#trilema | 2015-06-09

gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 230.58, Best ask: 230.59, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 230.59, 24 hour volume: 28639.34531439, 24 hour low: 225.07, 24 hour high: 232.07, 24 hour vwap: None

wyrdmantis: ;;bc,stats

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29970 @ 0.00036723 = 11.0059 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73308 @ 0.00035592 = 26.0918 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50792 @ 0.0003539 = 17.9753 BTC [-]

punkman: shinohai: hah, good one

jurov: ;;calc 750/12

gribble: 62.5

jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157536 << if each chump is worth $62.5 on average

assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 02:53:51; trinque: how in the fuck is github worth anything let alone 750mil

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10982 @ 0.0003539 = 3.8865 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90790 @ 0.0003583 = 32.5301 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58915 @ 0.00036457 = 21.4786 BTC [+]

wyrdmantis: any thoughts on this? --> https://youtu.be/zbp412zFsto

assbot: 양자암호원리, QKD, 야동? No! 양동!!! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1T8Dvo4 )

shinohai: http://en.rocketnews24.com/2013/01/10/japanese-hacker-sends-police-on-chase-to-find-cat-with-computer-virus-strapped-to-collar-encrypts-clues-with-final-fantasy-language/

funkenstein_: looks to me like pure theatre

funkenstein_: if there really are "many ways to discover the private keys", then there are necessarily many ways to discover the message sent, no matter how it was encrypted and keys distributed

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111168 @ 0.00037062 = 41.2011 BTC [+]

mircea_popescu: there existed an "official" one, MMN80CPU and a number of unofficial clones made in small runs and mostly clandestinely. (most of ex-soviet bloc economy in the early 90s consisted of "anyone who is clever enough to use this nobody's fixed capital - welcome to do so for the cost of the consumables")

mircea_popescu: iirc the yugos had even more , but i don't recall specifics

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ^

mircea_popescu: http://www.cpushack.com/gallery-1/mmn/mmn80cpu-2591/ << confirmed for correct visual.

assbot: MMN80CPU 2591 | The CPU Shack Museum ... ( http://bit.ly/1dZVxcf )

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 147700 @ 0.00035899 = 53.0228 BTC [-]

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157652 << good choice, gold's a govt scam anyway

assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 03:34:02; asciilifeform: intel can build a machine for transforming lead into gold, i still won't buy it.

mircea_popescu: amusing how transparent the usg efforts of turning bitcoin into gold are, by the way. "oh, we don't want to kill bitcoin, honest, we just want to make it so we're the only ones that can safely hold it. you know... like gold..."

mircea_popescu: the population of the world barn stood for it once, "monopoly on violence" and all that bull, why shouldn't it work again ???

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157660 << fnargl problem. the soviet politbureau was secure. the usg "feminists" are not.

assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 03:36:59; asciilifeform: it is interesting to contemplate how many of the traditional nato stereotypes of soviet industry were not only false, but apply to nato wholly and not at all to sov

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116000 @ 0.00035814 = 41.5442 BTC [-] {2}

mircea_popescu: $ curl https://www.blockstream.com/2015/06/08/714/

assbot: Announcing Sidechain Elements: Open source code and developer sidechains for advancing Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBQoUT )

mircea_popescu: curl: (35) Unknown SSL protocol error in connection to www.blockstream.com:443

mircea_popescu: this bodes well for them.

mircea_popescu: but anyway, For additional background on Blockstreams founding values, read Blockstream: A Champion of Bitcoins Core Values. ?! "press@blockstream.com" ?!

mircea_popescu: dudes, lay off seriously.

mircea_popescu: everyone's a perianne boring now ?

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157762 <<< mmyeah.

assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 11:31:45; funkenstein_: looks to me like pure theatre

mircea_popescu: i will also observe that s.mg launches much awaited bitcoin's mmorpg, usg.agitprop is silent ; "blockstream" launches "much awaited" (by whom ?) nothing at all, the wsj seems compelled to write it up within the hour.

mircea_popescu: ahh how your blood will flow, old whore.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/eurlorean-crafting-the-pickaxe-illumination/#selection-99.53-99.69 << how does that look to you ? :D

assbot: Eurlorean Crafting - The Pickaxe Illumination on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBR8JI )

davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157448 <<< no sane orm would do that

assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 01:55:55; trinque: most ORMs would load the whole damn row into an "object" whatever that is, load all the objects into a list, then iterate over that duplicated set of data and barf out the aggregate

mircea_popescu: im pretty sure i have seen this

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157789 << some serious magic!

assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 13:11:13; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/eurlorean-crafting-the-pickaxe-illumination/#selection-99.53-99.69 << how does that look to you ? :D

mircea_popescu: hehehe

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157765 << that's a z80! not a cdp1802.

assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 12:21:50; mircea_popescu: there existed an "official" one, MMN80CPU and a number of unofficial clones made in small runs and mostly clandestinely. (most of ex-soviet bloc economy in the early 90s consisted of "anyone who is clever enough to use this nobody's fixed capital - welcome to do so for the cost of the consumables")

mircea_popescu: and in the breakfast cereal today, http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_maz4dlgoVF1r3iafjo1_500.gif

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FGHajR )

asciilifeform: -everybody- had a z80.

asciilifeform: i bet zimbabwe had one.

mircea_popescu: oh oh 1802

mircea_popescu: yes, they did, romanian friendship :D

mircea_popescu: ceausescu dude was nuts about africa.

asciilifeform: and cn

asciilifeform: phun phakt: my parents still have chinese towels father bought in ro in '80s

mircea_popescu: lol

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143800 @ 0.00036461 = 52.4309 BTC [+] {2}

asciilifeform: in other nyooz, http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F3345E99D51E56537F74CE146536E40351169B4683A79EE61CC1A5042861E630

assbot: Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1FGHA9M )

asciilifeform: (where the hell is that ticker?)

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, i dun think romania actually ever made that.

asciilifeform: 1802?

asciilifeform: i only know of a yugo version

asciilifeform: (and three or four american)

mircea_popescu: yeah memory doth not bring up anything.

mircea_popescu: "Karen Bender" is not a bad name by the way

asciilifeform: 'i am bender, please insert girder' (tm) (r) ('futurama')

mircea_popescu: lol

asciilifeform: https://github.com/asciilifeform/CyEmu/tree/master/emu << my ancient and very bad 1802

assbot: CyEmu/emu at master · asciilifeform/CyEmu · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1FGHU8y )

asciilifeform: thing was famous for, among other things, 'sex' instruction

BingoBoingo: OMG a self replicating processor?

asciilifeform: l0l

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no it was morel ike http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb7fz1QLnr1rtxn3oo1_400.gif

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBSGmX )

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo i think would like this chip

asciilifeform: phun phakt: you can still buy a toy computer with it: http://www.retrotechnology.com/memship/memship.html

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBSHap )

asciilifeform: yes, with togglers.

asciilifeform: http://www.retrotechnology.com/memship/mema_2.jpg

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBSKTw )

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but seriously, "efficiency" aside, i have nfi how one'd program for a processor that allows random switching in and out of the process counter / memory counter etc.

mircea_popescu: imagine a 1802 valgrind

asciilifeform: you do it... with your hands

mircea_popescu: yeah, shiva must be this tall to pass.

asciilifeform: afaik there was never a compiler for it (you could trivially port sdcc etc. but... why)

asciilifeform: shivas only, yes.

mircea_popescu: mel1802

BingoBoingo: I am interested nao. How long until we get a foundry so we can make them fast?

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the reason they're 100 bucks a pop is ~ that nobody wants em

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: buy a bag of 5,000 FETs. that there's yer phoundry.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually there are plenty of folks who want. but they go to 'ebay' or 1,001 other places where they're a buck or so

mircea_popescu: aha.

asciilifeform: sorta like 'pogo'

asciilifeform: in that if you were to wish for a crate of 10,000 in one pop, there would be supply problems.

mircea_popescu: but with less baseline demand

BingoBoingo: Can a bag of FETs make one that's run bitcoind fast?

asciilifeform: thing lasts virtually forever. on account of the chemistry of the process, it laughed at power supply noise that would nuke any other cpu

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: fast enough to keep up with blocks? possibly

BingoBoingo: Interesting.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you'd have to bake something which can address >64k though

BingoBoingo: Run bitcoind is the new definition of fast

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it IS pretty much the baseline to distinguish computer from toy.

mircea_popescu: "if it can't sync it can't really be used seriously" makes a whole lotta sense.

asciilifeform: me, i just want something that'd sign a tx, while using no iron made after i was born

mircea_popescu: do you also want something that's warm and slippery while using no cells made after you were born ?

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 205887 @ 0.00035606 = 73.3081 BTC [-] {3}

asciilifeform: got one of these already

mircea_popescu: cells only last ~7 years you know.

asciilifeform: sure.

asciilifeform: speaking very loosely.

mircea_popescu: if you're speaking that loosely...

mircea_popescu: what are you even saying ?

asciilifeform still half asleep

nubbins`: hi

nubbins`: so i finally got my printer straightened out.

asciilifeform: it was bent ?

