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dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-08 20:27:46 punkman: ah "asset" in shitcoin jargon then. that's fine, punkman understands appeal of being degenerate gambler
cdd: I'm not one of those robinhood weenies who can't take their eyes off the charts for 45 minutes. I look it it ~1 once a week, if I don't forget.
cdd: s/it/at/
cdd: I wouldn't not say I've taken a gamble, but I'm not putting anything else into it and I'm certainly not basing my future on where it goes.
cdd: Though if you find fault in my thinking, correct me. I do not wish to fall prey to arrogance like the fool.
cdd: asciilifeform: Been reading this article on your historic gentoo distfiles. I was reading some of the comments, specifically the reply to an "anonymous" user. I think I get what you mean now.
punkman: cdd, in my thinking, gambling on scam/ponzi/game-with-very-bad-odds = degenerate, gambling on blackjack = more wholesome. but you are right, it's also a matter of how much money one is putting in and how obsessed one is
cdd: punkman: I've put in a little over $700 AUD. Which (thinking about it) is too much. I did so over a period of about 3 months.
cdd: I intended to sit on it for a few years.
cdd: It's the only cryptocurrency I've put hard-earned cash into, mistake?
cdd: Erm. That could be interpreted wrong; It's the only cryptocurrency I've put anything into.
punkman: if it entertains you, who's to say it's a mistake
cdd: Well, couldn't that value be stored in bitcoin instead?
punkman: would be prudent to have investment budget higher than gambling allowance
punkman: ponzinomics from a different angle: https://hyiplogs.com/ - 27,760 items in database - 355 still paying
cdd holds back puke
cdd: point made.
billymg: thimbronion: i'm having trouble connecting to blatta this morning, i'm getting Error(464) in my IRC client
billymg: can you see if my bot is connected? it would've reconnected this morning also
thimbronion: billymg: your bot is connected
billymg: thimbronion: weird! i saw your test message on my terminal here too
billymg: and just saw shinohai's message, which the logger picked up: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2021-11-09#1000067
billymg: but i can't speak (from my irc client) in #pest
shinohai: ah werd
shinohai: I was gonna reply to PeterL 's message and noticed logger didn
thimbronion: billymg: hrm - maybe a port issue?
shinohai: 't catch it
billymg: thimbronion: this is how i start blatta: `./blatta --port 61474 --password ****`
shinohai: billymg: you dont run with `--port=61474` ?
shinohai has no idea about password flag, hasn't used ....
thimbronion: billymg: I have likewise not used the password flag
billymg: was working yesterday, lemme try without pass
thimbronion: billymg: just sent you a pest dm
billymg: thimbronion: sent you one too, don't see yours
asciilifeform: billymg: are you behind nat like asciilifeform was ?
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-08 12:18:00 asciilifeform: thimbronion: it's behind a nat (with 13337 inbound routed correctly to inside)
asciilifeform: incidentally, thimbronion et al, i had the thought that if 'rubbish' packet is sent at last 1/s to ea. peer, the 'ephemeral' port will remain open.
asciilifeform: this may be the simplest solution to nat.
asciilifeform: (esp. since sending rubbish was already part of spec, as an option)
asciilifeform: *at least 1/s
thimbronion: asciilifeform: no objection. Can customize interval for your own nat's random settings.
asciilifeform: afaik 1/s is sufficient errywhere. but prolly oughta test empirically.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: imho best way to implement rubbish is a 'synchronous mode', where sends e.g. n msg/s to ea. peer, and if there's a payload, it 'catches the bus'
thimbronion: asciilifeform: what exactly is being synchronized?
asciilifeform: thimbronion: the outgoing 'transmitter' synced with the 'n msg/s' mechanism
asciilifeform: i.e. the frequency of packet emission is unrelated to the frequency of actual payload transmission
thimbronion: seems more like in this case there's an asynchronous background thread checking for messages in the message queue and sending rubbish if there's nothing there.
