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1000 entries found in trilema for 'f:ascii mp_' :

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it is difficult to resist a good ol'fashioned gloves-off flamefest , but i give my word re to not spam your chan ( in fact will be mostly afk for next coupla d. )
asciilifeform: the final output i'ma put on own www, as mp_en_viaje explicitly req'd.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: you ordered a full iron inventory of anyffin that may fall under snsa, so it's happening.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: will put. gotta sort out who the FG must go to tho, before can sign on these.
asciilifeform: ( pet (who ate 100% log) to a: 'so, finally '38, he declared you a враг народа, eh' ; a:'aha. i expect transport crate that fits you will be showing up soon; as you know, mp claims ownership of all gurlz, yer gettin' repossessed' p : 'lol' )
asciilifeform: if asciilifeform is 'thief', then what he 'stole' is , i suppose, republic's tech stack. and 'stole' via same mechanism that mp 'steals' gurlz from castratos, i.e. by simply showing up. it aint my fault that asciilifeform's left hand flew circles around errybody else's collective pairs of hands historically.
asciilifeform: while mp_en_viaje prolly intends to try an' paint asciilifeform as a thief, on top of charlatan, i've no intention of making ~that~ job easy for him.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'ma put this in the signed statement, but 2 of the fg here belong, presently, to piz. the rest (in fact factory tailings that were never on the official books) -- to mp. and ideally he'll say where he wants'em mailed, when properly proclaims liquidation.
asciilifeform: trinque i rec to print out this log and reread it at your own tribunal. which will come ifnot this april, then next april, or whenever mp_en_viaje decides to rip off yer epaulettes for not coming up with 'biz plan' where you live on threepence/day to rewrite deedbot in php.
asciilifeform: ( vs a ' mp_en_viaje proclaimed damnatio memoriae , and we'll all follow along like automata ' )
asciilifeform: trinque: why would i bother to expand, if 'had contempt' ? i entirely respect the l1. which is why would like a proper, well-reasoned bullet from each remaining lord.
asciilifeform: again w/ the psychobabbles. as if i've any need to 'excuses'. i'm speaking strictly to spell out the logical implications of what mp_en_viaje said, for the thick. ( and incidentally i dun disagree w/ him, if you want to be rid not only of asciilifeform but of his ghost, you gotta rewrite it all in php, cpp, on microshit... )
asciilifeform: trinque: where's the line where asciilifeform blames mp_en_viaje ( or trinque , et al ) for an item that aint done ?
asciilifeform: trinque: you think mp_en_viaje needs echoes, 'yes men' ? fella knows what he wants. ( what wants, is to somehow have working tech, while cutting off own hands. incidentally yer prolly next hand to be cut. )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: my observation is that mp_en_viaje set up ~circular~ firing squad, that is sure to continue after asciilifeform properly drummed out.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: you in fact read & signed the patches of all items i touched that were put to use in smg. so per mp_en_viaje's philosophy, that makes you equal to the orig author. if the item you signed indeed was product of artful sabotage, you an' i are equally answerable .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: but of course. 7y+ waste of pixels, obv. so let's then settle all the objectively unfinished biz ( trinque where is tx 5e2b91f003f4af577244005ee0fd57701a03abeae76323716d06eb71f49b7837 ? ) and be done.
asciilifeform: this is spelled out in asciilifeform's resignation, which ( as mp_en_viaje 'can't be arsed to larp!11' ) i'ma drop into deedbot when the tx clears and BB returns photos etc.
asciilifeform: << ftr ~asciilifeform~ likes his 7o of works just fine. and will continue to make'em available, and developed, in the obvious place. (for whom? for folx who get tired of 'php republic'; for folx who stuck b/w mp_en_viaje's hammer and anvil , having to actually make the systems go, while elaborately pretending to do it with properly blessed 'aryan physics' ; or for no one at al
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: actually i disagree that it's unpleasant. i fully expected you'd stall for weeks. but much better to have the firing squad when ready, and not when 'weeks of reflection', this is sumthing i think sovok got right
asciilifeform: << right, the only trooly intentional act is to sit in cafe and smoke cigar made of benjies. whereas to try an' sew some sorta usable purse outta 30 yrs of 'tech market' sow's ear , is what furniture does. ( at least mp_en_viaje is 100% consistent with his greeks, aristotle would sign under this. 'kings -- intention, while work is what livestock does' .)
asciilifeform: ( it aint clear for what mp_en_viaje wants'em, aside from outta spite, if they're a work of sabotage; but it aint my place to ask )
asciilifeform: asciilifeform for instance is aboutta put'em back into production. ( mp_en_viaje asked to repossess whole current stock, which he'll get, when posts where he wants'em to go ; and so happens that i'ma need new ones. )
asciilifeform: indeed i expect mp_en_viaje is very busy nao, what with mailing out razor blades an' page #s where asciilifeform has to be cut outta the great soviet encyclopaedia.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i can't resist to ask, why did mp_en_viaje not yet accept asciilifeform's resignation ?
asciilifeform: i dun even grasp, mp_en_viaje , why mp_en_viaje et al are in 'omfg wat-do' mode. the Right Thing to do , per mp_en_viaje's handbook, and all written tradition, is ~exactly~ this.
asciilifeform: or, even simpler, go straight to microshit, they've a ready-made stack for errything, incl. crypto, with absolutely 0 asciilifeform 'worm shite' in it.
asciilifeform: so, it happens that i agree 100% with mp_en_viaje's 'wat-do' -- yes, throw out the poisoned offerings. all of'em. go to stone age circa 2013, remake yer tech stack w/ own steam ( and remember to properly steal the asciilifeform creations you can't actually do without, pick a designated aryan to assign credit. )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i dun have kilometre of buffer, maybe half dozen moar. ( atm waiting for walletron refill tx to get mined so i can settle invoice , and BingoBoingo to post photos for final manifest. )
asciilifeform: << there's no chance we're going to the same hell, mp_en_viaje . we're going to different hells, aint room enuff in 1 for both of us.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: maybe, which is why bothering to answer.
asciilifeform: << apparently mp's allegiance is to the inca state. with ~himself~ in role of the great inca.
asciilifeform: pretty great 1938 sovok trial going here. ( tho for some reason mp, in role of andrey vyshinsky, forgot to unplug asciilifeform's microphone ? and process the confession ? )
asciilifeform: same as above, but decodable by mp_en_viaje key .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: meanwhile ( per tradition of asciilifeform's homeworld ) here is my resignation. mp_en_viaje can unseal if he wishes, or wait until march or whatever fits his aesthetics.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i expect to sign the final inventory today, after BingoBoingo cuts my seals and inspects the inside of the 'dulap's.
asciilifeform: fwiw mp_en_viaje made it quite clear in june '19 that he intends to close snsa. and this was part of the reason why i set up private rack, it will host phuctor in-exile, asciilifeform's www, and anyone else who has the courage and dun insist on marionette control of the entire thing simply as condition of hosting a box or 2.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i'm hosting a demo box for diana_coman , so it aint purely 'your' .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: if you intend to fatwa all properly orthodox folx from subscribing, plox to let diana_coman know, give her time to find new blog host.
asciilifeform: re 'play dc', asciilifeform's 'evil, useless dc' will be there 1y, 2y, from nao. and open to anyone of asciilifeform's l1 who wants, even mp_en_viaje.
asciilifeform: also i hate to piss on mp_en_viaje's freudian parade, but i haven't got 'self image' or whatever other nonsense phlogistons tlp et al persuaded mp_en_viaje of existing.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the only missing piece is BingoBoingo's count of the items currently in his flat. after it matches mine, will sign.
asciilifeform: anyways after BingoBoingo counts , i'ma post signed text where mp_en_viaje asked, so long as he gives his word that will actually read it.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform worx 14h+ days. mp_en_viaje sits in cabaret and smokes 100$ bills. but somehow the former is 'avatar of lazy', eh.
asciilifeform: i could ask same of mp_en_viaje
asciilifeform: the blog mp_en_viaje dun read? lol
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: do you want this as a signed text ?
asciilifeform: this afaik completes the list.
asciilifeform: all pre-april2017 inventory, mp had written off .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: there are 4 FG here; 12 spare analogue boards. at piz there is a , a , and 34 FG (that were sold to piz, and i have still nfi whether mp_en_viaje wanted'em back physically or as coin.) there also were 4 x 256GB mostly spent ssds, they are in the mail and i've nfi whether will see'em again, neither
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: plox to gen an' sign that addr. otherwise if there aint a hole into which asciilifeform can pay, i suspect even the still-hypnotized folx won't buy then 'ran off!111' .
asciilifeform: moar alive nao than ever. as for mp_en_viaje , plox to post the signed addr. piz liquidators, plox to take proceedings to #p. folx who intend to continue to crib off asciilifeform's work, which continues, or want functioning hosting : to #a. (which i'ma take is no longer official mp castle, i'ma take off the sign shortly.) next gen of FG will still be produced, on asciilifeform's dime ( and i'ma respect mp_en_viaje's wishes if he wan
asciilifeform: as for this -- can read nao, or never, or year later, will still be there, when asciilifeform operating the only 'gossip' hosting backbone-sitting isp, and mp_en_viaje excommunicated 5 moar people for failing to lay atlantic fibers for him, and still has none.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: also plox to generate an addr where you want it, and sign. ( i dunno if will be able to operate deedbot after we're through and asciilifeform is unplugged in #t. )
asciilifeform: that being said, let's make it faster , iirc mp_en_viaje valued the snsa gear at piz at 0.9. invoice asciilifeform for 0.9, i'm already warming up cold wallet to pay mp_en_viaje the earlier 0.3 invoice .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: explain what diff it oughta make to asciilifeform whether gets fraudulent '-10 : ran off with the gear' or '-10 : ferrocranium refused to go on isp suicide mission' from mp_en_viaje ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the inventory's in piz.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: re snsa, it was always yours to do with as you wanted, was structured in such a way (w/ the e.g. 'mpex fee' exponential growth) that asciilifeform was guaranteed never to see a bitcent from it. ( and knew this; worked w/ mp_en_viaje strictly outta principle. )
asciilifeform remembers that mp_en_viaje dun read #o
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: might want to let diana_coman know, to 'stop follow the amateur exertions', she's been assigning e.g. '' as homework.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: can persuade to read ? can then barf correctly. ( the #s dun lie, in fact show what intake can expect per subscriber, etc. ) even if you build own isp, the ~same mechanics will apply.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: didja barf before or after reading ( as promised ) 2nd ed of #s ?
asciilifeform: ohai mp_en_viaje
asciilifeform: 'make me a can opener.' 'here's a can opener, mp' 'fuck you tard, where's the steel mill and coal, iron mines, to go with that!?'
asciilifeform: not many dc can even ~house~ 1000+. was mp also proposing to build a dc ?! ( if so, why specced 'rack' ? )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: fwiw, afaik all of the iron that's actually on the books, with the exception of 4 very worn 256G ssd (~50 $ if were new) that i had BingoBoingo mail , is at piz. so you can liquidate even nao if you like.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: why not detail what you had in mind, before we do the mutual -10 / declaring each other traitors thing.
asciilifeform: << i dunget: per mp's lights it was shoddy isp. but he wanted to buy it ?
asciilifeform: ftr i do not in fact disagree with mp's 'expand the republic, you maggot' . but i also have a principled objection to selling things that dun physically exist, and rely on unknowns in order to come into existence. ( recall, i refused to offer FG for pre-order until it was in fact rolling off conveyor at factory.) hence i built multiphase rocket, that does not ~hard-depend~ on a rate of expansion in order to stay alive.
asciilifeform: (among other things, full BOMs for the irons (as per mp_en_viaje's crit) are given in the article.)
asciilifeform: there's people there at all hrs, apparently. last time asciilifeform went to set up that box for mp, the liveried 'coloco' limo was in fact running and standing by front door, opened up, and driver was waiting for somebody...
asciilifeform recalls as a 3yo playing w/ grandfather's set of rubber stamps; no fewer than dozen, and in astonishing variety of shapes/sizes
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: afaik, anglo 'law' is ~100% this. ( and, as superset, mp's description. )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: right, but mp_en_viaje is also right, i dun have a heavy-industry grade operation atm. possibly after successfully serving blog-grade rk's etc such as yours, for a while, can build 'tower of go-for-broke'.
asciilifeform: would rather read mp_en_viaje gripe about idiot dependencies than set up another titanic tho.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: aite. but if you did, a mp_en_viaje mirror would be a++ test of pipe.
asciilifeform would offer to mp_en_viaje another pilot, w/ properly written instruction manuals, but sadly cannot yet, the 'dulap' crates aint here yet, grr
asciilifeform: Bingoboingo: fwiw i was entirely fooled by latech's dressing up as 'actual datacenter', so cannot say 'yes, indeed, this is surely it'. but fwiw very diff. picture than what saw there. (e.g. each of the 3 halls is fully 4+x the size of latech's 1, and inhabited mostly by actual comps, not old 'dell's stacked in a heap, tho at least 1 halfcab in fact contained those). only time/actual usage can tell the diff b/w sham and troo dc, afai
asciilifeform: ( why 30amp plug, when 10amp feed ? no one knows )
asciilifeform: Bingoboingo: also came w/ a pdu but with 1 of those 30amp ameriplugs (90 degree prong) and could not be plugged into the new meter'd pdu, had to mothball
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: right, seems like they're on 'indian call center' level
asciilifeform: Bingoboingo: it's pretty strange, at least by human standards ( usually dc tried to impound gear if it thinks yer in default )
asciilifeform: goodnight mp_en_viaje
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: makes sense.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i'm pretty much sold on 'aint no ddos, but only sad czechs' item.
asciilifeform: wb mp_en_viaje
asciilifeform: aand 'Although debuting at the height of the telecom industry, Cogent soon found vast market wealth eradicated and many other ISPs thrown into a state of turmoil. In a survival of the fittest competition, Cogent became the consolidator in a consolidating market. Over three brief years, Cogent completed 13 acquisitions of other flailing providers. Whether it was an entire company or just select assets, Cogent was able to acquire valua
asciilifeform meanwhile found a : 'Cogent Communications is a public company trading on the NASDAQ under the symbol CCOI. Cogent is headquartered in Washington, D.C., United States of America.' from horse's mouth.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: do the books, but imho oughta get mp's pov before actually paying anyone.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, mod6 : thinking about it, i realized i have nfi what the priority order of creditors is. thought, 'customers go 1st' strictly from example of bitbet unwind.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and iirc you already filed the fraud complaint, neh ?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: will do. ( as for spam trap, until i actually get chance to move my www to mp's wp system, the spam trap stays, i dun have slaves to filter the 400+ spamolas was getting erry day prior to installation of traps )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: mp did warn, that the only way to get ~genuine~ (vs 'meal ticket') legal service is to retain and groom for loyalty a trusted specialist for yrs.
asciilifeform: fwiw when heathens are asked to do the things they actually advertise, sometimes very good service. e.g. asciilifeform asked coloco at 0hrs to fix this nonsense , and by 0300 hrs they ~did~ fix. genuine 24/7 repair, i was impressed.
asciilifeform admits that slightly surprised that neither mp_en_viaje nor diana_coman made the yet-darker criticism, i.e. 'what is even the use of ssh fp on box w/out trng'
asciilifeform: << always forgotten ? or only i forgot. ( looked in archive, and in fact when mp gave me boxes he always remembered to fp. it's quite necessary. )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: pretty interesting post. seems to be exactly as mp predicted.
asciilifeform: aaand that noad ( , mp's demo box ) synced. 500+ blox in <5h, notbad.
asciilifeform: reminds me, i have a still-sealed crate w/ temperature logger...
