(trilema) ben_vulpes: the "dreamers"?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what has been "working" the ustards?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ty!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: gotcha
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what is манька ?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: how large was the sks dump?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i wonder how big that'll end up being
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: do ssh keys need any mangling to be digestable by phuctor?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: https://api.github.com/repositories << can start there
(trilema) ben_vulpes: (trip concludes)
(trilema) ben_vulpes: perhaps some time will free up after this expose-child-to-great-grandmother-in-flyover-states-before-she-exits-gracefully concludes
(trilema) ben_vulpes: github.com/<username>.keys
(trilema) ben_vulpes: one could also iterate over github usernames
(trilema) ben_vulpes: (dsantery)
(trilema) ben_vulpes: lately being, oh, my entire tenure on earth
(trilema) ben_vulpes: eg common lisp has grown a decent tumor of the shit lately
(trilema) ben_vulpes: shinohai: i don't know on what basis you think this is relevant to any particular programming language
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "easy" means "this shit is so complex it will take you a month to realize that it never worked in the first place"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "minimalist" means "i made an epic shitton of assumptions and then laid down a zillion lines of code in support of those assumptions"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and that is that if someone claims a software library to be "minimalist" or "easy", they are lying through their goddamn teeth
(trilema) ben_vulpes: one thing i know to be true in this world
(trilema) ben_vulpes: hyuuuu
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what gulag name will you use for this gig?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: nothing magical
(trilema) ben_vulpes: shat out an otp, successful decryption of which set a session on the user's browser.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: abortive tmsr~ ad network i build once upon a time
(trilema) ben_vulpes: session up
(trilema) ben_vulpes: omg not all at once davout
(trilema) ben_vulpes: (may be hard to not heckle)
(trilema) ben_vulpes: (also missed all of those talks, although i am looking forward to the bbatsov talk)
(trilema) ben_vulpes: phf: gotta eat
(trilema) ben_vulpes: product of the DoD
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i just saw something that looked a lot like CLOS in clojure
(trilema) ben_vulpes: cannot catch up at th' mo'
(trilema) ben_vulpes: aaa scrollback
(trilema) ben_vulpes: trinque: roger, will do
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the rare deadline about which i give a shit
(trilema) ben_vulpes: critiquing headshots on shartup websites
(trilema) ben_vulpes: fine way to spend a sleepless night
(trilema) ben_vulpes: that is not a flattering photo of ms riskin
(trilema) ben_vulpes: eeeeeyikes
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and just for lolz, let's see what this looks like in a plain text browser
(trilema) ben_vulpes: lol and lindsay anderson doesn't even give enough of a shit to put up anything other than a party pic
(trilema) ben_vulpes: there's always one beardo taking photos of the inside of his nostrils
(trilema) ben_vulpes: heh
(trilema) ben_vulpes idly browses faces on their website, looking for this 'shoulda'
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: the url shortener? 24/7?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: hoard those old macs while ye can
(trilema) ben_vulpes: wowee you dun say
(trilema) ben_vulpes: nop.png
(trilema) ben_vulpes: just give up on graphix
(trilema) ben_vulpes: should do it again, sans x11
(trilema) ben_vulpes: hey i got it running on an old macbook pro
(trilema) ben_vulpes: bsd works on everything
(trilema) ben_vulpes: run moar old hardware
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it is precisely the opposite of adaptive
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i really admire this nest of constraints you've put up, asciilifeform
(trilema) ben_vulpes: underwater welding!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: there's also the local amazon subsidiary
(trilema) ben_vulpes: software qua software is a mystery to me, asciilifeform.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: great testimonial though
(trilema) ben_vulpes: system works so well they never needed a hand afterwards
(trilema) ben_vulpes: hilariously overdelivered on that one
(trilema) ben_vulpes: documentation generation for a 747 retrofitter at one point
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: yes, human interaction. i'm a derpy american business-ish hustler who also does software as it pertains to the /businesses/.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: beats me! just answering the question.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: pays decently, if very volatile.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mod6: custom work is all i do.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mod6: every payment processor has their own interface. but as mentioned above, the tech is almost entirely ancillary to figuring out what needs doing and piping the data round.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it's the guiding them through the conversations with their auditor, department of revenue...
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and it's not the tags
(trilema) ben_vulpes: you think /i/ need help shitting out some tags?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: how would i know, why would i care
(trilema) ben_vulpes shurgs
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but /which bolt/
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: every payment processor has custom formage.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: or excel -> geosearch tools
(trilema) ben_vulpes: or, say, custom forms for donation-accepting nonprofits who need to collect additional data on the state's say-so.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: or, say, oauth integrations.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "yes, that falls in the set of things you can purchase here."
(trilema) ben_vulpes: not on its own, but as a necessary requisite.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and not positioning divs
(trilema) ben_vulpes: last i heard you were estimating algorthmic complexity of impossible cpp hairballs
(trilema) ben_vulpes: because motherfucking /tradeoffs/
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what about greater misery?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 4 10's, kegs in the corner, 20-hr weeks, philosophy instead of working, dollars...
