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dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-19 16:04:04 asciilifeform: i also specifically like the idea of a non-numbertheoretical basis for the signatures -- will make it considerably easier to implement in fpga for baking dedicated (hardware) line-rate prefilters.
punkman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-21#1059019 << I read some of these "dissident right" folks on twitter, sometimes entertaining. "Every time we tried to expel the parasites in our society..." as if they aren't imagining the same socialism they live under.
punkman: "This is hardly BAPtist" << they really love Bronze Age Pervert, who turns out is american academic that pretends to write English like someone from Balkans
punkman: megalol "What does supercharging the Bible look like? Is it simply a process of decuckification, or is it something more specific, which can potentially unlock the latent crusader energy calcified in the West’s foundational tome? "
punkman: "Once someone finds me a Bible that isn’t fake/gay and is a reasonably accurate translation, I want to do a close reading of it" << maybe he should learn greek
punkman: hobo-optimization, yes, so much preferable than having job "Once I realized that being homeless was preferable to working a dead end jobs, I resolved to find the easiest place to be a hobo and to be the best hobo I could be."
punkman: https://twitter.com/wu_wenyuan/status/1440470971245162509 Harmful research practices: Objectivity and Rigor
punkman: "4.2.2. Receiving a Direct Message. If Speaker is not in H, the console will display the Speaker, followed by the entirety of H (in parentheses), followed by the Text: bob (shalmaneser): hello"
punkman: why do we want direct messages from bob to be coming from shalmaneser?
punkman: "Let H be the set of all handles found in the station's WOT for the peer who was found to have sent the packet; e.g. {shalmaneser, ShalmaneserTheGreat}."
punkman: does this mean having multiple handles for single peer? if yes, why?
asciilifeform: punkman: both of these is so that it is possible for a peer to change handles (from the one under which you initially added him to your wot)
asciilifeform: exactly as was always possible on irc. simply here requires special handling, otherwise everyone is perma-stuck with one handle, to individually ask every peer at the same time to change (and during said switchover, for messages to be lost) is impractical
asciilifeform: so yes it is possible for shalmaneser to direct-message you as 'bob' -- console will simply indicate that he's using an alt handle
asciilifeform: and likewise it is necessary to permit multiple handles for one peer key, for this reason.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-22 01:04:03 verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-19#1058661 Elaborate.
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-05-10 22:51:01 asciilifeform: ( i couldn't find fpga that'd hold a 4096b barrel shifter for any amt of money )
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-01-20 20:03:12 asciilifeform: mike_c: the 'holy grail' still would be an iron which can 4096bit rsa 'at line rate' (1G/s) , but this is as i understand impossible w/out baking silicon.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-22#1059089 << rather lulzy to read 'they milk us, cows' from fella who, chances are, neither produced any such 'exportable milk' at any point nor met anyone who does
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-22 03:54:35 punkman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-21#1059019 << I read some of these "dissident right" folks on twitter, sometimes entertaining. "Every time we tried to expel the parasites in our society..." as if they aren't imagining the same socialism they live under.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-22#1059091 << the 2-3 times asciilifeform tried to read 'bap', bored to death and garbagecollected. but given how vigorously he's pushed, can only assume is a tame zhirinovskian dissent-pet of the reich
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-22 03:59:13 punkman: "This is hardly BAPtist" << they really love Bronze Age Pervert, who turns out is american academic that pretends to write English like someone from Balkans
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-22#1059092 << ftr last century's wankers stood a head taller, the scandinavian gods imho over9000x less repulsive than the 'faggot halfling god on a stick'(tm)(r)(uncle al schwartz)
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-22 04:16:00 punkman: megalol "What does supercharging the Bible look like? Is it simply a process of decuckification, or is it something more specific, which can potentially unlock the latent crusader energy calcified in the West’s foundational tome? "
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-22#1059094 << asciilifeform doesn't eat lsd, and so does not often experience 'synaesthesia', but almost seemed to ~smell~ the hobo from reading that piece, it was astonishing
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-22 04:21:10 punkman: hobo-optimization, yes, so much preferable than having job "Once I realized that being homeless was preferable to working a dead end jobs, I resolved to find the easiest place to be a hobo and to be the best hobo I could be."
