gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-11-02#1024128 << the computing industry in China is dominated by people who attended university in America and who harbor pro-American sentiments.
snsabot: (asciilifeform) 2020-11-02 asciilifeform: mats: it aint clear to me why 'chinese, national' cpu has to be made at enemy's tmsc.
gregorynyssa: sorry I meant to write that in the other channel.
gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/alethepedia/2020-12-02#1001381 << FYI, Duke of Qin (the source of these quotes) and gmachine1729.co
snsabot: Logged on 2020-12-02 14:06:21 asciilifeform: thimbronion: pretty lulzy www. fella agitates for 'return china to cultural roots and isolation' aand doin' it in... english
gregorynyssa: FYI, Duke of Qin (the source of these quotes) and gmachine1729.com are two different people. Duke of Qin settled in America after growing up in Singapore, and intends to naturalize. "gmachine1729" is a second-generation American citizen who moved to China.
gregorynyssa: "gmachine1729" is nearly fluent in Russian and has been an advocate of teaching Russian instead of English as one's second language.
gregorynyssa: here is his other blog which is hosted by Livejournal: http://gmachine1729.livejournal.com/
gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/alethepedia/2020-12-02#1001426 << I am friends with a few, yea.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-12-02 16:13:00 thimbronion: gregorynyssa: have you ever met any CCP members?
gregorynyssa: I know a thing or two about the CCP culture, in case asciilifeform or thimbronion have any questions.
thimbronion: gregorynyssa: I think we were speculating about how the people who actually control China (CCP) think vs. Duke of Qin and spandrell.
gregorynyssa: thimbronion: very differently, I can tell you.
gregorynyssa: Duke of Qin doesn't speak for China. he grew up in Singapore and has settled in the USA. soon he will be an American.
gregorynyssa: I need to look into this Spandrell person. hadn't heard of him before.
thimbronion: !s spandrell
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gregorynyssa: looking at it right now. oh man.. he is part of the HBD circle
gregorynyssa: Bell Curve! Charles Murray! Steve Sailer!!
gregorynyssa: gmachine1729.com also subscribes to that crowd, but unlike Duke of Qin, he has an insider's perspective
thimbronion: gregorynyssa: while I don't disagree with the theory that different groups of people have different IQs on average, I also have to look at how ineffective the hbd crowd has been at accomplishing anything.
gregorynyssa: to clarify, by insider's perspective, I meant regarding Chinese society.
thimbronion: gregorynyssa: and I am also disturbed by the near universal rejection of Bitcoin amongst them. Smells weird.
gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/alethepedia/2020-12-04#1001474 << interesting observation. I have a few ideas regarding why that is.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-12-04 10:05:15 thimbronion: gregorynyssa: while I don't disagree with the theory that different groups of people have different IQs on average, I also have to look at how ineffective the hbd crowd has been at accomplishing anything.
gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/alethepedia/2020-12-04#1001476 << now that is strange. is Unz Review generally anti-Bitcoin?
snsabot: Logged on 2020-12-04 10:07:32 thimbronion: gregorynyssa: and I am also disturbed by the near universal rejection of Bitcoin amongst them. Smells weird.
thimbronion: gregorynyssa: I can't recall them mentioning Bitcoin once. They must have, I'm sure, but it certainly hasn't been a focus of theirs.
thimbronion: Might be insteresting to add Unz to the search index.
thimbronion: gregorynyssa: In any case, I would be very interested to hear your thoughts on CCP thinking vs. HBD/NRX thinking.
thimbronion: thoughts or observations
gregorynyssa: I think the American HBD crowd has their thinking seriously clouded by Burkean Conservatism.
gregorynyssa: Chinese people are more amenable to some HBD concepts owing to their lack of proximity to religion
gregorynyssa: but they have difficulty connecting with the HBD community as its stands owing to their non-Burkeanism.
gregorynyssa: moreover, the espousal of HBD might be suppressed within China owing to the Chairman's renewal of commitment to Marxist orthodoxy.
gregorynyssa: as you know, Marxist orthodoxy inherently revolves around class-warfare, so discussions of race may be considered a threat.
gregorynyssa: I read some of the postings of this "spandrell" person. reminds me of "mats" if I may say so.
thimbronion: gregorynyssa: spandrell is a white dude though
gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/alethepedia/2020-12-04#1001491 << oh? since he quotes Duke of Qin and Steve Hsu, I thought he was part of that Chinese American Unz circle. nevermind.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-12-04 10:43:59 thimbronion: gregorynyssa: spandrell is a white dude though
thimbronion: gregorynyssa: What aspect of HBD is Burkean?
gregorynyssa: granted, the HBD advocates don't use the same arguments as the Reagan Conservatives
gregorynyssa: but they still end up constantly implying things such as: that the possession and cultivation of friendships and
gregorynyssa: family-relationships is inherently virtuous
gregorynyssa: that evil people face inherent difficulties in trying to attain friendships and family-relationships
gregorynyssa: that moral virtue is based on the possession and cultivation of one's senses.
gregorynyssa: Dr Jordan Peterson's teachings, for instance, are simply a reformulation of Conservative principles in terms which Atheists can understand and embrace
gregorynyssa: in the end, the HBD crowd rediscovers the very essence of Conservative thought (but some members of this crowd think
gregorynyssa: it is somehow original to HBD, being highly ignorant of history) and that essence is:
gregorynyssa: that evil, sin, and crime, are not forces in themselves, but mere offshoots of the larger problem of eccentricity.
