verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-31#1055642 I'm not off-schedule, since there be no schedule. I was aiming for within this year.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-31 23:04:33 signpost: anyhow you could be right. I failed to get verisimilitude to grunt out that encoder.
verisimilitude: Give me a schedule if I should adhere to one.
signpost: I already wrote mine, so I'm not paying for anything.
signpost: thimbronion: pls shoot me a pair of secrets in gpg for alcuin when you can.
thimbronion: signpost: will do mañana
thimbronion: billymg: please put it on the back burner. I need to rethink alethepedia.
billymg: thimbronion: ah, what's the change? i was looking forward to it actually
thimbronion: billymg: the text quality is really abysmal if you take some time to browse through some articles. I haven't done the work to see if it will be cost effective to repair them.
thimbronion: billymg: if alcuin gains traction here, I may need some help creating a nice looking "landing page" for consumption of heathens.
billymg: thimbronion: would be happy to help there as well
thimbronion: billymg: cool
verisimilitude: Okay, signpost.
verisimilitude: That means mine will be AGPLv3, as I prefer.
signpost: thimbronion: sooner we get off the sinful star topology the better.
signpost: verisimilitude: more the merrier. still a worthwhile endeavor imho.
verisimilitude: Still, this is an unfortunate throwback to when I tried to work with adlai. Had I been given a schedule, I would've aimed for it, rather than take my leisurely pace.
punkman: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9946335/Chinas-war-celebrities-Scandal-hit-stars-deemed-social-tumours-removed.html
signpost: punkman: seems like they're gearing up the propaganda ahead of a market crash.
signpost: "we did everything we could and yet the capitalists wrecked!1!"
shinohai: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-30#1054941 << Yeah this is purvey of the girls. I still prefer death metal but learning to cumbia dance *was* fun.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-30 23:10:46 bingoboingo: shinohai Their friends all had at least one Insta story featuring Bzrp #36 around the new year? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OkiUUU3Odw
signpost: wouldn't surprise me to see a chinese crash which causes both liquidations and supply chain issues elsewhere.
asciilifeform suspects that it's rather a routine pie-redivision (from out-of-favour oligarchs to new generation from 'correct' parentage) a la 2010s ru
asciilifeform: pete_rizzo_: missed your pm earlier. yes 'classical' client refers to trb.
signpost: yeah, plenty of that too. just curious whether they've exposed their society to the casino enough to have caused systemic risk like ours does. wouldn't surprise.
thimbronion: signpost: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=cfNM
asciilifeform: signpost: when you get a few spare cycles, would like to hear your thoughts re 'wotware'
asciilifeform: (concretely, whether and how is distinct conceptually from what done previously)
asciilifeform: unrelatedly, asciilifeform must take off hat to signpost , thimbronion, and billymg, but also must remind that there's a min. takeoff velocity and would prefer not to disappoint people ( right nao plenty of folx entirely
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-31 23:18:11 thimbronion: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-31#1055639 << I can spare some coin
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-31 23:43:05 billymg: this could be interesting, i'd also chip in to free asciilifeform
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-31 20:48:06 asciilifeform: anyways by popular demand, the ballpark magic# is ~100.
asciilifeform: justified to be disappointed in how slowly asciilifeform worx, but at least did not pay anyffin, lol)
asciilifeform: wholly unrelatedly -- thimbronion i'd like to try your proggy. plz pgp the necessary bits to asciilifeform when you get a chance.
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 17 nodes...
