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punkman: South Africa thread still going. wonder if it's gonna be another Somalia in few years
asciilifeform: punkman: interesting pics; wasn't aware that it was not yet already 'a somalia.'
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 17 nodes...
watchglass: 185.85.38.54:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 84.16.46.130:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.032s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690839 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.031s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690839
watchglass: 205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.061s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690839
watchglass: 54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.114s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690839
watchglass: 143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.243s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690839
watchglass: 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.220s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690839
watchglass: 176.9.59.199:8333 : (static.199.59.9.176.clients.your-server.de) Alive: (0.273s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=412062 (Operator: jurov)
watchglass: 54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.201s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690839
watchglass: 192.151.158.26:8333 : Alive: (0.214s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690839
watchglass: 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.324s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690839
watchglass: 213.109.238.156:8333 : Alive: (0.351s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690824
watchglass: 205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.030s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=690839 (Operator: whaack)
watchglass: 205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.580s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690839 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.548s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690839
asciilifeform: billymg: in re noad spamola (which carries on, tho w/out visible effect on block-eatin') -- is 2000 the max list edible by your scanner? ( dun recall whether this is simply max peer list in trb.. )
billymg: asciilifeform: i don't believe i ever restricted it to 2000, unless postgres caps text[] column types by default for some reason
asciilifeform: must be a cap in trb, tho can't seem to find where
billymg: asciilifeform: i'm working now on putting up something at http://bitdash.io/nodes/ so can, for example, view only trb nodes, etc.
asciilifeform: billymg: neato
asciilifeform: billymg: would be interesting to find out what, if anyffin, the bogus noades have in common
asciilifeform: (they don't seem to all be, as in '17, on aws, for instance)
billymg: asciilifeform: any possibility that they're not bogus but that watchglass's protocol spec is missing some magic prb flag somewhere?
billymg: ... i guess i could lookup some of the IPs in a heathen explorer to test that
billymg: re: 2000 cap, this one reporting 2001
asciilifeform: billymg: there's the extra byte in the hello but asciilifeform assumed that billymg already accounted for this
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-03-01 14:38:20 asciilifeform: shinohai: this btw confirmed. i did experiment, if one sends that extra byte, prb noades do in fact send addrs. (and yes some of'em ipv6, have to be thrown out)
billymg: asciilifeform: yeah, i accounted for that one
asciilifeform: billymg: aha, given as very clearly visible in your thing , there are prb nodes which ~do~ return peers
asciilifeform has no data in re any other obvious protocol incompatibilities in prb
asciilifeform: ... doesn't mean there aint any
billymg: the prb crawler has an api, maybe later at some point i could add in some automated cross referencing
asciilifeform: billymg: what for ?
billymg: strictly to uncover irregularities
asciilifeform: billymg: so long as nuffin they do can break yours, dun see wainot
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-09#1044719 << by this were you referring to the fact that trb eventually clears out the spam peers?
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-09 19:28:00 asciilifeform: interesting. tho loox like trb ~does~ purge cache; yest. i was starting to think it doesn't (or can be induced into fughetting)
asciilifeform: billymg: aha
asciilifeform will have to go and reread the pertinent src
billymg: this must've been something that you or someone added by hand then, no? since the prb nodes don't seem to do the same
billymg: (or something that prb later removed by hand)
asciilifeform: billymg: not added. but possibly later removed in prb.
gregory4: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-03-01#1008251 << one of my favorite articles by MP was his rejection of IPv6.
