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(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: true re very little traffic in most chans as only reason why one can still sync manually, yes.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: tbf is currently on a rather unclear footing really, not sure how that helps; you *are* representing TMSR
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: let me know what networks you choose, maybe dig out the old freenode-managed-to-reject-server thing too , for some idea
(ossasepia) diana_coman: plus you get clear proof that they are idiots, what.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: if they handle it idiotically fine, it's their loss anyway.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so don't; you focus on what *you* offer and otherwise let the rest of the world figure out for themselves what they are going to do about it and how they are going to handle it
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: their attitude is their problem, really; it's perplexing only if you look at it with some pre-conceived expectations really
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and it's not helping
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: and no, don't approach them begging/probing because you won't be able to get out of that initial framing
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: but yes, I know you aren't yet clear on this part yet
(ossasepia) diana_coman: we are offering them a chance; they are free to be idiots and miss out on it, just like freenode did
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: we are not really selling anything given that they aren't paying, you know?
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: I meant that multiple-chan is the part where automation wins here; otherwise retrieving the lines + drop/insert is anyway semi-automated at best for the above reasons.
(trilema) diana_coman: anyway, I'll read & try if you publish it
(trilema) diana_coman: tbh that's the main reason why I didn't reach for "automate it" - because a lot of it still remains manual; it's more this multiple-chan the trouble perhaps than anything else.
(trilema) diana_coman: aha; and as such, it should ask for operator confirmation before delete + insert
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: no, I don't think it can safely be fully automatic or not at this stage at least.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: if anyone wants to follow this particular thread, the discussion of proposed sync is in #trilema as it belongs better there.
(trilema) diana_coman: ie for what it is, it's fine.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: my point re misleading longest sequence was if new talk in between getting sequence from a and from b, causing b to be longest just because latest retrieved; anyway, I don't think it can be done a whole lot better at this level really.
(trilema) diana_coman: true; honestly, the only reasonable sync that I can see is literally bots talking to one another ie ...gossipd, no?
(trilema) diana_coman: or hm, the "longest sequence" may be misleading
(trilema) diana_coman: in principle if one runs it with bot *disconnected*, a talk within the sync interval simply requires a re-run rather than breaking anything, no?
(trilema) diana_coman: ah, you mean the timestamp as cross-chan reference point locally
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: why use timestamps rather than log lines number though? I don't get how is that better at all; ie give syncer "last known ok line", should drop anything with id > that for the chan; then import everything with id > that from the reference
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: better state it here though
(ossasepia) diana_coman: tbh at resync time the usual headache is when/if lines are missed in the middle ie need to drop some & then update; but anyways, as starter it's better than nothing, for sure
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: re longest, I'd say it should prolly look at a diff or similar though because in some cases one might need a mixture of them, ugh
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: sure, I'll have a look when you post it but take your time.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: sounds good, yes.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the point is: document the thing; here we looked at all sorts and this is what was found.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: and where "archaeological", write it as a note "not updated since 2012" or whatever
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: re continuing the list - in principle it's worth doing anyway because you'll need it later in any case; but it can be done at a slower pace/don't need to wait for it to be complete before starting talking to them
(ossasepia) diana_coman: should be on, let me know if you see any weird
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: aite, I'll manually change it for now.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: yeah, looking at the list does reveal lots of "dead but listed" pretty much
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: if you have already a few (2-4 at least) that seem in the least approachable, just connect to them first and look around and then start talking to them; let me know what/which ones you picked and I can come in too if it helps
(ossasepia) diana_coman: once you have at least a few that seem on first pass as a possible option, we can go in and talk to them.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: so maybe order the list based on what you think ie "seems most likely to accept my server"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: maybe they need more servers because they have too few or something
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: you need number of servers vs users I'd say ie number of servers by itself is not telling much
(ossasepia) diana_coman: fwiw that oftc thing seems quite approachable, from among the "big" ones
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: makes sense.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: how did you order that list of irc networks? the top100 from netsplit.de seems different (possibly changed since you looked but seems rather unlikely to have changed that much)
(trilema) diana_coman: I agree with the spurious "bot" though; now it reads "ossabot bot", ugh.
