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decimation: re: tank's top < " That was Stalin's hall-mark, his style - that splendid disregard of differences, that levelling of friends and enemies that made him a unique figure in the whole of human history. Another thing for which the Soviet court did not condemn Potapov was that in 1945 - still in his broken spectacles tied with string but this time with a tommy-gun in his hand - he rode into Berlin on the back of a Red Army tank; this was
decimation: how Potapov got off so easily, with only 'ten and five on the horns'."
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mircea_popescu: !up austeritysucks
ascii_modem: battery time / mips or flops << imagine if the only fuel available, were - trotyl.
ascii_modem: that's roughly the situation of modern cpu
decimation: ascii_modem: as in, it draws massive current for short bursts and derps idlely otherwise?
decimation: !up ascii_modem
ascii_modem: can't buy low-power (battery life measured in weeks/months) interactive computer. at any pricepoint.
decimation: one can buy very low power microcontrollers these days
ascii_modem: because 'no www flash games - not computer' or similarly imbecilic formula
mircea_popescu: that;s actually a legitimate complaint.
mircea_popescu: democracy = one solution that sucks for everyone.
ascii_modem: microcontroller << the pickings end up very slim if refuse 'arm'
ascii_modem: ( for ram-rich / something one could use as actual computer kind of affair)
decimation: I think TI still makes stuff like the msp430
ascii_modem: not computer.
decimation: indeed.
mircea_popescu: jurov: ;;later tell mircea_popescu x.idiff.dec expired < myeah.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: really 0 volume on idiff for DEC?!?!? << myeah.
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's gonna be an announcement re x.idiff
mircea_popescu: jurov: lmao it says there was 1 x.idiff.dec traded on 2012-12-13 and nothing since << sounds about right.
mircea_popescu: assbot: Will Ripple Eclipse Bitcoin? - Slashdot ... << "Any headline which ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no."
decimation: re: democracy << "Now I know of only two methods of establishing equality in the political world; every citizen must be put in possession of his rights, or rights must be granted to no one." - M. de Tocqueville
mircea_popescu: equality is not something of this, or any other world.
mircea_popescu: jurov: nothing about fags? danielpbarron: that's condemned <<< poor j, just can't catch a break.
mircea_popescu: everything's being retroactively uncondemned, 'cept his.
mircea_popescu: jurov: you want to say homosexuality is okay if it's master/slave relationship? << win. get into leather while you still can!
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: so for a time, God did permit a man to have more than one wife. (see, for eg. Genesis 4:19; 16:1-4; 29:18-30:24) - but God did not originate the practice of polygamy. He provided only one wife for Adam. <<< bs. the original family was adam eve an' lilith.
mircea_popescu: 'cept the perky titted little bitch started feminism and was banished to fatlandia.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: I have a ton of cool photos from that adventure << you need to start blogging in serious.
assbot: Logged on 18-12-2014 22:10:34; mod6: But yeah, it's still has some leaks in there somewhere, as the R.I. died at least 2 different times from 1->current block, but no more than 3 times. Eitherway, this needs to get resolved. But at least we're headed in the right direction.
mircea_popescu: so what config did you settle on in the end mod6 ?
mod6: for the DB?
ascii_modem: speaking of - iirc it was gonna be configable chkpoints , not none at all ?
mircea_popescu: for dbenv.set_lk_max_locks and what else ?
mod6 looks
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem i just assumed he implemented the "no checkpoints" in the shape of a "set your own, defaults to 1" sort of thing
ascii_modem: bdb begs for the axe
ascii_modem: neh he snipped whole thing
mircea_popescu: there's technically no possibility to have "no checkpoints", block 1 will willy-nilly be a checkpoint.
mod6: changed dbenv.set_lk_max_objects to 40000
mod6: changed dbenv.set_lk_max_locks to 40000
mod6: set set_lg_max to 1M
mircea_popescu: im surprised it worked with 40k.
mod6: set DB_TXN_WRITE_NOSYNC
ascii_modem: in my tests, bled out 100% of the time during sync
mod6: and DB_LOG_AUTO_REMOVE
mod6: at first, I just set max locks to 40000, and nothing else, but ended up with liek 265Gb of BDB Tx logs
ascii_modem: whole thing leaks like sieve
mod6: then after working on different things for a while, and looking at what is currently set in HEAD, went on to trim that shit out
mircea_popescu: Adlai: so paycoin has progressed from vaporware to real, nitrogen-rich altcoincrap? << no, but some derp who feels rich on the cash value a car monthy payment somehow figured he has something to say.
mod6: so now it keeps the BDB TX logs down to < 1Mb each, and I've never seen more than 60 of them in the ~/.bitcoin/database/ dir before being flushed out
mod6: <+ascii_modem> neh he snipped whole thing << yeah.
mod6: gone.
ascii_modem: ballast gone; how will lighten balloon now!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: 'amplification' idiocy is trivially tested for, and any isp which doesn't yank the offending lusers ought by all rights to be killed upstream << pretty much this, yes.
mod6: <+ascii_modem> speaking of - iirc it was gonna be configable chkpoints , not none at all ? << i guess i wasn't aware of the 'configurable' part, just was going by the todo list: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/0.5.3-todos
assbot: 0.5.3-todos [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1I6TYAO )
mircea_popescu: mod6 i've been thinking about it, not entirely sure it actually belongs in the core.
ascii_modem: more important is configable p2p seeds
mircea_popescu: sounds more like a trim, for the toolbox
mircea_popescu: yes, that.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: i think the least damaging way is to kick nicks that are idle sing sing-on. asciilifeform: wanna idle for >5 min, get in wot. << yeah. i can see this, especially as people who wish to simply read logs can just as well read the webpage.
mod6: ok, i haven't looked into the part yet where it has been somehow spotted that the blocks seems to get pulled from one peer, instead of many. if p2p seeds refers to a way to get blocks in more of a torrent fashion, i agree.
mircea_popescu: lowers load on freenode, and if they're actually concerned there's whatever skullduggery going on they can just get into teh wot.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, it won't do anything for the case at hand, because well... dude can just get in the wot, what's the big deal.
mod6: (bullet point 4): fix behavior where blocks are downloaded from a single peer (what is the desired behavior here? - should be pretty much ripped off from SotA torrent trackers.)
mod6: ok. just wanted to make sure I understood :)
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: hm. how about 1 min auto voice on join for unseen nicks? << horribru
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: registered << same easy spamatron << moar horribru, now you're giving positive incentive to create unused accounts.
mod6: currently, the plan is to attempt to fix the leak that causes the R.I. to crash during full block sync. but we might end up rolling forward to version .7 and having to re-implement the 7 patches we currently have.
mod6: I'm not sure there is any easy way to back-port the raw tx api
mod6: thoughts?
PeterL: ;;later tell pete_dushenski hmm, your blog is on scoopbot's list, I am not sure why it is not shoing up, I will look into it
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: honestly im not sure whats worse, autoddos or autoban. << i really don't see much incentive to do anything at this point. i mean, the ddos guy was moreover useful, for as long as he kept iot up. i didn't think he's reliable, and he proved that much,so.. whatevs.
mircea_popescu: the disposing of drooling idiots is an unrelated matter, and if pursued at all should not be pursued in the heat of fake emergencies.
mircea_popescu: mod6 why exactly wouldn't be there be an easy way to simply insert raw txn ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: the observation that, on account of the log existing, we don't need human idlers for anything at all, was correct << at the very least they provide a passive certification of the log.
mod6: well, that maybe have been a poor choice of words.
mod6: when trying to back port something i thought would be as simple as import/dump private keys, it turned out that the changes were indeed far reaching in the code.
mircea_popescu: moreover, if there's a central repository of the log that's also an exclusive repository of the log, the incentive for nefarious idiots a la ninjashogun to attack it via social engineering increases
mircea_popescu: and since the fiat world mostl yexists as a staging scene for various social engineering attacks, from preet bharara onwards, this isn't a good design.
mod6: spent, probably a total of 16 hours on it. didn't get very far. and seeing as though the raw transactions api is 4 versions beyond (or something) v0.6.0, it might be very hard to do it that way.
mircea_popescu: mod6 at some point the code transforms an user indicated tx into an actual tx.
mircea_popescu: this must be hookable into, logically.
mod6: if nothing else, might just be a lot of work. perhaps do-able, just not a quick/easy way.
mircea_popescu: im missing something here.
mod6: probably not. i was just hoping to grab that stuff, and get it back-ported quickly.
mod6: i might just be dumb though. eheheh.
mircea_popescu: honestly i don't even know that the raw transaction power ranger implementation was ever read by anyone.
mircea_popescu: or for that matter at all tested.
mod6: it may not be. i had a feeling that it is widely used for some reason.
mircea_popescu: decimation: freenode seems to attract folks like mr. spam << has 0 to do with freenode. everything sweet attracts gnats.
mircea_popescu: mod6 it is somewhat used. not that widely. then again, linuxkernel is widely used. so what of it.
mod6: fair enough. perhaps this is not quite the urgent matter that I thought it might have been.
mod6: i'll stay the course on v0.5.3 and what we set out to do in january. will revisit this later in the month as was the plan anyway.
mod6: of course, as always, we welcome any help that anyone wants to give to achieve these goals.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: i think the main issue is he wont be able to take credit. << omfg the slanders.
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> or for that matter at all tested. // not sure there is something to be really tested
mircea_popescu: it's code innit ?
Apocalyptic: in the sense it doesn't really check anything wallet related or something, it's supposed to just parse your JSON and send it to nodes
Apocalyptic: so you meant to test such trivial things as parsings ?
mod6: yeah, but i just read too that if you don't set your change outputs, you'll end up sending like a huge tx fee.
mod6: so, well, i dunno, i guess "works as designed" or something, but a least do the guy a favor of a reach-around
mod6: let him know that he's about to send a 40 BTC tx fee. there are improvments that can be made perhaps
mod6: :]
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic in theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, the project does need more resources. if you feel like reading and submitting the thing, signed, jurov's keeping the list and erryone'd be moar than happy.
