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TheNewDeal: ;;nethash
gribble: 280594055.846
TheNewDeal: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 335484 | Current Difficulty: 3.945767130713873E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 336671 | Next Difficulty In: 1187 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 5 hours, 42 minutes, and 26 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 37656692084.0 | Estimated Percent Change: -4.56433
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00064244 = 11.9494 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1477 @ 0.00123243 = 1.8203 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4426 @ 0.00123312 = 5.4578 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1309 @ 0.00123397 = 1.6153 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2250 @ 0.00124257 = 2.7958 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17450 @ 0.00063509 = 11.0823 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15874 @ 0.00065875 = 10.457 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29600 @ 0.00063396 = 18.7652 BTC [-] {2}
Naphex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoQYw49saqc marry xmas, and such :D laters
assbot: Gorillaz - Clint Eastwood - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/13WT2m6 )
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 838 @ 0.001215 = 1.0182 BTC [+]
assbot: Helping a poor soul having better days | Indiegogo ... ( http://bit.ly/16Mo15j )
kakobrekla: !up AndrewJackson
kakobrekla: !up Ssateneth
kakobrekla: !up hotrew
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 954 @ 0.001215 = 1.1591 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up Elio20
punkman: !up austeritysucks
BingoBoingo: !up austeritysucks
BingoBoingo: Hello austeritysucks
austeritysucks: hi there
BingoBoingo: What brings you around these parts?
austeritysucks: been using bitcoin as virtual items merchant and accumulated some just poking around
punkman: cool, what do you sell?
austeritysucks: csgo items mostly
austeritysucks: counter strike on steam
BingoBoingo: Ah, there's channel logs in the topic if you are interested in some history
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00063918 = 11.0578 BTC [+]
assbot: GCHQ Says Its Surveillance Ability is Crippled Post-Snowden | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1zeZaOq )
Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, "actually has some an explicit" probably a typo
BingoBoingo: Thanks
mike_c: ping jurov
mike_c: have you ever thought about adding the ability to short mpex stocks to coinbr? seems like it would be a great service for you as a brokerage.
mike_c: let people lend shares at an interest rate, and let others borrow (with btc collateral) to short.
thestringpuller: mike_c dunno if there is enough volume for that
mike_c: it is grease for the wheels.
mike_c: like right now, s.bbet has a big bid/ask spread. but it can be tough to market-make a stock if you can't borrow shares to sell.
mike_c: and obviously there is plenty of s.mpoe volume
mike_c: and volatility
thestringpuller: volume was a bad word
thestringpuller: i dunno if there is enough inventory
thestringpuller: volume was completely the wrong word
mike_c: you're going to have to use more words :) I don't follow your concern.
thestringpuller: i don't know if the conglemorate of coinbr users have the inventory of stock necessary to lend.
mike_c: yes, but coinbr would now be offering interest on passive stock holdings. so perhaps it would pick up new types of customers.
asciilifeform: nanotube around? yesterday i updated my key (new exp date, same fingerprint); still getting 'Error: Problem creating encrypted OTP file.' from gribble.
assbot: Search results for '0x17215d118b7239507fafed98b98228a001abffc7' ... ( http://bit.ly/1wCSVXQ )
asciilifeform: but no worky.
BingoBoingo: !up nanotube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47433 @ 0.00063918 = 30.3182 BTC [+]
nanotube: asciilifeform: refreshed your key. (regular cron job runs weekly)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1026 @ 0.00125487 = 1.2875 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2461 @ 0.00126472 = 3.1125 BTC [+] {9}
TomServo: !up drawingthesun
kakobrekla: !up drawingthesun
asciilifeform: nanotube: thx!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45050 @ 0.00067001 = 30.184 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2397 @ 0.0012599 = 3.02 BTC [+]
mike_c: who is best torrent search these days?
mats: do you want an invite to a private tracker?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17326 @ 0.00063648 = 11.0277 BTC [-]
mike_c: um. idk. sure?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6000 @ 0.00033338 = 2.0003 BTC [+] {5}
kakobrekla: (if its what.cd rather say no)
mats: pm email
mats: i only had the one what.cd invite
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 18 @ 0.118 = 2.124 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 47719 @ 0.00004899 = 2.3378 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 150 @ 0.00898401 = 1.3476 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell mircea_popescu Oh look other people are tired of being hasseled with ideas too http://www.itworld.com/article/2862466/im-done-agreeing-to-ndas-before-hearing-ideas.html
assbot: I'm done agreeing to NDAs before hearing ideas | ITworld ... ( http://bit.ly/1xdUJIB )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Sony Now to Release Movie | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1whRhp6 )
TomServo: Ahah - what a bunch of clowns.
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo I'm going to need you to GPG sign this NDA before I discuss details of this project...
