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ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: in theory the logs are endlessly educational! in practice, learning takes practice.
ben_vulpes: can't buy sheetrock nor coin without waylaying stagecoaches, asciilifeform.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: politely decline, but should the merry bandits catch the tax collector's carriage unawares i know where to place my buy orders.
ben_vulpes: either tending to my manorial lands, or carving my fortune out of passing stagecoaches, depending on the day. the glittering court, most elevated discourses, high-octane cultronium etc readily distract me from the husbandry that capitalizes. also http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-29#1875979 spooked me.
ben_vulpes: nothing so exciting; simply stacking up a tiny pile of variously purple and pink 'greenbacks' to exchange for sheetrock and buttcorns.
ben_vulpes: ty asciilifeform, but it'll be short and i'll dive for some more time yet.
ben_vulpes: heya mod6
ben_vulpes: place is the 3rd or 4th largest population-wise and has much more humility and concomittantly a vastly greater depth to the sell-side of pretty much everything.
ben_vulpes: for all that the place is nominally filled with capitalists, nobody here drives like time is a rapidly exhausting resource. i seem to have landed in a town largely flavored like portland. nobody knows how to make coffee, and the region doesn't produce much by way of wine. but! where portland was the largest metropolis for a good hundred and fifty miles in any direction (and cavorted with airs to match), this
ben_vulpes: ty BingoBoingo
ben_vulpes: noches, todos
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-16#1835094 << i did not know that statically-compiled mysql was solved; is it?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: couldn't get your pg to work; psql shits out with "symbol not found"
ben_vulpes: robo-production, or ripe for surfacing through mp-wp.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, BingoBoingo: here's the accounting-side statement for november: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Xfsgf/?raw=true . production of these numbers is largely automatic, the stitching together is largely manual. now that i've coughed up november's numbers, i'll go back and apply this methodology to regenerating september and october statements, in the process identifying the bits to mechanize for future
ben_vulpes: who's the anniez character?
ben_vulpes: typically a quiet desperate plea for more than three neurons that flash when rubbed against each other. it's rare! desirable! easier to say you want it and pray the filter works than to go out and filter.
ben_vulpes: random return of db contents sorta related to what one asked for not so readily distinguishable from ai engagement-driving recommendations. toddlers put stuff in their mouths to figure out wtf it is, news at at eleven.
ben_vulpes: ty BingoBoingo
ben_vulpes: hallucinations of control over 'our kommyunity!'
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: thanks
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: one's a four-month period and the other a three-, does the hosting subscription start a month before the rockchip?
ben_vulpes: i long ago gave up on the notion that i'd be working on anything approaching techne in american corpistan; but to wail about it instead of ekeing some amount of capital out seems fruitless. lessons of Mocky and phf instructive here.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'm not saying that i *like* this world, but that i'm going to eke fortune i can with the tools and men at hand.
ben_vulpes: and yet steam engine needs a governor asciilifeform; factories gotta crank, ben_vulpeses gotta shepherd cows through funnels.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-05#1878457 << i would dearly love a compiler i could tell "please figure out how we X and write a one-pager for review", but this stinks of sv aiwilldoeverythingism
ben_vulpes: that postgres can build an index concurrently under load was pretty valuable just today, and nobody over here had to write it.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878282 << still quite a bit of value in sqlthings in managing fungible programmers. in the same way that common lisp fails at making cogs, mmmapped custom $whatever can be marvelously conservative of time and space, fit entirely in head, and also be anti-cog.
ben_vulpes: ah no, i missed log lines. both cleared?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: please also stand up a postgres somewhere convenient for me to import and continue to work on this spreadsheet; this is ready for you to do your own data entry on fiat/btc incoming/outgoing
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: logs suggest we have 2 outstanding wires; i don't suppose either have cleared yet, have they?
ben_vulpes: write the calculator of change in customer equity account for a given month (which is the biggest manual backbreaker); after that i will do depreciation on the tangibles by hand, update assets and liabilities tables.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: data entry of btc transactions and usd transactions is complete; data entry for prepaid customers and monthly paying customers is quite nearly so. BingoBoingo: please dig through notes and break customer nrCgvFMWCqpO's october payment into one for the rockchip and another for the shell. since they have different time horizons, they need separate subscriptions. asciilifeform: next thing i do is
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: now that would be some grade a arbitrage, if i could squeeze utility out of such
ben_vulpes: aaah yes precisely. has an ee phd! from back when that meant something, even.
ben_vulpes: and lol, save thanks for delivery, both of ye
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: sorry, i don't follow
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876430 << old-timey DSP/IC gent i hired for degrading mobile ui work recently overheard myself and teh boss riffing on john denver; boggled: "that music is older than either of you! in chorus: "sure beats ~anything recorded in our lifetimes, though"
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: send me pizarro transactions s'il vous plait, note payments for service in advance; i'll put them into the hopper and produce statement numbers. asciilifeform: next girthy table and calculation to write is the customer equity tracker, i will draft and populate with historical data over the next few days and let you know if i hit any puzzlers (low odds, i'm well-acquainted with the process).
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i've sketched out a set of tables that could hold all pizarro data accounting data and generate statements; the only remaining puzzlers are modeling subscriptions, prepay, and asset depreciation. would you like me to complete the design, put sql to disk and turn this into an accounting spreadsheet for pizarro?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i believe this report settles the reported discrepancies. i will have to respond to queries asynchronously, as i'm traveling for the next week.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, mod6, BingoBoingo: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/tHcxD/?raw=true (these missives have not been encrypted, only signed. if any would like to read, please do.)
ben_vulpes: amend that question to include the detail that *your* submitted ledger does not contain either of those transactions.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: why does mod6's ledger show a transaction for 0.1 btc to you on august 12th and then back from you on august 17th? it doesn't affect the accounting, but i am perplexed as you both stated that your ledgers in these shared notes contained all of your pizarro transactions with noted exceptions that do not include that transaction.
ben_vulpes: mod6: why does the net change in pizarro's cash account for august not equal the difference between the sum of incoming and outgoing cash transactions?
ben_vulpes: in retrospect, doing any of this in pm was entirely unnecessary and counterproductive.
ben_vulpes: works for me, ty
ben_vulpes: mod6: sorry for the obtuse ask last night. it's not strictly necessary, but i would like you to corroborate that i wrote those two lines to you in a private message on that date. if you grep for "once i get your signoff", you'll find what i'm talking about.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-18#1873457 << that's the transfer from a trb wallet to my deedbot account, notice that 'tx_to' is 'ben_vulpes'
ben_vulpes: tragically intimate, ftr
ben_vulpes: clickin buttons in bezosnet and mashin tab in intellij?
ben_vulpes: provided the shit getting done is largely the same time and again.
ben_vulpes: one of the things dbs are good for is the shared spreadshit and enforcement of only one way of saying things. razoring off places to get creative is a boon to getting shit done.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: i certainly will on both points, although not tonight. i don't see sticking subscriptions into a db as a particularly difficult thing at all.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: glad to be of service
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i will let you know if i need more time to finish the august audit by tomorrow eve.
ben_vulpes: mod6: i ask for your corroboration of a log line in that letter.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, mod6, BingoBoingo: the mistake in july's statement is all mine: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/POt9B/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-12#1871452 << i assumed this to be an 'ack'
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-12#1871431
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-15#1872282 << asciilifeform i estimated weds to determine if i had what with to find the error, and followed up later with a gpggram saying i would deliver the errors in the two months in which i found errors.
ben_vulpes: bbl
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: after i find these two roots, i would gladly serve and spreadsheetize this into the pizarro mysql/mp-wp
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/dQWPC/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: viewport was way down in the ledgers.
ben_vulpes: ah it's in the shared notes, i see.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: do you have a provisional statement for october?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: ty
ben_vulpes: prior to september 7th, i mean.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: 2 q's: how much pizarro btc were you holding in your deedbot account as of september 7, and how much elsewhere?
ben_vulpes: in addition to the furnace door being taped on and the dishwasher motor being burned out, the washing machine drain hose is trying to wiggle itself free today.
ben_vulpes: ty mod6
ben_vulpes: ty BingoBoingo
ben_vulpes: i'm walking from july forward, comparing cash position on the pizarro book at the end of each month to cash held for pizarro in both of your accounts, want to ensure that i'm not rolling any personal transactions into the calculations.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo mod6: are there any non-pizarro transactions in the ledger outputs that i have from both of you?
ben_vulpes: i will find where it came from.
ben_vulpes: i could dig up the reams of satoshi-addition on my eng pad if it would ease your mind
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i betcha you're conflating my confusion in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1809642 with there being a program written.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i will know when this discrepancy crept in by wednesday.
ben_vulpes: i'm thinking that i actually want to rerun the numbers at sept, because i was damned certain that everything was kosher at that point.
ben_vulpes: no.
ben_vulpes: footsoldiering task for me: regrind financials from april forward, april being the second-to-last time i audited cash held against statement claims (last time was before handoff to mod6, the correctness of which mod6 apparently doubts per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1870970 )
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: never existed. i tabulated in org-mode and did all of the calculations by hand.
ben_vulpes: (ftr about 8 days behind on log, eating from both ends atm)
ben_vulpes: ~bedtime until ~midnight by memory), then at least another four to check my results, which frequently included mistakes like mis-markings of which services which customers had paid for and for how long.
ben_vulpes: it may be an 0.3s job to you or one of the ladies that you've trained. every time i sat down to categorize the list of incoming/outgoing into cash account vs customer equity; depreciate the hardware; walk the customer list to determine how much to debit the customer equity line; calculate the value of the btc and uyu i spent about eight hours on it in i estimate in retrospect two four hour shifts (from
ben_vulpes: it takes quite a bit of time, and is full of manual ops, missteps on any of which foul the whole thing. my inclination is always to automate these and sweat the correctness of the automation instead of the correctness of the process again and again.
ben_vulpes: and i never used a program because, (again cannot find the log link in reasonable-response time) at one point i was working on a schema for tracking customers and what they were paying for and mircea_popescu said something along the lines of "wtf this is a simple text file and accounting problem"
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1871118 << i never used a program. i documented and shared the accounting process with mod6 when i took sabbatical. i lack the log link atm but here's a copy of my original instructions http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/8YtMo/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: will be making new contacts in the next month to find a shared cab for racking the foundation machine i lugged across the continent
ben_vulpes: and workstation back online. gentoo happily boots from its original sata port on the motherboard, but hangs at "loading the kernel" when that drive is plugged into any other other sata port.
ben_vulpes: Mocky: there's not much stomaching involved with operating an mp-wp. it's a pretty feature-complete blog; if you really want a custom template you can buy one.
ben_vulpes: > com.trilema.blog
ben_vulpes: not much to report, still assembling personal workstation
ben_vulpes: waves
ben_vulpes: mod6 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the remaining stateside fuckgoats are packed in a specific box that i will relocate with my person.
ben_vulpes: reading satoshi's varint gave me no ends of headaches with binary-types, i eventually cheated out
ben_vulpes: apologies for the stink
ben_vulpes: it is pretty novice cl; heavily java-flavored clos
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ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: www.cascadianhacker.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/blockparser.tgz
ben_vulpes: i'm sure that i did but cannot recall where immediately, sec
ben_vulpes: fence is done, transpocubes for possesions arrive tomorrow. house still unleased and one car yet needing transportation scheduled. other than that, girl and child fly out soon, and i drive out with dog shortly before.
