Mocky: mircea_popescu, dunno: hard to tell if dancing while covered head to toe in black cloth
Mocky: 'plus' was googles chance to play the role of bing, but to facebook
BingoBoingo: Nah, not with all the circles. Too much for users.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: both are logging, mine has a gap of several days i must stitch in.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-09 18:52 diana_coman: hm, speaking of costa rica style...do they actually have hot water at the taps in costa rica (i.e. not shower only)?
diana_coman: so hot water yes in qatar but coffee not before 7-8am, weird
deedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2018/10/10/eucrypt-chapter-14-crc32-implementation-with-lookup-table/ << Ossasepia - EuCrypt Chapter 14: CRC32 Implementation with Lookup Table
asciilifeform: diana_coman: pretty neat
diana_coman: asciilifeform, thanks!
asciilifeform: there's a whole bunch of weird stuff in gnat, some of it potentially plunderable, some -- dunno -- e.g. a ~complete implementation of SNOBOL
asciilifeform: !!up billymg
deedbot: billymg voiced for 30 minutes.
billymg: thank you asciilifeform
asciilifeform: billymg: now please repeat your introduction here
billymg: first of all, apologies for cluttering the channel, i missed when my name was mentioned earlier
billymg: i don't mean to only lurk, i'm a long time log reader and am hoping i can be of service to any of the lords in their projects. by trade (as defined in fiat land at least) i am a ux designer and developer. happy to introduce myself in the channel if i am voiced again
asciilifeform: billymg: 1st step is to reg your key and get in wot :
billymg: !!key billymg
asciilifeform: oh hm
asciilifeform: !!reputation billymg
asciilifeform: !!rate billymg 1 new blood
billymg: thank you
asciilifeform: !!v 956CEC42CF618AE84AD5C2755938990AB9542403FB1B409F1CD19EA5D8DA7DD8
deedbot: asciilifeform rated billymg 1 << new blood
asciilifeform: billymg: now try voicing yerself
billymg: !!up billymg
asciilifeform: billymg: pm to deedbot
asciilifeform: otherwise won't work when you're newly plugged in
billymg: i pm the output of the decrypted OTP to deedbot?
asciilifeform: you pm it !!v yourdecryptedstring
asciilifeform: like that.
billymg: ah cool!
asciilifeform: billymg: nao tell us about yerself
billymg: i work for your typical sv company, which is my current connection to a fiat faucet, and for that reason i'd like to keep this identity separate from my fiat identity (to avoid an overzealous coworker who may stumble upon the logs trying to get me kicked for a CoC violation or whatever)
asciilifeform: billymg: i suspect that this hazard is largely mythical : asciilifeform for instance has blogged under his human name for >decade nao, and never 1nce encountered this problem
billymg: i have been working in the "tech industry" for about 10 years now, mostly as a ux designer but i can also produce code
asciilifeform: billymg: for so long as you avoid obvious hand-in-bear-trap in the vein of 'hi, i'm j. smith and i work for xyz corp and their product is liquishit' , generally nobody gives a shit
billymg: asciilifeform: ah, i understood that your situation was more independent, like that of a consultant/contractor?
asciilifeform: billymg: if you're ux/art expert, you will definitely want to be around when mircea_popescu wakes up
asciilifeform: billymg: not always
billymg: fair enough
billymg: art not so much (not a designer of the graphic/illustrator variety)
asciilifeform: billymg: in my experience, if yer fiat shop is looking for a reason to sack you, they'll find one whether or not you posted anyffing 'interesting' ; and if not, and you're actually doing something useful there for the pay, then not
billymg: but more of the software interface variety. although i can also make things look aesthetically pleasing
asciilifeform: billymg: you'll definitely want to speak to mircea_popescu & diana_coman , i suspect
billymg: but i have worked a lot with those in the graphic/illustration side, so can speak their language and manage them through projects if need be
asciilifeform: billymg: are you familiar with s.mg ?
billymg: that's the area of the republic i am perhaps least familiar with
billymg: i know it's the home of eulora
billymg: but not much more
billymg: if that's where the priority is though, then it would be great to help out there
asciilifeform: as i understand that's who ~might~ be interested in ui expertise
asciilifeform: billymg: be sure to stick around when mircea_popescu wakes up, and have portfolio of some kind for him to see
asciilifeform: ( hopefully you have an example of ui work that aint secret )
billymg: i can pull together some older examples, will think about where to host/publish
billymg: more recently i was running the design operation for the company though
BingoBoingo: billymg: You probably want to hang out in #eulora
billymg: BingoBoingo: buenos dias, gracias
mircea_popescu: phf young harlot made "oh, all my friends are on sugardaddy type sites now" comment, made me think of you.
asciilifeform: ohai mircea_popescu
asciilifeform reads the #e spamola, some of it is a++ lulz
asciilifeform: ugh where's mimisbrunnr
asciilifeform: hey ben_vulpes i think mimisbrunnr's voicer br0ke
mircea_popescu: i read !Qatar...