BingoBoingo: !b 2

assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/15HYF6W.txt )

nubbins`: heh. figuratively, yes

mircea_popescu: nubbins` you know i left you a ding in the logs while back, you ever got it ?

mircea_popescu: ;;tells

gribble: Error: "tells" is not a valid command.

nubbins`: ah yes the booky-wook

nubbins`: is this a serial we're talking about?

asciilifeform: 'Good luck with that buckeroo. Looking forward to your complete rewrite of the Broadcom NetXtreme II 10/100/Gigabit firmware, by the way. There are about 25 versions of this product, and they have 4-6 MIPS 64-bit cpus running different firmwares on them. Total size, around 260K. It's like a bunch of independent operating systems running on propriety hardware!' << this is endemic and getting worse by the minute

mircea_popescu: i was thinking ima publish episodes on trilema an' then the whole thing

jurov: nubbins` did not get it cuz he reads irc out of the printer

nubbins`: ah, an anthology as it were

nubbins`: jurov STFU

nubbins`: go ahead and try to delete a line from my log

nubbins`: you'll need scissors and tape

mircea_popescu: is your log also only made out of paper that was there before you were born ?

BingoBoingo: Or a zippo

jurov: fire will do

BingoBoingo: Or humidity and time

nubbins`: mircea_popescu i order so much paper that the UPS guy is starting to not like me

mircea_popescu: yeah, because that's the monkey logic, "shit, this guy makes it so that i have a job!!1"

nubbins`: anyway. soaked the printhead in ammonia overnight. reassembled everything... it says all 6 cartridges are missing.

mircea_popescu: im so fucking sick of proles.

nubbins`: try this a couple more times.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i like to pipe logs to thermal printer. (think 'cash register'). astonishingly fire-resistant, but does fade with time

nubbins`: turns out i was popping the fuckin ribbon out of the thing while inserting.

nubbins`: asciilifeform this is still a major use of dot matrix printers

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That is a serious problem with thermal. Twas a pain lighting the losing tickets friday night.

nubbins`: wait now, your thermal paper is fire-resistant?

nubbins`: o.O

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: un minimo respeto por el trabajador! (TM) (R)

mircea_popescu: fire retarded more like it

nubbins`: ^

nubbins`: funny thing is, i figured it was a lost cause

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're giving me spots on the spleen.

asciilifeform: nubbins`: aha. very annoying when burning otp

nubbins`: so i bought a replacement printer 30 minutes before i fixed the thing

asciilifeform: (what, not everyone prints one time pads on thermal paper ?)

nubbins`: then shrugged and decided not to cancel the order

nubbins`: because HEY

BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/to-land-syngenta-monsanto-offers-to-change-name-incorporate-in/article_da79bf37-0ccd-5dcd-aeb7-074e1e71fef1.html

assbot: To land Syngenta, Monsanto offers to change name, incorporate in U.K. : Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBUo7T )

nubbins`: why run two printers when you can run three?

mircea_popescu: which is good because it won't work anyway.

nubbins`: heh

nubbins`: mp actually these epsons are workhorses

nubbins`: 10/10 would/did buy again

asciilifeform: 'instead of printer, package contained bobcat. a++, would buy again' (tm)

nubbins`: haha

mircea_popescu: "her name was sheila"

mircea_popescu: "she was from odessa"

nubbins`: "but you can call her bob"

nubbins`: "she'll do things to your knob"

asciilifeform: https://xkcd.com/325

assbot: xkcd: A-Minus-Minus ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBUBb0 )

asciilifeform: ^ a little different from what i remembered

nubbins`: so were the 80s

nubbins`: also worth noting that a replacement print head was 50% the cost of a new printer

nubbins`: protip: if you can't service your printer yourself, buy a new one when it breaks

asciilifeform: nubbins`: was this that same printer where you ran a hose into the ink tank instead of swapping out cartridges ?

nubbins`: yes sir.

nubbins`: https://www.cobraink.com/CIS/CIS%20kits/1430%20kit/CIS%20Kit%201430.htm

assbot: .:: Cobra Ink Systems::. This is where the term CIS began ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBUQ5U )

nubbins`: ^ the old man who runs this company is a wizard

nubbins`: incredibly boring support videos but he knows the machines inside & out

asciilifeform used to do something quite like this with laser printer. it being, drill hole in cartridge, funnel, toner tanks from old xerox in office park dumpsters

asciilifeform: sorta worked

nubbins`: nod

nubbins`: i pay $25usd for 17oz of ink

asciilifeform: but eventually learned 1) toner comes in various granularities 2) is a real bitch to clean up, on account of 3) goes straight through a vacuum cleaner

mircea_popescu: the toner granularities thing is a fine example of biology in business.

mircea_popescu: the granules themselves are more or less engineered to clog competing heads.

asciilifeform: heads?!

asciilifeform: 'toner' in laser printer is pulverized plastic

asciilifeform: it is picked up by a rubber roller and deposited on selenium drum electrostatically

nubbins`: ^

nubbins`: inkjets have heads

nubbins`: and you should print with your printer at least once a week to keep them from drying out

asciilifeform: now, if 'wrong' granule size, or melting point, life of printer owner does become 'interesting'

mircea_popescu: whatever you call them

mircea_popescu: how do you call the "part which does the printing" in a printer ?

asciilifeform does not like liquid printers

nubbins`: mircea_popescu depends on the type of printer. in an inkjet it's a printhead

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the printing per se worked. but sometimes the plastic would come right off the page when you fondled it.

nubbins`: a laser printer is closer to a lithograph than anything else

nubbins`: https://www.dropbox.com/s/sux12zfhww2dyun/TEST-PAGE.svg?dl=0

assbot: Dropbox - TEST-PAGE.svg ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBVu3l )

nubbins`: ^ for a 6-tank printer like mine

nubbins`: asciilifeform my cost per page is prolly lower than yours

nubbins`: altho TBF

nubbins`: inkjets are way, waaaaaaaaaaay slower than laser

nubbins`: and given that i doubt you do much fine art printing...

asciilifeform like a fool, picked up a surplus colour laser printer a couplea weeks ago. twentybux or so

asciilifeform: it works, but leads to decadence 'hmm, this code ought to have syntax colouring, let's print that'

nubbins`: heh.

nubbins`: "toner low in following cartridges: C (cyan). Y (yellow). M (magenta)."

asciilifeform: and eventually will have to be thrown out and bought again - who wants to buy four colours of toner

nubbins`: i buy off-brand toner

nubbins`: 123inkcartridges.ca

nubbins` also runs two Brother laser printers: one b/w, one colour

asciilifeform: nubbins`: in the colour laser, the expensive proprietary crud is the 'transfer belt'

asciilifeform: for which no chinese version, afaik, exists

nubbins`: is that separate from the drum unit?

asciilifeform: aha

nubbins` has replaced 1 drum

asciilifeform: a kind of conveyor, page-width, made from unobtainium

mircea_popescu: it's just plastic!

nubbins`: oh, wait, right

nubbins`: mine's white.

mircea_popescu: :D

nubbins`: runs under all the drums?

asciilifeform: nubbins`: aha

nubbins`: those have a life?!

asciilifeform: nubbins`: turns out, they do.

nubbins`: wow

mircea_popescu: insert girder.

asciilifeform: hence how colour laser printer ends up sold 'per pound' as surplus scrap

nubbins` has published novels on his laser printers, no belt replacement

nubbins`: (yet)

asciilifeform: nubbins`: these are found only in colour laser

nubbins`: ah. i've only run maybe 10-15 books through the colour one

asciilifeform: nubbins`: does yours have the evil usg yellow dots ?

nubbins`: i slayed an $80 Brother monochrone laser

nubbins`: asciilifeform no idea / who cares

asciilifeform: http://seeingyellow.com

assbot: Seeing Yellow ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBWbto )

nubbins`: heard of em

nubbins`: but i'd use the epson for copying currency anyway

nubbins`: (hypothetically)

asciilifeform: interesting mainly on account of 'usg gets to slip code blobs into consumer appliances' thing

nubbins`: SWIM hypothetically did this in their youth for a while

asciilifeform: l0l

asciilifeform: medieval counterfeiters, famously, got to drink molten lead (or sometimes, for showmanship, gold...) when caught. modern ones will one day be drowned in buckets of inkjet ?

nubbins`: imagine passing off some of this strange to a cashier, and while you're waiting for your food, guy behind you in line receives some as change

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116300 @ 0.00035828 = 41.668 BTC [+] {2}

nubbins`: asciilifeform too expensive!

nubbins`: $5-8k/gallon

nubbins`: altho i guess they'd buy the bulk stuff huh.

asciilifeform: speaking of counterfeiters, i once read a fascinating bio paper where folks determined the actual cause of death of 'drink molten lead'

asciilifeform: by testing with cattle carcass

asciilifeform: turned out, it's almost certainly steam inhalation

asciilifeform: (from own flesh boiling)

asciilifeform: there were some good photos of resulting 'castings' also.

asciilifeform: i often wonder if any period 'castings' of this kind have been turned up by archaeologists.

kakobrekla: urlpls

asciilifeform unfortunately lacking the link. if anyone turns it up, plz post.