ben_vulpes: i've since just cut over to using postgres' own godly datetime knobs because a) better in every way b) works with timezones trivially
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-14#1862478 i lost a few hours to cl-postgres/postmodern/simple date over the past two months; there is now some cl-postgres-simple-date-glue package that needs loading in order for postmodern to use its local-date set of classes. once upon a time loading simple-date after cl-postgres was enough to get the mechanisms in place.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-12#1861273 << largeish place, live music of poor quality on the first floor, asciilifeform and i had the top balcony to ourselves for an hour at least
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: both are logging, mine has a gap of several days i must stitch in.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-08#1859623 << this is what happened to that node when i ran it without the increased aggression patch
ben_vulpes: phones to line up nexthouse like a champ; the only things left are to get someone to install grates over the roof vents, rent the house, and skeeeeeedaddle.
ben_vulpes: in boring meatnyooz i liquidated the corvette (at a 16 2/3% loss from purchase, notbad given the damage i did to it experimenting with exciting nonstandard control regimes), hired cleaners, scheduled pianoanchor for transfer to a good friend remaining in libtardistan, basement is packed; girl has mucked augean stables of corporeal art school baggage, booked temporary housing at $dest and has been working the
ben_vulpes: apologies for the degredation in service, i have personal irc logs and will stitch them back into history
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: tyvm for bringing that to my attention. i dropped the ball on service cutover. as mp astutely observed, the temporary host for these services is not a cuntoo, but some heathen convenience, conveniently different enough from my normal remote home that the logger for the ircbot refused to start, which (somehow!!!!!) fouled the bot's self reboot capabilities.
ben_vulpes: mod6: iron safely stowed
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-04#1857945 << https://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/tsla/stock-report 170,593,000 so they say
ben_vulpes: tearing personal and foundation iron out of hometown dc, bbl
ben_vulpes: the many sleepless nights of the rural amphet didn't help.
ben_vulpes: sad fate to be remembered for failing to take out agents of the imperium given ~unlimited time and inclination to prepare.
ben_vulpes: http://archive.fo/WeQ7Q << ruralia continues to deliver lulz: "booby trapped wheelchair", "hot tub attached to tripwire" "elder abuse"
ben_vulpes: mod6: ack
ben_vulpes: i was going to ask for a traceroute
ben_vulpes: that's odd, i'll look
ben_vulpes: those reluctant to diddle /etc/hosts without seeing signed material first may: curl --header 'Host: cascadianhacker.com' 216.151.13.77/dns_update.txt
ben_vulpes: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/2cESi/?raw=true << dns table update
ben_vulpes: taking mimisbrunnr down for a spell
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-9-30#436976 << absent the fence, coulda been done vastly more quickly.
ben_vulpes: must bbl
ben_vulpes: well obviously someone sees the value in it as at least a testbed, what cost to him of registering a key.
ben_vulpes: not surfacing every single person capable of operating a v for subsequent filtering of whether or not they are ready to convert also yields.
ben_vulpes: pizarro seemed a) worthwhile endeavour b) could be let fail and the experiment run again c) had good odds of rescue mission succeeding for a time.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855843 << absolutely. however i see risk of a tendency to 'lender of last resort' misbehaviors if unchecked (by whom?! forum clearly. which you address in your point re not throwing out everything the pantsuits touch.)
ben_vulpes: heh see thread with asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: "ensure access to the mainline set of patches" was the best i ever came up with for an operating thesis.
ben_vulpes: on the thread of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855797, upon meditation, tbf was willing to host kids' projects at various points. didn't, in the case of lobbes, because he didn't take funding. kids ever-declining cost next to tbfs kitty inclines me to continue considering these projects.
ben_vulpes: is there some fetlife for nerds funnel under optimization?
ben_vulpes: so then what loss? if heathen has changed religion what are they doing out of church
ben_vulpes: mm, i didn't mean to suggest 'republic only' trb net. it is however a pretty sane client for the extant network, and perhaps there is value in gating access to such a gem from teh hoi polloi. what with trinque's impending hotwallet patches and his demonstration of their value with trb services, the gem will become only of more value.
ben_vulpes: i do not advocate that tbf hide the sauce away, dun fear
ben_vulpes: inner popscu suggests "what, as if its used by anyone outside the republic anyways? if joe blow wants a sane client (which republicans should be mentioning in their blogs etc), he can join the republic and ask for the vpatches." but perhaps i'm undercalibrated.
ben_vulpes: did what, as far as mod6 and i could tell, it needed to.
ben_vulpes: (elsewhere, saws buzz, coats of poly are applied, a decade of life-dross triaged and arrangements made to ship the most-valued and useful posessions across the continent continue...)
ben_vulpes: it also carves off an unsightly imho pantsuit wart upon the side of the republic, a "non-profit organization" with names and caftans etc.
ben_vulpes: this has the advantage of aligning tbf with how things actually work in the republic, as driven forward by the hands of those doing the work.
ben_vulpes: for that reason, largely only spending cash on hosting services. recently also a few hardware nodes. it creates work for mod6 in the vein of the monthly reports. perhaps a nutty suggestion, but it could cleanly be wound down (the charter modified), and mod6 to continue the monthly reports on his blog.
ben_vulpes: by and large i saw the responsibility to ensure that the reference bitcoin client source stayed available to the republic, although at the time i recall a more "to everyone" flavor in my own thinking.
ben_vulpes: yeah who even wrote that thing :P
ben_vulpes: mod6: ack
ben_vulpes: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/HUrlW/?raw=true << winklevii taking a crack at "tether" market
ben_vulpes: why that particular block height for all the other entries, mod6 ?
ben_vulpes: in very-expensive-janitors-and-their-buckets-of-petrol nyooz: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/sep/05/space-station-air-leak-someone-drilled-the-hole-say-russians
ben_vulpes: once you understand double entry accounting it's not so difficult; glad the documentation made your life easier.
ben_vulpes: i'm mock offended at the notion i'd let a liability kick around off sheet
ben_vulpes: not as far as i can recall.
ben_vulpes: i believe it's topologically identical to a call option that doesn't expire with a strike price of the "per share price".
ben_vulpes: should i exercise them, the corporation takes in the btc i pay for them and adds them to the cap table.
ben_vulpes: nono, warrants are the right to purchase shares from the corporation at a price.
ben_vulpes: mod6: i'm pretty sure that we're all squared up.
ben_vulpes: mod6: trying to give away btc or what
ben_vulpes: should probably just take the loot lest anyone accuse me of virtue signaling!
ben_vulpes: it's a sticky position, being stuck between my jewish scruples and having zero desire to ding the isp pointlessly.
ben_vulpes: not that i want to not get paid, but i don't recall a previous agreement
ben_vulpes: so mod6 you want to pay me for services already rendered?
ben_vulpes: horee shit mircea_popescu in stunna shades will wonders never cease
ben_vulpes: http://mycadia.com/ << "synthetic brands to sell synthetic food to synthetic people"
ben_vulpes: ooh ooh; pisicologist ~='cuntologist'?
ben_vulpes: girl in question has been admirably sinking holes, casting posts, hanging cladding.
ben_vulpes: wives are chattel property!
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: has it
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: not selling, leasing on, incomplete upgrades are a pretty serious ding in negotiation.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: ah ah, well i started on the fence *first* and then i decided to move.
ben_vulpes: it speaks!
ben_vulpes: i also happen to enjoy my privacy.
ben_vulpes: oh no, this is a statal bezzle where the local cps takes "at risk" children and sells them to "foster care". statal human trafficking ring.
ben_vulpes: aha, "child protective services"
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu hails from lands where the children roam free, are eventually returned to their parents, right?
ben_vulpes: well one
ben_vulpes: children too
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i would like to pen the pets, this isn't quite the free-range wild wild west where i can brand them and expect them back later in the week
ben_vulpes: trinque: hey i like finding shitty bars in shitty neighborhoods and talking up the locals; don't want to live there
ben_vulpes: "fucking, a guide"
ben_vulpes: Mocky: "reach and balance"?
ben_vulpes: ah teh barge
ben_vulpes: works now
ben_vulpes: is associated in my head with a post i recall as "river of sluts", which i'm sure has an actual title.
ben_vulpes: i recall this
ben_vulpes: all of the pics redirect to random trilemaz
ben_vulpes: i'd written europe off largely on the basis of 'natoreich', but if there are habitable holes i'd rather live in stone than plastic
ben_vulpes: huh cool!
ben_vulpes: uruguay or sa most likely; while marseilles sounds lovely and i vastly prefer french to spanish it is unfortunately in france and so also the eu for the forseeable future. pretty fed up with not living near major airport hubs; access to surf also a criteria for expatquest
ben_vulpes: and should it suck, well, i've at least snipped the girl's attachment to the easy comfortable lifestyle of the pacnw
ben_vulpes: north of california, west of the rockies the humanpaste is ~entirely undifferentiated, curious to see if this holds for louisiana, tx, fl.
ben_vulpes: pretty grade a story, am looking forward to meeting different americans
ben_vulpes: is this why you're always going on about san antonio?
ben_vulpes: im also evaluating this claim that the lone star state is somehow not the same thin plastic veneer over zamac the rest of the country's made of. it at least has endogenous oil stores and the locals carry a reputation for being profit minded
ben_vulpes: a bit, yeah. i've also lived in the same libtard shithole for nigh on three decades at this point; far past time to meet the rest of america.
ben_vulpes: i remain available and actively supporting mod6 and BingoBoingo when they need something from me on the pizarro front
ben_vulpes: tenative schedule is to have current domus released by end of october and new digs established ~same time.
ben_vulpes: days are mostly wake -> grind out food credits -> grind out more holes in ground -> sink posts -> fabricate and erect cladding -> sleep, with the occasional beer
ben_vulpes: new destination, clean + lease the illiquid asset, and then set up shop in the new area
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: the inane shit occupying my time instead of republican efforts is embarrassingly trivial, but since you ask: i'm moving to texas, and so now must wrap fence that was supposed to be a two-season relaxed affair by mid september; throw out a decade+ of crap that i shouldn't have been so lax as to let stick around in the first place, pack my whole existence into transpocubes, get it moved to the
ben_vulpes: iirc he let the hosting account lapse.
ben_vulpes: oh this is for shared hosting, my mistake.
ben_vulpes: mod6: the last rev of your notes says that he's paid up through october 2018
ben_vulpes: mod6: updooted script http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/RnzNR/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: mod6: fixed. moved the log directives out of the directory block and into the top level virtualhost, and made the logdir for the user in question
ben_vulpes: if it's that simple, that'd be spiffy indeed
ben_vulpes: incorporation-related*
ben_vulpes: iirc lacnic wants to see the existing block more heavily used than it is right now before allocating more, BingoBoingo was there something else incorporation that LACNIC wanted to see?
ben_vulpes: antenna? shitton of copper if it's solid.
ben_vulpes: i say, this coordinated attack on the republic is underimpressive
ben_vulpes: "homeopathic"? almost but not quite exactly ersatz ersatz or what
ben_vulpes: triclosan!
ben_vulpes: eyy, anyone want to guess what i found in the toothpaste?
ben_vulpes: mod6: ty
ben_vulpes: lol hey check it out; this guy gets a haul of 300kusd+ for not responsibledisclosuring and douchebags of the world wank themselves raw over 5K and a spot on the altavista hall of fame
ben_vulpes: anyways, non-news https://www.lemonde.fr/addictions/article/2018/08/16/etats-unis-72-000-personnes-mortes-d-une-overdose-en-2017-un-record_5343199_1655173.html
ben_vulpes: hm lemonde blocks archive.is?