(trilema) diana_coman: and bot re-deployed, pressed to latest head (aka bvt's vpatch)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I have yet to meet a sane person who also loves issue trackers, indeed.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: hopefully you don't want to add issue trackers around here though.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: the whole point of a blog though is to ...communicate with others; so better use it like they are there anyway, regardless of what might seem, since 1. you can't really tell it, anyway 2. it's better to make good habits than bad habits, after all
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: overall, the important bit that you seem to have little practice with - despite what /how it might seem, you are not working alone (or not anymore).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: better take care of yourself, yes; and get well soon!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: eh, a few spaces are usually enough to make sense of it really
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: dunno, you aimed at me "it's bad practice" so ...
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: if you just want my feedback on something, you can put it on paste.deedbot.org and ask me in chan; works that way too
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it's not exactly errata, no
(ossasepia) diana_coman: he published as draft; a list that wasn't complete but on which he could use feedback
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: what?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: ugh, don't do that, no; once you published it, leave it there; update it afterwards (with marked "updated + date") but don't move it about
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: did you just... vanish the irc-list post from your blog???
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but do note that every time you ask people to wait, that part has a cost too so you get to decide on what it's worth it and on what it's not (usually, if it's easy enough to fix, you are better off just doing it, no matter how inconvenient)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so at the very least there should have been a "sorry people, I'll get around to fix this by Saturday, meanwhile please comment in chan and I'll add them there" + a notice on the blog or something
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ie not fixing it quickly meant for sure losing information (at the very least the actual links) + potentially losing commenters in the long run + getting a bad rep too, hence the "it's a very poor strategy"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: your html-eating trouble got in the way of *all* people who wanted perhaps to comment there and moreover it also had a potentially huge cost for you
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: concrete details re normal vs front-line can be given in specific contexts really, not generically like that; the generic rule would be front-line = problems that get in other people's way really; those need to be addressed asap but "addressed" may mean giving a clear schedule re fix
(trilema) diana_coman: who even is dllud?
(trilema) diana_coman: bvt: ping please when you regrind as I will sign it and mirror it too, thank you.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: that irc networks lists is not bad for a start; see comment.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: fwiw no, manually resync of bots, manually applying fixes and doing redeploy first thing in the morning is not convenient at all.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: might as well add it here too, since it's one of those "front-line trouble, needs sorted *now*, can't wait until it's convenient": http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-02#1939618
(trilema) diana_coman: and deployed; ossabot now running with bvt's fix for socket-trouble.
(trilema) diana_coman: bvt: no worries; I'll first just make the changes, deploy and see how it keeps on; though it took ossabot ~10 days before it fell down at all.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-02#1004370 - yes, it got stuck on idiotic error; I'll have to try bvt's fix for this.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-01#1004369 - Japan, the land of head-banging and furiously effective body-scrubbing; not bad for a first visit.
(trilema) diana_coman: bvt: ty, I'll give it a try.
(trilema) diana_coman: bvt: ah, I had this niggling thought that there *was* some patch I missed somehow; asciilifeform what was it with this/why didn't it make it into the sept vpatch?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so no, don't save fixing front-line shit for when it's convenient, that's a very poor strategy.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-01#1004363 - this is fine for usual work but *not* for problems of this sort; even with problems you need to discriminate, which ones can wait and which ones can't; you know, if it was non-wot blog, I would just stop commenting there entirely.
(trilema) diana_coman: hm, ossabot is stuck with "WARNING [Errno 106] Transport endpoint is already connected"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you know, it's a known issue + solution and moreover I already pointed it out to you
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the last line in my comment read: Funnily enough, there IS an essence at work here but it's rather far than what the author thinks he's talking about.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: grrr thimbronion wtf are you doing with that html-eating blog of yours?
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: nuked as requested; and answrt.
(trilema) diana_coman: lolz; not yet.
(trilema) diana_coman: we shall find out; when we have nodes; still starts with...1 node.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: all right!
(trilema) diana_coman: aha, precisely; but dunno why you got at first stuck on the number, lol.
