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asciilifeform: back to the little pistol - i often wonder what is the shortest barrel that's still good for 'last round you save for yourself'
BingoBoingo: Probably depends on what comes out of barrel. .22 rimfire prolly needs a longer barrel than .50 BMG
cazalla: it's a ladies gun isn't it? sorta like a derringer
assbot: Exotic ammunition www.shram.kiev.ua ... ( http://bit.ly/1KeKCr0 )
BingoBoingo: For last bullet one needs barrel that goes back of the mouth and then up to destroy brainstem. Wider buller likely more forgiving. perhaps .12 gauge deer slug from metal "flare" gun would be ideal if "guide rod" was attached to contact right part of the soft palate
asciilifeform: something like the 'captive bolt' thing used in slaughterhouses would also work
asciilifeform: (gunpowder-actuated piston)
BingoBoingo: cazalla: That break action .223 pistol isn't even a ladies gun. Lacks the aesthetics for that.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: captive bolt is for the bunker to pass around after the last selfish prick takes own goal
asciilifeform: 'ugh wash that thing will ya'
assbot: Last 12 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0PAMJTS.txt )
BingoBoingo: mats: What really is the appeal of "hip firing"? is that for target too close for bayonet?
mats: putting more rounds downrange than other skilled shooter
mats: i would prefer a knife for close in work
cazalla: you guys and your illegal weapons.. call the police if ya meet with trouble
BingoBoingo: cazalla: On the contrary. Not illegal at all here.
asciilifeform: cazalla: in usa, police is where you call to have the sidewalk hosed and corpses removed
cazalla: BingoBoingo, illegal in my country therefore illegal in yours (works for US so why not aus?)
BingoBoingo: cazalla: .50 BMG anti dump truck rifle perfectly fine sport weapon
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Because your most dangerous native fauna is the roos
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> cazalla: in usa, police is where you call to have the sidewalk hosed and corpses removed << In this area they don't hose. Property owner must contract "crime scene cleaner"
cazalla: as much hassle as it is shelling and deveining prawns, this tom yum goong is preddy gud
BingoBoingo: Medical services of course though always take the largest portion of the cadaver and bill for their attempts at resurrection
BingoBoingo: http://www.wired.com/2012/07/olympic-gear-firearms/ << lol EU restricts CO2 emissions from airguns!
assbot: JL: The Survival Stick ... ( http://bit.ly/1e7idqk )
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assbot: JL: How Police Protect Gangsters ... ( http://bit.ly/1e7iolu )
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BingoBoingo: MCM pistol, self winding watch, and naptha box lighter seems like a solid trio of possessions for profiling potential Bitcoin holders
mats: i admit that 'hip firing' is a mistake for most people
mats: and in the general case i would prefer a balanced knife over a handgun
BingoBoingo: Well it is a dilemma. At range you want a rifle, and otherwise you jsut don't want to get boned
mats: bring a battle buddy (tm)
assbot: CMSC 818I: Science of Crypto-Currency ... ( http://bit.ly/1e7jwFR )
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mircea_popescu: "The Black Guerilla Family was running at least one Maryland Corrections facility, and even had military operatives in Afghanistan bringing home dope. Terrence White, the incarcerated Commander of the gang, impregnated four corrections officers!"
mircea_popescu: o hey, check the guy out
mircea_popescu: it wasn't out of the blue.
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assbot: » Black Guerrilla Family, the Bloods and the Crips Plan to “Take Out” Baltimore Cops Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind! ... ( http://bit.ly/1e7lqX0 )
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1177026 << ongoing problem, with all the "we made our own coin out of bitcoin and sed/awk"
assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 01:05:52; punkman: so apparently shitcoins can connect to bitcoind just fine and shit blocks on it
mircea_popescu: how the fuck do you tell them apart ? most are very sloppy too
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1177044 << fucktard thinks that something OTHER THAN THE PESO is the world's least stable currency.
mircea_popescu: in this, he is a typical argentine.
mircea_popescu: folks around here earnestly believe their country is unlike congo.
mircea_popescu: because they're white, and really that's all there is.
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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1177090 << "provided the entire 'connectable' network is defined as 'that which will allow us to probe'. " splendid wankery.
assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 03:17:58; punkman: "AddressProbe is able to map the entire connectable Bitcoin network within minutes" interesting
mircea_popescu: also in the same news dollop, "wot allows mapping the entire visible relationship map". derp.
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BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> folks around here earnestly believe their country is unlike congo. << Like Roof kid who targeted church because he lacked balls to target crack den or hip hop concert
mircea_popescu: he should have targeted city hall.
mircea_popescu: always shoot the politicians, whenever something goes not to your liking.
mircea_popescu: that's what they're there for.
assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 03:53:05; mats: will put in the enemy's eye
BingoBoingo: Or make the politicians shit the paperwork, what evs
mircea_popescu: 15% Class participation
mircea_popescu: 20% Ethereum project
mircea_popescu: 15% Reading Critique and Homeworks
mircea_popescu: 50% Final project
mircea_popescu: motherfucker.Elaine Shi and Andrew Miller ftr.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> always shoot the politicians, whenever something goes not to your liking. << And to be fair Roof kid got a State Senator
BingoBoingo: Purely by chance though.
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mats: punkman: reads like a scam
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cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1177210 <<< would shooting up a crack den even make the news?
assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 05:17:33; BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> folks around here earnestly believe their country is unlike congo. << Like Roof kid who targeted church because he lacked balls to target crack den or hip hop concert
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Maybe if he got a high score?
cazalla: church wouldn't be my choice but he might've known it would cause outrage on account of church being somewhat sacrosanct
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: no doxygen, but i did try to run it through a source tree mapper one time
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mircea_popescu: "As a man, my arsenal is heavier in my room. In my bed is a bowie knife, on the night stand a dagger, by the dresser a late medieval arming sword, at my desk a pair of butterfly swords, by my foot locker a Viking sword and a jobolo wood baton, and by the door to my room a hickory walking stick, a razor sharp daito [ninja sword] and a 14 inch meat hook. I want to emerge from my room with a weapon in each hand, as such a
mircea_popescu: scenario would be triggered by an audible break in or an attack on my housemates—and, for that apocalyptic event, I have my bow and arrows."
mircea_popescu: this guy is going to die accidentally when his bedroom falls on him
BingoBoingo: It sounds like there is a non-zero chance of that.
cazalla: such fancy weapons but i'd rather dual machete with 50% crit bonus on offhand
mircea_popescu: dunno. they seem light and overall excellent.
cazalla: well, Australian has +2 to machete so it is an obvious choice
BingoBoingo partial to stiff dagger with pointed narrow blade, preferably unseen until removed from ribs
mats: 'karambit'
BingoBoingo: !s fairbairn
assbot: 4 results for 'fairbairn' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fairbairn
mircea_popescu: lol teh kukri
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cazalla: BingoBoingo, no rambo knife? (knife from part 2)
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Too wide and flat. Dagger is minimal skill tool.
BingoBoingo: Something like a Rambo knife requires awareness of angles and orientation
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punkman: "Terminator was really sent back by John Connor because he could not longer stand reading the code he wrote when he was younger"
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punkman: mats, what reads like a scam?
mats: 01:05:06 <@assbot> » Black Guerrilla Family, the Bloods and the Crips Plan to “Take Out” Baltimore Cops
mircea_popescu: you only think so because alex jones is pushing it.
punkman: everything on infowars reads like a scam indeed
mats: i would expect these organizations to have been in the game long enough to know to avoid inviting federal bureaucrats to join in the fun
mats: reads like cops scamming feds for grant money.
mircea_popescu: nah, feds would never give money, they'd just move in.
mircea_popescu: and honestly, it's dubious whether feds can actually afford going to battle with a well organised us based clan.
mircea_popescu: whether such exists is another matter, but anyway.
mircea_popescu: iirc the faggots licked them. there's not much lower to go after that.
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lobbesbot: New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=7795365644055 (Shell Arkell ; ) || Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=1816771166631 (Shell Arkell ; )
BingoBoingo: Ouch, another german
BingoBoingo: And the alf creation now has the ears of 66 moduli for its necklace
BingoBoingo: Some BUtuchyag grade Fatlogic. Measuring HamPlanets in pounds AND GALLONS, by their own request https://slimgur.com/images/2015/06/26/726940d391d962a57fc6f5f1e83092c4.jpg
mircea_popescu: o hey check that out.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo thaty's not a bad flag at all. whose is it ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Saw it in the reddit tardmines trying to mine lulz. Creator yet unidentified. Apparently reddit OP jacked it from elsewhere to be identified
mircea_popescu: i think you just summed up reddit with that.
mircea_popescu: like a wikipedia for non-text internet content.
mircea_popescu: "identify as an aloe vera" bit was pretty good.
BingoBoingo: It's the new "Fuck You Imma Dragon"
cazalla: 386 lbs holy fuck that water retention
cazalla: "identify as aloe vera" ok nice troll
mircea_popescu: why not camel, i wonder.
BingoBoingo: Because camel humps are fat. The wikipedoium can tell redditors that.
mircea_popescu: but aloe's a vegetable.
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BingoBoingo: But they don't want to be oily butterblobs, they want to be innocent ballons
BingoBoingo: Water weight makes it seem like the doctor's fault for not giving them enough HCTZ and Lasix to piss out their planthood.
cazalla: that site is really relegated to archive.org ?
HeySteve: not sure why he needs the mantrap in the 1st place... but using cellphone in the bedroom is very bad form
HeySteve: it seems so :(
HeySteve: arrrg that's horrendous
BingoBoingo: Only marginally less bad, but still Not safe for life: https://slimgur.com/image/6wX
assbot: HEaPB - SLiMGUR ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMRcTe )
cazalla: HeySteve, how many bitcoin would it take for you to fuck her? 1? 10? 100? 1000?
HeySteve: it looks like she's made of cancer
HeySteve: don't think I could, without a blindfold and a crate of viagra
cazalla: 10k btc but you gotta lick the pussy
HeySteve: the creature's human-suit is melting
BingoBoingo: It looks like a Staph infection literally tore through its Fupa.
HeySteve: cazalla, not sure that would cover the psychotherapy
mircea_popescu: why the bra ?
mircea_popescu: im sorry, to rephrase. why just one bra ?
cazalla: i still don't grasp how anyone gets that big, really hope it is genetics as they claim
mircea_popescu: it must be liquids.
cazalla: must be some black hole type food that is just super dense with calories
mircea_popescu: soda, beer, icecream, that sort of thing.
BingoBoingo: <HeySteve> cazalla, not sure that would cover the psychotherapy << I'd be more concerned with other medical followup. I looks like it still has active cullulitis infection on its skin after surgical intervention to remove areas of active necrosis.
HeySteve: high fructose corn syrup is the culprit, so I've heard
mircea_popescu: dja mean cellulitis ?
HeySteve: BingoBoingo, don't know what cullulitis infection and afraid to search it
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> dja mean cellulitis ? << Yeah
mircea_popescu: staph fat infection.
HeySteve: but flesh-eating bacteria might be a solution instead of a problem here
BingoBoingo: Or biodiesel. Amoco Green was people!
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BingoBoingo: At this point I'm conviced the only reason the fat hate movement is being suppressed is because USG has officially adopted Obesity as a social control mechanism.
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mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/on-the-elaine-shi-and-andrew-miller-scam-ring/ <<< if anyone else feels inclined to voice their concerns re the fraud being perpetuated against umd, please do so, either towards the people there listed or anyone else you think appropriate.
assbot: On the Elaine Shi and Andrew Miller scam ring on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FEsdNW )
punkman: nice ;)
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cazalla: poor elaine shi cannot even redeem herself with a fuck with such an ugly gook face
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1177055 wow. seems doxygen has improved much since i last used it
assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 02:57:31; asciilifeform: https://dev.visucore.com/bitcoin/doxygen/walletmodel_8h_source.html << example, in use by enemy
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jurov: Kusturica believes, “RT will ever more demystify the American Dream and in primetime will reveal the truth hidden for decades from the eyes and hearts of average Americans.”