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Well, at least you are recorded in the WoT in a way other than Mr Spam is.
thestringpuller: I want to talk to you about this idea flappy plane. It's going to revolutionize aviation.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60016 @ 0.00063775 = 38.2752 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1573 @ 0.00125 = 1.9663 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.00121723 = 1.2172 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 5000 @ 0.00121502 = 6.0751 BTC [-] {6}
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla pong
mircea_popescu: ;;rated grubles
gribble: You have not yet rated user grubles
mircea_popescu: ;;rate grubles -1 Disingenuous at best. One of the large group of everyday nitwits that wandered into Bitcoin early on enough so as to end up with a much larger momentary fortune than their limited brainpower could support. After squandering it through the usual means, they prefer to pretend their funciar stupidity is someone else's fault.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user grubles has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: re the entire grubles/bitvps thing : the listing was discussed for a while, in a public channel. grubles was there, and not only represented himself in agreement, but represented rg as the owner of the thing.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, the contract has a specific clause, 3(a)That no third party has offered verifiable proof as to the inaccuracy or incompleteness of the representations and warranties made herein and that no market makers, preferred traders and other significant investors of MPEx have publicly proffered doubt as to the accuracy or completeness of the representations and warranties made herein ;
mircea_popescu: he never availed himself of it, and that is exactly enough for constructive tacit agreement, just as good as if he swore to the whole thing.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, the guy didn't protest at any point while rg was still running the thing, nor did he stand up to take over once rg fucked it up.
mircea_popescu: there was about a month there while namworld was struggling to salvage the thing. which meanwhile i think died again or what is it these days ?
thestringpuller: oh look it's a popescu!
mircea_popescu: heya thestringpuller
mircea_popescu: how goes the merryments ?
mircea_popescu: !up cornfeedhobo
cornfeedhobo: gracias
thestringpuller: They are interesting! I think my 3D artist has some renders as an XMas present for you. Hopefully chetty can help us get it in the engine sometime Q1.
mircea_popescu: for sure!
thestringpuller: How is your vacation going?
mircea_popescu: pretty fun!
thestringpuller: warmer than the n hemisphere i hope ;)
thestringpuller: not that you'd need warmth with that harem of yours ;)
mircea_popescu: do you realise i've been pretty much here, and on -otc before that, almost every day for like three years straight ?
mircea_popescu: nuts if you say it outloud.
thestringpuller: Well you do have highest word count for good reasons!
thestringpuller: so I work for the marketing department here as a developer.
thestringpuller: in one of the meetings I almost went "marketing is rape"
thestringpuller: and was about to start quoting trilema
thestringpuller: haha! I have no idea why we spend so much on marketing. These designers are wasting their precious time.
mircea_popescu: well just don't get arrested over freedom of speech lol
joecool: heh return of rg to irc seems to be causing arguments in all the bitcoin-* channels
kakobrekla: but he doesnt own his key anymore?
joecool: kakobrekla: i thought that was just a rumor, for months everyone thought he sold his forum login too, yet he claims not since he came back to irc
mircea_popescu: joecool was a fact back then.
mircea_popescu: these things don't change over time i dun think.
joecool: no i wouldn't expect that to change over time if true
mats: it was entertaining to see Anduck chat again
mats: feelings were hurt and words were had
cornfeedhobo: mircea_popescu: sounds like a fun 3 years
mircea_popescu: guy's kinda add.
mircea_popescu: **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 8 16:13:16 2012
mircea_popescu: Apr 08 16:13:16 *Now talking on #bitcoin-otc
mircea_popescu: Apr 08 16:13:16 *Topic for #bitcoin-otc is: OTC marketplace for Bitcoin trading and exchange. | http://bitcoin-otc.com/ | http://bit.ly/x56Fd5 | Start with the ;;guide | Before trading, talk to people, and check ratings. | Beware the FRAUDSTERS. ;;fraud | Trade Options: http://polimedia.us/btc | Bitcoin VPS: http://bitvps.com | BTC → MP @ http://btcpak.com | Support bitcoin-otc! 1F1dPZxdxVVigpGdsafnZ3cFBdMGDADFDe
assbot: #bitcoin-otc ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hx0f8w )
assbot: Bitcoin-otc channel guidelines - bitcoin-otc wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hx0ikJ )
assbot: MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hx0gcJ )
assbot: BitVPS: SSD VPS & Dedicated Servers for Bitcoin | SSD VPS + Dedicated Servers for Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hx0gti )
mircea_popescu: Apr 08 16:13:16 *Topic for #bitcoin-otc set by nanotube!~nanotube@unaffiliated/nanotube at Wed Apr 4 06:47:00 2012
mircea_popescu: ^going through old logs.
mircea_popescu: does -otc still have sponsors or nomoar ?
cornfeedhobo: i havent seen one in a year, i think
joecool: -otc can't even pull together an events bot
cornfeedhobo: afaik, the ops have one
mircea_popescu: well, let it be a lesson to all aspiring states : don't allow gmaxwells anywhere near anything, or they'll shit up your future.
cornfeedhobo: gmaxwell? i think i may have missed the drama involving him ... mind filling me in?
