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ben_vulpes: what do you want to see next time?
ben_vulpes: nuffin.
ben_vulpes: and before you ask for logs from the wedged box -- it simply stopped writing logs. damndest thing.
ben_vulpes: the new box has been syncing unstoppedly since
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: one interesting hiccup was that when i synced in vanilla "connect to wide net" mode, this new node somehow got stuck and also i think triggered some weirdo crash/wedge on another machine of mine with a raid array of rust that had until that moment been hanging at the tip of the spear, but when run with -connect to the self-same (restarted) node a) the rust caught back up within an hour and b)
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: if yr hospitality extends to me i'd love to stop in
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: gonna ship another box with the timing patch from aeons ago, sync to completion and then post
ben_vulpes: phf: well i'm flexible yet, gpg me some dates and i'll ensure to have time to say hello
ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, one of the boxes flying with me has synced with my max aggression patch atop asciilifeform's aggressive pushgetblocks has climbed to 308K in 4 days
ben_vulpes: oh and please to have machines at my domicile by the end of the month.
ben_vulpes: nothing stopping me at that other than time though
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: currently estimating 3-6u, nothing nutty
ben_vulpes: so anyone who can't get materiel to phf by takeoff may talk to me about hauling machines down south. i expect folks to cover freight, pitch in on the trip costs, and guarantee reimbursement for VAT/IVA should it be levied at the airport.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: aha, specifics not nailed down yet
ben_vulpes: ive my hands full with servers por el bbisp but once i'm done and they're packed up i'll run the tests in ch9 but must cop at this moment to not being caught up with the series at all yet
ben_vulpes: lordy boiling frustration in ch9, diana_coman
ben_vulpes: every second in the water is a fight to stay at the surface
ben_vulpes: no notrly, /me suffers from lobbes-style sinkism
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: was watching from beyond the break?
ben_vulpes knows, but only from videos
ben_vulpes: oh man, i would really like to learn to surf
ben_vulpes: right right, that
ben_vulpes: a beer in the car!
ben_vulpes: of the esl set that is
ben_vulpes: heh i dunno that i've ever heard a couth name for the practice tbh; or any person who'd call themselves couth engaging in it
ben_vulpes: zero likelihood of interdiction with a polite babe at the wheel.
ben_vulpes: but it's great for rolling with road sodas
ben_vulpes: hahaha i fuckin know it's charming
ben_vulpes: girl is just not going to rev my shit past 4500, you know?
ben_vulpes: much like the honda babywagon i've allocated vs the three f1 engines a team's allowed in a season
ben_vulpes: points on a continuum from where i sit
ben_vulpes: this ftr is what galls me about ssds; the accelerated deterioration rate.
ben_vulpes: make 'em someone else's problem, and pay for the convenience.
ben_vulpes: heh yeah i think trinque and i have pretty similar attitudes towards how to treat machines you're going to run hard
ben_vulpes: not trying to cut you down TomServo
ben_vulpes: TomServo: i personally run machines for longevity, but i can see why mircea_popescu and BingoBoingo would want to run their lowendboxen hot and cram as much into 'em as possible.
ben_vulpes: what, they heat up, crack their pcbs, shut down. run your fans, this won't be a problem.
ben_vulpes: i ain't justifying shit, i'm saying that i'm not concerned about the health of the rack from a few hot boxes.
ben_vulpes: but in theory, if you want to wank over the thermofluids
ben_vulpes: well, no, we're talking like sub-1% contribution to overall cooling
ben_vulpes: thereby actually improving cooling conditions
ben_vulpes: if we don't neglect it, i'd expect entrained flow in the same direction as the convective cooling flux, eg from front of rack to back
ben_vulpes: air currents within the DC might actually ruin this, but for the sake of the gedankenexperiment, let's neglect those for now
ben_vulpes: that argon between them doesn't move; the viscosity of the gas keeps it locked in place and it acts as a superior insulator to the glass.
ben_vulpes: right, which is why your double-paned windows are so much better of an insulator
ben_vulpes: heaven help us if the machine bodies actually drive a) because someone isn't cooling adequately, and if the gap is sufficiently small (as anyone with dc experience can attest) we'll probably have "stagnation" conditions, where the air is not actually circulating between the machines
ben_vulpes: the concern is convective heat transfer between servers. for that to happen there must be a) great enough gradient of heat between the machines and b) enough space between machines for air currents to get moving
ben_vulpes: since we're doing thermofluids tonight...
ben_vulpes: i've never racked machines that squealed on insert, you?