(trilema) diana_coman: ok, /me promises to let asciilifeform enjoy the salty water and not invite him to half-a-boat; makes some sense since admiral of half a boat is a bit silly, true.
(trilema) diana_coman: that's like saying neah, still better swimming the ocean naked than having a boat, what's a boat gonna do, need at least 2!!1
(trilema) diana_coman: wouldn't it be great if we had already own irc node, huh
(trilema) diana_coman: lol, poor asciilifeform will have to re-sync snsabot
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: enjoy!
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: found it; for bonus points it's in Romanian too, ofc
(trilema) diana_coman: either plush the whips or whip the plushes by the sounds of it; lemme fish that out though iirc it was ~what you said to BingoBoingo yest, not much more to it
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: all right.
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939429 - you told it to me in pm once; I don't recall reading it somewhere else.
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939329 & http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939330 - lol, the easy part! though for proper corridors I suspect I'll need to build the building too.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and you'll fill in the pictures once you are back
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack_travel: lolz; so do a text-only with "here should have been picture if me checked before going that everything works"
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: makes sense.
(trilema) diana_coman: that much is true but this is not going to solve it; the raw log thing is fine and yes, on a per chan basis, one has to request from their own "latest index" to as much as it takes to end up with "nothing"
(trilema) diana_coman: I don't quite think it's the right approach even, tbh
(trilema) diana_coman: ahhh, now I see what you wanted ; but... how could it work across chans because even if "last N" , it's still rather meaningless
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: I don't quite get what problem are you trying to solve with this tape knob?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: I didn't yet get to press the new patches and see the thing/readme so I'm not yet sure what are you trying to do there/what's the problem
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack_travel: good to hear re travel posts, but hopefully it doesn't take longer than the trip to actually write at least one, lolz
(ossasepia) diana_coman: based on that experience, decide if you want to continue doing precisely and exactly what you decide or not.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-30#1004324 - let me spell it out for you then if you don't understand it: you did precisely and exactly what you wanted and you thought was needed etc until coming here, right? so you have plenty of experience as to how well that works.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-30#1004322 - no, it wasn't clear, because it's a prerequisite if anything and because (by your own words eg http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-08-16#1000227 and http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-18#1003057) you already did some work on it anyway
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: ok; so you'll get to v and anything tmsr-related around Christmas, is this correct?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: ah, ok; then I'll read it if you say it's complete.
(trilema) diana_coman: mod6: yay, sounds great actually
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: dates only works, sure
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: will you get to publish today the concrete plan for this week?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: the numbering of weeks is not very helpful by itself really; you can number them if you want to but use also the dates eg week 1 23-29 Sept 2019
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: it is a typo indeed, sorry.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack_travel and thimbronion : logically speaking you should make up your minds and rate me whatever you consider appropriate but since I'm not yet sure you even really get what the WoT is and how it works, this can still wait.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it might be still the case that you can self-voice in #trilema as well (until the new voice model is deployed) but I suggest caution re talking there as it's way *less* permissive than talking in here.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you can all use feedbot now and I suggest you do use it to subscribe to RSS (posts+comments) at least for younghands.club if for nothing else; feedbot's manual is at http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/081-feedbot-manual.html and you can pm it anyway; commands for it start with !1 eg !1 help
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr, whaack_travel, thimbronion - I've updated the ratings for all of you; you should be able to see them with /msg deedbot !!reputation
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(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: where are you with exposing & doing something (any direction) about those lingering doubts?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: that analysis v2 seems incomplete/cut out in places, what happened there?