assbot: The froth of our days pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hx0Wid )
cornfeedhobo: hahaha "LOL @ #bitcoin-otc-nsfw is a danieldaniel free zone."
mircea_popescu: i think guy was like 16 or something at the time
mircea_popescu: http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-otc/logs/2012/04/07#l1333839931 << bitvps had one of those "vote your favorite face" thing
assbot: BitcoinStats ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hx1FjD )
cornfeedhobo: he is 16 now. i have met him in NYC. not a fan.
mircea_popescu: a really ? i never kept too close track. just a kid wandered in one day.
mircea_popescu: 22:13 rgsoon you guys can invest in BitVPS
cornfeedhobo: he has gone out of his way too many times to be extremely rude. i found it fitting when he was hired by CoinBase
cornfeedhobo: (customer support)
mircea_popescu: Apr 06 06:24:27 <rg>just set your password to asdfghjkl;' that way you can zip through the whole row. the enter key is even at the end. thats to root password to every bitvps server.
mircea_popescu: Apr 06 06:25:10 <pigeons>i set mine to "incorrect", so when i forget it, the app tells me
mircea_popescu: good old days lol
mircea_popescu: cornfeedhobo isn't support the hell computer afficionados go to die in ?
joecool: cornfeedhobo: still think the best was seeing a minor (danieldaniel) lend btc to a heroin addict (rg), -otc is always good entertainment
cornfeedhobo: that is certainly what i have always thought
cornfeedhobo: indeed
cornfeedhobo: and cry about not getting it back. lol
mircea_popescu: jborkl: What was the rate, 7% per day? Or week << per week
mircea_popescu: but he had an insider deal where he paid the various captains of industry more so they got the idea to resell.
mircea_popescu: joecool when was this ?
joecool: mircea_popescu: about a year or so ago
mircea_popescu: after my time.
jborkl: sweet action, 7% per week... seems so realistic
thestringpuller: cornfeedhobo: danieldaniel is a weird kid.
mircea_popescu: at the time, bitcoin was a few dollars and basically nobody gave much of a shit.
thestringpuller: he's trustworthy tho, or at least was.
mircea_popescu: eventually people started caring and it got crushed into the dirt, but for a year or so all sorts of bugs got to dance on the tools an' pretend.
thestringpuller: I think he spends too much time in front of a computer and not enough time sleeping with girls.
jborkl: yeah, the weekend btcst went bust it dropped to $8
mircea_popescu: it was oscilating aroudn there, at some point prior the pirate muppet was "going to ruin the price" while it went from low 6s to 7s.
mircea_popescu: that was some lulzy log
mircea_popescu: i dun recall which chan it was in tho, some pricewatchers something
thestringpuller: man i miss those days
mircea_popescu: i recall this one instance where i was going to buy some btc but the guy turned out to only have like 5 or so, and i was meh, for that much not worth my time going into paypal.
assbot: cornfeedhobo +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
mircea_popescu: !up cornfeedhobo
mircea_popescu: this was during that dry summer when it stayed at 2.x
thestringpuller: ;;gettrust mircea_popescu gmaxwell
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user gmaxwell: Level 1: -10, Level 2: 20 via 14 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=gmaxwell | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=gmaxwell | Rated since: Mon Jul 25 13:49:45 2011
thestringpuller: lol i think he is rated lower than magicaltux
cornfeedhobo: thestringpuller: he is trustworthy because someone doxxed him a while back. even posted pictures of his mom. I never got the sense that it was genuine, but i could be wrong.
thestringpuller: ;;gettrust mircea_popescu magicaltux
cornfeedhobo: danieldaniel
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user magicaltux: Level 1: -1, Level 2: -22 via 14 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=magicaltux | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=magicaltux | Rated since: Mon Dec 20 13:21:21 2010
mircea_popescu: is danielmom hot ?
cornfeedhobo: i dont recall
rithm: man o man\
rithm: all that text up above
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-12-2014#958826 << somehow nobody goes "o look, mp paid 100s of btc so bitcoin financial space may exist"
assbot: Logged on 22-12-2014 22:14:11; jurov: http://trilema.com/2013/rota-post-mortem/ << Anduck see the discussion, it's mircea's and kako's sacrosanct right to arrange unprotected hole in the foyer with a sign "whatever falls here, is our property"
mircea_popescu: yet plenty of idiot muppets going "o noes, we tried to scam with 10 btc and it didn't work out like we wanted it to BLAME MP"
mircea_popescu: kinda why democracy is a fucking stupid idea. the only logical counterbalance to the common man's moral myopia is a solid grasp on the кнут.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu is the next great khan...
thestringpuller: khan of khans!
thestringpuller has been watching too much netflix
mircea_popescu: i imagine neflix goes gangbusters mid to late decvember
thestringpuller: that was a good radio program.
jborkl: thestringpuller, i watched four episodes last night.