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shinohai: ^ that pic should be used in a bitcoind release
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lobbesbot: New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=133 (Marc Enger ; Marc Enger ; )
assbot: A month with BADONIONS ... ( http://bit.ly/1HkAdJw )
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lobbesbot: New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (ms@admilon.net ; )
mats: it flexs
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punkman: !up referredbyloper
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assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 12:45:28; punkman: https://chloe.re/2015/06/20/a-month-with-badonions/
assbot: Logged on 24-06-2015 02:49:18; asciilifeform: https://chloe.re/2015/06/20/a-month-with-badonions << lulzy. but for some reason author did not consider the possibility that isps snort downstream from known tor exits
PeterL: Anybody seen the movie "Horrible bosses 2"? It made me smile when it referenced bitcoin.
asciilifeform: 'Feb 16: 10:30am AVW 4172 !! Guest Lecture by Vitalik Buterin, founder of Ethereum.' << can't believe i missed this lulzfest that happened half hour's walk from my house.
assbot: Cryptocurrency Hot-shot Speaker Series - Spring 2015 | Maryland Cybersecurity Center ... ( http://bit.ly/1JnJ4MQ )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu probably read this speaker list, and understands why the dean of umd will not call the two 'heroes' to the carpet.
decimation: asciilifeform: I've noted an extremely pervasive "any cryptocoin but bitcoin" bias in academia, think tanks, and gov't
decimation: in my opinion it can be solely accounted for by "I wanna print money too"
decimation: ah and he's one of thiel's bois
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decimation: "She is also an advisor to Ripple, one of the most popular cryptocurrencies (currently second to Bitcoin in total cap). "
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: there's always next semester.
assbot: On the Elaine Shi and Andrew Miller scam ring on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RCXh7u )
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: they will have to feature some other scammer next semester
asciilifeform: (who will it be? gavin?)
pete_dushenski: wouldn't that be sweet
asciilifeform: not like there is any shortage of these.
pete_dushenski: mebbe usgbitfury will be there with their lightbulbs
pete_dushenski: or 21 and their comcastboxen
asciilifeform: i bet the ee labs are already providing gratis fab & debug service for those
pete_dushenski: 'masters thesis'
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell thestringpuller hope you like michael jackson http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/25/this-is-it/
assbot: This Is It | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1JnKeYC )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: with shame i admit that i not only took degree there, but was employed for a spell under the same roof ('umiacs') with these mega-heroes.
decimation: asciilifeform: of course, if they invited someone who actually knew about bitcoin
decimation: the conference would have been about telling uncomfortable truths
decimation: like, why are none of you actually reading the bitcoin code
asciilifeform: these are educated pseudoscientists, not 'tardstalk' denizens
asciilifeform: they know what they're doing.
pete_dushenski: right. they read code, liked what they saw.
decimation: that doesn't mean they know anything about bitcoin
decimation: but I would agree that they know from which master they get their pay
pete_dushenski: thought that, if anything, code needed moar feechures.
decimation: I could imagine a virtuous bitcoin conference
asciilifeform: why would a fly think that meat in the sun 'needs' anything other than some fly eggs ?
decimation: imagine dijsktra giving a talk on the various ways in which bitcoin code is horrifying
decimation: It's depressing that these people are 'paid to think' and are engaging with bitcoin at the level of the average new york times commenter
mircea_popescu: !rated lobbes
assbot: You rated user lobbes on 06-Feb-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: Well... he did teach himself how to view a directory....
assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 14:10:43; punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIX9ZmFWgAAfH5U.jpg
assbot: The shameful business model of Wilder Publications - Author Patrice Sarath ... ( http://bit.ly/1RCZIqI )
mircea_popescu: da fuck is this even.
mircea_popescu: "o, parents should tell their kids all about how a) they're smarter than kant and b) really, it was god not this evolution bs,"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/on-the-elaine-shi-and-andrew-miller-scam-ring/#comment-114627 << what line did they cross? if you read the guest speaker list linked a few lines back, it becomes clear that they are doing the will of His Reptilian Majesty
assbot: On the Elaine Shi and Andrew Miller scam ring on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RD0oMJ )
mircea_popescu: his reptilian majesty is still lying about its involvement in that particular scam.
mircea_popescu: the line they crossed is that they exposed their master, and yeah they're fucked.
asciilifeform: the thing's a rogue's gallery of buterin, the 'ripple' folks, a 'law prof' devoted to digging up precedent for 'regulating cryptocurrency', etc.
pete_dushenski: "and c) we've progressed so far since then, my little dearest, these words on this page from this kant feller are barely worth the paper they're written on other than for being so adorably archaic"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so it is. so what of it ?
asciilifeform: the figure of lizardhitler in this affair was never disguised in earnest. he simply wore the traditional kabuki mask, pro forma
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mircea_popescu: you're saying this as if their 0.5.4 has any bearing on anything.
asciilifeform: depends what means 'any bearing'
mircea_popescu: looky, there's very little point in constantly rehashing this particular form of learned helplessness thing you got going. i don't work that way, i never worked that way, it doesn't in any sense work. it can be a quaint curiosity if you wish, a peculiarity of a peculiar gentleman if oyu must. it can never be more than that and it can never have any impact or meaning in the world.
mircea_popescu: one wallace loh is going to be confronted with the particularly unpleasant dilemma of either saying "yeah mp was right, they were usg all along" or else fucking up an assistant.
mircea_popescu: he fucks up assistant profs for breakfast, it's his job.
mircea_popescu: and the rest of the "rogue gallery" will be confronted with the unpleasant dilemma that they're in the trenches, and either continue or get shot or else withdraw and get shot.
mircea_popescu: win win and bang bang all around.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the only reason the usg-tronic 'department of fucking with bitcoin' is even theoretically of interest is that the machine isn't perfect. has some rust, sand in gears (as discussed, e.g., yesterday, re: mempool etc.) in effect there is a $maxint bounty by hitler for anyone who can demonstrably amplify the hiccups.
mircea_popescu: more imporantly : every bureaucrat, no matter how low ranking, has an identical bureaucrat clone ready to take over, revving in a corner.
asciilifeform: not trying to frame this as a calamity, but as a force of nature
asciilifeform: can the roof keep out the rain ?
mircea_popescu: this is a fact. it's to be used, to hurt THE PEOPLE involved.
mircea_popescu: for all their pretense, they're people. they cry, they hurt, they get hungry and desperate.
mircea_popescu: this is why "no committee". get the names, ruin their lives, let them be replaced.
asciilifeform: why would prof. lysenko here get desperate unless the cheques start bouncing ?
mircea_popescu: we're not at war with the united states government. we're at war with the people making it up. governments don't exist, people do.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if memory serves, rarely has there been a more effectual bureaucrat than yezhov
mircea_popescu: his fucking pictures started bouncing at some point.
mircea_popescu: how ? why ?
asciilifeform: yezhov's was a complicated matter. in the sense that he wasn't 100% 'pet', showed signs of being willing and able to bite stalin. so had to go.
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asciilifeform: replaced with 'pet' (who, yes, may have pulled a borgia on poor old master. but quietly)
mod6: i generated some quick doxygen stuff... lemme put it up somewhere quick so you can look and see if it's ok.
asciilifeform: mod6: i must confess that i never once actually used 'doxygen' for anything. but saw the page linked yesterday, and it (at least if viewed in graphical www browser) does some nifty things, like unraveling class inheritances
asciilifeform: (though i am not certain if it does so automagically or needs embedded annotations that we lack)
asciilifeform: re: the umd wankatron: i will add a potentially interesting detail:
mircea_popescu: doxygen's a standard pretty much
asciilifeform: it is SOP for course www to remain unchanged until new syllabus is written (if and when the course is read again)
asciilifeform: so that thing may well stay up for a while, and no one ought to be surprised that it features a now-defunct chumpatron
mircea_popescu: it's archived, of course.
asciilifeform: naturally.
asciilifeform: just pointing out that the turtle is not by pure accident the symbol of that university, and life moves very slowly there.
mircea_popescu: it should be spilled milk. why should they be able to "change" ?
mircea_popescu: fuck 'em.
asciilifeform: it will be interesting to see when the linked page vanishes.
pete_dushenski smells bitbet prop
mod6: asciilifeform: ahh. ok well take a look at this: http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1/index.html
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asciilifeform: pretty neat
asciilifeform: esp. in comparison with the turdmeisters' copy, which is so bloated it makes my browser cry
asciilifeform: mod6: if you have time, consider putting up a second copy of this, but loaded with the 'bleeding' version
asciilifeform: (thermonukes, etc.)
mod6: all the way up through the IRC demolition?
mircea_popescu: in other news, it looks like (fingers crossed) might have seed up today.
asciilifeform: that's the version that i'm considering for public seed box, and it would be helpful to folks reviewing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: neato!
mod6: asciilifeform: lemme see what i can do.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that's a mighty fast sync.
asciilifeform imagines mircea_popescu syncing his node from pdp11 tape reels
mod6: do you want me to add in the { Gentoo Sanity } patches as well?
mod6: alrighty.
asciilifeform: these work now ?
asciilifeform: as in, can produce static binary ?
mod6: well they work in the context that these files compile without /those/ specific problems (i.e. namespace problems with boost), but we still have the gcc/uclibc issue.
asciilifeform: mod6: which issue? where linker barfs ?
mod6: yes. that.
mircea_popescu: poor guy, my heart goes out. "does this work ? " "well it works in the sense it takes the shit out of the soup. puss is sitll there."
mod6: just compiled it like 20 minutes ago again with my newest gentoo, still barfs.
mod6: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-gentoo-linux-uclibc/4.8.4/../../../../x86_64-gentoo-linux-uclibc/bin/ld: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-gentoo-linux-uclibc/4.8.4/../../../libc.a(jmp-unwind.os): relocation R_X86_64_PC32 against undefined symbol `__GI___pthread_cleanup_upto' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
mod6: same thing.
asciilifeform: mod6: have you tried building a minimal 'hello world' with pthreads under uclibc ?
asciilifeform: see if same thing
mod6: naw, haven't tried yet.
asciilifeform: i'd like to know which uclibc actually supports pthreads
mod6: i'll see if i can get to that here sometime today.
asciilifeform: (because we know that it does. threading is used in a number of proggies which come with 'buildroot')
mod6: ah
mircea_popescu: mod6 granted i'm rusty, but why are you making a shared object ?
mircea_popescu: isn't that dynamically linked by definition ?
mod6: i think that's referring to uclibc which is an .so perhaps
mircea_popescu: have you ever tried putting the actual uclibc source in there and trying a full bore static ?
mod6: /lib/libuClibc-0.9.33.2.so
mircea_popescu: my mind boggles that indeed source there present the compile should fail. i mean... copy / paste it in your own project for chryssakes, if ti comes to it, wtf is this.
mod6: yeah, im not really sure.
mod6: im getting to the point of 'out of my depth'
mircea_popescu: i'm not better, tbh.
mod6: i've tried like 3 different versions of gcc, with and without my special gcc patch shoehorned in, 2 different versions of uclibc. not quite sure what to think yet.
mod6: im sure i'll get it figured out.
mod6: here's the error along with the rest of the compilation of the source files from ~30 minutes ago: http://dpaste.com/2CT2N23.txt
pete_dushenski: mod6: have you posted a foundation 'guide' since 0.0.5 that i'm not seeing on the mailing list ?
pete_dushenski: i was working from 0.0.5 yesterday on debian 7 and all was going well until i had to edit/add 'auth.sh'
pete_dushenski: which is entirely my own thing to figure out, the instructions are clear
mircea_popescu: what's -fPic anyway
pete_dushenski: mod6: just wondering if new 'guide' is available or forthcoming
pete_dushenski: i figure that with all the traffic that the contravex '$20 node' article is receiving of late that it's time to update it with a proper install of 0.5.4
pete_dushenski: might as well take advantage of the extra eyeballs
mircea_popescu: mod6 perhaps something as banal as turning off BUILD_SHARED_LIBS in cmake ? on the grounds that these libraries won't be shared anyway ?