asciilifeform: lobbesbot entirely awol
BingoBoingo: In other news, today is pizarro invoicing day and hanbot's auction closed per "<lobbesbot> AUCTION # 367 has ENDED: 500usd via WU SOLD to BingoBoingo for 76mn coppers. Attn: hanbot" leading to a price of 6579 usd/BTC
asciilifeform: oh hey 1st, afaik, properly-formed usd rate evah
BingoBoingo: As this was a public auction, I am inclined to believe this is the number we should be using for invoicing.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-10 13:51 deedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2018/10/10/eucrypt-chapter-14-crc32-implementation-with-lookup-table/ << Ossasepia - EuCrypt Chapter 14: CRC32 Implementation with Lookup Table
mircea_popescu: dude it's great waking up in the morning.
mircea_popescu: !!rate billymg 1 noob.
billymg: mircea_popescu: ty
mircea_popescu: are you the "BT" on diana_coman 's comment section ?
billymg: i am not
mircea_popescu: a ok
billymg: this nick is new, my key is new, and i am new at irc
mircea_popescu: http://ossasepia.com/2018/10/04/results-of-testing-udp-take-1/comment-page-1/#comment-4288 << item also new :p
a111: Logged on 2018-10-10 15:26 asciilifeform: billymg: i suspect that this hazard is largely mythical : asciilifeform for instance has blogged under his human name for >decade nao, and never 1nce encountered this problem
mircea_popescu: you have no idea (in fact, i am sure no human can form idea, as an attempt from first principles) what the frisco atmosphere is like these days.
mircea_popescu: they literally caged ~50k monkeys who have nothing to do all day. king of the flies is a joke, these are adults (well...) not highschoolers and tens of thousands not hundreds.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i only have a distant idea ( sorta like my idea of the atmosphere of venus )
billymg: fwiw i'm in the nyc branch of sv (impossible to distinguish, i imagine, when on "campus")
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but you're missing the details, such as "girls complaint ? air corrodes tampon thread, can't pull them back out" sorta truly annoying interplay of general principles.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-10#1860043 << if you're very much dedicated to sticking to ux, eg eulora's client's in the early stages of being rewritten, Mocky may want you. otherwise, just pick something and whine at the owner, from v to whatever. write a mp-wp theme. there\s wghat to do.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-10 15:27 billymg: i have been working in the "tech industry" for about 10 years now, mostly as a ux designer but i can also produce code
mircea_popescu: if not -- learn ada or sql or something.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i am also missing-the-details on, e.g., exactly what hand feels like in a bear trap. but got enuff sense not to put it in, or go to sv..
mircea_popescu: well... delicious cake, alfie.
asciilifeform was offered ' go to sv! double, triple pay!111 ' many times, isn't quite ~that~ stupid
mircea_popescu: you don't understand how the world works because alien dragon being of pure energy, charges from wall socket.
mircea_popescu: btw, i utterly fucked up my maffs (i bring sake excuse) : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-10#1859954 tis not 40, tis 160. i applied the 2 factor wrong way.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-10 03:34 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-09#1859841 << hory shit, i still pay ~40. includes pretty girl, nice view, lots and lots of hygienic ritualism... and anesthetic, tho i don't take that.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do you sake hot or cold ?
billymg: mircea_popescu: thank you. Mocky: let me know if you need help with anything
billymg: somewhat related to an mp-wp theme, i'd very much like some reliable hosting. do i join #pizarro to ask about that?
asciilifeform: billymg: absolutely yes
asciilifeform: there's 2 vacant rk boxes btw
asciilifeform: with brand-new disks.
billymg: are the rockchip mini servers shared hosting as well? or is it 1:1 customer:hardware?
asciilifeform: billymg: dedicated per customer
asciilifeform: physical box.
billymg: i tried speaking in pizarro, i don't see a deedbot to message about voice
asciilifeform: billymg: it's manually cranked. you should be voiced nao
billymg: thank you
BingoBoingo: !!invoice billymg 0.03419973 Rockchip 1 Quarter
asciilifeform: billymg: you'll want to fill up your deedbot wallet.
BingoBoingo: !!v 8E22ADBD80D9C4F16ED2424A5FE3DED7BB70838A3876F77A97A80A33C14239E4
deedbot: Invoiced billymg 0.03419973 << Rockchip 1 Quarter
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform warm here.
mircea_popescu: but really, i'm not a huge fan. mostly got it for teh hussies. also had splendid green matcha, mutcha bettera.
asciilifeform pictures mircea_popescu drinking warm sake from genuine vintage tin cup from kamikaze corps
mircea_popescu: actually this is a very nice japanese place, eel, yellowtail, red snapper, even serves kimchi.
mircea_popescu: (immature and overspicy, but then again they're not koreean)
asciilifeform: billymg: prolly this is obvious, but i'ma remind for the record : whatever you do, dun lose yer pgp key. it's your only connection to the wallet, pizarro, wot . nothing can be done for folx who lose key.
mircea_popescu: well, folks who personally know other folks can beg for a rebirth cert from those other folks. not that it fixes everything.
asciilifeform: billymg: the only way to ever change a key is to 1) sign with old 2) ask trinque politely. there are no 'emergency resets'.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: right, but this is not to be relied on. and only even in principle could work for close meatspace associates of existing l1 folx.