jborkl: i was really bored
assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hx8fXl )
thestringpuller: jborkl: hit or miss right? my asian friend calls it "asian GoT without the dragons"
rithm: http://trilema.com/2013/rota-post-mortem/ i find personally offensive still
assbot: ROTA, post mortem. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hx8kKr )
rithm: perma-disagreement
jborkl: that is about right actually
rithm: afaik the rota thing was a mircea and wences setup
rithm: so everyone can blow me anyways
mircea_popescu: what's so offensive about it ? you had a chance to be like intelligent and prove the common man should have a voice.
mircea_popescu: you used it to prove the common man belongs silent.
mircea_popescu: either way, you know ? things should be what they are.
rithm: that's some sort of twisting of the facts. pay me to discuss it with you and I might.
rithm: i still have the full channel logs
kakobrekla: >The total damage steming from this latest naivity of mine is 150 BTC in owed salaries which become due in December < this was actually paid ?
mircea_popescu: what, trying to imply something's missing ? nothing's missing, it's all there.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla myeah.
kakobrekla: to whom?
mircea_popescu: to, for instance, rithm
rithm: i can look up the txid if you need
kakobrekla: he got 50?
mircea_popescu: iirc rassah didn't want it because he didn't think he had done anything
mircea_popescu: which i can respek.
rithm: i still haz it if you want it back
mircea_popescu: teh great lesson of bitcoinz : there's no backsies.
mircea_popescu: i never had any idea, but liek... teh most fundamentally humane thing actually is going "hey, try again"
mircea_popescu: that is about as unnatural as it gets.
rithm: i'm not sure how someone'e else lack of decision making skills and causality and what-not becomes my failure
rithm: but whatevs
kakobrekla: seems like im listed in the judge list as well. just ftr i did not receive any compensation for my non-work (as i was not involved in a case).
mircea_popescu: yeah you and a 2nd that never actually got to go on a jury didn't get anything. i think mebbe it was jurov ?
mircea_popescu: !up Elio20
mircea_popescu: anyway, better off this way, had the democratic delusions failed to explode we'd just have been belabouring under falsepremises for this interval mostl likely, wouldn't have the lordship list and the supremely valuable understanding of what hierarchy means in society and why equalitarianism is the fruit of the devil jacking off and so on.
mircea_popescu: or at least, i would have been.
rithm goes to kill himself
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: well just don't get arrested over freedom of speech lol << speech isn't really a freedom at that point is it?
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many people noticed the subtle change from freedom of speech to an alleged "right" of free speech.
mircea_popescu: the difference between rights and freedoms being essentially the difference between pearl necklaces and dog collars.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller not bad.
mircea_popescu: in any case : a freedom is something the people have, and the state can't take away. the rights are constructions that the state gives, and so the state can take away.
mircea_popescu: trading a freedom for a right is always a bad deal.
mircea_popescu: and it's what generally happens whenever a state claims to be "protecting rights". it's not protecting anything, it's stealing freedom and issuing in its place token "rights". which, much like its paper currency, are fiat worthlessness.
thestringpuller: !up cornfeedhobo
assbot: Logged on 22-12-2014 23:21:23; mike_c: <+Anduck> if you have nothing to contribute, you don't need to type anything here... k? << have you been in this channel before?
assbot: Logged on 15-11-2014 21:25:49; mircea_popescu: yes.
mike_c: it was more meant as a rebuttal to his comment. people who have nothing to contribute type in here often :) he was a glaring example.
mike_c: btw kakobrekla, i was thinking possible an easy solution to the whole problem of "negrated person won't leave" might be another command. like !recheck Anduck. then if his l2 is no good assbot boots him.
mircea_popescu: the link actually is to his previous bout of derping here
mike_c: it has been an issue at least once before
mircea_popescu: mike_c what's the delay currently, like 15 minutes ?
mike_c: i believe it's infinite
mircea_popescu: people still can /ignore for that short interval, what's teh big deal
mike_c: until the person parts
thestringpuller: mike_c: there will always be netsplits
mircea_popescu: nah, !down works once l2 trust is <1
kakobrekla: well, the delay is the duration of his connection, which isnt too bad considering this is freenode.
mike_c: no, !down doesn't work once l2 trust is <1
mircea_popescu: what am i missing ?!
joecool: who is L2 trust between, mp and user?
mike_c: assbot and user
mircea_popescu: ;;google assbot joecool
gribble: Rating Details for User 'assbot' - Bitcoin OTC: <http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=assbot&sign=ANY&type=SENT>; PREV: 17-04-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2014>; NEXT: 14-03-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2014>
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot joecool
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask joecool!~joecool@no-sources/joecool. Trust relationship from user assbot to user joecool: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=joecool | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=joecool | Rated since: Thu Apr 28 14:23:15 2011
mircea_popescu: !down joecool
mircea_popescu: oh because l1 ?
joecool: i guess
mike_c: but regardless, it doesn't work. person has to part. this is why kako had to boot anduck manually.
mircea_popescu: speak the word of god kako. why is it ?
cazalla: austeritysucks: csgo items mostly <<< if ya ever come back, lemme know the site
kakobrekla: if you up yourself, nobody can down you for the session.