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mod6: <+pete_dushenski> mod6: have you posted a foundation 'guide' since 0.0.5 that i'm not seeing on the mailing list ? << nope. that version should cover everything up through the v0.5.3.1 release.
mod6: But, it's probably just easier to download the tarball yourself and extract.
pete_dushenski: mod6: sounds good. thx !
mod6: Now, for all the patches that have been submitted post-release, you need to apply those patches directly from the mailing list. No guide as of yet.
mod6: There will be an update at somepoint once patches are ratified and a new milestone rolled.
mod6: <+pete_dushenski> i figure that with all the traffic that the contravex '$20 node' article is receiving of late that it's time to update it with a proper install of 0.5.4 << We're not there yet.
mod6: But anyone is welcome to patch on their own.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 perhaps something as banal as turning off BUILD_SHARED_LIBS in cmake ? on the grounds that these libraries won't be shared anyway ? << yeah, worth a shot.
pete_dushenski: mod6: mkay. standing by then.
mod6: asciilifeform: I just did the following: extracted v0.5.3.1-RELEASE applied the following patches successfully { dnsseed_snipsnip, kills-integer-retardation, nubs-gentoo-sanity, orphange-thermonuke, orphange-tx-amputation, dns-thermonyukyoolar } but when I added the patch for IRC demo, got the following error:
mod6: anyway, will check back into that in a bit... maybe i did something weird. but i'm pretty sure it was the correct order.
mod6: while trying to figure out how to set "BUILD_SHARED_LIBS=false" or something, i ran into this; www.cmake.org/pipermail/cmake/2006-October/011418.html
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo incidentally, know what the "ex wall street executive" bought "bits of pay" for ?
mircea_popescu: seems to have been a "for free" acquisition, "just pay us our salaries"
mircea_popescu: nfi what "hyperledger" even is or was supposed to be, looks like pure accounting fraud but what do i know
ben_vulpes: "bits of proof"?
mircea_popescu: some derpy start-up thing. cointerra scammers "acquired", except not really.
mircea_popescu: apparently was still somehow owned by the ceo.
ben_vulpes: hm. i was thinking about some java btc thinger.
mircea_popescu: imagine, principals misrepresenting themselves as "CEO"s.
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ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, july looks to be a banner month
mircea_popescu: whassat ?
ben_vulpes: ~7 humans in office at full time
ben_vulpes: and there are like 2 other deals with 2-3 people apiece that have yet to die on me
mircea_popescu: time to get your very own receptionist.
mircea_popescu: "Not all, but close to all the states in the United States, the highest paid public official is the football coach at the flagship state university," says sports economist Allen Sanderson, at the University of Chicago.
mircea_popescu: i had no idea.
mircea_popescu: so basically they invented this system where they whore the kids out for free during the one time in their life when they're actually peak shape, for which reason ncaa made 1bn in ad revenue in 2012 to the professional league's 500mn.
mircea_popescu: and since all this extra money exists, it gotta go somewhere, adn well... why not the coach ?
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> what's -fPic anyway << position independant coe: Generated machine code is not dependant on located at a specific memory address to work. for example in the asm a jump can be to relitive address [ jne CURRENT+10 ] as opposed to say [ jne 0xDEADBEEF ]
mod6: s/coe/code
mod6: so a shared lib would be able to modfiy/change the addresses as needed to where the lib is loaded into memory.
mod6: ( for the example [ jne CURRENT+10 ] ), and for the non -fPIC code, the compiler will set these to specific memory addresses.
mod6: i.e. ( [ jne 0xdeadbeef ]
mircea_popescu: well, i'm out of my depth as you say, but it seems to me that importing the whole code into your own project and compiling it statically instead of creating shared libraries is the bedrock solution.
mod6: To be clear, shared libs /should/ be using -fPIC. If I understand this correctly.
mircea_popescu: it should yes
mod6: Ah... ok, i think I'm coming to some understanding here. I guess I didn't get that you were saying to compile uclibc /statically/ under our own project just the same as we have say, openssl or boost or bdb?
mircea_popescu: what else to do ?
mod6: yeah, certainly could be something to this.
mod6: I wouldn't have thought that we'd have to include a statically built linker...
mircea_popescu: me either, but again, what's to do ?
mircea_popescu: in any other case this would be a bulbously ugly hack, but here, it actually changes nothing
mircea_popescu: seeing how the pogo will have to run nothing else anyway
mod6: You'd think a linker should be able to produce a statically linked binary, weather itself is dynamcially built or statically built.
mircea_popescu: you'd think many things
mod6: haha. true.
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, bitcoin on pogo seems destined to end up melded in the kernel anyway, so this is just a sooner/higher up the tree merge than we expected.
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assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 06:26:20; mircea_popescu: iirc the faggots licked them. there's not much lower to go after that.
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jurov: i don't see any point for merging bitcoind to the kernel
jurov: and why you try so hard to have it statically linked?
mircea_popescu: the "kernel" only makes sense as a concept if multiple things are being run. if you can fully specify all the code that will run on the machine, that set of all the code IS the kernel.
mircea_popescu: that's exactly the problem with system-d, in other words.
shinohai needs to learn gentoo or something.
decimation: lol read Scalia's dissent
mircea_popescu: yeah, great read. what's it worth ?
decimation: "So it is not of special importance to me what the law says about mar- riage. It is of overwhelming importance, however, who it is that rules me. Today?s decree says that my Ruler, and the Ruler of 320 million Americans coast-to-coast, is a majority of the nine lawyers on the Supreme Court."
decimation: nothing
mircea_popescu: the one time they stole people's money in the 30s, there was some guy dissenting on the supreme court.
mircea_popescu: what of it ?
mircea_popescu: scalia's next step is to burn down the supreme court.
decimation: it's a good point
mircea_popescu: tons of people showed over the years before that same court "your honor i'm terribly sorry i stole and i am not going to do one damned thing about it".
mircea_popescu: now it's his turn.
decimation: "This practice of constitutional revision by an unelected commit- tee of nine, always accompanied (as it is today) by extrav- agant praise of liberty, robs the People of the most im- portant liberty they asserted in the Declaration of Independence and won in the Revolution of 1776: the freedom to govern themselves."
decimation: if he was consistent, he would be leading the next revolution I guess
decimation: "With each decision of ours that takes from the People a question properly left to them?with each decision that is unabash- edly based not on law, but on the ?reasoned judgment? of a bare majority of this Court?we move one step closer to being reminded of our impotence."
decimation: apparently he's reminded of his impotence
mircea_popescu: the us supreme court, along with the entire institutionalised hypocrisy system it represents, has no particular relevancy to the settlement of any point. it'd be about the same to ask them as to ask perez hilton.
decimation: well, that point became clear with the obamacare decision yesterday
mircea_popescu: should probably stick to discerning which fashions are fashionable and which are not, change the verbiage to "that's hot!" etc.
mircea_popescu: maybe revise the uniform to include small dogs.
decimation: actually I think it would be interesting if a state said 'fuck you, we ain't havin gay marriage'
mircea_popescu: that'd be outright secession.
mircea_popescu: it's what it comes down to. "we do not recognise the supreme court"
decimation: this whole thing reminds me of the bicker in the parlements before the french revolution
decimation: mircea_popescu: if you were to ask justice roberts, I"m sure he would say that he needs to 'save obamcare' precisely so that the supreme court 'retains legitimacy'
decimation: but if that's true, what kind of 'legitimacy' would this be?
mircea_popescu: i have no idea what the man would say, and i haven't asked him because i don't give a flying fuck what he thinks
mircea_popescu: on this or any other topic.
decimation: unfortunately, there are millions of people in the us who adopt these fashions as law
mircea_popescu: "(2) The history of marriage is one of both continuity and change.
mircea_popescu: fgucking unreadable, this crud.
chetty: the ripple effect will be interesting
mircea_popescu: unfortunately for whom and why'd i care.
decimation: ironically scalia himself is reduced to mocking the text too
decimation: "Rights, we are told, can ?rise . . . from a better informed understanding of how constitutional imperatives define a liberty that remains urgent in our own era.?24 (Huh? How can a better informed under- standing of how constitutional imperatives [whatever that means] define [whatever that means] an urgent liberty [never mind], give birth to a right?) "
mircea_popescu: urgent liberty lmao.
mircea_popescu: sounds like someone needed to pee.
mircea_popescu: why does all this crap read exactly alike, like the same uncultured louts wrote it all ? from reddit to gavin's "opinions" to the scotus majority opinion, all written by the same thirty year old hands that never read anything but summaries of summaries and never did anything whatsoever at all ?
mircea_popescu: you can tell what sort of people you're dealing with by the sort of rhetorics they favour. and this sort is pretty sad altogether.
decimation: and the peak of 'libertarian' achievement is to place someone like scalia on the court to old-man rant about what's going wrong
mircea_popescu: he was appointed by reagan if memory serves, and i don't see reagan would think much of your "libertarian achievement"
decimation: no, probably not
decimation: of course, roberts was placed on the court after everyone shouted down bush's idea to place his personal lawyer on the court
decimation: she probably would have made better decisions, not giving much of a fuck about gov't interest
chetty: roberts is one of regans biggest failures
decimation: no roberts was bush
decimation: you are thinking of souter
chetty: oh guess history is starting to run together ... sigh
decimation: nope, souter was bush the father
chetty: ah yes, soute, bah
decimation: kennedy
decimation: he was a reagan appointee
chetty: being on the court surely seems to poison a lot
decimation: I'm sure they get big important visitors every day telling them about the serious consequences of their decisions
decimation: I'm not sure how one would retain contact with reality
chetty: and maybe a little nsa arm twisting
mircea_popescu: by not giving a shit.
decimation: actually scalia threatened the nsa along those lines
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decimation: "Despite his intellectual interest in the application of the Fourth Amendment to the conduct of the NSA, he considers it ?stupid? to assume that the Supreme Court will have the last word on whether contemporary surveillance practices are appropriate. Why? Because the judicial branch is the ?least competent? arm of government to evaluate the effectiveness and need for intrusive electronic spying. ?The Supreme Court doesn?t know diddly,
mats: hm, terror incidents on three continents
mats: Daesh is coming.
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decimation: people drive cars into buildings all the time
mircea_popescu: lol is the qntra rabbit eating contraband ?
mircea_popescu: <decimation> in my opinion it can be solely accounted for by "I wanna print money too" << more like pure tim swansonism, "why should i have to do what i'm told", but anyways.
mircea_popescu: ;;ud daesh
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mircea_popescu: " She said she is staying about a mile from the main attack scene, but visitors there still took precautions by putting mattresses up against the door to slow any gunmen who might try to barge in."
mircea_popescu: lulzy, the maggots taking measures against the woodpeckers that might be coming in
mircea_popescu: "we put a walnut shell in the way!"
mircea_popescu: must be a pretty fun, exciting and fun vacation for the jwz's in question.
mircea_popescu: The RT network, Kusturica says, is destroying the “Hollywood-CNN stereotype of the good and bad guys, where blacks, Hispanics, Russians, Serbs are the villains, and white Americans, wherever you look, are OK!”
mircea_popescu: "'Nuclear war our likely future': Russia & China won't accept US hegemony, Reagan official warns" << they are pretty good at the propaganda angle.