watchglass: 185.85.38.54:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 84.16.46.130:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.089s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=698575
watchglass: 54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.089s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=698575
watchglass: 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.082s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=698575
watchglass: 205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.141s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=698575
watchglass: 205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.144s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=698575 (Operator: whaack)
watchglass: 205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.277s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=698575 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.159s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=698575
watchglass: 54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.260s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=698575
watchglass: 143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.294s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=698575
watchglass: 213.109.238.156:8333 : Alive: (0.338s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=698575
watchglass: 71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.965s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=698575 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.598s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=698575
watchglass: 176.9.59.199:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length! (Operator: jurov)
watchglass: 192.151.158.26:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
billymg: asciilifeform, shinohai: this version of chromium finally built on my dbus/systemd-free gentoo. the solution was to comment out the musl related patches in the ebuild and set the -system-icu USE flag. i'm a bit embarrassed that i didn't try commenting out the musl patches sooner since i'm not on a musl build but
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-30 12:58:15 billymg: asciilifeform: so i found this overlay which has an ebuild for chromium that makes dbus optional, but this depends on the atk use flag, and if disabled, no dbus, but then wants to use gtk3
billymg: i glanced at the patches and assumed they were making it optional
asciilifeform: ohey neato!
billymg: i might need to install some extra fonts though, certain websites render with missing text
billymg: while others render fine
asciilifeform: billymg: see also my note re fonts
asciilifeform: ( the arrows in ffa ch.14 are apparently missing in default xorg fonts nao )
signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-01#1055703 << will think on this and give it a proper response. a few aspects come to mind, 1) funded by wot, not asciilifeform's sweat, 2) usable by wot, including commercially (which includes asciilifeform just releasing the thing under a broad permissive license or stating its public-domain nature. could also be something
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-01 14:38:20 asciilifeform: signpost: when you get a few spare cycles, would like to hear your thoughts re 'wotware'
signpost: narrower.
signpost: the antilicense is great and all, but it creates problems for anyone who wants to hustle in the present world.
signpost: also not bothered in the least if this cannot happen due to time constraints or unwillingness. just pressing on the assumption that *if* there were a free quarter for the assembled to buy from asciilifeform, they wouldn't
signpost: I would.
billymg: asciilifeform: hmm, my font issue seems to be a bit different. chromium appears to be unable to access system fonts, but renders fine when the website embeds fonts via css
signpost: for now that's all I can personally commit too. I'm upper-middle-class, not rich, and the reptile-fucks are doing their damnedest to make sure I stay put.
billymg: i think i'm going to shelve this for now (since i have a working firefox) and move on to the rest of the stack
signpost: btw ack thimbronion, ty. really looking forward to trying this.
signpost encourages davout also to write in if he's interested in funding a completed ada-trb.
billymg: signpost: re funds for wotware i'd be willing to commit ~10
signpost: 10 BTC, or $10k worth BTC?
billymg: former
signpost: nb!
billymg: i figured that's what we were talking about re ascii's 100 number
signpost: 100 BTC sounds like a hell of a lot more than finishing ada-trb.
signpost: that figure's less quarter-of-work territory and more "funding a company"
signpost: anyway, let's see what others say.
billymg: signpost: just looking at the nicklist in here i estimated there might be 8 people who'd be willing/able to put up 12.5 (for me this is sort of my ceiling but there might be others here who could put down 2-3x that)
signpost: practically speaking, I could hire an ada contractor for much less than that.
signpost: asciilifeform's expertise is worth a premium, for sure.
billymg: i understood the 100 number to mean, can safely say "fuck you" to fiat clients for now
signpost: lol, if one can't *retire* with 100BTC wtf's going on.
signpost: bit much, but maybe we can find a middle.
billymg: signpost: sure, also unclear whether this is dependent on current exch rate or not, perhaps in october btc at 100k lol
billymg: i'm also not sure how *any* number circumvents the spendability problem
billymg: but also seems like there are people in this chan that have this solved
billymg: perhaps can share their secrets
signpost: one angle is that with a *usable artifact* TRB foundation gets rebooted and hires asciilifeform fulltime. no way in hell an ada implementation of bitcoin is not commercially useful, which'd mean there are parties willing to continue to fund TBF.
signpost: I have no idea what a spendability problem is. perhaps the IRS has singled out asciilifeform racist-ly.
signpost pays them their estimated payments, declares everything, etc.
signpost: but leaves that to personal business.
billymg: signpost: in that case any contribution to wotco comes with tax bill as well
signpost: if billymg finds me the place where receiving money comes without tax bill I'll move
signpost: :D
billymg: lol i wish i knew
signpost: in fact, as I think about it.