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157680 << wai wat. which prisoners

assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 03:49:45; decimation: the massive antibody response from usg against these escaped prisoners is amusing

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157773 << hey, they did retrofit the price control mechanism (buterin's waterfall) from gold

assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 12:59:40; mircea_popescu: amusing how transparent the usg efforts of turning bitcoin into gold are, by the way. "oh, we don't want to kill bitcoin, honest, we just want to make it so we're the only ones that can safely hold it. you know... like gold..."

mircea_popescu: except that only works on idiots.

mircea_popescu: the "you can't hold it" thing works on everyone. huge difference.

mircea_popescu: which is why the incensed bitching.

asciilifeform: the waterfall also works on everyone. but is expensive to maintain, yes

mircea_popescu: no baby, iot does NOPT work on everyone.

mircea_popescu: soros' breaking of the bank of england should be the only example you might ever need.

mircea_popescu: i LOVE!!11 the fact that they're giving me free money this way

mircea_popescu: and i don't care how much of it comes out of the skins of idiots.

mircea_popescu: actually, i hope most of it does, and i hope it comes out of their corneas and their daughter's labia.

asciilifeform: well, on one hand, mircea_popescu gets to pick up cheap coin. but on other, can't buy spare reactor for dirigible for 1 btc

mircea_popescu: there ~IS~ a reason they switched from trying that to trying gavincoin last year.

asciilifeform: in as far as i can surmise, the 'dept. of accumulating btc for the lizard throne' and 'dept. of breaking btc because wtf 111' co-exist

mircea_popescu: now wonder along with me : WHY is it that shithead gavin is SO VERY FIRMLY CONVINCED this must be done "before the end of the year" ? hm ?

mircea_popescu: who and where told them "we're getting wiped, at the most last out another three, maaaaybe six months" ?

asciilifeform: the thing which boggles my mind is, why not yet

mircea_popescu: because reasons.

asciilifeform: what, precisely, keeps the schmuck from twiddling the constant -now-

mircea_popescu: always reasons. the fact that nothing's instantaneous in the physical world is the chief reason there may even be life in the first place.

mircea_popescu: think about a world where interaction were undelayed.

asciilifeform: what, the filipinos have to grunt out precisely 1GB of forum commentz ?

asciilifeform: 'time is for keeping all things from happening at once' (tm) (r)

mircea_popescu: what is it that makes the speed of chemical reaction be the speed of chemical reaction ?

mircea_popescu: what, the electrons have to spin 1billion times ?

asciilifeform: l0l

asciilifeform: (all things have inertial mass, is the proximate cause)

mircea_popescu: not even.

mircea_popescu: inertial mass is, much like the "centrifugal force", a matter of observer observing

asciilifeform: btw i fully expect to see the classical bitcoin net under organized crap flood in near future.

mircea_popescu: as in... last week ?

mircea_popescu: doh.

asciilifeform: (with gavincoin pushes as 'elixir' naturally)

mircea_popescu: kinda why the scoring nodes are important

asciilifeform: why do you suppose i took precious time to run the orphans experiment

mircea_popescu: aha.

nubbins`: how many times have i heard "there are only 6000 nodes"

nubbins`: people are gonna be really surprised some day

mircea_popescu: and the thing that keeps schmuck is, the thing that keeps all schmucks. fear.

asciilifeform: nubbins`: do you recall my experiment where we estimated how many living nodes ?

nubbins`: the experiment but not the results

asciilifeform: results were depressing

nubbins`: <6k

nubbins`: ?

asciilifeform: <60

nubbins`: :o

nubbins`: how'd bitnodes find so many?

asciilifeform: by counting turdation crud as 'node' ?

mircea_popescu: this of course is in the logs

asciilifeform: it is on therealbitcoin ml

mircea_popescu: nubbins` bitnodes is in the business of finding what it wants to find.

asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000046.html

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOz73n )

asciilifeform: and i think we had more on this in log, yes

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-02-2015#1004253 <

assbot: Logged on 03-02-2015 16:17:03; mircea_popescu: and just 60 with 99.9% uptime.

asciilifeform: ^

nubbins`: right yeah

asciilifeform: https://github.com/basil00/PseudoNode << obligatory. also in log

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nubbins`: i remember being terrified at the time

mircea_popescu: and then you don't remember it going away.

nubbins` mumbles something about getting pogos running

mircea_popescu: why did it go away and why don't you remember it ?

mircea_popescu: human physiology, the stuff the memory hole effect's made of.

nubbins`: prolly a combination of poor memory and drug use

mircea_popescu: more like, the brain's not made for thinking anymore than bitnodes' is made to count nodes.

mircea_popescu: they're both made to make you feel good.

asciilifeform: incidentally, i assume everyone remembers the usg-sponsored outfit publicly parading their net of sybils (based on 'pseudonode' or something entirely like it. student can write equivalent in an evening)

mircea_popescu: (the incidence of depression among idiots being for this reason the most amusing thing of all! seriously, YOU'RE depressed ? you don't even have enough of a fucking clue to be sad.)

nubbins`: did anyone ever muck about w/ a buildroot toolchain after?

nubbins`: or was i the only one barking up that tree

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1158085 << mega-l0l! i think mine was made to feel like shit

assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 14:19:57; mircea_popescu: they're both made to make you feel good.

nubbins`: mircea_popescu fwiw smart people do depression way better than idiots.

asciilifeform: so i sorta assumed it was for that.

mircea_popescu: obviously.

mircea_popescu: they actually have a right to it.

mircea_popescu: rather than pretending depression under false pretenses much like "ununderstood" adolescents pretend to be gay.

asciilifeform: nubbins`: i have buildroot working to my satisfaction. esp. after davout fixed the bug in mke2fs

asciilifeform: nubbins`: but now we need a fully uclibc-ized bitcoind

nubbins`: that's where i was stuck.

davout: asciilifeform: mazeltov

nubbins`: got buildroot built to my satisfaction, stalled up on actuall compiling bitcoind dependencies

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, in all that story a release is required.

mircea_popescu: do we yet have something that people can put on pogo and run ?

asciilifeform: nubbins`: the next necessary step is the complete excision of dns from bitcoind

nubbins`: mircea_popescu i've had a statically built bitcoind for months now

nubbins`: i just can't re-create the build ;/

mircea_popescu: nubbins` exactly my point.

asciilifeform: nubbins`: once this is done, it will be theoretically possible to build uclibc-ized bitcoind

asciilifeform: and roll out buildroot+bitcoind buildatron

mircea_popescu: whichd be sweet.

nubbins`: actually, compiling boost w/ the buildroot toolchain is what had me stuck

asciilifeform: i have a months-old patch on the ml, which got lost among the nuts and bolts, that nukes dns seeds

mircea_popescu: pingin' ben_vulpes along with erryone else.

asciilifeform: but this leaves the idiot 'whatismyip' thing

asciilifeform: and a few other invocations

asciilifeform: these - need to go

nubbins`: i recall the discussion on that

nubbins`: i think we reached an impasse as to what was the proper way to find one's own ip and then other nodes

asciilifeform: nubbins`: there is a fallback in there - irc

nubbins`: right, yeah

nubbins`: imagine

asciilifeform: nubbins`: if we snip out the 'whatismyip' thing, that becomes the one and only turtle on which the elephants stand

mircea_popescu: nubbins` not exactly, config files.

nubbins`: fuck, right, yeah.

asciilifeform: and bitcoind will have to be given either a) own external ip, in config or b) ip of irc net to connect to

mircea_popescu: what sort of remembering is this!

nubbins`: text file sitting in the root dir

nubbins` gestures to the drugs

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that is the runner's problem.

mircea_popescu: and it is a correct solution.

mircea_popescu: the approach here is to breach enemy's reliability,

asciilifeform: this is probably when i confess that i have this sitting on my disk already

mircea_popescu: nothing more.

asciilifeform: needs to be cleaned up, tested, posted.

nubbins`: woo

asciilifeform: perhaps - this week's the time.

nubbins`: oh wow, i missed out on the eulora thing

asciilifeform actually considered buying a box on which eulora is playable

mircea_popescu: myeah

nubbins` does not "game"

mircea_popescu: why not ?

nubbins`: lack of interest

nubbins`: <--filthy casual

nubbins`: i'll kick your ass at mario kart 8 tho

mircea_popescu: i dun think you comprehend how much ass eulora kicks and will kick in the future.

asciilifeform bbl

mircea_popescu: but i'll tell you this much : im sick and tired of having to switch games.

mircea_popescu: so im going to make this one work and play it forever.

nubbins`: i've got a vague idea. why else would i take a 25btc stock warrant? ;p

mircea_popescu: lol

nubbins`: valid answers include "that time you used it to earn 1btc on bitbet"

mircea_popescu: haha what was that ?

mircea_popescu: anyway, you missed out a 1337 satoshi/day permabag by not coming to sunday's event.

mircea_popescu: but not to despair - another one this sunday.

nubbins`: https://bitbet.us/bet/791/s-mg-above-2x-par-on-october-1st-2014/

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nubbins`: oh, fun

BingoBoingo: Oh, other people catching on to the gawker model http://www.reaxxion.com/9508/gawker-writers-unionize-in-response-to-gamergates-bloody-nose

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mircea_popescu: lol

nubbins`: woops

nubbins`: protip: listen when your computer says you're at 5% battery

mircea_popescu: because it usually lies

mircea_popescu: and it's 0.3%

nubbins`: next thing ya know a fan spins up and BAM

nubbins`: but anyway. maybe i'll get a chance to compile eulora on osx by sunday

nubbins`: BingoBoingo lel @ gawker and all affiliated sites in general

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nubbins`: from jezebel, for example: "The Katy Perry-Taylor Swift feud is undoubtedly the feud of our century"

nubbins`: undoubtedly.

nubbins`: there can be no doubt that in our century, this feud is number one

mircea_popescu: heh.

mircea_popescu: who are these two incidentally ?

nubbins`: who cares

nubbins`: pop stars

nubbins`: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--ruTyZPcP--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/1288837417214035347.jpg

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nubbins`: perry is on the left with the epic troll face

mircea_popescu: http://www.celebjihad.com/celeb-jihad/taylor-swift-showing-off-flexibility-new-nude-photo ?