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: if after all you dun need a znc , leave the thing switched on, i'ma reformat when next test pilot volunteers, until then will run trb , i want proper test of trb perf on apu1. but if you decide you want a znc, su znc ; znc -c will run promptistic configurator. then reboot, and you'll have it.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: very good pt re fp! i'ma put it in the standard preflight checklist.
asciilifeform bbl,tea. ty mp_en_viaje for taking up test pilotage.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: item is general-purpose pilot box, plz feel free to mutilate any way you like. the trb is a copy of 'zoolag', can replace w/ own favourite build, or switch off, etc. there is a nearly full chain. znc is set to smoketest knobs, if using , must reconfig.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: .
asciilifeform: !!key mp_en_viaje
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje:
asciilifeform: oblig photo.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: prepared, however, box, if still interested. runs trb and znc ( the latter w/ default config, presently logs into fleanode as 'pilotplant' and joins #a , can fill in yerself or switch off by removing the crontab ) on boot.
asciilifeform prepared pilot box for mp! nao will smoke test & he can pick up when ready
asciilifeform: *mp_en_viaje
asciilifeform: for mp_en_viaja, i have the choice of 1) standard rk, cum znc 2) apu1 w/ 1gb samsung ssd, cum znc, and in fact prepared trb on it also.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: plox to gpg ssh key you want to use (or otherwise i'ma gen random pw and gpg to mp_en_viaje , and he can put in at leisure )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: welcome aboard then, test pilot ! i'ma bake it.
asciilifeform: i'd have already smashed my desk if i had to live with irc conn like mp_en_viaje's
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: meanwhile does mp_en_viaje believe in bouncers ? could have 1 within 3h if you want.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: let's come back to this after article, with your permission.
asciilifeform: can i persuade mp_en_viaje to take a (pro bono!) bouncer rk in asciilifeformstein ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: plox to elaborate ?
asciilifeform: why ty mp_en_viaje . ( i appreciate the tutoring even if mp_en_viaje dun want to subscribe )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: in reality i dun think ever had this experience of 'do w/out trying', i suspect mp_en_viaje is drawing from own biography. asciilifeform was not 'child prodigy' and never had this .
asciilifeform actually had > beard in 20 than nao but dun want to ruin mp_en_viaje's flamemetaphor
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: uninterested -- then uninterested. and i'd rather find out nao, than later, so ty. i dun have the capital to spend fulltime, and find it odd that mp_en_viaje only nao realized this.
asciilifeform: fwiw a mp-wp extension that lets folx 'download these-here patches' imho may be useful. but really ought not to be ~in vtron~ .
asciilifeform: << will say this : several folx expressed interest. but presently i do not know if will have ~any~ takers: for instance mp & diana_coman have very specific reqs that i dunno if can in fact fill. they might have to make own, heavy-industrial hosting system. all depends there on outcome of the costs-draft-then-flame process. i do not want to somehow bamboozle folx into buying pr
asciilifeform: << i'ma do it whether takes little work or much, my wp is obsolete . suspected that 'much' simply because i have custom renderisms in mine, for the 'peh' examples.
asciilifeform: and incidentally, if asciilifeform cannot actually supply the service mp_en_viaje needs (e.g. if he needs a 24/7 staff of 4 working in shifts ) would rather know about it sooner than later.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: re those '200 hrs' , if there are actually 200hr/mo required for any part of this, i'ma have to hire ( BingoBoingo ?? ) an assistant. i dun have 200h/mo hidden up sleeve.
asciilifeform: ( concretely : 4 'dulap'-style units , while (w/ mp_en_viaje-corrected set of constants) putting op +240 in +ev, in fact exhausts the energy allotment (not overruns, but leaves room only for rk plant.) and there already were requested, counting everyone who answered, tentatively 4 dulap's worth . (5 if counting shared-box) . )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: not done w/ the 2nd set of numerics yet, but seems i may have ~opposite~ problem atm
asciilifeform: hmm mp ddosated again ?
asciilifeform: ( iirc mp already detailed this. )
asciilifeform: ( all folx considering emplacing ~anyffin~ in asciilifeform's rack -- plox to write in. no commitment is implied, would like to simply gauge the immediate prospects. )
asciilifeform: for intervals of expansion : would also help if had any way to gauge demand. ( atm i have 1 ~maybe~ dulap-install being considered by diana_coman & mp. anyone else ? )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo and mp were right, btw, it appears that a well-populated rk fixture (and, possibly, shared-machine) are the only way to actually cross that bridge w/out further raising subscriber colo charge.
asciilifeform: ( ^ in the simplest formulation, a full occupancy that brings in net >200 $ (the added expense of upgraded tower) w/out eating into irons amort. budget. )
asciilifeform will post in #2 example scenarios for 'full occupancy' and what is required to permit expansion of plant.
asciilifeform: ( in the black revenue-wise, that is; to cover the outlay for the machines per se would take at that rate 10y, supposing an improbably static btc exch rate )
asciilifeform will begin proper rework of costs draft #2 tonight. prelim. spreadshit however suggests that w/ 45% margin, three leased 'dulaps' already would bring in enuff to upgrade the tower (+20u, 10x pipe, 2x amperage) ~and~ remain in the black...
asciilifeform: << ftr would have fixed, that wasnt the issue; simply wasn't literate enuff in phpism to do a proper cleanup. ( arguably still even nao , php to asciilifeform is ~= cobol )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: my wp is squarely a 'legacy system', analogous to e.g. 'mpb'. i dun propagandize its use, nor intend to separately genesis it, imho mp has the wp question 100% covered .
asciilifeform: it's a manually gardened wp (if not as elaborately cultured as mp's) .
asciilifeform: the human-readable urls thing in particular, in mpwp, is quite appetizing.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i expect to move entirely to mp's wp when i get to moving www finally. but atm hands quite full. ( it'll be somewhat tricky, will have to port the coad printer extension thing to it, and various other things i changed over 12yrs+ of my www)
asciilifeform: tangentially, other mp_en_viaje point -- anyone readily recall how to banish mutilation of quotes from wp? ( aka 'microshit quotes' )
asciilifeform: diana_coman & mp_en_viaje are the king/queen of the prospective customer base, by weight, and so if no one adds anyffin in next few hrs, i'ma work w/ what's been given so far for draft 2.
asciilifeform: but will have to be specific crit, like mp_en_viaje's.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it's simple logical consistency. why apply 1 standard for rack where park 0.1btc of box, and an entirely diff for wallet where park dozens of btc ?
asciilifeform: that being said, if diana_coman has specific 'what about x', plox to comment, i'ma address in 2nd draft along w/ mp_en_viaje's crit.
asciilifeform: << diana_coman what, in your pov, is missing, that mp_en_viaje did not mention ? ( and incidentally did e.g. trinque ever publish biz plan / expense sheet for walletron? )
asciilifeform: << i considered pre-ordering ( it'll be 62, 14 for 1us and 48 for rk plant, i.e. a /26 ) but that'd be 200/mo vs the current baseline 25, and hesitated to do this until rack actually populated by paying customers, it is steep cost for an empty-for-indefinite-time rack.
asciilifeform: << the idea was that time is amply compensated by the margin. (certainly w/ mp_en_viaje's 45% figure, it will be!)
asciilifeform: << imho this is a+++ idea. tho as i understand all of the prngism applies strictly to /dev/urandom and so not particularly important how it is wired, no one in his right mind will use urandom for anyffin serious
asciilifeform: other omissions in the draft include FG -- i dun presently have a 'equip erryone who asks' supply of'em here. can equip mp_en_viaje & co, but others will have to wait for wat-do re recovery of FG from piz crater
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: nitpick to commentary posted.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i sewed in your commentary re costs by hand.
asciilifeform: aite, will then post mp_en_viaje's crit manually when wake up. ( and eat into draft 2, lotsa good point )
asciilifeform: can persuade mp_en_viaje to xor ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: for my debuggification, what was the xor prompt when got 'wrong' ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: how come moldavia 35eu tho..
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it's strange, i was convinced ~errybody~ would flame re 'outlandish prices'
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: do you address'em in deutsch, so to instantly trigger lordosis ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: how's czechia ?
asciilifeform waves to mp_en_viaje
asciilifeform: each will sit on individual rail clamp.
asciilifeform has no intention of attempting gentoo port to 'raspberry' or any other 'boot blobs'-laden arm machine
asciilifeform: i expect mp will have other, harsher crit, also.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: for l2 n00bs can do shared hosting , per '1y phree' scheme suggested earlier by mp.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i did not want to start right off the bat w/ explicit pipe rationing, because it in itself imposes some loss of total capacity. but the provisions for rationing are in place.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: my other intention is to demonstrate that i can actually run a satisfactory ( to the standard of mp & co ) rack.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'ma stfu tho until mp has chance to comment, it seems likely that i made a coarse error of pilotage somewhere.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i omitted discussion of shared hosting strictly because the provisions do not yet exist. but it should be simple to compute the cost of emplacing the necessary machine, via this draft.
asciilifeform: ^ mp_en_viaje , diana_coman , & all other panzers, achtung!
asciilifeform: billymg: i've a rack, and about to post very pedantic analysis. so i dun need temp host, but ty.
asciilifeform polishing off the scientific cost analysis piece, but grr prolly wont finish until after mp_en_viaje asleep...
asciilifeform: << BingoBoingo was that an unconditional capitulation?! or attempt at himmler-style 'separate peace' ? plox to fill in.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: that thing is on insulator pedestal, under it is a 3mm steel sliding plinth. the temp in the dc is a comfortable ~20C when i last measured. (surprisingly, very quiet vs latech's, they have civilized freon cooling, entire back lot fulla chiller towers. and, interestingly, coupla thou. litres of genuine pre-ban halon 1301 for fire suppression.)
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: re agglutinatives -- turks, jp, also, but they have human-sized words..
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: right, but seems like there's an ancient never-flushed cache somewhere ?
asciilifeform: they sell clamp thing that goes around arbitrary stick.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: ever try using that riding crop as monopod ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: you're entirely right : i find myself still using the old soapbox to this day
asciilifeform often looks at mp_en_viaje's fullsize photos, read restaurant menus etc
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i usually put out 640x480, lolyes. but find it useful to have from what to cut, hence moar pixels aint necessarily imho a waste.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i got last yr the (also sony, i like'em) 'a6000', but it aint quite pocket-sized
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: what does it weigh ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: a++ camera btw. imho considerably + vs prev.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: prague ?
asciilifeform: << i cannot resist to ask : hungarian kbd lacks space bar ? or they missed out on that great 12th c. invention, the whitespace ? how did this happen, mp_en_viaje ?
asciilifeform: << BingoBoingo , iirc i already said, this is strictly l1/l2 setup. (and i'm in favour of mp's 'give noobs phree year' ftr. but they gotta get in wot.)
asciilifeform: << loox proper to asciilifeform ; but before sending, let mp weigh in
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: proprietor informed that upgrade of tower is logistically painless, simply will give key to the upper half.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: congrats on getting that rubber stamp btw.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: currently asciilifeform suspects that BingoBoingo's 'mp simulator' is better than asciilifeform's; if it were used moar, we'd have better results. mine still needs work.
asciilifeform: mod6: if you send it in nao, i'ma emplace it on same arrangement as w/ diana_coman . (if want it back later, costs -- postage strictly.)
asciilifeform: mod6: also ok ; and if you want to pause until price sheet posted an' approved by mp_en_viaje , also ok.
asciilifeform: mod6: the very idea of continuing to sell coin from piz piggy in order ton pay extortion to a scam latech, is batshit beyond contemplation. if BingoBoingo bungles lawsuit and we gotta evacuate him so he aint sold for organs -- then evacuate. but wtf already, nomoar to latech, can this q be settled definitively 1ce and for all time ?
asciilifeform: enjoy mp_en_viaje
asciilifeform: << wb ossasepia ! btw. and yw diana_coman . service is phree until 1month after : cost sheet posted (i expect mon. 21 oct) and passes rigorous mp_en_viaje crit .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: said, at least.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: re ic , it aint clear that we disagree. mp: 'req'd component dun exist' a: 'here's why dun exist' but point taken
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i like yours moar, actually, will refer to it henceforth
asciilifeform: doubly so if indeed trinque is the only genuine article besides mp, errybody else -- charlatans . wai involve charlatans ? do w/ own hands.
asciilifeform: << since apparently 'open season' -- fella had 2 posts in 2+y , 1 (imho quite interesting) about getting dr.mengele'd , the other, incomplete cuntoo draft
asciilifeform: << 100% of the req'd algos & proofs for same, published on asciilifeform's www. trinque in fact could attempt the item with own hands, if he wishes, w/out asking anyone's permission , if he thinks it can be done w/ his avail. resources.
asciilifeform: << it's presently impractical, but not for the reason stated here. in e.g. 35nm, ~could~ fit a fast 4096x4096 multer. but ~riotously~ expensive , very high risk (any given production run, even with simulations and 'measure 7777 times, cut 1nce' , can produce a dud) ; wholly unknown prospects for earning back the spent
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you could actually get 100% of the shared hosting revenues -- in exch for colo rate for the req'd machine, if you like. ( asciilifeform still baking the entire thing, as specced by mp_en_viaje , doing a 'measure 7 time, cut 1nce' but no one will be invoiced for anyffin until passes criticism. )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i took a naive stab at calculating the 'floor' for this locale. the util co charges presently 7.83 cents per kW/hr. the halftower is supplied with a 1.2kW baseline . 24*30*0.0783*1.2 ~= 70 $ of mains current ; warehouse sq. metrage goes for ~30 / m^2 here, this yields 100; and the remaining unaccounted for portion of price is then 295 , which presumably includes net pipe , upkeep of the grounds (maintenance, cooling, sla
asciilifeform: 'coloco' co. made the (so far , i've nuffin to dispute it with) claim that it's a regional nexus w/ 4 separate fiber hoses in 4 compass directions to 4 peers, 2 power grids, etc.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: presently i suspect there is a glut of supply in this geography.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: my principal ill feeling is re the price, it is suspiciously small. 'there has to be catch'.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: meanwhile 5min ago i was informed that the leased ips (initially, 6) are prepared.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i will be speaking in person to proprietor to help fill in all of the constants for numerics ( in particular, the cost of additional amperage, when required ; and the stability of the (suspiciously low) price , in particular re desirability of locking it in through advanced payment . )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it would appear that you're correct re 'hold value', at the very least : death of 'moor's law' is palpable.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i also like the thermal margin offered by ecc. but the point is made.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: this is valid but cost differential for 'dulap'-types is negligible .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: moar concerned with 'box goes down' or 'writes garbage to disk' or 'permits login from rando' than 'garbage www output'.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i only buy ecc, last thing i need in list of headaches is neutron . have enuff headaches. (ftr asciilifeform detects 2-3 ecc corrections each yr. per box.)