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
mod6: ascii_field: here's a sample hello-world with pthreads: http://dpaste.com/29G0ZT0.txt
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
mod6: nice
mod6: not sure if you caught this:
mod6: <+mod6> ascii_field: here's a sample hello-world with pthreads: http://dpaste.com/29G0ZT0.txt
ascii_field: mod6: -lpthread
ascii_field: where is it
mod6: our make file has -lpthread in there.
ascii_field: aha there
mod6: mircea_popescu suggested that we should build uclibc statically itself inside of our bitcoin bundle.
ascii_field: mod6: thing is, at least for pogo, ~whole shebang~ is to be built 'inside bundle'
ascii_field: including own compiler
ascii_field: that's sorta how it works
mod6: so gcc as well then.
assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 15:22:38; pete_dushenski: i figure that with all the traffic that the contravex '$20 node' article is receiving of late that it's time to update it with a proper install of 0.5.4
mod6: ascii_field: ok, i guess i didn't get that part about gcc/uclibc being in there with openssl/boost/bdb.
mod6: oh, forgot to add in the ldd output for that pthread test: http://dpaste.com/33KYWZ4.txt
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1177574 << widely known. the one here gets >1M pretax
assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 15:53:21; mircea_popescu: "Not all, but close to all the states in the United States, the highest paid public official is the football coach at the flagship state university," says sports economist Allen Sanderson, at the University of Chicago.
mircea_popescu: well im not from around there. lulz of all time, rich coaches.
mod6: bread & circuses
ascii_field: (it is also widely known that the sport program at virtually all american universities is cash-negative)
mircea_popescu: how's that work ?
ascii_field: but this function has been outsourced to them, much like writing code for nsa has been
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: it works the same way the english literature department works, just with five extra zeroes on both sides of the balance sheet
mod6: ascii_field: oh, i did have an issue patching in that last IRC demo patch.... im gonna try it again, but it complained about net.cpp:ThreadGetMyExternalIP
ascii_field: mod6: try the following sequence:
mod6: (11:31) <+mod6> asciilifeform: I just did the following: extracted v0.5.3.1-RELEASE applied the following patches successfully { dnsseed_snipsnip, kills-integer-retardation, nubs-gentoo-sanity, orphange-thermonuke, orphange-tx-amputation, dns-thermonyukyoolar } but when I added the patch for IRC demo, got the following error:
ascii_field: dnsseed_snipsnip, orphange-thermonuke, orphange-tx-amputation, dns-thermonyukyoolar
mod6: ok, i'll give that a shot here quick.
ascii_field: the two i omitted are small and simple to merge back in when wanted.
ascii_field: they are only needed for the static build system and so i left them out deliberately
ascii_field: thinking that mod6 will roll them up into a 'static fix' patch
mod6: hmm.
mod6: maybe.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo incidentally, know what the "ex wall street executive" bought "bits of pay" for ? << NO idea about any of these parts yet
mod6: <+ascii_field> dnsseed_snipsnip, orphange-thermonuke, orphange-tx-amputation, dns-thermonyukyoolar << ok, yup, was able to extract v0.5.3.1-RELEASE and apply these four patches without incident.
mircea_popescu: bits of proof not bits of pay.
mircea_popescu: mah bad.
ascii_field: mod6: there we go.
mod6: do you want me to post the doxy for that as well then?
ascii_field: what i suggested was to have two dox pages, one for 'proper release' and one for this.
mod6: ah,ok
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assbot: bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches { dnsseed_snipsnip, orphange-thermonuke, orphange-tx-amputation, dns-thermonyukyoolar }: Main Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxIPbR )
ascii_field: mod6: irc.cpp is in there
shinohai: the doxygen is slick
mod6: <+ascii_field> dnsseed_snipsnip, orphange-thermonuke, orphange-tx-amputation, dns-thermonyukyoolar << oh, well you didn' say it in here ;)
mod6: i'll take it down, and add the irc patch
mod6: my bad.
ascii_field: ty mod6
shinohai: I still haven't done the irc patch. I need to stop being lazy
shinohai: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: shinohai: when you apply that patch, please be sure to read the instructions
ascii_field: (bitcoind will need to be told your box's ip)
shinohai: No problem, I don't want to break my sweet node xD
trinque: ascii_field: mod6: would there be any benefit to trying to get an ARM version of this gentoo install going on the pogo?
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1177634 << l0l, guess which country invented 'we had to destroy the village in order to save it' (TM) (R)
assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 16:30:52; decimation: mircea_popescu: if you were to ask justice roberts, I"m sure he would say that he needs to 'save obamcare' precisely so that the supreme court 'retains legitimacy'
trinque: I'm going to fiddle with my pogo this weekend anyway.
mod6: weird, same problem: dpaste.com/05ZZ443.txt
ascii_field: mod6: dpaste a copy of your net.cpp
mod6: ok
mod6: dpaste.com/0HMWFYN.txt
mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/0N2VFMP << what the fuck is this novel braindamage.
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mod6: (bbs)
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: we did this here
mircea_popescu: does curl actually ignore the -tsl flag or does the server go bonkos over ssl3 even being available at all or what the fuck is this
mircea_popescu: anbd why should i be debugging it
mircea_popescu: o we did ? what was it ?
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 13:03:57; mircea_popescu: curl: (35) Unknown SSL protocol error in connection to www.blockstream.com:443
ascii_field: and one other time, before, with phuctor
ascii_field: (me trying to pull from sks somewhere)
mircea_popescu: seems that's a different error and no solution was proffered
mircea_popescu: or am i misreading ?
assbot: Logged on 06-05-2015 23:40:00; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "OpenSSL: error:14077410:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:sslv3 alert handshake failure"
trinque: pogo project deferred or what?
mircea_popescu: ohhh right.
assbot: Logged on 06-05-2015 22:20:53; ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu ERROR: certificate common name “keys.mattrude.com” doesn’t match requested host name “keyserver.mattrude.com” << when fetching fresh sks from dulap
ascii_field: ^ start of thread
ascii_field: trinque: it can't fly until static build with uclibc
trinque: ah k
ascii_field: mod6: please post the net.cpp immediately prior to the failed patch
ascii_field: (i have my own 0.5.3.1 release one)
ascii_field: trinque: the fundamental problem with gentoo on pogo is that pogo is absolute misery to build ~anything~ on
trinque: I've got crossdev set up on the lappy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52600 @ 0.00038779 = 20.3978 BTC [-]
ascii_field: then no need for gentoo on pogo
ascii_field: straight to buildroot
decimation: re: football < it's also the case that professional us football uses the college teams as a 'farm system' for talent development, at taxpayer expense
ascii_field: (which is sorta like gentoo but minus all of the 'daily use' building-new-progs-on-the-box scriptage (i.e. 'emerge')
trinque: got it; I'll get more acquainted with that tool this weekend then.
ascii_field: decimation: it's a farm for just about any kind of talent
decimation: trinque: why not try to use the newest gcc to see if that bug is fixed?
decimation: ascii_field: but pro baseball has its own junior farm team system, don't need college
decimation: if you guys need to build gcc as part of the whole package, why does it matter what debian uses
trinque: decimation: so build the latest set of patches using whatever latest gcc?
decimation: yeah, or try it
decimation: it's possible the newest gcc fixes that one issue
decimation: with uclib static linking
decimation: also you need to be careful with the c++ related linking shit
decimation: the newest gcc might come with a newer version of the std c++ libs
decimation: you probably need to force it to work with C++ 03
decimation: since it is fashionable to change c++ every few years
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://cryptome.org/2015/06/tsarnaev-1481.pdf << lulzy. ianal, but still had no idea that usa officially had 'total' forfeiture in penal code (i.e., not simply 'items used in connection with the crimes,' but ~everything the schmuck ever touched~)
mircea_popescu: sounds novel
ascii_field: doesntit.
ascii_field: cribbed straight from soviet penal code
ascii_field: 'конфискация имущества'
mircea_popescu: the things the us will be remembered for are going to be so insulting to the historical usians...
mircea_popescu: almost like the things soviet russia is remembered for
mircea_popescu: or the third reich, for that matter.
ascii_field: 3rd reich 'nervously smokes in the corner' compared to the things 4th reich will be remembered for
ascii_field: (after all, 3rd 'died young and left a decent-looking corpse' - at least will be seen to have, in contrast!)
ascii_field: for starters, 3rd never managed (or even attempted) the feat of turning ~an entire planet~ into its toilet
ascii_field: 3rd ran medical experiments on a few thousand prisoners, 4th - on 300+ million schmucks
ascii_field: could go on.
ascii_field: the total confiscation thing pretty clearly wants to lay a foundation for 'condemned to cokemachine'
mod6: oh i think i know what i missed.
ascii_field: '...pursuant to rule 32.2(b)(3) of the federal rules of criminal procedure, the united states is hereby authorized to seize the forfeitable assets and maintain them in its secure custody and control.'
mod6: the zap patches
ascii_field: the 'not-a-real-journalist-so-forced-to-reveal-sources' case ('iphone 4' case, iirc) pretty much established precedent that 'inquest isn't punishment' iirc
ascii_field: and torture is more or less legal by usg's own rules if you are proclaimed 'terrorist'
ascii_field: so coke machine is not far.
decimation: ascii_field: well so this is criminal forfeiture right?
assbot: Why the 'devious defecator' case is a landmark for US genetic-privacy law : Nature News & Comment ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxRVp3 )
ascii_field: decimation: aha. what i was getting at is that there will be, in the near future, a very entertaining verdict somewhere,
ascii_field: where 'if he locked it in a safe, u.s. marshals may break the safe. if he locked it in his brain, same'
decimation: ascii_field: note that this is another amusing joke on the magna carta, in its 800th year
ascii_field: 'self-limiting' government is the ultimate joke
trinque: ascii_field: yep, will involve some kind of "cyber terrorism" scenario maybe
decimation: (20) For a trivial offence, a free man shall be fined only in proportion to the degree of his offence, and for a serious offence correspondingly, but not so heavily as to deprive him of his livelihood. In the same way, a merchant shall be spared his merchandise, and a husbandman the implements of his husbandry, if they fall upon the mercy of a royal court. None of these fines shall be imposed except by the assessment on oath of reputa
trinque: ^sounds like fag talk
ascii_field: trinque: not only this, but i also predict specifically that an automated (i.e. robotic, as in 'coke machine') system of interrogation and 'incentivization' will be specifically permitted by u.s. law
trinque: heh, shittier robocop
decimation: peices are already there with road tickets
ascii_field: for simple questions like 'enter brainwallet pw' this requires no heroic tech
trinque: it checks out
decimation: 'justice by mail'
decimation: ascii_field: the move 'elysium' featured this
assbot: Logged on 24-06-2015 17:28:42; ascii_field: it will be replaced - question of ~when~, not ~if~ - by something like an oubliette with a vending machine
ascii_field: decimation: i must admit, never saw that film
decimation: matt daemon was grabbed, shook down by police robot
ascii_field: but it's a rather obvious idea imho
trinque: the thing which sways my expectations away from such things is the seeming inevitability of a financial collapse
ascii_field: collapse only changes ~who~ will be placing ~whom~ in the machine
decimation: yeah. Steve Sailer thinks that Neill Blomkamp is pushing 'reactionary' plots into his movies, but dressing them up in such a way as to make them palatable to liber-tards
ascii_field: not whether the machine is built
ascii_field: or whether folks will grunt their last in it
trinque: maybe so
ascii_field: and, imho, doesn't change it very much
trinque: presupposes that the guy put into the machine is using something like bitcoin, doesn't it?
trinque: most wont be
decimation: the plot of the movie is that the us turns into shitty third world, and 'actual people' escape to space stations. the plot has some silly shit about helping out the little people, but I think Blomkamp's real point is "start building the space station today"
ascii_field: trinque: the gedankenexperiment specifically concerns bitcoin or any similar mechanism where answer from the 'patient' is instantly verifiable by machine
trinque: if the proportion of people using bitcoin stays small, I'd more expect holders to find themselves attacked in their own homes at night
ascii_field: decimation: again i have not seen this film, but it appears to have the usual nonsensical proviso that the 'space station' is a physical place which the plebes might hope to overrun and devour
ascii_field: in actual fact, the space station is right here on earth. mircea_popescu, for instance, lives in it
trinque will always fantasize about heading a couple million miles any which way
trinque: maybe when I'm 90
decimation: ascii_field: mircea_popescu et al will some day confront someone else who lays claim to their property in some way
decimation: it will be interesting to see the result
ascii_field: trinque: see mircea_popescu's observation about 'money/power' >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-04-2015#1090204
assbot: Logged on 07-04-2015 00:10:01; mircea_popescu: just like having a car doesn't alow having gasoline. it's true that often people who have cars also independently have gasoline, but the two are fundamentally unrelated, and there is such a thing as the fool's breakdown, ie, car's outta gas on the side of hte road.