signpost: TBF ought to be a nonprofit which hires or contracts asciilifeform.
billymg: how about a religion?
billymg: it's already a cult
signpost: eh. I'm speaking of things that can actually happen.
billymg: i know i know, just joking
thimbronion: signpost: I'll be in the #aleth channel, once you get it running.
signpost: the assembled donate to this nonprofit.
asciilifeform may have catastrophically failed to explain himself, so will elaborate (tho a little surprised at the interest in subj! again must take off hat to the folx proposing such)
asciilifeform: signpost: good % of asciilifeform's saecular work is not simply to buy bread, but so that he can have work (and on acceptable terms) 2,3,5y from nao.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-01#1055760 << to send'em off ~permanently~.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-01 16:00:00 billymg: i understood the 100 number to mean, can safely say "fuck you" to fiat clients for now
signpost: I totally understand, and respect that this takes priority.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform aint looking for 'a job'. (for that matter could already afford to 'take coupla yr off'. technically. but won't, because then will have to eat pistol when battery runs out)
signpost: a buy order can sit on the books for a long time, no?
signpost: if asciilifeform ever freed up, perhaps hired a minion in 2yrs, thought "why not finish the old art project", I'd still be interested in helping make it happen.
asciilifeform: also i suspect obvious, but asciilifeform aint any kind of monopolist on sense, or on writing proggies, and anyone who wants to try to assemble his published fragments into $proggy (via whatever means) is always welcome to
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-01 15:59:46 signpost: practically speaking, I could hire an ada contractor for much less than that.
signpost can otherwise only contribute later himself, as also preoccupied with the battery problem.
asciilifeform: signpost: asciilifeform's curse+blessing is that he worx by holding entire proggy in head.
asciilifeform: so 2nd,..,nth pair of hands not nearly so useful as in normal saecular softs worx
asciilifeform: (from asciilifeform's pov strictly)
signpost: yep, I find I'm personally completely shit at "SLAM OUT N FEATURES BY NEXT WEEK" coding, such that I moved to another role professionally.
signpost: need to have eaten the thing enough to have a picture in my head before I can do anything remotely useful.
signpost went back to pentacle recently, and lol, something breaks, when it seemed hermetically sealed.
signpost: clearly cared about something I didn't anticipate, but what? libc? kernel version? environment variables that snuck through? behind on prayers to satan?
asciilifeform: signpost: i'm in 'n features' and finding it very taxing on health, fwiw
asciilifeform admits to serious surprise that anyone wanted to make donations to him. (btw anyone (hy martians??!) who really wants to , is welcome to, there's pgp-signed addr on asciilifeform's www. will thank publicly, as did with mike_c's. simply, can't 'take off velocity' until ~100.)
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-01#1055741 << in re ffa specifically i admit had though, 'maybe someone writes in and asks for commercial relicense' but this was naive, nobody in heathen world showed any symptoms of wanting such item, to date.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-01 15:51:07 signpost: the antilicense is great and all, but it creates problems for anyone who wants to hustle in the present world.
asciilifeform: *thought
signpost: at least in my experience, no such thing as writing in. somebody has to bang on doors.
asciilifeform: fact is, ~software per se~ costs almost 0 to make. what costs ~infinity is ~correct and compact~ softs. but ~0 measurable demand in money-world.
signpost: would blow my mind if Kraken et al had *zero* use for an adanode
asciilifeform: signpost: think about it tho. what's the use of ada fixedtime rsa planted in the middle of 100GB of js liquishit. rather like inverse of proverbial 'submarine screen door'.
signpost: really depends on how architected.
asciilifeform recalls meeting american cardboard-house inhabitants who bought multi-$k steel doors. similar
asciilifeform: 'but look here, i can put my foot through the wall..'
signpost: lol, yup
signpost: hey, perhaps now's not the time.
asciilifeform: afaik defo not
signpost will be grunting himself to the woods over the coming year, and is grinding monthly expenses down and income up.
asciilifeform: neato
signpost: solar panels, canning, etc., even has a wife on his side in this project.
