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(ossasepia) diana_coman: so then, still missing from all the above: your analysis of why your approach to planning failed + your conclusions as to what you'll change at it for next time
(ossasepia) diana_coman: there is no magical time-bag from where you can extract some more whenever convenient; you will always have time *only* for what you make time; and as such, you should always work with some error margin baked in, not hero-effort-at-last-minute sort of thing
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but do you realise that your "no time" and *all* of the above comes *already* after the deadline, right?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ahem, and you *still* stopped there; why?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: no; it was for reals: don't stop there.
(ossasepia) diana_coman is listening to the rest that shrysr has to add to the above.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: that's what happened, sure; but it's not quite enough to state "what happened" so...go ahead.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: how come it's Tuesday and you still haven't published that?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: btw I remember there was this "task list 1st thing tom" :D
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that's what I use btw and it works great.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: all republican blogs have pretty standard rss urls i.e. domain/feed for posts and domain/comments/feed for comments and that's all you need
(ossasepia) diana_coman: finding it on the blog is super easy as that's what the "recent comments" part is for
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: you don't *need* to copy the links anyway; all you need is the notification i.e. to know that there is a new comment, no?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: quite handy as it's then logged by your client too anyway
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and then you'll get a pm from feedbot on irc each time there's a new comment on younghands.club
(ossasepia) diana_coman: basically you simply tell feedbot for instance !1 subscribe http://younghands.club/comments/feed/
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: simply go /msg feedbot !1 help
(ossasepia) diana_coman: just make sure you talk to it in pm not in chan
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: you can actually use feedbot and it'll pm you for any rss feed you tell it to track for you
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: that's an idea though in fairness I can't say I'd *want* them; so far I just kept pointing out precisely that a. learn to write also when you use something, not only when you need something b. send me those other data sets and then who knows
(trilema) diana_coman: I suppose in time there'll be plenty more similar stuff that I should have written about but what can I do *now* about it - there's still plenty waiting in the queue to be done, yet more to be written and both queues seem to get only longer, a bit balaur-style, cut one head and 2 pop out
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: re the repo von minigame approach I searched a bit more and the starting point I think is possibly http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/eulora/2016-09-30#922530 but sadly the concrete madness seems to have never made it fully into public view
(trilema) diana_coman: and they are all "economists"
(trilema) diana_coman: in other unrelated stuff: I keep getting emails from Romanians that use those bac data sets but a. it's only and exclusively when they *need* something more/else and b. they somehow never seem to notice that they could also offer what other data sets they have to add there; GRRR
(trilema) diana_coman: ah, hm, there is yours; I just knew *I* didn't write one on the topic.
(trilema) diana_coman: ha, pine ~= highschool email!
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: it's a song afaik lolz.
(trilema) diana_coman: fwiw I don't think that's MP's point at all.
(trilema) diana_coman: aww, feedbot can't seem to keep up with the pace of trilema comments, lol
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: I'd tell him to implement it, run it and document the results; he'll figure out what you are saying much faster that way + he'll learn something from it at least.
(trilema) diana_coman: PeterL: well, you'd be better off doing and learning rather than popping up every now and again with suggestions only so that then people also have to explain stuff to you for no clear result otherwise.
(trilema) diana_coman: PeterL: what are you doing those days?