kakobrekla: the trust is checked on up only.
mircea_popescu: would it be hard to check on !down too ?
mircea_popescu: leaving a loophole there deliberately where someone with >1 l1 and 0 l2 can still voice themselves
mircea_popescu: but can also be devoiced whenever
mircea_popescu: then we can count how often this happens to de-l1 people.
kakobrekla: no the 'problem' is that if gribble hops and you reup you will be able to down everyone who has not reupped or some shit like that
mircea_popescu: is this a notable problem ?
joecool: gribble nor fleanode are exactly reliable
mircea_popescu: i mean, suppose you do that. so ? people can just reup outside of your control, all you achieve is piss off the wot list.
mircea_popescu: which... why ?
mike_c: yeah, that would likely only happen once.
kakobrekla: ill see what i can do.
mircea_popescu: i like when he says that.
mircea_popescu: usually it ends up a little later with "here's the thing we were talking about, except i built it inside a submarine just in case. and here's some beer i brewed and by the way, do you know candi and brandi ? they're twins."
mircea_popescu: bwahaha irrogant. bashed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00063513 = 8.1297 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: alrighty, well, that was all for me today. hohoho an' merry xmas yo!
cazalla: !up austeritysucks
cazalla: meh, not auth'd, if someone else can up him in meantime
danielpbarron: !up bagels7
danielpbarron: !up austeritysucks
cazalla: austeritysucks, what's your csgo site?
austeritysucks: cazalla, i handle transactions through a subreddit and csgolounge
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/224VP52.txt )
cazalla: do good volume? butterfly knives seem ideal means to go from fiat -> steam -> butterfly knife -> rmt -> bitcoin
cazalla: then flip it to someone who wants the knife for bitcoin, making a small btc profit
austeritysucks: eh its okay, hard to get people to reject paypal and go with btc
austeritysucks: paypal is horrible for digital goods though so it's a natural fit, just hard to get the community to adopt it
cazalla: yeah, get scammers offering to buy weapons using paypal all the time
cazalla: bitcoin is such a good fit for this
austeritysucks: im working on a btc/csgokey exchange
austeritysucks: since keys are used as the fixed currency to trade
cazalla: by cheaters and smurfs perhaps
austeritysucks: its just that keys are used in the trade window, so they're the best "currency" to be used in trading higher value items
cazalla: ah soz, i was thinking cd keys not key keys
austeritysucks: to avoid 15% steamtax
cazalla: i think maybe you will see more of bitcoin in that as time goes on
austeritysucks: yea so my idea was instead of recreating the steam community market for bitcoin, just narrowing down to the keys would be simple to implement
austeritysucks: so people could buy keys for below store price in BTC and safely cash out their inventory to real cash by selling items for keys and selling keys on exchange
cazalla: dunno why uptake is so slow by gamers, i'd have killed for something like this back in everquest
austeritysucks: yea a charge-back free payment system is natural, but you see the typical excuses from people who refuse to adapt
austeritysucks: unfortunately credit cards all have chargeback, and until people can acquire bitcoins with creditcards at point of sale to remove the buyer from the "confusion" of the payment mechanism
austeritysucks: then there is this learning curve that nobody wants to climb
cazalla: give it time, it'll come i think
austeritysucks: there needs to be a reverse-bitpay :P
austeritysucks: but because of how credit cards work its really impossible to do it
austeritysucks: which is exactly how the monopolists want it
cazalla: i'm sure there are some kids who during bored summer holidays will figure out how to get bitcoin and buy/sell habbo items and shit like that
cazalla: so credit card issue isn't really a big one or steam monopoly etc
austeritysucks: no its the visa/mastercard monopoly
austeritysucks: a btc exchange for csgo keys is definitely doable
austeritysucks: but so many people will avoid using it because they can't acquire btc without bank transfer etc
cazalla: i don't follow, how does that bother me if i already have bitcoin and i want to buy/sell butterfly knives?