asciilifeform: prolly >1 equiv. way to implement this
asciilifeform: not having yet studied thimbronion's prototype, cannot say which is simplest necessarily
thimbronion: I'm just using asynchronous to denote the relationship between the user submission of a message and the actual transmission of the message.
thimbronion: synchronous to me would imply that a submitted message is sent immediately
asciilifeform: yea ideally wouldn't be 'immediately'
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-09#1064266 << imho aint nuffin wrong w/ gambling, so long as you realize that's what you're doing; and if you aint luring others to get cleaned out
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-09 03:22:30 punkman: cdd, in my thinking, gambling on scam/ponzi/game-with-very-bad-odds = degenerate, gambling on blackjack = more wholesome. but you are right, it's also a matter of how much money one is putting in and how obsessed one is
asciilifeform: ( observe that even 'very successful' ponzi artists generally don't end well -- ponzi himself, mavrodi, even mp, i'm not aware of even one who 'lived happily ever after' )
signpost: deranging one's model of reality by lying has unavoidable cost.
asciilifeform: observe that it wasn't because the victims ate'em.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-08 20:10:06 punkman: "SafeMoon multiplied rapidly in value after a wave of celebrity endorsements,[10] including from rapper Lil' Yachty, YouTuber Logan Paul, and sports blogger Dave Portnoy."
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-08#1064203 << even worse, is arguably like trying to study art of salesmanship by reading nigerian 419 spamola.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-08 19:50:15 punkman: sort of like having a decent understanding of calculus, without understanding basic algebra
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-08#1064250 << generally it is precisely the folx who think 'i can outsmart the con man' who lose their shirts, historically.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-08 20:25:52 cdd: It's an asset up until it's not. That's when I make exit and watch the ponzi collapse. Because I'm a longer-term holder I've been gaining reflections as the market moves. When it finally does it's huge pump I will have made more than the +10% gain needed for an exit.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-10 20:39:04 asciilifeform: there was an interesting talk (linked iirc by mats!) maybe in '14 ? about how scammers in traditional settings (i.e. 'numbers games' in back alleys) relied on this sin, where folx believe 'yes, is scam, but i can outsmart the scammer'
asciilifeform: they're the ones who end up pawning their house etc. to get their 'sure win'
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-09#1064265 << i dare say that thrd quite exhaustively covered 'anonymism'
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-09 03:13:39 cdd: asciilifeform: Been reading this article on your historic gentoo distfiles. I was reading some of the comments, specifically the reply to an "anonymous" user. I think I get what you mean now.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-09#1064267 << understand that the worst thing that happens in case like this aint that you lose , but that you ~win~, and get impression that shitcoinism is 'promising' and worth of serious time/dough
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-09 03:23:58 cdd: punkman: I've put in a little over $700 AUD. Which (thinking about it) is too much. I did so over a period of about 3 months.
asciilifeform: you won't win enuff to buy the proverbial whore island retirement. but quite likely to win enuff to turn into habitual 'investor' in 'assets' and get over9000x stupider. time-tested pattern.
asciilifeform: $ticker btc usd
busybot: Current BTC price in USD: $66759.18
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 17 nodes...
watchglass: 185.85.38.54:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 84.16.46.130:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.030s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=708945
watchglass: 185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 213.109.238.156:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.082s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=708945
watchglass: 54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.052s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=708943
watchglass: 205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.141s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=708945
watchglass: 205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.145s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=708945 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.151s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=708945 (Operator: whaack)
watchglass: 71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.137s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=708945 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.225s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=708945
watchglass: 54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.264s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=708945
watchglass: 143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.245s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=708945
watchglass: 103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.586s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=708945
watchglass: 176.9.59.199:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length! (Operator: jurov)
asciilifeform: ^ at this rate loox like we are gonna need a new trb www, sadly
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-03 13:31:04 asciilifeform: upstack, trb org dns still points to devnull
watchglass: 192.151.158.26:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
asciilifeform: the 1 in the default trb hellostring is kaput ( jurov ?!! )
asciilifeform: 3wks+ nao.