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-22 05:51:02 punkman: https://twitter.com/wu_wenyuan/status/1440470971245162509 Harmful research practices: Objectivity and Rigor
asciilifeform: is interesting, these folx can't even come up with new trolololz a la 'privileged speed of light'
asciilifeform: $ticker btc usd
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billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-21#1059027 << i found it to be a delightfully schizo, wandering rant. i also enjoyed reading Bronze Age Mindset so perhaps i just like the stream of consciousness style
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-21 21:28:43 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-21#1059019 << epic cocktail of facts, fantasies, outright schizo night meth rantage, 'goring the cape instead of matador' ('they took our trump', 'islam') , a++
asciilifeform: billymg: was a++ entertaining.
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-22#1059089 << idk, he also explicitly states: "Any restoration that is centralized and can’t be appropriated for decentralization isn’t a restoration, it’s just nourishing and reinforcing a system that is wounded and bleeding out so it can feed on us better the next time they seize power again."
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-22 03:54:35 punkman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-21#1059019 << I read some of these "dissident right" folks on twitter, sometimes entertaining. "Every time we tried to expel the parasites in our society..." as if they aren't imagining the same socialism they live under.
asciilifeform: imho a rather complete showcase of why fungi ate their magaworld.
billymg: so seems to understand that longterm any solution must be decentralized in nature so that parasites have less host surface area to grow in
billymg: i also thought the "larp as a tranny" opening was pretty funny and look forward to reading articles about court cases of individuals who tried this
asciilifeform: i recall a fella who wanted to build a gigantic orbiting magnifying glass and incinerate his enemies. he had a more actionable, moar realistic, and certainly moar interesting to contemplate 'plan' than the 'right dissent' folx, imho.
asciilifeform: billymg: re 'larp' -- is interesting how the hobo is thoroughly unable (and rather typical of 'anglotards' in this) to 'distinguish the matador and the cape'
asciilifeform: almost as if he thinks there's a fat pension waiting for him if only 'registered tranny' or whatnot
billymg: asciilifeform: ah, i interpreted more as a slow play. first plausibly become tranny, then acquire sinecure, then while there torment the bugmen, maybe get a few of them fired
billymg: only for those committed and nothing else to do
billymg: with* nothing else to do
asciilifeform: billymg: i'ma also admit to a skepticism that, when he says e.g. 'decentralized', has any idea what the word means, rather than 'suggestively-named lisp token'(tm)(r)
asciilifeform: billymg: unless i misread, d00d actually thinks there's a usg sinecure waiting for erry Officially Sad who simply fills out the proper form.
asciilifeform: and, hilariously, the converse; lessee:
asciilifeform: 'Currently the job market is such that you can’t get a corporate job, get promoted, avoid firing, or get a raise as a cisgender heterosexual White man. You can however get all of these goodies if you change your gender, maybe adopt a new name and try the latest “80’s Goth or Taliban?” fashions in eyeliner.'
asciilifeform: didjaknow.
billymg: asciilifeform: yeah, afaics recruiters still hitting up cis hetero white men
billymg: asciilifeform: but i didn't interpret his strategy to mean simply where dress and then collect gibs, but rather, "you're gonna have to go deep undercover" (i.e. real work will be involved -- must actually secure job, etc.)
billymg: asciilifeform: i can say from first hand experience that those further down the "weird scale" are much harder to fire
asciilifeform: billymg: they also typically live on secretute wage but i suppose for hobo this is step ~up~
billymg: and because of this they can, once in the organization, get by with less competence/effort than the cis hetero counterparts
asciilifeform: billymg: damn near errybody, starting with mp, insisted to asciilifeform that this hell-world exists. and perhaps somewhere it does, but i've not personally roasted in it, tho have rotted in many other kinds
billymg: d'oh, s/where dress/wear dress/ in above
asciilifeform: may be a west-usa thing, nfi
billymg: asciilifeform: it's in the faceberg/google type campuses
asciilifeform: here in east usa we more typically have ossified bureaucracies (both officially and unofficially usgtronic, and still run entirely by 'white man' despite whatever lulzpretense) and even occasional micro-indias where the staff even replicated the old caste system without skipping a beat.
billymg: asciilifeform: it's also the actually competent (typically men, typically white, jewish, asian, and sometimes indian) that keep the trains running in the "silicon valley" orgs (both east and west coast)
asciilifeform: billymg: i find it mind-boggling that the people who 'ohnoez, purple-trans-disabled secretute gets by without competence!' say exactly 0 against the yale grad ceo and his board of lunch eaters who also 'get by' similarly but with over9000x budget
asciilifeform: (and actually run the shop into the ground, unlike the secretutes who decide nuffin)
billymg: but they also seem to have sufficient slack budget for hiring the various weirdos as, idk, political statment?
asciilifeform: billymg: y'know how fungi grow on aids patients.