ben_vulpes: never skip leg day
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i don't actually know of this deformity
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: https://www.primateco.com/collections/products/products/posture-brace
ben_vulpes: head UP! tits OUT! hips TILTED BACK!
ben_vulpes: the problem isn't your /posture/, kids, it's your /lifestyle/
ben_vulpes: haw someone just sent me an ad for a nylon "posture brace"; not that a brace is going to do anything for the lump of muscle developing at the base of millenial skulls from supporting their heads at a thirty-degree angle all day
ben_vulpes: shed thirty years and three tonnes, do css on fiverr for bitdribbles
ben_vulpes: and while the uncleals are convinced it'll be highway maintenance that blows a crater in the usg budget, i have high hopes that the heavy metal poisoning from 'vape pen' use will eclipse it by a few orders of magnitude
ben_vulpes: ~only place builtup pre auto, not surprising
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: but for humans
ben_vulpes: is auto optional in cr?
ben_vulpes: cult of motor is not for poorfags
ben_vulpes: cars are expensive, what of it
ben_vulpes: sadly, am peristalted into cardboardhouse bigzone
ben_vulpes: haven't even heard a peep about putting trans rights into the corporate handbook in at least three years!
ben_vulpes: ain't complaining
ben_vulpes: less blue hair and fewer kilts as i move through the digestive tract
ben_vulpes: juarez is right there
ben_vulpes: got lured into a bezzle
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i mean the 'fly to terristostan, come home, get apprehended for aiding and abetting'
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: pretty sure the brits do it too
ben_vulpes: there's always the jail stiped if you fly over and then turn tail
ben_vulpes: looool
ben_vulpes: 'haskellism' thread for those who mighta got something out of socrates.
ben_vulpes: kids would rather sit around the table gabbling about whatever problems 0.00003% of the population have instead of sitting down and reading old shit about universals as what apply to 99.99% of the population
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-13#1582649 originally
ben_vulpes: which you, what this lol
ben_vulpes: trinque flagged whitaker's words for me as a latin dictionary (an ada artifact even!)
ben_vulpes: began the exercise as a form of entertainment during a road trip recently; "hey baby what do you think of this translation" "what does X mean in context of Y"
ben_vulpes: turns out, absolutely no replacement for a large desk and several dictionaries
ben_vulpes: all this time no auto-interlineated de toqueville; and on and on
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-16#1841997 << the otherwise-invisible failure to implement anything even approaching intelligence augmentation (or even the statistical AI crap) is never so obvious as when translating works in other languages on the touchscreendevices: why does 'iBooks' waste all of this time animating between the french and english translations of the book i'm working on; how is there after
ben_vulpes: inserter-between-in-chief
ben_vulpes: macports is the portagealike, homebrew is ~canonical apt-get
ben_vulpes: hah
ben_vulpes: bitte
ben_vulpes: will log #asciilifeform later this afternoon
ben_vulpes: !!up nonlinear welcome back
ben_vulpes: ah, makes sense
ben_vulpes: i'm not entirely clear as to the benefits of depreciation under the tmsr accounting regime; most of my experience has to do with optimizing tax treatment in fiatlandia which is irrelephant here
ben_vulpes: yours, i mean.
ben_vulpes: no, that's correct
ben_vulpes: i'll be back later
ben_vulpes: yeah have fun
ben_vulpes: i'm here, we're close to the bottom. may as well finish it out.
ben_vulpes: mod6: what else troubles ye, i have other sisyphean boulders slipping back downhill as we speak
ben_vulpes: and it's a truncation, not a rounding
ben_vulpes: like i said, baseless aspersions
ben_vulpes: casting baseless aspersions
ben_vulpes: show me the perl that doesn't mangle double floats...
ben_vulpes: the slut is truncating
ben_vulpes: !W (+ 0.46713262 (/ (+ 186 311 620 183 459 58 44 69 35 44) 6800) (+ 0.02129452 0.03333333 0.00901087))
ben_vulpes: candi_lustt: (+ 0.46713262 (/ (+ 186 311 620 183 459 58 44 69 35 44) 6800) (+ 0.02129452 0.03333333 0.00901087))
ben_vulpes: !!up candi_lustt
ben_vulpes: a bitcent says that's the difference between purchased usd and expenses denominated in usd, redenominated in btc.
ben_vulpes: .004!
ben_vulpes: some .04 btc discrepancy from the report
ben_vulpes: !Qcalc 0.46713262+0.3+(0.02129452+0.03333333+0.00901087)
ben_vulpes: right, so factor out the invariant and let's calculate the net change since that's where we'll find discrepancies.
ben_vulpes: i mean to say that the .3 btc was spent on usd, some fraction of which was not in turn spent on expenses.
ben_vulpes: first off, the .3 btc was spent on cash
ben_vulpes: how about we just look at the net change, first
ben_vulpes: (to be used in next months reports, etc. hence "reports as ground truth and not your account balance")
ben_vulpes: ayup, this is how the bottom-of-the-report tables work: summing the previous months values against the current months values to derive a current number.
ben_vulpes: (the 10.4 under discussion)
ben_vulpes: calculated per "sum the value of all non-capitalized purchases (DC, fiat spent denominated in BTC, and the sum of depreciation charges), and mark that as net change for intangibles and goodwill"
ben_vulpes: sum of previous month's goodwill and this month's goodwill
ben_vulpes: a possibly relevant thread: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-06#1515831
ben_vulpes: mod6: what is unclear about that line?
ben_vulpes: derp 10.4, not 9.4
ben_vulpes: mod6: 10.4 is more of a note about what happens in various scenarios than instructions relevant to anything happening in this month's report
ben_vulpes: so accounting's job is to provide a reasonable, non-malicious estimate of that value, and let investors perform their own valuation based on whether they think that a high or low value for the tangible in question.
ben_vulpes: yeah, keep in mind that the tangibles line is, again per "Accounting for the nonzero asset corporation" "any and all assets that could reasonably be expected to be exchangeable for BTC, even if at a loss"
ben_vulpes: i do not think that this coupling is necessary, however. a photo of the exchange rate from BingoBoingo at the same cambio on the 27th every month may be adequate.
ben_vulpes: value for the previous month's closing value of the uyu/btc rate (which is also the opening rate for the next month)
ben_vulpes: the past two statements i have pulled that value from xe or forex.com at the time of statement generation. if you want to couple the UYU/USD price timing to that of the USD/BTC price timing, you'd have to hold off on issuing the previous month's statement until you have a btc price signal /for the month after the statement/, and then ask BingoBoingo what the uyu/usd rate is on that day in order to provide a
ben_vulpes: we're talking tiny amounts of btc, but good process and understanding are important at the outset to forestall tears later, so bear with me
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-05#1839607 there is a fine point here, that this is notionally a "closing-of-the-month" value for the UYU
ben_vulpes: scuse me, fiat tangibles.
ben_vulpes: mod6: i did not update that row after using the wrong conversion factor for fiat liabilities on my first pass; thank you for spotting that
ben_vulpes: let me sum assets again.
ben_vulpes: can prorate depreciation if you'd like, i elected not to.
ben_vulpes: mod6: for what it's worth, i twice audited holdings while generating statements and they both came out correct. i suggest you use the statement generation process (combing through ledger/invoice output) to generate statements first, and audit against your personal accounts as a check.
ben_vulpes: anyways yes, if you want to audit the correctness of the statement against the value of cash held on behalf of pizarro, you will have to deduct your personal transactions from whatever account pizarro transactions flow in order to calculate a correct number.
ben_vulpes: mod6: nothing stops you from doing this
ben_vulpes: book truth lies in the statements; it is useful to verify that the cash line is correct but i would use it as a check, not the starting point from which to generate statements given a) payment timing b) personal use of accounts
ben_vulpes: ding ding ding, okay.
ben_vulpes: oh, this is summing accounts and pulling your change out of your deedbot balance?
ben_vulpes: what is that .08 you're subtracting out?
ben_vulpes: per http://trilema.com/2013/accounting-for-the-nonzero-asset-corporation-the-mpex-standard/#selection-129.0-129.120
ben_vulpes: correct.
ben_vulpes: usd/uyu are fiat assets. get booked as tangibles. see the tangibles table.
ben_vulpes: no hang on, no. btc is the only cash.
ben_vulpes: more accurately it's cash + tangibles, and various fiats are tangible assets.
ben_vulpes: mod6: you may want to check your account history, BingoBoingo is also sitting on 0.2 of pizarro's btc
ben_vulpes: 30.500
ben_vulpes: check to see if it's the difference between our btc values of uyu
ben_vulpes: mod6: the UYU book value will indeed fluctuate based on what number you use for the usd/uyu exchange rate
ben_vulpes: why even stay on freenode?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo mod6 asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/6dB0R/?raw=true << detailed walkthrough of how i've been generating reports for pizarro, along with trial report for july. will doublecheck numbers tomorrow and finalize.
ben_vulpes: great!
ben_vulpes: billing as soon as the price signal is set avoids further waffling over spread between when price signal is set and when bills go out. necessarily entails a move to billing in advance.
ben_vulpes: mod6: note he did not say that he was pissed, quite the contrary.
ben_vulpes: mod6: you're doing a great job, don't hang yourself over a term of art.
ben_vulpes: arrears are for services rendered already.
ben_vulpes: mod6: everything is kosher, trinque wants clarity on arrears vs advance. what you are doing is billing in advance.
ben_vulpes: mod6: no, what you have just done is bill for august service at the beginning of august.
ben_vulpes: trinque has it, mod6 is billing in advance now.
ben_vulpes: ("if so wtf that's a terrible use of money, and only subjects you to more orcery in your face")
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: 'tis why i ask
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: now that you have the buttbox do you plan to rent the cowork desk in perpetuity?
ben_vulpes: i miscalculated (under) the outgoing fiat total for pizarro last month by 186 USD; is the correct way to resolve that in this months statement to add an outgoing "adjustment" charge?
ben_vulpes: 2 unclosed tags on altavista.com/bugbounty
ben_vulpes: i seee deaaaad people!
ben_vulpes: heh hall of fame is what they give out to make the 750 bucks not sting so bad, huh?
ben_vulpes: douchebag: link to any of these famous halls?
ben_vulpes: the whole responsible disclosure threads went clear over your head
ben_vulpes: douchebag: and you think that pantsuit press coverage instead of hosing their boxen is the key to fame fortune and a seat in tmsr?
ben_vulpes: one can pay annually, but the discount is for quarterly up-front payments: 25%.
ben_vulpes: mod6: if invoice day is the 15th on a month, figure you can close the auction before then?
ben_vulpes: so mod6 when does the august auction close?
ben_vulpes: invoice date will be right after mod6 clears sale of btc and produces a price signal going forward
ben_vulpes: sacrifices the public verifiability of "all foundation funds in addrx" but i don't know that's so valuable; foundation addr could just be the proverbial tip hat with some change in it and the curious are directed to read statements
ben_vulpes: in unrelated http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-15#1656658 , ben_vulpes moving to texas to whip trinque's oarsmen, re-plumb engineroom, stand watch over gauges
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: awesome
ben_vulpes: mod6: discount for paying for a year in advance, there are also two fuckgoats in that machine
ben_vulpes: otherwise one implies timeless energy-dragon crystalline perfection of self, which is a falsehood.
ben_vulpes: then, sucked. now, suck less.
ben_vulpes: to point at your evolution as a human being over time, for one
ben_vulpes: "i was wrong, and the new piece lives at XXX" didn't pass muster or what
ben_vulpes: whttp://trilema.com/2018/in-which-a-bizarre-character-wanks-it/#selection-537.0-553.158 also
ben_vulpes: i'd dearly like to hear what arguments were so compelling as to turn you from the path of wifebeating, danielpbarron
ben_vulpes: oh neato, /me looks forward to reading
ben_vulpes: there is always "evil mode" if you don't want to spend a month programming your own chords up front trolololol
ben_vulpes: i don't even want to think about the code, compile, run loop outside of the emacs toiletron
ben_vulpes: lobbes: you have the thing running in a repl, right?
ben_vulpes: lobbes: that the outbox table has entries in it suggests that logbot-start-pg-thread was never called
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: thanks for teh ping
ben_vulpes: rattles trinque's cage
ben_vulpes: esthlos: deedbot is right there, and a fine shared wallet
ben_vulpes: rip drive by shooting range
ben_vulpes: pathological fear of firearms doth not translate to safe firearm use
ben_vulpes: mhm!