ben_vulpes: it's not actual box-to-box conductive contact
ben_vulpes: intel calls that an "unplanned restart" these days lol
ben_vulpes: and heaven help the person who lets their box get hot enough to transfer heat radiantly
ben_vulpes: moreover it'd be what, mostly radiant with a bit of conductive through the air gap between servers, which can probably be approximated as stagnant and a good insulator
ben_vulpes: i know but if the convective flux is adequate there really shouldn't be that much heat conducted from machine to machine
ben_vulpes: cooked, yes, but you hoover from the aisle in the front and dump into the aisle in the back. so long as everyone's dumping out the back, nobody should be sucking exhaust gases.
ben_vulpes: in other criminal organization news, even the locals are getting in on it http://www.wbtv.com/story/37442000/source-davidson-county-deputy-arrested-after-bank-robbery-in-rockwell
ben_vulpes: also i like rockets
ben_vulpes impressed with today's musklaunch
ben_vulpes: ah ah
ben_vulpes: where does that 5.90 come from?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: why are you not rolling VAT into this pricing scheme?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: get a read on how they calculate tax for items in opened envelopes yet?
ben_vulpes: hah mircea_popescu did break the messages table!
ben_vulpes: real stuff is expensive, nyooz at ereven
ben_vulpes: "also used in bulletin boards" https://www.mcmaster.com/#cork/=1bfwidd
ben_vulpes: there's also mcmaster carr
ben_vulpes: may be so
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: broke the messages table!
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: good point
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781252 << this is precisely what i fixed, didja look at how it works now before bitching?
ben_vulpes: yeah, artifact of the link being to .#<anchor>
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781250 << would be a shame to waste a whole page on 2 lines, as happens from time to time, but i can see the argument, esp in re how the monthcollapse hides dates
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781237 << perhaps the 'prev' link showing 2017-12-31 is too subtle
ben_vulpes: i want to do something to surface the dates of conversations, also the "next" button on the monthly view lets one page forward into infinity, but i'm going to let it sit for now
ben_vulpes: ohai trinque
ben_vulpes: hey if one can throw a hissy fit and get into a brooklyn pub with it, surely untied will fall into line as well, right RIGHT?
ben_vulpes: you haven't noticed that bitcoin isn't the toplevel topic here more often than not?
ben_vulpes: hey, you don't talk much the name didn't stick
ben_vulpes: what brings you by
ben_vulpes: !!up Techman
ben_vulpes: i assumed that his "to claim my" was in response to "but waii"
ben_vulpes: how does elgamel and dsa have anything to do with that comment?
ben_vulpes: trinque: shit has gotten intolerably shrill. "vehicular homicide!"
ben_vulpes: i emerged @world three times and started working through hanon's piano exercises!
ben_vulpes: totally not a relabeled IE
ben_vulpes: trinque: you said you had to go gcc 6 -> 5 -> 4, right?
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-03#1780744 << "Mr. Pierce walked around the tree and said prayers for Puertopia, holding a rusted wrench he had picked up in the territory. He kissed an old man's feet. He blessed a crystal in the water, as they all watched. He played the Chaplin speech to everyone and to the tree, Mr. Nygard said."
ben_vulpes: guy delivering servers today wanted to know what i was doing with em; "well let's see, install some software and then rack 'em in a datacenter, what else does one do with servers?" "no but like are you mining bro?" "haha funny. don't you have something for me to sign?"
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: demise of unix os is a thing to rattle swords pon bucklers 'bout
ben_vulpes stomps floor, pounds table
ben_vulpes: no, i have viral load and it's in my everything
ben_vulpes: oi oi oi
ben_vulpes: fuck i can't use this keyboard wtf
ben_vulpes: anyways phf oi
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: throw 'em on gurneys in la aeropuerto?
ben_vulpes: phf: you have rackcrate? get from asciilifeform ?
ben_vulpes: the time for talmudry is nigh!
ben_vulpes: sure absolutely
ben_vulpes: would be pleased to, actually
ben_vulpes: i live in possibly one of the worst places to travel from, but i've got two servers for the foundation sitting on my office floor i gotta get down there as well, so if asciilifeform's rotrip delay is that much sand in the gears i can make the run to uruguay
ben_vulpes: ah how i've missed thee
ben_vulpes: wb qntra!
ben_vulpes: yeah maybe, but the lols are accruing so very slowly
ben_vulpes: aha but now with the further attempts to get into various fiatistan saas providers
ben_vulpes: mildly amused, but that's about the extent of it.
ben_vulpes: not enjoying in the slightest no, thank you for asking
ben_vulpes: mysterious mysteries!