(trilema) ben_vulpes: various knobs to turn based on worker proclivities, that's all.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it's work, it sucks.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: lol less loathsome
(trilema) ben_vulpes: try to eke out a few dollars here and there.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: do it with people who don't.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: whatever, life and work suck.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i still labor under the delusion that i'll crap out something someone like myself will find useful that will pay for me to relax a bit.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: other than that, hilariously inept at anything other than procuring usg dole or scaring innocent civilians with 'sekyoority' analysis
(trilema) ben_vulpes: nevermind what the 'correct by construction' flight controller will be used for.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "just want to do maf!"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: nice folks
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i would vastly rather shovel this shit in my own office with my hand-selected brothers and sisters in arms than travel sixty minutes each direction to work on the once-every-two-years cool multiphysics projects $semicorp has on offer or 1.25 hours for the opportunity to labor in a machine shop with men who think boats are a good investment
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but before this thread slips away
(trilema) ben_vulpes: just contracted us for another gig
(trilema) ben_vulpes: they are very nice gentlemen
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i have yet to find anything /less/ painful for webwork.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: aliebgruakisjbdfkahwebfqwejhfba,jhsdfba
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "well because how would map know how many arguments it takes?"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and then ask why
(trilema) ben_vulpes: you have no idea how miserable it is
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it is a miserably lazily implemented language.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but no, no error checking, compile-time inspection of funcall arity correctness, type management of any sort
(trilema) ben_vulpes: tentacles to wrap around the webstack today.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: a gun to fire today.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: a lips /alike/
(trilema) ben_vulpes: not even "a lisP"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it's an entirely adequate lisp-alike on the jvm for webshit
(trilema) ben_vulpes: one of the $leastbadlangs
(trilema) ben_vulpes: aha!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: in a sense. there's a $shitlang conference up there this weekend, and the meatwot has graciously coughed up some introductions.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'm beating the streets of seattle for more work all weekend, but i'll try.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: yeah, 1910
(trilema) ben_vulpes: same same ish tomorrow? might be hard.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i have an 0800 PST train
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what is that in pst?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: notrly, it haunts me as i go to sleep
(trilema) ben_vulpes: (a far cry from 'poc or gtfo', i know)
(trilema) ben_vulpes: not even partially baked, got distracted by 'necessary prerequisite'
(trilema) ben_vulpes: shits txen into mother postgres as they come down the pipe
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i have a pgbomination wired into trb somewhere in my working tree.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: very much yes i would rather stay with some kindly grandmother i've never met than the roach motel up the street.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: thinks i don't know how poorly this place is set up, haw
(trilema) ben_vulpes: which by the way i use regularly to great effect
(trilema) ben_vulpes: man that's derpy even for airbnb
(trilema) ben_vulpes: yes in progress that's why i bring it up
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the microshitification of linux will not be complete until ms ships a windows that also does all of the linux syscalls
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i liked that particular WAL
(trilema) ben_vulpes cackles madly back into the aws java sdk
(trilema) ben_vulpes: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: that's not how things work!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: shinohai: what'd the qntra angle be?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: also iirc copping to fradulent statements in securitization documents
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: didja see http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/15/business/dealbook/goldman-to-pay-5-billion-to-settle-claims-of-faulty-mortgages.html
(trilema) ben_vulpes: portland is about as squatter unfriendly as i've ever seen a city.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://www.wweek.com/2015/10/15/crowd-gathers-to-support-house-squatters-who-allegedly-partied-with-a-corpse/
(trilema) ben_vulpes: there've been a few squats around town, but with the recent explosion in dirt-demand, they're all getting shuttered and replaced with apartments.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ah.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: then who is selling it
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and not the property owners?!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the...city!?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: insane
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and not because people price their houses sanely, no. but because apparently all of california is moving here and will buy at any cost.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: even /less/ common.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: or it's 2010 and someone walked on a mortgage.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: or the place is a condemned dump.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: turnover ~2weeks, unless there's a full renovation in swing.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: tisn't how things work in my part of the world.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: weird
(trilema) ben_vulpes: > house stood empty for a few months
(trilema) ben_vulpes: phf: just gets cooler and cooler
(trilema) ben_vulpes: grandma?!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: chrome is now throwing up "dangerous site" pages for...torrent trackers.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what can i say, i muck stables for room and board.
