asciilifeform: however this approach is expensive, in manual labour, and its cost borders on that of simply making new machines from 0
asciilifeform: swiftgeek: even simple xray would give you basic info, such as the number of balls in the bga, and possibly the routes of the test pads (it ain't a very crowded pcb)
asciilifeform: you will get a (very limited, pretty much all you can do is to read version strings and gpio voltages) command prompt
asciilifeform: swiftgeek: if you want to talk to the cr50 in your unit, all you need is the simple cable in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2415 article
asciilifeform: nah , moar of a 'wumpus'
asciilifeform: i recall when it was fashionable to make 'car comp'
asciilifeform: ye olde mk61 is moar of computer. even tho poor orcistan never even invented soldermask, pcb was bare, like if i made it here in my kitchen.
asciilifeform: the calculators, bk0010 ( tiny little pdp clone ! ), etc. is a sunken atlantis. it was all forgotten almost immediately when imported pc was carted in in qty
asciilifeform: complete with reference oscillograms. if yours dies (and not infrequently, it would) you were expected to repair.
asciilifeform: compared to life with this orc box, mircea_popescu was tsar and god with his z80 . but , behold, even in 100bytes you can do things.
asciilifeform: ( legendarily, soyuz actually carried mk-52, reportedly, on board, a sort of mk-61 with i/o connector, as backup to main comp )
asciilifeform: that were in effect EXACTLY 'reactor control', but instead of sodium pump litres/sec, probability of runaway, etc. it was 'fucks per day', 'probability of VD', 'prob. of arrest', etc.
asciilifeform: one of these was 'reactor control' , with realistic constants, you had to ramp up reactor, control the rods and the sodium pump etc, object was to get max power but avoid meltdown
asciilifeform: but as the '90s marched on, the thing did not, apparently, immediately fade away and die ( troo comps remained expensive, rare, until '93-'94ish ); so folx continued to write and circulate samizdat gamez : http://lordbss.pp.ru/pmk.html
asciilifeform: here's a historical lul that mircea_popescu might find stimulating. asciilifeform ( and his brother, and a whole generation of folx ) grew up with a certain orc '100 bytes of ram, but hey it's fucking programmable' little box, http://www.alfredklomp.com/technology/mk-61 . and the Official b00k for it ( http://publ.lib.ru/ARCHIVES/G/GAYSHTUT_Aleksandr_Grigor'evich/_Gayshtut_A.G..html ) had various games (typically you had to draw on g
asciilifeform: ( the 'rma unlock' 32byte turd, is simply rng output )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a break of the rng would also do the job. ( admittedly , tall order , but listed for completeness. )
asciilifeform: one interesting observation, is that the update mechanism lets you flash in arbitrary crapola into 'rw' section ( it simply won't jump to it if it doesn't pass rsa(sha256(payload)) ) . so theoretically could put a nop sled there, ending with jump into the magic half of unlock routine. and then expose the thing to beta/gamma, and perhaps in a few months it will Do The Right Thing
asciilifeform: for completeness, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/mb_top.jpg + http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/mb_btm.jpg ( apologies for the sad photos, they came out of a flatbed, evidently not ideal tool for this job )
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the entomological pit : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AFritz-chip >> 'I've deleted most of the article. The information here is already presented in a more up-to-date fashion at Trusted Computing, which is the correct title for the technology. "Fritz-chip" was never more than a moniker used by critics of the technology put forth by Sen. Hollings. The article now represents this fact. Warrens 23:24, 29 April 2006 (
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: revisiting upstack -- i suspect that the decerebrated folx, are not aware of any such famine. google made the perfect fuffle for'em, the dildonic 'open comp' that offers 'fetish of power', go ahead and install linux etc.
asciilifeform: it is probably impossible to educate the willingly thick, however, who ~actually~ see a box with NOBUS master keys as 'moar secure than with no keys'. these, will only wake up when they're sitting in kangaroo court , and confessing to 'child porn'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-10#1822031 << phf keep in mind that the resistors gotta be, iirc, accurate within 5%. hence why i used trimpots.
asciilifeform: i can already picture, 'why complain, cr50 100% opensores!'
asciilifeform: even in usa hq, they make use of ample coolie labour
asciilifeform: ( complete with own ebuilds, etc )
asciilifeform: https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/platform/ec/+/master/chip/g/config_chip.h#139 << implies that google does not actually hold all of the privkeys
asciilifeform: far upstack, re the 'cr50' thread -- asciilifeform woke up today and realized that we can simply cut #wp track on spi rom ( naturally after filling it with e.g. uboot )
asciilifeform: but -- has width... numpad, arrows.