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: this is very smart imho. it shall be done.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje, diana_coman : i'ma have to re-do the whole numeric orchestra, and write proper summary, w/ rationally-founded constants and at length. will need , potentially, entire day. ( still guarantee cost less than piz, however, for analogous machines. )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 100 is a rounded-off output of complicated arithmetic similar to ^ including cost of cage, % of max amperage eaten by $box at peak load, cost of ip, amortization of iron. i'ma post for criticism after tea.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i'ma post the exact breakdown momentarily
asciilifeform: ( piz colo , for comparison , was 141.7 u.s.$ / mo, for empty hole, machines were moar )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i propose price : equiv of 100 orc$ per mo per such leased machine, inclusive of full service . to be paid either monthly, quarterly, or yearly, as customer so wishes.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: do you wish to purchase the irons or to lease ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: inhabitants !
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: already made arrangements to park arbitrary sums in'ere.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i determined that dc knows how to eat wires. when comes the time to expand the tower, will run BingoBoingo-style auction , to fill this.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: mp_en_viaje is my sole tutor for 'how to serious'.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: can appreciate 9000 things. which is wai show up to mp_en_viaje's whipping post.
asciilifeform: will keep spares around, likewise, ate mp_en_viaje's flame re 'what kinda tard are you, no spare irons?'
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i dun anticipate buyin' anyffin but rackables until further notice, lol
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: my current understanding is that yer done w/ '1 cage' regardless, asciilifeform's edifice is to house mirrors, spares ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: fill 1, go +ev, get 2nd, get 3rd..
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: in fact i'm continuing the dig for spare dc's. cuz this is the obvious, kindergarten problem.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: there's 2 separate qs.: a) whether it is possible to run a comfortably +ev miniature isp for use of l1/l2. b) is how to run large isp, hosting 1000 heathens, to make 100k's. presently it would be a lie if asciilifeform said that knows how to (b) , and suicidal if tried to (a) + (b) simultaneously right off .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: propaganda/l2 growth is ~the~ project. and req's asciilifeform's 'weak arm' to properly exercise. which is 1 of the reasons i took up 'bake isp again'. but presently weak arm. intent is to use strong arm to build exercise machine for weak, among other.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: is this actual q, or simply constructed to give asciilifeform a banana to slip on ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: can haz concretely ? 'i won't subscribe until this idjit shows how can actually afford to run working isp' is faircop. but am i even parsing mp_en_viaje's objection correctly ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: what, exactly, do you want ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: actually 6 users at ~40usd ea. already put asciilifeform into profit. asciilifeform was paying >100 for sadhostings, and can finally stop.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 'properly' == 'delivers what's printed on the box' and +ev so can be carried on in fact indefinitely.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform arrived already at conclusion 'must run isp for rest of life', apparently is the only way to get proper isp is to physically build.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: plox to point to missing pieces, lately have been occupied with the actual bringup of the physical plant.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i intend to run the cage indefinitely (will house own www also.) and properly.
asciilifeform: wb mp_en_viaje
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if diana_coman & mp_en_viaje would like to set up smgtron on 1 of the new boxen, plox to let asciilifeform know asap, so can purchase the desired type and qty of disks. there are 4, as before , disk rails in ea. 'dulap'.
asciilifeform: there is a stockpile of emergency spare FG here. will install on request of mp_en_viaje , there is enuff for 3 boxen w/ paired sets.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: atm plan is to properly handle all evacuations ( data, afaik, evacuated, BingoBoingo uploaded gpg'd backups, yours is afaik done but BingoBoingo forgot to send me login to fetch it before went to sleep ) ; after this, publication of cost for evacuations of irons ; after this , auctions of jettisoned irons, liquidation ; then to pay mp_en_viaje , he is owed ; then BingoBoingo returns output re cost of action vs latech ; t
asciilifeform waves to mp_en_viaje & diana_coman
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lol you fughot sumthing important in there
asciilifeform meanwhile making new attempt at the auto-installer for asciilifeform-gentoo, this time using trinque's method .
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: for thread-completeness -- by my current reckoning, i can get away with charging <1/2 of what piz cost for colo ; so errybody who lived in piz, oughta be able , for same price, to keep ~2~ (or moar) boxen, e.g. 1 here and 1 in diana_coman's , or even 1 in ea. + barebone in heathendom.
asciilifeform: qntra is a mp-powered system, btw, so he may want to weigh in 1st re where plugged in.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: per my notes, smg was gearing to purchase its inhabited irons (pending delivery of replacements) , this fell down when the rack fell down. i expect if it comes out as +ev , and estimate of time for transportation aint outrageous, mp may want to proceed with said purchase and grab the irons. worth to ask.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: usa has no 'import vat', 1 of the few pluses of sitting there, afaik.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: see what you can source locally ; compare .
asciilifeform: diana_coman: this naturally depends on whether you're already doomed to import. but worth making the calculation.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: filling a rack, asciilifeform-style, is entirely doable w/out megabux , it costs roughly like those old mercs mp buys. ( at least until one tried to buy ip... )
asciilifeform: mp's 'make it an engineered, not shamanic, product' crit is valid.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: can you make this happen by saturday ? would like to get diana_coman's rk standing up immediately when router, hoses, etc. emplaced.
asciilifeform: << exactly. gotta make the attempt, BingoBoingo, mod6 .
asciilifeform: currently seems like the method mp mentioned is the only way to weasel out of the massive 'yearly maintenance' extortions, there.
asciilifeform: it can't all be reserved just for mp's dish modem, can it..
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'd imagine so; but given mp's reminder that 'yer in a ~lawless orcistan' ' what asciilifeform imagines ' aint worth the electrons, i suspect
asciilifeform: i'd comment, but this is squarely a q for actual abogado, and/or mp , quite above asciilifeform's grade .
asciilifeform: 'Officially, companies are not allowed to sell their IP addresses but in practice that rule is widely flouted by peddling them through brokers and then putting a transfer through ARIN's systems. ARIN is, of course, aware of the black market in addresses, but decided, after long debate, not to change the fundamental way it distributes and shifts them. It does, however, scrutinize transfers, and in this case an error in one of Golestan
asciilifeform: 'Despite their current market value of between $13 and $19 per IP addresses, ARIN continues to provide IP addresses to its "members" for no direct cost, a holdover from the early days of the internet when IP allocation was literally a free-for-all. Depending on the size of a company, you pay ARIN an annual membership fee that starts at just $250. Members then pay between $100 and $500 for an address block with an annual maintenance f
asciilifeform: (speaking as almost complete ignoramus re subj) : mp_en_viaje do you know how 'well-behaved' is arin ? i.e. do they routinely confiscate ip blox from 'undesirables' the way the dns people do ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: seems to be how 'coloco' acquired their.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: apparently arin put in 'maintenance fees' and various fascism for new buyers.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: entirely so. and i'ma chronicle the thing properly, get the photo-shy people into the photos if at all possible.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: is jurov alive ? iirc he's in prague
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: yer right tho. i can always 'un-advertise''em laters, if the thing's a dud.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: fair cop btw. i amended the article.
asciilifeform: wb mp_en_viaje
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i fully intend to attempt to turn the 2 into 'people' (vs 'horse') but would like to avoid having'em stampede away immediately like your various vendors galloped. ( will just as readily 'ride as horse' if must, the bloody rack is so cheap as 'almost free', i've been paying almost half of that sum for the retarded hoster where my www is currently )
asciilifeform amended orig '1st hour' chronicle piece w/ name of vendor, per mp and diana_coman's criticism.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: not to mention, yest. diana_coman did not say 'idjit, why not named vendor immediately' ? why waited for mp to barf ?
asciilifeform: << in that shop, they dun ~sell~ blocks, but lease by the single ip. what was offered , is to connect with broker who sells. i inquired, min. purchase is /24 from their broker, at 6k usd. imho oughta comparison-shop before shelling out, price seemed astronomical ( am i rube ? always 6k ? )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: for thread-completeness, they 'if you want'em RIGHT NAO' 'we can hook you up with broker' 'howmuch' '6k for /24'
asciilifeform: ( i dun expect mp is having to pay, having bought in 'golden age' )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: last detail, ips are 2.34 $ ea. ( unless e.g. mp lends piece of ip . mp do you want ? what wouldja like in exchange ? ) and 2 come 'phree' w/ the basic halftower.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i expect that will fill pipe and mains (10 ampere) before i physically fill halftower.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if the shithole is so impoverished that ~nuffin can be had, an oxypropane torch will work just as well.
asciilifeform: ( simply was hoping to use same recipe for 'infecting' usb stix as for normal installs, is all )
asciilifeform goes to read mp re how germany sux.
asciilifeform: ^ article will disappoint folx who wanted to see the coffee, board rooms, other 'imponade', these can show later if anyone gives a shit. so far just the goods.
asciilifeform waves to mp_en_viaje
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i hesitate to say 'a+++ machinepark' until i've, lol, actually plugged sumthing in. but by all indications promising, in-biz since '94 and claims 0 outage complaints to date. sits on regional backbone.
asciilifeform: aite. it's b/w mod6 , ben, mp, & odin.
asciilifeform: mod6: imho mp is right re tbf btw. it's a stone chained to leg of mod6 and dragging it isn't producing detectably useful output presently imho .
asciilifeform: nao ideally i am mistaken about this, and can simply be posted.
asciilifeform: mod6: i mention because it appears that BingoBoingo cannot simply put'em in 1-2 crates and mail, may trigger 'export' wank.
asciilifeform: ftr asciilifeform opposes the sale of remaining FG stockpile to orcs at flea market. but mod6 is majority holder, and so will mention even this, for thread-completeness strictly.
asciilifeform: mp actually left the q 'in what pay' open until liquidation set up. but imho oughta ask him again , if we're actually considering a transport run .
asciilifeform: for thread-completeness, there is also a possible variant where 4 boxen need pick up, but want to go to somewhere other than asciilifeform's. this is to be left to the owners, if indeed 4 boxen, and their owners want to move'em.
asciilifeform: per my reading of last wk's log, to mod6 is also left the fate of the piz FG's (mp asked to be repayed in coin, rather than iron, as i parsed it)
asciilifeform: mod6: on top of this, imho the '20 boxen w/ no hot spares'-in-one-cage thing oughta be avoided . it tempts fate.
asciilifeform: mp actually suggested this last week, as a possible backup for ordinary post if the degree of retardation involved in the latter is beyond what can be digested
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if the orcs double-taxation thing appears to make transportation impractical, we may want to consider a pickup flight by asciilifeform . can remove 4u of boxen for ~2k (us) total . for certain machines even this may be +ev.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i expect you still have the ~import~ receipts from the boxen that ben botched. that oughta do ~sumthing~ ? try an' find out.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: my current thinking is, to usa, to move the beefier (24, 32 cpu) boxen -- +ev ; but to europistan , where i expect would cost 1.5x-2x, + oddball europistani taxes, may not be, if anyone contemplating the latter, oughta do separate estimate
asciilifeform: simply to put reasonably accurate picture in log
asciilifeform: mod6: think about whether it may be good idea to try an' structure asciilifeform's , diana_coman's , other folx, rack efforts, as a continuation of piz. ( rly oughta ask mp whether this makes sense , tho ) . otherwise can operate as 'errymanforhimself'.
asciilifeform: ( what practical impact from this ? for instance, finally canhaz entrance router that actually logs events. instead of running from readonly squashfs as is usual. )
asciilifeform: ty diana_coman for ftp! 'warm lamp sound!' it worx.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not even directly comparable, imho, centos packages are binariolade balls
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: already purchased another 'octeon' to set up the entrance router + switch for wherever new asciilifeform cage built. and will start by emplacing apu1's & rk's , then anyone who has the courage to put box in heart of reich.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'coloco' fella asked if i had any personally-owned ip chunks. ( asciilifeform does not . ) but iirc mp did. if this machinepark turns out to be worthwhile, and mp ends up sending in a box(s) , he could actually use own ips there.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: afaik it'd do no harm to enable both sets of flags ; simply makes for a slightly moar 'obese' kernel.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: lemme know btw if you want this thrd moved back to #o , rather than to put kilometres of gentoo cruft here.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: > 3 oem pieces of 'samsung 860' if can believe. still 'cartel' rationed, apparently.
asciilifeform: fuckin sovok rations. apparently ~impossible to get >3 to 1 addr in 1 shot, today just like 5y ago.
asciilifeform: iirc mp_en_viaje at one time advertised his www on lamp posts in buenosaires. maybe, worked ? (for some value of 'worked'..)
asciilifeform: for what do south-chukchas use fg ? ( maybe, ar is simply where them redditi keep 'vpn proxies' naodays )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: in last weeks of dulap log , there were moar 'humanlike' activity on its www from argentines than ~anywhere else ; incl. folx grabbing FG test dumps etc. i had and still have nfi who , why.
asciilifeform: to complete the chronology : the 1st outage long enuff to nuke asciilifeform's monitor shell (i.e. >5m) was on oct 4 .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 1st swallow of spring , there .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 'bumps' in the pipe began full week prior. initially latech 'explained away' as 'problem w/ upstream router', recall.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: went down for-good on 6 oct. 0130 hrs (nyc time) .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: likely.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: even 'ha, you pay' comes in 2 variants, 'you get bill for $bil' and 'your acct empties in 5sec' , would at least like to know which before signing.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: aa, but they have claptrap re 'ddos proof'
asciilifeform rages re the bmoar people, wtf, asked'em simple q : 'how does ddos play into yer per-packet billing scheme' prior to subscribing simple box w/ own www ; nao 3d waiting for answer...
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 'stay seekrit 4evah' coades prolly oughta run from ramdisk, imho.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i know some ~ex~ physicists. but they're all 80yo d00dz whose 'work' mainly is to water their gardens nao.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: at this rate, the sad dc asciilifeform decided to move his www to (bmor) might be the 1st to stand up. and it's ungodly slow.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: right, and worse still, not even 'reduce magnetism', but even simpler problems remain open, e.g. 'why does supercon.' simply there aint any newton-grade folx involved in the field anymoar, all that's left is the 'throw particles against wall and type output into 'ms-excel' folx.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: that'd be 1 tard-extreme ( illustrated by hobbes. )
asciilifeform: d00d's air pump was worse 'craftsman voodoo' than just about anyffing today.
asciilifeform: i had nfi that hobbes had anyffin useful to say. but apparently did, and was actually right, that pump ended up trigger for 'need mega-funding' failure cascade leading to, arguably, today's 'eotvos' et al.
asciilifeform recently, when 'took r&r break' briefly, unearthed that apparently r. boyle was accused by t. hobbes of, essentially, of 'cyclotron', for introducing the (expensive, at the time) air pump as a centerpiece of royal society demos. pretty interesting vintage wank.
asciilifeform realizes that this is rather 'petrological' vision of knowledge. 'dinosaurs died an' liquified, nao we pump'em.' but what can do, when little in the way of new ones walking around.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i tend to spend 20-30m reading old mp_en_viaje pieces when waking up
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: is why it took asciilifeform several months to derive the original set of ban flags.
asciilifeform: (and that's simply cpu time)
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: entirely correct. for instance, after adding a ban flag, to bring the system into conformance with it takes a 'rebuild world', i.e. 2-3 day process.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: iirc trinque had an experimental cuntoo variant that was built with '-ssh' ban flag. will see what he says when wakes up re this subj
asciilifeform: but to revisit upstack -- i pulled this item off shelf to help diana_coman , who has legacy softs that are known not to work in cuntoo. and for own needs, because my attempts to bake a working cuntoo have failed ( and take ~day or so to even fire off, so difficult so far to debug . )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: observe, i cooked this image 2y ago, and all of the mirrors which then were alive, today dead.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the mirrors are used to pull down tarballs for which in the image 'portage' already contains frozen hashes. but really these oughta be abolished, and all tarballs to be present on install stick.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: hash of entire image, goes in the recipe (as in r4) but really any included items also oughta indiv.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: chroots are tricky , but there is a very limited use of'em in the r4 recipe (where could not avoid.)
