asciilifeform: rather than computers
asciilifeform: partly because perl proggies tend to be 'throw-aways' and absolve the author of the burden of actually carrying anything through to completion or (horror) supporting
asciilifeform: seems like we've achieved a great many of these, in the computer...
asciilifeform: as per l. lamport's essay
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pretty sure the example you cited is immunological
asciilifeform: ea how far into the process you got or how much of an incomplete task was actually performed. in my view, serious programmers don't deal with tools that _force_ them to hope everything works.' -- herr naggum who else
asciilifeform: (will note, for completeness, that this won't fly on, e.g., embedded chip with 32kB. but most of the usual suspects aren't stuck on one such)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: concept alluded to was 'fits in head.' i suppose this is a good time and place to note that it can be accomplished in three basic ways: a) small system b) big head c) powerful hydraulic press
asciilifeform: the vacuum pumps (all stages) appeared to be built into the cabinet, however.
asciilifeform: (if computing is any guide of the quantity and sheer vomitrous power of fecalia people can be persuaded to swallow)
asciilifeform: (their local version of nsa is so impoverished that '80s-grade castrato keys must be used. the only way to achieve this is custom winblows code, rather than microshit's normal crypto api even. hence activex/exploder mandate.)
asciilifeform: http://senseis.xmp.net/?JaniceKim << i think this
asciilifeform: said: 'you should have attempted them'
ascii_panama: it isn't simply about this particular instance of resistance though
ascii_panama: these differences are not unimportant.
ascii_launchpad: (from when it was mostly clear, to dijkstra et al that -this- would come, to, well, when the symptoms became impossible to ignore for anyone half awake)
ascii_launchpad: because it is not physically possible to breed and teach needleworkers fast enough to keep up with a complexity collapse.
ascii_launchpad: 'artist' was going for 'look&feel' compat
ascii_launchpad: 'To build Apache Bigtop, you apparently first have to install puppet3. Let it download magic data from the internet. Then it tries to run sudo puppet to enable the NSA backdoors (for example, it will download and install an outdated precompiled JDK, because it considers you too stupid to install Java.) And then hope the gradle build doesn't throw a 200 line useless backtrace.' << when do we set the biodiesel boilers
ascii_launchpad: 'Consider for example Hadoop. Nobody seems to know how to build Hadoop from scratch.' << no one knows how to recreate a turd 'from scratch' either. though, there was this one 'art installation' fella who tried. had whole synthetic digestion apparatus, looked sorta like a small pharma pilot plant
ascii_lander: ben_vulpes this especially is written for you ^ compadre.
ascii_lander: but important to keep a handle on the picture.
ascii_lander: properly speaking, most of it is a ruin as it is. simply, an inhabited one.
ascii_lander: but scarcely anywhere else among the camps
ascii_lander: ones not 'permissible' - are, to date, impregnable
ascii_lander: !s dumplings
ascii_lander: i would like the ability to shoot them, for example, at any age
ascii_lander: that wall would still be standing if there weren't a 'pepsi' competing reich to poke at it
ascii_lander: it wasn't a public impalement in the proper eurasian tradition
ascii_lander: and that attempting them elsewhere may disappoint, like trying to create doped diamond semiconductor in edison's lab
ascii_lander: williamdunne: pot shots at the police are not compatible with glass-house civilization.
ascii_lander: williamdunne: … if they think they will be met with a chestful of lead they are going to want a little more compensation for doing their job.. << this is part of the process of how we got the 'no-knock warrant.' the next step is, of course, the 'shoot-first' warrant.
ascii_lander: ben_vulpes: 'lazy' is not quite the word. imagine you grew up without ever interacting with cars in any way other than jumping out from under the wheels of a speeding semi every other day.
ascii_lander: ben_vulpes: only pointing out that i, for example, would rather eat nagant than raise offspring
ascii_lander: mircea_popescu: the one where women in differing parts of cycle were attracted to proximate histocompatibility-pattern males (prefers 'related' during pregnancy) and distant mhc. during ovulation (prefers 'unrelated' to avoid recessive zap)
ascii_lander contemplates the tech level of the junk stores. grew up an orc, yes, but i never touched a fucking gramophone
ascii_lander sat for a while in the tango place after mircea_popescu and hanbot went home, and reread favourite parts in ben_vulpes's copy of 'asylum', and contemplated lessons thereof
ascii_lander: best computerz.