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-03-01 14:38:20 asciilifeform: shinohai: this btw confirmed. i did experiment, if one sends that extra byte, prb noades do in fact send addrs. (and yes some of'em ipv6, have to be thrown out)
BingoBoingo back in the city
shinohai: wb BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: Have not yet found treasure unless watching the cast of Sea World eating each other in the wild counts
asciilifeform waves to BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo advises nature photography enthusiasts that Orcas are incredibly stealthly for their size
BingoBoingo: Shit wrong network
mats: https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/12/biden-covid-vaccination-campaign-499278 "Biden allied groups, including the Democratic National Committee, are also planning to engage fact-checkers more aggressively and work with SMS carriers to dispel misinformation about vaccines that is sent over social media and text messages."
mats: imagine the trump team sending text messages to remind people they actually won the election in 2020
mats: 'this msg brought to you by the US Federal Government'
billymg: mats: are they suggesting they'll just send spam or that if you send something they don't like the recipient will just see "[message redacted. click here to get the facts on the covid vaccine]"?
asciilifeform: classic production of the ministry of 'you, idjit plebes, will wank to death about $constructed_fake_issue while we brrrr with moneyprinter and give it to ourselves!'
billymg: asciilifeform: several euro countries now implementing movement restrictions based on vaccination status
billymg: i'm not sure if the vaccine is fake or not but i certainly don't trust them enough to let them stick me with any needles
mats: billymg: idk, maybe the correction will appear after you get it
mats: considering the proliferation of scientific expertise, pretty hard for me to take people seriously who say that the vaccine might be fake
billymg: mats: yeah, i don't think it's fake (as in saline solution)
mats: like there's a global cabal of professional scientists who are all in on it together
billymg: but i also don't see why i need it when 0.0001% chance of death or whatever for my age/health profile
mats: there is 'long covid'
mats: anyway, i don't really give a shit, its a problem that solves itself
mats: like bird and lime scooters
mats: and since lots of kids aren't getting the vax yet, its also a multigenerational solution
mats: sins of the father, etc
asciilifeform had the actual covid, and even got vaccine, can't be certain it wasn't saline -- experienced 0 of the palpable torments from the latter phobia-suffers obsessed with
asciilifeform: *sufferers
mats: my first shot was ez, second was debilitating for a day
billymg: asciilifeform: if you had actual covid, why the vaccine?
asciilifeform: billymg: theoretically if like other coronas ('common cold') immunity good for ~yr
asciilifeform: but as already said, felt like 'scam', 0 'bite'
billymg: i still don't understand the aggressive push for it, with "vaccine passports" and movement restrictions and the like
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-13 14:00:23 asciilifeform: classic production of the ministry of 'you, idjit plebes, will wank to death about $constructed_fake_issue while we brrrr with moneyprinter and give it to ourselves!'
mats: because a sizeable majority of the west is over 50, lol
mats: i could go either way on the vax push personally, it'd be great to accelerate the intergenerational wealth transfer from old to young, and west to east
mats: let the dummies cook
asciilifeform: there's a sizable population who don't want the fun to stop (covidiocy freed'em from commuteschwitz) so will come up with 'reasons', 'ohnoez, only 80% vaccined' etc
billymg: asciilifeform: 'mega delta plus variant'
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-13#1045829 << right, so why get it if young and healthy?
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-13 14:20:51 mats: i could go either way on the vax push personally, it'd be great to accelerate the intergenerational wealth transfer from old to young, and west to east
asciilifeform: sadly the 'scythe of the old' thing turned out to be disinfo
mats: because long covid
billymg: what did those olds ever do for me?
billymg: mats: i admit i'm not super familiar with 'long covid'
mats: i don't start from the premise that society needs to be protected, i'm looking out for my own interests
billymg: iirc thimbronion had it too (regular covid), said it was quite bad for a week or two, like bad flu
thimbronion: Hasn't been that long of a term
mats: covid could've been an unmitigated win for the west and china to kneecap everyone else
asciilifeform: cdc << lol what's next, links to usg.climatology dept?
mats: the rest of the planet's economy is still in the shit, and not likely to recover anytime soon
mats: and usa, de, ru, cn, get to dole out vax to people on side
mats: ya, next time ill link breitbart
thimbronion: Covid also conveniently "spreads asymptomatically." Was "scientifically proven" almost immediately.