billymg: i've seen some suggest that this creates larger moat for the google-sized companies. they can afford to have 100 people who don't do anything but tweet about diversity all day, but if 5 man startup makes one bad hire it can be the death of them
billymg: asciilifeform: re: the yale parasites, agree, they're parasites just the same
asciilifeform: billymg: the other thing no one seems to discuss, is that 'as above, so below' : the 'startups' have equally little to do with anything 1800s civilized man would have considered 'production' as google and microshit
asciilifeform: no one needs the js soup.
asciilifeform: google's search is as 'needed' as dr.goebbels's broadcasts.
asciilifeform: ditto the 'startup' imitators of the same crud.
billymg: asciilifeform: no argument there
billymg: also re: parasites at top and bottom of org, if the plan is to subvert and do damage (or at least drain resources), much easier to larp as a tranny than larp as yacht club yale graduate
billymg: i think what BAP and this guy are going for is a way to mobilize the "normies" against the enemy
billymg: a way for even the retards to be able to say "i'm doing my part", and have it actually be effective
billymg: because after all, this is 100% what the regime does, mobilizes the normies
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-22#1059154 << the reason why the "decentralized" branding matters is not for asciilifeform or others who are able to evaluate whether something is truly decentralized or not or to what degree, it's so that this group has an easy to remember/repeat mantra of "decentralized good, centralized bad"
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-22 10:59:56 asciilifeform: billymg: i'ma also admit to a skepticism that, when he says e.g. 'decentralized', has any idea what the word means, rather than 'suggestively-named lisp token'(tm)(r)
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-11 23:45:16 billymg: asciilifeform: there is a large group on twitter that is downright religious about "must store own btc priv keys or else you're a cuck"
billymg: again which is about mobilizing and directing the herd
punkman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-22#1059151 << becoming "plausible tranny", they can tell if you are doing it for the lulz, and if they can't , you are actually a tranny
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-22 10:58:56 billymg: asciilifeform: ah, i interpreted more as a slow play. first plausibly become tranny, then acquire sinecure, then while there torment the bugmen, maybe get a few of them fired
punkman: "They just think I'm a tranny, my authentic self is CHRISTIAN CRUSADER WARRIOR OF THE STEPPE"
punkman: they derp about aesthetics all the time, then come out with such "ideas", "yeah start antifa chapter" "become tranny", "live like hobo"
punkman: a lot of them are really pissy if you say anything bad about US, "yes we have problems, but AMERICA IS NUMBAR ONE!!!"
punkman: oh yeah that guy moved to thailand? he's a traitor and a perver sex tourist, why would you leave the US???
billymg: punkman: i don't think there's a 100% aligned morality on the right re: sex. some larp as no-sex-till-marriage trads, others, like this guy, say go spread your seed in the brown qts
billymg: i also think perhaps you're underestimating just how many NEETs there are with nothing else to do and who hate the regime enough that they'd be willing method act as a tranny if it means doing some damage
billymg: again, this stuff isn't for the folx working on pest and trb, it's for the would-be soldiers among the masses
punkman: my argument is that "pretending to be a tranny" and "subterfuge from within" will never work for any "masses". very few could pull off, if at all. there is no "strategy" in this. you know what works? being the "colonizer".
punkman: whole lot simpler
billymg: punkman: what means being the colonizer in this case?
punkman: he has a bit in there "maybe we could take their women and make harem and have them pay for our kids", that'd be some colonizing
billymg: ah, yup
punkman: or you go to Thailand, fuck the brown qts over there
billymg: punkman: right, also good
billymg: punkman: what i think i liked about it was how just how much he was throwing at the wall, he even describes the strategy as a meta strategy, just do anything and everything to see what works
punkman: yeah such "strategy", this throw shit at the wall
billymg: it's what the left has been doing (the lower rungs)
billymg: "hey let's try gays" "that's not doing it anymore, how about blacks?" "not quite enough, how about tranny-black-lesbians overdosing on drugs?"
billymg: it's what they themselves term "intersectionality"
billymg: or "one struggle"
punkman: the sad thing is that some folks over here are trying to do their own "dissident right", and they are copying everything from their US counterparts, much like the local "left/woke". We barely have any trannies, they will latch on to anything in the news to make their points.
punkman: and if lack of local news, they will just talk about US news instead. "look at black crime rate in USA, maybe same happens here"
punkman: "they murdered george floyd!"