ascii_lander: mircea_popescu: whatchatalkingabout, works great. just like the 'noncomputers' running my knives, forks, shoes work great.
ascii_lander: *simply
ascii_lander: cheapest infanticide is simpy: not making'em in the first place
ascii_lander: hence the importance, to the buggers, of nailing down 'no, you don't get to examine or change the fw'
ascii_lander: implications would make for a good yarn
ascii_lander: jurov: that thing is a ru example of the kind of 'public health' idiocy piece often found in usa papers
ascii_lander: 'in the past year we encountered a phenomenon where a well-known synthetic dope was augmented with a new radical, a fluoride group, and the dope acquired the qualities of a chemical warfare compound, which caused an epidemic of deaths (in ru.), said ivanov.'
ascii_lander: did we ever do 'programmer does what prgmogres can, feats quite impossible for man...
ascii_lander witnessed the unheard-of and seemingly impossible, right next to $hotel - a female scrap-hunter
ascii_lander: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1104215 << this is absolutely the complete theory. the thing was garbage, but the only extant illustration of the concept permitted in usaschwitz (possibly for that reason)
ascii_lander: who build the computer you are sitting on? gods?
ascii_lander: and implications thereof
ascii_on_tour: i only even took cab because happily waltzed into opposite compass direction from what was given
ascii_bolivia: specially saved for such occasions, apple box, with contempt
ascii_bolivia: i am almost disappointed at the lack of 'massage' in the airport - even brought special computer, holding no secrets, expecting it to be imaged at the conveyor
ascii_modem: there are 'places' to which usg - while exists as such - simply will -not- go, and where the question can only be re: -which- specific set of sophistries will be made use of to avoid going there
ascii_field: you know, the computer mircea_popescu uses
ascii_field: lobbes: the context is important here
ascii_field: 'The former security director "was 'obsessed' with root kits, a type of computer program that can be installed quickly, set to do just about anything, and then self-destruct without a trace," prosecutors wrote. They went on to say a witness would testify at trial that Tipton told him before December 2010 that he had a self-destructing rootkit.' << 'hands off the specialist toolz, plebe'
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: but to answer question, my meatspace idiocy filter is simply not as strong as the conceptual one. to ask 'why' is like asking why my legs are not as long as mircea_popescu's
ascii_field: <mircea_popescu> and YET you protest the hyena << so i had a quiet and physically clean upbringing. this is who i am. i get that it gives me a short life expectancy, yes. but jumping from cliffs doesn't grow wings, no.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: implies a woman-generator that will produce replacement
asciilifeform: to comprehend what nubbins` meant.
asciilifeform: did i misunderstand the implication
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the long-term question is 'can i do something with it and continue to eat.' if fiat world turns sufficiently hostile, the answer, simply based on my pre-existing work here, may be a 'no.'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: because nubbins` has this incomplete thread with me, re: 'you too can learn to be me'
asciilifeform: much less really contemplated factories
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i haven't even envisioned solution to the problem of escaping the event horizon of the black hole resulting from the idiot's implosion
asciilifeform: and cannot be compared to closed system
asciilifeform: they are supplied externally by mega-empire(s)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the fact is, not everyone has the biography, talents, and education of a self-funding deep-cover operative; and physical sovereignty has its uses. it would not take very many 'don dunphy'ings to make #b-a very empty other than for mircea_popescu..
asciilifeform: (yes, aware that we had the 'semiconductor cuckoldry' discussion. it is nonsense if you are contemplating making something genuinely unique)
asciilifeform: example - semiconductor plant
asciilifeform: the fella i'm renting from now, lives on opposite end of continent, and never comes here. he will only bill for holes etc. if next tenant complains about them
asciilifeform: decimation: very easy, actually, but most contracts around here demand that you give 'improvements' to the landlord for free
asciilifeform: i cannot personally jump with that particular parachute from any kind of meaningful height
asciilifeform: when using serious crypto, i employ only rng constructed personally
asciilifeform: mentioned that 'computers were stolen, no sign of break-in, perhaps insider'
asciilifeform: the house across from mine, was emptied by burglars last night.