asciilifeform: satellite antennae?
signpost: actually really interested in farting blox and txn over radio, yep.
signpost: maybe it takes until the "great mistake" and collapse, if we don't slow-grind downward for a century.
asciilifeform still has massive dipole antenna in crate, and buncha uwb stuff which never tested
signpost: if latter, I can still roll myself a joint.
asciilifeform really gotta clean up the maffs for this thing and publish before drowning
asciilifeform: ( see also )
signpost: much of my interest in error correcting codes has exactly to do with not losing the internet when the "daddy-hurt-me" monsters in government decide to lock that down.
signpost: and with the obvious interdiction risk in current BTC.
signpost: (when will the backbone start disappearing transactions to certain addresses? how can you prove it isn't already happening?)
signpost: and with the centralization of mining, quite obvious where to interdict
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-01#1055806 << yeah, will always need a pete_dushenski or dorion out on the golf courses. i don't even think this is a bad thing, just gotta find one
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-01 16:23:23 signpost: at least in my experience, no such thing as writing in. somebody has to bang on doors.
asciilifeform: even before fullbore internet of the future(tm)(r)(c) the bitcoin-over-plaintext-between-strangers thing is getting rather old
signpost: pete's a fucking faker; you don't need that.
signpost: and I don't know dorion.
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-01#1055809 << this assumes kraken uses the same stack for its customers as it does for its cold storage
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-01 16:24:16 asciilifeform: signpost: think about it tho. what's the use of ada fixedtime rsa planted in the middle of 100GB of js liquishit. rather like inverse of proverbial 'submarine screen door'.
asciilifeform: noades oughta be rsapeered.
signpost: businessmen *needn't be fakers*. that's an american trope.
billymg: signpost: just meant the extrovert/salesman type
signpost: yeah, just clarifying for logs.
signpost: the iterated prisoners' dilemma demands *non-fakers*
signpost: asciilifeform: indeed.
asciilifeform: aha, but 1st you gotta actually make it iterate; which is for what wot.
signpost: one of the weakest parts of the whole shitwad.
asciilifeform: signpost: imho even to ~demonstrate~ uninterdictable uwb across planet, would cool the ardour of the 'internet of the future' types, at minimal expense.
asciilifeform: but this possibly 'not time yet'
billymg: signpost: there are two companies working hard to decentralize minging now: http://upstreamdata.ca and http://gam.ai
bingoboingo: asciilifeform In other developments border opened to non-resident property owners today. You may yet be able to arrange beach down here
billymg: mining*
signpost: if I can clonk fort asciilifeform, fort billymg, fort bv et al with packets, that'd be a happy day.
asciilifeform: billymg: sadly mining centralized because of idjit block-withholding-and-emptyblock-permitting algo, rather than because of mains current cost
asciilifeform: i.e. when over9000 little engines powering it, still incentive for all 9000 to belong to 1 entity
asciilifeform: it's a 'trbi-complete' problem, there
asciilifeform: bingoboingo: nifty. nao if only uy properties didn't cost like washington's..
bingoboingo: Not if you want a whole hotel in Piriapolis
asciilifeform: bingoboingo: i imagine there's a discount when you buy by-the-continent too, lol
asciilifeform: bingoboingo: so didja buy hotel ?
bingoboingo: Don't know the business enough to have done so, suspect local real estate prices going to continue walking down
asciilifeform suspects that 'the thing to buy' in uy is that trade concession thing, or whatever it was that is the final solution to the weight-in-gold tax on modern tech there
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-30 19:15:25 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-30#1054765 << aint so 'plenty' if also want e.g. 'ryzen' at sticker price and not at 200+% import duty.
billymg: asciilifeform: what's the trade concession? pay upfront for x years of tax free import or something?
asciilifeform: billymg: something similar, i dun recall the exact package, possibly bingoboingo does
billymg: bingoboingo: i still want to visit but last i checked there was still mandatory quarantine or similar that i couldn't stomach
billymg is still holding out for maskless travel
bingoboingo: billymg The rules on that are in flux for people who got poked
billymg: bingoboingo: yeah... also not personally interested in that either
signpost: I'm warming to mats position on masks. I look like I'm there to rob the place with black hat, black sunglasses, mask, beard.