thimbronion: gregorynyssa: I didn't get that from HBD at all - If I could summarize it it would be: You can't have the benefits of Western Civilization w/o the nations that generated it in the first place.
gregorynyssa: I don't have the sources with me right now, but I have seen plenty of articles arguing that what is unique
gregorynyssa: about Western civilization is precisely that its constituents, owing to their genetics, had sharper senses than other
gregorynyssa: races, a consequence of which was that their relationships with each other were deeper and more genuine
thimbronion: gregorynyssa: Interesting. This is new to me.
gregorynyssa: there was this Race Realist blog called "faith and tradition" or something like that, which basically
gregorynyssa: focused on justifying the very idea through a scriptural basis.
thimbronion: gregorynyssa: What I've read has mostly been observational rather than theoretical. Just case after case of western civ failing to take hold in non-european populations with full access to european literature and science.
gregorynyssa: btw. Spandrell quotes Dr Henry Makow, who is also a Burkean
gregorynyssa: thimbronion: feel free to recommend some books or online articles.
gregorynyssa: I am not that well read with regard to HBD literature, but what I have seen definitely overlapped with the Burkean community.
thimbronion: gregorynyssa: having not read Burke it's quite possible I missed any and all queues.
thimbronion: gregorynyssa: My sources are all second hand, referenced mainly in podcasts like Freedomain radio. He references and interviews several IQ researchers.
gregorynyssa: fyi. Burke himself isn't even that important since his teachings have been refined and updated over the generations
gregorynyssa: major 20th century proponents of Burkeanism: Kirk Russell, William F Buckley, Joseph Sobran, Mortimer Adler
gregorynyssa: Edward Feser, Sir Roger Scruton
gregorynyssa: even CS Lewis, who is basically the theological version of Burke.
thimbronion: gregorynyssa: it's hard for me to muster up the will to read much of it, given how the movement has so spectacularly failed.
gregorynyssa: thimbronion: understandable.
gregorynyssa: but you see, I think the Alt Right will succeed
gregorynyssa: the suppression of the Alt Right is not really a partisan issue, but a generational one
gregorynyssa: it is the last gasp of the aging Baby Boomers who are struggling to stay relevant.
gregorynyssa: Curtis Yarvin
gregorynyssa: expressed similar tho
gregorynyssa: * expressed similar thoughts: https://americanmind.org/features/the-deep-state-vs-the-deep-right/
gregorynyssa: the Alt Right simply needs to bide its time, to wait for the Baby Boomers to fade away
gregorynyssa: correct me if I have grossly misjudged the situation haha..
thimbronion: gregorynyssa: perhaps you are right in one respect - the Boomers have successfully consumed all the capital generated by previous generations, and the only way forward for the next generation if it wishes to survive is to take *reality* into account.
gregorynyssa: thimbronion: that generation was really fortunate to have grown up in a high-prosperity, low-competition vacuum.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/alethepedia/2020-12-04#1001481 << they're, to a man, former (or, more hilariously -- current!!) goldtards. the kind who emit the most egregious sort of FUD, composed in fact largely of the nonsense they tell themselves to sleep at night
snsabot: Logged on 2020-12-04 10:12:34 thimbronion: gregorynyssa: I can't recall them mentioning Bitcoin once. They must have, I'm sure, but it certainly hasn't been a focus of theirs.
snsabot: (trilema) 2017-12-22 asciilifeform: 'You know it is one thing to think gold has some marvelous store of value because man has no way of inventing more gold or getting it very easily, so it has the advantage of rarity. Believe me, man is capable of somehow creating more bitcoin. … They tell you there are rules and they can't do it. Don't believe them. When there is enough incentive, bad things will happen.'
asciilifeform: this is pestilential among anglotard 'right' / 'alt-right' / etc. folx. to the point that i can't recall ~one~ who did not at some point show symptoms.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/alethepedia/2020-12-04#1001504 << from cn pov, they've all the benefits they ~want~.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-12-04 10:59:28 thimbronion: gregorynyssa: I didn't get that from HBD at all - If I could summarize it it would be: You can't have the benefits of Western Civilization w/o the nations that generated it in the first place.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/alethepedia/2020-12-04#1001521 << what would 'succeeding' even look like there ?!
snsabot: Logged on 2020-12-04 11:18:44 thimbronion: gregorynyssa: it's hard for me to muster up the will to read much of it, given how the movement has so spectacularly failed.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/alethepedia/2020-12-04#1001531 << if the current 20-30yo gen. 'took reality into account', would wagner+cyanide. like in berlin '45. cuz, elementarily, 'musical chairs'. without even so many chairs.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-12-04 11:28:17 thimbronion: gregorynyssa: perhaps you are right in one respect - the Boomers have successfully consumed all the capital generated by previous generations, and the only way forward for the next generation if it wishes to survive is to take *reality* into account.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-10-01 16:16:58 asciilifeform: and naturally can't speak for erryone, but asciilifeform , per Official stats, closer to '5%' than 10 in usa , but does not live in anyffin resembling the setting of film 'home alone' . (but at least not in debt..)