shinohai: Entirety of tbf seems lost at sea aside from asciilifeform
asciilifeform: shinohai: jurov's box ( as well as the 1 w/ the src viewer, provided by asciilifeform pro bono) still up. but whoknows for how long.
asciilifeform: for nao i rec to link to asciilifeform's mirror until we get a proper replacement up.
shinohai: If jurov resurfaces and there is general consensus, am happy to do whatever to keep tbf www alive.
shinohai even thought of running trb pest station/guest chan
asciilifeform: shinohai: imho 1 obv. desirable future pestism is a way to tunnel trb via same
shinohai: Since my efforts with fleanode failed because of their insistence on ssl.
asciilifeform: shinohai: we have many headaches, but fleanode aint one, anymoar, lol
shinohai: I'm really liking pest/blatta .... and have plenty of time to dedicate to debugging - so any tuned in that want to peer or test, feel free to DM me gpgram with keyz
asciilifeform: shinohai: see whether you can sew in the rubbish sender. would be quite helpful imho
shinohai: Was just talking about that on testnet, trying to figure out a way to populate the nicklist so active users show up.
shinohai: (It's a bit maddening to not know who is online)
asciilifeform: shinohai: prolly the cleanest way to do it is to consider all peers from whom received a packet in past 10min 'online', others -- not
asciilifeform: ( this naturally only makes sense if we have a min. freq. for rubbish msg )
asciilifeform: ( alternatively, once we have 'getdata' , station can simply send getdata's and who responds, is 'online' )
asciilifeform: a good short-term kludge imho would be to consider all peers in wot 'online' so that irc client will at least give tab-completion, the current behaviour is quite frustrating
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-09#1064356 << ftr i wrote to jurov. 0 answr. (maybe someone has a newer contact for him?)
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-09 11:36:49 shinohai: Entirety of tbf seems lost at sea aside from asciilifeform
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-03 13:51:54 asciilifeform: text of msg ftr.
asciilifeform: shinohai: cgra has been doing a++ trb work, possibly would like to be involved.
asciilifeform: imho the troo mission of tbf should not be to merely keep the ancient cpp turd on life support,
asciilifeform: ... but to make the proper replacement.
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-10-01 15:00:29 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: there's not a thing that'd rise to the level of 'plan'. asciilifeform in particular wrote 3 things: 'nqb', a largely-complete coder/decoder for the formats used in trb; ffa, with which possible to perform the cryptonumerics; and 'cryostat', to implement a o(1) db .
asciilifeform: as asciilifeform advocated for 6+y nao.
asciilifeform: the cpp turd is a blackhole that could absorb a nearly infinite qty of manpower and still remain a turd.
asciilifeform: the quality approaches mswin-level (and that's only speaking of the trb src per se, not even to mention the idjit deps -- boost, bdb, openssl horror )
PeterL: shinohai: got your message
punkman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-09#1064372 << I think this is best, so you can click on any user in WoT and attempt to send direct message
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-09 11:50:20 asciilifeform: a good short-term kludge imho would be to consider all peers in wot 'online' so that irc client will at least give tab-completion, the current behaviour is quite frustrating
PeterL: heh, tried to add your handle again and it looks like it crashed the program
PeterL: ^ message to shinohai
shinohai: PeterL: were you running with debug flag? Any output?
PeterL: sqlite3.IntegrityError: UNIQUE constraint failed: handles.handle << I think this was because I tried to add the same handle twice
PeterL: I have to go for now, but I will try to get it going again later
asciilifeform: (hm that bot only on pestnet nao?)
asciilifeform: scratch that, apparently at some pt a packet actually made it outta 13337, hm.
asciilifeform wonders how.
asciilifeform: aaapparently the default ephemeral range (by rfc6056 ? tho iirc it only covers tcp normally...?) is 1024–65535 . so could be by pure chance.
thimbronion: asciilifeform: the earliest record in shinohai's at probably is from when he manually added your ip:port - may hever have received a packet from that port
cgra: billymg: ty for the pest logger, wouldn't wanna miss much pest tech talk before possibly joining the fun myself too.