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-13#1045842 << as in, too early to tell if might start having 'long covid' symptoms?
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-13 14:25:04 thimbronion: Hasn't been that long of a term
thimbronion: billymg: imo
billymg: gotcha
billymg: mats: i'm curious, in 2001 did you also believe 'patriot act' was for your protection?
asciilifeform: mats: you know how in the old days, sometimes robbers set a place on fire and then robbed as it burned ? that's what covidism was.
mats: no, billymg
asciilifeform: while breitbarts fight the antibreitbards, moneyprinter goes brr.
billymg: mats: i fail to see the difference between the two boogeymen
billymg: 'terrorism' and 'pandemic'
mats: am i being trolled right now
mats: good work everyone, had a laugh at my expense
asciilifeform: why, for instance, 'real estate up 2x' ? was there a ww2? destroyed 50% of houses in usa? no. was there mass migration, suddenly 2x as many people bidding? also no. which leaves #3 -- doubled monetary mass.
mats: there is in fact many more people bidding, lol
asciilifeform: 'people'
asciilifeform: speculators aint people, mats
mats: middle-upper class americans competing, and losing, against upper class
mats: eh, speculators are market mechanisms, this smells like the musk 'shorters are e-e-evil'
asciilifeform: mats: houses are for people to live in.
mats: builders are also not adding new supply, after deep trauma from the 08 crash
mats: sure, but monetised real estate is a side effect of infinite money
mats: there's the idealised view and then there's how it is
asciilifeform: mats: it doesn't seem like we disagree re 'what' is happening. but possibly disagree in pov. per asciilifeform , what it all is -- is a massive theft.
asciilifeform: theft by lizards of the very little remaining that they have not yet stolen from people.
mats: its a good time for theft, yeah
mats: i'm a little allergic to the 'covid is deliberate, [fort dietrick|chinamen] did it'
asciilifeform: it's a classic arson+theft. burn down economy, loot what little savings anyone had.
asciilifeform: just like in '90s ru
billymg: mats: i don't think covid was deliberate
billymg: i think the opportunists reaction to it was deliberate
billymg: opportunists'*
billymg: and not in good faith either
mats: i agree, and i don't know how to get from there to 'maybe the vax is fake'
mats: is it because i don't consume alt right media?
asciilifeform: mats: neither do i
mats: i get that smell from thimbronion, for example
mats: its not even because of ideology, those people just lie regularly and shamelessly, and its easier for me to suss out when the libs do it
mats: because they still have rules, and the lies are just less common
asciilifeform: mats: i regard the 'counter-usg dissidency' 'movement' as simply an arm of usg. certainly since this point.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-07 23:07:46 asciilifeform: ^ thread where no less than weev refused to host at pizarro. because ohnoez, mah dns, etc
asciilifeform: ( see also thread. the 'right'-flavoured organs in usa very unabashedly targeted to room-temp-iq folx. for their entire history of existence afaik. )
dulapbot: (trilema) 2016-11-01 asciilifeform: ~actual~ alternative affairs do not get airwave largesse from usg. they get banned, like isis-tentacle-not-pointed-ru-wards, and ddosed, like qntra.
dulapbot: (trilema) 2016-11-01 asciilifeform: and yes, being on that list apparently nominates you for EVERY pyramid scheme, herbal viagra, !!!!!!URGENT!!!!! faux-irs envelope, etc. scam in usa.
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-13#1045889 << did i read this right? is this in reference to the mostly peaceful protests last summer or...?