asciilifeform: i have one with full width and numpad. believe or not
asciilifeform: don't encourage the 'i can peddle liquishit parts that would've been spat on in china street markets decade ago , if i stamp Open on the box!' hucksters.
asciilifeform: if can find , e.g., overflow, then can have whatever payload waiting there to be jumped into.
asciilifeform: so far i did find how to disable #wp signal on the h1 ( it tracks the battery-triggered #wp ). the way updater works, it permits flashing in any old turd, and it goes in a temp slot, which only on next boot gets ecc-sigchecked
asciilifeform: same as when driven from real comp (unsurprising)
asciilifeform: however still gives eggog '127' when attempting 'usb_updater -U' i.e. 'start unlock sequence'
asciilifeform: in so far as i can tell, the thing implements plain old 'p256' ecctron
asciilifeform: it dun have a seekrit to extract, simply checks pubkey sig
asciilifeform: https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/platform/ec/+/master/board/cr50/ << for threadcompleteness -- the purported src.
asciilifeform: cuz i'm stumped
asciilifeform: stamp reads TWN , taiwan
asciilifeform: let's recall that the whole thing is an exercise in junkyard wars, i can only stomp the obvious cockroaches
asciilifeform: afaik most simply shove it into the cpu die.
asciilifeform: the impatient can read from the end, backwards.
asciilifeform: ^ complete schematic.
asciilifeform: complete with oddball bathroom sink
asciilifeform: collimate the beam simply by selecting with long, thin lead tube.
asciilifeform: ( where a raster-scanning mechanical 'pinhole' is used, and the distance of source/detector from sample, is varied )
asciilifeform: this prolly is obvious, but if one gets a hold of 1 example of the router/etc in question, you have the priv
asciilifeform: not the problem. glare from the contacts on pcb. same reason pcb is such a bitch to photograph -- needs good low light sensor, if you simply up the lamp, you nuke exposure
asciilifeform: the soldering, ditto. strictly to make 'unbrickable' test unit for the bootloader attempts.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_genesis/hunk/blog/wp-admin/includes/class-pclzip.php << 30+kloc reimplementation of pkzip
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_genesis/hunk/blog/wp-admin/includes/class-wp-filesystem-ssh2.php << check ~this~ out. attempt to reimplement... ssh
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_genesis/hunk/blog/wp-admin/includes/class-ftp-sockets.php#L23372 << lessee somebody prove this to have no false pos matches
asciilifeform: or, say, http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_genesis/hunk/blog/wp-admin/includes/class-ftp-sockets.php
asciilifeform: 'The Ultimate Tag Warrior Importer'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-06#1820837 << good % is simply rubbish, e.g. http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_genesis/hunk/blog/wp-admin/import/utw.php
asciilifeform: relatedly, mircea_popescu-was-right(tm)(r), asciilifeform's blog nao has a broken stump instead of working commentron, because google's captcha crapola finally gave up the ghost, and nao i gotta figure out how to port mircea_popescu's routine...
asciilifeform: a rockchip cluster under snsa banner , for pizarro, also under construction ( currently still in component search phase ) , construction also planned for this mo
asciilifeform: the 'web dev' nonsense where 'same code written every 6mo' is symptom of a poorly-defined problem to begin with; sorta like wound sutures that reopen
asciilifeform: again in some subfields there is a famine of solid code, in others -- not ( the payware c compiler people, microshit aside, mostly have starved, afaik )
asciilifeform: junkyard wars (e.g. trb, mp-wp) where one is stuck welding a tank from 5 zaporozhets and 3 lada carcasses, because that's what there is to work with, inevitably are heavyweight
asciilifeform: ( funnily enuff, asciilifeform has ~own~ 'mp-wp' , made from ~same vintage of wp, that does admittedly only half of what mircea_popescu's does ( i dun have the spam filtration ) )
asciilifeform: fast comp -- breeds bloat, apparently.
asciilifeform: it's a pretty spiffy, ironwise, comp. costs less than a third of what ipnoje costs, even.
asciilifeform: perhaps soon we can issue real comps to folx like this.