ascii_field: eventually major btc holders will operate in ways similar to the character 'raven' from neal stephenson's 'snow crash'
ascii_field: who went around in a motorcycle with a sidecar containing hbomb
trinque: ascii_field: I see the point; if a fighter jet is not just itself but the entire apparatus which sustains its operation, all the more a space ship/station
ascii_field: trigger tied to a vital signs monitor
ascii_field: (if you're within 10km of his death, you're vapour)
ascii_field: if attempt capture - same
mircea_popescu: decimation how is this not the case today ?
ascii_field: at the low end of things, we can at the very least expect an uptick in popularity of sleeping with a frag grenade under your pillow.
ascii_field: the only solution to this kind of problem is game-theoretical
assbot: Logged on 25-06-2015 01:52:34; mircea_popescu: oleander blosom sees to it that's the last time YOU're running anywhere.
decimation: mircea_popescu: I don't recall you writing about confrontations with the local authorities over the amount of property owed to them?
mircea_popescu: your original was "someone else".
decimation: as in, 'the state or its agents'
mircea_popescu: there's for instance an open confrontation wit hthe state of new york over who regulates bitcoin
mircea_popescu: it already made a victim
mircea_popescu: that's now trying shamelessly to make ends meet by selling "compliance services"
mircea_popescu: plenty of examples.
ascii_field: is that fella 'making ends meet' or laughing himself to death while stoking his furnace with piles of benjies and coke ?
mircea_popescu: if i'm to ask you, the bug i crushed this moirning is laughing all the way to the toilet, too.
ascii_field not personal chum of his, doesn't know
mircea_popescu: in that "the argument could be brought"
mircea_popescu: and that "hey, i don't see any dent in the bug population"
mircea_popescu: and so on.
mircea_popescu: but the question was as to any. there's multiple examples of any-es.
ascii_field: well idk, but is lawsky living in a sewage pipe? or a house 50x the size of my hovel, with 'sleep ad libitum' ?
ascii_field: this question at least hypothetically has an answer ?
mircea_popescu: look him up next you're in ny.
mircea_popescu: public servant, lower ranks. he lives in a closet.
mircea_popescu: where does blasio live ?
decimation: my point was the local state, the one who could most ably summon an army to throw in jail
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as a "local state" however.
decimation: I'm sure someone in buenos aires is sitting in jail
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> 'self-limiting' government is the ultimate joke << the only limit on government is terrorism. the us has it spelled out in the constitution, "since the only limit to government is a well armed, well organized group of domestic terrorists, people should bear arms"
ascii_field recalls the b-a jail from voyage. it was a very old-fashioned, respectable-looking thing, at least by soviet standards. i'd not be ashamed to sit in it.
mircea_popescu: the fact that the fat have neglected it doesn't change it. you can similarly neglect to change the oil in your car, this doesn't make the car oil changes "a thing of the past"
ascii_field: ;;google tree of liberty blood
gribble: The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood ...: <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasjeff109180.html>; The tree of liberty... - Jefferson Quotes & Family Letters - Monticello: <http://tjrs.monticello.org/letter/100>; American Creation: Jefferson's "Tree of Liberty" Quote in Context: <http://americancreation.blogspot.com/2009/08/jeffersons- (1 more message)
ascii_field: ^ sound bite known to probably everyone who speaks engl.
mircea_popescu: decimation on the jail it is spelled out "Para quién hicieron la carcel? Si el rico nunca entra y el pobre nunca sale."
ascii_field: though iirc this was a graffiti by the reds ?
mircea_popescu: this is a country whose president had a prosecutor assasinated earlier this year.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BTR] 4000 @ 0.00111 = 4.44 BTC
mircea_popescu: local government indeed.
decimation: amusingly, it seems usians take government far more seriously
decimation: while simultaneously complaining of its overreach
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> or whether folks will grunt their last in it << i am broadly unconvinced by your theory. there aren't equal sides confronting each other here. i, for one, could not care less for any secrets usg-tard thinks he has.
mircea_popescu: welcome to take them to the grave, in silence.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: what i meant was that i predict btc extraction to become a standard part of execution
mircea_popescu: decimation the only reason the usg is its in present shape is the herd of bloviating hamplanets. nothing else.
ascii_field: regardless of who/whom
mircea_popescu: i don't.
ascii_field: curious, why not?
ascii_field: for instance, picture that you've caught herr karpeles
mircea_popescu: the morally responsible is jwz, not bush not anyone else. yes the president is getting beheaded, that's how symbolics work. and it is the job and the duty of the politico class to play the goat.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the guilty is always jwz. and for the obvious reason, too. "only wanted to X"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40600 @ 0.00039811 = 16.1633 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i am not actually profit motivated. i don't see catching her karpeles as a business, and i am not interested in doing it for a profit.
mircea_popescu: similarly, morning';s bug would have gotten crushed equally had it promised to unveil the Bug Saphire for me.
ascii_field: but if you had. and the contents of his sorry skin meant, say, five extra tank columns
mircea_popescu: i dun care to have the bug saphire.
ascii_field: that could be had
mircea_popescu: the republic lives on deficits anyway.
mircea_popescu: you can have it for his weight in soap.
decimation: !s jwz
assbot: 9 results for 'jwz' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=jwz
decimation: do you me sjw?
ascii_field: stalin, for instance, was not 'profit-motivated' by any measure. but did not refuse to pocket spanish republic's gold reserve.
ascii_field: (into sov. pocket, not his own. important distinction)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71400 @ 0.00041376 = 29.5425 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 02:23:12; mircea_popescu: http://www.jwz.org/blog/2015/03/google-seems-to-have-broken-email-forwarding/#comment-160814 << sweet innocence.
ascii_field: jwz has a very long history of being what he is.
ascii_field: in case anyone didn't know
mircea_popescu: what, a symbol for the unthinking fat ?
mircea_popescu: it's basically what this is, neoteny of poor eating habits. "i wanna eat just the cream" "it's unhealthy" "nevertheless"
shinohai: nice > "Para quién hicieron la carcel? Si el rico nunca entra y el pobre nunca sale."
ascii_field: as a remora
ascii_field: sorta like eric raymond
ascii_field: fella who is ~really good~ at attaching himself to the backs of 'happening' things
decimation: I thought jwz gave up on 'tech' and opened nightclub
ascii_field: i'm half-surprised he hasn't turned up 'in bitcoin'
mircea_popescu: apparently you can never get out of the fucking digital mafia.
decimation: about 99% of people 'in tech' carry his attitdue
decimation: "we don't need to worry about politics, just do what must be done" ,etc
mircea_popescu: everyone in the states does this
ascii_field: decimation: yes, there aren't many who'd refuse going back in time to be butt-buddies with andreessen
mircea_popescu: then they look at isis as "inexplicable"
ascii_field: (not gavin, but marc)
mircea_popescu: and putin doesn't understand how the world works, and so on.
decimation: well, entire generations were raised under the assumption that the us is in an overwhelming position of power w.r.t. the world
mircea_popescu: this is what memory hole effect is, too. "but they told me when i was five that it's ok to only turn my brain on if i hear a certain magic word"
mircea_popescu: ya baby. totally.
decimation: ^ also because those generations were raised by usg
mircea_popescu: alf is worried about connected machinery behaving strangely if it gets magic packet
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the citizenry behaves strangely if it DOESNT get it.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: in popular parlance, this is called 'fnord' iirc
ascii_field: although with a flipped sign bit
ascii_field: (iirc term came from same tale as the original lizardhitler)
mircea_popescu: as in "then the drones kept derping and dronfing about who knows what"
ascii_field: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Zawinski << pediwik has surprisingly minimally-sycophantic sum-up of jwz's life and times
assbot: Jamie Zawinski - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hl7h3V )
decimation: he probably edited it
mircea_popescu: who was the other accidental windfall victim who actually WAS into bitcoin ?
mircea_popescu: dude sold some bullshit news service to a bullshit media corp (yahoo maybe ?) for a billion
mircea_popescu: and kept losing money off of it like a gas giant
ascii_field: mod6: neato!
mod6: it's a goof-ball way to put in all the patches applied, but that link show's all the patches and how I applied them.
mod6: *shows
ascii_field: wai wat
ascii_field: it has highlighting of patches ?
ascii_field: where ?
mod6: no no
mod6: so at the top of the screen it says "bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches { http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/v0531-wPatchesApplied.txt }
mod6: that link in there shows which patches were used, and how they are applied. couldn't find a better way to do this at the moment.
ascii_field: looking for the graphical class inheritance charts the enemy www had
ascii_field: i can only guess those were produced via some other means ?
mod6: i think i've seen it, one sec.
assbot: bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches { http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/v0531-wPatchesApplied.txt }: bitcoin/src/noui.h File Reference ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hl7vIp )
ascii_field: yes, after the thing runs
ascii_field: (as mircea_popescu will remind us)
ascii_field: but that crud clutters up the source and makes my eyes bleed.
mod6: yeah, i don't like that either.
mircea_popescu: indeed removal of all crud is a beloved goal, and how this adventure even begun if you recall
mircea_popescu: we're trying to save the trees over here.
ascii_field remembers very well
mod6: i think it just ends up munging all of the file names and stuff.
ascii_field still just wants his fscking b00k!
mircea_popescu: ya somehow i thought you'd remember :D
mircea_popescu: apparently you're not old enough to need books yet
ascii_field: re: wx: it is in fact out, but sits behind a bunch of empty #ifdefs
mod6: so far, all i see are hierarchal graphs for base-classes/types. was trying to find something for CBlock, but I don't as of yet, see a graph.
mod6: like they have: [CBase58Data] <--- [CBitcoinAddress]
mod6: that type of thing.
mod6: if you show me what enemy has via link, maybe i can replicate it?
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2015 04:32:13; asciilifeform: 'digerati', as i understand, encompasses a set of peculiarly wealthy ('dotcom boom', normally, but often barnacled to this or that mega-corp success of some vaguely computerized sort 1980-2000)
assbot: Logged on 09-04-2015 20:03:03; ascii_field: i mentioned him at least once as specifically an example of a particularly vile species sometimes called 'digerati'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.00041747 = 5.0305 BTC [+]
mod6: !up ascii_field
mod6: ok thanks.
ascii_field: the caller graphs
ascii_field: specifically
mod6: btw, do you like that tree on the left pane? i added that, can remove.
mod6: oh ok, i see what you mean... yeah, i can try to get it to work on this side too.
ascii_field: the tree is useful
mod6: i kinda thought so too
mod6: oh i found it. CALL_GRAPH and CALLER_GRAPH were set to "NO" in the config file.
mod6: lemme regenerate both.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field yep node is actually starting up. will undergo some testing.
trinque: butt's shooped
mod6: huh, maybe those didn't do the trick...
mod6 keeps digging.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: and, in case anyone forgot that bitcoind was written by the diagnosably retarded, we get to choose between syncing exclusively from mircea_popescu's node ('-connect' mode) and getting to serve blocks to anyone
ascii_field: that is, can have one but not both
mircea_popescu: i don't see the problem with serving blocks ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: say i want to pull down chain from your node
ascii_field: (would like to)
ascii_field: in the process, my seed doesn't get to seed anyone.
mircea_popescu: yes yes, it's counterintuitively stupid.
ascii_field: it's riotously, enragingly stupid
mircea_popescu: (the production trick to solve this : have two instances running, have them share the files, have one not write)
mircea_popescu: just to get an idea of what stupid yields downstream
ascii_field: if i had to predict, would say this does not work as written - threads do not have deterministic behaviour, and bitcoind is peppered with pointless locks
ascii_field: whole thing is almost optimized for irreproducibility
mod6: ok now im building the graphs, just needed to install graphviz
mod6: there we go
mod6: will post
mod6: lol, this thing is 64Mb gzipped
mod6: lol, so many files it exceeds the abilities of mv & cp...
mod6: !up ascii_field
mod6: ok
assbot: dpaste: 271FHF9 ... ( http://bit.ly/1HlbmoQ )
deedbot-: Bad URL or network outage.
deedbot-: accepted: 1
mircea_popescu: ascii_field and anyone else interested ^
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: neato!
mod6: hey thanks mp!