(ossasepia) diana_coman will be back tomorrow
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: lol, that's MP's fun+disdain(+narcissism I guess) re when he started aka romanian online that was ~inexistent; anyway, you have the actual year in the link
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and above re the links @ graphic
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I prodded you this time but what if/when I don't;
(ossasepia) diana_coman: if you need time to process/digest something, say it, sure; just say it though and ideally with some sort of time frame when you're likely to get back with some sort of follow-up
(ossasepia) diana_coman: above and earlier; e.g. when I prodded you if you were stuck - you should have said something, not just left /got into thinking quietly without any feedback/ack first
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: and do learn to acknowledge stuff! e.g. "reading" "got it", *something*.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: re graphics, it's not an idle question at all; and if it really rocks your boat, there's a lot of "CS" in "graphics"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: good for you.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: ugh, better pluck out weeds than smoking them, lol; but seriously, stop fucking your own brains with that shit.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: do you draw/enjoy graphics?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so there: have you tried canada-gardening? lolz
(ossasepia) diana_coman: basically if I were to recommend a job for subsistence to someone I'd much rather say gardening than programming - for one thing it doubles as keeping fit and for the other it probably creates *more* appetite for using the brain afterwards (through sheer boredom/frustration if nothing else)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and furthermore, the trouble is that it's precisely a programming job that is more likely to leave you without much energy and time for anything else; it happened already to several people and even quite senior ones.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: my point above re being the best, full stop, was that "unrelated" stuff is not "wrong" or hurting your progress just because it is unrelated
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: hmmmm, you can try the approach of getting paid to learn what you want, there is that (because at some point I practiced it) but other than the fact that I pulled that off, I'm not sure how to guide someone else exactly to do it
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that being said, breaks also have their own role so it's not really healthy/most efficient to do 100% of your time just one thing anyway.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: i.e. as long as you say you need a job there, you will have some degree of split no matter what you choose; the "best option" is one that eats up as little as possible of your time and brain power, so that you can pour it where it matters and hopefully advance fastest
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: the trouble is that no non-tmsr workplace will match/support your learning here (because if it did, it ...would join really)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: out of curiosity: since you studied in the UK, did you try to get a job in the UK ?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: hm, how about "your best" rather than "your best at X" ?
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: hm, I don't seem to have gotten that pingback though?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: are you stuck?
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: my sigs for logotron code ^
(trilema) diana_coman: oh, nice work billymg ! I can fully appreciate having a testing suite esp reflecting the spec like that, nice.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: in simplest of terms: the future is here; the past is there; straddling the 2 is the hardest thing to do and the biggest danger is that you fall on the past side and can't make it up on to the surface again, let alone further to the other side.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that's pretty much what lobbes was saying re "excel jokey" http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-08-29#1000828
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the extent to which you need those "companies" is really subsistence atm, for lack of being in a better position but that's also about as much as you can get from them and you need to make sure that you don't pay more than its worth.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: for your goals of intellectually stimulating work and access to resources and relevancy, there is PLENTY in tmsr, more than you can currently eat.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: the significant bit you are misjudging in the above is what outside-tmsr companies do (or even more pointedly what they do NOT do).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but I think you are sliding rather off course here i.e. is this part very relevant to you currently?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: note also that part of the reason why those are prime locations for it is exactly found in what *they* are; not at all in the West being mean and whatnot.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: not sure what you are answering there; e.g. where was "not ask for an explanation"? that aside and fwiw, the "offshoring" practice is alive and well in programming too and well spread in same way for the same reasons (i.e. India and Romania too are prime locations for it, sure).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the above assuming that you know enough to want what you actually need, which is not all that clear so far.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and any negatives should really be about what you can't tolerate because that's an important limit, arguable more important even than what you want.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: bitterness doesn't help you especially once/when you try to move forwards so forget about it when you are trying to figure out what you want: state instead clearly and in as much detail as you can figure out what is precisely that is most important to you.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and perhaps even more importantly: you tend to state your desires there in negative terms of what is rather than in positive terms of what you want i.e. you tend to say "that (which is/happens) is not acceptable" instead of "I want X"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: fwiw your essay *does* have a rather glaring lack of self-reflection there too; i.e. there's a lot about what is wrong with others, not that much re what you got wrong though.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: sure, you may argue that you *are the expert* and they just don't know it, so it's their stupidity at play but that doesn't quite let you off the hook either for not knowing your role.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: think of it this way: if you enter someone's house and start telling them that a painting is horrible - you may be honest and even right about it but whether they'd thank you for it or throw you out depends on whether you are just a guest there or an expert called in to evaluate the painting
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: hmmm, it's being categorical *without having gained the authority* for it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: the moment you *have to consider* the possible reaction of X or Y or even readers in general, you are 1. not free 2. writing less well than you could (because you are focusing on something other than what you are trying to say).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: for all the talk of freedom, it's mind boggling how little freedom there's actually left around, huh.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: you are saying that you are not yet free to talk, ok; publish then what you can say and you'll get feedback on that, yes.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: not to mention it's actually a significant bit of history there so it's not a loss in any case.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: in case it does any good, here's an instance of "don't actually want to write this, but it has to be written" + about as purposefully balanced as I could make it: http://ossasepia.com/2016/03/28/when-the-messenger-shoots-back/
(ossasepia) diana_coman: basically as long as you keep it private, I can read it and it possibly helps in that I'll take it into consideration, sure; but detailed feedback makes sense only for publicly stated matter really or otherwise I need to adopt you or something.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: through gpg again so that next time a guy comes in with similar outlook I just have to do it all again?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: how exactly am I to give you feedback on that, especially any detailed feedback?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: even leaving aside for a bit the fundamental issues touched above, here's the concrete trouble now:
(ossasepia) diana_coman: for that matter nobody says you shouldn't add the good parts you find, sure.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it's not like it appears there *because you said it* publicly
(ossasepia) diana_coman: if the truth involves "ill of X", note that the ill is a property of X *whether you say it publicly or not*
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: I don't quite follow the life mission thing; the point is not "to talk ill of X"; the point is to be able to talk the truth for and about yourself, full stop.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-02#1000931 - so discuss it, lol; and better a few days before the deadline.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: why not publish that essay you gpg-ed?