Apocalyptic: actually after reading the relevant code there is some logic related to the mempool, so it may be worth some tests indeed
mod6: feel free to hit either ben_vulpes or me anytime if you wanna collaborate on that.
mod6: we appreciate any and all help on this endeavor
Apocalyptic: noted, I don't have that much free time at the moment
mod6: no sweat. we're not quite at that point anyway. as I was eluding to in the Address & ToDo, I'll update #b-a at some point during the month after we get this other leak sorted.
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mod6: if you still don't have any spare time, we'll figure out something.
mod6: <+ascii_modem> bdb begs for the axe << yes. it's awful.
Apocalyptic: and probably not that qualified as well, i'm no programmer in any sense, much less a C++ guru
mod6: aight no worries Apocalyptic :)
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: mike_c: sure. <<< tis melting like april snow, the case.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: the solution being, we lock them out. << "if we kill all the babies, we will in fact have reduced infant mortality to an unmatchable 0 in subsequent years"
mircea_popescu: mike_c: that sucks << there's a lot more depth to this point than meets the eye. us children are inept these days first and foremost because they have been removed from the workplace in the 50s and 60s, under the guise of "safety" and the general nonsense where "Everything must be separated" that also yielded zoning laws etc.
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of benefit for any 7yo in having a close friend that lost some appendages to heavy machinery.
devthedev: Garza is unreal
mircea_popescu: what now ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: (i'd love to hear a rationale for it) << people other than nanotube are keeping track of the various scammers trying to use gribble.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: PeterL: you have to - yes. mr i-owned-fleanode nsa clerk - no. <<< yes, let him do this, love to see it.
mircea_popescu: security is not reducible to "build a really thick steel plate"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: re: wot: (question to all present) - how often do you re-read your own wot history? << weekly.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: even if you do, there is no guarantee that other readers see the same thing you see << yeah, there is.
mircea_popescu: nanotube: it is being worked on. but have a lot of other stuff on my plate. once everything is signed, there will not even be a need for something like "auth". <<< this is a good point. having identity implemented as a stateful thing is mindboggling anyway. stuff like cloaks and so on pale in comparison.
mircea_popescu: PeterL: so instead of just saying "eauth peterl", now we will say "eauth peterl <signature by key goes here>"? << conceivably, you'd say something like .rate url exactly hjow notary bot [used to] work
cazalla: coinfire, bitcointalk, bitcoin forum all get garza legal threats.. qntra? nothing, anything pop up in your inbox mircea_popescu ?
mircea_popescu: cazalla i get between a few and a dozen poorly cobbled together "legal threats" each week.
cazalla: none of any interest then i take it
mircea_popescu: occasionally there's some sec "senior attorney" gofer. the vast majority is X dude who doesn't like the fact that trilema maintains a copy of whatever stupid evil shit he did a few years ago and figures "hey, a few years ago means it never happened"
mircea_popescu: nothing signed "garza" at any rate
mircea_popescu: there's like... 6 different ones from ninjashogun AFTER hanbot wrote that post.
cazalla: lol
mircea_popescu: there's 9 from various ceos and assorted derps
mircea_popescu: protesting that their name IS THEIR PROPERTAH
mircea_popescu: and some more assorted dumb shit.
devthedev: Why does there always seem to be a lack of intelligent discussion on here? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=912442.msg10019113#msg10019113
assbot: [2014-01-02] QNTRA: Theymos Claims Josh Garza Is Sending Him Legal Threats... ... ( http://bit.ly/1EY8Kh8 )
mircea_popescu: there's also 723 pieces of email thanking me or otherwise discussing the wordpress hole. since the 16th.
mircea_popescu: my inbox is a job for a team of mules.
mircea_popescu: "asciilifeform: no actual human transmits $maxint whatevers from a single ip per second/hour/etc" except a) yes they do and b) 4kb should be enough for everyone.
mircea_popescu: decimation: although one wonders why mr. spam targets this channel instead of -otc << this is worth something.
mircea_popescu: same reason napoleon tried to invade moscow not magnitogorsk, same reason the barricades went up in paris not derpue-sur-herpoise
mircea_popescu: decimation mats : the situation with freenode is that it's basically a sinking ship / abandoned tech. the few hanger ons do not actually have the werewithal to do anything other than push the levers, which they sort-of understand how to do, but various rooms are constantly being sealed off because "it's too much". it's indubitable that freenode will eventually sink, and it won't take it decades, for this very reason.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, we're lazy.
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 337243 | Current Difficulty: 4.064095501657649E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 338687 | Next Difficulty In: 1444 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 18 hours, 2 minutes, and 10 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 45943174930.0 | Estimated Percent Change: 13.04649
mircea_popescu: crybabi: but i won't be using bitbet again, charging a fee when you don't provide a service is no way to run a business << o.O
mircea_popescu: i suppose providing a service doesn't count as providing a service except in those cases where the beneficiary is happy with the outcome or something ?
mircea_popescu: i suppose if there wasn't an obamacare "you don't have to pay your own medical bills" the us consumer'd "have come to expect" that he only pays if the surgery/treatment is successful.
mircea_popescu: "hi, i had my tits done at your clinic two weeks ago but my husband left me for a younger woman anyway so i'd like a refund now because you didn't provide a service".
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: BitBet mixer is why I thought prop stakes were refunded minus fee << that's like advanced class.
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mircea_popescu: "They spent several months testing my code, comparing its performance with their old database, which was pretty primitive but known to be reliable." vs "If their application went down for even a day, it would cost them hundreds of thousands of dollars. This was a common occurrence, as their existing application was pretty buggy."
mircea_popescu: the guy's lying through his teeth, michael o church style ?
mircea_popescu: "This was a single Windows executable with well over a hundred man-years of blood, sweat and tears invested in it." idiot, srsly.
mircea_popescu: "10 reasons Preet Bharara should be the next attorney general" "Investment banks were most responsible for the devastating economic downturn, yet the costs of their opportunistic behavior were placed on the shoulders of everyday Americans, who lost jobs, retirement savings, and confidence in the market."
mircea_popescu: yep, the roland freiser thing is quite on point. fucking fatlogic, well done cnn.
mircea_popescu: they even have the unmitigated audacity to add that violation of the indian diplomat on his cv as if it were a positive.
mircea_popescu: iiincredible what pravda can print.
mircea_popescu: "The nation would be well-served to elevate Bharara from the "Sheriff of Wall Street" to chief federal law-enforcement officer."
mircea_popescu: ahaha check out the coincidence of all time http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2014#957468 i ended up right in the middle of the dramaz ?
assbot: Logged on 19-12-2014 18:37:28; mircea_popescu: o.O check itout, new names ?
mircea_popescu: "Hey friends, reddit cryptocurrency engineer here. The post is deliberately vague about technology and legal. For one, we're holding back on committing to a particular technology just because the bitcoin world changes very fast, and we want to make sure we pick the right choice. However, almost certainly it will be either colored coins or sidechains."
mircea_popescu: lol reddit coin. mkay.
mircea_popescu: so basically doge v2.0, because the fucktards must have a "moon rocket".
mircea_popescu: im sure it'll work out so very differently from the first version, because yes, totally, people matter and their desires change reality.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: mthreat, mircea_popescu: http://bubblear.com/bloody-hell-argentinas-import-restrictions-cause-tampon-shortage/ << corroboration? <<< utter nonsense.
assbot: Bloody Hell: Argentina's Import Restrictions Cause Tampon Shortage | The Bubble | News from Argentina ... ( http://bit.ly/1tHW4Go )
mircea_popescu: "kakobrekla: On a good note, Judge Rakoff called me a brilliant visionary and that he admires my brainpower. #bitcoin" << shrem's retarded, basically.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-12-2014#957658 <<< in practice, this worked out to "the reporting facilitated FBI's lying about imaginary north korean hackers, and thoroughly embarassing themselves to a degree not seen since bush swore he personaly saw saddam's terrorism stash".
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2014 03:10:14; decimation: http://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/update-on-sony-investigation << there is an air of desperation here: "Sony reported this incident within hours, which is what the FBI hopes all companies will do when facing a cyber attack. Sony’s quick reporting facilitated the investigators’ ability to do their jobs, and ultimately to identify the source of these attacks."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seriously, if this meta-nsa exists, how come the fbi is this impotent ?
mircea_popescu: i mean, seriously. what agency in the history of that business would ever, under any circumstances, make such a ridiculous blunder ?
mircea_popescu: that stuff happens once all the actual agents left, and the remaining bureaucrats understandably have no self respect or career spirit.
mircea_popescu: the fbi as it currently stands has not the werewithal to extract itself from a paper bag. and i mean that literally, if i kidnapped them all and dropped them in rural kansas they'd prolly never make it back to headquarters.
mircea_popescu: decimation: It's good that reporters apologize for asking questions, makes the situation clear for the little people <<< seriously, since when does the press EVEN GO to prepared statement and catering sort of affairs ?