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-7-18#402166
ben_vulpes: how much is lettuce?
ben_vulpes: anyways thanks for the input
ben_vulpes: human interaction outside of house is teh next item hue
ben_vulpes: she gardens, we're building a fence and working on the house.
ben_vulpes: childrearing can be a mindnumbing activity.
ben_vulpes: i entirely agree.
ben_vulpes: not atm, but mebbe down the road. would have to pay pretty damn well to offset costs of childcare and producing food for the family at home is the first reason to not.
ben_vulpes: anyways early results are coffee made for instead of by me, exercise taken under own steam, complete cessation of wandering into room and forgetting original cause ("i've tried to brush my teeth six times today"), and general lifting of tenor around the domus. much habit-building to do now.
ben_vulpes: likely doomed to relocate to austin within the year
ben_vulpes: .05 perhaps, notes are across the room. delivered over an hour. asciilifeform doses are well calibrated at this point.
ben_vulpes: .5g/kg
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: har har har
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i can see how beatings could kick the brain into a new regime
ben_vulpes: the hot items are ketamine and psilocybin.
ben_vulpes: empirically, there are classes of chemicals that a) shut down the aforementioned dmn entirely for a short period and b) for reasons unexplained this dialing-down of the dmn can endure beyond the presence of these chemicals in the system (although perhaps not other chemicals that are produced in response, nobody knows anything beyond this point)
ben_vulpes: aha, shellshock
ben_vulpes: there's a megatonne of dross and snake oil to sift through, but another flake ive found is that the same mechanisms that one uses to process and put behind scary/traumatic/painful events can become the dominant mode of behavior if the individual's subjected to pain/abuse/shit-ass situations for long enough
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: aha, precisely!
ben_vulpes: the gist i get is that there's several physical regions that see high bloodflow when the mind is in an idle state that are correlated with "ruminantive"/"obsessive" thinking that are grouped by experts as "the default mode network"
ben_vulpes: not to derail, but i've learned quite a bit about what neurofolk call the "default mode network" over the past two weeks
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: looking up!
ben_vulpes: very explicit understanding between the men involved that we're far better off not sharing further than doing so.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-16#1834927 << i'd not distribute anything but trb patches to allcomers ~already~; if i made a useful thing i'd trivially share the source for it with l1 and rely on y'alls judgement as to whom to further share it with but i wouldn't concern myself with preventing leaks-to-kloinkers. beyond that, i share certain specific source with a subset of my own l1 and no further, with a
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: the only marginally complicated thing about statements is tracking the customer equity line and invoicing for the month-to-month customers, i will hand over my notes and assist you should you take the gig
ben_vulpes: for instance (attn asciilifeform, mod6, BingoBoingo), while reviewing books with mod6 recently i realized that i calculated s.mg's lease cost from the machine purchased from s.nsa (which we got bare, no storage), and not from the cost of the machine stuffed full of disks.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-14#1834420 << he is positioned to do a far better job than i have/can, and i believe that he will
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-14#1834379 << clickbank is fiat-only, and as for the "btc affiliate programs" http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828510
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-14#1834378 << yes, sold a small amount of btc via WU through this channel
ben_vulpes: sticky note over the "please shoot me in the face" triggers of shitstack
ben_vulpes: or, you know, whichever other ambulatory meat wad failed even basic imperial sekyoority protocol
ben_vulpes: https://eslint.org/blog/2018/07/postmortem-for-malicious-package-publishes << the entertaining part is how much work they put into disguising Kevin Partington's role as "the maintainer"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: sitting in customs with the ssds
ben_vulpes: !!down hobotrinque
ben_vulpes: !!up hobotrinque
ben_vulpes: ah, thanks trinque, figured i was s.o.l.
ben_vulpes: (from /usr/src/linux on a gentoo)
ben_vulpes: PeterL: i started from the output of 'make menuconfig' and pruned it over time
ben_vulpes: the asinine hoops.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: aha. asciilifeform did this machine ever get engentooated?
ben_vulpes: my mistake, then.
ben_vulpes: i was under the impression that you wanted to wait for a machine that you could cut eulora server over to in toto
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-7-5#393729 << http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-6-21#384989
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: bitte
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: 5 evo 860 1tb disks
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo (mod6, asciilifeform): http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/DPsAP/?raw=true ssd tracking number
ben_vulpes: !!v D1A3E20B77A25846CE47D38CE998C323176774B2494712CC2ED240D510A922AE
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i'm spending a bit of time keeping her from walking across a highway, if that counts as "walking on you"
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: if BingoBoingo can pick up the statements, that shrinks the delta; i've been flailing at transforming btc into amazon-compatible usd for the ssd shipment over the past week, he may be able to assist with that
ben_vulpes: i will do as right by pizarro as i can; i will continue to do what i can. i must deliver notice that pizarro needs to find additional help.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i will do my best to continue supporting pizarro, i won't diappear immediately. but i need to find someone to take over my responsibilities, and i'm going to be stretched very thin.
ben_vulpes: lords and ladies, june pizarro statement will be late; my wife is experiencing an all-consuming major depression that will take all of my attention going forward. i am working with mod6 and asciilifeform to ensure continuity at pizarro.
ben_vulpes: i suspect that the tidal wave of people who only understand poking buttons has drowned out the tiny sample of people who even know how to work ftp, and are being 'served' (as the main course, naturally) by facebook/wix etc
ben_vulpes: i am unable to distinguish advertising scamolade from the genuine article. i've reached out to an altcoin forum about advertising directly, and to some folks who pump ICOs to see about getting into their designers hosting pipelines, all to zero avail. not to mention that just looking at their existing websites makes me nauseous.
ben_vulpes: public. i have high hopes that the rockchip will be a thing people even want, but i'm clearly out of my depth on marketing to the great wide web.
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-6-27#388828 << i do not think that this line of business is worth pursuing further, and will tender my resignation for mismanagement if folks want it for the wasted time/effort. sifting the midden pile of the internet for people who worry about five dollars a month for hosting flies in the face of everything i've learned in #trilema about coming anywhere near the
ben_vulpes: during the day: sweat! during the night: sweat! but also stare at the ceiling
ben_vulpes: !!up mobile436523 hola
ben_vulpes: betting that the bill for the rockchip plant is going to hurt by the same token
ben_vulpes: 100%
ben_vulpes: i definitely don't know how to organize or drive sales, doing what i see needs doing, and what gets suggested to me, and float my own (bad) ideas. i'm in no way attached to "fiat things". because the exchange rate is eroding capitalization so brutally i thought it worthwhile to take another one on the chin in case this particular bad idea had some flake of merit in it.
ben_vulpes: and with clickbank not touching btc, 'a(nonymous)-ads' out for not being in the wot all these years, i'm back to the drawing board on where to buy ads/how to drive traffic
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo has made http://pizarroisp.net/shared-hosting/ and finessed the copy on the rest of the site; isn't a/b testing on landing pages what you do after putting cash down on a CPM/CPC/CPA program?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo and lobbes have been working the hosting forums, i don't know what 'funnel' to put together other than get folks to sign into the #pizarro chat room and get them accounts
ben_vulpes: nevermind, i'll just read my kindleberger instead
ben_vulpes: if mircea_popescu would spare a lecture on the notion, ex the usg gassing constraint, i would read intently.
ben_vulpes: there is the "convertible note", which is how the shartupists do a similar thing.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: probably the jooblocker
ben_vulpes: illegal per usg "accredited investors" circus?
ben_vulpes: if a 'javier' name shows up and my attention is elsewhere, someone please up the fellow, i'd like to build bridges out of lbtc and he might be one
ben_vulpes: waits
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: and immediately thereafter http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1825184
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: and this absolves of the need to hedge?
ben_vulpes: amusing, because they handle the intermediation themselves now
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: possibly stupid notion i had last night i'd like to float for your cfo-ly advice: with the exchange rate in the shitter, and the clear and present demand for fiat-denominated assets, how bad of an idea would it be to sell usd-denominated bonds? mod6 and asciilifeform thoughts also pls
ben_vulpes: https://www.behance.net/gallery/66684621/Ural-Amazon << perhaps a candidate for mircea_popescu 's artist hunt
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: can you buy amazon gift cards for cash in uruguay?
ben_vulpes: no graffiti even necessary.
ben_vulpes: add a new file for the manifest, create a vpatch, any subsequent vpatches that don't also edit manifest must be reground into mainline.
ben_vulpes: and not "reference" but "edit"
ben_vulpes: right that
ben_vulpes: manifest.txt $hash_prev $hash_curr ?
ben_vulpes: reference the manifest file in a later patch.
ben_vulpes: well now i have to look into this and figure out what drives the memory of getting stuck. very foggy memories suggest it was the pruning of spent outputs i was unsure of.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-14#1655547
ben_vulpes: in other reports, btcfor.gifts does indeed work for small amounts
ben_vulpes: it's either there or regrind back to the genesis
ben_vulpes: s/after makefiles/in the makefiles patch/
ben_vulpes: well in theory, but in practice everything below makefiles already needs a regrind; aggression to request newblocks if none have been advertised recently; hash truncation atop that. so there's an opportunity to significantly reduce the amount of regrinding by introducing the manifest after the makefiles release and just regrinding 2 patches instead of the whole tree. unless i misread the situation.
ben_vulpes: mod6: my original q was in re why regrinding the whole tree is necessary instead of introducing the manifest now and using it going forward
ben_vulpes: it's a single file that collapses the tree into a pillar
ben_vulpes: "manifest capabilities" are baked into all V implementations
ben_vulpes: shouldn't matter in the slightest which v impl is used
ben_vulpes: mod6: focus on the manifest design, not the v implementation linked in trinque 's post
ben_vulpes: for the sake of exploring the state space; it is more desirable to regrind the whole tree rather than to introduce the manifest at this point and use it going forward?
ben_vulpes: and yeah, i could possibly put this time into humping trinque's wallet patches down the field
ben_vulpes: do you have any output selection scripts you keep around?
ben_vulpes: heh, last time i took a crack at *that* i got mired in finding unspent outputs with trb
ben_vulpes: lol that's kind of you
ben_vulpes: mod6: thanks
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: classic intro!