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-22#1059206 << just to clarify, i think it's a terrible strategy when you have limited resources, however, i think this *can* be a good strategy when you have ~infinite resources (the mass of normies). it's not about how to allocate punkman's time, but the NEET masses not doing anything else
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-22 12:29:47 punkman: yeah such "strategy", this throw shit at the wall
billymg: "The ECB has run simulations on more than 1,600 eurozone banks to find out how they would cope with the consequences of climate change" "It found that the probability of default on bank loans would increase by 7% over the next 30 years in a 'hot house scenario' in which nothing is done to limit climate change." LOL
billymg: itsallsotiresome.jpg
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-22#1059196 << in '90s, as the last remnants of 'maga country' were being offshored into sad meth-cum-morphinist obsolescence, there was a similar 'nothing else to do, hate the regime, join 'militia''. i.e. usg honeypots, filled the fbi-showtrial-supermax pipeline a++.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-22 12:20:00 billymg: i also think perhaps you're underestimating just how many NEETs there are with nothing else to do and who hate the regime enough that they'd be willing method act as a tranny if it means doing some damage
asciilifeform: was domestic application of 'controlled chaos' lizard doctrine that worked a++ in afganistan, syria, etc. -- 'obsolete' young men, 'nothing to do', join mujahedeen/isis/$usg-muppet-org-of-the-day, put on shaheed belt, explode where instructed to by handler-provocateur.
asciilifeform: sheeple scared shitless, compliant.
asciilifeform: at absolutely no point does the notion of killing the actual culprits behind the 'obsolescence' occur to them. why -- remains mystery.
asciilifeform: ( i suppose not such 'mystery' after all, given how gullible meathead 'gores the cape' -- 'grr those purple-hair trannnies' etc -- artfully avoids matador )
asciilifeform: interesting how utterly unthinkable the ~correct~ solution (rm -rf the rotten elite) is to 100% of these 'right'-flavoured folx.
asciilifeform: take the spandrell idiocy linked from the hobo piece, where :
shinohai: asciilifeform: You forgot the `--no-preserve-root` flag.
asciilifeform: anyway, the one where e.g. 'What did Lenin do? Exterminate the natural aristocracy of Russia ... Everybody but intelligent, conservative Russians of good families... ' etc
asciilifeform: almost hard to hear him over the sound of the feudal-fellatio
asciilifeform: mouth so full of cock, of... corpses, killed by own intractable stupidity
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-22#1059182 << their offered concept of 'the enemy' i find has exactly 0 to do with reality. 100% cape/bait.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-22 11:23:55 billymg: i think what BAP and this guy are going for is a way to mobilize the "normies" against the enemy
asciilifeform: given as the ~actual~ enemy are the very same 'good families' whose supposed dethronement they lament and under whose supposedly-enlightened rule their grandfathers' lives supposedly didn't suck.
asciilifeform: ( tip for these folx : yer grandfather got 8hr workday, a house w/ 10 acres that cost 3y of his pay as a mechanic, and the latest tech -- which actually progressed -- because ~the lizards were still afraid~ of him. because he made it back from the front and killing was not sumthing exotic to him. )
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-22#1059223 << well, 1) if it does occur to someone to do this, they wouldn't mention it online as that would be "fedposting" and 2) you make it sound like these culprits are just hanging out at starbucks all day rather than their guarded fortresses
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-22 13:17:59 asciilifeform: at absolutely no point does the notion of killing the actual culprits behind the 'obsolescence' occur to them. why -- remains mystery.
billymg: there is no "walk up to culprit", they live and travel within guarded bubble
billymg: bubbles*
billymg: and lastly, i don't see how "hey kid, wanna google soros' home address?" is any less of a honeypot than "hey kid, wanna join a militia?"
punkman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-22#1059221 << arguably didn't work well for stated purpose, taliban won, assad still standing
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-22 13:16:22 asciilifeform: was domestic application of 'controlled chaos' lizard doctrine that worked a++ in afganistan, syria, etc. -- 'obsolete' young men, 'nothing to do', join mujahedeen/isis/$usg-muppet-org-of-the-day, put on shaheed belt, explode where instructed to by handler-provocateur.