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2014 03:34:37; decimation: http://www.nextgov.com/cybersecurity/2014/12/opm-alerts-feds-second-background-check-breach/101622/ << "The Office of Personnel Management is alerting more than 48,000 federal employees their personal information may have been exposed following a breach at KeyPoint Government Solutions, which conducts background investigations of federal employees seeking security clearances."
assbot: Logged on 07-02-2014 15:23:38; mircea_popescu: next step : Bitcoin regulates the USG.
mircea_popescu: note it took them HALF A YEAR to figure out we actually do know where they live.
mircea_popescu: how secure can one feel, as a mid range us bureaucrat, given these revelations ? the usg can not protect you, yo.
mircea_popescu: not even today.
mircea_popescu: what will it do in 2025, when you will ostensibly still wish to eat ? to avoid daily beatings ? to not be fed, live, to specially prepared hungry pigs ?
cazalla: giant pigs straight from hannibal eh
cazalla: well, i always wanted to be a farmer!
mircea_popescu: the "press" is so fuycking lulzy. check this out :
mircea_popescu: ;;google "GSHK heavy-machine guns"
gribble: It's not just the savagery of Isis that is shocking – its weaponry is too ...: <http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-savagery-of-isisis-shocking--and-so-too-is-its-weaponry-9700476.html>; DShK - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DShK>; Category:Multi-barrel machine guns - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: ;;google DSHK heavy-machine guns
gribble: DShK - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DShK>; Shooting a DShK Heavy Machine Gun - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgXWJEZzFHE>; Modern Firearms - DShK / DShKM 12.7 heavy machine gun: <http://world.guns.ru/machine/mg03-e.htm>
mircea_popescu: what, get the letters right ?! whai!
mircea_popescu: i guess it's going to now be called "gushka"
mircea_popescu: decimation: asciilifeform: I doubt there will be a 'day of reckoning' w.r.t. tor. it will just turn off and the derps will move on << pretty much exactly.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: But this way they win the SEO
mircea_popescu: and all the agents involved, as well as the plethora of idiots, will just duly update their cv to reflect their certified expertise and act as if you know, they know shit.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i guess they do at that.
cazalla: how fucking eerie is this.. open up trilema.com http://i.imgur.com/0pYGadA.png
mircea_popescu: cazalla it's emerging ai huh ?
cazalla: mircea_popescu, i can't discount the chance you served that up specifically to my ip, who knows eh
mircea_popescu: you can, cuz i didn't.
mircea_popescu: decimation: no word on whether microsoft is going to be held liable for ridiculously poor engineering < :)))
mircea_popescu: that'd be the lulz of all time tho, sony sueing microsoft for lost revenues etc.
mircea_popescu: i'd watch that, and that's the first entertainment sony ever made that i'd watch.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: afaik every word of the history of the two koreas available in the english language, since the first days leading up to the war, is a cheap fabrication.<< in no way different from the same words available in juche language
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kakobrekla: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 298.65, Best ask: 299.5, Bid-ask spread: 0.85000, Last trade: 298.54, 24 hour volume: 10515.82939934, 24 hour low: 297.97, 24 hour high: 316.92, 24 hour vwap: 307.533361503
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7928 @ 0.00062708 = 4.9715 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 299.3, Best ask: 299.92, Bid-ask spread: 0.62000, Last trade: 299.92, 24 hour volume: 11393.86973249, 24 hour low: 297.0, 24 hour high: 316.83, 24 hour vwap: 306.511884368
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 337290 | Current Difficulty: 4.064095501657649E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 338687 | Next Difficulty In: 1397 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 5 hours, 13 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 45855462688.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 12.83067
mircea_popescu: decimation: asciilifeform: either from ore or paying the ransom required to get intel et. al. to completely open the design for a chipset <<< or else simply sony-ing it.
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2014 11:41:37; jurov: bwahaha SYSTEMD IS ALWAYS RIGHT
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes "To some extent, yes. I spent almost a decade investing in early stage startups, and curiously enough protecting yourself against obsolete beliefs is exactly what you have to do to succeed as a startup investor." << yes, you miss the part where he never succeeded as a start-up investor.
mircea_popescu: he succeeded as an easy money usg moocher, which is i suppose something he justifies to himself as "being an expert in a later version of the world"
mircea_popescu: except the usg is not a version of the world, it's merely a version of graham & co's beliefs.
mircea_popescu: the problem with those being singularly that they diverge from the world.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: 'Please could we stick to the technical aspects of this problem. Attempts to apportion responsibilty rarely lead anywhere.' << immediately shoot in the head anyone saying this. help make the world a better place.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2014#958151 << lmao too good. "oh b-a is a cult because it points and laugh at us. what's this, something malfunctioning ? no no it's a feature. oh wait, devs actually admit it was a bug ? uhhh... we're just the us agitprop machine, wut."
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2014 18:02:01; asciilifeform: which, it turns out, the systemd pushers reflexively defended as a feature.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: mats: Maybe MP should stay on vacation? ;/
mircea_popescu: BUT I WORK REALLY HARD!
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-12-2014#958222 << look at this, decimation said exactly what i said half a day earlier than me.
assbot: Logged on 22-12-2014 01:27:18; decimation: this guy (along with his brother) > http://www.forbes.com/profile/donald-newhouse/ <owns advance publications, which owns reddit
mircea_popescu: i honestly hadn't read it. great cults think alike!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16634 @ 0.00063719 = 10.599 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: happy birthday genesis block
mircea_popescu: good point heh.
mircea_popescu: mats: then shadowban 90% of posters <<< can only shadowban 10% of users. because percents, and "new version of the world"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-12-2014#958248 << gotta watch those old versions of the world, yo, lest sam altman gives you a "doesn't understand how the world works" black star.
assbot: Logged on 22-12-2014 02:21:10; decimation: some bum who camps next to the George Washington bridge also has 300,000 'views' per day - that doesn't transform him into a 'profitable business'
thestringpuller: lol, "bitcoin miami con. ference."
mircea_popescu: undata: mats: was there some more specific strategy with the brick than "fuck this wrist..." ? << i also think the guy had the right idea. "when confronted with bullshit, escalate."
adlai is so glad that he's not paying for his miami btc attendance
kakobrekla: you are going there?!
adlai: plans finalized weeks ago
assbot: [openssl-dev] EC key generation in broken in all versions ... ( http://bit.ly/1A5YBvN )
mircea_popescu: decimation: it would probably be okay for dictating an email or whatever << this mostly exposes the unfounded belief that coding is for men while emails is for women. in point of fact, adding an extra byte error in some derpy code is irrelevant. for one thing, it would not be the only one. for another thing, it's just code. meanwhile, i shudder at the thought of byte errors in my emails.
mircea_popescu: ahaha wut mats
mats: it looks bad
mircea_popescu: "Because OpenSSL gently handles leading zero bytes in a private key, I'm quite sure that a correction of the EC key encoding has no impact."
mircea_popescu: basically, leading 0s / bad padding. not so much of a practical issue
adlai: garzacoin shilling is getting quite intense, though. i've even met irl paycoin shills at a local meetup, and it's sad how clueless they are of their role in the larger scam (or sad how they can't get a decent stage acting gig, and have to do this shit instead)
mircea_popescu: but definitely not the only cockroach inthat room.
mircea_popescu: adlai why on that later part ?
mircea_popescu: unemployed actors have always been indistinguishable from bums. this for very good reason, without this mud on the pond bottom, no lotus.
mircea_popescu adds Annie Yousar to the list of women in tech he likes.
thestringpuller: "Why don't we just shoot nuclear waste of our atmosphere and into the Sun?" "Because it's stupid expensive and it's stupid dangerous if a rocket blows up on the launchpad. Please don't do this."
mircea_popescu: nah, it's actually the only sensible solution.
mircea_popescu: also where it's headed. the entire "o we hate this that and the other" verbiage peripheral to energy generation today is entirely born out of abundance.
mircea_popescu: once shit starts running out...
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kakobrekla: well sorry to hear that adlai :)
mircea_popescu: Preet Baharara is himself specifically concerned that the defense wants to bring up:
mircea_popescu: "views concerning the propriety of U.S. or international drug laws or the propriety of government regulation of individual conduct or commerce on the Internet"
mircea_popescu: and this shouldn't be a point of discussion in that trial because... they know they'll lose ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-12-2014#958376 << check out the wary, restrained suspicious look of the italian guy in the back. testament to the insane pressure everyone's under, for literally no good reason.
assbot: Logged on 22-12-2014 06:04:16; fluffypony: incredible photo of a cop beating a black man in New York: http://i.imgur.com/H3NPEbi.jpg
mircea_popescu: "o but it was on tv"
adlai: actually looks like the cop is getting his ass handed to him
mircea_popescu: cazalla "Qntra first began sounding the alarm in regards suspicious claims made by GAW Miners back in October of 2014 and despite these warnings, it has largely gone ignored until the past few days whereby it has exploded all over /r/bitcoin." dja mean qntra or gaw has been largely ignored ?
assbot: Logged on 22-12-2014 07:07:40; fluffypony: thestringpuller: what's lol about that? reasonable use of an unused HTTP code, and I don't think that there's anything wrong with the plugin they've developed
mircea_popescu: "I want to know how this scamming company are finding out the reservation numbers, the dates, the contact details, there's a lot of private information there," she said.
mircea_popescu: A spokesperson for Booking.com told Money Box the firm is working with police on how to prevent future phishing attacks. They declined to be interviewed.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24982 @ 0.00061156 = 15.278 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;seen austeritysucks
gribble: austeritysucks was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 3 days, 17 hours, 6 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <austeritysucks> ok have a good one cazalla you too
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: and the whole greenwald/poitras/etc shitgnome gang <<< very little has been made of this, but here'd be a great angle for investigative jouralism :
mircea_popescu: all the asshole "lefties" for pay that helped the usg "react to" snowden have made money out of it. the old system where a "random hero" was selected to be held up as a fetish for the masses, "explaining" their poverty and justifying their pointless struggle is giving way, out of sheer exhaustion of resources,
mircea_popescu: to the typically corrupt latter soviet system where that hero is a hero of the union.
mircea_popescu: so, look into the bank accounts of all those invovled, see who's made a little bezzlebucks they had no perspective of making in 2005
mircea_popescu: decimation: imagine if the billions poured into 'cybersecurity' were spent on constructing an actual secure terminal from first principles << there's a fundamental problem with soft, fiat, paper money, that it can't be used for arbitrary purposes, which is the very meaning of "soft" in their name.
mircea_popescu: there's that quip about how it's easy enough to get women to do what they want to do anyway, getting them to do what should actually be done is the headache.
mircea_popescu: this is exactly how soft money work : you can easily "spend" billions in scrip to get loafers to loaf around.
mircea_popescu: you could not get a single dolphin to fly, nor a single loafer to work, for an infinity in scrip. because it's not "in their nature"
mircea_popescu: specifically, not in the loafer's nature to chance, he needs to be coerced. and not in the scrip's nature to coerce, it'd have to be hard money for that.
