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asciilifeform: (sega actually made a pc! with built-in 'genesis' ! and it even shared memory with the pc, somehow. unknown outside of jp)
decimation remembers fondly going to the video rental store to rent nintendo games
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8050 @ 0.00041414 = 3.3338 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21933 @ 0.00041414 = 9.0833 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00041414 = 1.698 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19511 @ 0.00040704 = 7.9418 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.00040449 = 12.4785 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43031 @ 0.00040191 = 17.2946 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: !up Bingo_bar
mircea_popescu: !up chicago
Chicago: Hey thanks, Whats the topic this hour?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8415 @ 0.00040461 = 3.4048 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: hm. nothing much.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00040513 = 4.6185 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00040911 = 2.7819 BTC [+] {3}
cazalla: bingo_bar ya should be drinking and chatting to the honeys not irc nerds
cazalla: nice big areola
mircea_popescu: "We write elegant and minimal apps that works. We develop web apps with Django framework."
assbot: newest submissions : ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3001 @ 0.00041738 = 1.2526 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00041738 = 1.753 BTC [+]
punkman: !up NewLiberty
punkman: !up sinetek
assbot: [bitcoin-dev] Upcoming DOS vulnerability announcements for BitcoinCore ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25750 @ 0.00041738 = 10.7475 BTC [+]
punkman: !up awokestillY2K
awokestillY2K: thanks punk, rottentomatos is flagged too, loled on arnie
assbot: Greece debt crisis: Tsipras announces bailout referendum - BBC News ... ( )
punkman: apparently that's gonna cost about 100mil euros
mircea_popescu: what better use of money.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00040854 = 6.6592 BTC [-]
assbot: LOLAWOLF - Every Fuckin Day - YouTube ... ( )
cazalla: nice one america, now i'm gonna hear even more gay marriage bullshit downunder
cazalla: not that i really give a fuck what a bunch of gender bender trans fluid unicorns do, just the fucking posturing "i'm sooo progressive look at moi, look at moi, look at moooi"
awokestillY2K: lol, who gives a fuck?
punkman: what if you are allergic to rainbows
awokestillY2K: aussie refferendum would cost n100 rainbows
cazalla: awokestillY2K, ya know this will be the hot topic the aus gov uses at the next election to pass the baton
awokestillY2K: bitcoin unaffected
awokestillY2K: you can thank your favourite god that noones forcing anyone to get married
cazalla: !up awokestillY2K
cazalla: u trollin' me vexual?
awokestillY2K: hell no
awokestillY2K: here im starting to work on 48 unit billable days tho
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68944 @ 0.000402 = 27.7155 BTC [-] {2}
awokestillY2K: im looking for ore to build u a 316 10kg machete
cazalla: i'm good machete wise
awokestillY2K: nuff said
awokestillY2K: machetes are for plantlife kids, lets make that clear
awokestillY2K: thats not illegal yet?
assbot: Office of the Governor - Greg Abbott - [Press Release] Governor Abbott Statement On Supreme Court Ruling On Same-Sex Marriage ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00039718 = 11.4388 BTC [-]
awokestillY2K: personally, i'd prefer law and religion separate
awokestillY2K: too many abbotts
cazalla: i'm hoping it will act as kindling
cazalla: more crazies doing their thing is how
awokestillY2K: seen dope(2015) yet?
awokestillY2K: whats mine is mine whats yours is yours
cazalla: nah, have not been to the cinemas in years
awokestillY2K: me neither
awokestillY2K: i did see madmax on someones recoommendatiuon
awokestillY2K: poor cunt spent half the movie with forks for teeth
cazalla: fuck paying $25 to sit through 45m of commercials.. the fucking hide
cazalla: !up awokestillY2K
awokestillY2K: i think i paid 8.50
cazalla: independents bit too far for me to bother
awokestillY2K: check the xits for entry
awokestillY2K: youll rage tho
awokestillY2K: if you're a madmax fan
fluffypony: cazalla: agreed
awokestillY2K: u seen it pony?
fluffypony: replaced our TV with a Canon WUX400ST
awokestillY2K: nevermind ill release the breeders
fluffypony: and got a Silver Ticket projector screen
awokestillY2K: not bothered
fluffypony: now there's no way I'm going to the movies again
awokestillY2K: i got stuck to the seat
awokestillY2K: waiting for 3d
awokestillY2K: oldman moved, tasty arrived
awokestillY2K: i dont see it
cazalla: can't see 3d.. took me something like 20 years to understand why i couldn't see those stereoscopic books as a kid too
awokestillY2K: its a schooner!
cazalla: ya drinking awokestillY2K ?
awokestillY2K: ^mallratz
cazalla: i'll take that as a yes (still sober this month)
awokestillY2K: im planning sober 2.0
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17332 @ 0.00039868 = 6.9099 BTC [+]
cazalla: i'm thinking i'll refrain unless i make it myself.. have a guava here and in a few years time shahtoot mulberries should be big enough to make something
awokestillY2K: bats rape mine
cazalla: put up some netting
assbot: Awreeoh - Don't Get Deleted - YouTube ... ( )
cazalla: we had possums.. had
awokestillY2K: fuck that, gotta pull the cunts out, hendra
awokestillY2K: rabies too
awokestillY2K: how to solve possum?
cazalla: ask them nicely to leave?
awokestillY2K: whats the purple bin for?
cazalla: nfi
assbot: Coloured bins | Problems | Starts 9pm, Wednesday, 21 Nov 2012 on ABC1 - YouTube ... ( )
cazalla: aww shit mate gotta put the bins out
awokestillY2K: u should hear my recycling bin
awokestillY2K: breaking glass
awokestillY2K: neighbours know whats going on like ur dicks on tumbler
cazalla: nah, that bouncing sound
awokestillY2K: shit dont break
assbot: #ProudToLove - Celebrating Marriage Equality and LGBT Pride Month - YouTube ... ( )
awokestillY2K: man i love rainbows as much as the next guy, but i like pussy
cazalla: how self absorbed can one be to make a coming out video where you don't really come out to your parents but just send them a link to a video
cazalla: !up awokestillY2K
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23550 @ 0.00040982 = 9.6513 BTC [+]
awokestillY2K: does anyone not read ass these days?
assbot: Snoop Dogg, Dr.Dre & Jewell - Just Dippin' - YouTube ... ( )
assbot: /b/ - Clothes on and off ... ( )
awokestillY2K: you want me to quote on areolae?
cazalla: whatever takes your fancy
awokestillY2K: quick glance i see nothing
cazalla: half these women have shaving rash mind you, guess noone told em about wax
awokestillY2K: theres ;;lasers now
awokestillY2K: big in milan
awokestillY2K: !g japan gorilla
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41100 @ 0.00041392 = 17.0121 BTC [+] {2}
cazalla: damn this one used a broken bottle to shave
cazalla: check the arms heh
awokestillY2K: hey if you dont want a precise machete thats ur biz
cazalla: nothing like a bit of period on the thighs
awokestillY2K: im orf to bali to buy cocaine from a north african and install the latest russian adobe update]
awokestillY2K: its all ruit, what else u got?
assbot: South Pacific: Bali Hai - 1949, Martin & Pinza - YouTube ... ( )
cazalla: ya know that ukrainian doll never came back
awokestillY2K: which one?
cazalla: mfc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29684 @ 0.0004134 = 12.2714 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 99 @ 0.054 = 5.346 BTC [-]
awokestillY2K: shes prolly making more elsewhere
awokestillY2K: aint no crime
cazalla: !up awokestillY2K
cazalla: shame that nearly all of 'em don't give as much as a smile
awokestillY2K: sorry, thats on me
assbot: Bali High OST - "Bali High" [Official Video] - YouTube ... ( )
cazalla: !up sinetek
awokestillY2K: !up sinetek
cazalla: ya know if you regged a fucking gpg key ya might be able to do that awokestillY2K
awokestillY2K: when eulora has instructions
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23989 @ 0.00041485 = 9.9518 BTC [+] {2}
awokestillY2K: whats ur story sinetek?
