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(trilema) diana_coman: because of 2.7 etc
(trilema) diana_coman: but anyway by now my notes are a full novel
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: yum, yes
(trilema) diana_coman: he's on gentoo so it should be more similar to your env/packages/versions though
(trilema) diana_coman: well, by now it seems to me that either ALL match, or otherwise headache; and I suspect that at the next level it's simply either same repo/distro or won't match
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: thanks; and yes, the .ext.cache trouble seems to be re v 0. or 1., ugh
(trilema) diana_coman: the full list of stuff pulled in by flask seems to be: flask Werkzeug itsdangerous Jinja2 MarkupSafe
(trilema) diana_coman: postgresql is 9.6
(trilema) diana_coman: I have python 2.7.16 flask 1.1.1 and werkzeug 0.15.5 from what I see and the reader.py fails complaining that there is no flask.ext.cache , which seems to be again some version-shenanigans
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: mind giving the exact versions for flask, werkzeug and whatever other shit is used in there?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: different yes but not better; it's usually touch-screens that they throw at kids from nursery, yes; + "learning to program by click-and-cluck"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: heh, eulora can be quite addictive but on the bright side, it is made to NOT require constant supervision; i.e. more thinking than clicking.
(trilema) diana_coman: well, and postgres
(trilema) diana_coman: aha, initially I though it required wsgi
(trilema) diana_coman: ah, shall see; *if* the bot runs at all, that is.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: what's the easiest coupling if they run on same machine anywya?
(trilema) diana_coman: maybe that's also the "wrong" version...
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: apache so far is working, what can I say
(trilema) diana_coman: well, I have at least fully explored the 1-strand spittoon: psycopg2 on python 2.7 wants postgresql 9 or greater and so it goes.
(trilema) diana_coman: myeah, I quietly barfed in my notes re flask before but this time it just spilled in here.
(trilema) diana_coman: I think I got a boatload of the good intentions part.
(trilema) diana_coman: to cite from flask's description, for full allergy-triggers: A micro-framework for Python based on Werkzeug, Jinja 2 and good intentions
(trilema) diana_coman: for clarity re python 2.6 it's quite clear that it's not worth it - all sorts of breakings in flask & co really.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: and I think it was the best option available, yes.
(trilema) diana_coman: myeah; in case it's not clear - none of the above was a complaint re asciilifeform's work at all.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: the main q is: in wtf exactly
(trilema) diana_coman: well yes, I'd rather ditch python alltogether.
(trilema) diana_coman: ah, yes, I'm sure 2.6ism would break 2.7, it's more this "fun" of code reuse; and I can ofc install python 2.7 on top; I seriously wonder though what's really the fastest route; because also, above it doesn't even seem to be print, it barfs when importing flask, a few layers deep in werkzeug and whatever
(trilema) diana_coman: centos 6; because gentoo problem as you just described + the poor moldavian guys anyway pretty much @kukuruz
(trilema) diana_coman: that flask thing gives me the hives
(trilema) diana_coman: if it's only that...
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: the extension pg_trgm thingies does exist; it's the loading that is different
(trilema) diana_coman: anyways, back to twisting its arms.
(trilema) diana_coman: create extension was introduced in 9; so earlier versions will puke there.
(trilema) diana_coman: aha, precisely
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: myeah, 8 here; and no "create extension" so had to change the scripts to load the thing
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, lobbes fwiw I'm having additional fun due to older versions of postgresql (and last time I used any postgresql was > 12 years ago + never digged it all that much, ffs)
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: in your logbot readme: shouldn't it be create database nsalog; instead of createdb? at least my postgres chokes on createdb under psql
(ossasepia) diana_coman: heh, nostalgia trip; I remember even more vividly the sense of wonder at various stages/changes; and the sound of those casette-games loading, lolz.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: lol; did you still catch casettes too?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: ref re air-gapping and some starter on the "how to secure" : http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-airgap-a-practical-guide/
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and anyway, air-gapping is not by itself a "solution" or something
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that includes usb sticks or external drives)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: one one extreme, you'd generate and keep the private key on an air-gapped computer (i.e. never connected to the network, no wireless card on it and never connecting to it any device that was on the network
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: like all matters of security, it's a degrees one i.e. what specific compromise between convenience and safety you want to live with
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, you can use html then since you add the content anyway so add it with hooks (i.e. it's fixed anyway).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: "less is more" - you need to practice minimalism some more.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: do note you need the server-side one to make sure it's consistent across browsers though.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: eh, so if that happens, you have to keep the Updates section but make each line in there a link to the new stuff; the selection thing can work well for that I suppose
(ossasepia) diana_coman: if each update is a section anyway, you can even make without i.e. just add the date in the table of contents and be done with it
(ossasepia) diana_coman: if you prefer, just make the "Updates" links too, similar to the table of contents
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: don't start adding/branching/searching for something else again.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: as smallest change, just add the date/time at the top of each new bit, as you put it in.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: living document is fine but note that 1. that "Updates" section doesn't even *link* to where in the text the update is 2. you seem focused on writer efficiency even at the expense of reader efficiency; do you expect the reader to *memorize* or come back to that section each time or what?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-08-26#1000748 - especially awesome targets for fleecing, yes, it's a rather common dynamic between the poor and the paper-rich (printed paper made a lot of those in the west) when neither sides really fully gets what money is and how it works.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-08-26#1000751 - that's the clue that your interests and theirs do not align.