ben_vulpes: and to think i spent all that time poring over the boost docs
ben_vulpes: .size() fuckin hue
ben_vulpes: mod6: can i get a hand with some c++? i can't figure out how to iterate over the params array in sendtoaddresswithchange with boost or more naive iterators http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/7TlSw/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: also http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoind-not-quite-ready-for-prime-time/#selection-77.298-77.423
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-6-26#388015 << continuing a thread from #p; i'm partway through reimplementing createtransaction such that it takes a change address; there's no reason to keep the individual transaction size limit, is there?
ben_vulpes: aaaawesome
ben_vulpes: dun dun dun
ben_vulpes: assuming that epony is this epony
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-12#1823667
ben_vulpes: epony: still haven't digested the epsilon appetite for nobodies? not obvious in your 11 days reading?
ben_vulpes: chance favors the prepared keyring or what was it.
ben_vulpes: consider, one day, you find yourself inspired to say something, you then go to register a key first? and then conversation gets derailed with "oh ho, look who finally registered a key" or alternatively "oh ho, who are you now?"
ben_vulpes: put another way, why *not* do it?
ben_vulpes: epony: what do you perceive the cost of registering a key to be?
ben_vulpes: !!up epony do you plan to register a key or what
ben_vulpes: sarcasm fails me in the face of cpp
ben_vulpes: noooooshit
ben_vulpes: how cool
ben_vulpes: am i thick or does nothing in the rpc take named args already?
ben_vulpes: ty
ben_vulpes: aha
ben_vulpes: yeah that fucking horror of ordered args
ben_vulpes: it would be much easier to make a sendmanywithchangeaddr than to rework both sendfrom and sendmany
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-23#1829108 << the alternative, which would be a smaller patch, is a "setchangeaddr" RPC function. i'm leery of changing the call signatures of sendfrom and sendmany, but doing so might be The Right Thing nevertheless
ben_vulpes: would it be sensible for the send* commands to eat a changeaddress argument?
ben_vulpes: how's that?
ben_vulpes: i'm out of time on this particular trbism, bbl
ben_vulpes: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/wallet.cpp?v=makefiles#0957 << next to look at
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: the bit i have yet to unravel is why it thinks there's change to generate
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: correct as always http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.h?v=makefiles#0035
ben_vulpes: but shitting in other hand
ben_vulpes: hoping for a garbokey
ben_vulpes: alternatively, recompile with useful need/have numbers in http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp?v=makefiles#0914
ben_vulpes: pretty confident that there's no dust at play, so i'll look for this min fee config
ben_vulpes: mod6: see that's why i asked for a spot check on the maths
ben_vulpes: bitcoinfees.earn.com suggests cutoff around ~50 sat/byte, but still, orthogonal
ben_vulpes: i wasn't aware that it was 50ksat/byte, no, but nevertheless trb shouldn't even be aware of that. orthogonal issue, isn't it?
ben_vulpes: this is trb
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: 3467 is the value i get with that algo
ben_vulpes: next thing i'm going to try is manually walk the spend-to-self down by 100 satoshis until this trb shits a tx out and then look at what it produces
ben_vulpes: and afaik only spending a single output
ben_vulpes: "paytxfee" : 0.00021850,
ben_vulpes: well this is a fuckin doozy; i'm trying to get trb to cough up a transaction that spends 0.00420032 to one address, 6.65784110 to another address, and spends 0.00021850 in fees, all of which my arithmetic pad shows summing to 6.66225992 btc, but trb complains of "insufficient funds". can someone doublecheck my maffs?
ben_vulpes: ah
ben_vulpes: dang, teh crashing
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: iirc you've used lbtc in living memory, what heathen abortion did you use to send to the 3addr?
ben_vulpes: black sabbath violin aha
ben_vulpes: suresure
ben_vulpes: right
ben_vulpes: once one has the 3coin, it's a single transaction to transmute into a 1coin iirc? or did we settle on "anything with a 3 in the transactionhistory is badshit"
ben_vulpes: yup
ben_vulpes: motherfucker, localbitcoins uses multisig deposit addresses
ben_vulpes: noice
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Aarsenische+
ben_vulpes: who look to have bounced off the early republic sometime in 2014
ben_vulpes: ("a-ads.com")
ben_vulpes: same with the affiliate thing; 'a-ads'; i know mircea_popescu said that nobody uses anything but clickbank, but i can't pay 'em in btc and the amlkyc is thick over there as well; so, fifty bucks, see how bad the results can possibly be
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'm thinking about ~50 bucks worth, see if it works as promised
ben_vulpes: incidentally, first btc affiliate program i've found in the wild, so will probably throw some change at them as well to see what comes of that
ben_vulpes: (of all wacky dns entries)
ben_vulpes: btcfor.gifts
ben_vulpes: hanbot: did you only cover debit cards in "state of the cards" and not gift cards because buying gift cards with btc is a terrible idea for some reason?
ben_vulpes: https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/19/17480912/github-ice-linkedin-scraping-employees << "no pretty please don't be hunting us down"
ben_vulpes: end of july for the whole package
ben_vulpes: box can come up for testing with the spare ssd drive held for s.mg raid redundancy; then reprovision with cuntoo later in the month and the fat stack of SSDs to flesh out the raid array for the production cutover.
ben_vulpes: nah no stress, workin out how to best serve s.mg
ben_vulpes: spyked?
ben_vulpes: latest innovation is lotto-disguised-as-lootbox on ipad; labor force participation by young males down, but expenditures of parents' 401k on skinner boxes is up!
ben_vulpes: because it's not fentanyl, it's just-enough-different to escape prosecution in the orient and kill people in ameristan
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: nah, even worse/dumber. importing the fentanyl and mixing it poorly into things that look like heroin for street-resale
ben_vulpes: and even that largely subsumed by .cn mailorder
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: the pot dealer is even an extinct species these days; gotta go buy fentanyl to make friends now
ben_vulpes: bbl
ben_vulpes: i'll need until late-july to kit out the bays
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-20#1827727 << can bring up spare chassis with hot-spare for raid array on very short notice, but if you would like to cut over to this machine from your existing one o'
ben_vulpes: !!v 47890E77153D97A14E0A3602032F495C70D0A52EA256BC86EA35DD4DF7DF0807
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: "jail-like"
ben_vulpes: diana_coman: why does it need to be wholly separate machine? i think something might have flown over my head
ben_vulpes: will do
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: all righty
ben_vulpes: !!v 679E24D9E94B4273ABD3A76D7E9D4CE3099B442C14D4A41635AABFA733F662C0
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: ty
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ApA3A/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: you got it
ben_vulpes: yeah, that's the foundation's drive
ben_vulpes: http://archive.is/UHDbz
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: sent out an inventory recently, let me hand that over to ya
ben_vulpes: yup.
ben_vulpes: chassis + ram
ben_vulpes: ah; that's right. box bought from s.nsa was chassis-only
ben_vulpes: sounds reasonable, let me check notes and see if there's any reason not to
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: don't tell the inca but i fly
ben_vulpes: fun inversely proportional to lethality and all that
ben_vulpes: "flies" is a bit strong; i like big kinetic-energy toys and have friends with them.
ben_vulpes: it is the gliders that are actually hard.
ben_vulpes: any goon can get a powered bird to do simple things
ben_vulpes: and this is why i still don't have many male friends "we're going to go fly quadcopters!" "...why don't we drive out to the hangar and take the plane out instead?"
ben_vulpes: i eventually learned that unless i can feel the gs in the seat of my pants i have trouble giving much of a fuck
ben_vulpes: phf: i had a set quite like that as well, but never got into it. "so, it goes around? and if you go too fast, it pops off the track?" brio also more for the 2-5 set
ben_vulpes: these days battery-operated chinesium
ben_vulpes: historically wood and steel train toys
ben_vulpes: ("the fuck kind of child abuser makes these toys, you mean")
ben_vulpes: the fuck kind of kid wants to watch a train roll about at 1 cm/min
ben_vulpes: "brio" actually ships battery-powered "engines", these days, with wheels that resist turning except when driven by batteries, if you can imagine.
ben_vulpes: for god's sake, mr f!
ben_vulpes: phf: lol
ben_vulpes: i have a stack of blank index cards upon which i write or draw whatever thing i feel like training the kid on at any given moment. "memory" games with shapes and letters and numbers, the alphabet and numbers, just starting in on word shapes. beyond that, no blinkenlichten, no plastics, a commitment to correcting diction and grammar all day and i'm pretty sure one's into diminishing returns after that
ben_vulpes: the montesorri stuff makes me laugh. oh, you mean the little learning machine thrives on new and varied challenges? you don't fucking say
ben_vulpes: and so the girlies shack up with other girlies, the boys retire to secular onasteries, and they all think it precisely tits.
ben_vulpes: well yeah doods don't even say hello, much less issue compliments anymore.
ben_vulpes: once upon a time.
ben_vulpes: well hey i biked through from time to time
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i doubt there's what knows how to use a slut on that campus
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: it's all the poor dears know
ben_vulpes: (noshit, you've never seen one)
ben_vulpes: esthlos: ah, once a classy joint i hear. since then, well, epicenter of "i don't date nazis" nonsense
ben_vulpes: esthlos: noshit? which school?
ben_vulpes: also other more lulzy luls: https://www.neowin.net/news/bittorrent-has-been-sold-to-blockchain-startup-for-an-alleged-140-million
ben_vulpes: unrelated apple luls https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/apple/macos-breaks-your-opsec-by-caching-data-from-encrypted-hard-drives/
ben_vulpes: i don't really see the point to importing rounded corners into republican tooling
ben_vulpes: worth more to inca than us i suspect.
ben_vulpes: i'm amenable to dom as presentation model, but abhor the browser scripting language and the cpp hydras that render the html/css/jsoup. that said if we cut "teh modern webb!" off entirely, i'll hafta bifurcate my workbench.
ben_vulpes: implementing the DOM and all of the california complexity doesn't mesh neatly with the text rendering already extant. i use emacs as wm around browser and some other things (not many other things, really, but 'modern' dom-o-tron is sadly yet central to $work), for the expediency of my workbench having a single scriptinglang to move windows around, split whole monitor and arrange for specific workflows...
ben_vulpes: eww, the builtin browser is sorta step-up from lynx/links: no js, but can do images/svgs with the appropriate libs linked against
ben_vulpes: ahaha
ben_vulpes: no x11 means no graphical wwwtron, right?
ben_vulpes: not irc, however.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i also use it as wm; will endure the occasional freeze-ups because if emacs has died well then the whole machine's utility to me has gone to epsilon anyways
ben_vulpes: douchebag: i thought handing vulns over to sv corp responsible dicksucksure departments was a sure path to riches
ben_vulpes: 'twas riotous.
ben_vulpes: seed actually far more correct
ben_vulpes: phf: is "seeds" a ru-ism or are "beans" an usgism
ben_vulpes: burn the beans because "more flavor", which burns the caffeine off, which demands mas grounds for same "lift"; escalator to shitsville
ben_vulpes: well and also industrial food production pipeline optimized to crap out same five products everywhere.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: are people selling the "nitro cold brew on tap" perversity in your area yet?
ben_vulpes: i'd hope!