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-13 14:44:18 mats: because they still have rules, and the lies are just less common
mats: have you tried to watch foxnews anytime in the last two years? lol
billymg has never watched fox news
mats: politically, i'm supposed to be inclined to right wing media, as a social moderate/fiscal conservative, but its a nonstop barf
asciilifeform: mats: i don't watch 'newses' fullstop
asciilifeform: re covidism opportunists -- via this crackpot link found decent piece, imho, on subj.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-05 18:05:55 punkman: https://lukesmith.xyz/articles/only-use-old-computers << fella would have been prime tmsr candidate
mats: and its not like there are any fiscal conservatives in elected office afaik
asciilifeform: mats: there are not. not in usa.
asciilifeform: not 1 who advocates a cessation of 'brrr'.
asciilifeform: mats: i suspect this is a cultural diff , possibly; like e.g. lenin, asciilifeform sees 'pushers of middle grounds' as siding with the enemy.
mats: eh, i don't vote anyway
billymg: ^ same
asciilifeform: so no, there are no 'fiscal conservatives' in any position of actual influence in usa, there are only 'print slightly slower' advocates (if even this)
asciilifeform: from earlier piece : 'In reality, the ruling classes of the West have openly prepared to benefit from a pandemic scenario. COVID19 was deemed "closed enough" to a pandemic, and the momentum of the system took over. It's not even that they wanted it to happen, but they were prepped to benefit from it as a contingency plan if it might occur.'
mats: i'm on board with accelerationist qe now, might as well get it over with while the going's good
asciilifeform: mats: elaborate ?
asciilifeform: ( get what over with ? while what is good ? )
mats: when bitcoins and digital yuan proliferate, the party's over for usd
mats: but until then, there's no perceptible leakage while the printing continues
asciilifeform: mats: what would be different, from asciilifeform's position, in a new-reich where yuan replaces usd ?
mats: more inflation, downgraded national credit ratings
asciilifeform: ( does it actually matter which brand of money printer goes brr ? )
mats: some kind of return to hard money, and yes, it does matter
asciilifeform: that's the part of the syllogism i aint seeing
asciilifeform: this 'return to hard money' has been prophecied for 100+y
asciilifeform: never seems to happen. for the imho obv. reason that 'soft theft' via inflation is much cheaper (and less risks war) than 'hard theft' via open force
asciilifeform: so it won out. rather how 'soft brainwash' won over the 'hard' type associated w/ 1930s europe
mats: since close out of ww2, there's never been a real strategic alternative to usd
mats: i don't see the americans and the chinese cooperating on printing, when the social and economic mechanics are so different
asciilifeform: mats: wasn't supposing they would cooperate; rather, got the picture that in mats's cosmography, they reverse roles (e.g. cn prints printolade, usa supplies cheap slave labour)
mats: and, beijing regularly exerts real power over its corps, like the didi and antfinancial skullfucking in the last year
mats: interestingly, the biden antitrust has been decidedly warmed over and watery
asciilifeform: really, surprised ?
thimbronion: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-13#1045887 << mats doesn't have a smell? Congrats. You are completely original and unique.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-13 14:43:01 mats: i get that smell from thimbronion, for example
mats: i was hopeful
signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-13#1045824 << I got the Moderna shot, significant immune response to the second one. chills to the point of tremors.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-13 14:18:12 asciilifeform: but as already said, felt like 'scam', 0 'bite'
signpost: which made me glad, as "did something"
signpost: I figured my choices were "get chunk of the virus, or all"
asciilifeform: signpost: interesting.
asciilifeform: signpost: i had 'pfizer', 0 'bite'.
asciilifeform: possib. simply because already had the genuine article, fuck knows.
signpost: yeah, outside my area to say
mats: thimbronion: for me, there's a qualitative difference between pouring gasoline on the alt right fire (i approve), and huffing from the gas before the pouring
asciilifeform not from 'vaccine phobic' culture, had full orchestra of various, incl. against smallpox, etc that no longer served up in usa. recalls episode in BingoBoingostan where 'don't drink from this cup! this is the mumps cup!' asciilifeform drinks, onlookers recoil in horror
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-13 14:40:18 billymg: i think the opportunists reaction to it was deliberate
thimbronion: mats: must be nice having direct access to the truth.