asciilifeform: which attempts to extract energy from nothing
asciilifeform: felipelalli: you are labouring under the presumption that the ultimate arbiter of truth is that piece of paper
asciilifeform: felipelalli: one not-inaccurate way to think about 'cipherpunkian' systems such as bitcoin or wot is as attempts to emulate a kind of incorruptible god
asciilifeform: you complain to $official. he says 'fuck you'
asciilifeform: 3) was to be the massive uptake by miscreant chumps, 4 - ???, and 5 - the proverbial 'profit!!11!!'
ascii_field: ^ and yes this doesn't exist because it is not physically possible to implement it as a hard guarantee (why is an exercise for the reader)
ascii_field: it is mostly worthless as presently implemented
ascii_field: funkenstein_> for example, i could check your pubkey and send you coin << you can do that now. create addr, fill it, send over proper pgp
ascii_field will one day complete his mars lander and see alive what 'rich people do'
ascii_field: http://www.linear.com/solutions/5153 << further examples from that vendor. there are others, and it is entirely possible to achieve the effect with discrete components
ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu re: parasitronic thread: http://www.linear.com/solutions/1218 << example
asciilifeform: ru empire was governed this way, since at least peter 1
asciilifeform: decimation: there is a popular anecdote where stalin is said to have visited his elderly mother, who tried to comprehend what he does 'for a living'
asciilifeform: by and large the pretence was an elaborate and - to the amateur, scarcely-comprehensible - mega-kabuki
asciilifeform: chumps had something to pawn, imagine!
asciilifeform: (how is chump supposed to borrow $xxxxxx to fund chumpup if not by pawning house)
asciilifeform: even if this, if chump cashes in his house, usg can seize
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> guy declared "golden helicopter" << i bet savages do believe that an airplane flies on account of some compact talisman contained therein
asciilifeform: but incomplete picture.
asciilifeform: as in, gadget that directly links two machines over simple radio
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have a largely complete design for this and 5 other similar items, will confess.
asciilifeform: (for one thing, it is unclear who, precisely owns them, and the contract for their emplacement - iirc - was perpetual, somehow)
asciilifeform: ~50MHz 32-bit (oddball architecture) cpu, tcp/ip implemented in hardware, can address via spi (as in sd card) external eeprom.
asciilifeform: complete with 3d films
asciilifeform: which muppet wrote what - is approximately as interesting, imho, as which nigerian spammer penned which particular spam template.
asciilifeform always feels temptation to snip a letter, 'pubic intellectual'
asciilifeform: everything else re: whores may as well be at nsa in the vaults, as far as my incomplete education is concerned.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where i live, at least to the 'street computer shop' level of apprehension, a whore is an abject and usually physically revolting creature who fellates what may well be gorillas for a hit of 'crack'
asciilifeform: so, much as 'software' to naggum et al means something quite other than what it means to the schmuck who goes to the 'computer shop' to buy antivirus etc.;
asciilifeform: http://www.megasword.ru/index.php?pg=815 << original, afaik, example of the principle.
asciilifeform: sorta like the monks who copied geometric tracts without any comprehension at all, or any regard for the actual content
asciilifeform: the 'digital vellum' think is maddening precisely because of the idiot scholasticism implied
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fact is, there was a pretty useful and fairly complete snapshot in the ice. and now i look in the cryostat and find rotting gibblets and alive with flies.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he's been introduced to not ever knowing chemistry. << a more or less complete description of most american 'education' on most-any subject today.
asciilifeform: virtually 100% envirowhinerism, 'solutions' for the turd world, or 'accomplishments' of the Officially Sad
asciilifeform: to continue with mit thread: and to answer whaack's question: yes being associated with modern mit (vs 1980s and prior) is a serious strike against you. especially if you 'succeed' there. or, heaven help you, employed therein
asciilifeform: ^ see his article on why he allowed his iconic 'structure and interpretation of computer programming' course to get the axe.
asciilifeform tries to recall mircea_popescu's post re: how modern notion of 'chain of command' applied to medieval structures is simplistic; remembers that www is down
asciilifeform: danced the hempen jig, he did.