(trilema) diana_coman: at least as long as nobody cites the bots.
(trilema) diana_coman: a sort of diff & merge
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: indeed; though atm I can't think of anything that isn't ~= automated walk of N dbs
(trilema) diana_coman: ofc the above has also as side effect that bots are now in sync re line numbers
(trilema) diana_coman: the above mainly because it's a cleaner solution i.e. no more sed on the db dump (re db user I simply changed manually precisely *that* and not touched any log lines)
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: in the end I did use your most recent dump, thank you.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: yep, as I said to start with, lol.
(trilema) diana_coman: and I don't see any need to change the urls anyway
(trilema) diana_coman: yes; but not for changing urls (anyway it doesn't help with that, or I don't see how since url uses nosuchlabs /ossasepia, no?)
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: uhm? it wasn't about url, lol
(trilema) diana_coman: so yeah, "sossabot" was snsabot lol
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: me being silly really; your dump has nsabot user, my db has ossabot so I did stupidly a blind replace, didn't think of the name in the log
(trilema) diana_coman: I just need to think a bit re how to fix it without creating more trouble
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: no, not needed
(trilema) diana_coman: it's from when I imported your dump
(trilema) diana_coman: nm, it's in my db, will have to fix
(trilema) diana_coman: I know what the trouble is there
(trilema) diana_coman: I mean, your *bot* that got renamed weirdly as ossabot?
(trilema) diana_coman: moreover asciilifeform it's ..yours??
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: uhm, nick is fine in conf, that's weird.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: I agree re trouble but sadly I don't have any idea how to solve it
(trilema) diana_coman: meanwhile I found out while it failed to colour snsabot properly: I called it nsabot ofc; drat
(trilema) diana_coman: but it does mean that indices won't be in sync, pretty much, huh
(trilema) diana_coman: thank you for the hunt !
(trilema) diana_coman: ah, right you are
(trilema) diana_coman: well, syncing indices is gotta be automated not manual hunting though
(trilema) diana_coman: i.e. if anything I have 2 lines more??
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: hm, the indices though seem out of sync earlier
(trilema) diana_coman: bear posed even better for Hannah!
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: hm, I thought I had added it, will have to check.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and tbh I'm not so sure re what might possibly be fine with it - possibly the only thing would be that at least the "code" is there, that's about it but it's so swamped by all the rest that it doesn't do much at all.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: no matter how you look at the whole model, there's plenty wrong with it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: there is a lot of wrong measurements for sure (lines of code, number of contributions, number of projects, whatever) but by the time such "measurements" are requested, things are already rotten
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: that is one example, yes; the core is that 1. nobody actually owns the code in any meaningful way 2. lines of code added (later on anything added, hence "contributions", yes) are treated as gains instead of liabilities
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-01#1000903 - strictly speaking this can't be answered generically like this since there's big variation re what "CI/CD" actually is; i.e. to the extent that CI/CD means "someone I trust for this will sign your code", it's perfectly working and fine, sure
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but the problem is deeper because this lowering of wrong barriers is itself an effect of how the incentives are aligned, it's not just a cause of further shittiness down the road.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: in a charitable interpretation, you can say that it's precisely the wrong sort of barriers that got lowered, basically for being *easy* to lower rather than correct to lower
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: in short what is perceived as "barriers" is precisely the dam keeping shit at bay; laziness and cluelesness will always shout (and usually loudest of all, too, since plenty of voice and time) that "barriers"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: got it, will read later.