asciilifeform: all 4 compilers
asciilifeform: aintcha just thrilled, mircea_popescu , to be features in the credits of RespectableMainstreamPress b00k, with these luminaries, mircea_popescu !111
asciilifeform: complete with turdmeister !
asciilifeform: (200+kB of this is still standard lib, which doesn't get used for ~anything; but this is substantial improvement over past state of the art)
asciilifeform: command was ./build-ada.sh /home/stas/temp/ada-musl-cross-2018-04-30/bin > build.output 2>&1
asciilifeform: ave1: for completeness, my http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/config.sh.txt and http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/config-static.sh.txt
asciilifeform: seems like it built compilers, but didn't tar'em up
asciilifeform: ( the dir i specified as destination, is empty )
asciilifeform: but the built compilers are nowhere to be seen
asciilifeform: phf: moar likely, some combo of simply leaving to gather dust, and throwing out
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-31#1820079 << currently, simply boots ( and runs, sans networking, but userland - gcc etc. -- work, and can emerge proggies from heathenos under chroot. ) the remaining iron is expected to work once i get a patched kernel (with baked-in mods) built.
asciilifeform: in other potential finds, https://irclog.whitequark.org/linux-rockchip/2018-05-03 << d00d claims to have clean uboot for c101pa . no complete srcball posted tho, as far as i was able to find, yet
asciilifeform: on lappies you'll want a key that shows battery status, for example.
asciilifeform: know what asciilifeform won't miss at all when we dump fleanode ? how about the join/part vermin.
asciilifeform: one would have to be a complete idiot to buy 2 of the linked golden toilets ( supposing they were in fact for sale, which they dun appear to be, tho vendor site still alive and claiming )
asciilifeform: musltronic static elf does seem to contain ~something~ that varies; looks to be the right size for timestamp turd. definitely on the conveyor.
asciilifeform: tho who knows how many, after N times of dumping into and out of the crate with rusty chainsaws, wrenches, etc, still ran
asciilifeform: su op amp.
asciilifeform: ^ timis '17, for comparison.
asciilifeform: ( recall good ol' msdos dayz, back when 'reproducible bin for same src' was something you got from ANY and EVERY compiler, and wtf, how to even conceive of having this problem )
asciilifeform: ( i dun expect to see a full adult gnat ~on~ msdos; but to cross-compile a la nintendo, would satisfy this one )
asciilifeform: aa if qemu, simply give it moar ram ?
asciilifeform: at any rate, in so far as i can tell 'monero' is simply 1 of 3 or 4 tor-style honeypots for the dimwitted 'death ray plot' candidates in the shitcoin space.
asciilifeform: i find it a puzzler, what the cartoon these folx are watching inside their heads, even ~is~. (e.g. it ain't as if, say, lenin, 'accomplished' by 'normal people visiting')
asciilifeform: 'if normal people cannot visit our site we are not accomplishing our goal' etc.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: iirc he perpetrated it, not simply 'defected to'
asciilifeform: !Q later tell ave1 your newest tarball barfs : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/5FS6l/?raw=true << gmp demands a patch that can't be found, hangs with prompt
asciilifeform: and also incidentally, every rockchip box contains a complete /usr/portage/distfiles reflecting every single item present on that box ( as i emerged world prior to making master image )
asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu's pill, of limiting payload mass per shot, is prolly The Right Thing ( tho keep in mind that, given the erratic block production of typical shitfork, it will make for a quite slow and volatile dumping )
asciilifeform: they appear to. however they also insist on various idiocies, 'accounts', '2factor'-whatevers, various caltrops to attempt to prevent precisely such automation
asciilifeform: 'Fuck your world where there's no place for me, I thought in despair. If I can't destroy it, at least I'll die a fine death in the attempt, along with others like me. I had no concrete image of how this would come about, but from past experience I knew that he who seeks fate is always provided an opportunity; I would not remain without one.'
asciilifeform: 'You don't like me? You don't want to pay? It's precious little – $278 a month. You don't want to pay. Then why the fuck did you invite me, entice me here from Russia, along with a horde of Jews? Present your complaints to your own propaganda, it's too effective. That's what's emptying your pockets, not I.'
asciilifeform: folx showing symptoms of sybilism, will be shoved into sybil pen.