asciilifeform: or is dmca precisely what it appears to be - a bludgeon for riaa/mpaa to use, and anything else is incidental noise.
asciilifeform knows of no serious cases of such damages having been imposed, but - ianal!
asciilifeform: so after umpteen many warnings, the king's men roust all the bums that can be rousted, and dynamite the place.
asciilifeform: when i worked, many years ago, at 'nih' in bethesda, maryland - they experimented with reintroducing elevator-drivers. as i understood, it was merely an employment program for the Officially Sad
asciilifeform: inadvertently revealing that, not only did he sleep in school, but did not even contemplate cracking open a book
asciilifeform: he was attempting to abuse the very basic mathematical concept of 'eigenvalue', and referred to it, repeatedly, in print as 'igon value'.
asciilifeform: there is 'britannica' circa 1958 - the most complete edition - which i own
asciilifeform: i happen to own this toy: http://www.cnet.com/news/the-gizmo-report-wikireader-simple-singular
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://vilavi.ru/pes/aviamarsh/avi1.shtml << example. massive mega-historical-derp re: whether nazi stole an iconic song, 'aviators' march', from su, or vice-versa
asciilifeform: i will not re-tell the 'vagrancy laws' thing here, it is amply covered in the literature.
asciilifeform: unlike the english world, for example
asciilifeform: 'On April 9, a search warrant was served at Tucker's home and a computer had an operating system used by hackers, DPS said.'
asciilifeform: eers seemed to work reasonably well there. It's just not a business model in which I wish to be involved, at least not on the component-provider side. So after a year at Google I quit and returned to JPL.' << the once well-known erann gatt, aka ron garrett.
asciilifeform: a local frustration maximum. ... One of the reasons I decided to go work for Google was that they were not using Java. So of course you can guess what my first assignment was: lead the inaugural Java development at the company, what eventually became Google AdWords. ... And that was the end of Lisp at Google. In retrospect I am not convinced that he made the wrong decision. The interchangeable component model of software engin
asciilifeform: word "training" in relation to professional activities. Training is what you do to dogs. What you should be doing with people is educating them, not training them. There is a big, big difference.) To my mind, the hallmark of the interchangeable component model of software engineers is Java. Without going into too many details, I'll just say that having programmed in Lisp the shortcomings of Java are glaringly obvious, and pro
asciilifeform: 'One of the reasons I stayed at JPL for twelve years was that I was appalled at what the software industry had become. The management world has tried to develop software engineering processes that allow people to be plugged into them like interchangeable components. The "interface specification" for these "components" usually involves a list of tools in which an engineer has received "training." (I really detest the use of the
asciilifeform: or - worse - to the chump market.
asciilifeform: 'Using such inferior languages is like asking a chef who could have done wonders with any kind of raw materials, to use a dirty kitchen, a broken refrigerator with food that is about to die a second time, broken tools, and brownish tap water that tasted of swamp land. His first task would be to clean up the place. Creating food in there would be the furthest from his mind. That's how I feel about Perl and C++. I prefer to
asciilifeform: 'hired to solve problem' means that you are theoretically free to do it with a computer made of trained squirrels pushing trinary equations, so long as this fits the constraints set by the client.
asciilifeform: Chillum: a tame creature you keep around because enjoy its company.
asciilifeform: it is a uniquely mind-destroying paradigm, also, because it makes reasoning about actual cost of execution on actual hardware virtually impossible.
ascii_field: 'A 14-year-old middle school student in Holiday, Florida, was arrested this week and charged with "an offense against a computer system and unauthorized access," which is a felony. The student reportedly used an administrator password to log into a teacher's computer and change the background image to a photo of two men kissing. The student also revealed his secrets after he was caught – the password was the teacher'
ascii_field: trinque: that is a formulation for the simple
ascii_field: what particular state religion is in use, is unimportant so long as ufimtsev et al can do their thing.
ascii_field: empires - age. and die. like people.
ascii_field: how did aztecs stay in business long enough to build their pyramid temples?
ascii_field: and every other mega-empire
ascii_field: trinque: consider an example:
ascii_field: the tech level to allow -one individual who can hold the design in his mind- to attempt it - wasn't there yet.