cgra: asciilifeform: did your test trb box, by any chance, keep a historical ram usage record? if did, how much was the peak in last 45mins or so?
billymg: asciilifeform: yes, currently only on pest net. i guess i should run another process to have it in here for echoing pest lines
asciilifeform: cgra: unfortunately i don't have such a record on either atm. eyeball shows ~1.5G ea. currently.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: that would make sense.
cgra: asciilifeform: ok
bitbot: (pest) 2021-11-09 shinohai: yes in "wot" single entry
asciilifeform: oh hey neato
billymg: for now i'll just keep an eye on it and restart when those db timeouts occur
asciilifeform: ty billymg
asciilifeform: thimbronion: i may have already said this, but the timestamps in 'wot' should only update when a valid packet is ~received~ ftr.
asciilifeform aiming to get a chance to actually look at the coad in coming days
billymg: cgra: np, glad it can be of some use to you
asciilifeform: afaik we've the world's 1st proper p2p chat !
asciilifeform: even if at 'spreading works!' level atm
thimbronion: asciilifeform: yes you mentioned that yes. But shouldn't something be shown in an at listing for address that hasn't yet received any packets?
asciilifeform: blank, ideally
thimbronion: blank timestamp?
asciilifeform: thimbronion: this of course for display purpose only. (if station only has 1 at entry for a peer, and you're transmitting dm to him (or broadcast) , oughta use that entry, even if nothing yet received from it. otherwise you have '2 trains waiting'.)
dulapbot: (trilema) 2015-12-24 asciilifeform: 'if two trains meet one another on a track, neither shall move until the other has passed.' (supposedly from a 1880s american state law)
thimbronion: asciilifeform: indeed other than displaying a timestamp with an unclear meaning, this is the current behavior
thimbronion: someone's gotta send the first message
asciilifeform: (ideally oughta send a rubbish -- or getdata -- as soon as added an at entry. that way can immediately see whether 'someone is home')
jurov: asciilifeform: access to rk http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=irwy
jurov: completely lost any interest, sorry
jurov: and your bot was pinging me every day, so eventually started ignoring that
asciilifeform: ohai jurov
asciilifeform: jurov: can i persuade you to pick a successor & move the tbf www and the piggy to him ?
jurov: lol i have no idea about any possible successor
jurov: anyone wants to apply?
asciilifeform: jurov: i'll do it if no one else wants.
asciilifeform: jurov: i was about to set up a fresh www from my mirrored copy anyway ( didn't expect jurov to visit )
asciilifeform: jurov: btw there's a good bit of trb work going on, e.g. billymg made a planetary noad crawler, whaack made a block explorer, cgra is digging for 0days
asciilifeform: jurov: and thimbronion implemented asciilifeform's 'pest' p2p net , asciilifeform aims to e.g. pipe trb comms over same eventually
asciilifeform: plenty of funstuff going on. i dun insist that jurov take an interest in same, necessarily, but would like to make an orderly continuation of tbf.
shinohai: ^ agreed
asciilifeform would prefer not to also be the 1 to sit on the piggy, nominates signpost for this job, if the latter agrees, jurov plz give to him. but if not, asciilifeform.
asciilifeform: signpost aka trinque btw.
asciilifeform: hosting will be supplied pro bono by asciilifeform (and possibly mirrors by e.g. shinohai , iirc he has an unofficial one going already)
asciilifeform: billymg BingoBoingo cgra dpb mats shinohai signpost thimbronion whaack ( afaik all trb users/experimenters presently tuned in ) 'please speak nao or 4evah hold your peace'
cdd: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-09#1064328 << For that very reason I'm making my "exit" if you can call it that ASAP. Taking my losses as a blessing, thank you punkman, asciilifeform.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-09 11:16:22 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-09#1064267 << understand that the worst thing that happens in case like this aint that you lose , but that you ~win~, and get impression that shitcoinism is 'promising' and worth of serious time/dough
signpost: nah, would rather not hold these coins.
asciilifeform: ok, asciilifeform will fall on this grenade, if jurov agrees
jurov: which one? the piggy?