asciilifeform: trinque: d00d seems to suffer from some bizarre compulsion, to leave the 'am what i am' clue
asciilifeform: to properly round out the thread, keep in mind that gossip station would need ~receiver~ as well as transmitter (and obviously a comp)
asciilifeform: keep in mind ftr also that these need substantial antenna ( can be simple wire, but needs to be at least 10 metres in length, and taught )
asciilifeform: https://archive.li/yBBhM << strictly for thread-completeness, this is a typical 10W sw amp. size is approx same as 2 FUCKGOATS laid wide end to end.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i am considering here the tmsr use cases, rather than the old farts chatting about grandchildren use case (the latter already is quite well-documented, folx who are interested in it can simply rtfm)
asciilifeform: i suppose i oughta detail in the logs, in concrete example, for fyootoor ref.
asciilifeform: phf: i also considered looking for the key check thing in the stock bios and simply NOPing it out
asciilifeform: ( for the innocent -- like many american unis, um had 1 'proper' campus, and buncha ??? satellites )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-25#1818606 << phunphakt, the hieroglyph, at one time came to mean simply 'household' ( 'pig' in 'house' box )
asciilifeform: bonuslulz : 'I’d posit that any blockchain type who can’t find productive employment on socially useful projects or isn’t in danger of financial independence either doesn’t feel like working, doesn’t care about money or doesn’t actually know anything about blockchain. In the former cases you can’t recruit them, and in the latter case, you really shouldn’t.'
asciilifeform: we can leave fleanode to the worms and flies , and jump into pizzarro + mircea_popescu's box + wherever else , within a day of mircea_popescu giving signal.
asciilifeform: rrright because when asciilifeform's fab house sent back proto-FG repeatedly with poor reflow and dud analogue board, asciilifeform complains 'from certain mental structure' and not because imbeciles all the way down like turtles on elephants.
asciilifeform: i did not say 'has no clue'. but observe, 'compains re manufacture difficulty' does happen in proportion to actual involvement with own hands.
asciilifeform: to errybody else -- yes, seems so easy, why would complain
asciilifeform: hence 'only alf seriously could contemplate manufacturing difficulty'
asciilifeform: and to stamp out a plane erry 40 min
asciilifeform: conceivably this is a 'sufficiently smart compiler'(tm)(r) item.
asciilifeform: whereas 'secret ck-kpss log' presumes ~complete
asciilifeform: i usually picture 'whisperers' as , graphtheoretically, a noncomplete clique
asciilifeform: i still suspect that it would not have been winnable even if closer game ratiowise; it went almost like the smallpox-vs-indians item. orc konsoomer had no immune cells against veblenism and 200+yrs of fine chumpatronics perfected in the west
asciilifeform: this is (uncontroversially) how su brass saw the proverbial 'import jeans'
asciilifeform: the latter sounds like symptom of 'nope, not a market, but some d00d pushing it'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: maybe in moar 'western' sovblok places like ro, with the 'tehnologia navigatiei cu vele' tricks. in proper su, economy was sufficiently 'demonetarized' that nothing directly comparable afaik existed.
asciilifeform: !!up LordMPofTMSR
asciilifeform: LordMPofTMSR: getting any nontrivial proggy to build on crapple, is a herculean labour , and typically not imho worth it
asciilifeform: LordMPofTMSR: anyffing good ? casino chix ?
asciilifeform: sat dish mp ?
asciilifeform: !!up LordMPofTMSR
asciilifeform: ( see e.g. nsa 'ant-2' catalogue, for a dozen examples )
asciilifeform: can maybe skip the sophistry ? problem is emphatically not 'www site prints random numbers', but 'usg controls root of price signal hierarchy'
asciilifeform: there's a substitute that doesn't use gox temperatures for anything ?!
asciilifeform: seems to me that anyone with a bag of usd, could thermonuke the gox price-dampener scam.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: possibly they dun trust the employees to handle cash ? or aren't contracted with cash van co.
asciilifeform: ( some items obviously do not fall into any obv class of broken crapola; these have no note. but most simply have no live box at the ip in Framedragger_'s comment, by the time they popped )
asciilifeform: and response to anon login attempt.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817231 << for a n00b, i'd prefer to see a handful of his samples 1st, rather than e.g. deal with million keys submitted with same or garbled user comment string, say
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817133 << ever work with audio amps ? or with radio transmitter ? do you know what is a decibel, or why a 1000 watt radio station is only , in effect, twice as 'loud' as a 100 watt ? this applies to wage labour, 300k will not feel '10x better' than 30k.
asciilifeform: and asciilifeform suffers from the typical delusion of old people , specifically that it is somehow worthwhile to warn young folx away from obvious chumpatron bear trap.