ascii_field: see, idiot derps who do not know the state of the art and say that they do not need to, because taiwan isn't making it and their corner computer store isn't selling it - belong in africa.
ascii_field: funkenstein_: i am always entertained by folks commenting 'he does not know history of computing', when themselves they do not even know most of it, because it happened on the wrong side of the atlantic
ascii_field: 'that the protection stuff like checking array boundaries and pointer validity can be handled by the compiler just as effectively as it can in hardware, with the running product a lot faster and a lot simpler to build.' << imbecilic garbage
ascii_field: srsly this is not a secret, there is ample literature on what actually happens to idiot schmucks who think that money is magical
ascii_field: Even after the fall of the roman empire gold had value << aha, very valuable, but nothing in particular attaches it to your earthly carcass.
ascii_field: trinque: so corporatize the "chumpatron", not the lab, and own both >> see my comment to mircea_popescu >> http://trilema.com/2015/on-owning-things/#comment-113503
ascii_field: but that i knew precisely what must be done to make a computer a tolerable thing, most of a decade ago.
ascii_field: bits expensively stored as charge on si ought to be available for computing asynchronously.
ascii_field: nor am i especially interested in building yet another computer with passive memory.
ascii_field: (before anyone spits back the old paper re: the fact of c-gates implemented on xilinx fabric - go and see how many of them you can fit. and how much room left for interconnects.)
ascii_field: gabriel_laddel: not exactly. even if you could secure an infinite supply of the particular fpga, it turns out that they are not actually very general. in that you cannot efficiently implement muller c-gates in them.
ascii_field: i've been fighting a largely losing battle for many years, attempting to convince folks to imagine - in their spare time - that a computer is not necessarily von neumann and the 50 yrs of shit soup
ascii_field: 'imprinting' not in the strict zoological sense, but in that of having encountered a concept during 'formative years' when a fella is figuring out wtf 'a computer is'
ascii_field is a believer in sapir-whorf to the extent that he very much observed the braindamage caused by imprinting on certain programming concepts, in a great many people.
ascii_field: the real reason i will not compete with the 16 y.o. is not stamina per se, but that i cannot trick my brain into actually caring
ascii_field: but this is a rather separate component of effective intelligence
ascii_field: mike_c: what i did before, was entirely else - high-performance computing for chemical modelling
ascii_field: and enable particular flavours of reverse engineering which are otherwise impossible
ascii_field: i can say quite securely that no one at 'google' is employed in this capacity.
ascii_field: i cited that thing merely because it is a compact statement of essentials of naggumism.
ascii_field: thoughts concerning the futility of his existence begin to intrude upon him, of futility; old complexes sharpen, and flower into a full-blown psychological crisis...
ascii_field: The apprehension of one's inadequacy begins, of the futility of one's existence, the principal impossibility of fulfilling one's idiotic desires. But there is always a choice. If the first variant prevails, he will press on with self-improvement, the study of genuinely worthy technologies, on which there can be foundations for the creation of something better. And he will understand that no one needs him as a smart-arse.
ascii_field: But the pathetic parody of a human does not grasp that it is not enough to have a cock's crest bachelor degree or to spoodge out a few pages of code at an olympiad, to become a programmer. In the course of this revelation, the lame abortus, reject of evolution, slowly begins to comprehend that the world is very much not as he imagined it.
ascii_field: the purpose of this was to create a bug-compatible emulator
ascii_field: i mean, wtf. i actually tried to put some chumpatronium in the hopper and all i got was 'eggog'
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: that it is not unreasonable to say 'i will not compete with 16 y.o. if i have any choice in the matter'
asciilifeform: decimation: if he 'broke' it, he will simply be left holding the short end of a fork
asciilifeform: (it is quite impossible to do, outside of a classroom)
asciilifeform: but there can be no great charlatan without the great - in its own way - gaggle of imbecilic chumps to go with him.
asciilifeform: (not even speaking of cross-platform portability, but the fact of any two compilers on same platform eating up the same input and producing comparable, valid output)
asciilifeform: esp. since the 'jewel of simplicity' aspect tends to dissipate very, very quickly in unskilled hands trying to implement a modicum of actual optimization
asciilifeform: what is difficult is to implement one that is worth -using-
asciilifeform: there are approximately as many of them as there are folks with comp sci. degrees.