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i'ma mechanize as much of the process as is practical, but wanted to get the hand-cranked ver. out for review/test asap. hence the 'nao add 3 spoons of sugar' etc. headaches.
asciilifeform: this is good point mp_en_viaje , i'd like to know if something omitted before others (e.g. BingoBoingo) attempt to fire the thing.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: lol 'leak ip', how about 'civilize barbaric voodoo into published tool'
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: with 5-6 flags in the kern conf, item could stand on even intel boxen. ( asciilifeform simply boycotts intelism ) . the other item to add is that i'm making a single-usbstick installer, also supporting serial console, for to simplify installation on leased machines ( typically telekvm permits use of ~one~ 'virtual' disk. )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: yw !
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: aside from 'help diana_coman get smg despite isp lost at sea' in general , not being a latech, asciilifeform wants to make proper 'walls', rather than ' asciilifeform holds up the wall ' walls. in the spirit of 'publish fg schems' etc.
asciilifeform: well mp_en_viaje works on bringin' back kings, i'ma meanwhile this. brb, sawing apart testbed.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: in evil-saboteur-craftsman guild, we have this custom. not done yet tho, apparently even this recipe contains mistake. currently vivisecting.
asciilifeform: btw i agree w/ mp_en_viaje's larger pt, if folx dun get up off arse and ~use~ asciilifeform's published instructions to actually replicate his 'magical' irons -- then yes will die of bolix plague !
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: loox like hooligan might be sending forced tcp close in 'your' ip .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: you've the compl. pcb masks etc. , anyone with basic 10 grade education can make FG .
asciilifeform: if mp_en_viaje , diana_coman , et al, ran the risk/roi calculation and it only came out in favour of FG vs. intel rng because thought that piz could never die or that iron can be teleported , but w/ dead piz and realization that cannot be teleported -- goes other way, then so wills allah -- but asciilifeform objects to the accusation of 'scam'. erryone knew for what signed up.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i was commenting primarily re the 'opteron', to point that you do not in fact ~must~ ('scammed by evil craftsman') use the particular machine ! can use 9000 diff machines. simply bother to inspect for physical space 1st.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: again, if 'customization is dangerous b/c may end up having to physically ship irons rather than lease 'amazon'' then yes. but you knew this going into FG. but the implication that 'he scammed me into building FG' is disingenuous, FG built before piz, w/ mp_en_viaje's expert judgement & consent, and at no pt was there problem in supplying mp_en_viaje or 50+ other folx w/ it on sched.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the 'specified' describes strictly asciilifeform's judged machine. it is not anywhere proclaimed that 'must ONLY' on such machine. i've FG plugged into a toshiba 586 here.
asciilifeform: what type of machine mp_en_viaje et al use, is b/w him and odin. and i object to the implication that 'scammed' him into using particular type that is 'magically sauced'. at any pt mp_en_viaje was free to reject asciilifeform's rec and demand a different type.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if intel then recompile . if amd, will run as given.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: nope. all you need is a box with empty space, for instance ~any 2u.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: (very good flame, btw, the arms pic, i've no counter) but you haven't actually been 'fucked over by craftsmen' yet re FG, not only asciilifeform can make for you as many FG as you want, but so can successors, item is 100% documented.
asciilifeform: diana_coman et al : all further q's for asciilifeform , in castles plox. here i'ma answer if invoked by mp and not otherwise.
asciilifeform: !Qlater tell mp_en_viaje if you think asciilifeform is liar, then per the mp's operating instruction you have wrong sign bit on asciilifeform's rating. i'ma take that -9 nao.
asciilifeform: i'm not even making a joke against mp , perhaps he's right that somewhere there lives the hero with 8 hands who can do all of this on spec.
asciilifeform: which i suspect is at least part of the reason mp didnt want it.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: mp asked for x. upfront i told that can only produce y. he said 'no ty' and i respect.
asciilifeform: btw just as mp_en_viaje said 'orc dc is at least just as terrible, turns out, as usa dc' i'm quite convinced that 'lease rando box from turks' aint any 'cleaner' than 'ask asciilifeform for lulazon aws in 15min'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: observe that in 2y of piz, not 1 'ew, he buys old irons' component failed.
asciilifeform: so they simply recocked the 'if ddos, unplug'em' pistol, eh.
asciilifeform: just cuz mp dun want to inhabit it dun mean it could not be inhabited. he did not say 'i'ma excommunicate anyone who lives there' just yet.
asciilifeform: lobbes: mp dun want that one, tho, cuz ' you can't do x, can't do y, you're anti-useful ' etc, who am i to argue
asciilifeform: goodnight mp_en_viaje
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i cleaned the intel box in case end up asking for it if not turks.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: but ya didnt ask him to bake a phuctor.
asciilifeform: ~all programming's needlwurk, mp_en_viaje
asciilifeform: << ftr i actually agree with mp_en_viaje , it's, wat, a 100ln proggy?!
asciilifeform: i suspect they're ~empty like Bingo's people
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: contains, fwiw, a 'xeon' (intelism) 2x cpu. 2 5in. bays, some form of raid (will have to boot up if interested.)
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i missed a crate when inventoried x86 boxen.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: at any rate quote is valid for 2wks, if mp_en_viaje parachutes in 'someone who aint a tard' asciilifeform will get cage etc. when given marching order.
asciilifeform: ( simply 1.2amp fuse per 2u holes )
asciilifeform: you can run it all day at Gb if you like, simply will pop when the bill comes.
asciilifeform: simply charges for mass.
asciilifeform: this naturally does ~not~ give same 'bang for buck' as 'whole cage, motherfucker!' and mp_en_viaje -- barfs predictably. tho i was under impression that diana_coman also shopping for less than whole cage.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje sometimes seems to think that asciilifeform is a 1/32th scale model of himself. but no, asciilifeform is a pauper, and not even grade-a pauper .
asciilifeform: and incidentally when they empty that 42u, i'ma have even less recourse than BingoBoingo against latech. i can't afford even hour of usa attourney i suspect . (not that it'd do much good)
asciilifeform: bvt: it's overkill 'for self', i aint mp, not loaded.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the thought of filling a 42u in usa still makes me queasy. 1 day i'ma show up there and it'll be empty, 'oops'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if e.g. trinque wants in, perhaps mp_en_viaje will consider.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje said 'no pasaran'
asciilifeform: diana_coman: my approach was to find a ~reasonable~ dc to which can get with own hands. and to fall on the grenade of paying it from pocket. but i can see wai mp_en_viaje barfed.
asciilifeform: see mp_en_viaje's point about the whore angela.
asciilifeform swears on mpkoranbbq that he doesn't
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if mp_en_viaje were interested, would. but he thinks asciilifeform is lunatic. so what'd be the use.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i think mp_en_viaje will sooner eat glass than go argentine
asciilifeform: diana_coman: apparently even bmore loox good compared to some of'em
asciilifeform: a+++ mp_en_viaje karateka today btw.
asciilifeform: nighty mp_en_viaje
asciilifeform: luckily mp_en_viaje has battalion of people-who-make-sense next to reasonably-priced-dc then..
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje et al : for anyone who cares .
asciilifeform: if mp_en_viaje says -- then perhaps is, who am i to say.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform might be intransigent, but aint a liar. i dun got 100k of any.
asciilifeform: i think i figured it out, mp_en_viaje still thinks asciilifeform is seekritly loaded and simply intransigent
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: why it is even interesting to ask about what unrackables asciilifeform owns ? my toyota also aint rackable.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: whole bolix cost me 5. cpu was briefly sold for 450/ea, nao absent entirely from market.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: you already said 5x 'useless', can say 6 if you like, but i get
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i'd say nomoar than 5k will be paid for it at the auction when im hanged.
asciilifeform: what's useless , and what aint, depends from who pov. for building a piz-style dc -- 100% useless. and btw asciilifeform already, i thought, killed 1 dc, why would mp_en_viaje even consider to put'im in another.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: handful of said cpu + 1 working machine is all i got re these.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i aint got a comp warehouse ! and moreover have nfi why mp_en_viaje thought -- did.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 16 ( 17, incl desk test bed ) rk. + a room fulla laboratory gear, such as is kept by fella who never even in nightmare pictured to run a dc.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i dun own 100k of anyffin, dun think.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 5 of bolix (not partic. relevant, does someone want ~that~ racked?!)
asciilifeform: mno, was discussed in painfully pedantic detail, compl. w/ links to the people from whom bought.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: bought the piz inhabitants, neh.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: worse, all of this aint even the hard part, in usa can get any kinda rackables for ~lunchmoney
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i have a www. since '07. was even under impression that mp_en_viaje occasionally read it.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i dun have a surgical theatre either. nor milking machines. i was never attempting to fill a dc, until piz.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: you think i'd sit on a rack's worth of comp and not say ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: depends, do items like this -- 'electrician' or komoyooting ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 'unsexies' e.g. oscilloscopes, do 0 for racks
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it'd depend what's rackworthy ! but in asciilifeform's eyes, not errything with a cpu in it is 'rackworthy'
asciilifeform: what , did mp_en_viaje think asciilifeform was sitting on top of a dc ?!
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: in your conception of 'electronics' -- apparently not
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: lol unless you want some 486 racked..
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the only rackable i have in stock here is the rktron.
asciilifeform: physical cabinet + mains current, 1.2amp / 220v per 2u ration.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: other thing, whole cage may be 750, but bw for a rack's wortha boxen would be coupla k/m
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i dun know how to turn btc into us-cc.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: you forgot 'stop being poor, fucktard'
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: idea was, uy1, or dulap, etc.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: expected ~400-500 for coupla holes, apparently can haz.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: can reliably put 4-5hundy w/out problems, from asciilifeform's daily racket. and thought we were orig. discussing 'could house 1u?' . but if not mp_en_viaje-grade, then waht can do.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: if we make 'discover working btc-to-usd in middle of fucking reich' part of this problem, will take long time.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: bmore warehouse dun eat cash.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: pauper.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 1 prob. atm is that asciilifeform can't yet feed a 750/m rack .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: ftr i also dunwant to end up in 'marriage' to this warehouse.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: seems that if worth, worth to test w/ 1 or 2 pieces.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: atm seems that 'fill whole rack' is recipe for 'new piz'
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: can you reformulate ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: sold by 2u increment, hundy per.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: dunno, i'm simply still not recovered from allergic choke from last go.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: appears to be.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it's 'bout 3x less than i expected it'd cost
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje, BingoBoingo , et al : bmore orcs actually pretty cheap , comparatively . promised written quote later today.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i can get ~horrible~ but working hosting in ~hour if you want .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: as side note, 'horse' prolly belongs in that glossary of yours.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: are the people where you put your www at all usable ? or only worx when mp_en_viaje's in saddle ? (or not on table cuz 'eggs/basket' ? )
asciilifeform elbowed a key and mp_en_viaje's caesar ended up where the front sector camera running image normally is on asciilifeform's left-lower lcd. asciilifeform sees, and goes 'wtf' before realizes
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: do you find it entirely unacceptable to use someone like the moldavian d00d , if someone volunteers to 'cutout' (i.e. pay him and pasture him, on command) ?
asciilifeform also in favour of mp_en_viaje's 'rebuild uy1' idea , it is smart.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: didja know there are 0 in washingtonistan ?!
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it doesn't even need to be unusually heavy machine
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje already knows that we have backups.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: there is ! i.e. get heathen machine, and unroll the backup to it.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: for some reason i thought you had'em write into a queue always
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i was wundering where newton's royalsociety thing went..
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: you have entirely fair point, 'gun that no one aims an' pulls trigger on dun fight'
asciilifeform: [insert here oblig thrd where mp: 'you think i actually NEED the net? well, i can just as readily rule via camel couriers!11' ]
asciilifeform: i suspect that mp_en_viaje will yet have occasion to say 'thank you' to asciilifeform for having 'wasted time' discovering how to undetectably and reliably shortwave.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: imho mp_en_viaje was in fact right in 2015, when wrote that working internet can only be built w/ constellation of machinery on old one, where if can connect to 1 noad, you get republican net, and the bits ~will~ go where they're addressed for so long as there's physically via what.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: atm haven't even made for you the 1st breakfast tho.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 'spring' does need the keccak tho. then can actually rsapad.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: no amt of spring does anyffin w/out ratchet. or ratchet, w/out spring.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: orig. asciilifeform's counter to 'internet is disappearing' was 'let's make mp_en_viaje's gossipd'. but then, like idjit, went to try an' make isp purse from sow ear.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: ftr i wasn't under the impression that you were.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: yer right tho
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: didn't propose 'spin globe randomly' but approx what mp_en_viaje in fact gave .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: possibly asciilifeform has simplistic model of BingoBoingo -- i.e. ' BingoBoingo -- parachutist. what's a 2nd, 3rd, ..., jump, to parachutist !'
asciilifeform: afaik the only ixp in uy is antel. but mp_en_viaje has it
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: imho mp_en_viaje has strong point.
asciilifeform: fwiw i'm satisfied that there's moar buried nazi gold to be found in uy than dc-run-by-guy but if mp_en_viaje not convinced , i haven't a counter
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: gotta ask, why couldn't he, e.g. fix motorcycles ? also work for good hands, and unlike salaried tech ( asciilifeform did a 2y+ tour of duty as just-this when was starving ) open-ended vol. of biz
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: indeed they do
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: re other-people's gear -- aint exactly, as you suggested, 'interchangeable sex tape that can be made with any tard', see e.g. 1, 2 .
asciilifeform: as mp_en_viaje pointed out.
asciilifeform: imho the most valuable surviving component of piz is BingoBoingo , and would suck x9000 to lose him to the black hole.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: errybody joins the foliage at some pt.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i suspect that you'll turn out to be right, which is why BingoBoingo you gotta pack yer suitcases
asciilifeform cannot categorically say 'impossible to make moneys smuggling comps into fuckholistan' but prolly possible for suitcase man who knows how to get >100kg in for 2k $ trip, rather than <100
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: died when discovered that to get even m3 screws into fuckingmonkeystan takes a courier with suitcases
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i've been getting rid of the obv. dross , 1st..
asciilifeform: ( even tho mp_en_viaje already wrote'em off . might need'em ! )
asciilifeform took this to near-pathological extent, still in fact has all of the parts for attempt at pick-n-place machine etc
asciilifeform: unless to count a 2013 prototype rng, the size of postage stamp.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: iirc you have 20 'pogo' . ( not aware of other 'detritus' )
asciilifeform: indeed mp_en_viaje has crate ( arm boxen )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje already well made the point that he didnt sign up to warehouse anyffin.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: any gear we buy back as snsa by all rights gotta return to asciilifeform's torture chamber rack, at least until there's where else. that way no 'wont have or who thefuck knows' neh.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i've no opposition to sale of gear to locals, to martians, to trump, wherever. 1st would have to find out who wants to keep his gear tho, and who -- instead jettison, and ask for coin (and if so at what weight of coin to gear.)