asciilifeform: (the other grenades asciilifeform already prev. agreed to fall on)
jurov: okay
asciilifeform: jurov: do you have your wot pgpkey ?
jurov: yes
asciilifeform: jurov: as said in the pgpgram, would like to pick up therealbitcoin.org dnsism also, if there's a way to do it
asciilifeform: ( i've e.g. a 'namecheap' acct. where various other dnsisms operated by asciilifeform live )
asciilifeform: ty jurov
asciilifeform: jurov: worx, let's do both of these
asciilifeform: jurov: lemme know what if anyffin you need from my end for no.2
dpb: what's in need of my attention?
mats: whats the point of taking the treasury if you're not going to use it to pay bills
asciilifeform: mats: if tbf comes to have bills, will use it.
mats: hosting?
asciilifeform: mats: most obviously
asciilifeform: mats: it aint good imho that 90% of the noades live in asciilifeform's rack atm.
cdd: Huh, so that's why you guys don't like [btc.info.gf/blog/mircea-popescu-or-how-to-spread-500-words-of-liquishit-and-say-nothing.html][mircea popescu].
dpb: ah, yeah go ahead and give it to asciilifeform, i guess. keep him from starving
asciilifeform: dpb: i have no intention of eating it, lol
asciilifeform: dpb: in fact very much hoping to eventually persuade another participant to live with it ( mats, shinohai , dpb ? )
shinohai: asciilifeform: will discuss in a bit, must be mobile a few but did obtain login for www from jurov
dpb: if you are about to pick one of them, then pick me instead
asciilifeform: until then i'ma do the old jurov thing, issue quarterly reports, etc
mats: lol
asciilifeform: dpb: would like to take care of the www 1st, is most pressing issue imho
shinohai: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-09#1064469 <<< Engaged in sme light trolling, nothing really says "I dislike".
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-09 16:09:56 cdd: Huh, so that's why you guys don't like [btc.info.gf/blog/mircea-popescu-or-how-to-spread-500-words-of-liquishit-and-say-nothing.html][mircea popescu].
mats: i'm not really a neutral party
asciilifeform: mats: that's the magick, we don't really have 'neutral party', we had jurov but he's retiring
mats: would prefer to see tbf dissolved, its funds distributed to coinbr creditors, and then contribute to a new treasury
dpb: maybe i can buy another rockchip sub and put it there
asciilifeform: mats: i recall
cdd: shinohai: Reading between the lines. How else can you interpret it?
dpb: uh yeah no that plan by mats gets a hard no from me
dpb: i would sooner have the money go all to asciilifeform for him to retire from the mines
mats: this is the first mention i made of it
dpb: who even are you?
cdd: Excuse my ignorance, but who is jurov? And what 'neutral party'?
dpb: last i recall, you were not on speaking terms with the republic
asciilifeform: cdd: jurov is the (retiring) treasurer of tbf.
mats: the treasury is possibly one of several reasons why coinbr is in default
dpb: the two things have nothing to do with each other
cdd: Oh ok.
asciilifeform: mats: y'mean jurov's prevention of mp's attempted theft of the treasury ?
dpb: i am of the opinion mp didn't do wrong when it comes to bitcoin things
mats: most of that money was mp's to begin with, along with thenewdeal
dpb: i don't trust the people who claim he did wrong
asciilifeform: mats: it stopped being mp's when he donated it.
asciilifeform: dpb: you oughta negrate asciilifeform , in that case, and refrain from using his services
asciilifeform: anyways the fate of the old piggy is 100% up to jurov .
dpb: you claim he took from you? what?
dpb: you two had a philisophical falling out, i thought
jurov: mats thinks i should cover his coinbr balances which mp took
asciilifeform: danke schon, jurov
asciilifeform: jurov: lemme know what you need to throw the domain
asciilifeform: mats, dpb , et al : asciilifeform doesn't want to eat the coin, nor ftr would it make a substantial diff. to his position if he did, and iirc explained in painful detail why, is why volunteered for this job. and as soon as one of the tuned in folx who i can rely on not to eat it, agrees, will ask him to sit on the grenade in my place.