mircea_popescu: in this sense, some guys stranded on a deserted island COULD build a coconut trading empire where they just keep selling and buying the same three dried old coconuts to the point where their imaginary "economy" far outstrips the whole combined world trade.
mircea_popescu: what they couldn't ever do, no matter what nominal value each coconut theoretically reaches, is buy a sloop.
mircea_popescu: even if the coconut goes for ten trillion "dollars" on their island, and a sloop never costs 1mn
mircea_popescu: so in this sense, thinking of bitcoin as even having a dollar value other than infinity is nonsense.
mircea_popescu: i can use my bitcoin to pay for a hit on obama. one can't even use his dollars in lumps larger than 10k, we don't even get to discuss the content because the form already trips us up.
mircea_popescu: in any case, money and us dollars aren't fungible, and so no, nobody could ever have used the billions poured into cybersecurity for any useful purpose.
mircea_popescu: that money only existed for as long as it wasn't put to work, much like buffett's billions worth of chewinggum empires
danielpbarron: !up ascii_modem
ascii_modem: that money only existed for as long as it wasn't put to work << definition of bezzle, aha
ascii_modem: else simply sony-ing it << only question is how to make the buggers keep the 'sony-d' chip in print.
ascii_modem: notice how more or less full docs for 15+ y.o. pc components can usually be had (perhaps minus the backdoors & easter eggs, but sufficient for kernel devs)
ascii_modem: but invariably this happens only when the chip can no longer be met with even in a scrapyard.
ascii_modem: how come the fbi is this impotent ? << because it is slated for replacement with a new gendarmerie. i thought we went over this
mircea_popescu: no, sony the whole thing
mircea_popescu: keep chip in print yourself.
ascii_modem: lol which 'yourself' ? and how to know it wasn't a hangout design
ascii_modem: see siberian pipeline.
mircea_popescu: how does isis know the dushkas aren't really "gushkas" ?
ascii_modem: aha. see 'eldest son'
ascii_modem: (usa mixed tetryl into gunpowder and slipped the cartridges behind north vietnamese lines)
mircea_popescu: decimation: one gets the picture that usg 'leaders' think of themselves as being above such trivialities as secure communications << this is not as unlikely as itmay seem. at a time when caesar came up with the pgp of that time, most of the senate a) loled at the nonsense ; b) wondered which gods caesar was praying to to be that successful.
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem different usa.
mircea_popescu: by the way ascii_modem! teh world eagerly awaits a letter from you. seeing how we missed the previous opportunity
ascii_modem: soon as i get home ( visiting phamily )
mircea_popescu: how's family ?
ascii_modem: sleeping.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: wake me up when a 'minuteman' is pwned and sent off on an unsanctioned joyride. << that may require fixing them.
ascii_modem: so before my battery dies: fbi will be swapped out for janissary corps of some description
ascii_modem: just as courts will be freislerized under herr bhararra
mircea_popescu: it doesn't actually have the oomph to carry it through
mircea_popescu: that'd be the fate of an actual, vital, functioning empire.
ascii_modem: and devil knows what other mutations will be - attempted
mircea_popescu: this one... will just dissolve.
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2014 08:40:19; jurov: <mircea_popescu> somehow nobody goes "o look, mp paid 100s of btc so bitcoin financial space may exist" << you know, that space practically does not exist for them
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2014 03:30:09; asciilifeform: all that resulted was a leak, of facts which anglo media will never print - so it's almost as good, from their point of view, as 'never happened'
mircea_popescu: errything's world with teh wrong!
ascii_modem: i still want to learn how they intend to keep dpr from mouthing off in the cage
ascii_modem: muzzle ?
mircea_popescu: threaten him with being kick out if he does.
mircea_popescu: likely, the same education that produced retardo-shrem had some effect on him too
mircea_popescu: fail that, kick him out of his own trial, hold the whole thing stalin-style
mircea_popescu: they'd rather not, but it's purely an aesthetic preference.
ascii_modem: i suspect he'll be shown the instruments.
mircea_popescu: eh what instruments.
ascii_modem: perhaps simply the inside of two different prisons
mircea_popescu: men afraid of prisons are like women afraid of cocks.
ascii_modem: they'll show him a пресс-хата
ascii_modem: (specially-prepared cell full of eager beavers of wtf the current eng term is for them)
mircea_popescu: is that a FEMININE ?!
ascii_modem: press-hut
ascii_modem: as in peine forte et dure
mircea_popescu: but it's press-hutte
mircea_popescu: russian is almost romanian in its sense of sarcasm.
ascii_modem: arbitrary genderings, as in , e.g. french
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: misery keeps us feed. <<< that kicked ass lol
mircea_popescu: ;;google mika epstein daterange:2457024-2457026
gribble: Mika Epstein aka Ipstenu is a thoroughly clueless poser pe Trilema ...: <http://trilema.com/2015/mika-epstein-aka-ipstenu-is-a-thoroughly-clueless-poser/>; WordPress › Support » HostIP.info not working: <https://wordpress.org/support/topic/2198237>; Mailbag: Where Do I Start Learning? - Half-Elf on Tech: <http://halfelf.org/2015/mailbag-start-learning/>
mircea_popescu: !up justusranvier
mircea_popescu: !up austeritysucks
mircea_popescu: davout: BingoBoingo: i really like your articles <<< i agree, the man's showing real talent.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 30077 @ 0.00005013 = 1.5078 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: xilinx ships a set of identially-functioning turdlibraries for both languages. << one wonders how they actually achieved this.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BUT I WORK REALLY HARD! << But it stabilized S.MPOE
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: at the risk of repeating the last 100+ xilinx threads <<< basically, there was no torvalds for hardware. yet.
mircea_popescu: phocus an' emphasis on yet.
ben_vulpes dreams lightly of litho processes and large gates
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [02:37:56] kakobrekla: he is just caught in a local pain minimum. <<< kako is like our blind slovenly prophet. he knows teh truths! << blind somalian i thot ;)
mircea_popescu: it's complicated.
kakobrekla: jesus bbet div incident again. this is worse than if it was automated.
mircea_popescu: much worse.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: see the siberian pipeline incident. << i am not convinced by this sole flower.
mircea_popescu: pretty much every industrial project fails in some manner or another before being complete.
mircea_popescu: the russians are possibly sloppier than average.
mircea_popescu: in that sea of diverse failure, that malware was involved in like... one in a decade fails to even register
mircea_popescu: and this without as much as considering the wilful part. to propose that the us has any control over the ineptitude it peddles (not just software - their politics of "democracy" are equally inept, and just as eagerly exported) past the simple "it'll suck" strikes me as nonsense.
mircea_popescu: you might as well claim a tb patient is god, because he can kill people. sort-of.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: what should he want on top of this ? << the world is not made either by or for the content.
mircea_popescu: decimation: if the world were reversed and china was designing stuff for us foundries to stamp out, it would certainly be the case that us folks would try to do it themselves << in 1814 this actually was the case, except china was england.
mircea_popescu: in 2014 ? no wai. ascii's description of the chinaman suits the usian much closer than it suits the intended subject.
mircea_popescu: decimation: complexity is intentional, to lock everybody in <<< while this may be true, it is also in economical terms an anti-moat. not only does it not make it hard for competitors to compete, it actually makes it easy.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: the freedom of the semiconductor belongs - not! to the fellow with the factory - but the one who controlls the entire process stack << so much bull. and i suppose the freedom of the press belongs to conde nast, because mp can't write a blong and it can't be more widely read than mashable because wikipedia won't admit to it and that matters. o.O and okay...
mircea_popescu: Adlai: so what's the roadmap for liberating honest silicon's ability to self-reproduce from the monkeys that are trying to choke it down? a) make cardano ; b) make next product ; c) keep doing this.
mircea_popescu: keep nipping from the sides until eventually, have a complete, us-independent computing stack. start open war on the patent idiots, put everyone ever involved in jail, starve them slowly, publish pictures in a specially created memorial etc etc.
assbot: BitBet (S.BBET) December 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HpbaTH )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54473 @ 0.00062038 = 33.794 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: got my hopes up for a second there
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00056887 = 12.9702 BTC [-] {7}
BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust darsie
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask darsie!~darsie@80-110-73-160.cgn.dynamic.surfer.at. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user darsie: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BingoBoingo&dest=darsie | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=darsie | Rated since: Sun Jul 1 16:42:17 2012
BingoBoingo: <gribble> #21874 || darsie || BUY 1.0 1 kg uranium @ 100 EUR || e.g. counterweight, projectile, radiation shield. I'm not sure if that's a reasonable price since an aircraft company had trouble finding a dump where they could get rid of some counterweights. I'm open for other amounts or some thorium metal/compounds, highly radioactive stuff like mushrooms from Chernobyl and a ~1 kg piece of tungsten at/near theoretical density.
BingoBoingo: scoopbot -fetch
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/espn-sold-their-bitcoins/
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_modem
ascii_modem: ty BingoBoingo
ascii_modem: see the siberian pipeline incident. << i am not convinced by this sole flower. <<<< an attributable wreck is a failed mission, really
mircea_popescu: ;;seen punkman
gribble: punkman was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 22 hours, 45 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <punkman> if I wasn't already smoker, I'd probably start right about now
ascii_modem: the silent, tedious corrosion of everything even vaguely computerized, on account of winblows - that's a modern usg win.
mircea_popescu: how is it a win lol.
ascii_modem: ephialtes doesnt care abou straightening own back - knows it's a fantasy - but happy to turn everyone else into hunchback.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> how is it a win lol. << If USG accepts it can't have nice things it can try to still be kind of the dump
mircea_popescu: re BingoBoingo's piece : bitpay ended up buying VIEWERS at 150 usd/CPM ?
mircea_popescu: pretty bad deal.
ascii_modem: lol! i can't even readily distinguish this incident from the ordinary background radiation of perverse chumpatronicity that surrounds everything sport-related at all times...