punkman: austeritysucks: https://www.payza.com/ this lets you receive CC payments and withdraw BTC, don't know anyone that uses them though
assbot: Payza | Send Money, Receive Payment, Money Transfer, Shop & Sell Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1CxBX02 )
cazalla: pretty easy to purchase small amount of btc now austeritysucks
austeritysucks: cazalla, the majority of people prefer paypal over bitcoin in the community unfortuantely, so the big issue is getting people to adopt bitcoin, i was suggesting that an easy way to promote adoption is to get people to be removed from the btc payment mechanism and have a userfirendl front end that is like using CC, but behind the scenes iti s buying BTC, transferring BTC (and maybe even
austeritysucks: BTC->fiat again for the seller)
punkman: yeah Circle works in a lot of countries
austeritysucks: cazalla, not with the way most people make such payments (cc)
austeritysucks: the minute there is any place that allows for simple cc buy of btc you will have lots of stolen cc's using the service to get btc
punkman: Circle is that place
cazalla: but that is not the buyer's problem
cazalla: i don't really give two shits if circle gets carded to death, i can buy with my own cc in the meantime
austeritysucks: punkman, is it a secret place? i google circle btc and get nothing
austeritysucks: oh nevermind i typo'd sorry
punkman: they are kinda retarded
assbot: Circle Internet Financial | Bitcoin Wallet, Bitcoin Payments, Bitcoin Insurance ... ( http://bit.ly/1CxCIXc )
punkman: sends me 3 SMS every time I login/buy/withdraw
punkman: l33t security
austeritysucks: well ill look into it
austeritysucks: but for now i want to get the steam bot C# code working and then the front-end listings/btc purchase php stuff
austeritysucks: because i think if at least the key:btc exchange works with 1 steam bot then it will be easy to expand nad once expanded people will adopt BTC for the purpose of being able to cahs out to real money so drama-free
cazalla: maybe think a little further down the road and think of people wanting to cash out items to bitcoin instead of cash
cazalla: because that's is where that market will move anyway
austeritysucks: but i try my best to encourage people, set them up a hotwallet, shoot them $1 in btc or something ,and get their lips wet
austeritysucks: cazalla, yes that is what the focus is
austeritysucks: cazalla, and theres already many options for ppl to go btc to cash, that's not my concern.
austeritysucks: my concern was people going cash to BTC
austeritysucks: to use the exchange at all
cazalla: well, as punkman said, circle.. refer your customers there to get btc instead of paypal
punkman: I'm thinking zpaq > gpg > rsync
danielpbarron: !up austeritysucks
austeritysucks: "At this time, bank accounts and credit cards from your country cannot be linked to Circle. Our apologies for the inconvenience. " :(
austeritysucks: coinbase however works in my country
cazalla: works here in australia too austeritysucks although a lot of people report otherwise
austeritysucks: cazalla, but yea i dont want to get horse in front of carriage i need to make this exchange system working better before i worry about expanding customers right
austeritysucks: cazalla, i've been using it to eliminate volatility in receiving btc payments
cazalla: i have things to do, nice talking austeritysucks
austeritysucks: so it has worked fine for me but i have yet to withdraw so i can't fully vouch
austeritysucks: ok have a good one cazalla you too
kakobrekla: punkman the less dependencies the better. (also saw this in bbet cli :)
punkman: this zpaq thing could almost fit in head
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kakobrekla: space is cheap anyway
punkman: https://attic-backup.org/ was also a contender, but I don't trust it
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punkman: space yes, bandwidth no
punkman: I usually have around 2mbit upload
kakobrekla: backup to two different offsite servers
punkman: can't backup big stuff offsite
kakobrekla: wait you want to backup your local stuff to some internet server ?
punkman: well yeah, not unencrypted
kakobrekla: why not locally?
punkman: why not both?
kakobrekla: because you have 2mbit upload.
kakobrekla: i also dont do it. cause if have half of your upload and a few tb of stuff.
punkman: yeah but with deduplication/incrementals it's gonna work
punkman: you can ship TB drives to datacenter, then do incrementals
kakobrekla: well, you can also bounce it off the moon on the way to dc.
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asciilifeform: cazalla: seems like just the kind of organized begging that site is famous for, no ?
asciilifeform: cazalla: or is this one turd somehow different
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00066712 = 1.1341 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Looks like the usual begging
cazalla: unless they give it to me, it's not going on qntra
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TomServo: !up paxtoncamaro91
TomServo: !up paxtoncamaro91
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BingoBoingo: !up SuperEddy
decimation: kakobrekla: bounce off the moon << yeah, radio hams do this, but the antenna farm required to make it work is quite large
decimation: reddit is kinda like a lesswrong for retards
decimation: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/citizenfour-producers-sued-edward-snowden-759839 << lol guy sues the snowden film producers on the theory that snowden 'stole' the property of the us taxpayer
assbot: 'Citizenfour' Producers Sued Over Edward Snowden Leaks (Exclusive) - The Hollywood Reporter ... ( http://bit.ly/1sWfJfV )
BingoBoingo: lol, I thought about newsing that up but... Does every rural person who files a lawsuit deserve their own story then?
SuperEddy: JESUS CAUSED 9 11
asciilifeform: if he wins.
SuperEddy: its not just calvinism but the bible says it
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure. Winning is news. Filing is What $20-$250 at the county courthouse?
SuperEddy: JESUS CAUSED 9 11 : AMOS 3:6
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: he has a good chance. just needs a few sympathetic apparatchik judges.
SuperEddy: NOW IS THE TIME TO REPENT AND HAVE MERCY IF YOU COULD ARRIVE IN GODS PRESENCE WITHOUT THE BLOOD COVERING YOU HE WOULD LITERRALLY ANITLAITE YOU, YOU WOULD SCREAM FOR HELL
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure. Then it becomes news along with the parties to the case.