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mircea_popescu: in other news, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/century-feud.jpg

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mircea_popescu: !gettrust heysteve

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ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> but anyway. maybe i'll get a chance to compile eulora on osx by sunday << if you figure out how lmk, i failed to do so miserably

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punkman: new ups lasted a whole hour, impressed

mircea_popescu: o.O

punkman: I shut down the monitors and went for a walk after 10-15min, so it was mostly just idle computar

pete_dushenski: qntsideration incoming !

pete_dushenski: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/00W44M1.txt

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gribble: The operation succeeded.

pete_dushenski: ;;later tell cazalla http://dpaste.com/0VY2ECF.txt

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZoKBB )

gribble: The operation succeeded.

pete_dushenski: "Sex-Kitten.Net has been around nearly a decade, in one form or another. It was begun by me, Gracie Passette, as a place for women, by women, about women ~ not only to discuss sex, but certainly not avoiding it."

pete_dushenski: some spamsite via a contravex commenter.

pete_dushenski: "but certainly not avoiding the subject of sex even though no one said we were and even though that's the point of my derpy little spamblog !"

pete_dushenski: http://imgur.com/a/SKPmk << amazing the dedication of these kidz.

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pete_dushenski: they just won't give up !

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pete_dushenski: i was in montreal for the gp last year and they were doing the exact same shtick

pete_dushenski: i would've bet a buck they'd have packed up and given up on their "komoonity centre" thing

pete_dushenski: guess it still has legs.

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pete_dushenski: whaddya know.

pete_dushenski: "Reigning world champion Hamilton finished 2.2 seconds clear of Rosberg at the end of 70 relatively-uneventful laps around Montreal's Circuit Gilles Villeneuve" << missed this over the weekend, i guess.

pete_dushenski: last year's race was comparatively showy : massive crash on last lap, 1st win for non-mercedes car as red bull's ricciardo took the chequered flag

pete_dushenski: this year i really can't be bothered to watch f1

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pete_dushenski: it's almost entirely lost its appeal

ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> pingin' ben_vulpes along with erryone else. << getting gentoo boxen for uclibc and cross-compilation's knocked mod6 and i on our asses

ben_vulpes: well, me for certain.

ben_vulpes: !up ascii_field

ben_vulpes: went to get a garbagebox from freegeek.org yesterday - "tuesday through saturday"

ascii_field: wats that

ben_vulpes: local sommolier

ascii_field: bought anything ?

ben_vulpes: shit-melier

ben_vulpes: trinque reported two thinkpads i wanted to acquire

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ben_vulpes: might be able to acquire a tower or something with an i5 to play eulora

ben_vulpes is rebuilding eulora from scratch. again.

ben_vulpes: unrelated: on the quakers, consensus and 'activism' in america: http://berkeleyjournal.org/2015/05/the-theology-of-consensus/

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ascii_field: ben_vulpes: http://i.imgur.com/p7YVzlU.jpg

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZs7IJ )

ascii_field: ^ re: uranium mine

ascii_field: and yes, those are imperial 2.54mm headers soldered to metric 2mm dip

ben_vulpes: "The process favored those with the most time, as meetings tended to drag out for hours" "Some called it “feminist process,” for it seemed to embody feminist ideals of participation, inclusion, and egalitarianism. " << some derps sit around and derp while other people are making decisions and setting the wheels in motion. is it any wonder that the kochs always win and occupy always loses?

ascii_field: ben_vulpes: did you perchance ever go to 'occupy' ?

ascii_field did, and saw this alive

ascii_field: they would hold their circlejerk meetings and literally pause 'waiting for a female voice'

danielpbarron: i saw it in NYC on one of my field trips to see the marathon

ben_vulpes: neat pickaxe, ascii_field

danielpbarron: saw their human megaphone a.k.a. cultish chanting

ascii_field: 'mic check'

danielpbarron: yes that

ben_vulpes: ascii_field: did indeed!

mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the choice as to whether to sit by the pool and look pretty / sit by the oak desk and look stern was always open to everyone.

mircea_popescu: tis what it is.

ben_vulpes: was particularly amused that the one part of the park that worked - eg infrastructure team - partook of no such nonsense. had leadership that delegated.

ben_vulpes: evaporated quickly, though. nobody likes working for ungrateful derps - not even commie engineers.

mircea_popescu: soo... i just got an email from Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)

ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski if your kids need mavis beacon, something's gone horribly wrong

gribble: The operation succeeded.

ascii_field: mircea_popescu: usg-themed spam is sop for years now

ascii_field: but usually it's tax-flavoured

mircea_popescu: ikr ?

pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: lol i don't disagree !

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/fbi.png

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ascii_field: mircea_popescu: my guess it that it is mostly targeted at idiot expats. actual u.s. inmates know well that usg has not invented email yet.

mircea_popescu: heh

ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: let's start a school

pete_dushenski: i'm in.

pete_dushenski: 1. teachers can physically discipline students

pete_dushenski: 2. students will learn to type on physical keyboards

pete_dushenski: 3. no touchscreens allowed on the premises

mircea_popescu: not swearing won't get you to heaven pete_dushenski

ascii_field: pete_dushenski: realize that this is not unlike the 'everyone will learn to write' thing from back in the day

pete_dushenski: 4. sexual education is to be taught in praxis, not just theory

ben_vulpes: teachers'll have to order parents to do so, as the thing of necessity'll have to run over teh wotnet

mircea_popescu: now that's an idea.

pete_dushenski: i'm not done...

pete_dushenski: 5. students will learn to think, then learn the alphabet, then learn to read

ben_vulpes: i also suspect that the initial stable of teachers will actually be the parents. nobody else is going to give a shit and la serenissima runs on deficits anyways.

mircea_popescu: "students will learn to fly then grow the wings most adequate to their preferred flight style"

ascii_field: ^^^^

mircea_popescu: "which will forthwith change as a result"

mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes more importantly : why would you as a kid take a beating from someone you're not a in a sexual relationship with

pete_dushenski: 6. those not academically inclined will be pruned from academic studies at age 13 to pursue technical professions

mircea_popescu: romans had forbidden slaves (ie, teachers, more broadly, bureaucrats) beating their kids as a cornerstone of civility.

mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski what if they become inclined at 19 ?

jurov: how is this determined at 13?

pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: then self-teach ? go back to school ?

pete_dushenski: jurov: tests.

mircea_popescu: what if they go back to school with a chip on their shoulder

mircea_popescu: and set your entire world ablaze ?

ben_vulpes: not a bad outcome.

mircea_popescu: the focus of this process should not be satisfaction of the designer

mircea_popescu: but moreover avoidance of the situation where you piss off the rightly powerful.

jurov: there are tests for that?

mircea_popescu: shit on the powerless, that's what they're there for.

pete_dushenski: jurov: why not ?

pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: how is "rightly" determined ?

mircea_popescu: why not is not a permissible question in this context.

mircea_popescu: rightly is determined by that they put your world ablaze.

jurov: pete_dushenski: because human mind?

ascii_field: pete_dushenski: visit jp, ru, cn, or - hell - us for that matter, to see how the 'tests' thing works out

ascii_field: in practice.

trinque: the right kids will want to learn

mircea_popescu: the concept of performance tests is not unlike the concept of postcard tourism.

trinque: I tend to think you have to beat that out of the intelligent if it's absent

mircea_popescu: "i've visited all the places my friends sent me cards from"

pete_dushenski: tests can be interviews, written exams, theatre performances...

trinque: and the wrong ones shouldn't be in the school

mircea_popescu: the only half decent approximation of a test would be, "either you go to school where each day for a year contains a beating, or else we kill you in six years".

ascii_field: pete_dushenski: try to grasp that 'perform on schedule' selects for certain kinds of human, not necessarily the ones you like.

mircea_popescu: kids can opt whether to die young and leave a beautiful corpse much before any serious effort was spent on them

pete_dushenski: ascii_field: i'm perfectly aware. i wasn't the cram-exam type myself !

pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: kids can opt this for themselves ? not too young ?

ascii_field: mircea_popescu: you're approximately describing 19th c. ru military academy. except there you get beatings + death in six years

mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski apparently they're not too young to live and breathe.