BingoBoingo: Par for that advertising chumpatron
mircea_popescu: still a horrible use of dollars. apple got to be apple by paying about 2-5% of that, over a decade.
mircea_popescu: compared to that discipline, the impact of jobs' "genius" is overstated.
mircea_popescu: in completely unrelated idiocy : "No Javascript You are seeing this page because you do not have Javascript enabled in your browser. Unshorten.It! requires Javascript to function. "
assbot: Investigations in the bone heap of the lost generation. Today, Mashable. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1A71lsD )
assbot: Investigations in the bone heap of the lost generation. Today, Mashable. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1A71lsS )
mircea_popescu: because the web is fucking useless.
thestringpuller: you're on a modem? I fall asleep for 2 hours and the world is back int he dark ages?
ascii_modem: radiomodem
thestringpuller: did you have to dial a telephone number too XD
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> still a horrible use of dollars. apple got to be apple by paying about 2-5% of that, over a decade. << It's a fake money problem really. Too many VC dollars that can't actually buy things so they go marketing pissing matches.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo amusingly enough, they did get the right ideas earlier, just no execution. this i suppose is much easier.
ascii_modem: that which can be bought with toy money - will be
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, earlier they needed discipline to avoid starving.
BingoBoingo: We'll know Ethereum is dead when Vitalik puts of Vastly more money for a New Years day bowl.
mircea_popescu: heh. that's ok, we kinda knwo it's dead already.
ascii_modem: it fired its load
ascii_modem: to still palpable effect
mircea_popescu: i can't palp it ? how do you do it ?
ascii_modem: sank btc/usd. and this is the one time of year when i can feel it on on skin
mircea_popescu: heh nonsense.
ascii_modem: (recently paid for conf3)
mircea_popescu: you might as well say it global warmed.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1800 @ 0.00082499 = 1.485 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: decimation: maybe 'honest' silicon valley is impossible, in the same way that it's impossible for the two prisoners to coorperate, even if it is in their best interests << actually the two prisoners cooperate more often than not.
ascii_modem: waterfalled
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem looky, the 12 btc or w/e random reddit noob threw under the bus in that scam does not to any degree figure.
ascii_modem: 30000 ?
mircea_popescu: get out.
ascii_modem: now i can't say they physically existed
ascii_modem: but intended effect - is there.
mircea_popescu: so is global warming.
mircea_popescu: buterin did it!
ascii_modem: with mighty fart
mircea_popescu: (i'm somehow confused as to how the slackening btc affects you anyway, not like the conference became more expensive ?!)
ascii_modem: in btc
mircea_popescu: but if you just bought it, you just bought howevermany needed. 100 or 0.1, same thing to you, just a token
ascii_modem: can't get btc here by buying like cement
mircea_popescu: i dun follow ?
ascii_modem: i get paid in bzollars
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 298.08, Best ask: 298.96, Bid-ask spread: 0.88000, Last trade: 297.91, 24 hour volume: 12530.87351372, 24 hour low: 297.0, 24 hour high: 316.83, 24 hour vwap: 305.118530684
mircea_popescu: o hey, look at that, under 300 even
ascii_modem: these are not convertible to btc except via humiliating pederast temples
assbot: 'US military shot down MH370' claims former Proteus Airlines boss | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1A755dH )
mircea_popescu: wait wait, so one of the miusing planes WAS ACTUALLY SHOT BY THE US ?
mircea_popescu: and they're still covering it up ?
BingoBoingo: <ascii_modem> these are not convertible to btc except via humiliating pederast temples << Local "Rent to Own" Chumpatron reportedly sells BTC via something called LibertyX Seems to fit the definition of Pederast temple
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_modem
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: has anyone ever messed around with sighash_anyonecanpay? <<< not afaik.
ascii_modem: airplane << notice the sop 'dailymailization' tactic
mircea_popescu: yet another one of those very useful contributions of contributirs contributing.
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem i noticed it and ignored it.
ascii_modem: insta-anticredibility spray
mircea_popescu: looking forward to more of the "oh mp is such a conspiracy nut" stuff.
mircea_popescu: nope. doth not work.
ascii_modem: 'works when used as prescribed'
mircea_popescu: nope. it only works in the sense placebo is medicine.
mircea_popescu: placebo is not medicine, even if it "works".
mircea_popescu: for it to work it'd have to actually work.
mircea_popescu: but forget about me for a second. drudge beheaded clinton, the libtards' most beloved president (mostly because he destroyed banks and everyone's savings to put 100k black bums in houses they can't afford and meanwhile destroeyd)
mircea_popescu: all through, and years before, and years after they tried this "works" thing.
mircea_popescu: it did not save their president. it did nothing else.
mircea_popescu: it doth not work.
ascii_modem: worked re: kenney, for instance.
ascii_modem: kennedy
ascii_modem: damn this kbd
mircea_popescu: kennedy ?
ascii_modem: removal of
mircea_popescu: gimme a break will you, or else ima summon preet the friendly parrot to bar you from referencing stuff happening 20 years ago
mircea_popescu: statue of lithmusations, yo!
mircea_popescu: and currently it's "working" on rush limbaugh, and it's working so well the guy's audience's never been better
mircea_popescu: and all his dingy scams selling gold and other crap to mentally disabled senior citizens goes by flying.
ascii_modem: he, iirc, is the american zhirinovsky
ascii_modem: i.e. controlled , harmless clown
mircea_popescu: so this magical dust "works" except it doesn't but it's okay because when it doesn't the shaman didn't really want it to ?
mircea_popescu: at some point you gotta accept fact-based evidence.
ascii_modem: i'll say it stopped working when, e.g., pentagon missile is discussed - at a tribunal, followed by hangings
ascii_modem: of everyone involved in the coverups
mircea_popescu: these aren't in any sense the same thing.
mircea_popescu: you're proposing it works to the multitudes, this is a test of political will.
mircea_popescu: i'll hang them, with or without discussion, with or without "the public", once it's ripe. how's the "works" dust going to do anything either way then ?
mircea_popescu: or before then ? or after ?
ascii_modem: then - right, works no more
ascii_modem: meanwhile, something is standing between these folks and the lampposts
mircea_popescu: sure. but not that.
mircea_popescu: if it were that, they'd be dangling.
mircea_popescu: adlai: for the record, i think that's a shame and a sin, and that y'all are a little silly for this << do explain.
mircea_popescu: or perhaps you're going to entertain polite doubt as to the proper count of three beads to better fit with the lazy posing as retarded ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: your cl is oddly object oriented << o.O
mircea_popescu: that's a serious insult is it ?
ascii_modem: for the record, 'clos' is, as of today, the only non-retarded incarnation of that concept yet built
ascii_modem: with the possible exception of its immediate ancestor, 'flavours'
ascii_modem: see classic text 'art of the metaobject protocol'
ascii_modem: clos was not conceived by or for semiliterate labourers, like other 'object' systems
ascii_modem: but by and for folks occasionally working in difficult domains where no other model fits
ascii_modem: e.g. 'cad'
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mircea_popescu: not bad kakobrekla
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, ascii_modem: i'll get to know it eventually. only now beginning to dabble with McCLIM at gabriel_laddel's suggestion.
ben_vulpes: for now, none of my problem domains need modeling with any sort of "objects".
mircea_popescu: heh, the problem with the f-35 isn't "stealth"
mircea_popescu: the problem with the f35 is the usg.
ben_vulpes: "stealth" aircraft is a straight up retarded concept.
mircea_popescu: this constant trying to unload blame for very personal, very peculiar, very speciffic and very narrow incompetence and idiocy on facts of math, physics and the world generally is ridoinculous.
ben_vulpes: "that 2x2 thing up at 30kft moving at mach 1.8 couldn't *possibly* be an airplane!"
mircea_popescu: the problem of f-35 is "transgender rights" and "women in tech" and "check your priviledge"
mircea_popescu: not stealth.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the discussion can't possibly reach those merits,
mircea_popescu: because it dies much earlier on.
ben_vulpes: come now, the obsession with stealth is a great indicator of how moronic US armsmithing's become.
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> "that 2x2 thing up at 30kft moving at mach 1.8 couldn't *possibly* be an airplane!" << I though it couldn't get anywhere near that fast because it is too fat.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: the point is that "stealth" merely reduces the cross section, doesn't render things invisible.
ben_vulpes: "could it be a UFO, boss?"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes this is true, but i'd state it like this :
mircea_popescu: air war is by its nature an attrition war. airplanes are made to be destroyed, fundamentally.
mircea_popescu: this plain fact meeting the us' unwillingness to actually fight created a mirage : the jet fighter that's not really a jet fighter
ben_vulpes: ha that's an amusing point.
mircea_popescu: in this sense, like the flying submarine or the pocket tank, it's pure nonsense.
mircea_popescu: the correct focus, when it comes to airfight, is cheapness. as the germans well proved, and then the allies well learned from them.
ben_vulpes: let's not forget the nips.
mircea_popescu: but to be a warlike country that'd require warlike men. and that is not something the current us can support.
mircea_popescu is asia-ignorant.