mats: the lack of eating isn't really the problem though
mats: it is this monstrous sum today because there's never been a plan to spend it on trb expenses
mats: i'm not proposing the alternative is to give it to me, either
asciilifeform: mats: the only trb expense currently foreseen is some additional noad hosting.
mats: what's the big idea, it gets passed from hand to fist until someone gets hit by a bus?
asciilifeform: there's imho a dire need of serious boxes.
asciilifeform: mats: until pianos and anvils fall on us all, how else
jurov: mats you had enough time to actually join tbf and propose uses for the "monstrous sum"
mats: correct
asciilifeform: btw if mats or anyone else has concrete ideas re 'uses' i'm all ears.
dpb: i withdraw all comments, i don't care what is done, it's none of my business
asciilifeform: ( for values of 'uses' that aint 'hey i'd like to buy 9000 sandwiches' lol )
asciilifeform: dpb: i pinged you because you were at various times involved w/ trb work. apologies if you didn't want to be pinged.
jurov: asciilifeform see dm. there are are 3 domains therealbitcoin.com/org and thebitcoin.foundation, do you want all three or let some expire
asciilifeform: mats: 'not using' has its advantages -- picture, if we go long enuff w/out drowning or flattened by piano, at some pt we can buy a planetoid and all live on same. incl. jurov if he can put up with our company.
asciilifeform: jurov: all 3 plz
mats: and how is a planetoid tbf business?
asciilifeform: mats: the 1nm fab on the planetoid will be the tbf biz, lol
asciilifeform: point is, there's no mad hurry
mats: seems to me tbf failed, and isn't justifying its continuation
asciilifeform: mats: i disagree.
mats: it doesn't have the political power to direct changes in bitcoin
mats: a new cast of the power rangers has taproot
asciilifeform: mats: i can't speak for you, but my trb noades work a++ to this day. and so does billymg's crawler. etc
billymg: re: uses for piggy, i'd very much like to have 'signrawtransactionwithkey' in trb, as well as the ability to add "watch only" addresses. the addition of these two features would make it useful as an online/offline solution
asciilifeform: i dun give half a fuck about 'taproot' etc. and never will.
billymg: if piggy could be tapped for "feature bounty"
asciilifeform: billymg: indeed would be useful.
billymg: perhaps cgra would want to earn some of the coin
asciilifeform amenable to feature bounties etc
asciilifeform: the #1 missing feature, however, imho is the big one.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-09 12:03:21 asciilifeform: ... but to make the proper replacement.
asciilifeform: i'd be willing to disburse 100% of the piggy for bounties if it gave us ^ .
asciilifeform: the main problem there is shortage of good hands.
asciilifeform: in keeping with elementary decency, asciilifeform can obv. no longer nominate ~self~ for bounties.
PeterL: perhaps tbf could have a multiperson bounty commity that could approve dispersals, including to asciilifeform?
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-09#1064539 << or perhaps whaack too, since he's done some recent digging in there
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-09 16:39:45 billymg: perhaps cgra would want to earn some of the coin
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-09#1064532 << whole point of trb as i see it is not to direct change but to ensure the thing *doesn't* change
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-09 16:38:44 mats: it doesn't have the political power to direct changes in bitcoin
billymg: while the power rangers wank with "move fast and break things"
asciilifeform: correct.
asciilifeform: hence why per asciilifeform , tbf succeeded to date beyond anyone's ability to imagine.
asciilifeform: trb still worx!!! motherfuckers.
asciilifeform: and at some pt we'll have an ada trb, without bugs, slowdowns, GB of liquishit deps.
asciilifeform: and if tonight asciilifeform is flattened by a piano, it'll still happen. because it is the Right Thing.
asciilifeform: exactly like e.g. pest happened, and largely w/out direct involvement of asciilifeform .
asciilifeform: that's the diff. b/w mp-style egomaniacal sand castles and the Right Thing.