pete_dushenski: neither is 1-day-old

mircea_popescu: quite.

mircea_popescu: the notion that there's insulation from choice...

mircea_popescu: some kids decide to grow spina bifida, how are you gonna help them improve their choices ?

pete_dushenski: with tests !

mircea_popescu: o i know, put folic acid in everyone' flour

mircea_popescu: and tests

mircea_popescu: yes yes.

ascii_field: it boggles my mind to see folks arguing for -more- perform-on-schedule-like-dancing-bear in child-herding

mircea_popescu: ascii_field the problem of child-herding, so far unresolved, is that women care too much and men don't understand wtf is in the box.

ben_vulpes: eh give him a break - the canuks get all their ideas from their southern protector

pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: lol not true ! i read books and things too.

ascii_field: we already know the kind of people 'star pupils' grow up to be

mircea_popescu: so all that can conceivably be done is protection and tests.

pete_dushenski: actually reading ascii_field recommended "chinese examination" book atm.

pete_dushenski: ascii_field: concert pianists ?

mircea_popescu: ascii_field re the perform on call thing : it definitely selects for the sort of woman you like.

ascii_field: pete_dushenski: aha. see also mircea_popescu's essay on 'grinding men into spherical ball bearings'

pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: this is an excellent point.

mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field

pete_dushenski: damn it, just when we're getting rolling, meatspace beckons. later y'all !

pete_dushenski looks forward to suggestions for "ben+pete's magickal skool for kidz who can mebbe not suck" in the logs

trinque: give 'em things to build that don't suck.

trinque: and force them to interact with people who are intimidatingly accomplished

ben_vulpes: make 'em do math and physics by hand and computer

trinque: and boot everyone that after that still sucks.

ben_vulpes: latin, french

ben_vulpes: read the bible three times, numbers in particular.

ascii_field: ben_vulpes: pretty much everyone i know who's worth talking to became the way he is -in spite of-, rather than with the aid of, school.

mircea_popescu: ascii_field school certainly aided me.

ascii_field: how ?

ben_vulpes: 'tisn't so much school, ascii_field, as a hedge against further retardifying the spawn

ascii_field: mircea_popescu: yes, they teach ya green's theorem, etc.

ascii_field: but could also learn this from book

mircea_popescu: by consistently sucking my cock throughout my formative years

ascii_field: l0l

ascii_field: 'the microscope aided me. best hammer.'

mircea_popescu: and then supplying a ready stable of eager sluts to get the ball started

mircea_popescu: hey, what can i tell ya.

mircea_popescu: it didn't come with instructions on the box.

ascii_field: http://cryptome.org/2015/06/guccifer-letter-01.htm << mega-lulziez

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mircea_popescu: mateirosca.com << win

ben_vulpes: ;;later tell nubbins` didja ever get past the eulora new account screen?

gribble: The operation succeeded.

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ascii_field: '(dev-lang/perl-5.20.2:0/5.20::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) conflicts with ...' followed by ten pages of barf

ascii_field wants to roast someone, slowly

jurov: yea i remember that, they reorganized it

ascii_field: i'd like to reorganize their insides.

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jurov: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1010432-start-25-postdays-0-postorder-asc-highlight-.html

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jurov: generally, perl-cleaner

ascii_field: tried that

asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

ascii_field: 'Why is Perl so F***ing special that it gets its own utility for un-f***ing it every time I need to update my system? Why does gentoo use perl at all for anything? In my sight its a disgusting useless barnacle of a write only language and this dependency stuff just makes me not want to touch it, ever, if I did suffer from temporary dementia and considered using it in one of my projects. We don't need a python-cleaner or

ascii_field: C++-cleaner.'

ascii_field: (from forum)

mircea_popescu: we don't need a c++ cleanner ?

mircea_popescu: how long have i been asleep ?

ascii_field: mircea_popescu: cpp doesn't exist, to a first approximation, on a well-maintained unix box

ascii_field: bitcoind is the thorn in everybody's side in this respect

mircea_popescu: oh ok. so i didn't hallucinate valgrind igperf etcv

mircea_popescu: got worried for a minute there

ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the 'cleaner' in question was a util that is meant to clean up the explosion of blood and guts which results in perl upgrading on a gentoo box

ascii_field: and the crud built with previous versions dying en masse

mircea_popescu: unlike the profilers.

ascii_field: not really related except in the sense that the hose in a mortician's workshop is related to surgeon's endoscope

ascii_field: mircea_popescu: btw i regard valgrind, igprof, etc. as 'c cleaners' rather than cpp. they only kinda, sorta work on cpp

mircea_popescu: because it never happened that if one "upgrades" suddenly c++ code stops working

ascii_field: cpp is really a 'crime against nature' to the extent that nothing really can process the barf it produces

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ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the directly analogous c/cpp item you were likely thinking of is (on gentoo) 'revdep-rebuild'

jurov: and there is python-updater

jurov: (better named)

jurov: and haskell-updater, too

ascii_field: ^ especially lulzy

ben_vulpes: cabal install cabal-install

mod6: heh, i built valgrind on deb6 lastnight as well. didn't work with bitcoind either statically built, or dynamically. might have to give this a try tonight on the gentoo aws instance.

ben_vulpes tried haskell once, irreperably borked the install, never touched it again. will never trust its advocates claims re: "bug free cuz static static really static awesome type system ftw"

ben_vulpes: but i suppose that i just don't understand how the (c, unix, haskell, programmering) world actually works

trinque: jurov: I've totally fucked up my python install several times on gentoo, having to re-emerge python-exec, wtf ever that is

trinque: gentoo has this crazy indirection between the various python versions (is I suspect the culprit, don't care enough to delve futher)

jurov: yeah, since you're supposed to have 2 versions plus pypy plus whatnot working alongside something is bound to break

ben_vulpes: just say no to python 3

trinque: PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="python2_7" # ftw

jurov: i'm fine with py3k, if you get acclimatized it's actually easy to write stuff compatible with both

jurov: but i'm software maggot, can eat anything

trinque: heh

trinque: yeah, I suppose you can write against that six module right?

trinque is bailing from python as he can find excuse to

jurov: agains what?

trinque: jurov: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/six

assbot: six 1.9.0 : Python Package Index ... ( http://bit.ly/1KngqKL )

jurov: oh, that. no, not needed it yet

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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34800 @ 0.00035759 = 12.4441 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6271 @ 0.00035342 = 2.2163 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51791 @ 0.00035342 = 18.304 BTC [-]

danielpbarron: >> #534 in queue. << archive.is is getting spammed now?

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 142613 @ 0.00035342 = 50.4023 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48650 @ 0.00035683 = 17.3598 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58855 @ 0.00037557 = 22.1042 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7316 @ 0.00036369 = 2.6608 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33634 @ 0.00036257 = 12.1947 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134342 @ 0.00035593 = 47.8163 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6097 @ 0.00036782 = 2.2426 BTC [+]

shinohai: Meth, hell of a drug: http://np.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/330c0u/bailey_jay_is_le_proof_inside_woops_i_made_a/

assbot: bailey jay is LE (proof inside woops i made a bailey jay blog post) : DarkNetMarkets ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6F8Yw )

mircea_popescu: danielpbarron i am unsurprised.

mircea_popescu: except i just tried it and it went straight in

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97300 @ 0.00036782 = 35.7889 BTC [+]

mircea_popescu: http://cryptome.org/2015/06/guccifer-letter-01.htm << fwiw, the style of that production is exactly the "pov derpage" fashionable among the unemployed writers/table waiters of the day, whereas linguistic profile radically unbefitting a 40yo unemployed cab driver in bucharest

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZvejX )

mircea_popescu: but what do i know.

mats: http://i.imgur.com/Fvj8erB.png

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6HnLv )

mats: oops, wrong one https://twitter.com/afreak/status/608321989900648448

mats: DMCA flags on... an iframe.

mircea_popescu: looks like airtel didn't want the news of their fraud public ?

mats: yes

mats: that letter is difficult to read

mats: so much pretension

mircea_popescu: http://www.mateirosca.com/prose/no-lands-man-or-how-not-to-do-an-election/ << more of the same, if you care.

assbot: No Land’s Man or How Not to Do an Election | ... ( http://bit.ly/1KnwhsD )

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87100 @ 0.00035862 = 31.2358 BTC [-] {2}

mircea_popescu: !up goregrind

asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

ascii_field: mats: https://archive.today/DVUie/005600bd57722743501a43c767b6ef8aadc48535.png << saved

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KnxCzw )

ascii_field: http://tech.firstpost.com/news-analysis/more-trouble-for-airtel-injects-javascript-code-to-monitor-data-usage-activist-receives-notice-270111.html << details of the dmca barratry

assbot: More trouble for Airtel: Injects JavaScript code to monitor data usage; activist receives notice - Tech2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KnxAaV )

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 173400 @ 0.00035416 = 61.4113 BTC [-] {3}

mircea_popescu: http://www.mateirosca.com/prose/the-medianett-saga-adventures-in-mercenary-churnalism/ << and here's a (very naive) story from the agitprop mines

assbot: The Medianett saga: adventures in mercenary churnalism | ... ( http://bit.ly/1KnyhRz )