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i recommend also (assuming you haven't done this ages ago) doing equivalent of disabling debug.log rollover (plug in teletype into that pdp-11...)
mircea_popescu: this, mind, is a mystery meat "mp-brand" bitcoind. iirc it identifies as 6.2
mircea_popescu: it is not the foundation one, which i am going to compile and run once the instructions come out.
ascii_field: well yes. but i am assuming it has some mechanism for keeping log
ascii_field: (if not, ignore)
mats: https://i.imgur.com/MePcKLj.jpg are you ready for the Islamic State Wrestling Federation
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha wut
mats: *john cena plays in the background*
ascii_field: mats: source ?
mats: not sure. one of my buddies linked it... prob one of the chans if i had to guess
assbot: ISIS forces boys to wrestle as they train to become next generation of killers  | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1LL3YCN )
ascii_field: ^ possible source
mats: looks right
mats: looks like good training too
ascii_field: the ritual described is at least as old as ww2. don't take my word for it, ask orwell >> http://www.telelib.com/authors/O/OrwellGeorge/essay/tribune/AsIPlease19441229.html
assbot: 29 December 1944 - As I Please - George Orwell, Book, etext ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hlcbho )
ascii_field: rezun has a very spiffy nearly book-length description of the ru version
mod6: <+mod6> asciilifeform: ahh. ok well take a look at this: http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1/index.html << updated with graphs
assbot: bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE: Main Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1LL5sgx )
ascii_field: mod6: very spiffy
assbot: bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE: CAddress Class Reference ... ( http://bit.ly/1LL5Ew4 )
ascii_field: better still,
assbot: bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE: CNode Class Reference ... ( http://bit.ly/1LL5QeN )
ascii_field: (the graphic)
mircea_popescu: "As is typical of a C++ program, a lot of code tends to end up in the header files
ascii_field: ~40% of the 'mass' in therealbitcoin is in headers...
mircea_popescu: whjy even bother at this point.
mod6: I wanna link these on the main page website.
mircea_popescu: just \call everything .bas
ascii_field just weighed it now
ascii_field: just about 38 sharp.
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mats: lol
ascii_field: l0l re: the rebranding of a very ordinary plumber's borescope sold pretty much everywhere
mod6: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47000 @ 0.00041676 = 19.5877 BTC [-] {2}
trinque: ascii_field: read that as firefox at first, thought it was a hell of a pivot for mozilla, lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57450 @ 0.0004184 = 24.0371 BTC [+] {4}
jurov: yes, spiffy, i'm surprised... guess btc. yt will be deprecated
ascii_field: in other news, the 5 repaired rng units pass.
ascii_field: (the vendor's explanation for why they failed was dpasted here a while ago, but will be reprinted in this month's broadcast.)
ascii_field: jurov: actually we really still need btc.yt thing
ascii_field: 'doxygen' doesn't appear to do the handy 'click this and see ~EVERYWHERE~ it appears' symbol concordance
ascii_field: why it doesn't - i have no idea
mircea_popescu: prolly needs some giggling
mircea_popescu: anyway this looks like it's going to be an epic b-a summer. phuctor delivered, eulora came, nodes are moving, apparently cardano as well,
ascii_field: the spice must flow. (tm) (r)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00041764 = 10.0651 BTC [-]
trinque decided to work through the mcclim tutorial today
trinque: I'm not at all impressed with the fact that when I asked for an education in CS, I was not presented with this.
trinque: the clarity of purpose, simplicity, sheer elegance of this thing trumps every other environment I've built things in
trinque: seems like an alternate history where the terminal concept developed further
trinque: rather than being replaced with a bunch of consumer friendly skeuomorphic shitware
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: trinque: lisp (and i specifically refer to the accumulated advancements which add up to commonlisp world, rather than the barf of that field's equivalent of 'glbse' - e.g., 'clojure', 'newlisp', other halfwit retardations) handily obsoletes most of what passes for 'problems in computer science' as taught
ascii_field: hence you were not taught.
ascii_field: they'd much rather teach 'usability'
ascii_field: or have you contribute to 'ethereum' for course credit
trinque: sure, and "marketable skills" like java, c++, or c#
ascii_field: at 'respectable' uni they make a show of not teaching as much of ^this as they could 'because this isn't trade school after all'
trinque: I'm on ch3 and I can already bind data to usable UI, selectively update the display, so on
trinque: in what, 15 lines?
mod6: <+ascii_field> in other news, the 5 repaired rng units pass. << nice!
ascii_field: trinque: now imagine if no part of the machine were exempt.
trinque shudders to recall how the same thing looks elsewhere
trinque: ascii_field: I can as a novice see the foothills at least
ascii_field: as in, want to put disk controller registers on the screen? go, do
trinque: mhm
trinque: everything expressed as the same kind of data structures
trinque: can sort of see it
mircea_popescu: i was kinda curious when his "Everything is sql" was going to reduce.
trinque: when I found time for this :)
trinque: I can see that did not go nearly far enough.
ascii_field: i'll note that lispmachine did not go far enough
ascii_field: in that it was still a von neumann arch
ascii_field: where cpu had to 'hand carry in a basket' from point a to b
trinque: we were sort of bolting postgresql to linux via foreign data wrappers like morons
ascii_field: rather than electrical connection in programmable grid
trinque: denying the underlying system like systemd does
trinque: "pay no attention to the linux behind the curtain"
ascii_field: gabriel_laddel had something in this spirit; i barfed
trinque: I tried to build his, couldn't
trinque: stuff sort of half worked
ascii_field: because the absolute worst thing that can happen is that this kind of monster ~walks~
ascii_field: i.e. that it 'works'
ascii_field: and folks start using.
ascii_field: and even - shudder - relying on it
trinque: yeah I begin to see why there's no real intermediate step here.
trinque: you end up getting lost taping the underlying thing to the interface forever
ascii_field: i spent the last 5 or so years looking for an intermediate point between here and ic fab
ascii_field: (so far did not find)
trinque: seems reasonable enought to resolve for the near term to just run sbcl apps on linux
trinque: for myself
ascii_field: until you want to do something like tcp
ascii_field: (yes, works. but now you have 'guts' in the works, and breakage paths that don't cleanly break into lisp)
trinque: and that's what corrupts the intermediate-step approach, it seems?
trinque: what I was trying to get at about tape
ascii_field: i actually had problems with serial ports when i did the robot thing
ascii_field: had to write a very ugly c hack
trinque: like I did a "commonqt" project
trinque: just ends up that I wrote c++ in lisp
ascii_field: yes, no way to glue qt in any rational way
ascii_field: it demands to own the world
ascii_field: (and it's been tried before)
assbot: Idolino: CMUCL Binding for Qt ... ( http://bit.ly/1GyphnD )
ascii_field: ^ i slaved to try and get that thing to run as a student
ascii_field: never worked
ascii_field: (not for me, at least)
trinque: commonqt ran fine; just that as I perceive it, utterly non-lispy
ascii_field: and at any rate, i barfed as soon as i discovered that you can't meaningfully compose qt widgets without diving back into the cpp shit pit
ascii_field: i.e. i wanted to bake a 'text edit' widget with clickable hyperlinks ~active during editing~
ascii_field: afaik, TO THIS FUCKING DAY not a SINGLE GUI TOOLKIT will let you do that.
trinque: it all sees the user as a derp that would never do such a thing
trinque: or do you just mean dynamically in the code?
ascii_field: to this day, afaik, i'm the only one who ever wanted this.
ascii_field: no toolkit will let you do this ~at all~
trinque: not even clim? or only it?
trinque: seems clim would
ascii_field: clim ~might~
ascii_field: problem with clim is that is does not actually work (with usable response time and reliability) on any extant system
trinque: all I want it to do is display some stuff from postgresql and let me edit data with reasonable performance
trinque: maybe click a foreign key and get the row it points to
trinque: so I can stop writing the same derpy app a thousand times
trinque: everything remotely like this is either garbage worse than excel or some shitty pile of JS (because that's what I want to do, edit my db over http)
trinque: anyone who has ever written an administration panel for a web thing has wasted his life
assbot: marmelab/ng-admin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1GyqUlj )
trinque: so on, all garbage
ascii_field: on an entirely other level, the kernel is also garbage
ascii_field: for fundamentally same reason
ascii_field: (it being, having been written by the blind.)
ascii_field: because when you can't physically connect arbitrary flipflops in the machine to the screen, you're - blind.
trinque: I'm not qualified to say, but it does look like yet another vast C monstrosity from the outside
trinque: dunno how anyone could ever reason about it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33700 @ 0.00042236 = 14.2335 BTC [+]
ascii_field: about items which 'fit in head', there can - on rare occasion - be reasoning.
ascii_field: about other kinds - only delusion of reasoning.
ascii_field: (plenty of delusion to go around, though)
trinque: reminds me of feynman's thing about "nobody's at the wheel" or something like that
trinque: can't find the actual quote; something about wanting to believe that there's some conspiracy in charge of the world because it's more comfortable than the reality
ascii_field: evidently he never hung out with brzezinski, mr. controlled-chaos
ascii_field: (or wishes us to think that he did not!!111)
trinque: heh!
trinque: clearly he was a part of the shadowy cabal himself
ascii_field: in other lulz,
assbot: French government orders Uber taxi ban after protests - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1GysdR9 )
assbot: One of two escaped US prisoners killed by police - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1GyssvB )
jurov: !up ascii_field
jurov: fellows, we have with mod6 noticed disconnect between patch IDs in mailing list and in release notes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00042236 = 7.4758 BTC [+]
jurov: part is that everyone seems to hate mailman renaming them to include the ID
ascii_field: i absolutely hate it
ascii_field: if i wanted garbage in the name, would put it there myself.
jurov: yes, you prefer to name everythign "turd", i know
ascii_field: the hash in the name is useless, because no one signs it
jurov: how should we (and, the poor system for tracking the signatures), keep them?
ascii_field: using the given names.
jurov: no, i won't
jurov: they are not iunique already
ascii_field: how is asciilifeform_ver_now_5_4_and_irc_is_gone_and_now_must_give_ip_ebed1af0253ef629bbef4bf2b2d1a94742a81f0e.patch an improvement over asciilifeform_ver_now_5_4_and_irc_is_gone_and_now_must_give_ip.patch ?
ascii_field: i never released anything lacking a unique and modestly descriptive name
jurov: much better that turd.patch
ascii_field: and afaik this goes for the others
ascii_field: where is this 'turd.patch' ?
ascii_field: link plz
mod6: this is supposed to outline how to name and number the patch: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-December/000022.html
jurov: ok ascii_field not turd , but this leaves things to be desired, too: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000033.html
jurov: mod6 you realized your patches are actually worst-named
mod6: why are they the worst?
ascii_field: jurov: also ought to remember, not all patches are meant as 'canonical' (that is, for eventual inclusion in the tree)
ascii_field: some can - must - only make sense in thread context
jurov: well, where is the context what is "portatronic" ought to be?
ascii_field: it was explained in painful detail in later discussions
mod6: i think the nomenclature is pretty straightforward. easy to use. you specify which base your coming off of, the patch name, and a number for any that are required to come before it.
ascii_field: but for those discussions to make sense, the patch had to be out there
assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 19:00:30; mircea_popescu: who was the other accidental windfall victim who actually WAS into bitcoin ?
mod6: anyway, i like the idea of a checksum for the patches. if we can somehow hvae that without it being in the name of the patch, that would be neat.
ascii_field: mod6: it's in the sig!
ascii_field: the checksum
ascii_field: that is the correct place for it
jurov: the problem is, when i receive detached sig later
ascii_field: why would these ever come apart ?
jurov: and user is unwilling to work with patch ID the system must somehow heuristically
mircea_popescu: 10.3M/s eta 1h 40m
jurov: match it to original submission
mircea_popescu: gotta love modern internets.
jurov: ascii_field: it was intended to allow other people to send singatures for patches ater they revviewed them
mod6: so after review you just expect or perhaps exepect to just see a .sig file attached alone without the patch itself?
jurov: that doesn't matter if alone or not
mircea_popescu: ascii_field idea was to have one file multiple sigs
mod6: lol, i need a flow-chart
jurov: there must be a way to refer to original submission
ascii_field: pull hash out of original sig
jurov: if not by ID, then people must meticulously keep adhering to original name
ascii_field: notice that you don't even need the patch file for this
ascii_field: no name shenanigans needed
jurov: there is lubrary for this?
ascii_field: just a copy of 'pgpdump'
assbot: pgpdump 1.5 : Python Package Index ... ( http://bit.ly/1GyvUq9 )
ascii_field: ^ library
jurov: iirc i have searched for something liek that but did not found it
ascii_field: ^ as used in 'phuctor'
jurov: you could tell earlier there's a way to get hash from signature
assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 21:29:11; mircea_popescu: 10.3M/s eta 1h 40m
mircea_popescu: well obviously.
deedbot-: rejected: 1
felipelalli: !s deedbot
assbot: 1100 results for 'deedbot' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=deedbot
mircea_popescu: !gettrust assbot felipelalli
assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user felipelalli: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=felipelalli | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/felipelalli/
mircea_popescu: ED5CDE14 that's the right key...