(ossasepia) diana_coman will be back tomorrow
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr_: does that make any sense to you?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but for just one distilled bit of a crucial part, read this short thread: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926660
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr_: re your "chasing the baseline" and the longer threads gently pulled at in all the above, there are lots of posts that you should gradually work your way to and will probably hit all sorts of nerves.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: re friend though, if his idea of a business involves a platform on godaddy, I'd advise to steer clear of it; not sure what "business head" that reflects either.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr_: as a rule if "do not know what to say" , the thing to do is to ...say that and ask for clarification re what the question is (or whatever it is that you don't get)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr_: re independence it's not really to do with your parents directly; it's how you position yourself in there mainly; and possibly the overall environment esp if it sucks you in/drags you down some ways.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr_: I think you should really answer this btw: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-20#1929779
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the "easily getting loans" though sounds more like a ...scam at base.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but for that matter, why not invite the friend to make himself a rsa key and get in the wot, anyway?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that sounds like the sort of thing that will eat you up entirely though, not exactly gaining your full independence but rather the very opposite of it
(ossasepia) diana_coman is refraining from overloading shrysr_ 's reading list, as each new reply pings another ref, really.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr_: ok, so what sort of place can you stomach? i.e. what is it that you *must* have? (for that matter: india should be quite cheap as living expenses esp if you can work remotely otherwise and get paid western salary, no?)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: "there are ppl on whom education is completely wasted" - certainly true; and not a little thing to have truly figured out for yourself, either.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: "is it that I want something that doesnt exist" - from what I saw of you so far I suspect it's something that exists but here, not there anymore; but the shape of what used to be is still there and at a superficial look passes (and claims to pass) for the real thing; it's a long thread this, you might want to come back to it at a later time for more.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: what is "baseline" for you exactly?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr_: is the current employment place paying too little for where you are or what's exactly the change you want? at least until last week it seemed to be comfortable in that it left you with plenty of time and energy to actually do the things that matter otherwise (and this is rarer than you might think)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, BingoBoingo here just upped and moved from the US to Uruguay to start an ISP, you know? It's not like you can get experience at running a business by being an employee; what you can get is connections but those are context-dependent i.e. connections with Microsoft won't help you here (and probably the other way around).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr_: re job in general, consider this - getting employed for a high salary means first of all that *they* have a higher claim to you (your time, your energy and you overall), that's all; it does *not* mean at all that you get to do interesting stuff or intelligently-stimulating environment or anything of the sort, not by or in itself; and moreover it doesn't mean something long-term either, a "career" or anything of the sort.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr_: out of curiosity: ever considered actually running your own business?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but more importantly, the trouble with "datasciencedreamjob" is that such a job is more likely to be a nightmare.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr_: I suspect that you see it as dumbed down (and I get what you mean) while they still feel punched in the nose with a ton of hard bricks
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr_: go ahead, I'll have a look.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: in between: looking in the logs I realised I never got to see that encrypted thing you pasted on some site; was there something important in there/do you want to resend it pasted on p.bvulpes.com so I actually get to see it?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: for that matter: what is it that you are actually looking for?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: just don't conflate the 2 basically; i.e. treat the learning as serious learning and the job-hunting as what it is - finding the salt-mine that still leaves you time and energy for learning while providing you with enough money to make it further.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr_: so make a list with the companies you are interested in; research each and see what they want; based on that you can then target specifically.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: oh boy, 2 pages in and already deja-vu; /me perseveres.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: knowing less but not wanting to put in the effort to actually know more, that's the rub.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: when you actually know your stuff, you are "throwing the curve" aka making it harder for those knowing less to pass as very important and so... they won't like you, of course.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: if, on the other hand, you want to learn statistics, that's very well but not necessarily correlated to getting a job, for the reason above.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr_: if you want to get employed by some company, you are probably better off figuring out the sort of talk they want to hear; sadly nowadays most "companies" are more about the talk than about the knowledge, hence a lot of your problems; they basically don't *want* you to know too much, it's too uncomfortable even
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, machine learning is an umbrella term for anything one wants really, from neural networks to backtracking prolog
(ossasepia) diana_coman: this "statistical learning" also sounds like "we had to invent something so here's the name we came up with"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hm, when I hear "practical", "chokefull of examples of when to use" and "without needing a background in Maths" it rather raises alarm bells but I'll have a look through it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr_: I just answered your comments on the blog but reading yours on data science it strikes me that you are in fact looking to acquire the basic (unknown/unclear to you, as yet) set of skills for data analysis?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr_: you might find it perhaps (and cheaper) as a 2nd hand copy; you don't need the latest edition anyway so...