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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 203817 @ 0.0003733 = 76.0849 BTC [+] {4}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 131952 @ 0.00037628 = 49.6509 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72700 @ 0.0003738 = 27.1753 BTC [-]

lobbes is new to this cron job stuff.. surprised to find the -only- way to see errors is to email them to yourself (i.e cannot write to local log)?

lobbes: seems... dumb

trinque: lobbes: logs to syslog

trinque: I guess depending on the cron jobber; there are quite a few of them

lobbes: hmm that may be it

lobbes: checked syslog, but the error prompted me to install an MTA

lobbes: no specifics on the actual error.

lobbes shrug

trinque: lobbes: could've just been that the thing had output, not necessarily an error

trinque: and then blew up trying to tell ya

fluffypony: lobbes

fluffypony: you can just have a cronjob that does something like

fluffypony: command --flag --flag2 --blah blah@blah 2> /var/log/yourlogfile.log

fluffypony: or whatever

trinque: yup that too

fluffypony: the 2> will pipe both STDOUT and STDERR

lobbes: aha

lobbes: interesting

fluffypony: I normally pipe STDERR to /dev/null because I don't need no steenking errors

fluffypony: and then get very frustrated when shit isn't working and I can't debug it

fluffypony: because logic

lobbes: haha

mircea_popescu: i heard this before

trinque: thought 2 was stderr only

fluffypony: trinque: depends on shell and OS

trinque: ah, k

fluffypony: I think on OS X / FreeBSD you need 2&1>

trinque: that's what I was thinking of, yep

trinque: 2>&1 > /your/thing.log

trinque: redirects stderr to stdout, then stdout to the log

lobbes: sweet though, this gives me stuff to work with. thanks everyone

lobbes: I always overlook the power of piping

mircea_popescu: it's so great it's easy to overlook

trinque: I used /dev/tcp magic making that gentoo image for mod6 the other day

trinque: pretty neat

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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49714 @ 0.00037646 = 18.7153 BTC [+]

mircea_popescu: in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9kjkkMxn51rtlyn9o1_500.gif

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1QmsKQf )

shinohai saves mircea_popescu 's image for FapBot

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shinohai: OMG we have TO PAY FOR NICE THINGS! http://redd.it/39694x

assbot: WTF MultiBit HD? Why I have to pay a fee to you? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1T9YgQa )

ben_vulpes: old story, shinohai

shinohai: It stiil boggles my mind whenever I see it.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80934 @ 0.0003551 = 28.7397 BTC [-] {2}

mats: https://soundcloud.com/futureclassic/panama-jungle

assbot: Panama - Jungle by future classic | Free Listening on SoundCloud ... ( http://bit.ly/1T9YQO3 )

mircea_popescu: !up copumpkin

mircea_popescu: !up copypaste

mats: http://saw.galois.com

assbot: SAW ... ( http://bit.ly/1cKh334 )

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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60706 @ 0.00034472 = 20.9266 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 131539 @ 0.00037064 = 48.7536 BTC [+] {2}

mircea_popescu: !up referredbyloper

mats: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sIYgqrytPK-CFWfqDntraA_Fwi2Ov-YBgMtl5hdrYd4 << 'Escaping VMWare Workstation Through COM1'

assbot: Escaping VMware Workstation through COM1 - Google Docs ... ( http://bit.ly/1JDoibD )

mircea_popescu: !up GcardBTC

GcardBTC: I have some amazon giftcard for sale. Accepting crypto. Send me an email and we can work something out.

asciilifeform: mats: iirc that is one of the lulzfarms that attempts to fuck with bitcoin net for usg

asciilifeform: mats: and 'formally proven' properties of generic c - what a lol

mats: yup

mats: exactly that galois

asciilifeform: i forget if this was public or not

asciilifeform: guess it is now.

asciilifeform: 'vprintproxy.exe is launched on the Host by vmware-vmx.exe as whichever user started VMware. vmware-vmx.exe and vprintproxy.exe communicate through named pipes. When writing to COM1 in the Guest, the packets will eventually end up in vprintproxy.exe for processing.' <<<< run moar winblows!! (tm)

asciilifeform: 'The program performs unsafe 32-bit arithmetic, leading to an invalid size check prior to a memcpy() operation, leading to a heap overflow.' << can we plz haz shitgnomes playing 'underhanded c contest' prior to employment? these old idiocies are getting - well - old.

asciilifeform: 'When extracting a TrueType font from the EMFSPOOL file, TPView.dll will verify the checksum of the font prior to further processing. To do so, it will walk the tables, zero out the padding at the end of a table and checksum the table. In doing so, it will trust the offset field of the table record and add it to a pointer to the font buffer. While there is a check to make sure that we dont go past the end of the font,

asciilifeform: nothing prevents us from referencing and zeroing memory prior to the font, as the 32-bit arithmetic will wrap.' << ditto

asciilifeform: 'Also the JPEG2000 parsing is done within a try-catch that catches all exception. This would allow an attacker to bruteforce his/her way to successful exploitation as the vprintproxy.exe would stay alive even through access violations.' << ahahahahaha.

asciilifeform: yeah 'bug' sure.

asciilifeform: 'cosmic rays' did this.

scoopbot_revived: Exodus from Wall Street: HSBC lays off 50,000 employees http://qntra.net/2015/06/exodus-from-wall-street-hsbc-lays-off-50000-employees/

asciilifeform: 'Identified mitigations. Load your Nagant, place in mouth, pull trigger.'

asciilifeform: ^ not in document, but suggested fix.

mats: lol

jurov: http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/security-it/dangerous-minds-are-maths-teachers-australias-newest-threat-20150608-ghira9

assbot: Dangerous minds: Are maths teachers Australia's newest threat? ... ( http://bit.ly/1JDr3tB )

jurov: "You will be coming to us and we will be working with you," a DECO officer recently explained to academics. "When your ideas aren't necessarily that formed, it may be that we say to you, 'Look, at the moment we don't see any concern, come back to us at a further stage'."

mats: fun fact: You can resolve kernel module addresses on Windows by looking at the session image list, which is linked to from a fixed VA.

pete_dushenski: how is it that block 360213 was mined before 360212 ?

punkman: timestamps can be wrong

pete_dushenski: ah, just rough approximations then ?

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 165500 @ 0.00034369 = 56.8807 BTC [-]

pete_dushenski: 2 minutes seemed like a large gap.

punkman: yeah block number is where it's at

trinque: jurov: totalitarians going for broke eh?

pete_dushenski: punkman makes sense.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31600 @ 0.00035012 = 11.0638 BTC [+]

BingoBoingo: <shinohai> OMG we have TO PAY FOR NICE THINGS! << The last sorta decent Multibit happened between 0.5.11 and 0.5.13

shinohai: I don't personally use it, I just love those posts where they bitch about paying for things.

trinque: shinohai: the internet is free comrade.

shinohai: Free sure, but if I tell that to my ISP they likely will disconnect my service. xD

shinohai: There *is* good free stuff online, I just don't expect it all to be free.

trinque: nah, none of it should be free

trinque: largest machine on earth if you consider it as such... and people think it should cost nothing

pete_dushenski: trinque so what should the b-a foundation's bitcoind cost to download ?

asciilifeform: trinque: 'should cost something' does not mean 'random derp gets to charge'

trinque: pete_dushenski: it always costs *someone* *something*

pete_dushenski: right, and we're talking about the end-user here, are we not ?

trinque: we're talking about the end user's packets

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1158532 << i've said it before, and will say it again - au is a usg-owned zoolag where they try out new and bleeding-edge idiocies

assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 23:36:58; jurov: "You will be coming to us and we will be working with you," a DECO officer recently explained to academics. "When your ideas aren't necessarily that formed, it may be that we say to you, 'Look, at the moment we don't see any concern, come back to us at a further stage'."

pete_dushenski: trinque packets and pockets

trinque: pete_dushenski: ftr the foundation's funded by a tax

trinque: at-will funding doesn't mean free, necessarily

trinque: anyhow, just saying good work costs money

pete_dushenski: agreed. "free" work results in retardopedia.

pete_dushenski: though that's also the result of low barriers to entry

pete_dushenski: which is a different consideration entirely.

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158558 << rly? from where i sit, it appears to be funded by folks willing to work for nothing

assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 00:03:52; trinque: pete_dushenski: ftr the foundation's funded by a tax

asciilifeform for instance.

pete_dushenski: asciilifeform you're funded by s.nsa :D

trinque: yep, said it costs "someone something", time in this case

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: you sorta have it reversed

shinohai: I am not saying there is anything wrong with free (Debian for example). Just that if you want a different product with extended features, those cost $ to develop/

trinque: though perhaps money in time

trinque: shinohai: I'm saying someone always foots the bill

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: s.nsa is, in practice thus far, funded by my lunch money.

trinque: and there is no such thing as something without a cost

trinque wishes asciilifeform many cardano sales

asciilifeform wishes also.

pete_dushenski: asciilifeform as you've mentioned many a time, but in turn you're given stocks and options of some value

pete_dushenski: it seems that your lack of a meatspace broker is requiring expenses to be out-of-pocket

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: it isn't a lack-of-broker problem, but an i-live-on-usg-scrip problem

asciilifeform: if i were to obtain (fell out of airplane, aha) a crate full of benjies, it would do exactly zero for my situation.

asciilifeform: (other than adding to my usg-jailable liabilities)

pete_dushenski: exactly zero ?

asciilifeform: well, epsilon.

asciilifeform: (one can buy petrol with them, that's mostly it)

pete_dushenski: eh, what's wrong with non-zero improvements ?

pete_dushenski: groceries

pete_dushenski: pre-paid visa cards

asciilifeform: sure.