thimbronion: How much exactly is in tbf coffer??
asciilifeform: thimbronion: see prev.thrd
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-10-31 22:51:20 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-10-31#1062555 << fwiw it hasn't moved anywhere.
thimbronion: Oh ok. More than I remembered.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: the other 2 items are 2 dnsism, we're in the process of moving'em
asciilifeform: jurov agreed to keep the www box going for a spell, but i'ma relieve him of this burden asap, on next trip to the dc cage will set up a new one.
asciilifeform: thimbronion et al : i'm thinking of setting up a shamir split for the piggy, but it'll have to be later, lotsa more pressing work atm.
asciilifeform notices that we dun have an existing proggy for this, lol
thimbronion: trilema.com redirecting to https://www.bisecthosting.com/hostedby.php for me
asciilifeform: thimbronion: odd, loads here
asciilifeform: no spam redirect as far as i can see
asciilifeform: betcha it's paid up for 1000yrs
thimbronion: hrm. loads on my ipnoe
asciilifeform: upstack : jurov moved to asciilifeform therealbitcoin.com, therealbitcoin.org, thebitcoin.foundation dnsisms. ty again jurov .
thimbronion: ah ok: I had hardcoded the ip to 91.218.246.33
thimbronion: I guess new host?
asciilifeform: lol loox like somebody moved it to a cheaper (vps) graveyard
asciilifeform: (historically mp had the thing in moscow, on formidable pipe)
asciilifeform: pretty lulzy imho.
asciilifeform: i'd'vethunk srsly it was paid up until sun burns out.
asciilifeform: Хмельницкая область.
asciilifeform: grade-a, loox like, spamhosting, eats btc, etc
asciilifeform: mebbe i'ma put a noad there.
asciilifeform: the shop does appear to offer actual irons. tho no mention of colo.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-09#1064546 << i'd very much like to get folx to commit to participate publicly. min. qualification is 'people running a trb noad', you know who you are.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-09 16:45:05 PeterL: perhaps tbf could have a multiperson bounty commity that could approve dispersals, including to asciilifeform?
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-09 18:16:31 asciilifeform: thimbronion et al : i'm thinking of setting up a shamir split for the piggy, but it'll have to be later, lotsa more pressing work atm.
dpb: i maintain a node
asciilifeform: dpb: is it in the wg roster ?
dpb: i don't think so
asciilifeform not in any particular hurry, expects that folx srsly interested will stand up
asciilifeform: dpb: let's add it?
asciilifeform had nfi that dpb had one
asciilifeform: !w probe 75.106.222.93 8333
watchglass: 75.106.222.93:8333 : Alive: (0.464s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=708993
asciilifeform will add
dpb: it is often "down" as cron restarts it every 7 or 8 minutes
asciilifeform: lol why so often??
dpb: when i set to every 30 minutes, it fell behind
dpb: it is hosted on satelite internet
asciilifeform: interesting experiment tho
asciilifeform wouldn't dream of running a noad on a dish
dpb: it works fine
asciilifeform: 'semispace garbage collection' lol
asciilifeform: iirc a # of folx admitted to doing the cron trick
asciilifeform restarts his 1-2x/yr, and the most recent time was simply because offered nodes to cgra for target practice
asciilifeform: dpb: btw is this still your famous pogo noad?
dpb: no
asciilifeform would've been at least a little surprised
verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-08#1064176 We use very different bestiality forums then, asciilifeform.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-08 17:33:04 asciilifeform: if yer passion in life is, dunno, zoophile forums, you still want continuity if you want something like actual social life in functioning relations with fellow zoophiles
verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-08#1064174 I disagree with the thinking of there being no value here.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-08 17:31:17 asciilifeform: i.e. literally no one knows whether message n+1 is by same person as n and n-1
verisimilitude: There's a place for both. Many of my messages are anonymous like this, and other times I'm here, with this name.
verisimilitude: Unfortunately, they do devolve into garbage, without humans lording over them.
cdd: how about don't visit zoophile forums, gross
cdd: Having a conscience and a moral compass might help.