punkman: worked a++ for Lockheed though
asciilifeform: punkman: stated purpose naturally a laff. the underlying purpose however is not simply to feed lockheed, but to prevent formation of genuine resistance to reich
asciilifeform: let instead orcs fight over planeloads of cia-'abandoned' benjies and roll one another with similarly-'abandoned' tanks -- a++
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-22#1059238 << long before anyone will succeed in drawing a bead on hitler -- gotta kill 'policeman in your head'. for instance, to spit out the 'anticommunist' programming and understand that rent and usury are thefts
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-22 14:32:31 billymg: there is no "walk up to culprit", they live and travel within guarded bubble
asciilifeform: to spit out the 'how will we maga so we can pay our mortgages' to 'how to put an end to mortgagism' etc
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-26 16:15:43 asciilifeform: this is why asciilifeform unable historically to muster much sympathy for 'iraq veteran, his bonus retro-withdrawn, evicted' -- motherfuckers, you could have, should have, shot 1) your officers 2) your landlord 3) anything with a harvard diploma -- half century ago. but no, gotta faithful-dog instead.
asciilifeform: at the very least stop borrowing money. it aint an arrestable offense yet, even in the heart of the reich.
asciilifeform: can stop respecting 'ivy grads', buying their 'books', listening to 'experts'. this also not yet arrestable, and costs 0.
asciilifeform: stop buying plasticars that cost what ferrari cost in 1990.
asciilifeform: all of this entirely doable, and does not require to eat bullets from 1st ss panzer leibstandarte soros.
asciilifeform: the other thing that's entirely 0cost, is to stop quaking in fear of imaginary monsters played by (cheap!) unemployed sad sacks. e.g. 'trannies' and the other demons from linked piece.
asciilifeform: desk flyers can stop working for sv corps any time they like. the fat pay is imaginary after subtracting rents, but -- i have nfi what drugs they take for this -- none of'em notice
asciilifeform: stop contributing to faux 'political parties'. could go on, but why.
asciilifeform: looong list of 0cost (and often enuff -- obviously profitable) 'stops' available.
punkman: stop listening to 'experts'. this also not yet arrestable << arrestable now
asciilifeform: punkman: hm?
asciilifeform: ( see also thread, incidentally )
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-13 14:00:23 asciilifeform: classic production of the ministry of 'you, idjit plebes, will wank to death about $constructed_fake_issue while we brrrr with moneyprinter and give it to ourselves!'
asciilifeform: textbook reich sleight of hand misdirection -- 'ohnoez, vaccine side effects' but somehow not ohnoez that 1) 1e11+$ directly into coffers of pfizer et al 2) that was printed freshly for the purpose, as well as for similar 'bailouts' 3) then immediately dropped into realestate pump for planned mass impoverishment
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-13 14:35:50 asciilifeform: why, for instance, 'real estate up 2x' ? was there a ww2? destroyed 50% of houses in usa? no. was there mass migration, suddenly 2x as many people bidding? also no. which leaves #3 -- doubled monetary mass.
asciilifeform: but somehow it's about ohnoez-sideffects.
asciilifeform: ( which no one would dare to avoid, apparently, by, say, forging the handwritten scrap of paper that comes with the thing. cuz That Would Be Wrong? or wat )
asciilifeform: the very same tards who to a man had high quality fake driver's license at 19yo so as to drink (in usa 'must 21')
asciilifeform: aaand somehow one is not supposed to notice that 'antivax' fucktards looong pre-date the covidiocy...
dulapbot: (trilema) 2016-01-09 asciilifeform: phun phakt: the 'antivax' hippie folk won in usa west coast. where there are now pandemics of crippling nasties (rubella, etc) last seen in 1940s
dulapbot: (trilema) 2019-01-16 asciilifeform: trinque: even in BingoBoingostan , asciilifeform had a hell of a time drinking from 'the mumps cup' to the terrified faces of onlookers
asciilifeform: that the wankage was engineered for'em, also is a 'terrorist' thing to notice.
asciilifeform: matador's cape.
asciilifeform: speaking of which, whatever happened to '5g mind control rays' ?
asciilifeform: weren't these supposed to push updates to the win10 professional edition the vaccine installs in yer hippocampus??
asciilifeform: why no one burns towers anymoar for yr+ nao?!
asciilifeform: couldn't be that the crankbait nonsense turned off like a fucking light as soon as off switch flipped ?
dulapbot: (trilema) 2016-11-22 asciilifeform: aka crankbait.
punkman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-22#1059266 << can only get vaccine in hospital/vaxx-center here, and it goes into gov database connected to app
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-22 15:57:46 asciilifeform: ( which no one would dare to avoid, apparently, by, say, forging the handwritten scrap of paper that comes with the thing. cuz That Would Be Wrong? or wat )
punkman: but they are saying they might allow private doctors do it, which would somewhat solve problem
asciilifeform: punkman: and no one takes bribe at the center? or wat
punkman: they caught some people vaccinating people at their center, people that lived in different city
punkman: the tests are also great scam, unvaxxed need 2 tests a week, costs 80 cents, they sell it for 10eur
punkman: starting to ask for test results even from vaxxed people, say for visiting relative in hospital
thimbronion: asciilifeform has read Bronze Age Mindset?
