga we were discussing
asciilifeform: too small, gatewise, for enemy to meaningfully diddle
asciilifeform: or to conceal specs of
asciilifeform: but considerable step over transistor
BingoBoingo: alf finds this a mystery wonder why library school sucks
BingoBoingo: Short answer all the DB's are fucked
asciilifeform: but if 'playing fairly' and using the kind of semiconductors one could hope to produce in jungle workshop, you won't have identically-specced tileable bare dies either...
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> but if 'playing fairly' and using the kind of semiconductors one could hope to produce in jungle workshop, you won't have identically-specced tileable bare dies either... << One would rip and sell Gameboy and TI-86 ROMs
decimation: no, but if you could buy your dies at costco, the enemy would have trouble diddling
asciilifeform: decimation: a diddled die of 100 gates in a tiled matrix will do what, exactly ?
asciilifeform: fail when moon is full ?
decimation: heh yeah that's my point
asciilifeform: it cannot know where in the circuit it will be placed
mircea_popescu: ^
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mircea_popescu: this is a very importanrt point, alf made for qntra but generally gets neglected. "diddling" is a VERY assumptive operation.
mircea_popescu: sister to "jamming AN antenna"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i sat down originally to write the piece specifically about that
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: but somehow didn't
decimation: jamming AN antenna?
mircea_popescu: i say it, you say it, five people grok it and everyone else just whooosh.
mircea_popescu: decimation generally, as opposed to a speciffic one.
decimation: ah I see
asciilifeform: the ancient ru proverb re: 'for every sly arse, there's a threaded cock' is the relevant one
decimation: yes, the problem of 'jamming' arbitrary comms (unknown to the designer) is quite difficult
asciilifeform: the cock thread - has to match
mircea_popescu: and so is the problem of "diddling" in the general case.
asciilifeform: the thread-will-meet-the-arse-correctly-but-without-foreknowledge is called 'intelligence' and folks call any solution that calls for it 'ai-complete'
asciilifeform: which is possibly the only verdict more dire than 'np-complete'
asciilifeform: when you are discussing a particular bullet fired by the enemy, rather than enemy per se, you may safely assume that it is not intelligent, and thus is the cock of particular rather than universal thread.
asciilifeform: that's roughly it.
mircea_popescu: "The results were overwhelming: 88 percent of women reported having experienced at least one incident in which their friendliness was misinterpreted as sexual interest by a man, and on average it had occurred about 3.5 times in the last year alone. Men also reported experiencing sexual misperception, but the rate — 70.6 percent — was far lower. These rates were pretty similar to what was found in the original, U.S.
mircea_popescu: -based study, which found that around 90 percent of women reported that their friendliness had been misperceived at least once in their lifetimes, on average 2.7 times in the last year, with about 70 percent of men reporting having experienced this."
mircea_popescu: overwhelming my foot.
mircea_popescu: a) the difference is not even significantly above statistical noise ; b) significant fudge, such as, "women are more likely to self-flatter themselves this particular way" not accounted for in ANY manner.
mircea_popescu: how about asking men and women about how many cases they themselves witnessed involving OTHER people ?
mircea_popescu: but no, why make a study that makes sense but doesn't support our chosen policy nonsense.
decimation: that would be hard, and besides men are bad
mircea_popescu: hard my foot, ask the same people a useful question instead of a dumb one.
mircea_popescu: Sofia Lyons / nymag are dumb.
mircea_popescu: Mons Bendixen as well.
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: related dan mocsny - http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=VKvDDSaH
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AIztfF )
asciilifeform: (related how? in context - missing from archive - of that thread, he theorized that the behaviour spoken of therein was due to the 'misinterpreted' thing mentioned here)
mircea_popescu: "When a man sees another man he doesn’t know, there isn’t usually that studied indifference. If you look at the guy, he’ll look at you back, and it’s obvious from his body language that he knows you exist and you could talk to him if you wanted to."
mircea_popescu: my experience is exactly contrary to this, ftr.
mircea_popescu: women do what he claims men do, and vice-versa.
asciilifeform: might depend on where
mircea_popescu: "Obvious things like sports always work." fuck me sideways. i never did that yet.
asciilifeform lives where people behave roughly like mocsny described
mircea_popescu: odd.
mircea_popescu: because i lived around where you live.
decimation: yeah that's my experience too
mircea_popescu: "Go to a gym, for example, and see how few of the dozens of men and women there are actually talking to each other." who the fuck wants to talk to some guy in a gym wtf.
mircea_popescu: go to the sauna.
mircea_popescu: anyway, mocsiny should move to argentina. these derps have no fucking problem striking conversations with complete strangers that take any length of time in spite of not having any content.
asciilifeform: female derps?!
mircea_popescu: middle of the street ? fine. clerk and person in supermarket queue ? fine. fucking policeman will stop mid arrest and chat with the victim for half an hour.
mircea_popescu: gender indiscriminate.
asciilifeform: l0l
asciilifeform must see this
mircea_popescu: bus driver with person that just got on, that they never met before ? fuck traffic, they're only doing 60 mph in the middle of town in a sardine box.
mircea_popescu: what's that!
decimation: heh "People who enjoy going to stadiums and cheering on their sports heroes are feeding the monster which torments their genetically disadvantaged offspring." < so true

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