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ben_vulpes: bamboo suicide planes, the stories hold.
ben_vulpes is no wwii japanese historian either
ben_vulpes: the limit of this curve has some interesting hints for the future of air combat.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the most successful airstrike in human history
mircea_popescu: was carried out by men that didn't even own the fucking plane they used.
mircea_popescu: rented fucking aircraft! BY THE SEAT!
ben_vulpes: unmanned vehicles can pull arbitrary g loads, and be made across the spectrum of capability in a way that the manned vehicles currently aren't (probably couldn't be, due to procurement processes).
mircea_popescu: it's where they're trying to go with the drones neh ?
mircea_popescu: well, everyone with a drone program
ben_vulpes: usg seems to be going out of its way to avoid anything smart with drones.
mircea_popescu: usg, china, russia, korea, etc
ben_vulpes: going so far as to build planes and fleets purpose designed to be vulnerable to swarm attacks.,
mircea_popescu: no argument there.
mircea_popescu: "oh, nobody'd dare sink an aircraft carrier."
mircea_popescu: sort-of like the misbehaving nerd who imagines his school experience is life experience. "oh, he wouldn't REALLY punch me in the face."
ben_vulpes: http://qntra.net/2015/01/espn-sold-their-bitcoins/ << purchaser of the contract is nowhere to be found lol
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ben_vulpes: !up t
ben_vulpes: !up ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: amidoinitrong?
mircea_popescu: it voices neh ?
ben_vulpes: <ascii_modem> [19:31:50] these are not convertible to btc except via humiliating pederast temples << lol i love this routine
ben_vulpes: "no u guise seriously i do everything the way lizard hitler insists"
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: hm mebbe i'm not seeing mode changes.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla did you break the 30 minute thing ?
kakobrekla: [22:03:26] <ben_vulpes> !up t
kakobrekla: [22:03:28] * assbot gives voice to t
kakobrekla: [22:04:05] <ben_vulpes> !up ben_vulpes
kakobrekla: [22:04:12] * assbot gives voice to ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: !down mircea_popescu
kakobrekla: yeah you voiced yourself so you are a faggot but nothing else.
t: so, what's bitcoin-assets all about then?
ben_vulpes: ;;ping
gribble: pong
ben_vulpes: !t m butts
assbot: How can I be of assistance, my poor man?
mircea_popescu: ;;google bitcoin assets rules and regulations
gribble: IRS Notice 2014-21 - Internal Revenue Service: <http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/n-14-21.pdf>; New York Proposes Bitcoin Regulations | Money.com - Time: <http://time.com/money/3004751/new-york-bitcoin-regulations-benjamin-lawsky/>; Proposed New York Codes, Rules and Regulations - Department of ...: <http://www.dfs.ny.gov/about/press2014/pr1407171-vc.pdf>
mircea_popescu: mehj google.
kakobrekla: irs lol.
mircea_popescu: all teh wanna-bes!
assbot: #bitcoin-assets rules and regulations pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/14BP426 )
ben_vulpes: clearly google is oppressing you.
ben_vulpes: t: cryptoanarchy
t: which is?
ben_vulpes: cryptoautarky?
decimation: ascii_modem: ephialtes doesnt care abou straightening own back - knows it's a fantasy - but happy to turn everyone else into hunchback. << "There is, in fact, a manly and lawful passion for equality which excites men to wish all to be powerful and honoured. This passion tends to elevate the humble to the rank of the great; but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to
decimation: lower the powerful to their own level, and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - de Tocqueville
ben_vulpes: whatever one makes of it, t.
t: ben_vulpes: so what's the channel for?
ben_vulpes: mostly cult self-affirmation.
ben_vulpes: it's one of the more fun nodes in the bitcoin arg.
ben_vulpes: you too can slay grues!
ben_vulpes: !up ascii_modem
ascii_modem: danke ben_vulpes
ascii_modem: also plz explain re: herr hitler
t: people keep turning up complaining guys here are ddosing them, so what's going on with that?
ben_vulpes: t: well for a while anyone without a cloak got ddossed.
mircea_popescu: t let me find you the relevant discussion in #freenode.
ben_vulpes: pretty simple.
ascii_modem: one of the idlers is a vandalbot
kakobrekla: (was afiak)
t: ben_vulpes: oh, who does that?
ben_vulpes: t: any chance you can make freenode autocloak people? i don't see the value in exposing everyone's IPs.
ben_vulpes: t: how would we find out?
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t: dunno, depends on who's involved etc.
ben_vulpes: aside from experimentally kicking everyone one at a time, logging in and finding the culprit.
mircea_popescu: t there yu go ^
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decimation: re: air war attrition << manned aircraft are on the way out anyway, with proper secure comms and a decent AI, a robot army of aircraft makes more sense
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mircea_popescu: decimation is this "proper secure comms" thing like the holy sacrament ?
decimation: well, that's the obvious weak spot in a remote control aircraft
ascii_modem: the whole robot war thing -only- 'works' for usg or similar vs unarmed or max iron age folks
ascii_modem: jamming is easy & cheap
decimation: exactly, thus 'proper secure comms'.
ascii_modem: using what magical unjammable wave.
mircea_popescu: t incidentally, how recent are these complains ? vandal seems to have moved on maybe a week or two ago.
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem well, maybe they make the fighter-bombers of the future work on love.
assbot: Logged on 30-12-2014 04:51:09; asciilifeform: basic rules include: 1) don't be a loud, solitary point source. anywhere. ever. 2) spread spectrum, frequency hop, cryptographically driven 3) steganographically mix into existing spectrum garbage.
decimation: !ping assbot
ascii_modem: ^ inapplicable to realtime
ascii_modem: this is an essential lesson btw
decimation: ascii_modem: true. that's why ideally your robot plane ought to be able to operate without comms to the greatest extent possible
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mircea_popescu: could it bake me a pie /
ascii_modem: ai soldier - aha
decimation: well, the problem ai planes & ai soldiers is that the poorly wrought heuristics that went into the design would quickly be learned and exploited by the enemy
ascii_modem: 'yes master: i shall bake you, a pie'
mircea_popescu: "A woman without her man is nothing had an infinite number of arms"
decimation: I would grant that it is likely that if the us went to war against someone who would be willing & able to shoot down satellites then the us would find itself suddenly back into an air attrition war with human-piloted planes
decimation: in which case, it would make a hell of alot more sense for the us to be stamping out thousands of f-16s for each 1 f-35
mircea_popescu: what the hell is this war planning where "willing and able" are ifs on the part of the enemy ?
ascii_modem: usg presently has no enemy armies, only recalcitrant muppets
mircea_popescu: you discussing reality or fantasy ?
ascii_modem: for them these are made
decimation: it does seem that the us generally puts much weight on 'but they would never do that' in its foreign strategy
ascii_modem: rephantasality
mircea_popescu: not only are there ~3 armies it could never touch, but it's getting humiliated on a regular basis by the orks in the desert.
ascii_modem: as seen by the patients
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mircea_popescu: watch us foreign policy around china and you'll get a pretty good idea of how the war'd go. according to both parties.
decimation: re: orcs in the desert << the us could roll them over in about 2 days if the us were willing to commit the men & willing to actually fight to win
decimation: but the us is not so willing.
mircea_popescu: by the way : i've been reading chinese magazines, in the sense of looking at the pictures.
ascii_modem: this is like supposing that exterminators are enemies of roaches
mircea_popescu: you should see how obama is depicted in chinese mags.
ascii_modem: in reality - best friends
mircea_popescu: decimation could not.
mircea_popescu: the us is not the us of vietnam era, when what you say was probably true.
mircea_popescu: the us does not contain enough men today.
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem i've not seen many exterminators scurrying to scuttle their embassy or anything like that.
ascii_modem: eh it can always form a dirlewanger battallion.
decimation: I don't agree. there are plenty of men, but none of them would be willing to give up their lives to further the cause of the transgendered in syria
mircea_popescu: decimation seems a distinction without a difference in the context.
decimation: if in the sense of 'have, but can't use', I agree
ascii_modem: ( those unfamiliar with herr dirlewanger - srraight
mircea_popescu: anyway, this discussion readily reduces to stuff typified by like... tom sawyer
mircea_popescu: "i could if i wanted to" etc.
ascii_modem: to librraryg
ascii_modem: lookhimup, its worth it
mircea_popescu: is this the guy that got beaten to death by teh frenchies ?
ascii_modem: it was poles iirc
decimation: ascii_modem: lol he was too much for the SS colonels
ascii_modem: made'em upchuck aye
decimation: well, from the press reports, he seems to be the model that isis is using on their side of the war (wrt random brutality), and it seems to be working for them
ascii_modem: part of a balanced ( empire-building ) diet.
mircea_popescu: decimation kinda what leads to my "no men" statements. brutality only works on certain types.
decimation: !up t
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thestringpuller: I need to buy coins
thestringpuller: it's not on the schedule tho :(
mircea_popescu: davout: who decided, and why, that the contents should be gpg signed ? << oh for cryssakes it was in the log like 20 times.
thestringpuller: what's this storj thing?
thestringpuller: another ycombinator thing?
mircea_popescu: well, the most encrypted cloud storage.
mircea_popescu: i was waiting for that absolute becoming comparable at the hands of the internet busineseers.
thestringpuller: sounds a lot like incentivized torrents
thestringpuller: just /w encryption
thestringpuller: couldn't you get same effect by spinning up a bunch of AWS instances and storing data encrypted with GPG key?
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thestringpuller: "I keep seeing rabbits."
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mircea_popescu: t anyway, since you seem to be pretty much the balance of still active freenode staff : rather than wasting time on this nonsense of some kid that thinks banal netbios ddos makes him a wizard (which i think has outlived its charm anyway)
mircea_popescu: how about we do something useful. it's been... about a year or so i've been trying to set yu people up with servers.
assbot: Logged on 26-12-2014 19:13:33; asciilifeform: 'For us as the Reserve Bank... ...we'll have to figure out how we make money because the way we generate most of our revenue is through forms of seigniorage, people are willing to hold currency free of interest and that's how we make money...'