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr_: I found it to be quite self-contained but do ping in here at least, if you find you still need something further anyway.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: mine is also 1997 iirc so I can confirm that's perfectly fine
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr_: re your _ at nick - that's probably your client's config i.e. you got disconnected at some point, your old nick was still "busy" and so it reconnected as shrysr_ (and/or maybe failed to identify with nickserv on time)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thanks asciilifeform
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr_: I know that predicament but can't say I found a solution to it other than just still accumulating the books needed and then on moving day either paying to move them too or ...buying them again at new location (if still in print etc).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: esp ref books I find most useful in hard copy anyway.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: fwiw I have the hardback simply; bought it online iirc (possibly at bookdepository)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr_: re book let me know if you really can't find it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it's not as much that it's "not working" - rather that it's not working *for* the one installing it on their site;
(ossasepia) diana_coman: re https, as asciilifeform and BingoBoingo said above; basically it's the type of thing that gives you the *impression* of security at the actual cost of exposing you to attacks that you are not even aware of (and making it even harder to protect yourself).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr_: you can actually find the pdf of the book if you must
(trilema) diana_coman: I just didn't expect it/plan it,lol; but precisely: why not; at least so far they have been very responsive, let's see how it works out.
(trilema) diana_coman: anyways, otherwise so far it would seem my logger will end up ...in Moldova
(trilema) diana_coman: they claim on the site that they have "other bunkers" ; now if those are not as much bunkers as ordinary dc...
(trilema) diana_coman: I did a log-search and couldn't find it; ah, I searched in new ones
(trilema) diana_coman: seems like an overkill for a logger but from all I can find about them I really like those guys www.cyberbunker.com/web/swat.php
(trilema) diana_coman: if only code were more denuding and batshit - everyone would want to read it!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr_: do me a favour and get rid of the https thing as it makes your blog inaccessible from anything other than my public-toilet computer so you're missing out on me commenting there.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and now we have a new money-word: is your money poof-proof?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that is probably the case i.e. not poof-proof
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr_: I hope you are not going to miss your deadline because of the convo here :D
(ossasepia) diana_coman: honestly, I'm not *that* interested to even ask; plenty of more useful things to do.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so quite possibly that's true; and yes iirc at least one was/is in palo alto; I have no idea where/in what lives with wife (microsoft too) + kids.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: I admit I never had the stomach to engage them *that* much; fwiw I couldn't stand them during uni precisely for the very same microsoft-is-great-no-matter-what brown nosing basicly so what can I say.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that being said, those microsoft-guys tend to complain re how kids are taught ("he's not stupid so he noticed how he can fool the test", "now I have to add X to teaching him at home too") but at the same time won't move because "there is nothing else that is just as intellectually interesting and paying such ridiculous amounts of money"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr_: heh, politeness indeed to the point of apologizing when it's not their fault, that much I know, yes.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: fwiw I have some former uni colleagues who work (predictably i.e. specifically aimed for and did everything and anything needed for it) at microsoft and have plenty of vacation and money; I'm ready to admit they are probably exceptions overall/few out of the total population ofc.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr_: how's then in New Jersey since I gather you actually know that part of the USA?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I suspect it's not happening anymore; that part is the oldest indeed and it was some 20 years ago already.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: can be; the 2nd hand experience was Texas though (petroleum industry).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hm, as I said: quite likely totally outdated; fwiw my experience did not involve almost any cn/in/kr/ex-sovok (or at least not obviously so, I never actually checked specifically); anyways, I can easily see it as current situation.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: fwiw by "interacted" I mean both over some years in Ro and otherwise abroad in various contexts; I suppose I count inevitably also the second-hand experience of my parents to some extent.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: I didn't count my reading of mark twain's as knowledge of the USA, lolz! I did see Boston and I did interact with quite a few americans some years ago - that part was what I counted as my "extremely limited" knowledge.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that strikes me as a very interesting reversal of the usual image of americans-as-most-enterprising-individuals; then again, my actual knowledge of USA has always been extremely limited (and by now it's probably also very outdated).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I suppose a different generation in the end, the difference stems more likely from there, simply.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, at least not oaks, I'd count them for having a better deal despite what it might seem otherwise.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: as I said: I know plenty of "no actual pension" but still happier to retire than to stay in there where they even perceived they simply don't ...belong.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: sure, see above
