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adlai: asciilifeform: the purpose is crystal clear. for somebody out there, this channel and/or its pervading mentality represents something they are against, and they gave their best shot to hinder its growth
adlai: this is not surprising. this channel has strong ideologies and discusses them in hyperbolized monochrome, and absolute certainty polarizes absolutely.
adlai: for the record, i think that's a shame and a sin, and that y'all are a little silly for this - but that may be the guinness speaking, or jack, or johnny. who knows.
adlai xmas
assbot: Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1JT0izw )
adlai derp
cazalla: my sambuca says otherwise
adlai: now i'm in the weird position of being out of drugs, but the workday has just begun
adlai: that's a lie though, there is no shortage of caffeine
adlai: also my entire flat reeks of puke, and it's not even mine >_<
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ben_vulpes: adlai: "best shot" << unimpressive, if you ask me.
adlai: well, they found themselves at the three point line with nobody nearby, so they tried to make the best of the situation
adlai: then they got flying tackled by their own hubris, but that's nonamabusiness
adlai trying to code
adlai: pretty sure i glanced the peak for a sec there, but i'm rapidly descending. fuck.
adlai: !s ballmer peak
assbot: 0 results for 'ballmer peak' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ballmer+peak
adlai: weak
assbot: xkcd: Ballmer Peak ... ( http://bit.ly/1vvcv3G )
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adlai: these may have been the most important 15 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-) of the past like three months
ben_vulpes: what do they do?
adlai: until now, scalpl never actually considered profitability of placed offers against past execution. now it does.
adlai is still amazed that it was net-profitable without this little reflection
adlai: problem is that net-profitable over X months or Y volume is no guarantee of future performance, and not considering past execution is a little silly
ben_vulpes: you crazy quants
ben_vulpes: adlai: have you started hunting bots yet? or seen anyone hunting scalpl?
adlai: you could say that scalpl passively hunts any and every bot that uses market orders
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00063362 = 7.8569 BTC [+]
adlai doesn't know of anybody specific who's hunting scalpl, but knows of at least one person who said that open sourcing it is braindeadingly retarted and that it'll get hunted to death immediately.
adlai: this person is a "quant", ie former algotrader at JP Stanley Chase
ben_vulpes: Long Morgan Umpqua Management?
ben_vulpes: i think i know the guy
adlai: dunno
adlai: he has a startup now
ben_vulpes: it's like owning horses but 2014
adlai: one of the give-me-your-exchange-API-keys-and-i'll-make-you-money
adlai: so you could say he's a competitor!
ben_vulpes: pahwwhwat
adlai isn't asking for any keys though, just handing out code like it's a positive-sum game
ben_vulpes: i'm aware.
adlai: please, read my source and hunt me
adlai: *if you can
ben_vulpes: no thx, i've got other fishies to fry.
adlai: well damnit how am i supposed to get better
ben_vulpes: your cl is oddly object oriented
ben_vulpes: gave me the willies when first i looked at it
ben_vulpes: odds are better that i'm just a barbarian though
adlai: when was that? chances are those willies are nothing compared to what you'll get from https://github.com/adlai/scalpl/blob/master/actor.lisp
assbot: scalpl/actor.lisp at master · adlai/scalpl · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1xTlm5m )
adlai: this is the first baby step in my journey to reinvent parallel computer
adlai: s/er$/ing/
ben_vulpes: all i've read that you've written is scalpl
ben_vulpes: man it is *infuriating* how github urls can't be walked
adlai: this code isn't really used in scalpl yet, i'm kinda manually hacking together a shitty version of what this could eventually become
adlai: how so?
adlai: it may not want to be walked, but when did that ever stop a determined dogsitter?
adlai: ok traders. pls, xmas is over, i want some volume now. thx.
adlai wants to see his work shattered to bits by the invisible hand
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adlai: ;;ud havelock
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Havelock | Oct 11, 2014 ... Havelock. A small shit hole outside of the slightly larger shit hole called petitcodiac. It has a high level of inbreads. Guy 1: you live in Havelock!