mats: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/alethepedia/2020-12-04#1001516 << its stuff like this, molyneux is a scrub
dulapbot: (alethepedia) 2020-12-04 thimbronion: gregorynyssa: My sources are all second hand, referenced mainly in podcasts like Freedomain radio. He references and interviews several IQ researchers.
mats: 'philosophy show', christ
thimbronion: mats: sarcasm is unpersuasive.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: can't speak for mats, but i suspect his contention is 'don't bite the obvious crankbait'
dulapbot: (trilema) 2016-11-22 asciilifeform: aka crankbait.
thimbronion: mats: Go on the daily show or whatever.
punkman has not vaccinated yet. We have around 80 deaths under 40yo in the country (out of13k total). It seems to me that efficacy is gonna end up at 50-60% in the field. And while they were saying "1 in million haz adverse effect", there are about 10 serious adverse events in local population of 150k vaccinated.
asciilifeform: punkman: in ru they were counting e.g. car crash victims as 'covid death', and i expect similar elsewhere.
asciilifeform: 90yo keels over from pneumonia ? covid.
punkman: dying "with" covid is SOP almost everywhere
mats: theres only 13k people under 40 in gr? holy shit
mats: how does anyone fuck?
punkman: some people went to court about death of relative, judge ruled malpractice in regards to intubation
punkman: mats, 13k deaths
mats: or is that your island
mats: ohh
punkman: most of the "covid cases" are in under 40 group
signpost: most likely problem with mrna vax imho is that it is too specific, and just provides evolutionary pressure for new protein spikes.
signpost: as discussed by bret weinstein et al
signpost: see: delta variant etc
punkman: there's the Novavax thing, nanolipid covered with spikes, no mrna/adenovirus
punkman: delta seems even less lethal
punkman: even the common symptoms have shifted, #1 is headache/runny nose now
signpost: yep, which is why I thank the unvaccinated masses for putting pressure on making it more mild
punkman: I'm only worried about the "long covid" but all the studies I've read were, let's say, not that great.
punkman: lots of things common with chronic fatigue syndromes and other such bullshit
asciilifeform: will be Officially as lethal or non-lethal as the muppetmasters want it as the play unfolds.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-13 14:51:05 asciilifeform: re covidism opportunists -- via this crackpot link found decent piece, imho, on subj.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-13 14:38:51 asciilifeform: theft by lizards of the very little remaining that they have not yet stolen from people.
asciilifeform: the fishwraps will report the desired mix of horror stories or miraculous cures, as req'd.
asciilifeform: vaccine will be 100% effective, or 0%, as needed.
punkman: I don't even know anyone that got covid
punkman: closest is girl's uncle/aunt
punkman: btw, Pfizer CEO is greek jew
punkman: they paraded him on TV for a while
asciilifeform: upstack -- why would the process of crown & corp. merging that took place errywhere else, not run its course in china ?
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-13 15:06:17 mats: and, beijing regularly exerts real power over its corps, like the didi and antfinancial skullfucking in the last year
punkman: we had all kinds of crazy "measures"/bans. Curfew at 6/9/12pm for many months. Banned travel to diff city/county unless for work/"important reasons". Banned fishing/hunting for a long time. "Banned" surgeries at hospital. Schools/unis closed for very long time.
asciilifeform: really is an effect of industrialization, which is centralizing; result can be stalin, hitler, or fdr-flavoured, but otherwise very similar, there is no such thing as 'multiple elites' in a civilization in long term
asciilifeform: punkman: 'ban surgeries' happened here also ; was straight-out massacre of pensioners by the state
asciilifeform: y'know, exactly what the lizards accused the anti-quarantine folx of doing
punkman: of course all "entertainment" banned. then banned unless outside and sitting. then banned music at all bars.
asciilifeform: punkman: aka 'shit test'
asciilifeform: 'how much shit can we make the plebes eat, with how little rebellion'
punkman: now they got new thing. Venues can choose to be "covid-free" or "mixed". First is only for vaxxed and had-covid people, second everyone but must at least have neg rapid test. First allowed to be indoors, second only outdoors.