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1178148 << will add to this. in every single field i dive into, i find these 'lisps' - i.e., the ~actual~ state-of-the-art buried under piles of shit strategically crapped out by one, two, more generations of mediocrities
assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 20:43:32; trinque: I'm not at all impressed with the fact that when I asked for an education in CS, I was not presented with this.
felipelalli: mircea_popescu: Signature made Sex 26 Jun 2015 18:32:29 BRT using RSA key ID ED5CDE14
mircea_popescu: sex srsly ?
mircea_popescu: trinque any idea why deedbnot barfs at him ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field they're merely trying to survive and perpetuate, them mediocrities.a
ascii_field: aha, like cockroaches
mod6: ascii_field: hey, i'm having a tough time getting the hash itself out of a sig file of mine with that python version of pgpdump. which flag should i be using; i've tried 'em all
ascii_field: mod6: -a
ascii_field: and -i
deedbot-: rejected: 1
felipelalli: trying with dpaste now. :/
mod6: dpaste.com/1G0JNPE.txt
trinque: lemme see
trinque: it's not the site though, I'm allowing any
jurov: !up ascii_field
jurov: app-crypt/pgpdump indeed does not show the hash (and it's not python but binary)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53900 @ 0.00041928 = 22.5992 BTC [-] {2}
ascii_field: wrong pgpdump
jurov: and dev-python/pgpdump has docs dunno where
ascii_field: (yes, there are two proggies by same name)
mod6: it's the one you linked above though 'H?
mod6: *eh
ascii_field: jurov is right though, the one for which i gave the args is the c proggy
ascii_field: the py one comes with example code iirc
jurov: ic
deedbot-: rejected: 1
trinque goes to slap deedbot- around in private
felipelalli: the bot is in a bad mood today.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56050 @ 0.00040243 = 22.5562 BTC [-] {2}
mod6: ok, i think this thing installed, but i can't figure out how to get it to run lol.
mod6: good ole python
mircea_popescu: bah. from the wunderbar world of undocumented linux gotchas : if you're transferring a file over 2gb, either curl or wget will go into "download one burst, rest for 30 seconds" mode and that's that.
mircea_popescu: !up ielo
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: never saw this!
mircea_popescu: me either, before now.
ascii_field: not on any box of mine
ascii_field: and i routinely move 100G+
jurov: looks like server problem
mircea_popescu: 26.5G 0 32.3M 0 0 54811 0 6d 00h 0:10:19 6d 00h 86885
mircea_popescu: 26.5G 0 32.6M 0 0 54181 0 6d 02h 0:10:31 6d 01h 0
ielo: mircea_popescu, < why does this retard gossip like a 12 year old and you guys believe it?
mircea_popescu: get a load of that.
mircea_popescu: the thing will burst ~3mb, then stop. then burst again then stop.
mircea_popescu: ielo who are you exactly ?
ielo: mircea_popescu, i'm just sick of your shit you've independently claimed like 3 people i know are scammers and your life is literally gossiping on the internet
ielo: sorry i think you need to stop
jurov: anyway, looks pgpdump monkeys never bothered to pull actual hash out :/
jurov dons gloves
mats: jurov: say again?
ielo: mircea_popescu, i think you need mental help
mats: ielo: which people? name them.
ascii_field: anybody got a vivisection table open for the monkey ?
trinque: if only we had the nordic system, somebody would help poor mircea_popescu
ascii_field: mine are occupied
ielo: amir taak, andrew miller 2 main ones
mircea_popescu: they have the southern system here.
jurov: mats the data structure i get does include "hash_algorithm" but ntohing resembling actual hash
mats: oh, those are scammers.
ielo: you are such a shitty person
mats: sorry bud
mircea_popescu: maybe if your friends would stop scamming / being retarded pieces of shit i wouldn't have to care about their otherwise meaningless existences ?
ielo: fuck off
ielo: mircea_popescu, you literally dedicate your life to gossiping about shit you know nothing about
mircea_popescu: seriously, taaki ?
ielo: sorry but i remember you
ielo: from bitcoin conference in london
ielo: you are such a piece of shit
mats: jurov: are you saying a pgpdump fn you are calling is misbehaving?
mircea_popescu: ielo would this be the conference where tyhat fucktard nefario told everyone about how mpex is going to be going to jale two weeks before going to jale ?
mats: trying to figure out if its the library or the thing you're wrenching is at fault
mats: i am using pgpdump for a project and this is relevant
ielo: mircea_popescu, you are the fuckface what the fuck have you done for bitcoin? you literally called an asian woman a gookface, what the fuck kind of person are you?
mircea_popescu: motherfucker. and ~confirmed~ that the problem does not exist for files under 2gb.
mircea_popescu: what the fucking hell already nothing works!
ielo: its really sad that this is your life
mircea_popescu: 1 28.5G 1 314M 0 0 10.0M 0 0:48:17 0:00:31 0:47:46 13.7M
jurov: mats as the .sig file verifies, the hash must be therein
mircea_popescu: i guess im back to slicing archives. ima call them .rar too, in memory of the old days
mircea_popescu: back when everything fucking worked.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: you can still get actual rar..
mircea_popescu: anyone know right off how i slice a file into fixed sdized chunks ?
ascii_field: 'split'
ascii_field: e.g., 'split -b 2048m foo.gz'
mod6: yeah split
mircea_popescu: split is slow.
mircea_popescu: anyway, ascii_field, apparently the dean is asking some questions eh ?
ascii_field did not expect any response
ascii_field looks for hat to eat
mircea_popescu: chicklet's the sister of one/wife of the other or viceversa.
ascii_field: what kinda questions
mircea_popescu: so yeah, why do you people believe me that in fact miller & elaine whatever actually ran an unapproved scam on u of maryland dime ?!?!?
shinohai: @ ielo Sr. mircea_popescu is quite adept at revealing scammers is probably why.
ascii_field: the one part i'm unclear on is why the scam needed programmers at all
ascii_field: iirc 'ethereum' never shipped gadget
mircea_popescu: you read that story about the guy developing a drm thing for the palm pilot ?
mircea_popescu: because that's how you hoodwink investors, that's why!
mats: the coward fled already, felipelalli
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
felipelalli: thank you mats! Should I retry or my doc is already published?
ascii_field: vaguely recall the drm thing
mats: er, trinque is the maintainer
ascii_field: 'market wants fuffles'
trinque: working on it bud
trinque: I'll make sure it goes out
trinque: just python string nonsense; I should've written this part in bash
felipelalli: Ah! The problem is the "ã" char!! hahahah
mircea_popescu: ohohohoh. more python spaghetti ?
trinque: felipelalli: as always
trinque: this is just about past my shoot-in-head threshold
felipelalli: GPG is a little tricky with charsets.
trinque: gpg likes your doc just fine, and python has your doc as a string identical to what was provided
trinque: smells like python-gnupg being a piece of shit
mircea_popescu: split just crashed o.O
ascii_field: yeah at some point ~new~ phuctor will run over all the weirdos with non-latinate chars in namestring of key
felipelalli: the bod would cry with a Japanese doc!! :D
assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 22:20:15; mircea_popescu: split just crashed o.O
trinque: felipelalli: ascii was good enough for the lord and it's good enough for me!
mircea_popescu: atm i suspect it's doing something windows-retarded like "load whole file in memory, split it as a php array, write the result through type conversion"
felipelalli: asciilifeform agreed.
jurov: mats, ascii_field pursuant to http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4880#section-5.2.2 ,the pgpdump lib stops parsing right on the "Two-octet field holding left 16 bits of signed hash value" and does not go further to decode the signature
assbot: RFC 4880 - OpenPGP Message Format ... ( http://bit.ly/1fKM09u )
jurov: teh joy
felipelalli: That's why Bitbet.us hate weirdo chars?
mircea_popescu: it's slower to split than to upload o.O
felipelalli: trinque: if I add the option --charset=utf-8 when signing, helps something?
trinque: felipelalli: nah your doc's fine
mircea_popescu: jurov motherfucker! WHO DOES THESE THINGS
mircea_popescu: srsly, two octets should be enough for everyone ? this is how it is ?
jurov: yes, apparently they balked at decnsing "pkcs1" stuff
jurov: *decoding
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform srsly, split takes 10 minutes for a 1 gb. upload takes 1 minute.
jurov: alternatively, maybe curl can be asked to download ranges (if server supports it)
mircea_popescu: i tried that with -C but no dice.
jurov: what's on the other end?
mod6: can you use rsync instead?
jurov: maybe there's some dummy PHP script on server that chokes when hit 2G mem limit
jurov: (obv such tasks should bypass PHP completely)
mircea_popescu: i dun think php is in any way involved.
mircea_popescu: mod6 i think i will try rsync yeah
mircea_popescu: so far this has been an exercise in ridiculous.
deedbot-: accepted: 1
mats: jurov: and this behavior is the same across c pgpdump and python port?
mod6: ~ how big is the file?
mircea_popescu: bout 40 gib
mats: port as to be found on 'pypi'
mod6: ah, well, if you hvae a solid inet connection you can always try scp as a last resort if you have a shell on the target environment too.
trinque: I "fixed" that by telling python-gnupg to use utf-8 internally as per their docs
trinque: that iirc might've caused problems with *other* characters (though I don't recall which) so someone ping me if they have trouble with that in the future.
mats: sorry for repeated queries, am mobile atm
jurov: mats, since the python one is written to be "inspired by C pgpdump", it's very likely it does not, too
jurov: trinque what???
trinque: jurov: what what
trinque: ;;later tell felipelalli your doc went through
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: trinque: oh nm, you' re about deedbot, not about RFC 4880
trinque: ah yeah
jurov: and no pkcs py decoding code in sight. apparently imma invert this by hand: https://github.com/bdauvergne/python-pkcs1/blob/master/pkcs1/emsa_pkcs1_v15.py
assbot: python-pkcs1/emsa_pkcs1_v15.py at master · bdauvergne/python-pkcs1 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1CzaqYB )
trinque: "presentation types" << o hey look another thing I built shittily in der database
assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 22:04:45; ielo: mircea_popescu, you are the fuckface what the fuck have you done for bitcoin? you literally called an asian woman a gookface, what the fuck kind of person are you?
cazalla: can't help but think of this scene when somebody asks what the fuck type of person are you? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaBP522x0xI
assbot: GoodFellas Full "What's Wrong With You" Scene - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1fKSIwo )
jurov: The concatenation of the data to be signed, the signature type, *and creation time* ... is hashed.
jurov: ^ so the sig is useless for out purposes
jurov: *our
jurov: asciilifeform: ^ we're back to using our own patch hashes somehow
mod6: i can't figure out how to get the hash out either, the best i've seen is that "digest algo 10, best of digest 23 49" gives you 2 bytes.
mod6: s/best/begin/
jurov: mod6 they append date and whatnot to data prior to hashing anyway
mod6: oh, is that per the RFC you pastd?
jurov: ya
jurov: the PGP monkeys just did not foresaw any need to put into signature hash of signed document alone
mircea_popescu: wait what ?!
mircea_popescu: cazalla lmao srsly ?
mircea_popescu: i thought that btcentralplus.com thing is in england.
mod6: haha cazalla, great movie.