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-6-18#381193 << could let teh customer manage his own, regardless do let me know if the machine in q starts misbehaving
ben_vulpes: nor fuckin i
ben_vulpes: (matchsticks!)
ben_vulpes: interesting stuff, ty asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: why the very expensive gazprom clause then?
ben_vulpes: what 'reasons'?
ben_vulpes: "While the rulings of the Stockholm court were not made public...Naftogaz managed to avoid Gazprom's major claim ... almost 60% of Ukraine's GDP", so is this "the poor ukranians can't actually even pay the penalty, so we're cancelling the clause"?
ben_vulpes: "the stockholm international arbitration court cancelled retroactively the take-or-pay clause forseen in the 2009 contract with Russia's Gazprom"
ben_vulpes: https://concorde.ua/rs/daily/item_72528/ << in bizarro international contract-rewriting news from last year
ben_vulpes: if you would that would be great BingoBoingo
ben_vulpes: ty asciilifeform, mircea_popescu
ben_vulpes: "you: wiggle the till. and you! get me a beer"
ben_vulpes: illustrative, ty mircea_popescu.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i am similarly poorly equipped to speculate/trade, but now at recent lows strikes me as a bad time to convert btc to cash (unless it goes lower, ofc)
ben_vulpes: plus BingoBoingo has done good work in lining up local exchange partners
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: made arrangements; wire's been sent already and cash is in discussion
ben_vulpes: next month
ben_vulpes: i had some suspicious activity in the alley around my trash last week, where's my blockchain analysis support
ben_vulpes: wasn't that last week's "hack"?
ben_vulpes: notice no knives for phil
ben_vulpes: looks more like a "the price isn't the real price because it's too high to be the real price and here's some proofy proof" to me
ben_vulpes: https://archive.is/pWbrV << potter's hustle in the news again
ben_vulpes: and on the next page "Apply for ICO services worth 20 BTC for free."
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "or apply for basic 40 btc package for free!"
ben_vulpes: they'll make a landing page for another 4 btc
ben_vulpes: 40 btc starter package! www.icobox.io also all "success stories" successes are denominated in usd
ben_vulpes: > "Community: access to insights of a 1000-strong community of marketing professionals, who focus on the blockchain industry" << sheesh
ben_vulpes: i'll survey the 'crypto'/cpa space and report back
ben_vulpes: seems like clickbank wants to own the entire payment flow, and looks at first blush to only eat credit cards
ben_vulpes: second step in clickbank signup is "who do you bank with and what's your ssn"
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: ty
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: can i get the copyright r ?
ben_vulpes: actually BingoBoingo try http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Hn5N9/?raw=true instead
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/nCaj4/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: write it up, danielpbarron !
ben_vulpes: heh tmsr shadowbanned even at bm
ben_vulpes: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/04/arts/ren-stimpy-creator-misconduct.html << relatit
ben_vulpes: !!up loper_os_cr50_
ben_vulpes: !!up loper_os_cr50
ben_vulpes: in other lols, sbcl.org is down
ben_vulpes: not just true for real estate!
ben_vulpes: (nor do i know how i'd have cleaned the thing, had i tried to use it)
ben_vulpes: i could not fathom.
ben_vulpes: place i rented had the weirdest damn nonstick pan: it had a nonstick coating but then an elevated metal grate atop the coating
ben_vulpes: i felt the same way about the keys in buenos aires
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: is there a selection anchor missing from the key link?
ben_vulpes: suuure boss
ben_vulpes: for when cherri met rae
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: dangling em in the footnotes
ben_vulpes: aah.
ben_vulpes: black chocolate and milk coffee?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: will be cool!
ben_vulpes: yesyes, ty
ben_vulpes: oh oh the "your time" thread.
ben_vulpes: i must have missed it, may i have a pointer?
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-04#1820639 build as s.nsa, sell to pizarro?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: seems to do that as well
ben_vulpes: have you tried restarting your house
ben_vulpes: installer*
ben_vulpes: i see manifest draf, art car parade, and then the cuntoo instapper
ben_vulpes: wonder if your dns is hosed?
ben_vulpes: what do you see on his homepage?
ben_vulpes: works here, esthlos
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: amazing self depth-plumbing butthurt
ben_vulpes: bbl
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: smoosh footnotes down to the bottom of the page pls
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: enjoying the RE hunt posts
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: hue hue hue
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: dunno, what does he do?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: talk -> talked ?
ben_vulpes: !!deed http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/2TGf0/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: social benefit!
ben_vulpes: someone call the impact investors: for every XX dollars you bid up the starbucks stock, we'll take a day off to self-flagellate!
ben_vulpes: i wonder how many days of atonement they'd have to buy before the slippage showed up
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: mcdonalds still wins on kcal/shitbuck
ben_vulpes: "of course, nothing's going to change until you start shooting cops"
ben_vulpes: complete with "gtfo, this won't change anything" from the normal blm suspects
ben_vulpes: yeah righteous lolz
ben_vulpes: who knew hdds had souls
ben_vulpes: the splintering and setting of the electorate at itself continues apace.
ben_vulpes: "PORTLAND...IS YOUR WHITE FRAGILITY SHOWING?"
ben_vulpes: and in other "we could never shoot a cop!"s https://pdxbillboardproject.com/
ben_vulpes: jurov aaaalso http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/2TGf0/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: jurov: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/7YpUV/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: !~ticker --market all
ben_vulpes: !!up jhvh1
ben_vulpes: !~ticker --market all
ben_vulpes: nifty
ben_vulpes: esthlos: what'd you do for theming? i just took a look at "toolbox" at BingoBoingo's request, have you ever touched that?
ben_vulpes: afaik, the option to bamboozle is in withholding outputs or supplying synthetics
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: how would this bamboozling work, operator still supplies address to spend to
ben_vulpes: once it turns into a real item, aka bitcoin, i care. until then, nop
ben_vulpes: there are things for which i care about maintaining the tree of inputs that resulted in my balance, and there's ephemeral shit
ben_vulpes: ^
ben_vulpes: so what if it's rusty
ben_vulpes: i'm not using it as a node, i'm using it as a scalpel to slice flesh off altcoiners
ben_vulpes: the electrum forks make it pretty simple in my experience.
ben_vulpes: i don't care to hang on to any forkcoins, no
ben_vulpes: oh i think that can go
ben_vulpes: pipp8: because nothing after 0.5.3 was strictly necessary.
ben_vulpes: pipp8: http://cascadianhacker.com/20_a-summary-of-changes-to-bitcoin-since-0321
ben_vulpes: !!up pipp8
ben_vulpes: hey BingoBoingo would you apply the same razor you applied to the landing page copy to the rest of the copy on the pizarro site?
ben_vulpes: "hey, she's a reeeeal african american now!"
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-25#363112 << https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/05/25/rachel-dolezal-who-posed-black-woman-accused-welfare-fraud/643773002/
ben_vulpes: pricing details i mean
ben_vulpes: gonna work it more or should i pick it up from here? fine starting point i think (will wait for contradiction), i can fill in the details.
ben_vulpes: looks pretty good to me, BingoBoingo
ben_vulpes: reads
ben_vulpes: btw thanks ave1
ben_vulpes: http://archive.is/S1lfr << methinks the lady doth protest too much
ben_vulpes: ok
ben_vulpes: nevertheless, "once upon a time we made cars in flint, and the water was unsafe to drink in mexico. these days, they make the cars in mexico and flint's water is poison."
ben_vulpes: you won't notice lead in the water until your kids are born all fucked up either.
ben_vulpes: i'm not prodding you about "issues" you mighta "noticed" but to think about who's involved in your decryption and signing flow.
ben_vulpes: they would never back your whole hdd, precious linux vms and gnupg keychains and all to icloud, no never.
ben_vulpes: is "can get root privs" all you need to feel comfortable using gpg on the thing?
ben_vulpes: douchebag: the incessant whining to "upgrade!", the lockout of gdb shy of signing executables for execution, none of this screams "not your computer! get your hands out of the machine!" to you?
ben_vulpes: from coinbase: "Get $10 of free Bitcoin for every user you refer!" why not eth, ltc...
ben_vulpes: reports are that even exwm works with it
ben_vulpes: fwiw xquartz works fine
ben_vulpes: purged it manually, after throwing the "no seriously i am a grownup" switch?
ben_vulpes: it doesn't tile, what fucking great.
ben_vulpes: or or, have you tried deleting "iPhoto"?
ben_vulpes: this is not a very secure perspective, mon frere.
ben_vulpes: douchebag: the pushing of multigigabyte files to "your" computer doesn't make you pucker at running gpg on the thing?
ben_vulpes: the debian rng bug is a good example of hosed RNGs, that's a fine place to start
ben_vulpes: i'm obliquely suggesting that you have nfi how your keys were put together because the layers of abstraction are too thick.
ben_vulpes: ever wonder about how the deterministic number generator on that vm was configulated?
ben_vulpes: gnupg does, so for the third time why are you using a vm, what do you imagine it gets you
ben_vulpes: so why bother with the vm
ben_vulpes: what does using a vm on a compromised computer getcha?
ben_vulpes: i do not think this does what you think it does
ben_vulpes: douchebag: a vm on the macbook?
ben_vulpes: douchebag: have you tried installing gentoo on your macbook?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: it's a rubby trojan horse masquerading as a package manager that posts ~/.gnupg to www.google-analytics.com
ben_vulpes: brew edit $formula might help, but i ditched the mac nigh for reasons of pervasive upgradism like this a year ago, haven't looked back, can't suggest that you spend much time doing battle with republican softs on the crapple.
ben_vulpes: on a less glib line, homebrew changed the calling syntax on the tap. you should read the error message for the correction instruction.
ben_vulpes: could be all the way down in the ruby
ben_vulpes: possibly the homebrew part
ben_vulpes: douchebag: yeah it's the mac part
ben_vulpes: wouldn't put it past either the usg or cn engineering departments to fail at recreating the su rf-illuminated snooper but to screw up the power by a few orders of magnitude
ben_vulpes: this is reaching penis-theft proportions of lol
ben_vulpes: i intend to do this for the july bills.
ben_vulpes: tangentially, "Before December 2017, there was no market for bitcoin derivatives." https://www.frbsf.org/economic-research/publications/economic-letter/2018/may/how-futures-trading-changed-bitcoin-prices/
ben_vulpes: ooh yes please
ben_vulpes: plans" should be, so look at pricing as well. if these rates are attractive to the market and we get out there and flog 'em i think there's some money to be made
ben_vulpes: landing pages and ad copy is not a gadget i know how to work, so let me know what you think. this also has what i think the "
ben_vulpes: lobbes, BingoBoingo (and mod6 and asciilifeform, mircea_popescu if he's inclined) here's a draft of the copy for the shared hosting landing page: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/PcA2p/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: as in www?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: how is ram different from fs in the context of http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-18#358183
ben_vulpes: that's probably some amount of useful.
ben_vulpes: curious about how tractable, workable, and useful setting user-level memory limits on the shared hosting is.
ben_vulpes: ulimit's per-process, yeah?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: check my understanding of a thing please: if apache runs its own php pool, then user-level cgroups won't affect how much ram apache eats while serving a user's php, right?
ben_vulpes: heh freenode webchat doesn't use ssl omfg!
ben_vulpes: on a scale of useless bullshit to practical for republican shared hosting, how useless are cgroups?
ben_vulpes: also lol good footer
ben_vulpes: Mocky: why's that ada article not on the homepage of yer blog?
ben_vulpes: ya great softy
ben_vulpes: later mod6
ben_vulpes: !!v E8314E9D628E6F35170D8D517C534BED72FB92C4D3DB073F929475394C4B6908
ben_vulpes: dooooon't care, just stoppit. spend more time watching and listening and learning the cultural norms and if you're going to deliberately not follow them then i'm interested in your good reason per http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-23#361418
ben_vulpes: which i can't even fathom dude because wtf you're willing to clutter up the logs with line after line of key noise and then otoh...screenshots
ben_vulpes: douchebag: yeah i'll drop the neg but you gotta work on picking up how shit works around here. the list of annoying crap you do is unenumerable but the two things that drive me personally up a wall are eg http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-23#361197 and then also posting screenshots of text
ben_vulpes: ahahaha oh man i just reread my douchebag rating
ben_vulpes: trinque: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/PBypt/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: jurov: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/enD8E/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: i read the logs, saw your ping.
ben_vulpes: not hassle me while i chew through my whiteboard
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i am enjoying this pace!
ben_vulpes: mod6: belay that, read this http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/uh7Xt/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: evening mod6 http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/HPDq7/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: well he wasn't pimping, they were chained
ben_vulpes: i'm planning to die on stage soon, this is good practice.
ben_vulpes: the ho's are the pennies, the broker the redditard, mircea_popescu the pighead
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-22#360633
ben_vulpes: he wondered why the girlies walked to the station and didn't shoot the redditard
ben_vulpes: cap de porc
ben_vulpes: not just wonder why the pennies are walking to the station?!