bingoboingo: Understandable
bingoboingo: signpost: Ease of changing disguise too
billymg: signpost: lol, i haven't tested the bandana look here yet
signpost: also last time I flew, I just sipped the same beverage for hours
signpost: WHAT, STILL DRINKING
billymg: lol
mats: masks don't save the passenger next to me from having to smell my farts
asciilifeform: headline '2025: airlines' controversial but necessary buttplugs mandate!'
billymg: chartered flight don't require masks either, perhaps they'll take btc when exchg rate is $1mn
billymg: flights*
asciilifeform: billymg: it's funny how already 'errything takes btc', while in reality nuffin in reich
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-31 20:42:21 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-31#1055569 << where's the mystery? see from horse's mouth, e.g. paypal's www : 'Checking out with crypto is a taxable transaction / Because it’s an asset, it will first be sold whenever you checkout with crypto and the cash will be used to pay the merchant. You have to report any gains or losses on the crypto sale on
billymg: i think it's funny how ridiculously obvious it is that the mask thing is a class signifier
mats: one time i farted in a communal shower after dinner and someone threw up
asciilifeform: lol!
mats: a treasured memory
asciilifeform: mats: what didja eat ?
mats: nothing special, pasta veg meat iirc
asciilifeform: unrepeatable feat of talent, then!
billymg: mats: veggies and meat or veggiemeat?
asciilifeform reminded of his father's tales from '60s su army
mats: billymg: former
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-01#1055800 << very curious; paste eggog plz when you get a chance, signpost
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-01 16:20:24 signpost: clearly cared about something I didn't anticipate, but what? libc? kernel version? environment variables that snuck through? behind on prayers to satan?
asciilifeform must bbl
billymg: asciilifeform: i'm getting blocked by the masked virtual/tmpfiles package, i noticed there's one on my rockchip but looks like it could be a shim version
billymg: it's for postgres at the moment but other packages have asked for it too
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-29 15:03:51 asciilifeform: billymg: asciilifeform's /etc/portage/package.mask/systemd , for reference.
asciilifeform: billymg: the 29 aug list is newer by almost 5y!
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform assembled it 3w ago, lol )
billymg: asciilifeform: nice, and i've incorporated those into my local build now too
asciilifeform: ( the rk list originally started life on asciilifeform's x60 gentoo )
asciilifeform: billymg: didja read the tmpfiles link ?
asciilifeform: lemme find it again :
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-05 15:41:05 asciilifeform: 'Get ride of systemd-tmpfiles'
asciilifeform: ftr some of the items in the orig. ('rk') list -- redundant
asciilifeform: ( iirc e.g. the gnomisms are blocked by killing dbus and don't need own bullet )
asciilifeform: doesn't hurt to list'em tho
billymg: asciilifeform: yeah, i followed that guide and used the linked ebuilds to rebuild openrc and emerge xorg-server
asciilifeform: a++
asciilifeform: btw if you need mesa in yer xorg, there's a patch
billymg: i don't currently have any tmpfiles packages installed, but postgres wants one
asciilifeform: billymg: you may have to version-climb down until find one that doesn't
asciilifeform: ( alternatively use the --nodeps trick and see if in fact needs or not )
billymg: ah, right, i still keep forgetting about that
asciilifeform: it's the single sharpest knife in the toolkit imho
billymg: lol it built with --nodeps
billymg: first try
asciilifeform: bahahaha
asciilifeform: see whether ~runs~ tho
asciilifeform: ( you may have to adjust knobs somewhere for temp dir or somesuch )
asciilifeform: a++
billymg: i dunno what the different variations mean though
asciilifeform: interestingly asciilifeform found that he did not at any pt need to resort to >4.9.4 gcc in the hand-cranked 'modernization' of xorg process
asciilifeform: ( built the 10.x turd 'in case' but not had to use. or rather, the various obstacles which hit, were in fact not resolvable by using it, and in all cases rebuilt w/ classical in the end )
asciilifeform: i'ma share the pill against the piece of shit which took the longest , tho not certain whether anyone needs :
asciilifeform: if building 'mesa', will get barf, and the only cure appears to be this patch. place in /etc/portage/patches/media-libs/mesa-21.2.0_rc2/ (or adjust for other versions but not guaranteed..)
asciilifeform: ( possibly the need for this was an artifact of what version of binutils on the box )
asciilifeform: at some pt fuckwads started listing linker deps out of order! evidently on some machine somewhere, this worx..