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adlai: ;;ud inbread
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=inbread | A mispelling of the word "inbred". Yeah, I know, sad.
assbot: i got a chapstick that was on bargain but then I realize I don't have lips why did the freemarket betray me
ben_vulpes: adlai: just pissed about how https://github.com/adlai/scalpl/blob/master/ 404's
adlai: you could just clone the damn thing, make me feel better when i obsess over my traffic stats
adlai: :D
ben_vulpes: happy nao?
adlai: no, because github cache traffic stats
assbot: Logged on 26-12-2014 09:05:31; ben_vulpes: your cl is oddly object oriented
adlai: the Right Thing™ would be to use cl-json instead of st-, and schematize everything
punkman: god morgen
adlai: morning punkman
punkman: how goes the scalpeling adlai
adlai: well thank you, how goes the deeding? :P
punkman: not very well obviously :P
adlai: "ask not what your qntry can do for you, ask what you can do for your qntry"
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punkman: qntry is giving out free laptops/tablets and internet, so we can have more derps on reddit
adlai: qntry should give out free venture funding, so we can have more derps on mpex
punkman: was trying to turn off all energy savings and picture "enhancement" features on TV yesterday, found out it runs FreeBSD
punkman: too bad I can't ssh to it
adlai: y u hate the planet
jurov: <BingoBoingo> [20141226 04:56] cazalla: Well, Jurov dropped the link. << actually BingoBoingo pm'd me "act like you've discovered it" jkjk
jurov: punkman maybe it has easily accessible serial port?
punkman: jurov, I read Panasonic GPG signs firmware updates somewhere
punkman: nobody seems to have hacked one of these yet
jurov: wouldn't be beyond them to have exposed rs422 points somewhere, or at least a backdoor
punkman: I hooked up debian box, mostly worked, except for HD video, or subtitles of course
jurov: how so?
punkman: mplayer being retarded I guess
punkman: it might work if I start recompiling everything to cutting edge version
punkman: but I got other things to rage at
punkman: so in the bin it goes
punkman: even puny first-gen xbox with XBMC worked better than this
jurov: use vlc?
punkman: VLC = 150% CPU utilization and no video
punkman: there's an mplayer fork that's allegedly better http://mpv.io/
punkman: oh shit they rebranded XBMC, "Due to the potential for typo-bugs and breakage from Kodi renaming YOU ARE STRONGLY ADVISED TO MAKE A FULL BACKUP before performing a manual update and perform a “Reset System Settings to defaults (Soft Reset)” after the update."
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davout: punkman: does the deeds system actually work?
ben_vulpes: davout: seemed to at the time
punkman: yeah someone was cashing out the faucet
ben_vulpes: that was a stated goal though, correct?
davout: deeds.bitcoin-assets.com isn't very informative in this regard, but maybe it's just me being too lazy to actually figure out how to talk to punkbot
punkman: davout, no it's dead at the moment
davout: punkman: whaddaya mean?
davout: oh ok
ben_vulpes: well i'm going to try to sleep again
davout: i was thinking about it the other day, about how it might make sense to embed some variant of it in a smartphone photo app >> take a pic, boom proof of existence
ben_vulpes: not terrifically diddle-resistant tho
ben_vulpes: nor would one want keys on a phone.
davout: why would this require keys on the phone ?
punkman: ben_vulpes: you just send pic to some bot
davout: just sha256 it and send that to the bot
punkman: can do this with existing bot, if you compress it to 32kb or less
punkman: *compress pic
davout: the bot doesn't, and shouldn't, know about the actual data it is timestamping
davout: iirc that's absolutely not how the deeds system is implemented
punkman: it doesn't really care about contents
punkman: doesn't work without GPG of course
assbot: Logged on 01-12-2014 15:03:57; punkman: while we're on the topic, I want to make a service that fetches a URL, hashes contents, and then bundles and notarizes those. thoughts?
davout: what made you decide on requiring the contents to be gpg signed ?
punkman: davout, spec
davout: who decided, and why, that the contents should be gpg signed ?
davout: guess i didn't see the spec
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punkman: davout: who decided, and why, that the contents should be gpg signed ? << it was mp's spec. even if you don't want to tie messages to identity, need some kind of access control and WoT works well for that
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assbot: Reminder: Bitcoin Bowl Today | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1vgLsrQ )
assbot: bitcoin/bitcoinrpc.cpp at v0.5.3 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1JTuLxD )
Azelphur: why wouldn't it be? that's the JSONRPC interface, which is HTTP
ben_vulpes: on the other hand, why not code it right in...
ben_vulpes: perhaps stick it in share?
ben_vulpes shrugs
ben_vulpes: i don't know shit about shinola, though.