cdd: There are a plethora of reasons one might want to stay anonymous besides evil pr0n and scamming. Wanna end up like China? Wait til you've got government issues PGP keys and biometric hashing.
cdd: In the name of generating a "digital identity".
cdd: Is this what you want?
cdd: Sure you don't have martyrdom, but if a tree falls in a forest and nobody is around to hear it, did it ever happen?
asciilifeform: cdd: i half-expected your link would be to auschwitz number tattoos.
asciilifeform: cdd: i'ma assume yer labouring under a misconception, rather than delib. disingenuous. what does a voluntarily-genned pgp key 'by consenting adult' (which ftr need not contain any info re yer meatspace identity, simply rsa pub and a nick you like to be called by) have to do with masterkeyed ssl lulcerts issued by the reich ?
asciilifeform: also gotta laff at the suggestion that simply being in the wot is an act of courage, of martyrdom. that's quite a lot of martyrs lol
asciilifeform: 'you wouldn't want to get a buzz cut and wear a cap, they made auschwitz inmates do it' -- logical??
cdd: asciilifeform: Being in the WoT and having a consistent identity doesn't necessarily tie it to my meatspace identity. I don't see a problem with registering for WoT (in fact I will now if it helps). I don't think that being on the WoT makes you a martyr lmao, I'm not sure how you got to that conclusion. Perhaps a miscommunication of the definition of "anonymity".
asciilifeform: cdd: your earlier comment suggested a phobia (and a not uncommon one among noobs) of whole concept of pubkey
cdd: Erm, I have nothing wrong with pubkey? I have a problem with government issued PGP keys. It means that a 3rd party (a la government) has your private key.
cdd: Which is fucked.
asciilifeform: cdd: this is entirely correct, which is why no one in his right mind uses such keys other than at gunpoint lol
asciilifeform: cdd: when doing 'consenting adult' biz, you'll naturally generate key on own iron, and keep the priv, well, private
cdd: Of course. Assuming you can trust the iron. I really like the FG board.
asciilifeform: cdd: do you have one ?
cdd: Allows you to mitigate some of those issues.
cdd: No, I'd like to since I saw it.
asciilifeform: cdd: iirc dpb still have some, contact him and get a quote.
cdd: I'll set up a WoT key first and contact him with that.
asciilifeform: so cdd already understands, then , that keys can be swapped, simply sign new one with old and ask signpost nicely when it's time.
asciilifeform: ( presently signpost maintains an apparatus with a canonical directory of pubs )
asciilifeform: in future, this will be a decentralized item.
cdd: pest
cdd: I've been reading up on logs and blogs.
asciilifeform: atm there is deedbot .
cdd: Yeah, I've known about deedbot since before I even joined here.
asciilifeform: cdd: outta curiosity, from where ?
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-07 00:08:41 cdd: verisimilitude (sort of) I don't remember exactly It was about a year ago I came across loper-os
asciilifeform: so, from asciilifeform's www? aite
cdd: I've read a few more of your blog articles. Very good.
asciilifeform: cdd: don't hesitate to comment
cdd: asciilifeform: also, why do you refer to yourself in the 3rd person might I ask?
asciilifeform: cdd: old habit
cdd: I noticed you've had comments from fairly interesting people, notably fare and Terry Davis.
asciilifeform: cdd: on ye olde usenet this was commonplace, in massive quoteblocks not otherwise easy to tell who is speaking
cdd: I wasn't alive for usenet. Fairly new to meatspace.
asciilifeform: cdd: there was a number of 'interesting' folx, incl. alan kay (tho we haven't any idea whether 'shakespeare or another man by same name' in the case of any of them, they didn't pgp-sign, lol)
cdd: hah, shame that.
deedbot: 9AE49057D9F0AD7011E3B64FCB7A19D404E79375 registered as cdd.
cdd: 9AE49057D9F0AD7011E3B64FCB7A19D404E79375 fingerprint checks out
cdd: asciilifeform: ta-da!
signpost: congrats cdd
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