mircea_popescu: in any case, even if i say "basfii-liceform is actually asciilifeform 's new key, he managed to lose the old one", you'll be stuck speaking from the new name and depending on everyone evermore both a) encountering that notice and b) giving a shit, to jump the gap.
billymg: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu: understood
asciilifeform: losing key is the ultimate 'coarse error of pilotage', and it's happened before, so worth mentioning to all n00bz.
mircea_popescu: i thought it's "gross error"
asciilifeform: right, prolly better engl.
asciilifeform has nfi what the english pilots call it. perhaps 'mccain pilotage'...
mircea_popescu: lol. mostly used by crash inspectors.
billymg: what is the best method for backup? other drives or paper/physical?
mircea_popescu: billymg this is altogether an open question.
asciilifeform: billymg: intensely personal matter. put it where 1) you'll find it, and can decipher 2) nosy third parties, won't
billymg: fair enough
asciilifeform: billymg: for some , ciphrogram printed on drum printer; for other folx -- burn a 1980s rom chip and put in a crate of 9000 identicals ; for yet others -- memorize ; very deeply personal preference
mircea_popescu: tattoo on slavegirls, whynot. then -- 3bn identicals!
asciilifeform: billymg: out of general principle, and esp. for usaschwitz inmates, it dun hurt to have a well-masqueraded copy sitting some place far from yours or your associates' usual business & habitation
mircea_popescu: i just noticed i sent BingoBoingo an unelf message. were you elf'd before ?
BingoBoingo: I may have been
BingoBoingo: Imma have to do some history consulting
mircea_popescu: whatever, key defense function of key value. so far he's just some guy with a coupla noob ratings. can be reproduced in ~afternoon.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i mentioned it because he put some qty of coin in wallet.
mircea_popescu: oh. right then.
asciilifeform: so potentially painful.
mircea_popescu: iirc other than new voice model, a "flush addy" was also in deedbot upgrade spec.
mircea_popescu: not that it solves the ~general problem~, now gotta safeguard the addy.
billymg: !!reputation billymg
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo don't you find it distinctly amusing that reputation has "puta" in it ?
billymg: not even coupla noob ratings :(
asciilifeform: billymg: it's refreshed nightly
asciilifeform: billymg: notice that you're self-voicing, so the actual mechanism is real-time.
billymg: ah, got it
asciilifeform: only the display, presently, isn't.
mircea_popescu: nothing's instantaneous.
asciilifeform: billymg: you may also take an interest in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1762 , tho the mechanism relies on friendship with existing l1 folx , and is considered experimental ( it is a means of insuring against catastrophic crypto breaks )
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I find it entirely natural and to reputation's credit that it would have puta
mircea_popescu: la re-puta-cion de los di-puta-dos!
billymg: asciilifeform: excellent, noted
mircea_popescu: even translates fine back to english : the rewhoreation of the biwhoretwos.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo hory shit that's a pit viper.
BingoBoingo: Well, it's a couple beaches away from me
mircea_popescu: i had nfi they even lived there.
BingoBoingo: Well, people bring pets
mircea_popescu: that's a helluva pet.
mircea_popescu: but yeah i guess, circus or w/e sorta thing.
BingoBoingo: I think they also might have a zoo over there
BingoBoingo: Fellow could have hitched a ride on a truck
mircea_popescu: snake can be very sneaky, but usually younger / adolescent males. this dude seems quite adult, i'd expect moar territorial with hissings and whatnot.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my recollection is that circus snakes are typically 'fixed', de-venomed. if was 'pet', then prolly belonged to hindu fella
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in orcistan where zoo snake still has glands, prolly the war museum has shells with live fuse still in, betcha
mircea_popescu: usually... who knows. i can't tell from pic iof still has his lol
BingoBoingo: Well, Carrasco where the fellow was found is one of the "richer" barrios
asciilifeform: incidentally, erry so often, a critter untypical for $region turns up, having stowed away in asian shipping container
asciilifeform: it's how we got those pestilential stink-beetles here in washingtonistan
asciilifeform when reads of 'venomous snake found', inevitably thinks of conan doyle's 'speckled band'
mircea_popescu: kinda how the plague m,oved, too. old history of shipping spreading... new ideas.
asciilifeform: or prior : the rat
asciilifeform: ( difficult to picture nao, but at one time the rat was unknown west of urals )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu recall when 'venetian mouse!111'
asciilifeform: there are nao raccoon, i recall, in germany, some idjit brought'em in
BingoBoingo: Well, shipping container would be on the other side of the city. Could be airplane passenger
BingoBoingo: hitchhiked on landing gear, fell when doors opened
asciilifeform: ( raccoon, to euro folx, can look like exotic fairy tale beast, but it's effectively a dog-sized rat , can chew hole straight through the typical north ameristani wooden house )
BingoBoingo: Well, location of being found lines up with airplane approach path
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's ok, euros don't build like that.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they have fields tho. and it apparently knows how to level a hectare/day, like boar
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ( raccoon, to euro folx, can look like exotic fairy tale beast, but it's effectively a dog-sized rat , can chew hole straight through the typical north ameristani wooden house ) << Latinas apparently view mapache (aka. trash panda) as mystery critter and protagonist of children's stories
mircea_popescu: most of yurp pays farmers NOT to farm.