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: if you told me he's the man who got o. j. simpson to walk from electric chair, i'd also believe. but gpg -- he had 0 idea about.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i believe !
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: to be paid as coin, or as mp_en_viaje chooses, e.g. coin and FGs, etc.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: we'll review the logs; half a coin -- then half a coin.
asciilifeform: per the teachings of mp_en_viaje's , as i understand it makes diff, 'aint a man unless harem' neh
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: what he oughta have said ? what was there to say ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: why do you think asciilifeform comes to mp_en_viaje to be beaten with ramrods ?
asciilifeform: incl. ones mp_en_viaje dun even use.
asciilifeform: on acct of mp_en_viaje asciilifeform learned coupla new langs.
asciilifeform: i aint got complaint.
asciilifeform: well for instance i reloaded recently into head, latin, so could read mp_en_viaje's .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: ftr i dun think yer wrong, that we're all charlatans. if i knew where the 'competent people who solve problems' live, would show to mp_en_viaje , and go off to the bar where phf is working on his cirrhosis .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: not necessarily a win. perhaps we oughta have sank long ago.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: where's the gallows where you hanged all the fellas who didn't write logger in august ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: maybe at some pt he'll turn up that shangri-la that's populated by Actual People, i.e. mp-grade, and we can all go 'slice lengthwise' .
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: pretty interesting thread tho, aint it ? we make 2y of isp from a crumpled wad mp threw in the trash, and we're all 'autistic castrato bois'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i dun expect that you'll listen, but imho you oughta pick a coordinate from mp's globe and take that evacuation, as soon as the reactor's properly quenched.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: mp for instance seems to think that asciilifeform -- already a shell. and i'm not even 100% certain that he's wrong.
asciilifeform: << check it out, asciilifeform is 'pompous do-nothing', and not the fella on a 9mo vacation who never so much as tied shoes with own hands
asciilifeform: << so , sack erryone, bring in these mythical 'other people' , why wait ? why mp surrounds himself with 'retarded bois' ?
asciilifeform: << i dun get it, do you want the item properly completed or not ?
asciilifeform: << is tbf 'person' ? or also tin soldier, i.e. fights while mp moves it on game board, dies when he knocks it over ?
asciilifeform: << pay for what ? for empty rack until may ?!
asciilifeform: << the 'master attourney' who mp billed as 'will use gpg' but never heard of any such thing ? him ? yes i'ma pay what mp billed for this 'service' .
asciilifeform: << extrapolation from mp's description of argentine attourneys, in fact. could be entirely off .
asciilifeform: << mp achieves what aristotel could not : overpowering fundamental contempt for not only physical labour, but intellectual ( of anyone other than mp's , naturally. newton -- autistic fucktard!1 thinking -- aint thinking, but 'autistic spin' unless done by mp over weapons-grade coffee in vienna on table made of three gurlz , etc )
asciilifeform: << does mp believe in market economics ? how is in it possible that 'can be done by 1' at same time 'worth 10/hr like broom sweep' ?
asciilifeform: << seems like mp intends on answering this q solely from own head. ( and relatedly asciilifeform would like to establish whether asciilifeform is , in eyes of mp, a human, or a tin soldier . )
asciilifeform: << is person? or is mp_en_viaje, a pile of homeless irons, and a gagged asciilifeform tied to firing squad post ?
asciilifeform eats log, w/ high-quality mp flames etc, may take while
asciilifeform: but imho if actually maintaining the proggy dun come 1st, then what may end with is item resembling the pseudofoundation, which has lengthy tentacles but 0 grasp of the orig. item (not even enuff grasp to do seriously complex evil, for the most part.)
asciilifeform: mod6: imho this , important -- what good is 'ref impl.' if no one understands it, or why even exists. i dun actually disagree w/ mp re 'needs public tentacles'.
asciilifeform: but again this is only interesting if one's building a '100% trb-compat' in e.g. ada.
asciilifeform: is only relevant to people who want to build trb-compat. mechanism from ground.
asciilifeform: mod6: importantly, tho, most of this horror aint relevant to 'trbi'
asciilifeform: to take 1 example, is there a max reorg depth that still worx as expected ?
asciilifeform: mod6: i dare to say that no one 100% comprehends (not the protocol per se, i comprehend) but the entire behaviour space of the proggy per se.
asciilifeform: the heathens sorta tried to do this, but in the usual heathen way simply shat in their pants.
asciilifeform: nao asciilifeform is no one in tbf. but will be sad if it comes to be the case that there is no tbf to fund emplacements of noades, curation of the ref. trb (incl. mod6's very fine build system) .
asciilifeform: incidentally i dun agree w/ mp's verdict that tbf is somehow broken (aside from 1 of the 2 chairs having gone awol.) charter reads, clearly, 'This charter establishes the existence of a virtual organization whose mission is to maintain the Bitcoin reference implementation.' this was carried out .
asciilifeform: mod6: mp has been providing a++ guru meditation. i expect will say moar.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: dun panic. asciilifeform simply would like to apply the necessary heat so as e.g. the sec deposit dun evaporate .
asciilifeform: !Qlater tell mod6 you presently majority shareholder. asciilifeform -- minority. ( mp is owed and also rightfully has a say. ) let's discuss asap the lawsuit.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: also you'll want to at least attempt to get that security deposit back.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i fully expect that when you show up to tear up the contract, they'll try to cook up some bullshit re the cage being in arrears . hence wai important to empty it.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the sooner you officially stop the service, the moar likely can recover sumthing from the orcs. tho , as mp pointed out, it is difficult to picture that we'll see a penny
asciilifeform sat down to read some ossasepia while waiting for a compile, and then 'damn, it was on piz!', and qntra, it's like having 4+ phantom limbs...
asciilifeform: which is why when i encounter a fella like shinohai, who has 100% of his time, it boggles my mind that he hasn't built a thermonuclear dirigible simply as a side effect of basic fucking metabolism
asciilifeform will be the last 1 who is to be asked re training critter, must leave the subj to folx w/ actual high pilotage under their belt, mp & co
asciilifeform: lobbes: i suspect that you will find certain things very simple, that asciilifeform has not strength to even attempt of yet.
asciilifeform: lobbes: if asciilifeform appears to do sumthing quickly, it is only because was simple job. ( or terrible kludge piece. )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lol naturally, can't have broken lamps!111 or smudged floor! who needs a working cable!1111
asciilifeform: << lobbes , i am prolly the slowest pair of hands here, mp never once misses a chance to remind of this...
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it's still neato. wonder if they'd cut out impi, emplace raid, FG .
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it isn't as if you rebuild os from empty disk erryday.
asciilifeform: hell i'm even considering the swamp an' digging for offerings there.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i currently do not know why mp fatwa'd ro, but must assume it was not because flag is wrong three colours
asciilifeform: nuffin catastrophic in that patch, simply cures the single-quotes thing.
asciilifeform: goodnight mp_en_viaje
asciilifeform: wb mp_en_viaje
asciilifeform: important to get the disks tho, the rk people may want'em.
asciilifeform: ftr i did ~not~ like that kvm tho, needed toilet computer to operate (java shitware client) but exhaustive market survey yielded ~only~ that
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: fwiw the 1 i purchased for piz, didn't even occupy a rack slot, it was ultracompact matchbox-cum-wires thing
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: one simple pill is to colo a kvm. but obv. 1) costs 2) someone has to agree to operate.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: advantage of local orcs, supposing can agree on price, is that if their park suxx, can walk over and remove in half hr
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i'ma then investigate .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: point! difficult to picture how could worse than uy orcs
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: from what was given, impossible even to say ~how many~ layers !
asciilifeform: << ftr i found it impossible to determine ~anyffin from the given photos.
asciilifeform: aite. would be a shame to lose opterons on acct of skimping 5 $ of cab tho.
asciilifeform: nao, to continue the funeral, at some pt shareholders will have to decide what-do re the remaining pieces, incl. coin. specifically, how much to burn on attempting orc lawsuit etc.
asciilifeform: the spread of the impi retardation among heathens is potential problem: would have to either swallow it (i disabled in all of these) or find someone who , like the moldavian, is willing to serialport ( dun solve the problem of os installation tho, to such a place would have to ship'em with disks containing something resembling os )
asciilifeform: i would not propose to attempt 'isp' in the heart of mordor, but possibly could house a box or two that way.
asciilifeform again experimenting w/ 'what if within physical range of asciilifeform ?' but does not expect fat return. granted these wouldn't in a million years eat btc, but w/ mp's agreement, asciilifeform could feed it orcbux and eat btc . in principle.
asciilifeform: if asciilifeform had sat in e.g. argentina long enuff to need, say, a tooth fixed, prolly would have immediately seen same light that mp_en_viaje saw
asciilifeform: simply coming out of the gulag is unspeakable 'trip', aha
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i buy this 100%
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: naturally i believe mp_en_viaje, who did 2+yr tour. speaking of only what saw with own eyes.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje's reqs might differ from BingoBoingo's , but i've nfi
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: formally yes. i'm counting all the places where father parachuted tho.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i liked ro moar than uy but possibly am alone in this.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: you had a piece with gypsy sewer bunker and old sovok phone.
asciilifeform: << BingoBoingo correct if wrong , but asciilifeform's impression is that BingoBoingo wants to stay not 'for chix' but simply not wants to go back to gulag. which imho is entirely reasonable .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: not disputing the general principle. but finding it difficult to see how would have made a diff re the latech thing.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: since last rk sold. which is iirc august.
asciilifeform: << what would a full crate delivered to a dead cage have done ? ( other than to make asciilifeform completely, rather than near-completely, broke ) ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform described before, that does not know a profession that would allow him not only to eat, but sufficient dough+time to do anyffing meaningful, in arbitrary island.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i dunget ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: you've the complete plans, so can remake. but is fiddly process, likely to take a while.
asciilifeform: << in the olden days, priests designated. today/usa moar complicated, but very similar process.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: FG crate + 2 machines (the very smg machines in fact) were the payment.
asciilifeform: << if they're un-fritzchipped (i.e. pre-2014) opterons, and sans-ipmi, i'ma be impressed. but even any kinda opteron offer -- rare nowadays .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the 'corporate' product was 100% mitistic aha. i tuned in when was 1 d00d. chronicle piece re subj for anyone who cares.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: indeed a thing, and is why republican-biz is different from arbitrarily 'clever' and 'flexible' etc heathen
asciilifeform no longer has anything resembling a realistic picture of escape. perhaps could sign on as swabbie on mp's submarine when he buys 1...
asciilifeform: imho castle mpstein would be a proper home for the remaining FG's, asciilifeform does not know how long has 'until sepsis' .
asciilifeform: snsa bought its share of piz for FG crate + 2 boxen ( the very smg boxen in fact ) , perhaps mp will accept these back .
asciilifeform: << if neither mod6 nor mp ( the other shareholders ) disagree , i'd like all of the piz irons to be sold for modest cost to the current tenants, who can then use .
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'ma come if it somehow turns out to be impossible to send the irons as freight, but otherwise must pass.
asciilifeform: naturally a welded tin can aint a 100 tonne safe . but will be equally impossible to get inside w/out leaving obv. marks.
asciilifeform: bot is unaffected by this patch, diana_coman & lobbes can emplace w/out reset .
asciilifeform: goodnight mp_en_viaje
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: of course remember
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: before piz lost shirt twice. so far most of what learned is 'electrified fence around zone, hurts' )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i can't say i've much to claim as 'merits' in recent time.
asciilifeform also dealing with a possibly-imploding salt mine, for extra kicks
asciilifeform will complete 'peh' even when exiled to pluto, imho it needs doin'
asciilifeform: i'ma carry on w/ peh (needs keccak) , perhaps mp_en_viaje & co will still find use for it .
asciilifeform: fallen is phuctor. (it was gonna get fatter disks, in resupply crate, so can actually go through those ssl dumps , to date has been doing 'random sample' of'em erry wk )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i specifically did not want it in piz, cuz already had dark thought re target-rich envir.
asciilifeform: i'm ok that it goes to random mp_en_viaje page . ( can't point at own www yet, it's still on that heathen random-ip-of-the-week thing )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i'ma point '' at yer www again, like during last exile in the desert, if you dun object. (plox to say if ok w/ this and then which ip prefer)
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: if pipe is in fact restored, will make easier for folx to backup. but other than that i think is curtain call.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform was provisioning a noad-capable box too, for moldavia test .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: fact of the matter is, the nearest restaurant is across atlantic, will take time to get to it in any case.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje this is so.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: remains , imho, to be seen, whether 'floors' even exist.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: a q for BingoBoingo when he wakes up.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: mno, there was a security deposit, + remnant of month afaik.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: so, let's put on record properly, evacuation officially on ? BingoBoingo to send word to latech to stop charging for pipe, they've breached contract ? or are we to hold out for some unlikely concession
asciilifeform apprehensive about re-creating a piz-style 'target rich envir.' in moldavia, but all of asciilifeform's attemps to find reasonable hosters ended in broken teeth
asciilifeform: certainly compared to our deceased horse.
asciilifeform: fella even offered serial port via temp box, given that i refuse to ipmi
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: we're all still stuck with a different set of 'rathers' .
asciilifeform: and to smg i'd also recommend to use the same, but is decision not for me but for mp_en_viaje & co, if they'd rather host on intel w/ ipmi and intel rng, is not my biz
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i can't speak for others, but anyffing i touch will be hosted on this same type of opteron, and with same raid, and w/ same FG .
asciilifeform: incidentally, mp_en_viaje , all the irons that asciilifeform personally worked on, have his seals on'em, and these should still be intact.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the primary smg machine is still owned by smg.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i also had trouble believing, before working as pro exterminator for these in '12-15. (possible that sumthing has changed since, but from what i presently know -- has not.)
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: by mass.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje:
asciilifeform: incidentally quite respectably sized chumpnet was recently abruptly changed owner.
asciilifeform: that ddos of almost arbitrary size is comparatively cheap, vs the defense.
asciilifeform: it is impossible, from the shit drippings coming from latech, to say
asciilifeform: lesse whether mp_en_viaje still holds this pos, when there's >1 tmsr box in that moldavia and it gets 1tb/s sustained.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it's unproven, but imho not baseless, theory, that both were targeted using same net
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: pipe incl. iirc 1Gb/s.
asciilifeform: << funnily , 1 of the places asciilifeform wanted to try parking dulap in '17 , was a (largely empty) telco exchange 2km from house. reputedly, gives a locking rebar cage for <1.5k/m . and in the heart of the beast. the thing, i suspect if had done this, it'd still be there, working..