cazalla: awokestillY2K, it does
assbot: US Supreme Court ruling in favour of same-sex marriage could influence debate in Australia, federal politicians say - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... ( )
assbot: Apartment - YouTube ... ( )
assbot: Major Lazer & DJ Snake - Lean On (Feat. MØ) (Jonas Aden Remix) - YouTube ... ( )
assbot: Major Lazer & DJ Snake - Lean On (feat. MØ) (Official Music Video) - YouTube ... ( )
awokestillY2K: 0 princesses
lobbesbot: New post: Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Heiko ; ) || Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=30064771079 (Heiko ; )
punkman: lots of empty ATMs from what I hear
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18689 @ 0.00040982 = 7.6591 BTC [-]
punkman: !up awokestillY2K
awokestillY2K: greek atms?
punkman: also acquaintances told to come back monday when they tried to take out cash yesterday
punkman: before then announcement that is
punkman: *the
awokestillY2K: look on the bright side, youll prolly get cool aussie polymer notes u can swim wit
awokestillY2K: we're tight with the imf
punkman: gonna be a fun week I guess
awokestillY2K: !g red diamond
awokestillY2K: argyles autioning the reddest stone ever
assbot: PHOTOS: The 2015 Argyle pink diamond tender | Business Insider ... ( )
assbot: Suede - She's In Fashion - YouTube ... ( )
awokestillY2K: euro was a fucked idea from day 1
awokestillY2K: really what r u selling?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66000 @ 0.00041953 = 27.689 BTC [+] {5}
awokestillY2K: punkman might not care but erry useless cunt on the floor wants out
awokestillY2K: thats about right eh punk?
punkman: yeah everyone taking out their 500eur to keep under the mattress
awokestillY2K: meanwhile errone with a shed heres syntheticing diamonds
punkman: gonna be a great week for burglars
awokestillY2K: really?
punkman: well not hard to hide 10 bills, but I'm sure there'll be some jackpots
assbot: Suede - She's In Fashion - YouTube ... ( )
assbot: John Farnham - Pressure Down - YouTube ... ( )
awokestillY2K: wronger
assbot: Σπύρος γραμμένος & χορωδία "αγάπη ρε+" Έπεσα απ' τα σύννεφα - YouTube ... ( )
awokestillY2K: whats tyhis\?
awokestillY2K: tastes like lamb goat
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 306 @ 0.00629999 = 1.9278 BTC [-]
awokestillY2K: where goat is best lamb,being most resourceful\
awokestillY2K: i only eat the cheese, but still
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.00041665 = 9.1246 BTC [-]
punkman: !up awokestillY2K
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23850 @ 0.00039718 = 9.4727 BTC [-]
assbot: Cypress Hill & Rusko feat Damian Marley "Can't Keep Me Down" - Video Dailymotion ... ( )
awokestillY2K: senn dogg left after this
awokestillY2K: do you even mine?
awokestillY2K: pankkake?
awokestillY2K: back pon a forum
awokestillY2K: u think we dont wake up and check github?
awokestillY2K: we need u bruz
awokestillY2K: whatever
assbot: Nicki Minaj - Only (Lyric) ft. Drake, Lil Wayne, Chris Brown - YouTube ... ( )
awokestillY2K: u need to make you a sword?
awokestillY2K: i think i owe u 0.5
assbot: paranoid black sabbath (lyrics included) - YouTube ... ( )
punkman: sword or machete
awokestillY2K: machete dont text
awokestillY2K: and is heavy
awokestillY2K: fuck a gookface
awokestillY2K: gookface gets +5
assbot: full metal jacket intro monologue - YouTube ... ( )
punkman: !up BtQqZrS6gLw
punkman: are those brainwallets
BtQqZrS6gLw: nah that kylie minogue circa '93\
BtQqZrS6gLw: 0 brain
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98758 @ 0.00039335 = 38.8465 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: Future - Move That Dope ft. Pharrell Williams, Pusha T - YouTube ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21762 @ 0.00039198 = 8.5303 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9588 @ 0.00039113 = 3.7502 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: The Dukes of Hazzard S03E18 By-Line, Daisy Duke - Video Dailymotion ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00039587 = 4.7504 BTC [+]
assbot: WOLF CREEK Trailer (HD) - YouTube ... ( )
assbot: Machete Dildo - You're a Cop (Anal Cunt Cover) - YouTube ... ( )
assbot: Machete Don't Text! - YouTube ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.00039587 = 1.0491 BTC [+]
punkman: !up doyouevenpan
doyouevenpan: machete being the motherfuckinest
doyouevenpan: put the fuck on a horse hell inver and ride pon the belly strap
assbot: Microsoft quietly pushes 18 new trusted root certificates · HA ... ( )
assbot: Daryl Braithwaite - One Summer - YouTube ... ( )
assbot: Kaoma - Lambada (HQ) - YouTube ... ( )
doyouevenpan: better draw a line on fat hate
doyouevenpan: eureka!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00039443 = 8.8352 BTC [-]
doyouevenpan: u need a seamstress tape?
doyouevenpan: just go around!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35753 @ 0.00039112 = 13.9837 BTC [-]
assbot: Ritchie Valens - La Bamba - YouTube ... ( )
assbot: Earache My Eye Metal - YouTube ... ( )
assbot: Cheech & Chong - Earache My Eye - YouTube ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17985 @ 0.00040181 = 7.2266 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Cheech & Chong - Low Rider - YouTube ... ( )
assbot: Rockin' Robin (Original) - YouTube ... ( )
assbot: Cheech and Chong - Me and my old lady - YouTube ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48000 @ 0.00039429 = 18.9259 BTC [-] {3}
punkman: (tm)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26200 @ 0.00039107 = 10.246 BTC [-]
decimation: asciilifeform: heres yer mandatory keys
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 << do you know of a way to constrain the width of the graphical diagrams ? (such that they might fit on a reasonable display...)
assbot: bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches { }: bitcoin/src/protocol.cpp File Reference ... ( )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22680 @ 0.0004091 = 9.2784 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29800 @ 0.00040932 = 12.1977 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00040875 = 11.0363 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46800 @ 0.00039999 = 18.7195 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41859 @ 0.00039894 = 16.6992 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: (and is that a bagpipe ?!)
mats: hue hue
mats: four months of trading on mpex has turned 40btc into almost 80
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00039894 = 8.9363 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: mats beat my record, l0l
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23257 @ 0.00039894 = 9.2781 BTC [-]
asciilifeform shudders to think how much time he would blow on mpexing if he still had account
mats: it helps that i have a window open for this channel most of the day
asciilifeform: i think just about everybody here has a separate display panel for it...
chetty: me doesn't
asciilifeform: chetty doesn't need one, lives in the meat b-a
chetty: :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17450 @ 0.00039164 = 6.8341 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00040353 = 1.8966 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10550 @ 0.00040353 = 4.2572 BTC [+]
mod6: asciilifeform: hi, no unfortunately I end up doing a bunch of side-scrolling too.
mod6: when I get a chance, i'll see if there is anything to be done about it. (if anyone has any suggestions, let me know)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51800 @ 0.000392 = 20.3056 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37614 @ 0.00040103 = 15.0843 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2599 @ 0.00041272 = 1.0727 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3053 @ 0.00039618 = 1.2095 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15234 @ 0.00039618 = 6.0354 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29816 @ 0.00039119 = 11.6637 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Ask HN: Why don't tech companies build dorms on campus? | Hacker News ... ( )
asciilifeform: doesn't google corp. have'em ?
punkman: not sure
punkman: common in china though, works well for them
assbot: Logged on 27-06-2015 03:32:52; decimation: he has some interesting posts relating chinese history:
assbot: Logged on 09-07-2014 00:04:59; asciilifeform: pierce << ideal example of the animal described on one of mircea_popescu's essays - he could be packed into prison for life, any time, based on what's in his file. so he does as instructed.