ben_vulpes: or hm i guess the nick i picked was bv_is_a_scammer
ben_vulpes: link from the tranny pieces
ben_vulpes: lol aw, wish i'd seen that
ben_vulpes: sooo, capetown to run out of water early april http://wtkr.com/2018/01/25/in-less-than-3-months-a-major-international-city-will-likely-run-out-of-water/ and so "unwashed hair is now a sign of social responsibility"
ben_vulpes: doubtful, all the girls out here spend all day on twitter triggering themselves.
ben_vulpes: hey it was a nice one!!1 "don't laugh, it's paid in full" or whatever that bumper sticker says
ben_vulpes: few, but how many princelings are now running around. the nissans are saved for the poorest, who don't even get into nyu.
ben_vulpes: running over our children, etc
ben_vulpes: certainly, golden age of individual prince has long since passed, but the sheer number of them running around are such that they even raise the hackles of normally entirely diversity++ towns like portland, with the all-reflective nissans etc
ben_vulpes: mp_en_viaje: well they didn't offset the costs of eleventy thousand princelings while the spigots were open...
ben_vulpes: likely a large factor in this "corruption" witchhunt even "omfg blew trillions trying to put the us shale market out of biz, need to recoup from somewhere"
ben_vulpes: yup, they blinked
ben_vulpes: also US shale producers "walking and chewing gum" at the same time; many squeezed operations down into productivity despite opec production increase and still managed to borrow and open up more reserves
ben_vulpes: 8.6 was peak macos in my book
ben_vulpes: awwww
ben_vulpes: gonna be the death of phil, that will be
ben_vulpes misread as xemen
ben_vulpes: how the fuck are uruguayan bordermeat going to price an xserve anyways
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: is the 22% actually "we have declared the value of this thing to be $maxint, and now pay $maxint * .22 or never see your gear again"?
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-27#1777455 << great exercise, actually. type in each chapter's version of ffa
ben_vulpes zoidbergs
ben_vulpes: obviously is going to be slow, but mimi has zero trouble keeping up with the tip-o-the-chain since applying your patch
ben_vulpes: works just fine with striped raid
ben_vulpes: !~ticker --market all
ben_vulpes: aaaand at the intersection of pantsuit and me too streets: http://archive.is/xKXxl
ben_vulpes: it is a matter of taste. would you rather read python or perl?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform's elaborates the fundamentals, mod6 has polished his to handle a bunch of edge cases.
ben_vulpes: one what
ben_vulpes: douchebag: press a trb with non-"release" patches so's you understand usage, ideally sync the binary if you can afford the hardware. then, write your own v, test it, and bring it back for review.
ben_vulpes: douchebag: do yr marching orders make sense?
ben_vulpes: guidance and beatins can be hard to distinguish at twenty feet when kiddo's reaching for the stove
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: let the kid speak for himself, eh?
ben_vulpes: still curious in re what this hypothetical webapp would do
ben_vulpes: douchebag: mod6 has a point, consider pressing a trb and syncing it douchebag
ben_vulpes: douchebag: howabout you tell me what this "it's own web application" is going to do
ben_vulpes: douchebag: surely you're not thinking of something that would eat a mess of patches and sigs and vomit forth a press, are you?
ben_vulpes: i'm curious, not casting aspersions
ben_vulpes: wutwutwut? a vtron webapp?
ben_vulpes: gonna post on medium or what?
ben_vulpes: i'll certainly read it
ben_vulpes: douchebag: so demonstrate it, yeah? talk is cheap.
ben_vulpes: douchebag: ty, fixed
ben_vulpes: oh i get it
ben_vulpes is reminded of the doctorow pulp, "human readable"
ben_vulpes: douchebag: so someone sends someone else a link with ?q=<script="diddledepageforme">, and unsuspecting b copies, pastes, reads everything but the url bar?
ben_vulpes: douchebag: how does what you found get leveraged into 'fake irc logs'?
ben_vulpes: douchebag: how does this allow a user to create fake logs?
ben_vulpes: it was right on time if you look at when he got voice
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-25#1776478 << in the "journal of negative results", china thing went ~nowhere, i had some 6-7 notional meatsacks try to use irc, one managed to reg a key and then fell off the map; now waiting for bisp to come online to host on republican terms
ben_vulpes: "dump trucks of money every two weeks" is how i heard it described one time.
ben_vulpes: didja at least keep the options in the divorce?