mircea_popescu: " Latinas apparently view mapache (aka. trash panda) as mystery critter" << that's pretty funny, seeing how... that's EXACTLY how people see latinas themselves!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: critter is amazingly resilient, like some kinda miniature grizzly, can eat a 300m/sec gram into forehead and still run
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, maybe you need a better dog?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i dun have a dog, or where to.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: only the 2nd best pill.
mircea_popescu: lol you hunting coons with red ryder ?!
mircea_popescu: aaahahahaha o god
mircea_popescu: ok this was the comedy highpoint of the day!
asciilifeform: what's a 'red ryder'
mircea_popescu: 15yo's rifle.
asciilifeform: aa no, not quite so sad
mircea_popescu: then what's the
BingoBoingo: The best ways to coonicide are 1. 100 lb dog assigned to sentry duty 2. cage traps 3. projectile weapons
mircea_popescu: "300m/s gram" ?
asciilifeform: item drills 2x4 wooden plank, phone book, etc.; specially built for that type of pest.
mircea_popescu: anyway, from experience of my north american east coast dwelling friends, the correct racoon weapon is actually a crossbow.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: funnily enuff, i tried those 1st
mircea_popescu: no dice ?
asciilifeform: nope, gallops away with arrow straight thru
asciilifeform: they're some kinda mutant horror.
mircea_popescu: maybe they meanwhile build armor.
asciilifeform: the fat from eating garbage, is mega-armour.
mircea_popescu: kinda what fat is, yeah.
BingoBoingo: This is why you need 45 kg of either black and tan or bluetick hound assigned to sentry duty against 3 lb pest
asciilifeform would happily use elephant rifle, but not so great in 'civilized' city, 9000 police cars in 5min if one were to
BingoBoingo: http://img3.dogthelove.com/201704/2017/0515/3a/3/022426/original.jpg << One certified killing machine found in quick search
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: believe or not, i actually like (certain) animals, would not inflict habitat like this on dog
BingoBoingo: The dogs enjoy the work
BingoBoingo: They go crazy without it
asciilifeform: ( neighbours have pit bulls, and the poor beasts writhe in their miniscule yard )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 40 pound pest. ( last one i weighed... )
asciilifeform: muzzle as big as some dog's.
BingoBoingo: What the fuck is your neighborhood feeding them
asciilifeform: the beautiful 'natural' wonders of north-ameristan...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nfi
asciilifeform: prolly walmartola leftovers.
BingoBoingo: And this is why people resort to leaving flybait out for all comers http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-19#1715742
a111: Logged on 2017-09-19 04:57 asciilifeform: trinque: how'd you react to neighbour cornfuck leaving poisoned bait for your beast to find ?
BingoBoingo: Maybe you need to start a coyote reintroduction program in your region?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: erry so often, some fucktard does the poison thing, all the cats die, raccoons just get high on it
mircea_popescu: hence the old west expression "a coon's age" for ~forever.
mircea_popescu: deathless beast of the fronteer!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lives for ~decade in wild easily.
asciilifeform: quite unlike rat.
asciilifeform: and generally clever enuff not to get under trucks; even has opposable thumb, can open doors, simple locks, latches...
Mocky: speaking of deathless beasts in the wild, I'm curious how other people get notified when you have new blog comment to be moderated.
asciilifeform: Mocky: mine emails. but i dun recall if mp-wp has this knob.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to round out the thread, trick was to actually rtfm -- forehead thick. gram in ear was the magic pill, worked where arrow in torso didn't.
asciilifeform: i bet pro exterminators study skulls, dissect, properly do homework.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: lives for ~decade in wild easily. << From what I understand coons live fast for 1-3 years and that's it
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: maybe in forest of montana.
asciilifeform: where they gotta actually forage for wasp hives etc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i recall this video of a coon exhibiting all the "intelligent" behaviour of black chicks code : was rubbing a rock against a glass door, because it had seen rocks open glass doors before but didn't quite understand how impact works. so cargocultcoon.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there aint so many critters that know how to think about glass
mircea_popescu: right. but -- trying, works!
asciilifeform: if they learn how to use rocks, we're sunk
asciilifeform: ( or at least 'civilized' ameristan is )
asciilifeform: fortunately thing has ~wallnut brain.
mircea_popescu: molotov cocktail coon squad!
mircea_popescu: they really could do it! rob 7/11 stores for bottles and car tanks for gasoline, end the world.
asciilifeform: recall, rats in stalingrad chewed cables, took out plenty of tank turret rotators on both sides
asciilifeform: imho raccoon bred for brain would be mega-bioweapon.
asciilifeform: fuckers can unscrew jars.