(trilema) diana_coman: afaik the need someone in China is still entirely unaddressed, is it? apparently thimbronion has newly established e-mail contact with someone living in China so maybe worth pursuing it with this goal in mind.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: your blog strips away html tags, ugh; see the known php-version issue + fix
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack_travel: moving forward: 1. your new deadline for http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-29#1004282 is 13th of October; I'd rather you take your time and write it as detailed as it gets since it will do you good anyway. 2.do you still plan to post travel writings while you are there?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but I'm always all for giving a man all the rope he needs to hang himself with, if that's his goal, anyways, sure.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack_travel: you know, there's a reason why I had initially set deadlines only for after you are back from the trip; your trouble with 2nd task is more related to your very poor evaluation of both effort required and time available, not as much with the task itself.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack_travel: aha; and don't do this stupid shit with "if I got this barely right, might as well screw the next"; the opposite should apply "if I barely got away with this, should really do more on the next one"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-29#1004279 - hmmm, so you figured it out the next day but would have kept quiet and not update re deadline nor anything until when exactly? And why?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: the format is up to you but every Sunday there should be 1. a review of the previous week 2. a plan for the new week
(ossasepia) diana_coman will be back tomorrow
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: btw, I hope you did fix *all* the links in the old/imported content on your blog, right?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: anyways, might I kindly remind everyone that it's Sunday and therefore tomorrow I have time reserved to read the week reviews + plans that will be of course published by the deadline.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, next time I'll set you to summarize some ancient greeks so that at least it's indeed harder to ask them questions
(trilema) diana_coman: thimbronion: go ahead
(trilema) diana_coman: !!up thimbronion
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: and you know, the helpful thing about articles on republican blogs is that they have sane authors so you can hope to get a useful answer if you... ask them, there, under the original text
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: add for next week as task to write a review your own "summary" there (+all the questions you should ask,ofc)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: but now on top of that you added more work for you, what can I do.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and no, not a footnote hidden and as a sort of maybe-kinda-perhaps-not-really
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: what sort of "finished" can it possibly be when you don't understand what you are "summarizing" in there?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: so? why?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: even if just there at the end of the summary; here's what I STILL can't figure out, help!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: so now tell me this: why exactly didn't you ask those questions *before* I poked you, ffs
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and yes, the word limit was specifically set (based on the original text ofc, not blindly) to force you to add more but ideally not just sticking some detail but rather working it *as a whole*
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: do you think you understood now those hard parts of the text?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: we shall see when he comes in and speaks.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: with the new voice model you won't be able to self-voice in #t even when I rate you; so you'll have to join and I'll up you now so you answer MP
(ossasepia) diana_coman: also: you should have mentioned the imposed word limit at the top (ie this is a summary of x in 400 words +/-50) + the actual count at the end
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: re http://thimbron.com/2019/09/summary-of-your-feelings-are-out-to-get-you/ - 1. how many times did you read the original text ? 2. how many times did you review the summary before publishing it? 3. was it easy/hard/didn't matter to make it in the given word-limit?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: can you up yourself in #t ?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack_travel: did you find that famed adapter or is there no such thing in all Japan?
(trilema) diana_coman is eating up logs
(trilema) diana_coman: hello mp_en_viaje !
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: as a side note: is the selection mechanism not working on your blog?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: onth if it's an author with proved knowledge in that field, then *you* spend *your* time wondering, yes, because it's worth it and most probably your own failure there and for your own gain to struggle with it, too
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: specifically, if it's nobody-on-a-stick talking there, you do NOT waste time "wondering" what they might have "thought"; you either discard the whole thing as pure nonsens or you go and ask so that *they* spend the time supporting it because it's proper that it should be *their* cost, not yours
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: and re "ask them" see for instance also 1n; you need to learn to actually discriminate based on *who* said whatever you hear/read;
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-29#1004227 - this should have been clearly stated in there: "I asked colo x on this date, will update when I get their answer"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-29#1004226 - so the guidelines are specific enough or is there more you wish they said? I'm confused.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: ^
(ossasepia) diana_alt: in any case and as a rule: we're not going to get bothered with nonsense even if they rename it as "rule" so don't be over-concerned at whatever you encounter.