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I have to admit I have trouble picturing this "can't retire anymore", possibly because of my thoroughly european background that included plenty of old people on no pension to speak of (100 euros/month in the best case) and still perfectly retired; some giving piano lessons to live if needed, others eating the bit they could plant on some poor soil, but anyways)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: were the taxi drivers saner?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but anyway, if living dead already, there's nobody there to talk about anymore essentially.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: could at least retire though, in fairness, under pretty much any terms, from "you know best, it's your turn, let me be" to "don't want to have anything to do with you" and everything in between; not like 80 y.o. *has to* be part of shit.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: sure, if passive then no agency and no "likes", no argument there.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, retired, yes; but if "spark of life long ago departed" then there isn't all that much to talk about in the first place, what can one do.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: this sounds very much like "rezistenta prin cultura" to me#
(ossasepia) diana_coman: really now; and mouths to shout with also atrophied and arms to hit with also atrophied and on and on but somehow there is still something there to "not like it but suffer greatly"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dunno, there is no such thing as one-sided interaction; if they stay there, it quite follows they find it enjoyable enough, what can I say.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, they enjoyed tenure I suppose.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: 1001 models; iirc in France they even had 2 paths - one that included teaching and one that did not; I can't quite recall what they were called/ how did it work exactly but there was at least the option; then again, research grants and then "management" tend to eat a lot of "research" time anyway nowadays.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ah, hm; based on my limited experience I thought it was everywhere that deans changed every 4 years or whatever other intervals; guess not, huh.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ah, I got the impression he eschewed that, at least in part with precisely the above "excuse" .
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: hm, maybe because he was - even admitedly - the "purely theoretic" type? in his own words that I can still hear as such, for their contrast to the obvious knowledge of his domain otherwise : "I am disgracefully ignorant of the real life"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, I can't say there something I have to brag re above - if anything, a missed chance on my part.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: aha; although he was actually super-approachable and genuinely interested in connecting, I was in too much awe to do much other than *listen*.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hm, that is a different failure mode; fwiw I remember having C.A. Hoare as teacher at a summer school and he was already not exactly young but still more active and alive than a lot of way younger other academics.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: heh, I never was that famous :D ; and moreover I refused to even answer google's invite for interview (most probably sent to all phd students that had published at that conference or something).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: at least 10+ years ago when I was in it, there was *still* way more scope for "do what you want" than in most industry jobs but the higher one went up the hierarchy the less of it essentially and anyway meanwhile from what I saw it only got worse.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: nowadays academia is anyway just another bureaucracy really so not much "academia" left in it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr_: focus on doing the best work you are able to and don't worry about that sort of evaluation - that's my call and therefore not your worry anymore.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: as in my accepting to mentor you.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: actual needs, quite often different from "wants"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: "wrong" above means simply not fitting you/your *needs* at that moment.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr_: fwiw I don't think you had much struggle to get in here, had you?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: finally, re "not getting some things I really wanted" - this can be a tough nut but the root cause there is that you... wanted the wrong things basically.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and ftr the blog and public, explicit record is precisely what helps you with the above since you can track the improvements.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: in fewer words: be happy but don't become content/complacent.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so keep your eyes on the ideal, sure, but don't deny your own improvements so far, either.