SuperEddy: BingoBoingo, YO REPENT
danielpbarron: SuperEddy, you believe the entire Bible?
asciilifeform: JESUS ALSO CAUSED 13 15
BingoBoingo: SuperEddy: Repent what? I am my own God and already forgiven all of my transgressions.
BingoBoingo: Only a few hours until Krampus day arrives here.
decimation: BingoBoingo: the lawsuit is actually amusing, because it divides usg against itself
decimation: if usg supports the suit to annoy snowden, they tacitly admit that they are stewards of the taxpayer's property, and open themselves up to claims against malfeasance
BingoBoingo: decimation: If you can find an angle that makes the mere filing of a lawsuit interesting write it up for qntra and claim some shares. Otherwise I'm going to keep digging for more skidmarks on Preet's undies.
decimation: BingoBoingo: it's a fair point
asciilifeform: annoy snowden << annoys sony.
decimation: asciilifeform: actually that's not a very accurate picture
decimation: usg's 'hand' is a corpse at best
asciilifeform: and the whole greenwald/poitras/etc shitgnome gang
asciilifeform: aka the snowden censors.
BingoBoingo: decimation: I mean if you do produce something with your angle doesn't have to be a long piece. Just give it some bite.
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: For all I know Snowden was a plant for the purpose of stalling and disappearing aspiring "second" leaker
decimation: asciilifeform: microsoft produces shitware -> sony uses shitware -> 'best' korea abuses shitware -> usg gains 'writ' to more tax dollars
asciilifeform: 'best' korea << not even a necessary hypothesis
asciilifeform: in fact, discountable on account of mere mention by usg.
decimation: eh, I guess I'm not that cynical. I believe that any scrap of evidence that can be used to stir shit up will be used by usg to sell an agenda
BingoBoingo: Whatever truth there might have been to who attacked sony is gone. Too late now.
asciilifeform: decimation: only if it sells the right agenda.
decimation: BingoBoingo: well, certainly we (the public) will not see the evidence
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: let's say you want some idiot dead. you bring him a loaded pistol, and say 'here. please put in mouth, here's the trigger.' he does.
asciilifeform: is this 'an attack' ?
BingoBoingo: Stirring shit up with North Korea is a natural move for the United States, because it distracts from the United States surrendering to Cuba to end that battle of the cold war.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It can be.
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: it seems privatized groups are better at disappearing acts than the USG's agency.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: reading from only the official material, that is precisely the kind of 'attack' involved.
thestringpuller: I'm pretty sure there is some privatize black site that is superior to USG version.
asciilifeform: 'attacker' (via spammail or telephone) - 'can plz has password' sony clerk: 'aye, here'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In that case there hasn't ever been an "attack" in the history of the internet
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: occasionally actual exploit exists
decimation: asciilifeform: I agree with your hypothesis in that I think USG genuinely guides the computer industry into insecurity
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But how often can actual exploit be truly distinguished from McDonalds exploit fed to the consuminator?
decimation: imagine if the billions poured into 'cybersecurity' were spent on constructing an actual secure terminal from first principles
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: actual exploit in the sense that no cooperation is needed from the luser
decimation: that's the midget that the usg has squashed by sitting on the computer industry stool
decimation: the fbi claims it was an email attachment that dropped some scanners that guess passwords to smb shares
asciilifeform: decimation: this is about as thinkable to present-day academics - and turdware industrialist peddlers alike - as galois theory was to the romans
BingoBoingo: Aha. Luser must still cooperate with usine computer!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: notice how the term 'trojan' has mostly faded from Official claptrap re: 'seekoority'
decimation: asciilifeform: alpha + x modulo II^CCLVI
asciilifeform: because virtually all extant crapware falls in 'trojan' category.
decimation: asciilifeform: I think it's the case that there is (or was) some meta-usg lab that could conceive and develop secure terminal - perhaps already has
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I thought "trojan" was falling out of fashion because fashion is now to go cloud where it is given that Eve already has root.
asciilifeform: decimation: with own parallel universe, where neither 'microshit office' nor 'bash' nor 'openssl', nor any of the constituent parts, are in use ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Teletype (paper) display, commodore 64
asciilifeform: decimation: usg did have a few 'parallel universes' of computing. there is, afaik, still a lab or two that use symbolics boxes, for example
asciilifeform: decimation: but my sources believe they're under continuous bureaucratic siege to go 'standards compliant'
decimation: asciilifeform: it's possible that at least someone inside usg who was charged with developing secure computing actually got somewhere
asciilifeform: we're speaking of 'secure computing' as if it were an actual technology, like +ev fusion or whatnot
asciilifeform: whereas it mainly consists of not-doing-things
asciilifeform: !s lisp brick
assbot: 6 results for 'lisp brick' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=lisp+brick
asciilifeform: !s antifeature
assbot: 1 results for 'antifeature' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=antifeature
asciilifeform: the principal thing-not-to-do is complexity that prevents fits-in-head
asciilifeform: anything that does not conform to this principle, i argue is ipso facto not secure for any reasonable definition of the word.