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bl-QY84hojs << hah, found mircea_popescu's rock beast
asciilifeform: yea same
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> fuckers can unscrew jars. << The can also "play", I recall one time at scoutcamp they improvised a hockey game using a tin as a puck. Coons are perfectly capable of doing it for the lulz.
mircea_popescu doesn't share the coon hate, having never lived for long where they actually were pests.
mircea_popescu: ~everyone in mass/ct/nh/vermont etc fucking hated coons tho.
asciilifeform: they're great when yer in a place where it's in zoo, like kangaroo.
asciilifeform: not so hot when right there when you open front door.
mircea_popescu: i believe.
BingoBoingo: I suspect they only become mega pest in areas with coyote and deer deficiency
mircea_popescu: i dunno, plenty of deer in the ne.
BingoBoingo: When I left hometown they were pest, but not asciilifeform doomsday pest. More urban customers to my last fiat employment described asciilifeform type doomsday pest, but they also lacked coyotes
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: plenty of deer here. the 2 species dun compete for fodder at all, afaik
BingoBoingo: Both raid trash. I suspect the coyote is bigger factor. Takes 40 lb scavenger/predator niche
asciilifeform: i have yet to see a deer eat rubbish.
asciilifeform: they'll eat grass, and yes garden
asciilifeform: but dumpster ?!
BingoBoingo: Have seen
asciilifeform: deer imho aint comparable to a dog-sized rat with human hands, re lulz potential
asciilifeform: as for coyote, naturally none in the city, lol, no wolf either
mircea_popescu: depends. one day walking through forest saw doe chased by "barking" buck, tied up companion naked, arms bound behind back and hoisted over branch, then fucked her. great lulz were had!
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-10#1859947 >> btw, has there been any consideration of publishing a signed tar ball of the first, say half million blocks. not to have them set in stone, but like 'at height 550000, these were the first 500k' for purpose of eat-block jumpstart for nodeless noobs, such as myself? Log search didn't reveal it to my eyes.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-10 01:24 asciilifeform: qatar >> https://archive.is/uy5I6 << nuffing but prb... perhaps Mocky will fix..
asciilifeform: Mocky: various folx published signed hashes
asciilifeform digs in l0gz..
mircea_popescu: Mocky yes, actually. both as current "checkpoint" mechanism and otherwise. but you gotta also familiarize self with "fleet in being" concept, discussed in logs pluriously.
mircea_popescu: key part of tmsr defense doctrine.
asciilifeform: mod6, jurov : trb ml down ??
asciilifeform: !#s blkcut
asciilifeform: !#s eatblock
asciilifeform: ^ see also
Mocky: ahh, thx
a111: Logged on 2015-06-29 04:51 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdsums/readme_s.txt http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdsums/sums.txt.gz http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdsums/sums.txt.gz.sig
asciilifeform: early attempt
asciilifeform: see the readme re what's what.
asciilifeform: observe that you can trivially replicate the thing.
asciilifeform: ( all you need is that little bash , and a reasonably recent trb )
mod6: asciilifeform: seems up from here -- but yah, we've had problems with it lately.
mircea_popescu: i see it.
asciilifeform: Mocky: keep in mind that 'aggressive' trb syncs in (pessimistically) 2-3 weeks. so not much point in throwing around whole balls of blox.
asciilifeform: but to hash'em -- useful.
asciilifeform: i've thought in the past to have aluminum ( see l0gz re why ) cd's pressed with some qty of blocks
asciilifeform: but it'd be quite bulky, physically, and expensive.
asciilifeform: !#s blocks antifuse
asciilifeform: ^ see also threads.
Mocky: oh, i didn't realize it was that much better with aggression. my prior, discouraged attempt was without aggression and looking to be substantially slower than 3 weeks
mircea_popescu: of course now we have keccak ready also...
mircea_popescu: !#s "acordionize"
Mocky: mircea_popescu, the significance of keccak here is to have a better hash of same?
mircea_popescu: for the job here discussed, keccak stands with "other hash" like car stands with kitchen robot.
mircea_popescu: in the immortal words of kramer, "i tried to make gravel and... it... it just didn't work"
Mocky: i got lost on kitchen robot, non existing item?
mircea_popescu: La fille de joie est belle au coin de la rue là-bas. Elle a une clientèle qui lui remplit son bas... /me sings
mircea_popescu: Mocky it's a riff on how they use tiny mouthfuls at time. car just goes.
asciilifeform: Mocky: 'kitchen robot' is euro for usa's 'phood processor'
Mocky: ooohhh, i get it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: keccak is exactly the right pill for trbi, and iirc mircea_popescu was actually 1st to point this out, yrs ago
asciilifeform: but yes also oughta be put into service in all proggies where we previously had sha
asciilifeform: incl. the block archiver
asciilifeform: ( simply swap the 'sha512sum' in http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdsums/readme_s.txt for phf's standalone keccaktron )
asciilifeform: Mocky: 'aggressive' trb vs regular, is just about 'night and day'. i also have ben_vulpes's 'super aggression' item lined up for test.
asciilifeform: it closes the remaining gap ( in his variant, long-connected but non-block-delivering peers get hassled for blox proactively )
mircea_popescu: problem with sha is that it has no niche besides "fuck you, i'm lazy", and even there... md5.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, in crc applications crc32 much better, as alf pointed out ; and in what-is-being-hashed-is-long applications, keccak npq.