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-15#1738849 << i had entirely forgotten this, ty mircea_popescu
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: fertile ground tho, no telling where the conversation might go.
ben_vulpes: trinque: this, i press. and for reason.
ben_vulpes: did intel cast shade upon wu-firing localbitcoins accounts?
ben_vulpes: i don't have notes on this, he may contradict, but that is my memory.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: objected to walking two grand usd over the the dc; shit was busy at the time and i didn't press.
ben_vulpes: there's your 15 bucks of overhead for interacting with the fiat banking system.
ben_vulpes: no clawbacks on the wu
ben_vulpes: albeit one to western union for reasons of tax bracket.
ben_vulpes: yes they are possible, and to date have been firing in tandem
ben_vulpes: now now, i dislike the extra wire fees and coordination overhead trinque .
ben_vulpes: novel!
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: and then dc pays bingo his food allotment in cash from the extra?
ben_vulpes: iirc the stumbling block to a single transaction is that we want to avoid pushing BingoBoingo's local account over the minimum tax line. with i think the local equiv. of an llc BingoBoingo can receive money and it won't count as his income until it hits his account.
ben_vulpes: needs a wire and a WU-gram; and speaking of, BingoBoingo anything to report on the .uy corp formation front?
ben_vulpes: trinque: it's about 5kusd/mo, will go up somewhat in the near future
ben_vulpes: "But the positive feedback since the Golden State Killer case convinced her to make the plunge."
ben_vulpes: yes but the "unsure if i should do this until people cheered for me" bit was lulzy
ben_vulpes: unrelated, "She had initially hesitated to work on criminal cases because she was unsure of legal and ethical issues, especially if people uploading their DNA to GEDmatch were unaware police were trawling through the database." https://archive.is/6zrLD#selection-1651.70-1651.284
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-9#353171
ben_vulpes: ohoh thescourge
ben_vulpes: doesn't ring much of a bell
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: do you recall which one this was?
ben_vulpes: thanks, mircea_popescu
ben_vulpes: hassel -> hassle
ben_vulpes: aight great, i'm going to get to work on marketing matls/landing page today
ben_vulpes: bbl
ben_vulpes: not urgent by any means, possibly even a good switch-cover.
ben_vulpes: yeah, that's in the double checking routine
ben_vulpes: trinque: it would be nice on my nerves and doublecheckment routines if pay-invoice OTPs had invoice memo and amount
ben_vulpes: stand by to slow down
ben_vulpes: nice
ben_vulpes: neato
ben_vulpes: lobbes: shared shell alone, i haven't examined the implications of this scheme for rockchips yet
ben_vulpes: this incentivizes the hunt for long term customers
ben_vulpes: and yes, of the affiliate's recruited set, not of all customers.
ben_vulpes: lobbes: for so long as a customer is paying pizarro is the intention
ben_vulpes: lobbes, BingoBoingo: thoughts re ^?
ben_vulpes: mod6 asciilifeform: a sales incentive scheme proposal: we kick back 5% of revenue to affiliates who've recruited up to 10 paying customers, 10% up to 25 paying customers, 15% to 50 customers and then 20% for recruiting over 50 customers, which'd be a tidy .03 btc/mo, way better than any other "while you sleep" scheme out there.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i await a transaction to clear through deedbot, then i shall settle your invoices
ben_vulpes: that is what i am trying to say
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: it doesn't make sense to put delicate items acquired with much suffering like BingoBoingo's cedula immediately into the statists hopper (localbitcoins demands "an ID" to post ads), when one can pick from the sale offers and operate on the side of the transaction where id is not asked for
ben_vulpes: even some of the baisc ones.
ben_vulpes: ah shoot, thank you. the finer points have slipped away.
ben_vulpes: fettiffany: are folks buying/selling bitcoins and dollars? how are folks defending against the inflation
ben_vulpes: porque no te gustas maduro?
ben_vulpes: funny how deeply the actual people notionally represented by the soi disant speakers for the people hate said speakers
ben_vulpes: what do you think of it?
ben_vulpes: fettiffany: here's some more context http://thebitcoin.foundation/declaration.txt
ben_vulpes: ty BingoBoingo
ben_vulpes: !!down douchebag_junior
ben_vulpes: gpg is too haaaard!" replacement
ben_vulpes: marlinspike / rosenfield 's "
ben_vulpes: https://thehackernews.com/2018/05/signal-desktop-hacking.html << "because the developers used a function literally called 'dangerouslySetInnerHTML' that doesn't escape HTML"
ben_vulpes: bbl
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: a guess at what storage a 10 dollar/mo plan might be reasonably marketed at, informed by scrolling through a few pages of shared hosting offers and looking at a few in detail
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-18#358110 << 100 accounts at 10gb, leaves 35 gb for l1/2 shell users on a 1.7 tb machine
ben_vulpes: are there other things besides wordpress that fit the bill for this kind of thing?
ben_vulpes: i can see it opening up the altcoinist scam market for least-effort websites
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-18#358067 << this is something like "a wordpress and you're welcome"?
ben_vulpes: bbl
ben_vulpes: i disqualified some others for ~zero activity in the past two years, but haven't ruled out hostsearch or warriorforum yet
ben_vulpes: great, i mentioned hostingdiscussion.com , webhostingtalk.com, forums.hostsearch.com to you, also warriorforum.com from mircea_popescu's mentions once upon a time. i'll dig up some others as well.
ben_vulpes: true of everything in this world
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: you are now going to go and start canvassing apartments pricing concretely, yes?
ben_vulpes: expenses and would be willing to put down a half btc incentive if we hit that. i'm also considering that the apartment rental is going to be maybe 20% more expensive than the combined cowork and bunk, and propose moving some of the end-of-year incentive forward in time to pay for that.
ben_vulpes: yeah, it's fuckin tricky, though. i'm trying to estimate what could reasonably be packed into uy1 from a shared shell and ftp perspective, but i think 20 shell accounts and 100 lower-end ftp-only accounts is probably the max that box can carry without overbooking it, and if we can get to that point within a year i'll be pleased as punch, as it'll cover a significant fraction of the whole pizarro operation's
ben_vulpes: mod6: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-17#358008
ben_vulpes: lol
ben_vulpes: plus table, chairs, bed, cutlery, hot water heater?
ben_vulpes: so that's some 800/mo at the bare minimum; an upfront of around 4.8k at that rate
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: help me enumerate these costs?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: there are not insignificant upfront costs iirc
ben_vulpes: gotta figure a) whether the apartment thing is crazy for some reason i don't understand b) structure for next years incentive
ben_vulpes: mod6: haven't settled on next year's incentive payment yet
ben_vulpes: mod6: i
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: am i crazy in trying to push for an apartment for you?
ben_vulpes: sure.
ben_vulpes: sure, but i'm talking about quality of existence here. own place to shit, own food prep area, not having to constantly piss on preferred chairs. it buys security for effects, and calm of mind that i think BingoBoingo underestimates (unless he is a very different animal from what i imagine)
ben_vulpes: you've astonishing will to keep yourself together around the addicts but i worry about the cost of keeping clenched constantly
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: would own quarters move the needle significantly on morale?
ben_vulpes: i'd rather pay increased living costs either as a flat fee to get into the apartment or monthly on the rental so that you can cook for yourself and get off the street food
ben_vulpes: yeah in re the apartment, BingoBoingo you want to live in the dorms forever or why wasn't that in your ask
ben_vulpes: you want flexibility on the thing he's most insistent on, i'm crunching numbers on an incentive program, so he's leaning on you to make up the difference in the second axis.
ben_vulpes: mod6: he wants, reasonably, a counteroffer on all three axes.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: wouldja be willing to take an incentive payment next may gated on helping me filter the ocean for shared shell customers?
ben_vulpes: mk then
ben_vulpes: mod6: doesn't really make a difference to the books, a liability is a liability. it's going to show up on the balance sheet regardless.
ben_vulpes: mod6: "lump sum of BTC equivalent to 7500 usd", so no conversion necessary
ben_vulpes: what is the difference?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: pretty much what i'm driving at
ben_vulpes: so seems like ftp for l2 heathens, and shell for known l2 and heathens who bathe/stick around for a while and get friendly is a plausible perforation
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: can you elaborate on "time the box"? leaking of user passwords by timing sidechannel?
ben_vulpes: i had nfi linux user isolation was actually completely broken.
ben_vulpes: how the fuck am i to meaningfully sell shared shells on this thing then, if anyone who pays for a month can get in and wreck everyone else on it.
ben_vulpes: does this extend to ftp users as well?
ben_vulpes: a few weeks of sweat to get root?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: so even user-level isolation is a lie on linux?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: can you tell me what kind of bad behavior can be monitored for and how much of a pain it is to set up?
ben_vulpes: appends to whiteboard
ben_vulpes: lobbes, and BingoBoingo while i'm at it since i want to get you on the same train, what kind of commission makes sense to you for flogging shared shells?
ben_vulpes: noted, is obvious when put so.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i recall
ben_vulpes: hostingdiscussion.com at least has a user-enumerable db, but i don't know if an automated approach would get pizarro blacklisted, or even if we care, right? can make another account and pick up where left off.
ben_vulpes: or a mircea_popescu fetlife-style automated PMer to do the outbound
ben_vulpes: the active filtering i'd like to put in is either a regular set of eyeballs (BingoBoingo's, or the mentioned-tangentially sales guy to hire) on the "design" corners of these hosting forums to pm our ads for shells on the shared server to folks who are building websites directly
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: it is. i have neglected sales and putting BingoBoingo to work on that and conveying to him what he needs to know in order to do the shared hosting work that has until now landed on my plate. with the manual i published yesterday im now in a position to hand off new shared shell customers to him, and am looking at a list of hosting forums i put together for filtering over the past two days.
ben_vulpes: so to enloggify BingoBoingo's opening ask, that's ~1.9 btc let's call them bonuses and then another ~.7 btc in salary over the year (all at current rates), is that right?
ben_vulpes: this guide has some good chuckles: gotta denominate corporate accounts in local currency but all fees are denominated in usd for one
ben_vulpes: i think the liquidity is handled but i'll keep that in mind
ben_vulpes: will read
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: cedula gets you ability to open corporate bank accounts, i hope?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: looks like the uy corp is necessary for ips for the rockchips at the very least; and possibly recipient of wires from btc sales
ben_vulpes: k
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: do you know what the costs for establishing this corp in uy are? asciilifeform you still need another trip to .ro to finalize your corp?
ben_vulpes: and i recall that the driver for setting up either uycorp or some other foreigncorp is to get the liability for the dc contract off BingoBoingo's personal neck and onto an impersonal corporation, correct?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: won't a second uy corp just incur more taxes, and then more more taxes when it exceeds the low tax regime hole?
ben_vulpes: no, scans not a great idea. i would like to know what line over which blows you out of the low tax regime, some 20kusd per year do i recall correctly?
ben_vulpes: speaking of, BingoBoingo, now that you have the cedula, are you approaching the point where i can buy usd for wire into your local bank account?