asciilifeform: momentarily revisiting douchebag : 5yrs ago asciilifeform suffered from same fog, thought there was ( or at least could be ) such a thing as 'security company' , or 'make a living finding bugs', etc., even went and opened up a thing, with coupla other d00dz, and we had an actual working piece of tech, BUT no friends in nomenklatura, and -- quite predictably -- it ended with nothing to show but empty pockets and old faded stationary.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is one possible way to fill empty souls; and it beats , in re habitability of locale, the other stable state.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they've thrown money at the 'we still have holdout from whom we don't have samples, how to use cousins' problem.
asciilifeform: douchebag: i hold that it is impossible to sell exploits, and the NO ONE does it. what they do instead, is accept gifts of chocolate and flowers (aka 100s of k usd ) from usg agents, in exchange for keeping nsa vulns off the public forum for a few extra bonus months.
asciilifeform: douchebag: perhaps poor example, because the poor idjit persians signed up for it, by buying siemens and running winblowz. but it is illustration of the point of MINIMAL bar for 'matters'
asciilifeform: douchebag: what to you means 'owned' ? script kiddie on forum defaces crapple.com ? because this simply isn't interesting, to anyone here. the ONLY type of 'owned' worth caring about, is , e.g., natanz uranium centrifuge, destroyed by usg without firing a shot.
asciilifeform: dies of failed attempts at (a)
asciilifeform: so far, shows dangerous symptoms of the latter
asciilifeform: guess what, it also isn't what any of us do. because it's completely useless.
asciilifeform: ( i.e. at certain point, all of the working brains in the enemy camp, 'sell out to bitcoin', and what remains is buncha weirdos shouting orders impotently like the old man ceausescu )
asciilifeform: there was ample warning, starting from the orig american prohibitionists.
asciilifeform: they aren't (all) terrible at maths. simply there is a hidden term in this equation.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's complicated, for them; all of the examples i've witnessed up close, were simply running from cube hell, and absolutely did not give half a shit at what, exact , cost; and i can't really blame;em
asciilifeform: as for the zooplankton, i have yet to meet one who appears to grasp the implications of no-carding world ( 'and when my money's gone, it's gone, and i can't borrow moar, time to sell daughters ?! holyfuq' ) but watch their faces when shown bitcoin, where this is the order of things
asciilifeform: this was implicit in the 'anarchotyranny' label, which i stole from somebody or other (moldbug?) where it was described how a predator-prey equilibrium is carefully maintained by usg
asciilifeform: well for soros they'll not only not clawback but send complimentary whores and chocolate, sure.
asciilifeform: http://manualul.info/Abecedar_82/Abecedar_82.pdf << subj. ( compl. with the 'un vis' )
asciilifeform: bahaha complete with anthem and tov. c in front covers!
asciilifeform: another funny bit is that i described, in the l0gz, the simple scheme for ~identical gadget, on several occasions.
asciilifeform: from comments, mar. 28, 2018 'I purchased one and am very happy with it. While I too have the dice, it is so time consuming, and this is so much quicker and simple. I have had no issues with the unit and plan on purchasing another.'
asciilifeform: ( if you need a heavy-duty gensym, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-28#1790082 works and is easy to implement )
asciilifeform: it's a temp dir, should live for, what, a few seconds
asciilifeform: in unrelated noose, http://www.good-display.com << possibly world's slowest commercial www ( chinese parts supplier asciilifeform was trying to search catalogue of ) , it makes ~version 1~ phuctor seem fast by comparison
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1816251 << classic example of the 'frog brain' ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1816160 ) . i.e. as if we have no hands and could not use search engine, and it had to wait for him.
asciilifeform: i for one have noticed no symptoms of educability , thus far, in douchebag . but he's not my pupil, he's mircea_popescu's , when mircea_popescu has had his fill, he will throw him out .
asciilifeform: Mocky: boneh is example of a not-entirely-talentless maths d00d who , for whatever reason, joined enemy camp as a professional fifth columnist in open-publication academia , rather than nsa in-house
asciilifeform: and get breadboard, a bag of parts from a dead man's estate sale, start building simple things.
asciilifeform: unfortunately you can't build much of a comp from it, on account of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1764242
asciilifeform: the closest runner-up contender was standard ml, but it demands a ~MB-sized runtime , and imposes gc , nobody is ever stuffing it into 32kB.