mircea_popescu: i can't think of what else is a hash used for.
mircea_popescu: certainly i'd rather use keccak than ~anything else for the "make crypto out of trapdoor" style alf thing for example
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: keccak even worx as a stream cipher, and afaik no better or worse than other extant examples.
mircea_popescu: well, minigame using serpent, but anyways.
asciilifeform: ( stream ciphers are a 'religious' topic , imho )
asciilifeform: the 1 plus of keccak-abuse is that you can make the key whatever size you want. but that's more or less it.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 15:55 asciilifeform: but to return upstack , if one could design a satisfactory ( somehow! ) hash , it would thereby also necessarily be a satisfactory symm cipher.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-02 18:10 asciilifeform: a 'secure prng' is fundamentally THE SAME animal as the 'secure hash' and the 'secure blockcipher'.
asciilifeform: !!up bvt
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bvt: Hello, I am BT from the recent diana_coman's comments section
bvt: I have a bug report for vpatch from phf
asciilifeform: bvt: possibly fastest n00b-birth-to-key-regged to date
asciilifeform: bvt: ideally you'd put it on your www, where we'll read
asciilifeform: but p.bvulpes.com will work in a pinch
bvt: Sorry, don't have a WWW, but the fix should be a one-liner
asciilifeform: bvt: since you're already playing with a vtron, i suspect you know what the correct process is re patch
asciilifeform: ( and yes even 1liner )
bvt: sure, but I guess you are interested in explanation as well?
bvt: musl wants 6 template chars: http://git.musl-libc.org/cgit/musl/tree/src/temp/mktemp.c#n13
asciilifeform: bvt: didja get the orig to actually fail ?
asciilifeform: or is this a theoretical boojum
bvt: empty string ("") is special-cased in GNAT runtime, which does mktemp equivalent internally
bvt: but also sets a Temp bit in File record
asciilifeform: bvt: plz answer the given q tho
asciilifeform: does it bomb, yay or nay
bvt: sorry, slow typer
bvt: GNAT 2016 runtime deletes all files with temp bits at the Finalization stage, so everything should work fine. (Not an ada specialist, so when finalization is actually run is a mistery to me)
asciilifeform: per the standard it fires when object goes out of scope
bvt: GNAT 2017, though, deletes such files on Close call.
asciilifeform: interesting. so will bomb on gnat-2017 ?
asciilifeform: iirc ave1's current draft of libc-less gnat is based on 17. but afaik nobody's tried the thing on it yet ( with possible exception of bvt )
bvt: Which explodes at http://btcbase.org/patches/vtools_vpatch#L789, after close at http://btcbase.org/patches/vtools_vpatch#L778
asciilifeform: !!rate bvt 1 n00b, ada/vtronics experiments
bvt: Nope, ave1's is 2016
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asciilifeform: bvt: i assume you already know how to self-voice; if not, deedbot.org/help.html
bvt: well, I was reading logs for a really long time
asciilifeform: bvt: tell us a bit about yerself
bvt: I can't say I'm doing anything interesting in everyday life (PhDing in CS)
bvt: I live in germany, ukr by origin
asciilifeform: bvt: if it aint a seekrit, what sub-subject in particular ?
asciilifeform so happens also an ukr, at least by modern day map
bvt: "security", so in the end in boils down to handwaving problems away with TLS (aka pseudosecurity)
asciilifeform: hey, asciilifeform does a similarly loathesome, and at times ~identical, thing, for money in the saeculum. for so long as you approach it the way kepler approached his work as horoscope-maker, it's livable
mircea_popescu: o hey!
asciilifeform: tho i wonder -- in principle academics get to pick their subject. so how'd you end up with ~that~ ?
bvt: Hello mircea_popescu!
bvt: I was too naive when I entered academia. Hoped for honest investigation of technology, but everyone there seems to be ok with building on broken stuff.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-10#1860394 << even if it doesn't actually bomb, he has a point.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-10 21:18 asciilifeform: interesting. so will bomb on gnat-2017 ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, he does
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was curious how he found, is all.
mircea_popescu: possibly -- read.
asciilifeform: entirely possib
bvt: I was man-aloning for quite some time
mircea_popescu: well, they say the path to sanity comes with finding out there's a word for insanity
bvt: Reapplied ave1's patches over gnat17, and musl-cross-make (https://github.com/richfelker/musl-cross-make/)
mircea_popescu: (this is not even so trivial a point -- generally insanity is perceived as so very personal by the insane.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in more general considerations, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-10#1860386 << why the fuck are they doing the satoshi * thing!
a111: Logged on 2018-10-10 21:15 bvt: empty string ("") is special-cased in GNAT runtime, which does mktemp equivalent internally
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: man 3 mktemp
asciilifeform: ( yes, they are. but posix, rather than gnat per se )
asciilifeform: 'The mktemp() function generates a unique temporary filename from template. The last six characters of template must be XXXXXX and these are replaced with a string that...' etc
mircea_popescu: item removed in 2008.
asciilifeform: tho interestingly also
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu inb4.