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: fairnuff
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: piz aint a tea&lemons provider, customers RESPONSIBLE FOR OWN BACKUPS
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: all piz-specific soft afaik is backed up .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: any reason not to physically evacuate all of the iron stock, and not simply back up ?
asciilifeform: and yes, as mp_en_viaje said.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: without a 'we terminated yer contract as of thursday' to go with it, tho
asciilifeform: if they simply closed down, would then match this description. but instead started delivering milk that's 50% baccilae
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: there's a lulzy era1 thread where asciilifeform had to, for salt mine reasons, lease a bank box, and read the contract..
asciilifeform: well in usa, matters even moar simple , dun even need to read that the fella with the weightier bank balance is 'innocent' and the 1 with the lighter -- 'liable', ~100% of the time
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: to picture for a moment that the action were in 'civilized' rather than orcistani court -- if warehouse springs leak, and rain pours through it for week, and five customer's worth of wheat dissolves, i expect > 'month' would be owed.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it isn't that asciilifeform is convinced 'oh we'll win a suit and roll in dough' but that i haven't other constructive idea. ( to tell BingoBoingo 'hey get 2wks head start on rabbits and drinking to death' imho not constructive. )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: sitting still also not 'safe to do'
asciilifeform: asciilifeform is operating already outta the green on his tachometer and perhaps oughta stfu, unless mp_en_viaje or BB have specific qs today.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: was the point strictly that asciilifeform's output to BB, low snr , and needlessly stresses crew ? or that he oughta be doing something else than where i sent him ? or both ? neither ?
asciilifeform: woah, mp_en_viaje concerned with stress of crew ?!!! ~nao~ i must ask, mp_en_viaje are you mp_en_viaje right nao or is hanbot filling in at console ( check out, also forgot that phuctor lived in dulap ? ) plox to fess up!111
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i dun have high expectations.
asciilifeform: latech wrecked piz. (i find it difficult to picture that will be 'un-wrecked') . what would mp_en_viaje do in such case ? there's a clearly identifiable party in breach of (even orcish) contract .
asciilifeform: asciilifeform fwiw is following the 'what learned from mp_en_viaje' notebook.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: what wouldja have him do ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it's a considerable sum for cage even in usa, fwiw.
asciilifeform: so 1 for mp_en_viaje , 1 for pet 1+2, 1 for 3
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje mentioned 2 pets , but some of the illustrations seem to include a 3rd, so will have to suppose used 3 rms.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: yer hotel costs 2+k usbux / night ? impressive.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: spinner is substantially slower than the firehose from where cometh. but yes normally one does headers-only.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it was in fact 'ready to fire' on dulap , but not kept running eternally (a tcpdump of ERRYTHING slows box to a crawl and will eat yer ssd in ~week)
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i've been tryin' to get mine in that ddos hopper since fri
asciilifeform: dulap also served e.g. the rk example image, 2.5GB, downloaded by lotsa people w/ no ill effect on pipe
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: no one (at least not asciilifeform) was marvelling at the magnitude of the ddos or the ingenuity of the shooter
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: this was multilayer shit sandwich -- turned out the pipe was so threadbare, that even just the mini-ddos was enuff to make it ~unusable
asciilifeform: asciilifeform, otoh, did the equiv of when folx w/ no medical education attempt a tracheotomy on choking patient. cuz nobody else was about to.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: Bingo for his part seems to be headed to lifetime of penitence in monastery or the like (tho i'd rather he grew skin like rhinoceros and fought an' won, perhaps still will)
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: some amt of this is prolly not escapable in a mission like piz, which consisted largely of reconnaissance-by-fire. but yes this is likely the cardinal sin of ~erryone
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: yes, but given that asciilifeform aint a gurl, it has 0 impact on operations.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: thrd.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform, formally , is technical vizier, responsible for creation, maintenance, and sometimes emplacement, of irons.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: he took the job ( with encouragement of mp_en_viaje et al )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: plox to eat that 1stpass. nuffing's available.
asciilifeform: ty again mp_en_viaje , needed 1 of these .
asciilifeform: ty mp_en_viaje
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i rec to eat log ( via diana_coman or lobbes ) in 1stpass
asciilifeform: wb mp_en_viaje
asciilifeform: asciilifeform does not have anyffin personally owned in the cage. there is snsa iron, mp will be who decides when to evacuate. others -- themselves, ditto.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 1st we hear from mp ; then to start taking reqs for evacuations.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: aite. watch for mp waking up, i expect he'll have what to add to this .
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: understand that waiting will accomplish nothing. even supposing the mario & luigi derps come back and 'we fixed pipe, promise it won't happen again' it WILL happen again. week, month, year, later, and whole story will repeat.
asciilifeform: well atm the fucker thinks he is stomping a defenseless insect. important to convey that he is mistaken.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: well mp's giving a meat violin concerto or the like atm. and time is of the essence. so i will say, chairman 1st, for so long as BingoBoingo knows the obvious thing to say (i.e. pointedly NOT 'pleez dear sir can haz pipe back' but instead 'this is about the continued solvency of your company, the next conversation will involve barrister, now let's have working pipe, guarantees, and compensation' )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: for the handtruck there will be time later, when folx actually start to demand evacuation. presently you ought to be visiting 1) chairman's office, w/ contract in hand, and ready to explain exactly what will happen if service not restored (and compensation paid ). 2nd stop -- , 3rd -- law office .
asciilifeform: lobbes: it's a very simple mechanism. could probably be made moar sensitive ( turn knob down from 180 ) but it'd create a risk of spurious disconnects.
asciilifeform: this is why no one complained
asciilifeform: meanwhile, diana_coman , lobbes , i'ma have to regrind the latest patch, it is defective (and not simply on acct of the double quotes thing) , apparently in 'a' of diff had wrong copy of MANIFEST .
asciilifeform: diana_coman: happens to asciilifeform regularly, in this swampy penal colony.
asciilifeform: << this, however, mistake. does not 'feel better'. asciilifeform in fact maintains a list of various where mp told him 'yer incorrigible idjit and hands grow from arse', it is quite long.
asciilifeform: << asciilifeform is not the manager , even if has been forced to pick up the grenade , BingoBoingo is still in that chair. and as mp aptly observes, asciilifeform is approx same grade of manager as he is violinist.
asciilifeform: << can i persuade diana_coman to share that pcap ? dulap ended up unplugged just before i could set up tcpdump on it .
asciilifeform: ty BingoBoingo . re the rest , mp_en_viaje has it 100% , atm we dun even know wtf this was
asciilifeform: will have to revert it by removing the double-quote support and making from scratch, asciilifeform tried, like complete chump, to use a built-in py knob for it
asciilifeform: at this pt i'ma take whatever advice mp_en_viaje offers , re how to work these.
asciilifeform currently forming impression that mp_en_viaje dun even wants to wait for latech call, or e.g. these , and that time to evacuate ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: he's the renamed d00d. iirc was originally this, aha
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i aint actually disagreeing in re 'must sell'. but pointing out that also must have ~what~ to sell.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i dun have any experience selling phantoms
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: dun fughet where bv ended up delivering a crate for the cost of 3
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: nao, fast-fwd, mp_en_viaje in effect owns piz (there's ~no piz if mp_en_viaje & co not subscribed, working pipe or not ) .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it was 50/50 tbf / asciilifeform .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: recall how asciilifeform ended up with the job to start with ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i haven't the capital to take it out, or a where-to.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: there, also , and where mp: 'we'll have 25 locations, 25 racks' etc
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: my current take, is that any adventure in republican isp, regardless where located , is a walk between scylla and charybdis .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: this. and ftr i still think it would have been mistake. just a different mistake.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: oddly enuff, this scheme is ~exactly asciilifeform's orig. alternative when objected in '17 to mp_en_viaje's 'we need whole isp, with whole cage'
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i know you don't liek to read castles, but this thread b/w asciilifeform and diana_coman's heathen isp man is pertinent.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the more 'exotic' iron is the fact that all of the iron lives in a cabinet operated by BingoBoingo , and not touched by unknown apes.
asciilifeform: ~none. but mp_en_viaje asked.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: we made 2 parties of 100 , net 200 . 1st party sold immediately to dpb. 2nd sold to a variety of people, leaving the 36 that went to piz and a half dozen emergency spares kept in asciilifeform's desk.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: shall i post'em ? i dun think was ever fully laid in public
asciilifeform: likewise , mp_en_viaje's smg specifically landed there because wanted FG colo'd (in fact before asciilifeform had anyffin to do with the proj)
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: there wasn't what to sell !
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: how does an automated fallback work w/ physical welded machine ? it sprouts wings and flies itself between dc's ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: ikr ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i dunthink enemy gives rat's arse re loggers. objective was to take out piz.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: diana_coman's & lobbes's work a+++
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 'all's fair in war', i enlisted for this headache, no one forced.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: throbbing, genuine physical headache
asciilifeform: i dun even disagree with mp_en_viaje's drop if you can't win -- but the flip side is that must NOT surrender if still could.
asciilifeform: see, BingoBoingo , if we had pipe from antel, perhaps could buy additional capacity on temporary basis as ddosism ebbs and flows. like adults.
asciilifeform: ( granted this setup was complete ~before~ asciilifeform picked up this grenade. but at the same time it was still a waiting bomb. )
asciilifeform: cuz , as mp_en_viaje observed, it's a 'cheap' ddos, given that BingoBoingo is still able to use net from his flat in the same town
asciilifeform: then will actually fulfill mp's orig spec of 'own fucking line, with no one to say 'we pulled you to protect our other derps' )
asciilifeform: and ftr asciilifeform suspects that this story will end with mp_en_viaje asking asciilifeform to hand in his bicord. wat good is an admiral w/out a fleet ? like miklos horthy ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: imho, BingoBoingo oughta carefully discuss w/ mp , ~before~ (and not as last time, after) talk w/ latech.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if we were hosting gossipd nodes instead of public www's and irc bots, then indeed wouldn't matter that 90% of our ip block at any given time is awol. could simply walk it until connects to noad via the remaining. but we aint..
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this is why enemy picked piz to start with, rather than e.g. lobbes's heathenisp box ( which cost him 0 aside from monthly cost and can simply move , erry day if he likes ) or mp_en_viaje's (which is 9000x oversupplied with pipe and he can also move at very little loss to whatever new isp)
asciilifeform: ddosism i suspect will follow all attempts to build republican isp. and will appear at the maximally effective time, i.e. when resources have already been sunk into buildout, long-term contracts with pipe seller signed, etc
asciilifeform: he had also this idea but it will have to be done by someone else, asciilifeform already spent most of what he had on the attempt to build piz.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: sadly mp_en_viaje already wrote an article re sane solution ( gossipd. )
asciilifeform: << was aboutta rage re timestamps but nope, they're correct. at least in that segment.
asciilifeform bungled the expedition and still owes mp_en_viaje coin
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: back in '17 when dulap-I crater was still smoking , asciilifeform wanted to try ro . but mp_en_viaje said that it was poor site, and i'm inclined to think that he had good reason to say this.
asciilifeform: << it's been 2+y since the last dig. there's gotta be ~something~ resembling competition, at the level below the orcish national thing. ( fwiw the dc routing cabinet was a glass item and there were defo several groups of panels in it, hanging off what seems like physically distinct fibers to street )
asciilifeform: 2nd pic dun look like any kinda ddos at all, simply saturated incoming pipe, happens erry single time anyone uploads a coupla GB of db dump or whatnot
asciilifeform: this was ( and continues, dulap still dead ) a maddeningly sovokesque experience, where we pay vendor for fish 'that's what they don't have at the fish counter' but short of borrowing mp_en_viaje's freighter and laying own fiber i can't presently think of a final solution to it
asciilifeform: unless mp_en_viaje contributes an idea for moar bite, let's send this.
asciilifeform: it is difficult to argue with his example. his box -- stays up.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje somehow solves, neh
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this is how the current bot logs in. however it dun work with cloaks (except apparently for old accts, e.g. mp's)
asciilifeform: ( evidently somewhere do exist 'serious adult' carriers, i.e. where mp_en_viaje parks his box. but for some reason he sent BingoBoingo to uy, and not to there )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: see mp_en_viaje's point above. i suspect he's right
asciilifeform: why ty mp_en_viaje .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: this may be, but asciilifeform does not yet know on what level of the idjit pyramid took place this particular idjicy.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i've yet to witness this oddity, where page reloads when link clicked
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not only mp_en_viaje has point, and yer gonna have to talk w/ latech , but is high time to find out what other dc exists in that orcistan, lt's can't be the only 1 ( if it were, would be dangerously close shave in itself, to be had over a barrel )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: lobbes's ? loads here. ( not housed in piz )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: does lobbes's same ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: heavy page, low mem ? cannot say, but doubt that it is connected to which logotron ( diana_coman's box is running same item as mine was when went down )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: artifact of browser possibly ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i've had the suspicion since august that these people are overselling their bw.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: couldja share what it was you said to the latech derps ? cuz i'm getting the impression that you left'em with impression that it is somehow acceptable to nullrout a paying customer's ip block.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: plox to share the 'undreamy' straight-logic then ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: indeed. i'm relying on BB to get some fucknig answers (and the pipe, forfuxxsake)
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 10:48 new york time .
asciilifeform: bvt: 180 appears to work (tested for coupla hrs) but may need empirical test.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: possibly grandfathered. when asciilifeform experimented w/ no-sslism connect via own (cloakistic) nick, ended up w/ displayed ip.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: per the letter of the contract, we are..
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it's described further downlog -- appears to be the traditional rotating ddos
asciilifeform: when i wrote 1st draft of logotron, i initially made mistake where lines were displayed in order of timestamp. even very old logs became an adventure in wtf upon reading
asciilifeform: given how pc clock worx, and the existence of multiple loggers, timestamps in log are somewhere between 'mildly informative' and 'screamingly useless' imho
asciilifeform: ( and to add insult to injury, when importing logs externally, the peer's times are eaten )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: timestamps (both current & historic) are all over the place. cuz clocks are shite.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the new one simply demands that ~something~ come down the pipe erry disc_t seconds. recc'd value 180 .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: you had some a++ q's re syncism etc, but i'ma answer'em after piz not on fire .
asciilifeform: if deploying, make sure to see readme & example config re knob.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it's a small ddos, as they come, but compounded by the hamfistedness of piz upstream. BB is in the cage atm bazaring w/em
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: nope. but iirc you're on a phased array of euro pipes, not individually routable to from outside also eh
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: seems like only folx regularly throwing ips in the log, affected.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: summary : rotating ddos, not even limited to piz
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: whole thing in log ( diana_coman's and lobbes's, naturally ), it's reasonably compact
asciilifeform: ( either that, or simply outlandish margin of spare pipe bought from last time when he ~was~ included )
asciilifeform: mp's www fwiw doesn't seem visibly affected. so prolly not included on the magick list.
asciilifeform: even so, if incoming e.g. 50, that 50 oughta consist of a random sampling of the incoming. not 0.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i guess this is an illuminative experiment re the q of what it is we actually get for that ( pretty hefty, quite enuff to keep three bus-fuls of orcs in empanadas erry month ) pipe fee. turns out not 200Mb/s , but 'what we feel like aint too hard' ??
asciilifeform expects that 'adult' synctron will be nearly as complicated as the logger per se...
asciilifeform: further re syncer -- it oughta warn if logic proposes a non-empty drop set but peers fail to offer fill which covers at least it.
asciilifeform: no attempt is yet made to determine if two peers offer same tail (they will differ, guaranteed, in timestamps, but ought not elsewise. but this is not touched yet.)
asciilifeform: output also contains comments to show where begin blocks of proposed discards ; where -- imports (and from what peer, to what chan.)
asciilifeform: instead picked a reasonable format where 'DEL;chan;idx;' proposes the removal of a line; 'ADD;chan;...' (with ... as in traditional raw dumps currently) proposes an import ; and # signifies comment until newline.