asciilifeform: Mocky: it was the one item left standing when asciilifeform went methodically through list of all known prog langs , and crossed off anything that didn't : bounds-check, operate free of gc, produce compact binaries for e.g. microcontrollers, support all major cpu archs , have written standard.
asciilifeform: not so many current-day examples of this type of thing, afaik; but imho FG qualifies
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: looks like some substantial number of distinct glyphs, rather than any compositing system
asciilifeform: ( typical example : Supermicro SC216A-R900UB )
asciilifeform: was looking at '24 2.5" disks in 2U' chassis, for potentially 'tru ssd via usb3-to-sata cords' variant of rockchiptron; but seems as if all, without exception, such items ever made, feature 'sas expander', where all 24 hang off 1 plug. which is great for pc but completely destroys my notion.
asciilifeform: ( did it have hardwired exemptions for google's ip range , or wat )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for thread-completeness, my other notions in re 'for subscribers of phuctor' were , in no particular order : earlier access to new pops (after queue is ready, conceivably give subscribers day, week, etc head start ) ; ability to download generated ~privkeys~ for Fully Phuctored mods , in various formats ; full-text search ; built-in converters ( your item, but it is on the for-everybody conveyor for a while nao )
asciilifeform: meanwhile : achtung phuctor readers : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-17#1815117 is finished, transforming e.g. https://archive.li/s5G5m into https://archive.li/4kMpY , bringing us up to , funnily enuff, ~same count of factors as prior to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-17#1815114 operation.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nfs ? they dun write html for you or anything of the kind, it's simply an ultraminimal hoster thing (somewhere between vps and plain unixhosting , hard to classify into 1 of the traditional categories)
asciilifeform spent week in the company of BingoBoingo , and confirms that the most serious problem currently is morale , d00d needs some light in his pillbox
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6 : currently occupied with component search for rockchiptron
asciilifeform has wondered for long time, why china is so (apparently) impenetrable
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-17#1814661 << per ben_vulpes's published numberz, mircea_popescu is elementarily correct -- even if we do an astoundingly princely rockchiptron buildout, will still have a good half yr of runway ( at present exch rate ) remaining ( but , more importantly , something to sell ! right nao we've nuffin to sell aside from the shared unix and the 1 remaining rc )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in my tour of the ( sadly quite few ) working comp shops of BingoBoingostan , no identical or comparable unit turned up
asciilifeform: i assume 'non-adacore' implied the former ?
asciilifeform: worx for me. but ftr if ben_vulpes and mod6 succumb to temptation of equity-buying, and mircea_popescu , in turn, agrees, it will likely lead to the regrettable situation pictured earlier.
asciilifeform: i will admit however that i dun particularly like the endgame i see in this, where let's say s.nsa sponsors, produces, and sells to pizarro the iron for shares, ends up owning ~100% of pizarro, and asciilifeform doesn't see a dime of profit until ( merely for starters ) he can even afford mpex acct ( which is a major if, rather than a when, it is quite possibly that neither i nor anyone else will ever actually earn 50 btc , and this
asciilifeform: ( where to order a computation, you inject it into any particular node in the net )
asciilifeform: ( the difficulty with 'majoritator' -- or what is it even called in engl.?? -- system, is the component itself , where the n-of-m magick itself happens. it is inescapably the weak link. )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814270 << forgot to mention the largest and gnarliest component : the ethernet switch
asciilifeform: ave1: current version seems to build 1) working pc compiler 2) dynamic-turd arm64 compiler 3) pc-to-arm64 cross compiler
asciilifeform: cross compiler also not very useful imho. let the thing build a pc and an arm compiler ( and yes if it has to build cross compiler in the process, let it , but consider it to be a strictly intermediate step )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814223 << ave1 can we dispense with building the 'builds dynamic turds, so demands musl on system elsewhere' rubbish ? it is useless. let's stick to useful compiler, that works on any box with matching architecture
asciilifeform: and re time on site : i can't picture needing more than 3 days : 1 to sleep ( asciilifeform can't sleep on planes ) ; 1 to install fg and emplace the boxen into the rack ; 1 for overflow .