mircea_popescu: introduced in 2001. would explain why yt blisfully unaware.
asciilifeform: ( removed in favour of ~what~ , i do not presently know )
mircea_popescu: well... maybe 12 characters.
mircea_popescu: since we're doing this... "BUGS
mircea_popescu: Never use mktemp(). Some implementations follow 4.3BSD and replace
mircea_popescu: XXXXXX by the current process ID and a single letter, so that at most
mircea_popescu: 26 different names can be returned. Since on the one hand the names
mircea_popescu: are easy to guess, and on the other hand there is a race between test‐
mircea_popescu: ing whether the name exists and opening the file, every use of mktemp()
mircea_popescu: is a security risk. The race is avoided by mkstemp(3)."
mircea_popescu: let me guess, this is like, the golden age of f&o&linus source ?
asciilifeform: oh gets better, watch :
asciilifeform: mkstemp : 'In glibc versions 2.06 and earlier, the file is created with permissions 0666, that is, read and write for all users. This old behavior may be a security risk... ...More generally, the POSIX specification of mkstemp() does not say anything about file modes...'
mircea_popescu: why are we importing this turdology again ?
asciilifeform: nobody's baked a proper one yet. tho i can't presently see why it'd be difficult
phf: posix mandates 6 x's, glibc 3 or more, etc. thanks bvt for catching it, though it seems like a solution is to roll own
asciilifeform: bvt: try voicing yourself ( pm deedbot, see the linked help )
mircea_popescu: phf why do you even use it at all ? i mean... hash the time with a salt, that's your filename. no good ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: potential headache with processes running on parallel cpu
mircea_popescu: why ?
asciilifeform: 2 get same time turd, then collide, neh
mircea_popescu: mtime ever returns the same value ?
phf: well, you still have to stat the filesystem to make sure you're not clobbering
mircea_popescu: fine, hash(mtime + urand bit + salt)
mircea_popescu: "bit" as in "little bit" colloquial.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not that i see it as particularly likely, but afaik cannot be guaranteed not to, at least not w/out using inline asm, e.g. RDTSC on x86
mircea_popescu: neither "add some entropy" nor "inline asm" strike me as bad solutions.
asciilifeform: iirc we actually had this thread, and asciilifeform concluded 'just get 256bits from FG, and you're golden'
asciilifeform: !#s gensym
mircea_popescu: though i've never seen this thing where parallel execution gets same clock value. i half suspect it's hardware fucked to not.
phf: asciilifeform: to be fair musl's version is naive, it generates/stats in a loop until there's no collision, but theoretically you can still get a race condition. glibc i believe does all kinds of smart tricks to ensure that doesn't happen, but it's all magic
bvt: iirc mkdir does atomic 'create or error-out'
mircea_popescu: bvt unless "new" posix, that's what it is yes.
asciilifeform: bvt: thing is, there is 0 reason for this operation to ever eggog
asciilifeform: unless disk , i suppose, is full
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform many reasons. full media.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: right. but otherwise ~must~ succeed
mircea_popescu: full the other way (all possible names present)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: compute, for a laugh, the size of the disk where this can take place
mircea_popescu: were we discussing must or might ?
asciilifeform: ( it won't fit in galaxy )
mircea_popescu: unless there's further constraints, such as "all random numbers are 4"
asciilifeform: lol or unless wings fall off...
asciilifeform: rng is 'jesus bolt'
mircea_popescu: yes well ?
asciilifeform: ( if rng is sad, absolutely anyffing can happen, and imho this oughta be understood by errybody )
mircea_popescu: not what we were talking about! still error condition.
asciilifeform: oughta be a machine-halting eggog imho.
asciilifeform: 'evacuate nao'
a111: Logged on 2018-10-10 21:22 bvt: I can't say I'm doing anything interesting in everyday life (PhDing in CS)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is an amusing symmetry, republican machine that halts if it can't touch entropy like imperial machine that halts if it can't phone nsa hq.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: imho it's the honest thing to do. red lamp, 'grab yer parachutes nao!!', claxons.
asciilifeform: halon valve opens.
mircea_popescu: you're such a drama queen.
mircea_popescu: anyone told you before ?
asciilifeform: i'd be pretty interested to see FG spontaneously fail, what with the 4x redundant iron.
asciilifeform: ( and not as if it had no 'jesus bolt', it is sadly unknown to me how to make entirely without one )
mircea_popescu: this'd make a great sf-ish story : archeologist in far future uncovers remains of lost intergalactic civilisation,
mircea_popescu: and manages to figure out how to use ONE artefact
mircea_popescu: and it's a fg
mircea_popescu: and it... fails.
mircea_popescu: FOR THE FIRST TIME IN ITS HISTORY
asciilifeform: well the current crop aint rated to last >25yrs, not without rewriting the eeprom anyway
asciilifeform: but let the archaeologist find the fyootoor maskrom'd one.
mircea_popescu: "my phd in ancient history is -- the reason X civilisation died. turns out, physics subtly cvhanged, rendering environment uninhabitable for them"
asciilifeform: eh imho that's a 'dog bites man'. i'm moar into 'man bites dog', i.e. ~habitable~ 'small' changes-in-physics...