asciilifeform: 'giving the handle' is how pedos came to play their seemingly disproportionate share in all american structures, from sport clubs to state governments
mats: hacker dorms is a common thing
mats: e.g. 'Workday'
asciilifeform: whassat
mats: software company that puts interns in such dorms for the summer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18401 @ 0.00041261 = 7.5924 BTC [+] {2}
lobbesbot: New post: Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=12884901891 (Christoph Giesel ; ) || Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=12884901891 (Christoph Giesel ; )
mats: in exchange they get to put on their resume, 'Associate Software Engineer -- Workday, Inc'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00040851 = 10.2945 BTC [-] {2}
mats: i would not want to live and breathe work but to each their own
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24036 @ 0.00039194 = 9.4207 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37600 @ 0.00039194 = 14.7369 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 27-06-2015 15:57:03; mats: four months of trading on mpex has turned 40btc into almost 80
asciilifeform: mats: many of the arguments against 'google dorm' don't hold water. e.g., the current 'collect 200k/y salary, give 180k/y to housing racket' system is just as impoverishing; 'lose your job, lose your housing' is just as true now for the fools paying those 180k to live in auto range of palo alto etc.; the squalor is just the same in the palo alto 'efficiency' flat as in any dorm; and so forth
mats: its really not that much for housing
mats: you can rent 1br1ba with living room in santa clara for ~2500/mo
asciilifeform: mats: if you're willing to spend half the day in a car
mats: which is 25mins commute from e.g. infinity loop
mats: (former resident of cupertino here)
asciilifeform: there's gotta be a catch
mats: there is not
asciilifeform: tanstaafl (tm) (r)
mats: marginally more hispanics and crime but not noticeable
asciilifeform: mats: so how do you explain the astronomical real estate near the sv gas giants ?
mats: im not saying its not reasonable
mats: but service industry slaves do get by with living within driving distance and renting
asciilifeform: and cabbies spend 12h/day in car, what of it
mats: you won't get the lifestyle seen on HBO's Silicon Valley but it is workable
asciilifeform: l0l the folks in 'silicon valley' live in a flophouse
mats: i refer to kid being promoted beyond competence who buys yacht
asciilifeform: but yes, if the show were realistic they would spend most of each episode in traffic
assbot: Logged on 06-04-2014 14:59:26; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ok. considering the what/how debate as accepted foundation : at any time there's a number of turkeys and a number of engineers.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9204 @ 0.00039194 = 3.6074 BTC [-]
assbot: Unwind Better on the Balcony of This 1BR/1BA Apartment Today! ... ( )
mats: heh, 645 sq ft
asciilifeform: bet it's got no dishwasher
asciilifeform: (pestilentially common problem where i live, on the other coast, also)
asciilifeform: sorta like having no toilet
asciilifeform: yes, you can live there...
mats: you have my condolences
jurov: as it happens... i have no dishwasher, too
asciilifeform: does jurov have dishes ?
jurov: lol i do. but nothing that can't be washed in 5 minutes
jurov: and since there's pub with good food and kebap around the corner...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56650 @ 0.00039163 = 22.1858 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform used to do that
asciilifeform: jurov: the bleeding edge of this, as i understand, is jp, where you can live in a kind of 'coffin'
asciilifeform: looks sorta like the multi-'resident' mausoleums in b-a cemetery
asciilifeform: open vault, squeeze in, sleep (or watch movies on the little screen)
jurov: i see... but i kinda like to get served and meet neighbors in that pub
asciilifeform: well yes. sleep in coffin, then get up, pub.
jurov: yay!
jurov: when i got a window fixed some months ago, asked them to add external blinds
jurov: and i do use them to have darkness like in coffin :D
asciilifeform: got those here, works great
asciilifeform: except that sometimes forget to wake up
jurov: ^that
jurov: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 248.86, Best ask: 248.87, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 248.87, 24 hour volume: 14381.80943877, 24 hour low: 241.45, 24 hour high: 249.77, 24 hour vwap: None
jurov: did xinhua say anything?
mats: no
asciilifeform: jurov: << the tombs in question
jurov: haha doesn't look very comfortable
asciilifeform: the ones for live customers in jp are a bit cushier iirc
mats: they prefer the term 'space pods'
jurov: and if, i'd prefer to get cremated every evening instead
assbot: Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( )
asciilifeform: phoenix hotel.
mats:  ;;calc [ticker --currency CNY --last]/[ticker --currency USD --last]
mats: ;;calc [ticker --currency CNY --last]/[ticker --currency USD --last]
gribble: Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
mats: useless
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00039778 = 7.9158 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34400 @ 0.0004012 = 13.8013 BTC [+]
shinohai: !up TRS80`
shinohai: $fap.lesbian
TRS80`: shinohai: 2013-03-29T12:00:00+0000: Nasty Lesbian Threesome <>
shinohai: $part
lobbesbot: New post: Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=11 (Trustcenter_EU ; )
punkman: lots of germans eh
asciilifeform: ;;later tell lobbes can haz the url of phuctored key preserved in bot ? ty
gribble: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: @ asciilifeform I made a phuctored command for my bot so I can always see the latest keys
assbot: Welcome | Phuctor ... ( )
shinohai: $phuctor 5
shinohai: well
shinohai: $part
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60676 @ 0.00039062 = 23.7013 BTC [-] {3}
shinohai: Hmmm. I think I will give that a shot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65174 @ 0.00038989 = 25.4107 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30300 @ 0.00038855 = 11.7731 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Logged on 27-06-2015 15:57:03; mats: four months of trading on mpex has turned 40btc into almost 80
mircea_popescu: << hey could it link to the actual key page rather than the rss ?
assbot: Logged on 27-06-2015 18:08:28; lobbesbot: New post: Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=12884901891 (Christoph Giesel ; ) || Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=12884901891 (Christoph Giesel ; )
asciilifeform asked this today..
mircea_popescu: and in other news... 73.
mircea_popescu: Trustcenter_EU <>; among the lulziest.
asciilifeform: thrustcenter
asciilifeform: << it's a hash. and chopping hashes is quite possibly how we ended up on planet with phuctorable keys in the first place!
jurov: i see. full hashes should be used everywhere. except for btc-dev patches ;D
mircea_popescu: not like anyon ahahahaha zing
mircea_popescu: not like anyone types those by hand or tries to memorize them jurov
mircea_popescu: what's the actual ux case for shortening it.
jurov: btw, have you seen my conclusion that gpg signature does not contain anything useful?
asciilifeform: jurov: yes!
asciilifeform: jurov: you were quite right, it won't do, and i oughta have remembered this factoid
mircea_popescu: assbot: Unwind Better on the Balcony of This 1BR/1BA Apartment Today! <<< ahahaha omfg.
asciilifeform: but munged filenames still stink
mircea_popescu: i'd have so much trouble paying more than 4, maaaaybe 500 bucks for something like that....
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 500 buys a doghouse here. don't even want to imagine what it buys on west coast usa
jurov: well. i am sending hashes in headers too, but getting anyone to use them...
mircea_popescu: << don't be a noob. dishes are merely the expansion of an invisible slave empire. if you have jets you better have slave hands to go to the farmer market, and to fill the dishes, anbd to wash the dishes.
assbot: Logged on 27-06-2015 18:56:30; asciilifeform: does jurov have dishes ?
mircea_popescu: jurov i suspect trhat is the correct approach : add to the header space.
asciilifeform: whatever happened to the dark future of robot slaves
mircea_popescu: fuck that.
mircea_popescu: figuratively speaking.
asciilifeform: see, i'm one of those weirdos who keeps, for instance, a computerized vacuum cleaner
asciilifeform: because 1) no i won't do it with bare hands 2) yes, could pay people, but i ~fucking hate people~
mircea_popescu: in other news, omfg bitcoind is a hog.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which one ?
mircea_popescu: the stock one.
mircea_popescu: we fucking forget. omfg the thing... no wonder nobody runs it. i doubt very much it can be run. like, at all.
asciilifeform: (yes, they're all porcine, but which hog? the little piglet, the muscular european boar, or the half-tonne monster fucked on midwest usa farms ..?)
mircea_popescu: i am looking at 10!!111 load on a 8 cpu, 32 gb raid ssd machine.
asciilifeform: it doesn't parallelize
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu oughtaknowthat
mircea_popescu: the cpu utilization is actually low, but the load is immense because i dunno wtf it does but something stupid.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, it's multithreaded doesn't parallelize :D
mircea_popescu: it's from teh future.
asciilifeform: there's precisely 1 thread that does actual werk
asciilifeform: (if you like thinking about scary dangerous forkz, picture changing this!)
jurov: mircea_popescu: did you publish your addy? it may be an attack
mircea_popescu: this is an unadvertised test run of various releases.
jurov: my 0.10 is chugging around on celeron+5400rpm spinning rot okay
mircea_popescu: the advertised seeder has been working more or less ok - it's not being attacked more than is implicit in the protocol lol.
mircea_popescu: something to the tune of 30ish connections, which seems reasonable for a day old peer.
jurov: o it still syncs?