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: aha no

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: prepaid cards, where i live, require government id

pete_dushenski: lolk mebbe not the visas...

pete_dushenski: though i'm sure pre-paid visas can be purchased on craigslist or the like

pete_dushenski: or through wot

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: invitation to be beaten and robbed

shinohai: craigslist kek

asciilifeform: if through wot, invitation to get some other fine fella gassed on my account

pete_dushenski: ok, so you stick with cash and take 'pet' out for lovely restaurant dinner, fill gastank, buy best organic veggies and steaks.

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: this is perhaps 1-2% of my costs.

pete_dushenski: easy $1k/mo

pete_dushenski: you spend $100k/mo then ?

asciilifeform: mno

asciilifeform: but i don't eat that much food

asciilifeform: or burn so much fuel.

asciilifeform: to roughly compare, this wouldn't be an airplane, just a pogo stick that lets you jump a few metres.

asciilifeform: at the cost of now having to guard a suitcase of plutonium

mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'cosmic rays' did this. << beats null op heh

pete_dushenski: plutonium = cash ?

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: aha

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: in your own country a fella just sat down for 3 yrs for having turned up with a bag of benjies.

pete_dushenski: $10k isn't $1 mn +

mircea_popescu: 50k hsbc employees worked on wall street ? gimme a break.

pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu ftr, not my title ! i also proposed including "the city"

asciilifeform in a somewhat more sour mood than usual, on account of floppy drive in 486 having caught fire

asciilifeform opens window

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1158532 << ok that shit's absolutely vile.

pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu though really, should be "50k fired from europe and americas"

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is 100% based on usg doctrine circa 1950s and onwards re: research even tangentially related to nukes

asciilifeform: ;;google born classified

gribble: Born secret - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_secret>; Security Classification of Information, volume 2 (Quist), Chapter Three: <http://www.fas.org/sgp/library/quist2/chap_3.html>; What Does "Born Secret" Mean? (with pictures) - wiseGEEK: <http://www.wisegeek.com/what-does-born-secret-mean.htm>

mircea_popescu: fuck them.

mircea_popescu: if anyone asks them anything i'll be sure to send them an email.,

BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform in a somewhat more sour mood than usual, on account of floppy drive in 486 having caught fire << This is tragedy actual floppy drives that haven't been run to shit or decayed on their own are increasingly rare

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the specimen i turned up has clearly seen better days.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 5v to gnd is a dead short.

asciilifeform: it bothers me that i am at a loss as to how this could even physically happen

asciilifeform: unit will have to be cut open, dissected.

mircea_popescu: i don't see it either.

mircea_popescu: what fire.

mircea_popescu: you had a nitrocellulose disk in there or what

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the power harness.

asciilifeform: overtemp from dead short in drive.

asciilifeform: incidentally, the au thing is more interesting than seems on the surface, because came directly out of 'wassenar agreement', a usg imposition on its entire colonial domain

asciilifeform: (including usa proper)

mircea_popescu: myeah.

asciilifeform: it was formally proclaimed that 'security tools' and especially 0days proper are now considered 'arms'

asciilifeform: like pgp in the '90s

BingoBoingo: USia just just starting to derp about itw Wassenar implementation

mircea_popescu: moreover, "this is where you have to break the laws of your country because we don't like breaking ours"

asciilifeform: interestingly, it is not even a treaty in the formal sense

asciilifeform: just an 'agreement'

asciilifeform: which means that legislatures do not get to discuss it as a yes/no

asciilifeform: but 'suck usg cock or else'

mircea_popescu: it is not worth the paper it's printed on.

asciilifeform: nato blok is run much like u.s. folk imagine warsaw pact was ran.

BingoBoingo: "There are no poisons that are specifically designed to kill lizards." >> http://www.ask.com/home-garden/poison-should-used-kill-lizards-ef7334a7b9c23689

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BingoBoingo: I wonder why?

mircea_popescu: lol

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo now drinking mellower pain thinners :D

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Taking the first half of the week off from that.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: afaik no lizard is a serious matter in agriculture. which would be why.

mircea_popescu: aha.

mircea_popescu: in fairness, plants did poison long before we showed up, and way better anyway.

mircea_popescu: we're basically trying to be substitute plants

mircea_popescu: "Defence said the new rules are necessary to stop the wrong technology falling into the hands of states or groups of proliferation concern." << this is bound to collide with bitcoin in the mid term, by the way.

mircea_popescu: states are untineresting, groups however...

asciilifeform: mid-term l0l

mircea_popescu: we're the state slayer. worst group ever.

asciilifeform: how about yesterday.

mircea_popescu: factually not yesterday, but anyway.

asciilifeform: it is also not a secret what they are pushing as 'wrong technology.'

asciilifeform: usg is working on plugging holes in the wintel-to-nsa pipeline.

mircea_popescu: aha.

BingoBoingo: Hence the intel graphics driver news

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: objective there is to herd the remaining linux/bsd diehards onto nvidia/ati

asciilifeform: 'want a vga card? run usg blobs. get on your knees, ready to please.'

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I thought it was to get people on the fence to return to winblows because they accidentally bought the wrong machine

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the only thing usg likes more than chump running winblows is a chump who thinks he isn't, but is.

mircea_popescu: that's a point.

BingoBoingo: yeah

mircea_popescu: and in between them, systemd.

asciilifeform: use of linux/bsd is a legal nsa 'selector.' this is publicly known by now.

asciilifeform: the proximate goal of wassenar etc. is not to jail academics (though the 'chilling effect' is a bonus for usg) but to herd the legit multinational corps who mine winblows 0days (e.g., 'vupen') and sell on market, into usg banners.

asciilifeform: 'do it under our watch or not at all'

mircea_popescu: romanian expression being "pasarea malai viseaza"

asciilifeform: (see old thread, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-04-2015#1091295 etc)

assbot: Logged on 07-04-2015 21:38:53; ascii_field: the qa meat robots determine 'yes it crashes if you feed it an odd number of letters in the address field' etc

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is that something like 'who speaks of what but the lousy will speak of baths' ?

mircea_popescu: "the bird dreams of ground corn"

asciilifeform: ('кто о чем а вшивый о бане')

asciilifeform: ah

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the full form actually is, "vrabia malai viseaza si lenesul praznic" (and the lazy man, a saint's day feast). sorta reminiscent of your drowned boy.

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: we have several versions of this proverb.

asciilifeform: 'и рыбку съесть и на хуй сесть' << '[wishes for] to both eat the fish -and- sit down on the cock'

mircea_popescu: lol

asciilifeform: (question is always asked, how are these two activities in conflict? one version holds that original was '[to wish for] to both eat the fish -and- suck the cock')

asciilifeform: yet another was that it started life as 'to wish for to eat the fish and -not- sit down on the cock'

asciilifeform: see also http://matpogovorki.jimdo.com/%D0%B8

assbot: И - Крупнейшая коллекция матерных поговорок ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1pHvZ )

asciilifeform: ^ large collection of similar proverbs.

asciilifeform: 'Ивану за атаку - хуй в сраку. А Маньке за пизду - Красную Звезду.' << related. 'ivan led the attack, got a cock in his back. masha's twat went far, got her a red star.' ( http://ordenrf.ru/upload/nagrady/orden-krasnoy-zvezdy-3-a.jpg )

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1q3mn )

asciilifeform: everyone who likes proverbs pertaining to buggery - straight to this mega-resource.

mircea_popescu: pretty sure fish = cunt here

mircea_popescu: in other news, http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GlWh-oQE7aM/UbcBnwxEz2I/AAAAAAAAAVM/cd9d-zEJPXo/s1600/188426_10150106868550178_120612075177_6796052_7699443_n.jpg"

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1F73aTl )

scoopbot_revived: Browder the Bitcoinless http://thewhet.net/2015/browder-the-bitcoinless/

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35364 @ 0.00037257 = 13.1756 BTC [+]

mod6: Switched over to gentoo hardened with uclibc on amazon to see if we can get a build of v0.5.3.1-RELEASE, and if so, hopfully get some profiling going here. This is what I'm workin with: http://dpaste.com/0B1CXQ8.txt

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1F74ndu )

decimation: asciilifeform: re: which prisoners: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/09/us-usa-new-york-prisoners-idUSKBN0OP1YF20150609

assbot: Convicted killer in New York prison break on third escape attempt| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0tWVD )

scoopbot_revived: US Government Shuts Down US Government Drug Manufacturing Operation http://qntra.net/2015/06/us-government-shuts-down-us-government-drug-manufacturing-operation/

decimation: it's been all over the news, has attracted half the cops in new york apparently

scoopbot_revived: Eulorean Crafting - The Pickaxe Illumination http://trilema.com/2015/eulorean-crafting-the-pickaxe-illumination/