asciilifeform: thimbronion: nope
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-22 10:40:29 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-22#1059091 << the 2-3 times asciilifeform tried to read 'bap', bored to death and garbagecollected. but given how vigorously he's pushed, can only assume is a tame zhirinovskian dissent-pet of the reich
asciilifeform: thimbronion: it has vague rightpablum associations in my head. and if anyffin like the author's www, i suspect is deadly boring to folx who are familiar with the sources he cribbed, mp-style
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-11 12:49:07 asciilifeform: the entire history of 'organized right' in usa is a series of these, cynical hucksters, their room-temp-iq marks, book deals
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-31 14:29:33 signpost: check it out, it's aristotle with more cock references
asciilifeform: however serious fans are invited to link to a good warez scan. i'ma eventually read, if this meinkampf really is the best the anglos have to offer atm
thimbronion: asciilifeform: Afaict he claims to be eastern european in origin. IMO his material is hilarious. Much of it being in podcast form, I suspect it will be forever inaccessible to asciilifeform. I was not aware that he had any www.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: punkman seems to think that fake orc ? ( i've nfi -- not fan )
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-22 03:59:13 punkman: "This is hardly BAPtist" << they really love Bronze Age Pervert, who turns out is american academic that pretends to write English like someone from Balkans
thimbronion: asciilifeform: also has fake slavic accent, if so.
asciilifeform: i suppose oneday i'ma have to hear the tape, expect it'll be obvious (ameritards doing 'accent' somehow mysteriously always sound exactly the same)
billymg: asciilifeform: i just grabbed one of the copies from here
billymg: aside from some of the valid concerns there's the simple fact of "gotta stick yourself with this to participate in society". and no i don't think getting around it via forged documents or bribes to doctors really solves anything, it could be saline solution and i still wouldn't want it because it's a symbol of compliance/slavery. same with the masks
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-11 15:03:37 punkman: https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/post/the-last-post
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-22 17:08:12 asciilifeform: punkman: and no one takes bribe at the center? or wat
thimbronion: billymg: I'm gonna try paying the bribe if they ban me from flights before mid-october. Alternatively might try flying out of TJ. Just seems dumb to get the shot if I already had covid.
billymg: the masks are by far the most in your face, humiliating example imo. whenever there's footage of elites at some gathering they're always maskless while the waiters are muzzled
billymg: and afaik there ain't a slip of paper that gets you out of wearing one of those in places where they're required
thimbronion: I will say that I haven't gotten so much as a cold since everyone started wearing masks, which has been nice, honestly.
thimbronion: I still hate'em.
billymg: thimbronion: i've been trying to monitor that closely, does it seem like they might attempt to limit air travel to the vaccinated (how vaccinated? 2 shots? 3?) only?
billymg: thimbronion: i have no problems with the masks of course, just that i have to wear one
thimbronion: billymg: the white has has been "debating" requiring vaccinations for air travel.
thimbronion: *whitehouse
billymg: yeah, i've seen those headlines
billymg: the trial balloons
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-22#1059232 << in linked piece at least i think this is somewhat unfair. i don't know how you got from author's "use cape (tranny-ism) against enemy (by gumming up his machine and wasting his resources)" to "gore the cape!"
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-22 13:39:51 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-22#1059182 << their offered concept of 'the enemy' i find has exactly 0 to do with reality. 100% cape/bait.
billymg: in fact seemed to correctly identify enemy as anyone in the parasite class living off the efforts of others
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-22#1059251 << ain't arrestable offense but more or less required for meaningful employment (unless your parents can pay your tuition)
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-22 15:04:38 asciilifeform: at the very least stop borrowing money. it aint an arrestable offense yet, even in the heart of the reich.
billymg was fortunate enough to avoid this, via random inheritance from the timely death of a relative
thimbronion: Wouldn't you want as much debt AND btc as possible?