jurov: lol no it actually died
jurov: 2015-06-27 19:30:42 ERROR: AcceptToMemoryPool : nonstandard transaction: dust
jurov: 2015-06-27 19:30:48 ERROR: ReadBlockFromDisk : OpenBlockFile failed
jurov: ^last log before croaking
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mircea_popescu: jurov so wait, is this your 0.10 that was working ok ?
jurov: was.
mircea_popescu: "oh my computer is working fine with bitcoind stopped on it"
mircea_popescu: as an absolute prerequisite to any sort of block increase we ABSOLUTELY MUST clean up these shit-stables
jurov: it ran for months till hour and half ago
jurov: watching it restart...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw in the spirit of the "connect" issue : having public and private data separate is iirc not supported STILL. you gotta keep the wallet.dat in same place you keep the blockchain. gold help you if you want it encrypted.
asciilifeform: wallet has to be sawn off as discussed in the past
mircea_popescu: this without going into why the wallet.dat, after being plaintext for a coupla years, was only half-ass encryupted.
asciilifeform: anything short of that is waste of time
asciilifeform: (wallet on separate box, z80 if you like, etc)
mircea_popescu: wasn't trying to write policy, just bemoan existing insanity.
asciilifeform: if you just want it in some other dir, symlink...
mircea_popescu: i just amply dislike ~the design~ of it.
asciilifeform: not even sure what there is to ~like~ in the design
asciilifeform: it successfully passes for microshit product, stylistically (and in many ways functionally)
mircea_popescu: << i have them too, the result is that i sometimes forget to sleep./
assbot: Logged on 27-06-2015 19:04:04; asciilifeform: except that sometimes forget to wake up
asciilifeform: same effect here.
asciilifeform: and i don't have a clock (other than emacs clock) in the room either
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ahaha if it turns out this was actually written by poor ms indian slavebois, who kept anon simply because of the draconing IP contracts thery had signed...
asciilifeform: or buried alive with the thing
asciilifeform: egyptian-style
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's a wonder i even managed to make the conference at all. i haven't had a watch or aty allcared about time in a decade.
mircea_popescu: at some point travelling i was like "fuck it, WHO CARES what time they thinkg it is."
asciilifeform: wat, mircea_popescu doesn't have a girl follow him around imitating clock hands with arms, legs...?!
mircea_popescu: there is a "no undies - i wanna be able to fondle your cunt" rule, but s'about all.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i have nfi what you're proposing, but my thinking is that it's more expensive and less productive to think proactively rather than reactively.
mircea_popescu: once a bot or w/e goes off, we see what we do. before, we don't give a shit.
asciilifeform mumbles something about parachutes
mircea_popescu: this of course is painful for every good white boy to hear, as it's strictly antipattern and countercultural,
mircea_popescu: and im sure it exactly - irritates alf's parachutes.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, there is great benefit to being antipattern countercultural when being a guerilla.
asciilifeform: of course folks often forget the other thing about the parachute thing - in sov army, they usedta make you sign it, 'i folded this parachute myself. signed, pvt. schmuck'
mircea_popescu: if it made sense to not be thus, you couldn't be, ~COULD NOT BE~ a guerilla if you wanted to
mircea_popescu: which is why gi joe is so useless in the field.
mircea_popescu: other than that, published code is a good idea, sure. but also - anything is its maker property, and the people in question makin things can best decide what to do with it.
asciilifeform: phun phakt: my father was conscripted into a parachutist regiment. and by that time (late '60s) schmucks were no longer! permitted to fold their own.
asciilifeform: sergeant folded.
mircea_popescu: i think most everyone's using github or w/e - but it wouldn't maybe be such a bad idea to start putting deeds out with the code bundles. with instructions. "run this so and so"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform heh
asciilifeform: turned out, the 'fold your own' thing resulted in too many (from pov of command) splats.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: deeds with code bundles and instructions makes sense.
pete_dushenski: and i have no qualms with reacting to circumstance, i'm more getting at : what's to be done with unassigned functions
mircea_popescu: pick a gun pick a post.
mircea_popescu: how every revolutionary war was ever won.
pete_dushenski: pick a gun, pick a post ? not familiar with this one
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: here's an unassigned gun for some eager fella: crap out an ibmpc buildroot for therealbitcoin. as in, something one could throw in the iso slot at a datacentre
mircea_popescu: a loosely maintained list of posts, and a loosely maintained list of "don't shoot that way dummy" makes sense, but s'about all.
asciilifeform: ideally, no install, just finds a block device and shits blockchain to it
asciilifeform: without asking questions
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: nvm, got the post-gun thing now
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know this isn't a random process. what makes you think it's for him ?
asciilifeform: it isn't
asciilifeform: just example!
asciilifeform: of an empty post
mircea_popescu: atm the entry level thing for coders is, "follow the pogo thing, build along, test cases etc". for non-coders is, qntra.
mircea_popescu: for artists i suppose it's eulora work etc. there's really no shortage o shit to do.
mircea_popescu: kinda why i keep asking people "who are you". nobody seems to ever be anyone, which is odd, but anyway.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: the ibmpc buildroot sounds like a spec for the 'trilema jobs board'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is really asking'em 'кто ты по жизни'
asciilifeform: and they don't feel like answering, so we can sorta guess!
mircea_popescu: hehe wouldn't go that far
mircea_popescu: "the demands of meatspace readily overwhelm the demands of #bitcoin-assets" << this is everyone's own measure to measure.
asciilifeform: i propose the standard unit of measure be '1 moiety'
pete_dushenski: insert "may" in there, mentally
asciilifeform: large unit, like farad
mircea_popescu: i don't see why i'd want to have an equivalent of the mcd supervisor, calling people at home to remind them they work.
mircea_popescu: just not what this thing's supposed to be, in my dreams.
pete_dushenski: well, people still need incentives
pete_dushenski: sometimes financial, sometimes honourary, sometimes a million other things in a million other ways
mircea_popescu: yes, but the deliberate design of incentive structures is a bad idea.
mircea_popescu: because the only thing it does is select for and breed rats.
mircea_popescu: much like tests in school select for and breed test takers.
pete_dushenski: hm. i have more mulling to do on the topic, it seems.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, people also need self-esteem. i'm not about to "provide" it for them, in vacu-sealed packages. and they need to hunt, which does not reduce to "i'ma let a half dozen naked girlies loose in their room see what happens". that's how rich people destroy their children.
pete_dushenski: is providing something to hunt, or the directions to the hunting field, not 'incentive structure' ?
mircea_popescu: seems you've fucked that hole into some looseness by now...
asciilifeform: didn't mircea_popescu teach us that holes work-anneal ?
mircea_popescu: real ones, yes.
asciilifeform: (like aluminum)
mircea_popescu: kinda how you know if you're fucking live or plastic.
mircea_popescu: (btw - never ask virgin to clamp down on you. it's a little discussed fact that vast majority of penis captivus cases come out of something lik that)
asciilifeform never saw anything like solid evidence that said effect actually exists in man
mircea_popescu: (because of the tearing, vagal never innervation makes the smooth muscles over-reactive)
mircea_popescu: does, does.
mircea_popescu: ;;google vaginismus
gribble: Vaginismus: Causes, Symptoms, and Treatment - WebMD: <>; Vaginismus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; When Sex Hurts – Vaginismus - SOGC: <>
asciilifeform: ^ not same as captivus
mircea_popescu: but very related. a spasm is always at the root of both
mircea_popescu: think of pc as "vaginismus that declared while guy was inside"
asciilifeform: well yes, this is the theory
mircea_popescu: (amusingly enough, romanian even has expression to describe this in man - "s-or catelit" ie, they've doggied themselves)
asciilifeform: but evidence for actual case of 'stuck' (in man, not dog) is approx. on par with evidence for loch ness dinosaur
mircea_popescu: you can't get stuck in dog.
mircea_popescu: missing some anatomy.
asciilifeform: dog in dog
asciilifeform: (where this is sop)
mircea_popescu: anyway, nah, it happens.
mircea_popescu: dja regard priapismus in same light incidentally ?
asciilifeform: nah that one's bog-simple anatomically
asciilifeform: and pestilentially common
mircea_popescu: aha. same principle tho.
mircea_popescu: innervation driven muscular spasms blocks blood egress
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mircea_popescu: ftr, there is no serious evidence as to the exact fisiology of vaginismus either.
mircea_popescu: just accepted.
mircea_popescu: The Most Serene Republic Of~ << this sounds great i gotta say.
pete_dushenski: twas a mighty invention, that.
asciilifeform owns a book with title 'the of' on the spine
mircea_popescu: "I am Hilde, from the Most Serene Republic of Tilde"
pete_dushenski: sounds blonde
asciilifeform: hilde, the she-wolf of tildeschwitz
mircea_popescu: totally. tildeschwitz.