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assbot: Now Whitehall's crazy eco zealots want to ban your gas cooker, writes CHRISTOPHER BOOKER | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1xnOB0k )
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assbot: Fan Mail from Mr. Spam! - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1x7GmDP )
BingoBoingo: Yes. Call out comment point scores. 6 from 5 comments. Way to wound a man's ego.
punkman: lol!
assbot: Kim "Santa" Dotcom Stops Xbox and Playstation Attacks | TorrentFreak ... ( http://bit.ly/13JNJpt )
punkman: "“Thanks @KimDotcom for the vouchers–you’re the reason we stopped the attacks. @MegaPrivacy is an awesome service,” Lizard Squad tweeted, confirming the successful intervention."
assbot: Meet Mr. Bitcoin and Curly the dog, mascots of the Bitcoin Bowl or whatever - SBNation.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1x7HyHh )
assbot: Floorca comments on Satoshi Nakamoto Institute Launch Podcast (First episode linked: Appcoins and Bitcoin Maximalism from Daniel Krawisz and Michael Goldstein) ... ( http://bit.ly/13JQTcA )
BingoBoingo: "I keep seeing rabbits."
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adlai: http://massachusetts.obituaries.funeral.com/2014/12/24/alexander-h-petro-12212014-kingston-ma/ << dear future, pls don't end my obituary with "Sent from an iPad"
assbot: Alexander H. Petro 12/21/2014 Kingston, MA | Funeral.com - State of Massachusetts Obituaries ... ( http://bit.ly/13JTaof )
assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2TD0PAF.txt )
jurov: future will end the obituaries "Created by Facebook"
kakobrekla: and "4 likes" ?
assbot: ClubOrlov: Dead Souls ... ( http://bit.ly/13JTV0v )
assbot: George Carlin on dead people and computers - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/13JU2ZV )
adlai: ok, the orlov piece is good. i'll settle for equally obligatory.
adlai: the lines between faking dead social media profiles, faking a living person's profile (that they don't know of), and creating profiles for a person never even born - are quite fine.
adlai: ah, that's what the orlov post reminds me of! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Be_Right_Back_(Black_Mirror)
assbot: Be Right Back (Black Mirror) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/13JVgV9 )
assbot: White Christmas (Black Mirror) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/13JVsDP )
kakobrekla: is it stealable yet?
adlai: fuck me, ask google
adlai: (signs point to yes)
BingoBoingo: !up McNumpty
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adlai: humpty numpty sat on the wall. was he put or did he call?
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BingoBoingo: So the new North Korea movie. Not bad. Indicts the United States about as seriously as it indicts North Korea.
assbot: Governor For Reserve Bank Of India Talks Bitcoin: Is Worrisome, Security Issues | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1t6lJmb )
cazalla: BingoBoingo, i was going to watch that yesterday, settled on dumb and dumber to, fell asleep from the sambuca and up at 430am given i nodded off early
asciilifeform: 'For us as the Reserve Bank... ...we'll have to figure out how we make money because the way we generate most of our revenue is through forms of seigniorage, people are willing to hold currency free of interest and that's how we make money...'
asciilifeform: lol, mask fell off
BingoBoingo: Ah. It's basically Pineapple Express with less drugs and more scenes filmed in Asia.
cazalla: asciilifeform, he was having a laugh with the host while saying that
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: he threatened to call my mummy
ben_vulpes: lo, i do quake!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: indian central bank governor ?!
ben_vulpes: no, our beloved spamgun
ben_vulpes: interesting to watch the attack escalate.
asciilifeform: expect that he'll be with us for some time. see 'last psychiatrist' re: psychopaths with 'ego wounds'
asciilifeform: and naggum re: same.
asciilifeform: these people orbit the folks they've latched onto - sometimes - for years.
ben_vulpes: oh great.
asciilifeform: all the while spouting re: how 'they've moved on'
ben_vulpes: if only tiberius were still with us. now *that* was some trolling.