(trilema) ben_vulpes shrugs
(trilema) ben_vulpes: not to mention your explicit hatred of what makes up the bulk of my work.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: more like "we don't make much over here, and you don't ride bikes, so i don't think this cult is for you"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: not a barb, asciilifeform
(trilema) ben_vulpes: SEX
(trilema) ben_vulpes: huh neet
(trilema) ben_vulpes: dun recall making an offer
(trilema) ben_vulpes: wow
(trilema) ben_vulpes: omg
(trilema) ben_vulpes: he looks a bit displeased
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/ << spot the bug
(trilema) ben_vulpes: https://www.facebook.com/Symbolics-Inc-509092289172342/ << treasure trove
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: will no doubt show up later and "young fool that sounds like the most miserable thing", and yes. we are young fools.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no screaming in the office, generally save that for the hill
(trilema) ben_vulpes: can't afford individual cubes for everyone, 'tis the best design we came up with.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: benefits: a) privacy. only the desk next to a given desk can really see what's on the screen. b) gotta be intentional about conversations, look around the monitors at each other.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: at the risk of giving too much of the secret sauce away, first floor of the office surface-level looks like one of those "open plan" offices. except that desks are arranged around the perimeter, with monitors pointed out
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but hey, enough like home that the memory should fade one day
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no kicks this time tho
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mhm
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ada's not a decent mill?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://www.antiqbuyer.com/images/2012-ARCHIVE-2/IMG_3663.jpg << how about a shitty lathe?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: trb is also a millstone, not a mill.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: afaict
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: ca. 2010 attempt at deep learning for content recommendation
(trilema) ben_vulpes: not that nicks mean anything i know i know
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: which nicks?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: now *those* were some choice luz.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: also, still waiting for tiberius to make it into btcbase
(trilema) ben_vulpes never entirely certain how much context to provide
(trilema) ben_vulpes: well yes!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: more like 16.5M, apparently.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-20#801402 << entirely unrelated, but fun/sad to see.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: another footnote to asciilifeform's trope about how little software is written off-the-clock
(trilema) ben_vulpes: https://angel.co/prismatic << 2 nerds raise ~20m to write lispalikes on the jvm. build consumer facing content curation apps. write a megatonne of highly useful, open source software. fail to pivot to enterprise once the consumer play is obviously not panning out, fold up shop.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: simply a radical departure from surface-level form!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: (phf: mega thanks for the inline loggurgitation)
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i am having a hard time with a republican selection of a tool written after i was born
(trilema) ben_vulpes: waybad.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i started reading through it a year and a half ago when i committed to excising appleware from the house
(trilema) ben_vulpes: shinohai: owncloud is a miserable piece of garbage
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: how d'you figure re adlai ?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/02/24/federal-food-stamp-fraud-charges-could-topple-warren-jeffss-flds-church-utahs-largest-polygamous-sect/ << latest and greatest re welfare
(trilema) ben_vulpes: slightly less time consuming than attempting to jump through the vault door, i suppose
(trilema) ben_vulpes: hey, they're in the meatwot!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: sure, right
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mwell, was nominating stan. wouldn'ta been averse to it myself.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: (b-dog, amusingly, a nickname of mine from the nineties)
(trilema) ben_vulpes: hire the beedawg?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: just outta curiosity, how were you going to run the thing?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/04/neutered-random-number-generator-let-man-rig-million-dollar-lotteries/ << run more dynamically-compiled mission-critical code!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mod6: i'll get you a dump later today
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i would *love* a copy of that
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i get basic auth request too
(trilema) ben_vulpes: much like the language in its explicitness.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: very very educational.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mod6: i have a trashy pdf copy of dodrill's 95 ada instructional material. lmk if you want a copy.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: 83 > 95?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: or if comments stayed in sync with code or something?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: man, wouldn't it be neat if CBlockIndex weren't actually a "tree-shaped structure"?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: > a decision has been made
(trilema) ben_vulpes: heee
(trilema) ben_vulpes: output of which...still suxx.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i don't...just pointing out the hoops poor d00d had to jump through in order to publish the thing.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: more so here
(trilema) ben_vulpes: this is all immaterial. i don't disagree that it's a nifty "all in 1".
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: try rotating to landscape
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "spreading"!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: this is /precisely/ that of which i complain
(trilema) ben_vulpes has been reading through it on the mobi term for dayz, but...miserable css makes mobrowser shit itself
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "random walk" has some /miserable/ css.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: for lo, trinque labors over the unicode
(trilema) ben_vulpes: lol
(trilema) ben_vulpes: sorry phf i only respond to un-prefixed commands
(trilema) ben_vulpes reconvenes
(trilema) ben_vulpes unconvenes
(trilema) ben_vulpes: php bot never wronged me like this
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-07#1447504 << this is patently false
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-07#1447437 << that someone would use clojure for any kind of scripting activity is hilarious, as startup time measures in integer seconds
(trilema) ben_vulpes: keep running into the most inane shit getting it running tho
(trilema) ben_vulpes: trains, bikes, conferences, may even have some sort of conversation piece done at that point
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mhm
(trilema) ben_vulpes: going up to clojure/west to acquire a few more problems
(trilema) ben_vulpes: NO CLIENTS NO PROBLEMS
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i've been wondering where that patch got off to
(trilema) ben_vulpes: dope
(trilema) ben_vulpes: heh heh heh heh
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what was it, max dynamicism vs max strictness