ben_vulpes: makes for a neat delineation between patches baked in an angry stew and those selfsame patches read in the cold light of morning and possibly even reground by others as "this works, and i propose it for inclusion in the trunk"
ben_vulpes: trinque: conservative "this works"
ben_vulpes: that the world promises to deliver me a regrinding nightmare out of stitching together ten patches that all descend from the release patch
ben_vulpes: i'd rather have people chose which node on which to base their patches themselves, based on their own judgement of the quality of the priors, otherwise there's a new axis of promisetronix in play
ben_vulpes: suresure. what even means "a release" though, in a world where each patch now touches the changelog file. that eg ben_vulpes produces a patch that *only* touches the changelog, saying "the foundation makes of this link in the chain a checkpoint"?
ben_vulpes: yes, i do.
ben_vulpes: more of a tumor hanging off the infant's face, but yeah
ben_vulpes: given the evolution of 'v', and that the act of pressing is a private, intimate one, does "current trb's behavior" make much sense anymore?
ben_vulpes: was a pretty neatly surgical fix, i gotta say
ben_vulpes: did it also crap out hanbot's .orig files?
ben_vulpes: mod6: magic strings in the b64!
ben_vulpes: they both worked this time, marvel of marvels
ben_vulpes: sometimes they even work!
ben_vulpes: myes?
ben_vulpes: well i'm terribly outta shape, will spell theses out better
ben_vulpes: why stop in the womb is what i'm driving at
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: fixed ty
ben_vulpes: it's not a ch post without a broken link
ben_vulpes: hola mats
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-24#1775106 << it is an emacs spittoon-strand of some age
ben_vulpes: phf: i too have reproduced your vdiff fix for the too many open files, log is at http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NQg1z/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: i have never seen this wonder myself
ben_vulpes: hanbot: pressing into an empty dir?
ben_vulpes: i suppose.
ben_vulpes: a genesis is just a vpatch against the null codebase, results in pure additions and antecedents of false throughout.
ben_vulpes: hanbot: what's it missing, iyo?
ben_vulpes: !#s faffing about
ben_vulpes: he is also in my koch-rsa l1, what of it?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: that is correct
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: patient?
ben_vulpes: oh, the other nick
ben_vulpes: "faster than geological"
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: is teh supernoad
ben_vulpes: this is giving me a headache
ben_vulpes: i am clearly witless
ben_vulpes: shinohai: switch from eth to proof of stake? that's...not parsing over here
ben_vulpes: dylsexia, lol
ben_vulpes: it's always lupus
ben_vulpes: i don't see this actually forcing you to maintain and update the content either
ben_vulpes: RagnarDanneskjol: ?
ben_vulpes: i have a vague memory of his pushing some kid to do it?
ben_vulpes: !!up RagnarDanneskjol i don't need anything, wrapping up a tiny mystery
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774416 << email came back, claiming to be from RagnarDanneskjol but "away from my key" so how'm i to know...
ben_vulpes: he's...it
ben_vulpes: list?
ben_vulpes: sounds like mircea_popescu had a good afternoon
ben_vulpes: live in the ghetto, scrape pennies to buy btc. zillion times better than investing in the stock market bezzle or any of the other mad 401k/roth lockup chumpatrons
ben_vulpes: but precisely that with drop-in webforms and recurring payments and all sorts of tools for people who can't make their own
ben_vulpes: don't-call-it-a-credit-card-gateway
ben_vulpes: prepare for the lost decade of alts
ben_vulpes: > Despite this, we remain very optimistic about cryptocurrencies overall
ben_vulpes: stripe dropping bitcoin support
ben_vulpes: "oh they like to cozy up to it and pretend to be business people. some even haul the cash register over too!"
ben_vulpes: "pardon me, but what on earth do you have the toddlers using /that/ for?"
ben_vulpes: relatedly, i discovered a computer in a 2.5y preschool classroom this am
ben_vulpes: aha :P
ben_vulpes: "127.0.0.1"!
ben_vulpes: ours mostly
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774783 << "org mode", i haven't found else with which to htmlize coad
ben_vulpes: whoa megalog
ben_vulpes: yw lobbes, glad it was useful for you
ben_vulpes: silly-con valley darling
ben_vulpes: pre-expense profits of 10MM, generously
ben_vulpes: i woulda expected you to be able to sniff order-of-magnitude difference in plagiaristic works; swoopy css ain't cheap
ben_vulpes: yes well that latter bit is a grand self-crit
ben_vulpes: cardanocoin demands what, at least a half a galweegian for two quarters, with the corp markup that's a hundred k at least
ben_vulpes: this spamola, yes, ~0
ben_vulpes: research-first academics behind cardano demand turkeybuxx
ben_vulpes: this is vastly lower dough scammatronics than cardanocoin
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