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: to make it clear: evaluating yourself objectively and falling constantly short of an ideal is a good way to get where you want i.e. to improve and matter; at the same time, you need to be aware of improvements too and to be happy for what you learnt even while you look at where you still got it wrong.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: fwiw I had this sort of exchange as a student myself: me: wtf I was so stupid and did so poorly at X!!! prof: but most in the group did even worse!! me: even if plenty others were *even more stupid than me* it does not mean I wasn't an idiot!!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-08-25#1000511 - looking always at what you could have done better/ improvement does NOT mean /need to mean that you are "never happy no matter what"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: combined those can quite make it terrible indeed but realise that 1. wanting to matter is normal and actually useful! 2. it's not going to happen overnight and moreover it's not about "getting anything and everything in one go"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: there is the relatively modern trouble of "can matter over night" impression + not allowed to actually matter in everyday environment because it's broken
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-08-25#1000510 - this sounds like your drive really and there's nothing wrong with it in itself i.e. yes, young people WANT TO MATTER, of course, what else.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-08-25#1000509 - a feeling of inadequacy can be a very helpful thing actually; but the conclusion you got there doesn't follow at all
(ossasepia) diana_coman: let's try a bit of detangling:
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr_: there are quite a few things in there that seem conflated into a single one for no good reason.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: faster and deeper*
(ossasepia) diana_coman: anyway: why the fixation on "in a single shot"?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but it's also true that as you know more/get better at various things, you will also get more faster so *some* may end up as "single shot"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I mean the original "I want to do just what I like/enjoy" first of all
(ossasepia) diana_coman: basically it takes a whole lot of focused work *before* you can trust your "likes"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr_: realise that the key to getting to do "what you want/like" is simply to learn first to have...better "likes". That's the core of the issue.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the above being said, you need to know how to *choose* what problems to solve at a given time or otherwise you risk not doing anything at all or getting overwhelmed too.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and the report is just that: a report of what actually got done/happened.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr_: do note that CH's article is relatively old so possibly not fully up to date.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr_: how's the weekly report coming out?
(trilema) diana_coman: but it's a more difficult thing to catch as it were: as above, it's unclear if "no signature" is a sign of "seeking to hide imperfection" or of "no read" or wtf already
(trilema) diana_coman: indeed it does
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: I should have said: what if I get negrated for having signed it while it still contains a mistake/something I overlooked; basically a too-perfect-vision of it or how to put it
(trilema) diana_coman: other people's signatures are good and wanted but that's about as much as it seems to go so far.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: lolz; but leaving the examples aside a bit, it seems to me that there is currently a lack of incentive to signing; basically people perceive it more as a liability (perhaps: I signed that and...what if I'm wrong/made a mistake??) than a gain;
(trilema) diana_coman: to link it also to earlier trinque's thread "nobody reads"
(trilema) diana_coman: well yes, that is pretty much a given as soon as one starts doing useful stuff; but it still implies that signatures on *other people's* stuff are back of the queue while at the same time you see lack of signatures on your stuff as "nobody reads!"
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: while ^ is true, signatures seem to be more than "lack of time" though; afaik you read EuCrypt and actually satisfied yourself re MR implementation for instance but I don't recall any signatures from you - or did I just miss them?
(trilema) diana_coman: !!up ave1_away
(trilema) diana_coman: ave1_away: well, the build script requires all sorts so it makes sense to have as genesis a complete starting point if possible
(trilema) diana_coman: !!up ave1_away
(trilema) diana_coman: sounds clear and a firm starting point to work from at least
(trilema) diana_coman: heh, comes with nice meal from wood fire (and the smoke too, came instantly to mind )
(trilema) diana_coman: strictly on the face of it, you'd just move by 100km per taxi then, lol.
(trilema) diana_coman: hm, not sure I follow what's the breakpoint of drive-trust at 100km
(trilema) diana_coman: sounds like a very restful break at least
(trilema) diana_coman: ave1_away: taxis shouldn't be all that expensive either
(trilema) diana_coman: heh, big but also nearby :P
(trilema) diana_coman: oh hey, nice! going to Ro too?
(trilema) diana_coman: !!up ave1_away
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jmsb hello, hang around a bit and it might happen
(trilema) diana_coman: as I totally forgot: I confirm that diana_alt was indeed me talking in here and in #o.
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-24#1930582 - always good to learn something new but what are you aiming to do exactly?