asciilifeform: ( habitable-yet-measurable at any rate )
mircea_popescu: yes well... great sf is always large scale dog bites man, imo.
mircea_popescu: scale so large, the dog sneaks up on you.
mircea_popescu: but maybe im too kafkian.
asciilifeform scratches carapace thoughtfully
mircea_popescu: i suppose the dog&man permutation duality translates escape-or-enslave dilemma.
mircea_popescu: you know, boat crashes on amazon island. some of the sailors -- excited to be rescued. some others -- burned down rescuer ships.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: btw recall that we have red lamp already ( iirc i suggested claxon too, back in the design days, but mircea_popescu said enuff-is-enuff )
mircea_popescu: imagine if fg had to come with semi tractor trailer.
asciilifeform: betcha it would, if usg.cisco.crapple had built it..
mircea_popescu: anyway, point being -- lamp's enough, don't have to turn off the chap's computor.
asciilifeform: if i ever find that mine stopped, whole thing is going to dissection table, fg, comp, power supplies, etc
mircea_popescu: yes well.
asciilifeform: btw folx read '>25 yrs' and laugh, but i have 30+y.o. iron on my desk even nao, working.
asciilifeform: ( presently, the 'model f' thing, in the past, others )
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asciilifeform: lol if only
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mircea_popescu: aha. 1 btc not bad,
asciilifeform: i dun expect any takers, but in the interest of lightening the collection / potentially feeding teh hungry...
asciilifeform: it's a niche item, like synchrophasotron.
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mod6: my personal node corrupted again. I'll be pulling it off the list of nodes until it's rebuilt... takes about 10 days with eatblock.
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mod6: I will be looking for a new place to host after my contract is up in november.
asciilifeform: billymg: various notes re uses for rk , for your enjoyment -- http://thewhet.net/2018/08/hanbots-znc-bouncer-notes/ , http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/06/mein-kompendium-mp-wp/ , http://blog.esthlos.com/mp-wp-setup/
mircea_popescu: funny how rereads work! so back in 2013, i think all http://trilema.com/2013/the-doctrine-of-total-depravity/ is "religion is bs". but today -- all it really says is that protestantism has fuckall to do with any kind of abstract faith. it was attempt to organize takeover from day one and naught else. the only protestant faith really is a sort of half-republic, "this is the instrumentality of taking over". nobody among their r
mircea_popescu: anks ever bothered to think through the http://trilema.com/2018/cu-cartile-pe-masa-un-fleac-l-au-ciuruit/#selection-231.3-239.4 "stump for the sitting" problem, it's true, but anyways.
mircea_popescu: "APOLOGIA PRO NOMINE MEO. Out of consideration (in part) to such readers as may read this book I have assumed a name by which they may refer to me (if ever he or she may wish to do so kindly) in the same manner at least twice running--a feat of pronunciation which few of my English acquaintances have performed with my natal name. But there is also another reason, considerate of the author. I have been told that there are writ
mircea_popescu: ers whose works would have been famous if only their names could have been familiarly pronounced--Polish and Russian writers for the most part, I gather.
mircea_popescu: Since I had already taken every other precaution but this to deserve their more fortunate fate, in changing my name I have, I hope, robbed my readers of their last excuse for my obscurity."
mircea_popescu: the punch line, being, i suppose -- guess the fellow's name.
billymg: asciilifeform: everything seems in order with the new box
asciilifeform: billymg: ty for confirming. and dun hesitate to ask if you have q, here or in #p
billymg: i seem to have lost voice in #p again (perhaps from bouncer disconnect -- which will be moving to the new box as soon as i have time to setup)
billymg: can i self-voice in #pizarro?
asciilifeform: mod6: is there a simple way to perma-voice folx in #p ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is way to add ppl to an autovoice list, +V or something, see teh freenode dox
asciilifeform: will rtfm then
mircea_popescu: fwiw, the spamlulz ceased coupla days ago, #eulora prevails.
asciilifeform: oh hey
mircea_popescu: "Once (in those far-off peaceful days when men still had enough grammatical sense to know that the word "pacifist" does not exist, but that the less convenient "pacificist" does) " << lulz.
mircea_popescu: it's funny how the neologisms of pantsuit are all "created last sunday", so to speak. "egotism" ? "altruism" ? meaningless drivel from the pap mills.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in "female interest" webtardation : "Areas of Interest Select all that apply. Vaginal Steaming Womb, Wine & Wellness Night Broth Lessons (individual or group) BROTHrive Membership".
billymg: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-11#1860578 < thanks for these. might be handy for new customers to include these links (and the links shared here http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-10-11#440371) on an info page somewhere on http://pizarroisp.net
a111: Logged on 2018-10-11 00:54 asciilifeform: billymg: various notes re uses for rk , for your enjoyment -- http://thewhet.net/2018/08/hanbots-znc-bouncer-notes/ , http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/06/mein-kompendium-mp-wp/ , http://blog.esthlos.com/mp-wp-setup/
billymg: under some kind of "sample guides, no warranty" header