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asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: << re: article - see also.
assbot: Studies Find Reward Often No Motivator - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation ... ( )
mircea_popescu: rewards work well if they're genuine.
jurov: haha, so far "eulora client hacker" positions were filled quickest
mircea_popescu: which is to say : come from things not people.
jurov: dunno about reward there
asciilifeform: genuine in the sense that 'i killed this bison myself'
mircea_popescu: jurov you can fly!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly.
mircea_popescu: the bison - genuinely died.
asciilifeform: and tasty
mircea_popescu: how tasty it is never amounts to much impediment.
asciilifeform: well, at least rudimentarily edible
mircea_popescu: cum's the tastiest thing i nature from what i hear, nobody hunts the cock.
punkman: I trimmed the bison's butthairs, but they grew back.
mircea_popescu: actually... nevermind. my burgeois mentality betrays me.,
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jurov: orly, nobody hunts the cocks?
jurov: scientia sciolorum est mixta ignorantia
jurov: (just some snippet i found today, might be vaguely related, but smells by lingua latina canina)
assbot: Lingua latina non penis canina — Lurkmore ... ( )
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jurov: my favourite motto was lately "Historia meretrix vitae" .. on seeing these examples I'm thinking how to get it penetrating
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pete_dushenski: also, google finance is as bad as gbtc on otcmarkets : "52 week 1,844.09 - 4,526.92" when peak is clearly 5166 on june 12
pete_dushenski: how hard it this shit ?
pete_dushenski: either way, an *index* losing 19% in two weeks is 2008-level of panic
jurov: SHA got cracked?
williamdunne: Down a flight of stairs
assbot: Logged on 27-06-2015 20:39:10; mircea_popescu: << i thought you didn't exist.
assbot: Logged on 25-06-2015 17:05:14; mircea_popescu: <danielpbarron> << ya << shit, there go my ocr skills!
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assbot: Want a shorter commute? Pay $900 a month to live in a tent near Google - SFGate ... ( )
asciilifeform: ^ not tent
asciilifeform: or hm, just irrelevant photo
asciilifeform: 'Rented a tent, a tent, a tent; / Rented a tent, a tent, a tent. / Rented a tent! / Rented a tent! / Rented a, rented a tent.' -- k. vonnegut. 'sirens of titan' (1959)
pete_dushenski: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 251.3, Best ask: 251.31, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 251.32, 24 hour volume: 18319.32232325, 24 hour low: 242.6, 24 hour high: 251.77, 24 hour vwap: None
asciilifeform: google folks should prepare for the 5000/mo tents.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46550 @ 0.00041582 = 19.3564 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: because market!
asciilifeform: nobody cancelled marketz!
asciilifeform: that they aren't breathing $5/litre air is only a matter of technological limitations.
asciilifeform: when they can - will.
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jurov: free daily cremations!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33350 @ 0.00039409 = 13.1429 BTC [-] {2}
williamdunne: Any speculation on what's going to happen with Greece in the coming years then?
williamdunne: Massive decline or outright collapse, followed by the rise of a Nazi party or similar?
jurov: preposterous prosperity!
pete_dushenski: << it certainly leads to, how shall i put it, "wordiness" on qntra. certainly not all the time, but that's the temptation.
assbot: Logged on 27-06-2015 21:21:25; mircea_popescu: yes, but the deliberate design of incentive structures is a bad idea.
trinque: pete_dushenski: part of the answer to the question of making the republic's bot services fault tolerant is getting them within a damn wotnet
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pete_dushenski: how do you mean ?
trinque: well, suppose for example someone hates freedom and steals from me
cazalla: pete_dushenski, be specific because i go so far as to exclude the monthly reports from the word counts
pete_dushenski: trinque: go on...
asciilifeform: trinque: wotnet still made of people
trinque: from within the wotnet I may (depending on its design) be able to explicitly delegate the hosting task to some other trusted party should I be absent
pete_dushenski: cazalla: mostly bb's run-on redundancies.
pete_dushenski: cazalla: i have no problem with network diff posts btw
trinque: asciilifeform: yes but not made of DNS necessarily, or any particular IP
cazalla: i really don't think he does that in order to scoop up a few additional shares though
mircea_popescu: williamdunne no dude. greece has the african scam down pat.
mircea_popescu: it's going to simply leech money off a different husband
mircea_popescu: prolly, russia.
williamdunne: Russia too broke, no?
williamdunne: Maybe some Greek princes will emerge
mircea_popescu: when did that happen ?
trinque: they've got craploads of natural resources in their wallet aside from other things
trinque: broke how?
pete_dushenski: cazalla: the incentive is there is all, hard to tease out the psychology past that
mircea_popescu: the greeks have exactly zero incentive to do anything other than "housewife" and haven't, for ~2300 years now.
mircea_popescu: it's not changing./
pete_dushenski: cazalla: it also encourages more frequent posting and more in-depth research, so i'm not saying it's an unreasonable trade-off
williamdunne: trinque: Thought I'd read something about them not being willing to do so, can't find it now though so probably the effects of alcohol
mircea_popescu: spend persia's money, spend rome's money, spend turks money, spend british money, spend usian money, they will spend someone else's money.
pete_dushenski: cazalla: just that it's a function of 'inherently bad' incentive structures
trinque: williamdunne | Maybe some Greek princes will emerge << how bout greek welfare queens?
trinque: wahaha
mircea_popescu: italians only woke up to the model a half millenium later, but basically doing the same.
williamdunne: trinque: How can that emerge? Already exists nope?
trinque: is joke comrade
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: americans will be next... in like 3 centuries
mircea_popescu: Comrade Joke would be an excellent idea for a webcomic
mircea_popescu: set in a faux soviet russia very much like present day us
mircea_popescu: ends up in troubles.
trinque: heh I'd read that
mircea_popescu: there, stuff for people to do. lol.
mircea_popescu: the chan is REPLETE with shit to do.
pete_dushenski: just needs moar people ;)
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski as an exercise for you : what is the difference between the disruption caused by the absence of the comrade joke webcomic, which nobody has started yet, and the disruption caused by the absence of x service, which equally doesn't exist but at some point did ?
mircea_popescu: same thing, it'd seem. "our enemies", ie, sloth and stupidity, have disrupted our webcomic. LET US TAKE MEASURES!11
williamdunne: Can't miss what you don't know?
asciilifeform is rather perplexed. who, exactly, is lacking for 'what to do' ?
mircea_popescu: what measures could they be ? shift the active from this to that, therefore disrupting this now ?
asciilifeform: there is so much 'to do' that you could eat with arse!
mircea_popescu: williamdunne oh but i can.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nonstandard stuff is nonstandard, disruption is disruption. the bitcoin (tmsr~) management model is simply difficult to grok
mircea_popescu: much like bitcoin finance is so slippery, even for the best financial minds.
mircea_popescu: they just break so irrationally with the past.
mircea_popescu: not unlike trying to approximate pi on the basis of fortran four.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: lol this break is exactly the point i'm making on my 'second crack' update
trinque: man I kinda like that... putting tasks which need done in terms of that which they deprive the republic
trinque: I suppose I'm sentimental
mircea_popescu: trinque just as a mental exercise.
mircea_popescu: to encourage people not to drive themselves mad.
assbot: A second crack at that scary thing. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( )
mircea_popescu: i am kinda amused by pete's fundamentally tragic figure, btw.
mircea_popescu: he writes these posts in the full knowledge that they'll be like... "NONE OF YOUR DIGITS ARE RIGHT MATE!!!. it's not 4, it's 3. not .0 but .1. not .x0 but .x4. not .xx0 but .xx1. not .xxx0 but .xxx5. etc.
mircea_popescu: "your approximation of pi fails on every single point!111"
mircea_popescu: "i'm trying to do it with integers!"
mircea_popescu: "tough."
pete_dushenski: a poet is me.
pete_dushenski: one who enjoys making a public hash of things, just to let them breathe, then correct
pete_dushenski: it's how i learn, i guess.
pete_dushenski: hopefully others learning alongside !