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-17#357608 << since discarded notion of posting an ad on localbitcoins; but there are plenty of offers to pick from in the ~2.5-3% markup range.
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-17#357607 << if this is in reference to my and BingoBoingo's warrants from the first month of operations, pizarro covers BingoBoingo's rent and fodder, and doesn't pay me at all; it is a trade of cash for equity.
ben_vulpes: anyways, keep highlighting where you think i'm dropping the ball and i'll work to not.
ben_vulpes: and yeah, it's school. we don't have those where i come from, so i have a lot of work to do.
ben_vulpes: i don't come here to not be disliked, i come and work because it's challenging, the people here make me think and work hard and don't soft-pedal critiques, and because there's no other ideological island out there that wouldn't be exile after the past four years.
ben_vulpes: republic even the tiniest shittiest beachhead,
ben_vulpes: look my greatest reservation in even taking this gig was that i've not really the know-how, and would be performing poorly in public the whole while. the much-maligned "learning on the job", not that i want in the slightest to 'fake it till i make it'. that by trying, i was more likely to get drummed out of the whole party for not doing a good job. and that's a cost i'm willing pay, i guess, if it builds the
ben_vulpes: i'm listening to your critiques and working to address them directly. if i'm such a drag, mod6 and asciilifeform should probably replace me
ben_vulpes: selling themselves more equity or not, i'm going to bring up paying BingoBoingo more since that's a pretty important point.
ben_vulpes: seems pretty obvious to me that i'm barely keeping my nose above water with just the mechanics of pushing this along. mod6 wants to talk about putting more money in, that's his perogative. i'm assuaging BingoBoingo on bus factor of maintaining the shared server tonight and trying to make sense of the web hosting forums to filter them per yesterday's chat. once mod6 and asciilifeform make a decision about
ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, BingoBoingo asked for documentation on the UY1 shared hosting setup, and automation for same so i put this together: http://pizarroisp.net/newaccounts.txt asciilifeform mod6 pls to eyeball
ben_vulpes: i don't have a clear picture of how pricing these would work either. part of my concern with bonds is that for a largely fiat denominated operation, interest on a btc loan can murder you if the fiat/btc rate goes up significantly, and fiat incomes stay the same.
ben_vulpes: i'd prefer to have a bond mechanism in place.
ben_vulpes: so didja get to see her cult?
ben_vulpes: meuuuuh
ben_vulpes: http://hollywoodlife.com/2018/05/16/allison-mack-first-week-nxivm-joined-cult/ also
ben_vulpes: did we do https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/17/nyregion/nxivm-women-branded-albany.html yet?
ben_vulpes: what, you don't want facial brandings?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: how are you going to learn how to do it but by doing it
ben_vulpes: walk around with hat-in-hand, even to boston partizans
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform mod6: y'all have a timeline for this second round or are we going to leave it at "when necessary"? i prefer to capture commitments shortly after their made (none of this private equity "you commit twenty million today, we ask for it in three years and returns are evaluated on time from wire clearing to divestment date" silliness), and moreover having and not needing trumps needing and having to
ben_vulpes: good morning
ben_vulpes: pretty fine intro course
ben_vulpes: evening then
ben_vulpes: i'm running out of steam, will have to resume tomorrow unless mircea_popescu has pressing qs or comments
ben_vulpes: http://cascadianhacker.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/rockchipestimates.txt
ben_vulpes: sure
ben_vulpes: miserable problem. here's something more interesting, a documented estimate http://cascadianhacker.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/rockchipestimates.org
ben_vulpes: quite possible, i'll look at some others tomorrow.
ben_vulpes: however 404's.
ben_vulpes: it tries to redirect to what the right url should be, though
ben_vulpes: nope
ben_vulpes: yup.
ben_vulpes: i think that's correct
ben_vulpes: ah, pizarroisp.net
ben_vulpes: where is that?
ben_vulpes: correct
ben_vulpes: i have the permalink structure as /index.php/year/month/day , but when i switch it over to /year/month/day it 404's
ben_vulpes: well i got the rewrite, but can't get mpwp to serve at /y/m/d/post
ben_vulpes: so i guess that i have to then write a regex to capture all of the old /index.html/y/m/d/post, redirect 'em to /y/m/d/post
ben_vulpes: neato trinque
ben_vulpes: if any of the mpwpists in teh republic can lend a hand, i could really use it in getting urls that don't have index.php in them
ben_vulpes: i had this in i suppose a too-terse form the other day; shall document with words and links.
ben_vulpes: tightens
ben_vulpes: sure, setting wrong expectations with scary large numbers has its own failure modes
ben_vulpes: unpleasant to run an estimate that comes out kind of marginal and watch hopesndreams go up in smoke as reality sets in
ben_vulpes: i'd rather see the price estimate go down as i tighten numerical accuracy than up; i've no desire to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6q4n5TQnpA
ben_vulpes: i'll rerun this all right now
ben_vulpes: i haven't updated the rc price since the pilot run, and that number assumed 1 transportation run per chassis since i'd not gotten the refutation of that number until just now.
ben_vulpes: conservative estimate
ben_vulpes: !W (+ (* 112 96) (* 4 1000) 2500)
ben_vulpes: !!up candi_lustt
ben_vulpes: ~112 per RC, 2500 transpo, 1k for chassis, 4 chassis, 17,252
ben_vulpes: noted ty
ben_vulpes: ya reasonable, will answer on the next context switch
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: and what, ship 'em onebyone?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what fraction of the plant do you figure should be equipped?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: those were running at a what 4x markup or something stiff last i saw?
ben_vulpes: scratch that; because we need fg i'm asking for 'em.
ben_vulpes: right right well knowing that we booughtcha out i'm asking for a quote hoping (since confirmed) that a new run was in the works or to get one underway
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: for the love of all that is holy i hope you mean "pizarro bought all teh extant fg" and not "all the fg that will ever be already are"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: nifty, keep me poasted
ben_vulpes: and yes asciilifeform mircea_popescu can i get a quote for 96 fg or 100 if that's a more convenient batch size?
ben_vulpes: so we can do an entire production run in one go. fuckin awesome.
ben_vulpes: well that's magnificent and the part i missed
ben_vulpes: i thought it was 24/chassis, 2u/chassis and (for some reason, obviously incorrect), 2 chassis per trip.
ben_vulpes: my mistaken misunderstanding that you could only do 2 chassis of RC plant is incorrect then, which is actually cool
ben_vulpes: i do, clearly!
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: we're not shipping any more single servers down there until uy1 is gagging or l1 asks nicely
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: ah i had some notion that you maxed out at 2 chassis, if we can do it in a single run that'd be great
ben_vulpes: in the meantime, i'll focus on a landing page, wading through the sea of omg that is webhosting forums and planning in detail how to filter the sea, and booting alternatives to extant l1folks for 10kusd btc sales
ben_vulpes: mod6: lemme finish
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-15#356068 << anyways, since there's cash on hand and building what i think are 2 trips worth of rockchip plant would get us more than clearing rent, imma push to get the next two plants into fab so that when the price inevitably dips we have a basis on which to capture http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-05#1809922
ben_vulpes: seventeen lmfao i ain't seen more than 2 in a week in recent memory. far more irksome the raw advertisements from which i must sift actual and extremely rare bits of important mail.
ben_vulpes: one only needs the single return envelope...
ben_vulpes: why bother
ben_vulpes: doesn't depreciate shredder blades on anything but the plastic; everything else gets packed into the prepaid return envelopes
ben_vulpes: far more interesting story than context-free bitchin about the spam imho
ben_vulpes: ah ty asciilifeform, the spare spleen where i keep anxiety thanks you
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-16#356583 << have you pulled the opt out lever and contend it doesn't work or have you not yet
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-15#355976 << if you're burning usd that shoulda been billed to the corp, pls to do so. otherwise, you're burning the usd to...get btc? i don't really understand the objection.
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-16#356543 << i've got folks in-wot i've already pushing btc to over amazon; i'm pretty comfortable with orders in the range of 500-2000 usd; what i'm looking for are folks that want to eat on the order of 10kusd of btc every month or so, that's the comfortable headroom i'd like
ben_vulpes: yo BingoBoingo how about some scans of that hot cedula :P
ben_vulpes: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/iRBZT/?raw=true << entertaining
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-15#356051 << ~2.75 BTC at ~current rates gets 4 chassis with 96 total rockchippen, includes 1 delivery run per chassis.
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-15#355891 << ouch, yes.
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-15#355861 << shant, then.
ben_vulpes: no this is incorrect. i am fighting a fire elsewhere right now, will be back as soon as i can.
ben_vulpes: i don't think it useless nothing as it will snip significant time off report generation. the pressure from the board is to forge forward with the rockchips, but if there's change to be eked from the shared hosting i should capture that as well, so thanks for the prodding.
ben_vulpes: logbot, i mean.
ben_vulpes: i'm going to do it in postgres; should be a lot easier to get php to do both the mysql for the pizarro mpwp and the postgres for deedbot than to port deedbot to mysql
ben_vulpes: mk, makin some progress on the pizarro accounting/assettracking db
ben_vulpes: esthlos: it is very useful to leave them around; the kb wasted in /tmp are negligible and useful in edge case failures
ben_vulpes: i will take this rebuke and mull it over with my kindleberger
ben_vulpes: perhaps i misunderstand, but when i think "securitized" i think "brent" and the forsakeofargument "bvulpes reserve-grade distillate", which anyone can produce from flower if their heads are screwed on with more than 2 threads
ben_vulpes: (imagine living with a foot in both worlds)
ben_vulpes: refinement and aggregation of physical items into fungible paper
ben_vulpes: pot at least has yet to achieve full starbuxxification; and that industrial value-extractor-from-american-moocows will want standardized, homogeneous psychoactive product to spray atop its flavor-of-the-week flower imitation
ben_vulpes: how theoretically wouldja securitize cryptography
ben_vulpes: characteristics of arbitrarium, hydrocarbon refinement byproducts of no more than your mom) are coming to further smear the soi-disant independent thinkers into precisely the same paste the megastate produces everywhere
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: granted, it's a single level of biorefinement, but it's a 'lithium' for the folks who refuse to take their ballas-prescribed sedatives, preferring for whatever reason, the "natural stuff". i'm not saying it's not a pink-sheet securitizable, but that standards for the commoditized (and inevitably, securitized) product (thus and such cbd, that and so thc, viscosities of whatever, optical
ben_vulpes: it'll take a decade but there will be a securitizable asset here, just like pork bellies. only nobody stateside even wants to contemplate the notion because it runs so contrary to their self delusions and delusions of special "girl scout cookie" product burn away
ben_vulpes: and so the bankers will call on margin again and again as the marktomarket value descends.
ben_vulpes: just, not at the prices the farmers want.
ben_vulpes: it's entirely saleable as an input to industrial processes in precisely the same manner as nicotine is sprayed on cigarettes

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