(ossasepia) diana_alt: re "sponsor" - that's not in itself a problem, we can work it out; but as it reads now, there are more dubious bits in there
(ossasepia) diana_alt: then we can see from there
(ossasepia) diana_alt: thimbronion: given the full bag of oddities there, I'd say do this first : make a list with all the irc networks you can find + their own stated "requirements" bla-bla and where's their chan/means to actually talk to admin people
(ossasepia) diana_alt: thimbronion: "I wish they provided more information/details" means simply -> you should *ask* them, wtf
(ossasepia) diana_coman: atm I really need to go offline but will talk more on Monday for sure
(ossasepia) diana_coman: maxim_mivo: glad to see you here really, hope you get your head around the WoT and all the rest; I've rated you, though it might take a while for wot.deedbot.org to update
(trilema) diana_coman: !!v 66FFA5A46B5E978FC493ED23C9F09595D69C7BE45162327D8B00B0AEC54F6543
(ossasepia) diana_coman: maxim_mivo: asciilifeform here is Stanislav who enquired earlier and basically prompted me to write the article and invite you here
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: maxim_mivo here is from MivoCloud
(ossasepia) diana_coman: aha; nobody is at the keyboard at all times but people leave a connection on and when they get to the keyboard they read the log and reply to any pending questions
(ossasepia) diana_coman: this channel is logged and one of the logs is hosted precisely with mivocloud - the server I have with you
(ossasepia) diana_coman: maxim_mivo: ah, take your time, there is no rush; this works at people-pace but you'll want to set up possibly a znc bouncer so you remain connected at all times and check the logs to answer what people asked you
(ossasepia) diana_coman: maxim_mivo: did you figure out the WoT thing?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: maxim_mivo: I'll rate your key when I get to mine and there will probably be people wanting to talk to you
(ossasepia) diana_coman: maxim_mivo: your irc connection is not a very good advertisement for stability of pipe at mivocloud, lolz.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: or what's your role there?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: maxim_mivo: when you say legal representative do you mean "lawyer"?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: oh hey, you registered your key, nice
(trilema) diana_coman: !!key maxim_mivo
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: aha; thanks.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you cross one and you are on the other side of *that one* but that doesn't mean you'll notice the next one before/without banging your head on it, let alone manage to cross it
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: re intellectual barrier - it's not just one ie you cross it and you are on the over side; there's an infinity of them as you advance, that's all.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: when you read something it should be a lot more the *other* way around - you may look at how you fit the description there (even how you change to fit the description there) and certainly NOT "how to change the description to fit me"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: it's a very poor habit on first read, and doubly poor when/if you don't even notice you're doing it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: that's obviously your attempt to match what you're reading to your own personal experience
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: turns out eudev is known and acceptable.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: no, it's for the irc task, I gave thimbronion the list of acceptable and banned stuff; he had this older gentoo on which he had said eudev and unsure about it.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: ah, so it's at least not-fungus
(trilema) diana_coman: does anyone know what eudev is? (apparently some gentoo fork of udev working with openrc but unclear at this point if it's at all acceptable on a system)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the world usually let's you get on with whatever stupid you want for as long as you can...bear the consequences; but discerning which specific bit is screwing you over can be quite difficult indeed, when it's your own bit (if you already knew it was stupid, there'd be no need, ofc)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: the bootstrap is rare; feedback that allows you to *notice* which bit/part you are doing is stupid is quite rare indeed.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: iirc it was as an add on, some additional 15-25 eur/month depending on size of ssd
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: re price, iirc 49 eur/mo is not ssd.
(trilema) diana_coman: well, tbh I wouldn't consider it "accepts btc" if not; but yes, that's why I wrote it black on white.
(trilema) diana_coman: once I get their response either way, I'll update the article; let's see.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: I just fired up an email to them, as the article promisses
(ossasepia) diana_coman: eh, he's been travelling so quite a different context.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack_travel: heh, adapters ftw; *every* time you travel -> check what adapters you'll need.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: thanks; and no, one title is enough anyway, lolz; see the comments for a bit more on both how to translate and what does castle license mean
(ossasepia) diana_coman: now that I finally got the order of [][] right, I still have to remember the http apparently.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: speaking of castles, this #ossasepia castle here is now licensed as can be seen at any time in the license deed.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: speaking of castles, this #ossasepia castle here is now licensed as can be seen at any time in the [deedbot.org/deed-596500-2.txt][license deed].
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: absolute vulnerability involves openness - to change (aka learning) through all available means so yes, absorbing too, why not.
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