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-01#1055923 << gcc comes in two basic flavours : <5 and >=5 .
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-01 21:12:07 billymg: i dunno what the different variations mean though
asciilifeform: the latter is fulla 'surprises'.
dulapbot: (trilema) 2019-04-22 asciilifeform: trinque: speaking moar from concrete than theoretical pov -- gcc5 has documented 'optimizations' that remove bounds checks
dulapbot: (trilema) 2019-01-19 asciilifeform: the gcc5+ gnomes, occupy selves with cranking out 'mandatory' kludges for intelism; removing backend support for vintage, marginally-sane archs (alpha, hitachi, etc); gluing-with-broken-glass various incompatibilities to prevent coad developed under 5+ from building under 4.x; inserting 'optimizations' that snake around naive cprogrammer attempts at bounds-constraint; and so forth.
dulapbot: (trilema) 2018-09-05 asciilifeform: upstack, https://archive.is/WMoLv (warning: entomologists only) << the how&why of uboot 'gcc5+ only' idjicy. tldr: gcc5 silently broke uboot on arm. so the latter was 'fixed' so as to... ONLY gcc5+. in the now-customary way.
billymg: asciilifeform: my gcc4.9.4 install seemed to come with a few sub-variants (see paste)
billymg bbl
asciilifeform not tried the supposed 'hardened' variants, cannot comment in detail
billymg: !. uptime
billymg: hrm
billymg: !. uptime
bitbot: billymg: time since my last reconnect : 0d 0h 0m
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-01#1055919 << works, at least can startup the server and connect with psql, not tested beyond that
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-01 21:10:22 asciilifeform: see whether ~runs~ tho
asciilifeform: billymg: a++
billymg: asciilifeform: some weirdness with python2.7, was able to install it just fine, and eix shows it installed along with the 3.x version, but eselect-python won't recognize it
billymg: if i add it to python-exec.conf `eselect python list` shows it, but as (uninstalled)
asciilifeform: billymg: i also noticed this; not fixed yet
billymg: asciilifeform: you might find this thread amusing. the broken english and overall tone reminded me of the 4chan "why you want rail for kalashnikov" meme
billymg: "Why chrome is still not dependency for openrc? - You still have time before election... " - posted nov 2, 2020
asciilifeform: aaha there's a buncha these
asciilifeform: ( see also )
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-29 20:57:14 asciilifeform: mostly consisting of 'well you still gotta have dbus and gtk3!!! or you don't get to www/emacs/xorg/udev/etc/etc/etc!!' and 'ok have this thing that in fact contains 95% of systemd src but ~we'll call it something else~'
asciilifeform: 'Eudev, elogind,opentmpfiles dont exist to make openrc (or runit or busybox or.... <Insert your preferred init>) like systemd.... They exist to allow people to not use systemd' >> lol, raft!
dulapbot: (trilema) 2016-08-18 asciilifeform: 'The situation is somewhat akin to a retarded girlfriend trying to flood your apartment, that not only opens all the faucets and stops all the drains, but also takes the "extremely clever" measure of puncturing the water pipes, so she can then preciously inform you that "turning off the faucets won't help" and you must work with her to somehow create a raft out of your widescreen TV so as to navigate the marshy terrain that used to b
asciilifeform: the solution to all of this nonsense is the same today as it was in '15 : extirpate poetteringism , with fire and sword.
asciilifeform: wherever found.
asciilifeform: 'Сколько раз увидишь его, Столько раз его и убей!'(tm)(r)