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decimation: except that's probably the retard version
asciilifeform: the original obamaphone!
mod6: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 53 minutes and 57 seconds
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
decimation: asciilifeform: and of course, obama rejected it out of hand
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decimation: because it contained too many 'antifeatures'
BingoBoingo: I have to confess the new blackberry classic does tempt... But for extra antifeatures over flip phone is unappealing.
assbot: Hillary Clinton's Phone Intercepted by German intelligence Agency - Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1vlS4WX )
BingoBoingo: decimation: Nothing wrong with Nation State actors working to keep tabs on Nation State actors.
joecool: i like my Z10 tbh, only thing i'd improve is better battery life, i'm a bit concerned by some of the new "features" coming down in 10.3.x releases
decimation: one gets the picture that usg 'leaders' think of themselves as being above such trivialities as secure communications
BingoBoingo: joecool: When BBOS 7 seemed doomed I just went flipphone
joecool: oh see i hated BBOS7, i came from the harmattan/maemo background prior
joecool: tried a couple crapdroid landmines, universally disappointed
BingoBoingo: joecool: Ah, before I did BBOS 7 I was on Symbian whatever and then Android.
joecool: the whole style of UX on BB10 is very similar to the nokia n9's harmattan
joecool: otherwise i never would have considered blackberry, it's a shame they have a worthless marketing division
assbot: BBC News - Ukraine crisis: Transcript of leaked Nuland-Pyatt call ... ( http://bit.ly/1vlSXif )
decimation: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/07/ukraine-phonecall-idUSL2N0LC1E120140207 " Mark Weatherford, a former deputy under secretary for cybersecurity with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, said that some senior government officials were issued mobile handsets that are capable of encrypting conversations but typically do not use them "It is expensive. They are different phones. They are cumbersome," said Weatherford, now a
assbot: Leaked call on Ukraine made on unencrypted cellphones -U.S. officials| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1vlTmBs )
decimation: principal with the Chertoff Group, a Washington-based consulting firm led by former senior U.S. security and intelligence officials."
decimation: "GPG is too hard, no one will use it"
BingoBoingo: joecool: I don't have problems with big UX changes. I care more about what is happening and why. Unsolder the microphone and camera in old blackberry, works as a pager like god intended. Unsolder camera and microphone in shitty LG android phone doesn't work as pager or play angry birds!
asciilifeform: decimation: usg 'leaders' think of themselves as being above such trivialities as secure communications << of what concern is what a muppet says to another muppet ?
BingoBoingo: Microphoneless smart Pnohe is the way to Pnohe, because BB pager recieves calls, records a message. To return calls you battery up a flip phone.
asciilifeform: ukraine << so what. did even a single usg minion die from the intercepted phone ?
decimation: the original blackberry actually took over an older 'pager-like' frequency allocation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DataTAC
assbot: DataTAC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1vlUODH )
asciilifeform: all that resulted was a leak, of facts which anglo media will never print - so it's almost as good, from their point of view, as 'never happened'
decimation: asciilifeform: My point is that no one in the entire us media 'noticed' that the intercept (which was supposedly sophisticated) came from usg 'leaders' talking on unsecure lines
decimation: one wonders how many billions were spent to deploy the secure facilities that they fail to use
asciilifeform: because they (correctly!) believed that it simply does not matter.
asciilifeform: the secure facilities (actual ones, vs. ordinary 'favourite son' golden toilet contracts) are used. by the folks who matter.
decimation: as in, faceless meta-bureaucrats?
assbot: The Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity : Victoria Nuland's 'Ukraine-gate' Deceptions ... ( http://bit.ly/1vlV85s )
asciilifeform: wake me up when a 'minuteman' is pwned and sent off on an unsanctioned joyride.
decimation: asciilifeform: ah good point. you are saying the entire state dept. doesn't matter
BingoBoingo wonders if soon after releasing Cardano, S.NSA will release a Maldardano sample tampered Cardano for people to practice searching for turditions on.
decimation: actually usg would be much better off if it simply disbanded the department of state
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: fan of 'song of maldoror' ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Never heard it.
asciilifeform: !s maldoror
assbot: 0 results for 'maldoror' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=maldoror
BingoBoingo: I guess I'll have to dearch nao
asciilifeform: not essential.
asciilifeform: decimation: department of state << try this gedankenexperiment. what could they possibly leak, that would have a measurable effect - with or without the cooperation of the state-controlled media
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Effective leak would be that reptillians exist and are in panic because of impending Avian threat.
decimation: actually mr. assange already performed this experiment
asciilifeform: lol, 'effective' ?
decimation: the result was largely: bureaucrats who appear to be idiots in public also are in fact idiots in private
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, in the same way plot from "Watchmen" would be effective.
decimation: asciilifeform: wrt the state department, anything important being discussed with us 'trade partners' is discussed by private parties conducting the trade
BingoBoingo: It's interesting how in the US the title Secretary of State can alternately refer to the chief cocksucker at the Federal level and at the state level the chief Notarizing authority.
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