(trilema) diana_coman: at least it scrapes through into top-500 though, lol.
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-31#1932770 - mine is the first in the list there (103.36.92.112) but it doesn't seem to make it to top-1k providers of blocks; no idea why though, as far as I can tell it's been chugging along nicely all this time.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so far so good, yes
(trilema) diana_coman: the scripts for bot & reader are a bit iffier in that I couldn't test them (and they look different from asciilifeform's because of the python version on centos).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so: on public toilet there's default allowed and a list of not allowed stuff; on private computer there's default forbidden and a (small) list of allowed stuff.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that's after all the definition of "private": not open to everyone, default closed; by contrast, public (at its total extreme) is default open to everyone with specific exceptions that are not allowed
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you might see the link there with the earlier advice re new software and tools: by default it's NO to everyone; the onus is on them to prove they do something useful and can be trusted before being even considered.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: as a general principle, the core of non-public would be this: the default rule is "no" to everything and the exceptions (i.e. what CAN be done/access/make it there) are each and every one specifically added when/if needed.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: for that matter I consider though that data pretty much public anyway i.e. I'm under no illusion that it is not public, whatever is claimed otherwise.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so yes, all my interfacing with usual gov/local admin/child's school etc that is done online is done through the public toilet pc for instance
(ossasepia) diana_coman: sure, you can observe some degrees there too but you won't be able to secure it meaningfully anyway, because of its actual use (i.e. yes, you are pretty much required to handle it over insecure media and in insecure ways)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: onth re gov data and paperwork and the like - they are pretty much nothing to do with actual security anyway (despite the whole loud pretense otherwise "we take care of your data" bla bla)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you can of course make another key but you start over with it, as if you just came in.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and moreover, losing that key (i.e. being unable to decrypt something encrypted to it) literally means you "die" around here because there's no way to tell it's "you"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: anything signed/done under that key is *done by you* by definition, there is no way to claim "it wasn't me" after the fact
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the part to grasp is that your private key IS "you", your identity whole here
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I have a "travel key " (i.e. the one for diana_alt as you might have noticed), yes; even that one was never stored on vps and the like.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: as BingoBoingo points out, the one most important thing is for sure NEVER store your private keys there (and esp. not on a vps/online/someone else's machine/...)
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: thank you; I haven't yet set the cron jobs, yes; will do it later today.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: it has more to do with what runs on that machine really and how open to the network it is; it might mean different precise things for different people.
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-31#1932624 -> thanks for posting the versions that worked on your testbed, they saved a lot of futzing around!
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: uk, reading
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: ah, you mean that curl doesn't follow the redirect, right.
(trilema) diana_coman: the http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log is as earlier so visibly slow though not sure why
(trilema) diana_coman: uruguay wins after all
(trilema) diana_coman: well, I copied your test, yes; and it seems it's much closer and if anything, reversed indeed: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/AQfnO/?raw=true
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: you are right; let's redo then
(trilema) diana_coman: ftr the isp guys were very prompt and willing to do as asked; although one has to ask for the most basic of things, they at least do it
(trilema) diana_coman: for completeness, here's the timing from UK, apparently Moldova wins by far: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/U5Fnx/?raw=true
(trilema) diana_coman: test line citing works, quite nice
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-30#1932575 - ha, so usa can get faster @kukuruz than @uruguay, lolz.
(trilema) diana_coman: !!up ossabot
(trilema) diana_coman: myeah, atm it's still in "beta" deploy, lol
(trilema) diana_coman: but yes, it has to be automated
(trilema) diana_coman: for the dump I did first a sed for botname and then restore into db
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: the gap, yes
(trilema) diana_coman: not sure if there's some algo to it; my choice was so it's easy to remember/match
(trilema) diana_coman: I checked at http://lobbesblog.com/static/tmsr_bot_directory.html and !o didn't seem taken but it's not among the "next in line" either
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: no hurry; is !o ok to take for ossabot?
(trilema) diana_coman: ah, there is the log-citing, hm.
(trilema) diana_coman: it's meant to listen, not to talk, heh
(trilema) diana_coman: I'm not sure it should talk in here
(trilema) diana_coman: ah, can't talk in here, good.
(trilema) diana_coman: aha, the db; kk
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: which raw dump link? the db dump you mean?