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-22#1059253 << only if you mean "what ferrari cost in 1990 in nominal terms". i had to look it up but it seems like they were going for around $125k back then, so when you multiply by inflation that puts you right back into present day rolls royce / bugatti prices (afaik those still aren't plasticars)
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-22 15:06:57 asciilifeform: stop buying plasticars that cost what ferrari cost in 1990.
billymg: thimbronion: that makes sense in theory, because your debt will inflate to ~0 in real value while your btc goes to the moon
billymg: how that works in practice for someone who isn't properly usg-wotted i'm not sure
billymg: and then there are the random market crashes, which i suspect get triggered when too many of the plebs have levered up
billymg: so for me personally i just like the simplicity of no debt
billymg: the rest of this list is all good
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-22 15:11:13 asciilifeform: desk flyers can stop working for sv corps any time they like. the fat pay is imaginary after subtracting rents, but -- i have nfi what drugs they take for this -- none of'em notice
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-22 15:08:53 asciilifeform: the other thing that's entirely 0cost, is to stop quaking in fear of imaginary monsters played by (cheap!) unemployed sad sacks. e.g. 'trannies' and the other demons from linked piece.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-22 15:11:48 asciilifeform: stop contributing to faux 'political parties'. could go on, but why.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-22 15:06:02 asciilifeform: can stop respecting 'ivy grads', buying their 'books', listening to 'experts'. this also not yet arrestable, and costs 0.
billymg: re: the sv coders, what does asciilifeform think about something like this as an alternative to quitting?
billymg: "Fortune companies and their international equivalents are worth billions and billions of dollars if not more. Getting hired at one of these places, doing as little work as you can get away with, and reinvesting their money in yourself and your family is an objective moral good."
asciilifeform: billymg: aint that what erryone already does?
billymg: asciilifeform: yeah, everyone except the 10% busting their ass to keep the lights on
asciilifeform: aka 'slow rolling'. tho i hear that at sv, they have decimations where bottom xx% sacked quarterly. so perhaps will have to switch salt mines often if overdoing it
billymg: asciilifeform: or larp as an unfireable class perhaps?
billymg knows of only amazon and maybe netflix doing the annual stack rank cullings
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-22#1059305 << imho is a 'toy' humiliation, and crafted to make folx protest in an inexpensive and safe direction. 'mask -- humiliating.' ok, and paying 50% tax not humiliating? or ~80-90% if you include rent/mortgage -- not humiliating ?
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-22 20:57:16 billymg: the masks are by far the most in your face, humiliating example imo. whenever there's footage of elites at some gathering they're always maskless while the waiters are muzzled
billymg: asciilifeform: actually, the switching saltmines each time you get busted strategy costs them even more money -- but also more of your time/effort
asciilifeform: having your savings hoovered away by printing press -- not humiliating?
billymg: asciilifeform: interesting, i hadn't considered that. so maybe in a year or two they "the people have spoken, no more masks" to cheers of "we did it reddit"
billymg: like pot and gay marriage
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-22#1059318 << 'must have degree' is -- at least in software biz -- disinfo. not 1 place asciilifeform ever worked in, asked after the diploma. believe or not.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-22 21:11:45 billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-22#1059251 << ain't arrestable offense but more or less required for meaningful employment (unless your parents can pay your tuition)
asciilifeform: and regularly was in a brigade where was the only 1 with such a thing and no one missed it
billymg: asciilifeform: yes but software biz really is the only place i know of that is like that
asciilifeform: the honest trades (plumbing, repairs, construction) also likethat
asciilifeform: pretty sure that in usa, the only profession where the diploma is actually mandatory -- is medicine
billymg also doesn't need to be convinced of "keep your eyes on the goddamned money" -- whole reason behind his interest in btc in the first place
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-22#1059344 << entirely possible. but what i meant was that it (and then vaccine) is a toy humiliation: immediately distracted over9000 people from the slide into penury organized for'em by the moolahprinters
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-22 21:38:24 billymg: asciilifeform: interesting, i hadn't considered that. so maybe in a year or two they "the people have spoken, no more masks" to cheers of "we did it reddit"
asciilifeform: and mask etc -- relatively safe to protest. try protesting rent.
billymg: asciilifeform: i think symbolic humiliations matter as well. the more psychologically you're beaten down the weaker you are to resist the actual attacks
asciilifeform: billymg: naturally can't speak for billymg et al, but what i've seen was folx feeling as if they actually finally could resist, and with feeling they 'won against reich' by sneaking into mask zone ungagged etc
asciilifeform: i.e. punching bag.
billymg: asciilifeform: that makes sense too, energy goes to mask evasion rather than tax evasion
billymg: i can see it
billymg: and then ditto with the vaccines
asciilifeform: and the 'rightists' have yet to even approach the 'third eye opening' required to spit out the 1950s bridle of 'anticommunism' and realize that rent and usury are entirely same as 'ordinary' taxation
billymg: fwiw a lot of these same people equally aware of blackrock buying up the suburbs and gates buying up farmland, etc.