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trinque: bahahaha, clicked "in other news link" expecting tits

trinque: got ducklings

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danielpbarron: !up goregrind

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158703 << i'm with herr limonov on this subject. the outlaw is '100x the man' of all of his pursuers put together.

assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 02:10:55; decimation: asciilifeform: re: which prisoners: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/09/us-usa-new-york-prisoners-idUSKBN0OP1YF20150609

asciilifeform: i personally wish him a long life and many successes.

mats: http://risky.biz/RB368

assbot: Risky Business #368 -- AusCERT edition: Brian Krebs, Eva Galperin and more! | Risky Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1MGUf19 )

asciilifeform: mats: i actually just finished that one, l0l

asciilifeform: (in a car)

mats: im told its p good 3/4

asciilifeform: galperin was a very sad case

asciilifeform: eff lobbyist who tells us that 'wassenar is a done deal, all that can be done is to litigate some of the edges off'

mats: as expected

mod6: I forget whom it might have been, maybe nubbins` who said that the openssl headers don't get copied correctly on gentoo from the openssl build dir into ourlibs/include/openssl, i can confirm.

decimation: asciilifeform: as I said, many catch a bullet in baltimore every day, nobody gives a shit

decimation: two outlaws escape prison, commit the crime of making gov't look like buffons

asciilifeform: decimation: no one gives half a damn what orcs do

asciilifeform: aha, escaped prisoner is 'affront to the majesty of the law' (tm) (r)

decimation: exactly, which in this case consists of state bureaucrats

decimation: just like dpr did

asciilifeform: ;;later tell hanbot http://thewhet.net/2015/browder-the-bitcoinless << do you recall tlp

assbot: Browder the Bitcoinless | The Whet ... ( http://bit.ly/1MGVhKE )

gribble: The operation succeeded.

asciilifeform: ;;later tell hanbot http://thewhet.net/2015/browder-the-bitcoinless << do you recall tlp's 'if you're reading it, it's for you' maxim? consider, why is this fella on front page of nyt? vs the $maxint other folks held without trial

assbot: Browder the Bitcoinless | The Whet ... ( http://bit.ly/1MGVkWY )

gribble: The operation succeeded.

asciilifeform: e.g., did bernard von nothaus get on front of nyt? why not?

decimation: asciilifeform: good point, also committed lese majeste

decimation: https://handleshaus.wordpress.com/2013/12/26/bullied-and-badgered-pressured-and-purged/ < many on herr handle's list too

assbot: Bullied and Badgered, Pressured and Purged | Handle's Haus ... ( http://bit.ly/1MGWWQg )

asciilifeform has met ^ alive a few times

asciilifeform: but not lately.

asciilifeform: we didn't really hit it off, and possibly also his boss ordered him to stop hanging out with hooligans.

decimation: I haven't met, would like too

decimation: too bad his blog seems dead

asciilifeform: hence (2)

mod6: hmm, weird, getting this error now: net.cpp: In function 'void ThreadOpenConnections2(void*)': net.cpp:1357:23: error: 'INT64_MIN' was not declared in this scope int64 nBest = INT64_MIN;

decimation: he occasionally posts on spandrell's

mod6: anyway, I'll pick this back up tomorrow. getting closer...

asciilifeform: herr handle works, well, you know where, https://handleshaus.wordpress.com/2014/01/04/a-fifth-column-in-every-pot/#comment-2056

assbot: A Fifth Column In Every Pot | Handle's Haus ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxHgQz )

decimation: heh someone should invite him here

asciilifeform: i doubt he'll show

danielpbarron: there are some people trying to get Bernard to speak at porcfest; not sure how that panned out

asciilifeform: my own personal picture of him is, he isn't 'ideological' usg, but rather a fella who quit a promising academic career to turn soldier, and went half-deaf in afghan, along with devil knows what else; but was then rewarded with lucrative bureaucrat post. he won't be giving it up.

danielpbarron: ah, apparently they sucessfully booked him

decimation: asciilifeform: probably alot of such in usg

danielpbarron: neato; I'll try to talk to this guy

asciilifeform: if herr handle turns up here, it will probably be in the 'ninjashotgun' capacity. so i'd rather he didn't

asciilifeform: let the man keep some dignity

mats: ah, the coveted 'ten point preference'

asciilifeform: mats: he's a lawyer.

asciilifeform: funnily enough.

decimation: I donno, I suspect usg is losing folks in droves

asciilifeform: decimation: the other usg.

asciilifeform: handle's usg is hiring.

mats: ah, assumed civil servant

asciilifeform: and bonusing.

asciilifeform: mats: lawyer employed as civil servant.

decimation: asciilifeform: nah, too hot of a potato

decimation: congress can't be caught doing anything positive for intel these days

asciilifeform: decimation: congress doesn't even sign off on that budget.

asciilifeform: ('intelligence committee' does. and signs like clockwork.)

decimation: lol of course they do

decimation: most of them just don't know what they are signing

asciilifeform: if they knew, they'd have to kill'em (tm) (r)

decimation: asciilifeform: what good can come from a congressman looking into secret stuff?

decimation: best case is nothing

trinque: the "they" that's smart enough to kill 'em is dumb enough to http://betanews.com/2013/01/03/windows-8-is-good-enough-for-the-us-department-of-defense/

assbot: Windows 8 is good enough for the US Department of Defense ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxHI1c )

asciilifeform: 'watchman may not know what is behind the door he is guarding; if he knew - would steal it himself' (tm) (r) (sov army)

decimation: worst case is that they learn something embarassing

trinque: we must be so goddamn tactically weak militarily at this point

trinque: the rot in our economy is surely there as well

asciilifeform: trinque: rot and infinite money, 200k usd office/fellatio assistants not only coexist, but go together like bread/butter

trinque: I'm sure

decimation: heh not on usg salary

decimation: unless they have general's pay

asciilifeform: decimation: intelligence has own pay grade ladder

asciilifeform: classified, and not subject to review except by self

trinque: and "intelligence" with which to make money

asciilifeform: plus access to butterball 'consulting' contracts

asciilifeform: where the actual money is

decimation: no doubt it's the private sector where usg showers it cash

decimation: asciilifeform: http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/NSA-Salaries-E41534.htm < lol

assbot: NSA Salaries | Glassdoor ... ( http://bit.ly/1MGYUjN )

decimation: doesn't look like big money to me

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asciilifeform: big money for folks with humble professions

asciilifeform: (e.g., programmers straight from school, maths grad students, etc)

trinque: about in line with working at a middling software company in portland

asciilifeform: plus the mega-benefits of guaranteed employment for life, fat pensions, health 'insurances', etc.

asciilifeform: herr handle bragged about keeping kid in day care 'guarded by battalion'

asciilifeform: obligatory: http://futurama.wikia.com/wiki/Bureaucrat_Song

assbot: Bureaucrat Song - Futurama Wiki, the Futurama database ... ( http://bit.ly/1MGZlKN )

trinque: heh!

decimation: lol it might be worth making a burner identity to read these reviews

trinque: with the abovementioned rot, I tend to anticipate the day when some US enemy of the many just turns whatever network-connected weapons we have inward.

trinque: everything the NSA and other unmentioned corruptors have done has made us utterly. weak.

trinque: and I know such systems are supposed to be disconnected from other networks, sure

trinque: like the boeing entertainment system

trinque: nobody ever connects a flash drive at the weapons installations

asciilifeform: trinque: go connect flash drive to pdp-8.

trinque: we're making new weapons-carrying machines all the time

asciilifeform: with 'microvax' (yes)

trinque: maybe they're safer than I think

trinque: I wouldn't mind that being the case.

asciilifeform: the only reason the nukes have not yet 'wandered off' is that the 'serious' part of usg works the same way as my house, or mircea_popescu's

asciilifeform: that is, on vintage iron

decimation: heh "Cons: The management. The lack of parking. The decrepit facilities. The location. The political fallout from recent events."

trinque: thank some god or another for that, then

decimation: doesn't sound like a sinecure to me

decimation: "cons: Process and management inhibit mission. Pay does not match market (as low as 60% of what you can get as a contractor)."

trinque: asciilifeform: still the thing must leak at the level of operational communications

trinque: I suppose that's what the win8 machines were for

decimation: "Very low quality workforce overall. At times NSA employment feels like welfare for ex-military who couldn't get better jobs. Moreover, because there are too many employees, we cannot reward the highest performers with a reasonable salary."

asciilifeform: no one ever talks about the 'up side' of being a bureaucrat, but i think it is necessary. otherwise you are stuck believing that these people are clinically insane (they are not.)

decimation: surely many of them are insane

decimation: otheres have found something interesting to do

trinque: not that insane to collect a good check and be relatively certain of life

asciilifeform: having worked in a very obscure usg bureaucracy (one of the many army labs) i will say this - it is a kind of valhalla for folks with own projects / ideas. not because anyone will support these (smoke less crack) but because there is virtually no accountability, management, or actual task

asciilifeform: you can sit there and do mostly whatever.

asciilifeform: for most of the 'staff', this consists of reading porn, yes

asciilifeform: but it is not mandatory

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