punkman: I don't think anyone can even keep track, keeps changing every other day
asciilifeform: punkman: observe , this was the tactic since the beginning, change Official truth faster than anyone can reasonably work out a response
asciilifeform: gotta maintain the 'sense of urgency' and mass psychosis.
asciilifeform: plebes can wank over whether vaccine installs windows 10 'pro' in your hippocampus; while lizards cackle over the 2x prices yer paying for errything, and their real estate & stock portfolios 'to the moon' directly at your expense
punkman: news said 10 new billionaires made from the vaccines already
punkman: EU has already ordered enough vax for 2023
asciilifeform: punkman: small change compared to the great theft .
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-13 14:38:31 asciilifeform: mats: it doesn't seem like we disagree re 'what' is happening. but possibly disagree in pov. per asciilifeform , what it all is -- is a massive theft.
asciilifeform: y'know , the 1 where plebe now expected to pay 2-3x for the SAME FUCKING CARBOARD BOX he lived in '19 in.
punkman: Mykonos reached 105% vax rate, here in Crete hovering around 35-40%
asciilifeform: 105 << lol!
asciilifeform: (is biden's 'approval rating' 105% yet??)
punkman: (temp residents, travelers and such)
punkman: but yeah, funny
asciilifeform: rly, tourists come and 'hm i forgot, lemme get vaccine' ?
signpost was "tourist" to a shitty town in east texas because nobody there wanted the supply
signpost: curious if it's this
punkman: back to "I don't know anyone that actually got covid", but I know 2 people with recurring headaches after vax.
signpost: punkman: somewhat suspicious of folks lifting existing paranoia onto an easy target to blame, but sure, could be a side effect.
signpost: i.e. the spikes causing autoimmune issues
mats: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-13#1045983 well, what i'm saying here is that xjp is reining in potential sources of financial contagion. where the americans failed to manage the subprime collapse.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-13 15:29:04 asciilifeform: upstack -- why would the process of crown & corp. merging that took place errywhere else, not run its course in china ?
mats: beijing demonstrating some measure of competence
punkman: gonna be spectacular when that huge CN dam bursts
mats: to be clear, the contagion was ant financial, didi was just trying to sneak one past the politburo
punkman: was trying to buy FFP3 masks in Feb 2020, everyone I called "sorry chinaman bought us out".
mats: personally, i'd like to see the americans and chinese beat each other into a stalemate, that's a formula for world peace
mats: like if beijing sailed on taiwan.
punkman: hard to say who's more incompetent, CN has more bodies for sure, probably more drones too
punkman: Turkey is going big on the drone manufacturing, kinda worrying for Greece
mats: heh, the azeri-armeni war was instructive
mats: armenian
asciilifeform: oh hey 'bay of pigs'-2 ?
asciilifeform not astonished; with fuhrer dead, 'colour revolution' was a 'when', not an 'if'
mats: lol, thats a reverse bay of pigs, cubans fleeing for miami
asciilifeform: mats: mno ?
asciilifeform: mats: 'Así parten desde Miami miles y miles de Cubanos armados hacia Cuba para ayudar a su gente a luchar contra la dictadura castrocomunista. '
asciilifeform: nuffin reverse about it
asciilifeform: mats: (or is your thought that the photo is of sop 'reverse', and bogo-captioned..?)
mats: ah, my spanish sucks
mats: misread
punkman: lol. also below article: "Homeland Security Secretary says U.S. authorities will be watching for Cubans and Haitians trying to come by sea."
asciilifeform: lol i.e. 'plz wait for 1 of the 364 d in yr when a++ ok to come on rowboat'
asciilifeform: from above fishwrap, lulz, 'The Fed and the White House have made clear their belief that the current bout of inflation will prove temporary.'