mircea_popescu: cazalla Jun 26 16:23:33 *amiller (~socrates1@unaffiliated/socrates1024) has joined #bitcoin-assets << also ?
cazalla: word spreads quickly eh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00039016 = 6.9448 BTC [-] {2}
mats: !up amiller
mats: what brings you here, amiller
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49850 @ 0.00039258 = 19.5701 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47350 @ 0.00038934 = 18.4352 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00039258 = 7.6553 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00039258 = 4.7698 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32563 @ 0.00039258 = 12.7836 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24150 @ 0.00039258 = 9.4808 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17323 @ 0.00038953 = 6.7478 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40877 @ 0.00038779 = 15.8517 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25170 @ 0.00038736 = 9.7499 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: PGP Key Generator - iGolder ... ( http://bit.ly/1QV0ZhQ )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39787 @ 0.00039258 = 15.6196 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32228 @ 0.00038939 = 12.5493 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39671 @ 0.00039991 = 15.8648 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22750 @ 0.00040161 = 9.1366 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00040198 = 10.1701 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38400 @ 0.00040198 = 15.436 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17914 @ 0.00042164 = 7.5533 BTC [+] {3}
decimation: mats: is that server-side or does it generate key in javascript?
decimation: mircea_popescu: is your "forever living" comment a slight on "young living"?
mats: it looks like its all js but i have a shallow understanding of how things in the browser work
decimation: mats: yeah because server-side would be obviously retarded
mats: or genius
mircea_popescu: no, thereeis scam
mircea_popescu: ;;google forever living aloe vera
gribble: Forever Living Products - Benefits of Aloe: <https://www.foreverliving.com/marketing/Page.do?name=benefits>; Aloe Vera Gel - Forever Living Products International: <https://www.foreverliving.com/marketing/Shop.do?productCode=015>; Forever Living Products | Aloe Vera Products | Multi-Level Marketing ...: <https://www.foreverliving.com/>
mircea_popescu: they sell aloe vera for everytying
mircea_popescu: (/me has once rescued a well bosomed oyung lady from their old womanly clutches)
decimation: no doubt some plant extracts can solve medical issues
decimation: but often these mlm schemes charge $$$ for dubious products
mircea_popescu: this thing is strictly separated from any consideration but sales.
mircea_popescu: aloe vera is useful in dermatology.
mircea_popescu: they're selling two gallon potable extract
mircea_popescu: yes, vegetal goop is potable. no, there's no reason to pay 95 bux or w/e
decimation: I've had aloe vera yogurt before
decimation: it was weird
mircea_popescu: incidentally ben_ meh
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell ben_vulpes incidentally, were you explicitly setting -irc Find peers using internet relay chat (default: 0) flag ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25736 @ 0.00042369 = 10.9041 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00041848 = 1.6321 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45423 @ 0.0004237 = 19.2457 BTC [+]
assbot: already have block - causing bandwidth to be wasted - vicious circle? · Issue #1120 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1TTgCpc )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the article or the effect described therein ?
mircea_popescu: "works as intended"
asciilifeform: almost certain i've seen the effect.
asciilifeform: in fact, this ~is~ the bastards thing innit.
asciilifeform: aaaand notice what the bugger proposes as 'solution on the way'
asciilifeform: under 'Closing, as it "works as intended". Pull requests to speed up block downloading are on the way and could use testing, see #2964.'
asciilifeform: guess what 2964 was.
mircea_popescu: i linked you lol, i dun need to guess
asciilifeform: addressing studio audience!
decimation: delete all txns without valid blocks on disk?
assbot: Logged on 27-06-2015 02:10:49; mircea_popescu: aloe vera is useful in dermatology.
assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 07:14:51; BingoBoingo: Some BUtuchyag grade Fatlogic. Measuring HamPlanets in pounds AND GALLONS, by their own request https://slimgur.com/images/2015/06/26/726940d391d962a57fc6f5f1e83092c4.jpg
assbot: CMSC 818I: Science of Crypto-Currency ... ( http://bit.ly/1SRrmCS )
asciilifeform a little surprised
decimation: asciilifeform: you should audit the class
asciilifeform: decimation: 8xx is grad class, they don't let civilians in
mircea_popescu: i really dun expect it'll soon go down.
asciilifeform: decimation: plus it's in working hours
decimation: ah yeah
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26941 @ 0.00042 = 11.3152 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 27-06-2015 02:46:03; decimation: delete all txns without valid blocks on disk?
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah I was being silly
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 362724 | Current Difficulty: 4.969238635489384E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 362879 | Next Difficulty In: 155 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 0 hours, 38 minutes, and 8 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
decimation: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 243.04, Best ask: 243.13, Bid-ask spread: 0.09000, Last trade: 243.13, 24 hour volume: 10324.91808216, 24 hour low: 240.61, 24 hour high: 243.9, 24 hour vwap: None
mircea_popescu: no changes eh.
decimation: so much for bitcoin instability
decimation: it's more stable than eurusd
mircea_popescu: well, it's for sure more stabilizing.
assbot: Logged on 27-06-2015 01:09:10; mats: https://www.igolder.com/pgp/generate-key hue
asciilifeform: does every derpatron have its own
decimation: asciilifeform: if done in javascript it's not immediately stupid
decimation: other than "why?"
asciilifeform: immediately stupid in the same way keybase is
decimation: it's possible it doesn't upload the privkey immediate
asciilifeform: doesn't need to
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00040718 = 3.7868 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: 1) did you read the thing. ~every time you loaded it~ 2) does your browser access /dev/random ?
decimation: yeah I was about to ask where the entropy for the rng comes from
decimation: don't tell me it's from server
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-06-2015#1178572 << this is ~not~ in 0.5.3. it had only '-noirc', default off.
assbot: Logged on 27-06-2015 02:16:03; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell ben_vulpes incidentally, were you explicitly setting -irc Find peers using internet relay chat (default: 0) flag ?
mircea_popescu: ah did it ?
assbot: Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/init.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1SRt87d )
assbot: Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/irc.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1SRtdaJ )
asciilifeform is not proud of having that thing live in his head now - it's gotta be good for something like mental equivalent of 'black lung disease' - but it can be handy
mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/14HRFX8 << quick and dirty census off a few hours of a single node running.
assbot: dpaste: 14HRFX8 ... ( http://bit.ly/1SRtB9o )
mircea_popescu: version 70002 - 50 version 70001 - 9 version 60001 - 9 version 60000 - 1 Total - 69
assbot: PGP Key Generator - iGolder ... ( http://bit.ly/1SRtH0C )
asciilifeform: did nobody ~read~ the src!
asciilifeform: l0ltr0n1c!
mircea_popescu: (server itself is declaring 60001, and im unsure what the foundation nodes will say. 50001 maybe ?)
assbot: bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches { http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/v0531-wPatchesApplied.txt }: bitcoin/src/serialize.h Source File ... ( http://bit.ly/1SRtXN8 )
asciilifeform: is what it'll say.
asciilifeform: see, www with src is handy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16039 @ 0.00040718 = 6.5308 BTC [-]
decimation: asciilifeform: wait the server gens the whole key?
mircea_popescu: not the client version tho, the proto version.
asciilifeform: decimation: go, look
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as there's two. "version" : 60200, "protocolversion" : 60001, for instance
decimation: asciilifeform: I don't see any crypto code in the javascript, but it's not a very familiar language. I do see an input form with a submit mechanism
decimation: https://bloodyshovel.wordpress.com/2015/06/17/public-speech-is-a-bad-idea/ < heh, even 'gay in tech' sam altman loses against sjw
assbot: Public speech is a bad idea | Bloody shovel ... ( http://bit.ly/1SRuIFX )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24050 @ 0.00041304 = 9.9336 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "runs for them a short part of the way and for us the whole way".
mircea_popescu: the entire shitfest is going to be killed by its own methods.
mircea_popescu eagerly pushing the sword in every chance he gets.
mircea_popescu: singing "you've made your one nail bed, now lie in it" to a happy tune.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, "We shall drown, and nobody will save us" is exactly right. they shall, drown. nobody will, save them.
decimation: well, his reasoning is sound, people have no business on twitter
mircea_popescu: he does not get to avail himself of this soundness.
mircea_popescu: he is part of the entire shebang pushing "twitter as a business - business as a twitter"
mircea_popescu: what's next, "quisling has a point - people should stand up for what they believe in" ?
mircea_popescu: not a point sam altman may ever have. his points, such as they are, must be of an entirely different nature.
decimation: ah I thought you meant spandrell
decimation: yeah altman is getting his just deserts
mircea_popescu: i dunno about spandrell ever, but who cartes. "note that altman is gay in tech and that didn't save him" ? fu nutso boi.
mircea_popescu: s/ever/either/
decimation: he's one of those on the fringe of the 'reactionaries'
decimation: I think he might actually live in china
mircea_popescu has no idea, so wont' comment.
decimation: he has some interesting posts relating chinese history: https://bloodyshovel.wordpress.com/2015/06/06/giving-the-handle/
assbot: Giving the handle | Bloody shovel ... ( http://bit.ly/1SRvDpW )
decimation: ?You don?t get it?, says General Wang. ?The emperor is a suspicious man. He doesn?t trust anyone. Right now I have under my command 600,000 men, the entire army of the country. Every once in a while he must be asking himself: ?What if this Wang Jian guy rebels against me??."
decimation: And even if he doesn?t ask himself, there?s always an annoying eunuch paid by a rival general trying to backstab me, saying that I am famous and honorable, and that the opposition might rally around me, that I?m too powerful and must be killed sooner rather than later. Only by openly displaying that I am a vile, corrupt character who only cares about money, can I make the king trust that I have no higher ambition.?
decimation: And so Wang Jian kept sending messenger asking for stuff, and the King never suspected his loyalty. He liked his pettiness. Wang Jian went forward to invade Chu, destroy its armies, capture his king, and annexed the country into the soon to be Qin Empire. He went back home, and very unusual in a famous general, died a peaceful death.
decimation: ^ the king (Ying Zheng) was the guy buried with a massive terra cotta army
decimation: whose tomb is apparently still intact, and is rumored to contain an entire map of china with all the rivers made of mercury
mircea_popescu: mercury evaporates.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32866 @ 0.000414 = 13.6065 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: apparently they don't wanna open the tomb until they can be sure they won't ruin it
decimation: heh from la wik: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qin_Shi_Huang < "Mao Zedong, chairman of the People's Republic of China, was reviled for his persecution of intellectuals. On being compared to the First Emperor, Mao responded: "He buried 460 scholars alive; we have buried forty-six thousand scholars alive... You [intellectuals] revile us for being Qin Shi Huangs. You are wrong. We have surpassed Qin Shi Huang a hundredfold. When you ber
assbot: Qin Shi Huang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1SRwx5O )
mircea_popescu: !up Saoquim
asciilifeform: decimation: mega-emperor. to me he is ~the~ emperor of cn, very overworked subject in books on the place i had as a kid
asciilifeform: esp. re: the 'immortality' business
decimation: yeah, according to la wik the traditional historiography focuses on his immortality 'schemes'
asciilifeform: died, iirc, of one too many 'immortality pills'
asciilifeform: 'forever living' ! (tm)
decimation: yeah as i recall he took mercury pills
decimation: asciilifeform: did you even play 'romance of the three kingdoms' on nintendo?
asciilifeform: on emulator
asciilifeform: but - yes.
decimation: yeah, it was fun with a group
decimation: although the menu scroll became annoying
asciilifeform: it was one of the things that made me go 'folks played games on machines without keyboard ?!! how??!'
decimation: heh. 'we didn't know better'
decimation: although I also enjoyed several classic dos games like master of orion and x-wing
asciilifeform: to me, msdos was ~the~ games platform
asciilifeform: still is!
decimation: I believe early nintendo had keyboard (sold in japan)
asciilifeform: aha, 'famicom'
decimation: for some reason they declined to enter the 'cheap computer wars'
asciilifeform: when i heard of it, i couldn't help but parse it as 'famine' rather than the intended 'family' - console
asciilifeform: they declined to fight in the 8bit comp wars, and... we still have a nintendo co. to kick around
asciilifeform: unlike cbm, atari, et al
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