trinque: yeah keep 'em coming
pete_dushenski: there has to be someone halfway up mt sinai, playing broken telephone between moses and the golden calf lovers.
pete_dushenski: "that's not what i said you idjit !" "oh, my bad, let me try again !" "that's a bit better !"
trinque: I wouldn't be a common lisp programmer by now if I hadn't aired a bunch of idiotic thoughts of my own on programming in public.
jurov: mircea_popescu: another 0.9.1 runs fine for months, only with "errors" : "Warning: This version is obsolete, upgrade required!"
jurov: not sure when they 'cated the warning
trinque: asciilifeform: had a thought earlier driving around re: your observation that there are lisps in many fields: a high water mark reached, then from which retreated.
pete_dushenski: trinque: gotta find the boundaries of the glass jar by ramming into it head-first
asciilifeform: jurov: i spoke of this earlier. it isn't a gavinsignal in the usual sense, but is produced by the crud where version numbers in incoming messages are averaged and compared
trinque: I recall someone making the point that there can be greater distance between men than men and animals
asciilifeform: jurov: it isn't in therealbitcoin
trinque: lisps must occur where there were men orders of magnitude better than their contemporaries, such that the contemporaries barely had any idea what they were doing there
cazalla: jurov, those warnings are the fucking things i've been getting every 2-3 weeks for months
trinque: so they continued on and eventually engulfed the subject in their own shit
trinque: that to me clearly points out the role of power in human life
trinque: to *prevent* that from happening.
asciilifeform: trinque: actually 'lisps' happen because the alternative would be a civilization that doesn't leak. and we don't have one of those to kick around
asciilifeform: just as the slipless ratchet does not exist (and physically cannot. see feynman's perpetuum mobile)
trinque: I don't follow "doesn't leak"
asciilifeform: i.e. forget things
asciilifeform: e.g., archimedes had basic integral calculus
asciilifeform: but then went away for a while.
trinque: probably not enough people got it when it first appeared?
trinque: I recall some theory that this happened with the pyramids
asciilifeform: trinque: 'wanting' wasn't enough in the age of hand-copied text
trinque: there were earlier egyptians supposedly that knew how to make the things, then there were later egyptians that basically squatted on what was built before, having no idea how it got there
asciilifeform: trinque: the ~other~ egyptians (today's) have zero to do with the folks who built pyramids
pete_dushenski: alrighty, time to go run off all this ice cream i've been tragically eating. a la prochaine !
trinque: asciilifeform: isn't this "leaking" more something like not having enough vessels to preserve it?
trinque: someone towering comes along and he knows how to do X; yet without enough others that understood him, it'd make sense that the knowledge ends up lost
asciilifeform: trinque is still thinking in his modern box where preserving things is easy, cheap, and something folks are generally fond of doing
trinque: perhaps
trinque: the vessels I meant were human heads
trinque: I've heard it said that were the US to want to repeat Apollo, they'd have to practically start from scratch, as nearly everyone who had mastery over the processes used before are now dead
mircea_popescu: jurov lawl errors.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i find the proposition that "version numbers" are any sort of program signal utterly retarded.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: write to gavin not me, l0l
mircea_popescu: it's basically an implementation of racism. the presuposition being that the color of the skin conveniently summarizes the abilities of the thing contained in that skin
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> trinque: actually 'lisps' happen because the alternative would be a civilization that doesn't leak. and we don't have one of those to kick around << amusingly enough, re the earlier dog discussion : dog cunt seals, for this reason.
mircea_popescu: i wonder what a civilisation of dogs would be like.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: vernor vinge's 'fire upon the deep' had just this
asciilifeform: it was lulzy
asciilifeform: (had many lulz, not just this)
mircea_popescu: i am apparently unfamiliar with the sfs of your home world.
asciilifeform: that one's american
asciilifeform: ultra-famous.
asciilifeform: (and the ru translation is even better than original imho)
mircea_popescu: "The recognition that rewards can have counter-productive effects is based on a variety of studies," << it is strictly based on a felonious substitution. it is exactly like saying "sex can be unpleasant for women" on the basis of the sex we practice being very violent rape.
mircea_popescu: the shit the puritan us does for "rewards" is NOT the statu quo. it is just the retarded, intellectually bankrupt, morally offensive charicature of the world the usian puritans came up with.
asciilifeform: hey, engineering constraint. just like sex in afghan means 'with donkey'
asciilifeform: to 1st approx.
mircea_popescu: so no. rewards reward. being associated with the refuse of white civilisation does neither reduce to that, nor stand for it, nor is a basis of a conclusion. of course nobody sane or thinking wishes to be associated with the filth.
mircea_popescu: just like i wouldn't take a nobel on the basis that i do not wish to have the shiot they gave obama.
mircea_popescu: "oh, recognition has ocunter-productive effects". no. perelman rejected the recognition you were offering BECAUSE IT CAME FROM YOU
mircea_popescu: not "because it was recognition full stop".
mircea_popescu: and no, promises to pay from josh garza are not bitcoin
mircea_popescu: and no, the "opinions" of tim swanson are NOT opinions. because no wot. and so fucking on.
mircea_popescu: the source matters first and foremost. just like you cant have "a message" without first having the key to decrypt the asc with
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asciilifeform: (bad rsa key)
trinque hunkers down for more clim hacking
trinque: most fun I've had in years
trinque: re: writing code
asciilifeform: trinque: last time i played with clim under sbcl it was dog-slow
trinque: haven't torqued it hard enough to know yet
trinque: but the clarity
asciilifeform: i mean, even for 'hello world'
trinque: ah, no it's doing fine there
asciilifeform: trinque must be using a recent cpu..
trinque: lol yeah, doing fine with 3+ ghz and 8 cores
trinque solemnly swears not to write his own linux distro with clim-based DE in a year
trinque chants "do not give in to astonishment" as he fires up the clim listener
mircea_popescu: actually it's quite possible the eventual b-a distribution is a sort of lisp "java machine"
mircea_popescu: ie, what google's trying to do.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i wasted years on this. destructive dead end, because ibm pc is a turd
asciilifeform: i.e. the hardware can't be meaningfully abstracted over.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so is seeking true love.
trinque: can't build a VM for some syslisp which is then implemented later as hardware?
asciilifeform: who doesn't believe me (and why should?) can go waste years himself. like the 'movitz' folks did
mircea_popescu: nah, universal lisp bytecode!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: straight to sbcl, where this is already a thing. plain computation works fine. it's when you get to i/o that you die
mircea_popescu: universal io !
asciilifeform: 'lisp doesn't need i/o.' --my brother
mircea_popescu: if a lisp lisps in a ioless forest, has it still lisped ?
asciilifeform: (in point of fact, it doesn't even need an ALU... church numerals!!)
trinque: I'm just glad I figured out I needed to relearn programming at 28 rather than 58
trinque: asciilifeform: how should IO look? what to read?
asciilifeform: trinque: i/o in the very basic sense of talking to the framebuffer, nic, interrupt controller
asciilifeform: cpu cores
asciilifeform: (well, the smp control gizmo)
trinque: right, so on linux I could write some bits to /dev/fb0 ; what might I go read about regarding how that's done on... would genera be a good example?
asciilifeform: trinque: there are no examples.
trinque: ah ok
asciilifeform: trinque: have you read my 'bedrock' article ?
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assbot: Loper OS » You have made your bedrock, now lie in it. ... ( )
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trinque: asciilifeform: yes I have, and grok the gist, I think
trinque: what would network IO look like if done on a system with proper bedrock abstractions from your view?
trinque: !up gabriel_laddel
trinque: np, and hello
gabriel_laddel: so, for instance, think of the terminal you are now typing into. on a true dataflow box, it would simply be the end of a circuit (screen memory) directly linked to a circuit with the keyboard matrix decoder on the other end of it. you thus also lose the concept of ‘interrupts’ or ‘processes’. a dataflow box doesn’t need a scheduler, or an interrupt
gabriel_laddel: controller.