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: can I get a raw dump of the logs to feed the bot or how best to sync?
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: re vtree I considered it but atm the source is your blog so there it is; when I get around to wrap it up I'll sign + publish etc
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: indeed it does! and yes, I'll have to look into something for younghands probably but pizarro will stay there too
(trilema) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: thanks! got it and it's online already.
(trilema) diana_coman looks at the pile of lisp books waiting on the shelf
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, BingoBoingo can I get that pizarro banner to hang in there?
(trilema) diana_coman: name's ossabot so can haz !o maybe?
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: thank you!
(trilema) diana_coman: yeeeee, works and test-live at logs.ossasepia.com (185.163.46.29)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: basically it's not your *obligation*, it's simply your option and choice.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: or it doesn't matter entirely; pretty much as it doesn't matter if your postman hates that you got a postbox now instead of a hole in the door or whatever
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it certainly is an effort, yes; onth you stand thus a chance of a more friendly response; ofc you get to decide if it's worth it or not and in what cases; sometimes having them hate your guts is ...tonic !
(trilema) diana_coman: it needed one more install but anyways; nao to see about apache
(trilema) diana_coman: ha, at least I got the bot running and joining the chan (ossasepia-test), yeee
(ossasepia) diana_coman: directly aka personally in this instance
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: the nugget to get out of all of it (and faster at that) is short: to the extent possible/available, when you talk to people simply focus on what's in it *for them* directly, not on the shiny change or how it's better overall or whatever other far away and abstract bits
(ossasepia) diana_coman: fwiw there's a whole lot of writing on the topic, specifically re introducing new stuff in industrial environments but I wouldn't say it's worth sinking the time to read any of it really
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: the "gentler" approach is to have+take the time+effort to make first people sense the value in it; but that part can be extremely expensive and at times simply not feasible for "everyone"
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: the config knobs were set (easy part!!)
(trilema) diana_coman: and ofc I need to see if the *bot* also works, lolz
(trilema) diana_coman: will try! thank you asciilifeform
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the personality tests, heh.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: (and do remember the above for when /if you find yourself hating someone who's trying to... change stuff :D )
(ossasepia) diana_coman: sure it is; laughter is also very good; as the saying goes: if you can't laugh at silly, stupid, bad and downright nasty, there will be precious little to laugh at :))
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: what's the incantation to do with apache to check now?
(trilema) diana_coman: i.e. so far I could at least actually run the reader and it's waiting; ran the eater on my own ossasepia deeded logs and it ate
(trilema) diana_coman: hm, in better & unexpected news, a fresh last-ditch try seems to possibly work - with precisely flask as lobbes's (http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-29#1932146)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: basically if you make it still with them to the other side when they are over the work and comfortable with the new situation, some might even say thanks; maybe.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: it's not about some rotten core at all; it's simply that 1. change = work , hence people in general do not want it and *will not do it* unless and until they ran out of ~ANY other options 2. you are there forcing change (even proposing it!) and without any authority to squash "any other choice" convincingly therefore 3. you are the best target /relief
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: I hope you see though how and why they'll.... hate you by the end of it :D
(trilema) diana_coman: apparently transfagarasan not that well covered, lol
(trilema) diana_coman: ofc there's alway 4. give up on it at this time
(trilema) diana_coman: re logger atm I am undecided as my options so far seem to be: 1. do another round of madness with flask until it works on this old (but stable at least) centos 2. replicate environment aka burn down centos and have fun installing remotely on the machine cuntoo 3. simply run irssi (as I'm otherwise running this code anyway as my client) with logging to db into an mp-wp database and be done with it (possibly each line a one comment - will end
(trilema) diana_coman: spyked: there's no way to undo what one did, yes; make amends maybe, undo no.
(trilema) diana_coman: I'll go and sleep.
(trilema) diana_coman: given this, I seriously wonder if it can be much worse to make it in ada on top of all the gnat-mess including unbounded strings and gnat.sockets and everything else; at least the full gnat so far *is* more transferable
(trilema) diana_coman: well yes but it's starting to sound even appealing here, lolz
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: so then what, I'm still better off writing the bot in C or what?
(trilema) diana_coman: as usual, there's no lack of "tools", lolz; only none does anything other than eating up more time, ofc.
(trilema) diana_coman: there is pip and some easy_install
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