asciilifeform: ^ 'temporary' via same magick as makes for Official inflation rate in single digits (i.e. exclude housing)
punkman: "The Fed is aiming for inflation to exceed its target of 2% for some time to make up for the fact that inflation fell below that level for most of the past decade. The Fed wants inflation to average 2% over time to prevent Americans' inflation expectations from falling too low."
punkman: well as long as the proles don't get any of the money, they can keep it going
punkman: but it leaks eventually
punkman: ECB printed just as much over here
asciilifeform: punkman: proles get, lizards reharvest it in rents, and so ad infinitum
punkman: same Price Index scam, even codified into "community law", every country must diddle their own CPI in same way
signpost: this is the real answer to "where's all the inflation"
asciilifeform: signpost: it's in there. and in the prices of just about errything else.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-13 15:40:34 asciilifeform: y'know , the 1 where plebe now expected to pay 2-3x for the SAME FUCKING CARBOARD BOX he lived in '19 in.
asciilifeform: and very much optimized to punish 'terrorists' who refuse to run debt.
signpost: sure, and that's "managed capitalism" in the same way as "managed democracy"
asciilifeform: 'aah, asciilifeform , you won't mortgage? well enjoy smoking that dough, cuz that's all you'll be able to do with it in 5y'
asciilifeform: signpost: same folx doing the 'managing'
asciilifeform: in both cases. in all cases.
signpost: I think to punkman's point, prole cornfood isn't hyperinflating because the BRRRRRR's flowing into the casino
signpost: the cornfood is a command-economy matter.
asciilifeform: indeed is. actual food, such as e.g. asciilifeform is able to find, is up ~200% tho
signpost: aha, same
asciilifeform: and going 'to the moon'
vex: talisman sabre war games oficially start today
vex: lots of the fun happens underwater
dpb: vex, check out http://atruechurch.info/ and don't go to hell like the rest of the world!
vex: thanks dazza, I always think of you when I think of Jesus
vex: ty
vex: I'm interested about BingoBoingos orcas. I've never seen said beast
vex: much like submarine, they can supposedly run on silent until time to move
vex: if they had torpeedos they'd be quite frigthening indeed
vex: quietly ungluing coins from the sea/floor is another problem
vex: have ypou played with buterin's machine asciilifeform?
vex: mp obstensibly claimed to have auditied the first dao
vex: he never did too much without help
verisimilitude: I won't get the supposed vaccine. I also had the virus, and actually had to take cold medicine to get over it. I won't be guilted into doing what's supposedly in my best interest.
vex: thine best interest
verisimilitude: That's ``thy best interest'', vex; it's like ``a'' and ``an''.
vex: pseudoephedrine & ascorbic acid ftw
vex: old english isn't my storng suit. I like hearing your write it tho
verisimilitude: I'm glad thou enjoyest it.
verisimilitude: Mine isn't perfect, but I'm a master at rephrasing my thoughts until I can be perfect in expressing them.
vex: don't test it near signpost. he's from texas
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-13#1046074 << nope, and can't think of any reason to; life is too short to play with centralized shitcoins imho
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-13 22:37:15 vex: have ypou played with buterin's machine asciilifeform?
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-13 22:40:42 vex: mp obstensibly claimed to have auditied the first dao
vex: I agree bullshit
vex: I do like readfing about audits tho. shino reported the on your chan for a while... now too often
asciilifeform: outta curiosity, vex , and i dun recall whether already answered, but -- do you work for dough ?
vex: i'll stick to my previous story, just mow the lawn, and check investments
asciilifeform: ( cuz asciilifeform does. and so does not have time to dig in erry possible dumpster on whole planet... )
vex: I also never tell truth, except when do
asciilifeform: it's ~2300hrs here and asciilifeform is fixing $unspeakablecrud for $client.
asciilifeform: and similarly on most days.
asciilifeform: this in re: 'but have you tried xyz shitcoin!'
vex: noones going to change alf
asciilifeform must bbl, the liquishit aint gonna drink itself
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