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asciilifeform: trinque: for this one, symbolics lisp is not a bad example. the key being that ~nothing can happen~ short of the nic catching fire that would land you on any level of abstraction below lisp
asciilifeform: e.g., if a malformed packet appears, or connection breaks at any point in the process, or, or.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel has it. but in that article i was speaking of 'proper computer', not lispm.
trinque: gabriel_laddel: end of a circuit, so "circuit" is bedrock, or composed thereof?
asciilifeform: trinque: 'bedrock' for our purposes is that which if it malfunctions you physically throw it out.
trinque reads through p=1361
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: Right. I should have noted that this is an example of what "sane I/O" might look like.
trinque: what is the circuit? how do I write code which reads the current state of the terminal?
trinque: how do I shove bits into it?
asciilifeform: it is the only sane i/o. what we have now is chicken's cloaka, which pisses, shits, fucks, and lays eggs via same orifice (why not also eat with it?)
trinque: is there some data structure manifested in the lisp system which represents the state of the thing?
asciilifeform: trinque: code on dataflow processor controls switching matrix.
asciilifeform: how to represent it is up to the operator
asciilifeform: ultimately it is what your schoolteacher called an 'adjacency matrix.'
trinque: I could declare that the terminal circuit is now connected to (among other things) my circuit which logs terminal stuff?
trinque: and this declaration is...
asciilifeform: these presently exist, you can go to store and buy. called fpga.
trinque: a data structure somewhere read by the switching matrix?
asciilifeform: trinque: typically an ordinary sram
mircea_popescu: it does technicaly eat with it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: think of it, traditional cpu ~is~ cloaka, where you pgp with the same barrel shifter and adder that you play tetris and read lolcatz with
asciilifeform: this is not the only way to build a computer.
asciilifeform: in extreme poverty of the 1950s - yes, it makes sense
asciilifeform: barely made sense in '80s
asciilifeform: (folks carrying around multiple pc notwithstanding)
asciilifeform: think of why msdos was a jewel - machine did ~one fucking thing~ at a time
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah. it DOES eat with it.
asciilifeform: approach has limitations, there are asynchronous things in the world (e.g., nic, disks)
trinque: hm, so is there some circuit which is responsible for the adjacency of other circuits?
asciilifeform: so you have multiple machines.
asciilifeform: like in your head
trinque: is this a distributed thing, whereby one circuit requests access to another?
asciilifeform: trinque: when you plant your arse in your chair, does arse 'request access to the chair' ?)
mircea_popescu: iut's not clear why disk would be async
trinque: asciilifeform: no, but sometimes there's a cat in it!
mircea_popescu: for that matter, disk is moving to be ram. and ram is sync.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: because you ask it for block b and some unknown time later it says 'here is block b'
trinque: ah!
mircea_popescu: no obvious need for this.
mircea_popescu: it can say "and this is block b perpetually anyway
asciilifeform: for so long as you have caches, you have locality
asciilifeform: which is to say, asking for b+1 will almost always be faster than b+100000
trinque: asciilifeform: so is it the synchronized nature of "modern" IO that is braindamaged?
trinque: I can see that point readily
trinque: I said this to ben_vulpes yesterday about HTTP request/response cycles
asciilifeform: trinque: the whole concept of having von neumann's bottleneck, where you can't do anything at all on the machine without waiting your turn for the little airline latrine of alu, mmu, etc. is asinine
mircea_popescu: refresh me. what in ulimit discusses the i/o ?
trinque: asciilifeform: so this circuit expresses a desire for the answer to some question, and some other circuit may or may not satisfy it
gabriel_laddel: loper-os-reader: I always sort of thought that about CPU designs in general. whilst software designers say “how many cycles is this going to take?”, a hardware designer knows how many cycles something is going to take on a chip: one. or else
gabriel_laddel: stas: dataflow never caught on because you absolutely need dedicated hardware. if you want real efficiency, you can’t even use standard RAM. so it gets dismissed as nuttery, on the rare occasions it comes up.
asciilifeform: trinque: when you plug a lamp into mains socket, does it 'express desire to conduct' ?
mircea_popescu: is it -i (pending signals) ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what system are you on
trinque: asciilifeform: no, but water doesn't ever come out of the socket
trinque: the routing is what I'm not clear on
trinque: who says this guy wants to know some facts and not others
asciilifeform: trinque: move your abstraction level down to where the question makes sense
ben_vulpes: o hai gabriel_laddel!
asciilifeform: !s muller gate
assbot: 6 results for 'muller gate' :
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: hey!
ben_vulpes: the boys have been talking shit about your lispos
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: the boys have been talking shit about your lispos
ben_vulpes: !up ga
ben_vulpes: !up gabriel_laddel
ben_vulpes: !up gavinadresen
gabriel_laddel: thanks. fucking useless AT&T connection
asciilifeform: trinque: << intro to state of art re: programmable logic
assbot: - How FPGAs work ... ( )
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: I saw that in the logs earlier. It doesn't really matter - they don't have any other options.
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: they'll use what's there.
trinque: asciilifeform: ty
trinque: I'll read that and improve my question
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: 'they' << your customers?
asciilifeform: trinque: i'd even argue that fpga is a mis-step historically, and you'd want to start with traditional 'gal' (as pictured here, )
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asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: the last time i met folks who 'they'll use what's there', they were running... winxp
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: I was referring to #b-a members actually. I don't have any customers yet, as Masamune is horribly incomplete.
ben_vulpes does not have a horse in this race
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asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: does your sbcl userland for linux come with a physical box where i get guarantee that the, e.g., video board, works ?
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: that is the idea - but currently - no.
trinque: given that I'm already using an absurd compromise (stumpwm+emacs) I'd take something which measurably improves what I'm doing there already
asciilifeform gave a good share of gabriel_laddel's material a fair, imho, reading, and still isn't entirely grasping how the proposed widget wins over classical linux box with sbcl on it
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: maxima, conkeror, CLIM as defaults
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asciilifeform: why would i be concerned with defaults ?
gabriel_laddel: also, scaffolding for e.g., Pete's school
ben_vulpes to bar
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: because although you already know of these things, many people do not.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel aims to bring lisps to 'most people' ?!
asciilifeform head-desks
ben_vulpes resents leaving at top of computers + school conversation branch
gabriel_laddel: just for people in #b-a
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: on my system, 'ulimit' only sets max file size...
mircea_popescu: i have nfi what all this shit does.
asciilifeform: somebody buy poor fella a new modem
ben_vulpes: i am interested in things like 'literate programming' in the context of mathematical education, essay writing etc
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes read knuth's work on subj ?
ben_vulpes: not yet!
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asciilifeform: (not originally on shithub but only surviving copy)
asciilifeform: in other news, i've a static therealbitcoin.
ben_vulpes: no wai
asciilifeform: readelf -d bitcoind
asciilifeform: There is no dynamic section in this file.
ben_vulpes: i wonder how long it'll take to duplicate the feat.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'm about to zip up the whole build tree so folks can test quickly
asciilifeform: one final test before i post it...
asciilifeform: achtung, panzers!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al:
asciilifeform: '(EXPERIMENTAL) Static Builder for TheRealBitcoin.'
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asciilifeform: << process map for this experiment
asciilifeform: note that it is still using conventional glibc
decimation: asciilifeform: did you try ulibc
asciilifeform: (see the gconv-modules turd? fucking lamers)
asciilifeform: decimation: not yet. but i expect to hit the same wall as mod6
decimation: yeah.
asciilifeform: first trying to bring it all to where we originally wanted it
decimation: it's possible some combination of gcc/ulibc version will work
asciilifeform: and it appears that i did this.
decimation: asciilifeform: so no dns?
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu asks, this turd will be deployed to dulap (s.nsa box)
asciilifeform: no dns.
asciilifeform: i'd prefer to get comments / replications of this experiment first
decimation: asciilifeform: is this for the pogo?
asciilifeform: this is an amd64 build.
asciilifeform: i suppose i ought to have specified this in the readme
asciilifeform: but it ought to be clear from reading the build script
asciilifeform: this build is intended for ibmpc
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu your node is dead ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: (i'm getting a 'connection refused')
mircea_popescu looks into this.
mircea_popescu: did you ever test it ?
asciilifeform: just now.
asciilifeform: was gonna milk it
asciilifeform: i've been licking my teeth for this milking for ages
mircea_popescu: lol. apparently you're not the only one.
asciilifeform: stas@humanoid ~ $ telnet 8333
asciilifeform: Trying
asciilifeform: telnet: connect to address Connection refused
mircea_popescu: anyway. give it an hour.
mircea_popescu: !up aseriousgogetta
mircea_popescu: aha. who're you ?
aseriousgogetta: what is i just found it.
mircea_popescu: the foundation directing bitcoin development etc.
aseriousgogetta: im a crypto-enthusiast
aseriousgogetta: why 0.5.3?
decimation: what is your favorite public key algo?
aseriousgogetta: favorite.. sha256d
aseriousgogetta: my current work is on a personal project; setting up foundation. what is teh work in here?
mircea_popescu: !s 0.5.3
assbot: 204 results for '0.5.3' :
mircea_popescu: this has been discussed in teh logs.
ben_vulpes: decrufting etc.
mircea_popescu: that didn't parse.
assbot: Logged on 27-06-2015 02:16:03; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell ben_vulpes incidentally, were you explicitly setting -irc Find peers using internet relay chat (default: 0) flag ?
aseriousgogetta: hmm, so 0.10.2 talk is out teh window
aseriousgogetta: or scrypt-n?
asciilifeform: out teh window << no, in the latrine where they belong.