asciilifeform: multilayered and quite complex scamolade pie.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they get shredded not to shove'em moar compactly into rubbish bin, but because there are 'specialists' who collect'em from rubbish, fill'em out, then swipe from postbox when 'activated' card comes in, then max it, and luser finds out when wages start vanishing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 1 non-cn component ( aside from asciilifeform-crafted ironworks ) is the samsung ssd
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not being a complete idiot, asciilifeform found several independent suppliers of rc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the correct way to expose thompsonism, is to implement the compiler, and THEN to diff the bins.
asciilifeform: whereas a compiler bug can be a constellation of 9,999 conditions that must occur just-so.
asciilifeform: ( this is the kind of thing that uncovers thompsonism, say )
asciilifeform: ( the thing weighs far too much for anyone to ever audit in the sense contemplated with e.g. ffa )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: classic symptom of botched 6->5->4 gymnastics
asciilifeform: i omitted a step 5 ) put in ~/.bash_profile , the path, e.g. PATH="/home/foo/temp/ada/ada-musl-cross-2018-05-15/bin/x86_64-linux-musl/bin/:$PATH"; export PATH
asciilifeform: diana_coman: steps to replicate: 0) on a machine WITH A WORKING GNAT (e.g. adacore's , and it must be in your path already ) 1 ) download the tarball from http://ave1.org/2018/building-gnat-on-musl-now-with-partial-and-parallel-build-support 2) unpack tarball ada-musl-cross-2018-05-15.tgz , go to the dir 3) mkdir bin << this is where the built binariola will live 4) ./build-ada.sh /home/foo/temp/ada/ada-musl-cross-2018-05-15/bin
asciilifeform: aaaaaaaand ave1 diana_coman mircea_popescu it built compiler ( ' Native compiler prefix built by musl-cross aarch64-linux-musl-native ' )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: apparently not ~completely~ gone away: https://archive.li/Byweq << in the 'stipendi peccatus mors est' files
asciilifeform: seems to be a long-lived chumpatron, like ethertardium
asciilifeform: ( per the letter of the law, iirc they're all 100% guilty , there is not an official 'common carrier' exemption for'em or anyone without Note From Hitler )
asciilifeform: apparently usg simply luvvvvvs old, worn out stoolies, gives'em... pensions
asciilifeform: this is why asciilifeform has serious headache , re the heathen component -- currently i've nfi how to appeal to them in any way at all
asciilifeform: ( heathens virtually always insist on 'private' comm, and have to be beaten with a stick to even contemplate sane conversation )
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's particular concern , is , in short form : right now we have the ~physical~ component of the item we wanted for yrs , a l1-operated locking-cage isp. but not ~economic~ component, because l1 does not presently add up to sufficient custom to power the thing 100% . so it needs heathen power. but this must be achieved without compromising on the 'l1 isp' .
asciilifeform: also worth to keep in mind, that, e.g., asciilifeform is willing to jump through certain flaming rings for 50% stake, that he would not so eagerly jump through for 1%
asciilifeform: it wouldn't even bother me if it were a js hack, along the lines of my http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-05#1809743 example
asciilifeform: ( the ru translation is pretty much 1:1, and prolly likewise the ro, and the contemporary de transl ditto )
asciilifeform: ( it is pretty great b00k, all around, and quite 'liberal' even, contrary to what the derps in amerischool 'teach' about it -- forbade trials by ordeal, imposed procedure , proclaimed heretical some of the moar odd claims popular at the time re subj )
asciilifeform at one time lived in a house with an aquarium; on several occasion the fish -- jumped out. perhaps this is it.
asciilifeform: i suppose if you're mircea_popescu , you can describe the problem of folx for whom bank acct being zeroed, blacklisting from employment, declared outlaw, as 'imaginary'.
asciilifeform: ( every so often, you see zeks who 'i'ma build anyway'; recall recent case, john carmack, and his ocular thing. built company , popular gadget, then the patent trolls show up; now they own it. )
asciilifeform: the other nitpick is with http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-09#1640940 , but iirc i registered objection at the time ( 'gnu' was nowhere even in sight when the events in question took place, the mushroom's 'i will reimplement IT ALL!' was a flowered-up recollection of his employment at lmi, one of the 3 mit licensee corps )
asciilifeform: it is possible to build some things 'in spare time, out of belly button lint', e.g. 1970s microcomps. it was NOT possible to build lispm 'out of lint'.
asciilifeform: which, like complete idiot, i assumed means that it will go to postbox like normal package in normal country
asciilifeform: it has motherfucking PREPAID import tax
asciilifeform: of course , by this logic nobody would ever go to war, but would instead sit and comparatively count ammo...