assbot: Re: Unwelcome mail from the stalkers - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1t6nRKL )
asciilifeform: in particular,
asciilifeform: 'it is _never_ politeness and courtesy these lunatics want. (If it were, they would simply prove the superiority of being polite and courteous.) They want _other_ people to be polite and courteous because _they_ do not want to feel humiliated or threatened, but who can tell what makes a deranged lunatic feel humiliated or threatened by just and proper criticism, especially by proxy as the worst of these outcasts do? These pe
asciilifeform: ople react extremely hostilely to any feeling that somebody else tells them what to do and are unable to cope with the helplessness and powerlessness they feel after being told what to do, but this is not anybody else can fix for them.'
assbot: Thomas Bushnell - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1t6oHHq )
asciilifeform: some folks i've introduced to herr naggum's writings turned their nose, mainly on account of these pieces
asciilifeform: 'why was he so xxxxx ?'
asciilifeform: it is because he dared to put psychopaths in their place. and so attracted at least half a dozen of these 'orbiters.'
asciilifeform: they did their best to destroy the little corner of the net where naggum dwelled.
asciilifeform: one might say that they 'won.' likely, naggum became wormfood that much sooner than otherwise could have.
asciilifeform: dan mocsny (discussed on a few occasions, another well-known usenet figure) also had orbiters.
asciilifeform: just the same as mr. spam, or naggum's stalkers, in that they would regularly insist that 'they're done with' him and the 'pit' he dwelled in - but seemed to structure their entire waking lives around frequenting his haunts and crapping out abuse
ben_vulpes: difference this time around seems to be that this orbiter is now terrified for his business propositions in the shartupsphere.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: how ?
ben_vulpes: well his *name* you see
ben_vulpes: it is now tarred by association with #bitcoin-assets
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: scammers have been switching names since at least babylon.
asciilifeform: let him get with the game.
asciilifeform: folks have become 'bitcoin ceo' etc. after loud and public criminal convictions for embezzlement
ben_vulpes: that's not "ycombinator ceo" though
asciilifeform: if anything, we've helped mr. spam's fiat credentials.
asciilifeform: 'despised by terrorists!'
assbot: 3000 Tor relays in an hour, all called LizardNSA[0-9]+Interesting.
asciilifeform: not even mine.
punkman: same guys Kim Dotcom paid off with Mega vouchers
assbot: To clarify, we are no longer attacking PSN or Xbox. We are testing our new Tor 0day.
assbot: Our ddos was possible thanks to rooted undersea routers used on transatlantic cables.
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assbot: Re: What obstacles do Common Lisp programmers face? - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1t6tjgG )
ben_vulpes: a philosophical question
ben_vulpes: what does it mean to bitcoinate?
ben_vulpes: - download and verify a blockchain
ben_vulpes: - keep up to date with the main chain
ben_vulpes: - create and sign raw transactions
assbot: Jean-Francois Brouillet - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1wOTbmq )
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: interested in your take on my question
ben_vulpes: *i'm* interested..
asciilifeform: wai wat
asciilifeform: which question
ben_vulpes: what does "bitcoinating" entail?
asciilifeform: i'd say - entails being usable for any application pertaining to bitcoin whatsoever.
asciilifeform: including ones that involve arbitrary walks of blockchain data.
asciilifeform: or crafting of perverse (but relayable) transactions
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: arbitrary walks of blockchain data << i think that i disagree here.
asciilifeform: yes, this means that the traditional bitcoind does not entirely 'bitcoinate.'
ben_vulpes: i'm currently of the opinion that providing a tube through which to suck the blockchain is accetable.
ben_vulpes: querying of arbitrary bitcoin data is beyond bitcoind's remit imho.
asciilifeform: at the very least, one must be able to determine 'balance' of an arbitrary address.
ben_vulpes: open to discussion on the topic!
asciilifeform: or it is unusable for a large number of extremely ordinary things.
ben_vulpes: why is balance enough in that situation? what can you do with balance that you don't in reality need the specific unspent outputs for?
asciilifeform: customary workarounds like importing a private key and then 'losing' it are idiotic.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: consider the usual apparatus that wants to know that 'it's been paid' without holding any secrets whatsoever.
ben_vulpes: so watch incoming blocks.