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: let me know if you were able to build my 'stator.' and if you think it makes sense to sweat over a uclibc build for ibmpc, where everything ~else~ is sitting on glibc...
asciilifeform: (though i'd like to shoot that 'gconv-modules.cache' and 'locale-archive' crud in the head...)
ben_vulpes: no, I simply ran the thing.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: l0l
asciilifeform: it ran ?
ben_vulpes: not your most recent, no
asciilifeform: what was ben_vulpes referring to then
ben_vulpes: hang on distracted.
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asciilifeform: << note that it isn't 'the foundation one' until ben_vulpes and mod6 say it is
assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 19:46:42; mircea_popescu: it is not the foundation one, which i am going to compile and run once the instructions come out.
asciilifeform: but we have a buildable static(glibc) ibmpc build.
assbot: Logged on 27-06-2015 02:16:03; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell ben_vulpes incidentally, were you explicitly setting -irc Find peers using internet relay chat (default: 0) flag ?
ben_vulpes: i did not use the -irc flag
assbot: Logged on 27-06-2015 03:06:14; asciilifeform: << this is ~not~ in 0.5.3. it had only '-noirc', default off.
ben_vulpes: right.
asciilifeform: idk why aseriousgogetta linked it
ben_vulpes: me neither
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes nah, upon consideration that should have no effect.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform try nao ?
ben_vulpes: ultraconfused, had to remember why i hadn't responded to the ;;later
ben_vulpes: (if i even had, etc)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hangs after 'connected'
asciilifeform: anybody else?
asciilifeform: 'socket no message in first 60 seconds, 0 1'
ben_vulpes is drinking with trinqu, will be playing with blockchains later
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is your box getting hammered by bozos ?
ben_vulpes: !up Chicago
decimation: Chicago: are you a fan of crypto too?
asciilifeform: now what i can't remember is whether mod6 already had this orchestra working
asciilifeform: (with glibc+static)
decimation: I thought he had
decimation: but with dns
asciilifeform: afaik can't do dns at all with static glibc
asciilifeform: but possibly he had something like what i just posted, but it isn't on the ml.
decimation: I've seen it give linker warnings
decimation: didn't check to see if it was truely static
asciilifeform: mine also gives linker warning for 'what if you used gethostbyname'
decimation: yeah exactly
asciilifeform: -- except that we provably never do
asciilifeform: so fuck it
asciilifeform: gcc sucks at stripping deadcode, news at 11.
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decimation: also, nobody gives a fuck about supporting static linking, news at 11
asciilifeform: we knew, yes
decimation: "why link static when you could just accept my world of shit?"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kind-of.
mircea_popescu: there's ~30 connected, ye'll have to insist.
asciilifeform: let me guess, the duplicates aren't up
asciilifeform: because 'split' br0ke
asciilifeform head-desks
mircea_popescu: doubt they'd be in a much better position.
asciilifeform: addrLocalHost = << anybody else getting this ?
asciilifeform: ah it's the retardation
asciilifeform: '// Proxies can't take incoming connections'
asciilifeform: working as written.
asciilifeform: that crap ~will~ have to be shot.
asciilifeform: as well as the ability to kick 'for misbehaviour' the ONLY PERMITTED CONNECT node
asciilifeform: who the FUCK thought of that.
asciilifeform: what's next, uterus gives her cramps so she ejects it ?
asciilifeform: across the room
Chicago: decimation, Sure I'm a crypto fan. :)
Chicago: Albeit more active in Wintertime when my rigs warm the house.
asciilifeform: '-connect=x.x.x.x' should ONLY affect OUTGOING connections
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wake me up when there's a box to sync from that i don't have to share with public urinators
mircea_popescu: how do you propose i implement this ?
asciilifeform: iptables ?
mircea_popescu goes to read the manual for iptables now, to find how you do "open port only for x ip"
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mircea_popescu: fully expecting he will have to install vanrish, uninstall alsa, recompile the kernel and fix glibc.
ben_vulpes: you're learning!
assbot: bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches { }: bitcoin/src/net.cpp Source File ... ( )
ben_vulpes: why are these critical sections lexically nested?
assbot: firewall - iptables block access to port 8000 except from IP address - Stack Overflow ... ( )
ben_vulpes: are they also /programatically/ nested?
mircea_popescu: iptables -I INPUT -p tcp ! -s <permittedIP> -j DROP << is that it ?
trinque: mircea_popescu: because layering another turd atop iptables is surely what you want... I find ufw a nice tool to deal with trivial firewall setups
mircea_popescu: hm shouldn't port be specified somewhere
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: read linked turd
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform try nao
asciilifeform: 'connect() failed after select(): Connection refused'
mircea_popescu: actually uh... i see you ?
asciilifeform sends warm hello to the nice folks at ft meade sending us tcp FIN's
asciilifeform: socket no message in first 60 seconds, 0 1
mircea_popescu: eh nonsense.
mircea_popescu: it's been feeding 100s of peers like 1gb since yest or w/e.
asciilifeform: try from own box
mircea_popescu: it works from a multitude of boxen
asciilifeform about to test with conventional therealbitcoin
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes but did any of them '-connect'
trinque: asciilifeform: am I in the ballpark... having the vague notion that c-gates would be used to indicate whether the inputs necessary to perform a computation are available?
trinque: strikes me as "promises" to indicate the braindamaged programming environments I've sued
asciilifeform: trinque: c-gate only fires when all inputs are stable
trinque: *used
trinque: right
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they must have if they were moving bytes neh
asciilifeform: and if connected to other c-gates, same applies to them
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: same thing when using conventional therealbitcoin
asciilifeform: (non-static)
trinque: seems to be the mechanism by which you call a bunch of asynchronous happenings one "thing", and can therefore act upon those "things" all being available
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and no, i was specifically talking about -connect=x.x.x.x' commandline argument
mircea_popescu: i have nfi
asciilifeform boots up 'wireshark'
mircea_popescu: honestly, i don't think that iptables thing actually works.
mircea_popescu: because everyone trying to get in is now stuck on LAST ACK
mircea_popescu: which is not to my eye the expected behaviour.
decimation: iptables, like most of the kernel, is undocumented as fuck
asciilifeform: ~all~ i get is ACKs
asciilifeform is watching the packets in real time
mircea_popescu: i srsly see established conns.
asciilifeform: all i get is acks
asciilifeform: they're established, yes..
asciilifeform: but mine asks 'version' and hears '...'
decimation: I kinda get the impression that about 99% of iptables implementations out there are 'cut n paste' from what someone else posted on some website
mircea_popescu: certainly.
decimation: just like 99% of 'autoconf' use is cut n' paste
decimation: many eyes, etc
trinque: beatings for everyone that decides to introduce his own grammar to describe some problem space (firewalls one of many examples)
trinque: I know... I'll invent a syntax!
trinque: firewall configuration should be a function you write that the network stack runs on every packet
trinque: pf is marginally better, but that's about it
asciilifeform brb, food
trinque: the ufw thing at least gives you a semi-sane "ufw allow from to any port 8333"
decimation: yeah it's kinda a cluster
decimation: proprietary firewalls on cisco, etc aren't any better
trinque: and even ufw runs afoul of the "natural language" == easy
trinque: same mistake as SQL
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 187 @ 0.0130107 = 2.433 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tell you what, if you don't get to the bottom of it, ima make you an account on the server tomorrow, copy over the blockchain and you can compile your own or w/e.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33406 @ 0.00039961 = 13.3494 BTC [+] {3}
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