asciilifeform: it is not much of a mystery, what was planned there. complete with specific references to 'like the indians'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm still waiting to run across the kundera, solzhenitsyn, or the like, whose work shows any symptoms of grasping that 1) 'free world' was a cheap scam 2) switching moscow whip for washington whip won't improve anything 3) the uppity orcs will lose whatever sovereignty, industrial civ level, etc. they have under sov colonization, when (2) happens , and remain sad and dependent
asciilifeform: ^ pretty lulzy prehistory -- usg is burning the vuln in the most traditional way, complete with 'responsible disclosure'ism and a boeck-style 'researcher' ; nao spinning in every propaganda organ in unison as 'pgp broken!'
asciilifeform: For the first, it is to be said that witches are not generally rich for this reason: that the devils like to show their contempt for the Creator by buying witches for the lowest possible price.'
asciilifeform: i suspect (but cannot prove) that there is at least a trace of underlying thought of 'so suppose he's telling the truth. nao wat? throw away mit diploma? eat pistol? eat from dumpsters?'
asciilifeform: the same folx will do mountain of work to, e.g., build 'rust' compiler or other heathen nonsense. but unsurprisingly won't lift a finger to look through terrorist telescope and , heavens forbid, see an extra moon where mother church proclaimed, Officially, there be none
asciilifeform: completely ? as in, it does 0 ?
asciilifeform: the demise of the horse, i suspect, seemed equally improbable.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1812888 << tools that ~don'twork , end up unimportant, as they are 'routed around'
asciilifeform: there's an aesthetic component to the habit, in addition to the merely pharmacological.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1812854 << afaik the use of distilled thc 'tar' is comparatively unpopular, vs the raw leaf. sorta like distilled nicotine has not replaced traditional tobacco.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1812870 << continuing with this, observe that obtaining alcohol is considerably simpler than prime pig or even 'californirast grade' pot ; and yet there is such a thing as a 200 $ bottle of whiskey
asciilifeform: if it was q3 or 4 of 2016, or later -- ~impossible to restore sane gcc
asciilifeform not expert in subj. but! will leave https://archive.li/8NEUh for the truly lulzcurious, describes lulincident during design , when pure gold (!) bolts were added, in nearly last minute, to homogenize density of the 'implosive' core
asciilifeform: ( the orig pics are almost certainly in archive somewhere, and simply not printed )
asciilifeform: '...Stupid people organize and through collective action arrive at "consensus", which is batshit nonsense filtered by idiots out of their own ass, entirely unrelated to any kind of reality. And then they attempt to force it upon the actual people... It's not annoying because it works, which of fucking course it doesn't, but because the only way to deal with them is to exploit the fact that they're so fucking stupid, they can't tell t
asciilifeform: there ~are~ plenty of folx who walk, talk, even pretend to do work (in cafe, somewhere, or holding stop signs, or whichever) while earnestly believing in 'equalism', 'abolish ranks', etc. ~but~ these won't become even city dogcatcher, much less fuhrer, simply too much brain damage required, it gets in the way
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in late-gosplan days also had competition. ( life is a bit moar complicated than the cartoon su )
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: astronomical rents, i suspect, also play a part. it is ~impossible to stay open if you stock anything that doesn't move continuously. specialist shops are the first to die.
asciilifeform: ( incidentally, if you think m3 ~screw~ is impossible to find in shops here -- try a ~tap~. one time asciilifeform broke a m3 tap and wanted a replacement quickly, and like complete idiot tried to buy ~in shops~. result : wasted weekend )
asciilifeform: 'The "electrum dot com" scheme is taking that attack further: the scammers have managed to take control of the dot com domain, and they have developed a website with a slightly different design and logo. The authors have been claiming that they are developing a legitimate fork of the Electrum project, and that they are trying to improve user experience. The owners of "electrum dot com" went as far as to claim that they are "currently
asciilifeform: in other lullies, https://archive.li/1QxgC >> 'Decompiling the ElectrumPro stealware'
asciilifeform: *emplaced
asciilifeform: ( ftr asciilifeform suspects that 'debianized' primes are sometimes emplace by ~current-day~ proggies; the debianization is 'deniable cover' of the exact kind usg luvvvs like delish candy )
asciilifeform: latest : stanford campus
asciilifeform: in related noose, today's phuctor www l0gz include campus of microshit, arsebook, etc; prolly already on conveyor for 'consensus farm'