(trilema) diana_coman: I suspect he just missed that/did not update his local mp-wp, that's all
(trilema) diana_coman: there was no < floating around, no.
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-23#1930437 - no, it was a proper link, proper html; hence the bug re version of php, solved by danielpbarron and in hanbot's vpatch etc.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you just need to change one line; or simply look into hanbot's patch for it and manually do the change
(ossasepia) diana_coman: php version on server is newer and silently breaks a function in the mp-wp sources
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes_field: it's in #trilema log, danielpbarron's solution
(trilema) diana_coman: !!v F2DEE7F91D9B50B3B50840199C8C868221CD7FA849EAA36919C79EB2611F3CB3
(trilema) diana_coman: do you still have the bug re html in comments perhaps?
(trilema) diana_coman: lobbes: your blog ate my link!
(trilema) diana_coman: feedbot is extremely useful to track all the comments + posts, basically I switched all to it and it's working great so far; there was the deluge of the after-break stuff coming in today but it's not a big issue (and it didn't choke on it either so all good)
(trilema) diana_coman: or hm, it relies on frequent tags rather than words so not quite reflecting the content
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: come to think of it, the "cloud of tags" is the closest thing to the above in that it changes indeed as content is added; I don't recall if it provides direct link to articles but at least it reflects the content as is
(trilema) diana_coman: true; though it does get added gradually anyway and they don't really expect to know upfront *everything* that will be added
(trilema) diana_coman: arguably there are all those projects (like perseus even, perhaps?) where they worked precisely on "lots of digital content how to make it digitally-useful" but I am not aware of something that translates directly
(trilema) diana_coman: yes; and ofc there isn't any such thing or we'd have used it, no?
(trilema) diana_coman: may change; not like *always* change
(trilema) diana_coman: and yes, tags change as knowledge accumulates
(trilema) diana_coman: by writing that article I add to the knowledge my blog reflects i.e. to my public knowledge if you prefer
(trilema) diana_coman: yes but I don't see the problem with that
(trilema) diana_coman: they do, as they reflect the material put in; but I don't see a problem with a third person deciding to categorize trilema with whatever tags they think greatest and provide the resulting tags + links as their view of it, what
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: I agree re categories and tags; fwiw I also think that tags should reflect the material as it was put in; basically if one wants to categorize content differently, then they can make their own manual/automated/mixed/whatever tagger and apply it, providing their own view of the content
(trilema) diana_coman: possibly linked words for instance are more important
(trilema) diana_coman: I would start with something rather simple indeed; and review it, initially it's really a sort of learning wtf in there because I have no idea atm how useful the tags produced would be
(trilema) diana_coman: the exact approach/algo is the iffy bit re tags but probably won't be able to just come up with it directly working great
(trilema) diana_coman: tbh with categories also I start wondering if it's working at all or in fact it's still tags more useful anyway, without the pretense of neat and strict classification
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: I do; and a few other bits that are on the list to change but on which I kept thinking "there will be a mp-wp theme" and then can tweak; hm, who was it, billymg ?
(trilema) diana_coman: aha; but atm at least I can't seem to find it either, sadly
(trilema) diana_coman: hm, I *do* remember the idea but not having properly ranted on it (granted, I tend to forget it if I have a good rant over it, lol)
(trilema) diana_coman: I don't even remember myself ranting on it, huh
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: what article about google?
(ossasepia) diana_alt: this sort of situation is precisely where priorities are used: pick only top priority and focus on that first and foremost
(ossasepia) diana_alt: shrysr: ok; 10 lines of v.py though should fit in 1 week if all the other tasks can wait, right?
(trilema) diana_alt: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-21#1929962 - yesterday I ran a traceroute on both (nosuchlabs and btcbase) and it was going via stockholm+london for btcbase but not for nosuchlabs (iirc it was riga and then s.america)
(ossasepia) diana_alt: the above re every lord should run a bot as an even more basic requisite than running a node
(ossasepia) diana_alt: asciilifeform: I think I even said as much before, yes; it might have been as a comment on trilema though, can't seem to find it quickly right now.
(ossasepia) diana_alt: shrysr: those copy/paste bits on your blog - what's exactly their role/your idea with them? they don't quite make posts for sure; are you trying to build a sort of reference list there or what?
(ossasepia) diana_alt: yes, a proper separate working bot (ideally many of them) is the real need; this sort of mirrors are lowest-effort and a rather different thing, can't see any reason to spend a lot of time on them either
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