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-12-2014#960841 << or, for that matter, eskimo bob. he had that good dose of very angry ready to explode stalker. rob viragh is much more of a dribble, kinda difficult to distinguish from the "michael kors backpacks" flowing mindlessly every which way on the internet.
assbot: Logged on 26-12-2014 19:20:38; ben_vulpes: if only tiberius were still with us. now *that* was some trolling.
mircea_popescu: hm, from asciilifeform's naggum link. "The moralist would not _be_ a moralist if he were willing to abide by and obey the rules he thinks that other people should follow."
mircea_popescu: i guess i can't be a moralist now ?!
mircea_popescu: re the "turned their nose, mainly on account of these pieces", there is something in there i can see as well. it could be reduced to mere bad writing, but otherwise there's this recursive insistence on boring, banal shit that gives the impression the guy's not quite... you know, queenheaded.
mircea_popescu: "Why do you need to have this pointed out in public after you demonstrate again and again that you do not understand what you are saying, cannot do what you say "is not option", and continue to blame others for your behavior?" could have been removed without loss, for instance. parsimony is a great approach, especially when dealing with idiots.
thestringpuller: !up jordandotdev
mircea_popescu: "You need to learn an important lesson and it will not be complete until you are completely humiliated -- or you figure out that what you have done is so bad and stupid that you simply leave us alone until the shame wears off." << surprising naggum never made the next logical step into bdsm.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform https://twitter.com/LizardMafia/status/548523618901454848 << i'm kinda curious, do you feel responsible for the naming convention ?
assbot: All your onions are belong to us.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: what does it mean to bitcoinate? << download and verify blocks, create and broadcast blocks which are in turn verified.
mircea_popescu: download and verify blocks, create and broadcast txn which are included in blocks.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform's "whatsoever" sucks, not least of all because it creates hole for various gnomes to shoehorn their stuff in
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_modem
ascii_modem: lizards << credit d. icke
mircea_popescu: cazalla: well, that didn't take long.. bitcoinfoundation.org has redesigned their website yet again <<< gotta do something...
ascii_modem: afaik he wrote the basic picture
mircea_popescu: !s lizard
assbot: 86 results for 'lizard' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=lizard
ascii_modem: what was this 'wharsoever' i firget
assbot: Logged on 26-12-2014 19:57:06; ben_vulpes: a philosophical question
ascii_modem: aha right
ascii_modem: was a sloppy bit of work
mircea_popescu: im fucking excited to see these guy's monthly report for dec or jan or whenever's next
mircea_popescu: this hasn't happened to me in bitcoin before.
ascii_modem: gnomery is a cadre problem ( is right word ? )
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem much like pestilence is a hygiene problem. sure, it is. doesn't hurt having smooth surfaces tho.
mircea_popescu: *: decimation thinks that time horizon has already been reached <<< pretty much. i dun know any great programmers that want to go to the us. i know some great progreammers stuck i nthere that haven't yet figured that yes, they can leave
mircea_popescu: but for however long that lasts.
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ascii_modem: aha, recall naggum's picture of 'thriving perl ecosystem' as, iirc, a carcass in the sun alive with vermin
mircea_popescu: yet perl outlived him.
mircea_popescu: such an improbable feat, that, if you think of it. most of the bad languages i met in my adolescence are dead and im not even old yet!
ascii_modem: vermin proverbially outlive damn near everything
mircea_popescu: haha i guess that's by definition huh
ascii_modem: perl and the like cannot really die; the human folly that makes them irresistible for some folks - is immortal
ascii_modem: !s new jersey approach
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mircea_popescu: "The anti-immigration people have to invent some explanation to account for all the effort technology companies have expended trying to make immigration easier. "
mircea_popescu: wait... wut ?!
mircea_popescu: and i have to invent some explanation to account for all the effort libtards have put into trying to break down functional society ?
mircea_popescu: "So they claim it's because they want to drive down salaries. But if you talk to startups, you find practically every one over a certain size has gone through legal contortions to get programmers into the US, where they then paid them the same as they'd have paid an American. Why would they go to extra trouble to get programmers for the same price? "
mircea_popescu: either this guy is dumb or the most bald faced scammer ever. seriously, that's how prices work ?
ascii_modem: scamz0r
ascii_modem: but dips into own stash
mircea_popescu: kinda, ya.
mircea_popescu: i find it fascinating just how willing to insult their audience these people are.
ascii_modem: the bugger knows well from what countries they bring the coolies, and why
mircea_popescu: i mean, the written output of the bezzle world is not about convincing, or for that matter even fooling mp.
ascii_modem: largely it is the croak if frogs
mircea_popescu: but there are these people in the middle, who either because they're young, or because they're marginally educated, or marginally intelligent, don't really find themselves in a position of serene immunity.
ascii_modem: there is no 'why' for it
mircea_popescu: yet they do understand enough of you know, basic arithmetic and thermodynamics to see that a "same price" argument is pure nonsense.
mircea_popescu: yet graham doth not care. not on wit.
mircea_popescu: how about that one kid who worships him for whatever dumb kid reason, who suddenly looks up from that page and thinks...
mircea_popescu: but wait! if they didn't pay "the same price" for an immigrant, they'd have to pay a higher price for a local
mircea_popescu: which you know they were recently convicted for criminally colluding not to do.
mircea_popescu: so... same price ? no same price.
mircea_popescu: does this guy have not the slightest moral compunction about that one kid ? because why, because 5 million mouthbreathers that wouldn't read him anyway wouldn't see it in a million years ?
mircea_popescu: what fucking sense does this even begin to make! who's graham loyal to, where's his flag flying ?
ascii_modem: this is not how the kids in question work. whatever saint craps out - gospel. if patent nonsense: test of faith!
mircea_popescu: no wai dude.
mircea_popescu: bear in mind that i have the advantage of very deep intimacy with people that age
ascii_modem: see mr spam.
mircea_popescu: mostly female, but representative.
mircea_popescu: mr spam meets neither qualification.
mircea_popescu: !up null123
ascii_modem: representative?!
ascii_modem: until kid 'sets bozo bit' on his 'sensei', he will assume, at any juncture where he finds himself lost, that - his own fault
ascii_modem: and setting bozo bit on the fellow who convincingly plays the part of your only ticket out of hell - is psychologically expensive
ascii_modem: pg's flunkies believe that they shall be rewarded in this life.
mircea_popescu: not that simple
mircea_popescu: i mean yeah that's how it works for the retarded, 75 to 90 iq
mircea_popescu: but people in the 120 and over range tend to wish to followalong at home
cazalla: mircea_popescu, dja mean qntra or gaw has been largely ignored ? <<< i meant qntra but it was like the 2nd post i made so sorta makes sense not many people read it
ascii_modem: hell, people still read thomas aquinas etc
mircea_popescu: im one of those people.
ascii_modem: s/read/swallow
ascii_modem: (we all read)
ben_vulpes: <ascii_modem> perl and the like cannot really die; the human folly that makes them irresistible for some folks - is immortal << not to mention at the heart of so many terminals.
ben_vulpes: subject of terminals, may i ask what terminal you use, asciilifeform?
ascii_modem: bad example? think of every 'intellectual narcotic' or whatever folks call it now
ascii_modem: ben_vulpes: xterm
ascii_modem: with some decrufting
ascii_modem: and solely in 'ratpoison'
ben_vulpes: xterm, eh?
ascii_modem: ben_vulpes: if you were thinking of physical glass tty - sadly i no longer own one
ben_vulpes: lolno, even my dreams aren't that grand.
ben_vulpes: oh! and subject of ratpoison, did you evaluate and reject stumpwm at some point?
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mircea_popescu: xterm is actually a little unsung hero
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: anyone wanting to hire 30 inventors needs his head checked <<< and what could you do for them ?
mircea_popescu: and how'd you survive ?
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, do you define inventor as someone who has invented something before ? << i define inventor as someone who is a) intelligent and b) completely contemptuous of rules.
mircea_popescu: what common people have historically called a psychopath.
ben_vulpes: xterm, huh?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: the notion that an order once placed must live on until filled is pretty lulzy <<< that's not what's going on there.
mircea_popescu: they actually have a point, albeit a finnicky one and meanwhile the world fell from under the sort of place where such;d be entertained.
ben_vulpes: the point being that one shouldn't be allowed to fire off an order and then immediately its cancellation just to see the market response?
mircea_popescu: the point being that the chair you stand on is only solid in the sense that the wavelength is so tiny you don't have the time to fall through, because your time's quantisized.
mircea_popescu: in the exact same manner, if you allow them to oscillate narrowly enough, you break the concept of volume
mircea_popescu: and it's not clear (but altogether probable that no) whether the concept of exchange works without volume.
ben_vulpes: how'd we do things before the nasdaq?
ben_vulpes: daily computations of volume?
mircea_popescu: they never had the problem
mircea_popescu: because it wasn't technically possible to create oscillators good enough.
ben_vulpes takes some time to think
mircea_popescu: anyway. it'd have been a point in a world pre qe. by now it's like discussing the sow's pubic hairdo.
mircea_popescu: www.sonicfitness.com/cache/uggs.php?uggs=ugg-bottes-pas-cher-france.php << caches.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1500 @ 0.00077152 = 1.1573 BTC [-] {8}
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, I see, so not the very sort graham would like to hire
mircea_popescu: well... the sort he claims he wants to hire, but then ends up with perople like altman
mircea_popescu: in all respects the exact opposite (no intelligence, all rulebook)
mircea_popescu: "assbot: Wealth: The Toxic Byproduct | Melting Asphalt " << bwahaha ok.
mircea_popescu: The piece is a thinking man's struggle to understand the value of his profession. By Somers' own reckoning, his accounts are out of balance. He's paid handsomely, but the work is trivial. As he says:
mircea_popescu: Most of what we’re doing, in fact, is putting boxes on a page.... We fill our days with the humdrum upkeep of these boxes: we change the colours; we add a link to let you edit some text; we track how far you scroll down the page.... Web development is more like plumbing than any of us, perched in front of two slick monitors, would care to admit.
mircea_popescu: Somers' anguish is palpable, and his catalogue of self-effacing remarks reads like an apology. He heaps criticism on himself, his job, and his entire profession. "Web start-up companies are like play-companies," he laments. Their products are "cheap, fun, and about as worldchanging as creating a new variation on beer pong."
mircea_popescu: and incidentally, we have "inventors" defined, if anyone's still curious.
mircea_popescu: they "create" a new variation on beer pong.
mircea_popescu: need to keep importing new turnips because the citizen turnips are too likely to understand harlan ellison ranting in his native tongue.