ben_vulpes: one can know an arbitrary address has been paid an amount trivially that way.
asciilifeform: what if 'incoming' happens every four days, when the satellite drifts overhead ?
asciilifeform: classical bitcoind behaves very poorly if the assumption of always-on high speed net connection is violated.
asciilifeform: what if 'incoming' happens every six months, when the mail ships sail in ?
ben_vulpes: then you know the last received block and ideally you have all of the blocks since then and can walk them.
asciilifeform: or when there's a gap in the usg shortwave jammers
ben_vulpes: that's why i'm suggesting that data analysis be not a part of bitcoin.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: well in theory, yes. but go and try this exercise with traditional bitcoind.
asciilifeform: analysis not part, sure.
asciilifeform: but all of the necessary 'hooks' should be there.
ben_vulpes: i've used it to watch incoming blocks, but not suffering 6 month discontinuities.
asciilifeform: without having to open up the abdomen, insert them, and re-suture in the future.
ben_vulpes: what actually happens?
cazalla: well, that didn't take long.. bitcoinfoundation.org has redesigned their website yet again
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: well, in one case (~2? years, not six months) - hard-wedge.
ben_vulpes: ah, surely.
cazalla: looks like they removed the black kid photostock images too, such racists
ben_vulpes: that though is not a function of intermittently walking the recent blocks. function of braindamaged "db" implementation.
cazalla: they've also reattributed what were patrick murck's articles to one jinyoung
ben_vulpes: i'm circling around the notion that all bitcoin should do on the topic is vomit forth blocks on command, referenced by height. perhaps transactions, but i'm not even convinced about that.
asciilifeform: vomit forth blocks on command << let's rephrase.
asciilifeform: say it's 1970 and you just bought a tv set.
asciilifeform: if it asks you to set the vertical and horizontal scan frequencies manually, independently...
asciilifeform: every time you use it.
asciilifeform: is it a proper tv ?
asciilifeform: an oscilloscope, maybe. but not tb.
asciilifeform: blocks get parsed.
asciilifeform: in other words, everything that is a 'timeless' part of bitcoin - i.e. cannot ever change or hardfork - must be a working part of the client.
asciilifeform: because, by definition, there will be no variation in it.
asciilifeform: so there it must sit.
ben_vulpes: i'm not arguing against parsing the blocks. it must verify the chain on download and be able to regurgitate the data on command. i suppose that i'm being too dense to grasp your meaning.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: when you said 'vomit forth blocks' - sorta implied that one must delve into the protocol docs to make use of said vomit.
ben_vulpes: ah, forgive me. i mean "blocks" as in relatively easily handled block data. for example, the json that's returned from getblock.
asciilifeform: then sure.
assbot: MIPS Creator CI20: The Raspberry Pi competitor that isn’t | ExtremeTech ... ( http://bit.ly/1wOYORL )
asciilifeform: 'what exactly is the point' << the point is that it isn't an 'arm.' and isn't a closed turd.
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[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Billion dollar bet?" http://bitbet.us/bet/1047/ Odds: 12(Y):88(N) by coin, 16(Y):84(N) by weight. Total bet: 17.32065114 BTC. Current weight: 39,912.
assbot: Logged on 25-12-2014 03:52:10; asciilifeform: every day i wonder why the 'arm' architecture so thoroughly beat 'mips' (closest competitor in the 'risc' world) in the markets
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decimation: lol re: mr. spam's email << me thinks the lady doth protest too much
decimation: so Mr. Graham just shat a retarded essay >> http://paulgraham.com/95.html
assbot: Let the Other 95% of Great Programmers In ... ( http://bit.ly/1wP4ISS )
decimation: "But this whole discussion has taken something for granted: that if we let more great programmers into the US, they'll want to come. That's true now, and we don't realize how lucky we are that it is. ... And if we don't, the US could be seriously fucked."
decimation thinks that time horizon has already been reached
decimation: thought experiment: what if tomorrow infinite immigration between the US and say Europe was allowed? What percentage of "exceptional programmers" would leave their current lives to go work for some hobo in Silly-con valley?
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decimation: asciilifeform: your 'offline' blockchain scenario is interesting. thought experiment: what if there was a new cold war and the Internet cleanly split in two halves?
decimation: which half of the blockchain is now 'valid'? the one that is longest?
decimation: if a harddrive were sent across the iron curtain, how would the transactions on the other side be reconciled?