asciilifeform: i considered to make it shit out edible sql dump; but then realized that i have nfi how to guarantee sanity re uniturdism in these.
asciilifeform: ^ implements algo discussed earlier today with diana_coman .
asciilifeform: lobbes: if you want to emphasize that it's a mp-endorsed castle, put the deed in the chan subjline like in #a.
asciilifeform: lobbes: i dun have any problem w/ including your castle ( is it properly proclaimed castle via mp yet ? btw ? ) -- tho may have to fiddle w/ the htmlism so all 7 actually fit in the header . lemme know when yer ready to deed a signed copy of the archival log for it, to be eaten.
asciilifeform: ( aside from the timestamp thing )
asciilifeform: tho even then you would have to impose conditions re what happens when 2 or more peers disagree.
asciilifeform: (c) in particular may be violated if there are recently imported (from peer loggers) lines in the db .
asciilifeform: so, to complete the picture, this algo is guaranteed to work correctly if a) one of the peers actually contains the complete log segment for time T .. present b) no one speaks in the interval while it operates c) the timestamp T correctly represents the cutoff
asciilifeform: diana_coman: aite. proposed algo , is a manually-triggered item that 1) takes a 'breakage point', i.e. last known correctly logged line represented by tuple [chan, index] . 2) finds its timestamp 3) drops errything in db postdating said timestamp 4) walks list of peer loggers, fetches for each enabled chan, errything from last-known-idx i to i+500 5) 4 is repeated until returns <500 6) then takes the ~longest~ such result, from the s
asciilifeform reminds readers that he is not in any capacity in tbf and cannot formally nominate anyone . matter is entirely in hands of mod6 , tho he'd be wise to consult mp re wat-do imho.
asciilifeform: << not even to disagree w/ mp_en_viaje's comments, but hey mod6 there's an even moar elementary problem : ben_vulpes went to bottom of the sea, and you haven't filled his throne yet (per charter, oughta)
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i'ma have to buy, cuz unequipped to comment in detail just yet
asciilifeform: lobbes: pretty neat. ( and you could prolly shorten it substantially by replacing the old cl bot with mine, but iirc you have a full plate w/ mp's wptronic item atm )
asciilifeform: lobbes: it seems useless nao, but when we do autosyncs, will be important.
asciilifeform: ( hey spies, y'know you can simply read the log ? )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: came with 4 diesels , and i dun suppose the reactor gets sold at any rate. but if mp_en_viaje says 'too small', then too small, who am i to say.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it's roughly same problem as crewing a surplus sovok submarine
asciilifeform: they've convenient flat tops, too, could prolly get to it at 300mph in chopper..
asciilifeform pictures mp_en_viaje sizing up a flakturm for eurobase
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: well if a schloss aint a schloss unless built by at least a kurfurst -- then of course 0 in india. or cr.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: iirc there were places with even cheaper schloss than ro, austria, etc. e.g. india. (but w/ the obv. problems)
asciilifeform: 2km from asciilifeform's chair there's an indoor smokery. so that dun 100% answer. but otoh there's gotta be a reason why mp_en_viaje not already bought coupla austrian schlossen
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: what's austria like in re ameritardation ? ( iirc not yet in nato; but in practice, does it resist the usual idjicy ? )
asciilifeform: ( and, is it the kind mp_en_viaje described in old thread, where you gotta drill 3 metres of stone to put in toilet ? or already plumbed )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: re that 12mn schloss -- is that supposed to be a 'bargain' price ? i have nfi what these usually cost
asciilifeform: diana_coman: wasn't intended as an objection to the idea. simply that in asciilifeform's head, the main open q re irc noades is , how well does the 'net split' sync mechanism in existing servers, worx
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: lol, what's to even guard there ?
asciilifeform: entirely possib. osman empire was in full bore 'apres moi le deluge' mode , then
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: why would they want to nail the harem gurlz?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the textbook example at one pt was the armenians
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the folx runnin' the ovens, if their depositions are to be believed, believed, tho.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: imho could have saved much weight / complexity in 'eagle' if it were bolt-operated. but tbf i never yet had to 'invert this matrix'
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: cant resist to ask : when you shot the 'eagle', what kinda loads didja use ? according to the nitpicky critics, it gets fouled quickly unless fed fmj
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: '90s ru type flamethrower. the traditional kind wastes buncha fuel in flight .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: very often folx dun give a damn re energy -- e.g. snub-nose revolver, or 'saw off', or traditional ru обрез , where compactness is king
asciilifeform: showed even compression waves in the powder as it went off
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: there was a spiffy neutronographic (!) film study in '80s su to try an' determine ideal barrel. sadly cannot atm find on net
asciilifeform: wb mp_en_viaje !
asciilifeform: imho the most direly gaping hole is the support needed for importing era1 l0gz
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma cut the stump out in next patch.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: observe that the example tape you linked , contains only #t, cuz indices are per-chan and no other chan has advanced to anywhere near 1937934
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: is how asciilifeform was counted. and the other coolies. ~doubles the tax rate, and removes 'unemploy insurance' & other expenses for usg.
asciilifeform: a++ full-employment scheme...
asciilifeform pictures a fyootoor us army where 4 of 5 men in platoon can be gimps, and 'designated walksman' is the only 1 who's req'd to have working legs
asciilifeform: ( and pertinently, contrary to popular delusion, usa's 'contract soldier' is psychologically still same conscript, us army is fulla folx who joined e.g. to get their teeth fixed, or simply to find any work at all, aint no work to be had in their native oklahomistan outside of meth labs )
asciilifeform: re that 'mac-10' ( famously rejected by army commission with phrase 'this would be great for warfare inside a phone booth' ) -- americans very fond in recent decades of 'picturesque', loud, but entire impractical small arms. iirc mp even wrote a piece on subj, along the lines of tlp's 'this is not to win, but to Feel Like A Trader'.
asciilifeform: << the key to the puzzler aint much of a seekrit. goebbels put it in plain text. j00z were picked as 'instigators of the war' and meat grinder ramped up in direct proportion to the obviousness of germany starting to lose. the chronology fits.
asciilifeform: << instead of arguing the point, i'ma invite mp_en_viaje to take cheap chronograph and compare 2 barrel lengths in same caliber. ( where flash is white, gas is still pushing . is part of why folx even bother with long barrels. )
asciilifeform always wondered whether this and similar publishers, printed such marvels as 'course of cryptography' where caesar's cipher was presented as state of art, or the various 'wonderful explosives in kitchen' schemes ~guaranteed to homogenize the experimenter , at usg behest, or via the ample ameri-supply of naturally occurring idjicy
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: for what argentards to invade uy ? to steal the pot-flavoured empanadas ??
asciilifeform: made temporarily famous by that black policeman fella who 'postal' coupla yrs ago.
asciilifeform: the slow, blunt 45 is moar of a police interest item than for any kinda war. there's an infamous case where 2 drunken red army sargeants had 'duel at dawn at 50 paces' w/ lendlease 'thompsons' . both scored, neither penetrated the wool greatcoat.
asciilifeform: i suspect mp_en_viaje's formulation is equivalent to mine.
asciilifeform: is why even in simple man-made tooling gotta have 'written standards'. otherwise result is pythonism etc.
asciilifeform: as asciilifeform sees it, almost definitionally 'civilization' as in written , organized culture, is attempt to stall the drift.
asciilifeform: fuckno (and noshit) , mp_en_viaje described this imho 100% correctly in linked piece
asciilifeform: arguably medieval latin was a deliberate attempt at 'stable for scholars'
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: in mouth of 'scholar' just about anyffin can be 'stable', as in your quality italians. even oddball conlangs. recall the tears of the folx who made up 1945 hebrew when their spawn started speaking it tho.
asciilifeform: in asciilifeform's model, looking only at 'stable' rather than 'better' (in whatever measure, e.g. the 1 where english is fucking ~impossible to write quality lit , not even speaking of poem, or unambiguous argument, etc. in )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i cannot disagree. observed, tho, that even the utmost classical greeks were already spewing out loose neutrons, if you will, per model
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: also from getting a foreign alphabet welded to it , kazah-style, and the users lacking the spark of life to fucking fix it
asciilifeform: 'simpler' is possib. wrong word. speaking here of macroscopic part count.
asciilifeform: 'ultralights', the jungle men, ditto, they dun have enuff 'temperature' to 'fuse' into sumthing like what civilized folx speak
asciilifeform: for thread-completeness tho :
asciilifeform: i was gonna share a crackpot model of the item but mp_en_viaje already hinted that he has same 1
asciilifeform: << ty mp_en_viaje , found culprit: a built-in idjicy in the pythonism that asciilifeform used to implement doublequotes. i'ma have to rewrite that mechanism.
asciilifeform: up/down arrows in displayer (really only useful on pocket comps and other exotic terminals, but asciilifeform sometimes uses) go to start/end of page
asciilifeform: there are also minor improvements to 'reader' , but these need moartest atm.
asciilifeform: !q seen mp_en_viaje
asciilifeform: right, asciilifeform's contention aint 'dafuq, this can't work' but 'well it clearly worx, i simply dun know precise mechanism'
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: poor model, transistor, it's ~nuffin BUT rng when 'out of the box'
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i recall the spiders. wasn't necessarily a sphex tho, there are other wasps that 'smarter' and will throw exception and stop looking for the caterpillar
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 'imagined choice' can drive the imaginer into walls, but is unclear to me that the walls move, or even get dirty as result
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: this is a+++ model of 'america great again'(tm)(r) lulzcows aha
asciilifeform suspects that mp_en_viaje is right re 'fixed %' tho. but to run w/ the analogy, the radon does stay in the ground until you dig to the bedrock, so will in effect vary
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: seems to me that typical 'peasant delusion' is ~opposite~ , 'choice wat choice, i only know how to turnip'
asciilifeform: but i think i see what mp_en_viaje meant
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: again this only in re ru planet, but there was measurable 'leakage' from 'pleb' to 'highwayman' , proportionate to how screamingly retarded was the crown at given time
asciilifeform: on orc side there was attempt to institutionalize, 'ok you can be brigand right-there, on turk border' i.e. cossac
asciilifeform: for completeness, 'what did they then do' wasn't always 'eh same thing as grandfather, try to pull turnips from mud', but sometimes instead brigandage
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: similarly to alabama, i.e. not far. cuz it wasn't as if they escaped on motorcycles , ha
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: observation aint re 'ohnoez serfdom wicked' but re 'total cost of operation'(tm)
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: iirc in most of west europes, serfs not sellable..?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: plox to expand re the plague if got time
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform took ride in coupla dozen 'ubers' etc , talked to the wheel-turners , found that most of'em have day jobs in bureaucracy somewhere, it's an after-hrs gig
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it's 'furniture-fueled furnace capitalism' -- offloads cost of purchase (and they want the driver to buy it, ideally, via their credit service) & maintenance of the auto , on the driver , removes ~all 'fat margin' so price wildly fluctuates
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it varies by factor of 2+x! depending on 'pressure'
asciilifeform: the 'uber' & related chumpatrons, also appeal to the ~penniless by precomputing the price ( and offering to seat randos for cutting cost in ~half) , so apparently slowly killing traditional cabs.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: dunno re orcistans, but over here they ask you to type the addr into a pnojetron and then blindly go where it points.
asciilifeform: iguess it wasn't from 'empty space' that the robotic cabs crackpottery began to seem appealing
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: fwiw over here in north reich , they're ~solidly india/paki
asciilifeform always had vaguely positive impression of modern iran. tho possibly simply on acct of its abuse by the reich
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: pretty neat, always wanted to see a mp_en_viaje reportage of iran & co
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: atm ""ism only prevents partial matches inside words.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: properly making it go will require opening b00k re pgism
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: aa, word boundarism dunwork yet
asciilifeform: for thread-completeness, let's put mp_en_viaje's test here ( #a-test is a garbage chan and aint logged )
asciilifeform: ty for test mp_en_viaje . there's also a raw-all knob (to make syncs easier) , contains all logged material from all enabled chans.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: can i persuade you to pop into #asciilifeform-test for 5min ? ( to see format of crosspost-indication-enabled bot that i'ma be rotating in tonight )
asciilifeform: wb mp_en_viaje !
asciilifeform: diana_coman: outta curiosity, were the btc receiver addrs they genned, trb-compat ?
asciilifeform: ( granted -- mechanically complicated, but oughta work )
asciilifeform: contemplated -- multiple tags. (1 per word, if must)
asciilifeform: << i dun see why the server end could not simply add <font...> tags around all of the material being selected?
asciilifeform: i.e. whole idea of synced loggers, becomes an impossibility.
asciilifeform: if you introduce hard splits by date -- the example differential pair nao will not only not load identically, but also not echo. and worse, there will be no decidable algorithm for even determining what the link made for 1 logger, corresponds to on other.
asciilifeform: the historic epochtimestamps are incidentally all over the place, try setting a scratch box logger to sort ~by time~ some time and weep. ( from when phf , for instance, imported his znc, evidently wasn't 100% synced to the primary logger ; and elsewhere )
asciilifeform: ericbot: i'ma restate compactly. atm we index lines. by a monotonic # . the timestamps are stored as unix epochal times. the urls, however, demand a e.g. 2014-07-16 , and always did, and these both now and then were parsed via what the particular box thought local time was. resulting in headache, because machine timekeeping was , and remains, shite.
asciilifeform: ( it is preventing import of era1 )
asciilifeform: result is imho not only moar compact ( why throw the ' ' to the screen ? ) but moar readable .
asciilifeform: ^ in this example, as we're using line-based selector, cites whole line. but if used fine-grained selector, could cite the selection.
asciilifeform goes to construct example...
asciilifeform: incidentally, if yer going full throttle w/ selectables , the Right Thing imho would be to take it all the way and make items like this actually display (if reasonably compact.. config knob?) the linked text. a la old man ted nelson's 'transclusions' concept .
asciilifeform: in related grrs, asciilifeform recently attempted backport of mircea_popescu's selector knob to own wp, but broke teeth cuz it dun know how to cross paragraphs, and i have '9000' multi-para selections, esp. in ffa series where coad
asciilifeform: imho a logger that can't resync at all, aint much of a logger. but at the same time i dun see why a generate-statics logger couldn't be made to resync. simply a bit moar complicated.
asciilifeform: otherwise you could easily end up importing the other logger's hole vs yours
asciilifeform: currently this is a gnarly manually-cranked process, as ./ deliberately is made so ~not~ to import any line that conflicts with existing index
asciilifeform: lobbes: i relit mine via curl "" > foo; ./ foo trilema 3
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the way i read it, he starts with rhetorical 'but how could be political' then proceeds to show entirely edible concrete example
asciilifeform: the current algo, for thread-completeness.