[]bot: Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment" http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 28(Y):72(N) by coin, 46(Y):54(N) by weight. Total bet: 4050.54501946 BTC. Current weight: 12,517.
mircea_popescu: "Assume you can only pass two things through the window — francs and sacks of grain. Knowing that the Congo is one of the poorest countries on the planet, what strategy will you pursue in order to do the most good for their society?"
mircea_popescu: fucking retards these people.
mircea_popescu: adlai: this article is more thought-provoking than most drugs out there << no, it's not thought provoking.
mircea_popescu: that article is the exact equivalent of masturbation, intellectually : it contains nothing that can even remotely be considered a thought, while keeping the mind spinning.
mircea_popescu: if you must participate in the empty calorie fest of religion, at least pick something respectable rather than the neo-neo-protestant bullshit made by people that are not even less intelligent than that smith fellow with the "ancient egyptian" tablets at the bottom of his hat
mircea_popescu: but much less well read to boot.
mircea_popescu: i doubt anyone could have imagined in the xixth century that anythign less intelligent than us neoprotestantism could be borne by the world. and yet... they've done it again.
decimation: mircea_popescu: once folks have eliminated all possibility of the supernatural, they gotta worship something, why not the local market?
mircea_popescu: you can't worship a thing that exists.
mircea_popescu: if you're going to live in a house, it's generally a better idea to get a house than cobble together something which, to the best of your abilities, is a house.
mircea_popescu: and if you're going to worship, pick something that's at least as well designed as reality permits
mircea_popescu: but no, this never-ending american exceptionalism, where if they never wash baths don't exist and joe squarejaw invented "humidification", this process whereby you dab parts of yourself with a wet cloth.
mircea_popescu: also known as a whore bath in the rest of the world, except joe squarejaw has never heard of the rest of the world.
decimation: yeah, america has a pretty strong tradition of 'history doesn't matter, the world is getting better, we are an outpost of the future, etc'
mircea_popescu: "You begin to wonder if you should feel guilty taking all this money from the poor Congolese — who are now (you must conclude) even poorer as a result." << because that's what money is, right ? a fetish.
mircea_popescu: if someone sent 10mn btc to the black hole, we'll all be even poorer as a result. because reasons.
mircea_popescu: and larger amounts of number.
mircea_popescu: and velocity of money never happened. and understanding consists of daydreaming, and everyone's the same and random nitwits that never killed a man are now allowed to make moral judgements
mircea_popescu: ima go stomp kittens, this shit's too much.
decimation: yeah I read it as pure narcissism masquerading as ideas
mircea_popescu: some years ago i went to timisoara, which is a tiny city in eastern europe, and fancies itself important but really it's a sort of romania's pittsburgh.
mircea_popescu: then some time last year i left.
mircea_popescu: by this logic, seeing how the total value of all assets in that city is probably south of a billion dollars, my leaving constituted a loss of more than half its wealth
mircea_popescu: and i should perhaps feel bad, because whatever, if you have money it's not your money. it's some other dudes'.
mircea_popescu: just like that, they happened to be in the way. because wealth is a sort of rain.
decimation: the god of market morality said so
mircea_popescu: let us not get into shape but instead sit on the couch and wax poetic about what men should be doing and what the definition of womanhood is ; let us not have a clue nor try to get a clue, but instead wax poetic on what money is and what other people should be doing with it and what it all means.
mircea_popescu: im so sick of the civilisation of marauding impotence it can scarcely be put into words.
mircea_popescu: "come be fat and stupid just like us, 54965489769474985 people like this"
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment" http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 28(Y):72(N) by coin, 46(Y):54(N) by weight. Total bet: 4051.54501946 BTC. Current weight: 12,510.
decimation: http://pepijndevos.nl/2015/01/03/branch-free-fizzbuzz-in-assembly.html << ascii, mild amusement. when one wants to implement something (algorithm without branches) suddenly there is no resort except bedrock
assbot: Branch-free FizzBuzz in Assembly - Wishful Coding ... ( http://bit.ly/1vJQjSC )
mircea_popescu: "Money soon became worthless. We returned to an exchange. For a tin can of tushonka (think Soviet spam), you could have a woman. (It is hard to speak of it, but it is true.) Most of the women who sold themselves were desperate mothers."
mircea_popescu: this actually is true. most of the desperate prostitution is mothers trying to cope.
mircea_popescu: apparently kids crying are annoying in general, but for that month it takes them to die of hunger...
cazalla: my experience with it is that there is nothing worse, i hear it even when it is quiet and the kid is asleep, it really gets into your brain
decimation: cazalla: I had the same experience last night, makes you paranoid
cazalla: decimation, that is why i sleep at the other end of the house for the past couple months now
decimation: lol wife is okay with that?
cazalla: never asked tbh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00061874 = 7.7343 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 191 @ 0.11012933 = 21.0347 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2277 @ 0.00062396 = 1.4208 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !up zebedee
decimation: !up null123
decimation: !up null123_
decimation: !up warptangent
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00064116 = 7.8222 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00064116 = 4.2637 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10330 @ 0.00064102 = 6.6217 BTC [-]
assbot: KFC plan to sell beer, cider criticised ... ( http://bit.ly/1tIAr91 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.0006385 = 6.5766 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19050 @ 0.00060727 = 11.5685 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: ;;ping
gribble: pong
ben_vulpes: well this is exciting!
ben_vulpes: i'm going to read logs and then hopefully disconnect all of those errant connections. or just permaban myself! who can ever know with fleanode.
ben_vulpes: okay. back in biz.
decimation: ;;ping
gribble: pong
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00064227 = 8.7028 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: This is more entertaining than anything on TV right now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00064565 = 7.7478 BTC [+]
assbot: A message from GAW : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1tAmrbH )
kakobrekla: aha they are getting paper btc
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Yeah Apparently Silbert's thing hasn't had withdrawals since August because paperwork
BingoBoingo: !up OGF
kakobrekla: pretty fucking sad.
OGF: Hi
BingoBoingo: Hello OGF
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Well... He probably had good intentions until the soldering iron found an uncomfortable place.
BingoBoingo: OGF: What brings you to these parts?
kakobrekla: idk if we believe in good intentions.
OGF: to discuss any assetclass investments :)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo likely story.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, either way he goes in the agent pile
mircea_popescu: "Through time, action and change, I hope we can show you guys that we truly want to contribute to this community." lmao
mircea_popescu: ;;google "come with a broken spirit! come with a contrite heart! Come in your rags and sin and dirt!"
gribble: Chapter 20: Page 3 - SparkNotes: <http://www.sparknotes.com/nofear/lit/huckleberry-finn/chapter-20/page_3.html>; The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn E-Text | CHAPTER XX ...: <http://www.gradesaver.com/the-adventures-of-huckleberry-finn/e-text/chapter-xx>; The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain: <http://etc.usf.edu/lit2go/pdf/passage/162/the-adventures-of-huckleberry- (1 more message)
kakobrekla: one could argue that just like software, silbert was always broken, just only now encountered problematic input.
mircea_popescu: as clemens aptly points out, aunt polly is a sucker for the "repentant" sinner.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yes. one so argues.
mircea_popescu: decimation: kakobrekla: if your bosnia link is true, it strikes me that the most important thing to have in a 'shtf' situation is alot of people on 'your side': family, friends, etc <<< it's pretty accurate. there's no doubt in my mind the guy has first hand experience (ie, is not an internet poseur)
mircea_popescu: *: adlai wonders how many decades/centuries it'll take for speciation to start between "Homo operandus" and "Homo ignavus" << speciation takes 10s to 100s of ks of years.
mircea_popescu: adlai: fwiw, assuming that the fiat parasite sticks around in some form or other, i'd rather have it operate a single UBI program than dozens of badly-coordinated welfare axes << this is not unlike saying that if computer gaming sticks around, you'd rather it consists of one single game.
mircea_popescu: sure, maybe you'd rather. nobody involved shares this pov : neither the game devs nor the game players.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4716 @ 0.00063024 = 2.9722 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: there is a school for that? <<< one of the best features of b-a is its potential for culture shock.
mircea_popescu: i don't think i've ever observed as much of it as since being here.
kakobrekla: cant wait for the bushmans to discover satnet
mircea_popescu: or for chelsea clinton to start selling nudes.
BingoBoingo: <kakobrekla> one could argue that just like software, silbert was always broken, just only now encountered problematic input. << Prolly should have tested him on Vax before releaseing him then
BingoBoingo: <kakobrekla> idk if we believe in good intentions. << Of course not, but it will probably be the myth lesser shitgnomes trot out.
assbot: N1TTZ Callsign - Eric M Kook ... ( http://bit.ly/1tAokoC )
mircea_popescu: apparently a lot of stuff is available on hams.
mircea_popescu: Overand: per bitcoin.it wiki, transactions are about 500bytes, running at 7tps, so that';s ~3500 bytes/sec or (humorously) 28,000 bits per second <<< not the right math. a block is at most 1mb and there's supposed to be 6 an hour.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1 * 8 * 6 / 3600
gribble: 0.0133333333333
mircea_popescu: 133.3 kbps
mircea_popescu: decimation: 16 kHz is probably the max that you will get allocated politically << by the time blockchain over shortwave, "politically" strictly means bitcoin-assets anyway.
mircea_popescu: holy shit i made it to the 30th!
mircea_popescu: ONE DAY! ONE MAN! HIS COFFEE! TWO WEEKS!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: other than 'surrender' <<< actually jump into the pool. rather than just sit on the edge and dunk toes alternatively.
mircea_popescu: 1. ministry of torrents.
mircea_popescu: 2. political asylum to anyone prosecuted by any 5eyes country or their allies for anything that's not petty crime.
mircea_popescu: 3. actually counterfitting bills. all of them. by the barge, not by the suitcase.
mircea_popescu: all the way to dumping into ocean, encased in plastic bubbles.
mircea_popescu: 4. mandatory sex ed for all women. if you're not a vamp by age 16, you're pigfeed.
mircea_popescu: 5. mandatory hacking classes for all men. if you can't hack your way out of fort knox by age 16, you're going to be some vamp's slaveboi.
mircea_popescu: that sorta thing.
mircea_popescu: have an explicit goal that half your population must reside abroad under fake identities by 2025.
mircea_popescu: basically... i'd be a jew.
mircea_popescu: (historically, not currently)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00063024 = 4.1596 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up badon
mod6: nice write-up on btcf BingoBoingo. thanks!
BingoBoingo: Thanks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00062902 = 7.6426 BTC [-] {2}
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