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10399 @ 0.00061653 = 6.4113 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1090 @ 0.00119 = 1.2971 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16783 @ 0.00064909 = 10.8937 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: decimation: the planet is also split in half? and the halves end up in two separate universes ?
asciilifeform: decimation: that cannot communicate by radio, homing pigeon, or narco-couriers with scrolls up their arses ?
asciilifeform: paul graham << what the everliving fuck is a 'great programmer' anyway
asciilifeform: and when do we let the great, e.g., bootblacks in ?
asciilifeform: street sweepers ?
asciilifeform: paul graham << sahib says 'moar coolies pleez'
Apocalyptic: <asciilifeform> paul graham << what the everliving fuck is a 'great programmer' anyway // he gave some interesting property of such a creature, but no definition alas
asciilifeform: 'I asked the CEO of a startup with about 70 programmers how many more he'd hire if he could get all the great programmers he wanted. He said "We'd hire 30 tomorrow morning."'
asciilifeform: ^ what definition of 'great programmer' portrays a creature you can even think of 'hire 30 tomorrow morning' of ?
asciilifeform: imagine wanting to hire 30 'great mathematicians' tomorrow morning.
Apocalyptic: to quote "A great programmer will invent things an ordinary programmer would never even think of."
Apocalyptic: note the dubious claim that a programmer nowadays will invent stuff
asciilifeform: anyone wanting to hire 30 inventors needs his head checked
asciilifeform: hire for what
asciilifeform: and why would they want to work for you
undata: laying brick in some marketing related startup
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, do you define inventor as someone who has invented something before ?
asciilifeform: presumably
asciilifeform: or otherwise 'can you play violin? don't know, i've never tried yet'
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asciilifeform: unless mr. 'i want to hire 30 great programmers tomorrow morning' wasn't writing from a psychiatric hospital, the parsimonious hypothesis is that he meant something other than inventors when said 'great programmers.'
asciilifeform: i don't think it is a mystery, to anyone even remotely connected with the sordid business, what it was that he meant.
asciilifeform: what he meant was human compilers.
asciilifeform: obedient, diligent coolies.
Apocalyptic: he meant people that will presumably invent something worthy for the company
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: you don't need 30 of those. no existing company is equipped to fully utilize the output of 3, much less 30.
asciilifeform: actual inventors, that is.
Apocalyptic: should have been "invent" by the way
Apocalyptic: no argument on that
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11253 @ 0.00065913 = 7.4172 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14902 @ 0.00064805 = 9.6572 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00063289 = 5.5694 BTC [-]
decimation: asciilifeform: all the 'ceo' will accomplish hiring 30 'actual inventors' will be to produce 30 disgrunted ex-employees
decimation: asciilifeform: thinking about my scenario earlier (two halves of the world), the real issue is that transactions need to be communicated as well as the blockchain
decimation: http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/5859/what-are-orphaned-and-stale-blocks/5869#5869 << using this guy's terminology, the shorter chain suddenly becomes extinct
assbot: What are orphaned and stale blocks? - Bitcoin Stack Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1xWatQ5 )
decimation: I assume all of the transactions in the extinct chain are swept into new blocks from that point forward?
decimation: http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/a/13989 << according to this guy, the answer is 'yes', they are kept around in the mempools of the running clients - but this seems just a little bit shakey...
assbot: blockchain - What happens when you send a transaction that ends up in an orphaned block. Is it recoverable? - Bitcoin Stack Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1H3gThT )
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asciilifeform: decimation: old thread re: 'cold war bitcoin' >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2014#461620
assbot: Logged on 27-01-2014 05:25:17; asciilifeform: there is, for instance, a legend of an occasion where it was necessary to move several $mil in dollars out of the ussr
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7055 @ 0.0006202 = 4.3755 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32000 @ 0.0006202 = 19.8464 BTC [+]
decimation: asciilifeform: of course, bitcoin would be how this would be accomplished today (assuming sufficient anonymization of transactions)
thestringpuller: ;;later tell cazalla has pete visited you yet? lol
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26600 @ 0.00062613 = 16.6551 BTC [+] {2}
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