asciilifeform: that when yer taxed, it doesn't matter worth half a fuck ~who~ is doing it
asciilifeform: billymg: aware -- but do they object in the general, rather than in the particular ?
billymg: asciilifeform: they object, and as loudly and effectively as they can (which isn't much)
billymg: i mean what do you do?
asciilifeform: billymg: what some folx do, on acct of psychological quirk, is stockholm syndrome.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-22 13:25:24 asciilifeform: anyway, the one where e.g. 'What did Lenin do? Exterminate the natural aristocracy of Russia ... Everybody but intelligent, conservative Russians of good families... ' etc
asciilifeform: not usually manifests as fellatio of extinct orc nobility, tho, but moar typically as 'you too could build a fortune'
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-04-04 16:47:43 asciilifeform: without this psychological quirk, the whole circus would be quite impossible. phunphakt, e.g. auschwitz inmates collected pieces of german uniform to put on. 'feel like german'.
billymg: asciilifeform: right, or as signpost put it, "*chan fascism is a type of porn"
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-11 16:54:51 signpost: upstack, this *chan fascism is a type of porn, not a coherent ideology.
asciilifeform: billymg: the directly analogous people to the inmates are the 'startup' cargocultists
billymg: asciilifeform: re: rent and usury, are you referring only to monopoly rents and interest rates, or the concepts in general?
asciilifeform: billymg: usury in general. it leads inescapably to pricing life out of affordability to those who won't borrow.
billymg: usury is considered lending at rates above x% iirc, where x is something like 2-3%
billymg: and used to be illegal maybe?
asciilifeform: billymg: the monopolism of course is in play -- via supply constriction ('building codes'; and the fact that the reich rich can afford to buy infinitely many houses with printed money and keep'em empty, simply to keep plebes mortgaged in the remaining ones)
thimbronion: And ... alcuin now has 496 byte black packets.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: a++
billymg: asciilifeform: as for rent, i understand why paying $5k/mo to real estate portfolio company is just another form of tax. but if you're young, and don't have the money to buy a house (without credit or at all), what other option is there besides renting?
billymg: so if you find a duplex owned by nice old lady and she rents you the other half for $500/mo, is that also evil and she should be tarred and feathered like the rest of them?
asciilifeform: understand, all housing in usa already belongs to the crown. simply, they're charging you ~100% of what you make, for it, and the old sovok didn't
asciilifeform: billymg: funnily enuff 'old lady renting a garrett' was permitted ! my father at one time lived in one
asciilifeform: overall the orc reich was over9000x less doctrinaire and rigid in practice than the american one.
billymg: asciilifeform: any affiliation to the howard zinn book?
billymg: (your link)
asciilifeform: nfi, not familiar
asciilifeform: had the thing bookmarked on acct of it having prices for commodore64 on release and various other historic techs
billymg: "A People's History of the United States"
billymg: was an entertaining read when i was younger, if i reread it i suspect it would seem like more obvious communist propaganda
asciilifeform not read
asciilifeform: the linked pg doesn't seen to indicate author, oddly.
asciilifeform: seems reasonably well-researched in re prices tho, they're sourced from periodicals which can be found elsewhere
billymg: asciilifeform: ah, yeah, the whole wtf happened in 1971
asciilifeform: btw this is the 'policeman in your head' swinging his truncheon. 1 of the protective programmings the lizards install in heads is 'use the smallholder as human shield'
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-22 22:01:54 billymg: so if you find a duplex owned by nice old lady and she rents you the other half for $500/mo, is that also evil and she should be tarred and feathered like the rest of them?
billymg: asciilifeform: dunno why i keep sticking up for this twitter crowd but that has to be one of the most heavily shared links in those circles
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-11 23:45:16 billymg: asciilifeform: there is a large group on twitter that is downright religious about "must store own btc priv keys or else you're a cuck"
asciilifeform has encountered otherwise reasonable-seeming folx, in usa, who truly believed that private ownership of e.g. a toothbrush was forbidden in su
billymg: my point being they seem to "get it"
asciilifeform: billymg: which ? the 1971 pg?
billymg: the 'wtf happened in 1971' site
asciilifeform: the rub is that quite a few things happened, and 1) we don't know all of'em 2) of the ones known, don't know which -- causes, which -- effects
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-22 22:09:46 asciilifeform: btw this is the 'policeman in your head' swinging his truncheon. 1 of the protective programmings the lizards install in heads is 'use the smallholder as human shield'
billymg bbl, dinner
asciilifeform bbl, debuggism
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