asciilifeform: incidentally, if anyone can think of a cleaner way to parse the 2 types of link ( [][] and naked htt.. ) than what's given in asciilifeform's , i'd like to hear about it. ( presently there's a quite ugly 2-step transform, as apparently it is impossible to regexp-transmute a grammar w/ 2+ patterns in 1 step )
asciilifeform: aking the proposition of free trade futile. Whether or not Drepper is aware of the political implications of the of his technical decision is irrelevant to the fact of their existance. Nevertheless, there is a belief by technologists “educated” at ITT and the public equivilants that software can exist outside of politics. As a result the US has a legal system that runs on Word, a financial system that runs on Excel, and a voting
asciilifeform: with the modest ram, not a rk competitor, but potentially useful for other applications ( has 3 serial ports, so can eat FG ) ; runs 'pogo'-style linux, so can stuff even classic gpg in ; can have nic plug attached, so potentially even host small net proggies ; pulls coupla milliwatt, so could work in radio relays or similar.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: these new 'spies' aint tryin to bring back seekritz, but instead simply spread rot, a sort of bipedal smallpox blanket. seems to work
asciilifeform: ( if fuel is not a concern, fly all 10 and xor'em!1111 -- in all seriousness, rng is perhaps the easiest part known to man where to implement redundancy )
asciilifeform: atm if you want a FG for use in mars probe -- gotta do it sovok-style, take 10 and test in the desired conditions , pick the champ.
asciilifeform: ftr FG was made of 'commercial', to keep cost reasonable. tho i've selected random samples and cooled to -20 / heated to +60 ; passed tests. but item is ftr not made for use inside freezer or oven.
asciilifeform: there are fine gradations inside the 'classes' also (chiefly degradation curves vs temp, e.g. in vreg , de-rated in re max tolerable voltage spike, or hrs of expected life, or both, at high temp ) , it's a quite gnarly biz
asciilifeform: components since '70s traditionally sold with 'temperature class' stamp : 'commercial' (saddest; 0-85C) ; 'industrial' (-40-100C) ; 'automobile' (-40-125C) ; 'military' (-55-125C, sometimes moar)
asciilifeform: the 'clock speed race' tempted vendors into cutting corners (i.e. 'new cpu 2x as hot but we'll use same room-temp-rated parts around it because Who Will Notice!11' )
asciilifeform: indeed; tho most of these feature konsoomer comps
asciilifeform: dunno, i have such things as sgi 'octane', dec 'alpha', from late '90s, that still run w/ orig. components
asciilifeform: typical example.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in 1600s ru, the church had an episode of rampaging stupid, and ended with ban on not only performing gypos but , for a time, all musical instruments. the bear specialists converted to straight brigandry, adding to already formidable head count of thieves/brigands.
asciilifeform: ( from hanbot's piece i drew conclusion that mircea_popescu is back home, but possibly he's simply 'night shift' nao )
asciilifeform: woah ultracompact log.
asciilifeform: ( accompanying thrd in #a, if anyone gives shit )
asciilifeform: meanwhile, from the lulzcollector traps : usg nuke ministry's attempt at ffa. ( for bonus laffs, they apparently have a shithub, fulla misc. opensores rubbishes ...)
asciilifeform: there was a crate of tank pressure regulators stamped 'hydrogen' , 'patent 1943', but dun think i could bring myself to use these.
asciilifeform: meanwhile in -- apparently phf still tuned in , and fixed when i asked. but really we oughta settle the url thing imho, so can finally import era1 .
asciilifeform: ( lobbes : dun fughet to 1) verify and then 2) strip out the pgpisms in this dump , when eating )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: 'delete from loglines where chan = 'ossasepia' and idx < 1000000;' and then eaten your deeded dump. ate w/out eggog. plox to lemme know if see barf.
asciilifeform: << that's the piece i dun have of yet. ( and imho oughta be implemented after the no-dates-url thing is properly solved. otherwise will have to be 100% rebaked when it is. )
asciilifeform: there
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu actually had piece on this subj. where mentioned 'dragon'. i.e. at some pt the lamer's task becomes factually impossible, after tall enuff pile of fuckup
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re 'face derealization' / 'they gave up, why' -- i was reading not long ago about keldysh (head of sovok academy of sciences, and overall respectable figure, in charge of ~100% of calculative works for space / atomic programs etc. ) BUT at same time is the fella who undertook 'let's ditch native comp archs and copy pdp'. seems like was a checkmate, rather than 'dolchstoss', saw no working alternative , 'we can't affor
asciilifeform: and attempts to copy same
asciilifeform: oh hey mircea_popescu do you still have that letter where he took a shit on asciilifeform's complaint re glibc ?
asciilifeform: '91 was simply culmination of this process, when pretense fell away.
asciilifeform: ( kgb -- won ; andropov -- crowned; purged the 'principled' folx, proceeded to do all he could to blow up the pylons on which stood sovok, but croaked promptly, adopted prince gorby was left to ineptly finish up the job )
asciilifeform: fsf dead, for any conceivable pov, for decade+ . nao simply cement poured on grave.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: re 'cohesive' -- no moar or less than ameritards. simply in orcistans there does not exist the custom of pseudo-'plurality' that the (formerly) rich 'west' was able (until recently) to afford.
asciilifeform: cattle stampeding (all the way into meat plant conveyor) aint 'cattle running the farm', the farm is still a farm and farmer is still the farmer, and meat still grown for market.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: exactly like the chinese cultural rev. (which shut off like a lamp when mao flicked switch) this one is a 'controlled burn'.
asciilifeform: this particular 'africa' tho is prion-contagious. the software derps decided that 'it's still a valid program' when imports GB of autoconfolade and 'appears to work'. the maffs people decided 'it's still a proof' when imports a GB of softwareliquishit and fits in 0 heads. the physics folx , that 'it's still physics' if used an irreproducible machine built by great inca. whereas per asciilifeform all of these people are pulling own co
asciilifeform: diana_coman: lemme know how you want the db on dulap corrected ( 'drop where chan='ossasepia'... & import ? then plox to deedbot a replacement dump of #o )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: when you fix your copy, i'ma reimport, ping me
asciilifeform: diana_coman: there isn't currently any such thing. ( what asciilifeform was orig. wanting to make, was a 'calendar page' thing. but not attempted yet. )
asciilifeform: ( yet someone builds the blocks of flats . how they make profit ? very simply, tlp-style, i.e. by leasing to welfare mooches, these come w/ guaranteed subsidy from usg. )
asciilifeform: lobbes: this may be a geographic thing, or simply asciilifeform's luck, but when renting 'from human' never 1nce experienced rising cost. they're extremely reluctant to raise it, because 'what happens if this d00d leaves and aint replaced until months later, or is replaced with a normal person who dun maintain w/ own hands' etc
asciilifeform: << i suspect it's being done to scratch the ego itch of some hollywood lizard, rather than as rationally planned affair ( otherwise not even need to lease army base, would simply use 3d rendered scene )
asciilifeform: somewhat oddly, perhaps, vs traditional comp-building culture , mechanical strength is needed, the crates are abused rather heavily by the porters ( last time BingoBoingo and asciilifeform had to straighten the 'ears' with hammers )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: was asking re attempts, rather than success ( consider the greeks' 'success' )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: yw. when we crack the url puzzler and import era1 , will also need historic bots in there.
asciilifeform: << when lobbes bakes a phpistic parser for these, could put in mp's-wp then ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is there a native romanicism that goes with it ? ( as in the 'vrem/timp' pair )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: compare w/fix vs. your current to see the diff.
asciilifeform: diana_coman i recommend to read & emplace this one, so lobbes & asciilifeform can resync from your /log-raw : the old export mechanism was apparently broken in the case of 'action' lines.
asciilifeform: example output.
asciilifeform: at worst we'll simply use apache's throttle, aha. oughta work.
asciilifeform: << ty lobbes ! i will test & emplace this today
asciilifeform: for elliott, the tree stump outside my window is fully adequate replacement. rather ask, who will replace c. f. gauss .
asciilifeform suspects that herr newton is poor example -- fella did end up master of mint, and prolly not by sitting in locked office refusing to talk
asciilifeform: ( steam won because fast+reliable, not simply 'fast' . and apparently skilled navigator can make up the diff much of the time. but, 'phd assembly line', none alive nao. )
asciilifeform: stalin is remembered as effective king strictly because the war forced moderation of leukocyte. otherwise, he'd be remembered as exactly like e.g. emperor qin shihuangdi, who beheaded succession of 9000 alchemists for failing to produce elixir of immortality, until finally gave up in frustration and ate one , fulla hg salts
asciilifeform: (for completeness, let's translate :
asciilifeform: fwiw 'talk directly to mp' when 'i'm in a corner' moar often than not , in my experience, gives this output. i accept this, he's a 'sink or swim' sort of guru. but also not surprised that phf hesitated to ask him for an evac chopper .
asciilifeform: diana_coman: what detail, in your eyes important, am i neglecting ?
asciilifeform: trinque: from where this implication ?
asciilifeform: trinque: fwiw i suspect they 'ran' to bottle, rather than 'to empire'.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: heathen sores tars do tend to contain astonishing volumes of binliquishit. ( or were you thinking of the thompsonistic trap where 'need gnat to build gnat' etc. , rather ? )
asciilifeform has nfi whether the locals buy from Official shop, or grow 'christmas garden' under uv lamp, or which.
asciilifeform: as i currently understand, if one were to 1) SO_REUSEADDR + 2) force it closed before attempting any connect -- oughta cure
asciilifeform: diana_coman: admittedly asciilifeform is not any kind of star pedagogue. but from own schooling, i found much moar memorable the lessons where 'and this is btw is also the tamper equation in hbomb!' than 'you Need To ... for exam!'
asciilifeform: meanwhile asciilifeform attempts to teach a short vtronics lecture in diana_coman's school while diana_coman slept .
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in 'wildmen attempt to tmsr' strange : 'Tauthon is a backwards-compatible fork of the Python 2.7.16 interpreter with new syntax, builtins, and libraries backported from Python 3.x. Python code and C-extensions targeting Python 2.7 or below are expected to run unmodified on Tauthon and produce the same output.'
asciilifeform: diana_coman: 'ratchet must ratchet, so spring -- must spring'(tm)(r)(mp)
asciilifeform: << i gotta ask, what did the old astronomer do to mircea_popescu , to become this example ?
asciilifeform: << this is a deeper africanism than mircea_popescu suspects , and sadly not even limited to pythonisms. it comes from when hands grow out of arses, and folx write libs where the namespaces cannot be mixed, so yer stuck , cuz can't import a + b . seen it in adaisms , cl, elsewhere.
asciilifeform: for thread-completeness : nsabot.log of current run.
asciilifeform: wait mircea_popescu , why can't be done ? seems like simple fix ( tho in my simplistic 'run on lappy & yank nic cord' reconnect test, never saw the state that lobbes discovered, so never implemented 'make new socket' )
asciilifeform wonders how long before unitardation reaches the magick threshold when would be moar economical to simply encode bitmap of glyph
asciilifeform: lobbes: the max dump line limit is configurable. ( and i'ma turn the knob on mine if anyone finds the '500' inconvenient. plox to write in. )
asciilifeform: lobbes: btw dumps from 10.3 eat on 9.x w/out modification, you did not need to comment anything. (it will spit warnings but harmless. tested.)
asciilifeform: lobbes:
asciilifeform: as mircea_popescu knows full well, nuffin is 'simple' on pc. but there's degrees of bulk.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: asciilifeform is originally a lisp crackpot, rather than forth crackpot. forth is arguably 'polar opposite' , there is no gc, or 'raw ast' syntax, in fact no syntax in the familiar sense ( since you've studied 'peh' this summary oughta make sense. ) so best summary would be, i dun ~like~ forth, simply keep coming back to it because it appears to be the only known solution point in the domain space of 'most physically-com
asciilifeform: << why do you suppose piz pipe, 200Mb/s costs ~1k$/mo , while in timis 1Gb/s advertised at 10 $ ? the industrial pipe can, and in fact does (lately) run at ~100% capacity for weeks on end. which is not to say that there aint scam providers which will try to throttle a customer to less than he paid. simply, piz did not suffer the misfortune of sitting under any such.
asciilifeform: ( 'peh', fwiw, is NOT a standard-compliant forth, i committed quite deliberately war crimes against the classical standard in order to make the parser as simple as physically possible, to make all operators weigh 1 or 2 chars )
asciilifeform: << in the orig. '17 thread re 'make cpu', mircea_popescu made the observation 'the sticker prices have 3 or 4 extra zeros on'em', i.e. pointless to even ask the q before we have penetration into the asian snakepits where iron is actually baked. without such, we're stuck looking at the chump ratecards.
asciilifeform: << this is entirely troo ( recall the infamous ibm derp's 'there is a world market for perhaps 6 computers' ? )
asciilifeform: << appeal of forth is that there ~aint~ a 'tower'. i.e. can stand up all the compiler you need in coupla 100 bytes.
asciilifeform: this is difficult to calculate 'on napkin' w/out an actual complete iron design, however.
asciilifeform: ( btw , for thread-completeness -- you need 4096 modexp in < 3.8 ~microsecond~ to eat GB at line-rate. )
asciilifeform: i certainly wouldn't invite anyone to pay to build such space station until thoroughly familiar with working example 'in soft'
asciilifeform: you can parallelize the work, but the amt of effective diff it makes , is relatively small when compared to the absolute size of the above shortfall.
asciilifeform: but important to remember that yer nic can still eat 512b shitograms roughly 10,000x faster than you can modexp on'em . even w/ bvt's asmisms.
asciilifeform: trinque: it would indeed 'cut world', in the sense that gives you a gossiptronic net fully layered over the traditional one. and with dozen+ entrance boxen, suddenly impossible to effectively ddos anything on the inner (i.e. what comes out of the 2nd plug) world.
asciilifeform: trinque: an 'iron peh', where the ALU is actually e.g. 4096b-wide -- may be workable as general-purpose comp.
asciilifeform: on e.g. x86, a forth complete enuff that you could comfortably live the rest of your life in it, weighs about 1kB.
asciilifeform: complete w/ electromagnetic models etc
asciilifeform: chuck moor had , famously , complete vlsi production plant in iirc 3k loc of forth .
asciilifeform: trinque: for overall smallest mass of system + all needed for $problem ? afaik forth in fact is the unchallenged champ, wherever was historically tried.
asciilifeform: this obv. worx in some applications. but i dun grasp how one would implement e.g. searchable log, this way
asciilifeform: but for anyffin moar complicated (e.g. having a search box)
asciilifeform: or is he completely totalled ?
asciilifeform: btw in re 'countries where can't buy test button for geiger' -- is ridiculously impotent ban; all you gotta do is to (carefully!) collect dust from crt monitor screen for coupla wks, and mix into a coupla grams of epoxy. po-210, 214, 218 . (exercise for reader : how did it get there?)
asciilifeform: ( 'TLP3905' only gives 12uA, and the regulator eats ~7uA as heat, but diode eats only picoamp or so as leakage current when reverse-biased )
asciilifeform: occasionally 1 of these pumps gives out, and then truck shows up to repair the drowned furnace etc. for megabux.
asciilifeform: some of the nearby folx, have actual cellars, and these have pumps going at all times, sorta like bilge pump in ship. they gurgle out to the street periodically.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: these here swamp dwellings are built sorta like those huts in vietnam. there's a concrete plinth, and ~1m columns, on these -- the floor.
asciilifeform: more interestingly, on subj, when put in 'ikea' desk, found that it is impossible to keep ball bearing still on it, no matter how legs are adjusted. the 'wood' gives under weight of displays etc.
asciilifeform when moved into current woodpaste, went in it when it was empty and put ball bearing on the floor. it didn't move.
asciilifeform: at any rate that's merely 1 example .

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