asciilifeform: but in general 'simple lisps' are not hard to implement
asciilifeform: decimation: i found that it is only any good as a 'textbook example'
ascii_field: http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20141125/NEWS04/141129858/mathematicas-wolfram-wins-fraud-case?utm_source=NEWS04&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=chicagobusiness << won.
ascii_field: (gpl did not yet exist, and ianal, but the story is complicated - it -was- taxpayer-funded research)
ascii_field: what he did was, essentially, steal a usg mega-product - macsyma, the first really universal computer algebra system, thousands of man-years of
ascii_field: 'mathematica' has competitors in the exactly same sense that mpex does.
ascii_field: the man is a crank who grew up as 'next big physics mind' who ended up coming to nothing. but turned out that he was good at harnessing other folks to pull his imperial cart.
ascii_field: to my great shame, i pumped thousands and thousands of usd into wolfram's pockets.
ascii_field: 'The real problem with this result, however, is that it is not Wolfram's. He didn't invent cyclic tag systems, and he didn't come up with the incredibly intricate construction needed to implement them in Rule 110. This was done rather by one Matthew Cook, while working in Wolfram's employ under a contract with some truly remarkable provisions about intellectual property. In short, Wolfram got to control not only when and
ascii_field: and before we say 'the americans and their wasted effort on pointless sigint' - let's recall how they set up a whole planet as chumpers who can't access a sane computing system at any price...
ascii_field: mentionable, like everything else, so long as the context is sufficiently obfuscated (or can be presumed to be unknown to the chumps)
ascii_field recalls how richard sorge, perhaps greatest spy who ever lived, still stuck to impersonating a german - rather than japanese - official, while in jp
ascii_field takes off hat, does not know anyone else who would dare to attempt it.
ascii_field: could quite easily flunk tests. could not convincingly worm into the company of folks who grew up doing so.
ascii_field: to get back to original point, that i attempted to make, - division of labour exists, and not everyone is a universal and reshapeable everything.
ascii_field: (i very clearly recall incident of specialist who dealt with chimps in the wild, getting 'chimped' after many uneventful years. but lost the link.)
ascii_field: 'when two chimpanzees grabbed his feet and pulled him under a fence into their enclosure...'
ascii_field: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/29/jane-goodall-institute-chimpanzee-eden_n_1636798.html? << just one randomly selected example
ascii_field: iirc there is a hypothesis that it is why they attack - he fails to respond to some important chimp gesture of dom/sub protocol handshake
ascii_field: put the two together bare-handed - chimp will tear off limbs and rape the corpse
ascii_field: the point, which i evidently failed to get across, is that the man vs chimp contest requires the man to at least get a chance to sharpen a stick, in order to use his advantage over the beast
ascii_field: one could argue that this is not true, and that 'there is still as much work for systems engineers today as in '70 - because nothing really works' - but 'as much work' does not mean 'as much employment'
ascii_field: one very important fact is that a 'naggum' - if he is the genuine article - is a -destroyer- of jobs for his own kind, rather than creator thereof
ascii_field: there is not so much employment in the world for the 'naggum' variety of engineer. and one hundred percent of it is built on meat wots, years-long personal relationships and 'ins'.
ascii_field: i mentioned him at least once as specifically an example of a particularly vile species sometimes called 'digerati'
ascii_field: 'Colleges need to publicize the employment rates of recent graduates and the percentage of students who complete their degrees so that strapped parents can do cost-benefit analyses like they do with any other major cash investment.' << anyone recall the law school debacle ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: ellison is interesting for another reason. he is the undisputed emperor of 'wrote a few good stories in the '50s, famous for nothing in particular since'; loudly rants demanding eternal copyright because 'creaaaatorz have riiiiiightz!!111!!'
ascii_field: !s tuba compressor
ascii_field: i suppose you could also say that i scroll, but simply prefer to do it with eyes rather than fingers
ascii_field: the 'we want everything in www-readable plain text' concept sorta implies.
ascii_field: i actually do not like pdf, for various reasons, some of which overlap with mircea_popescu's. i prefer a wavelet-compressed format, 'djvu'
asciilifeform: in so far as this compendium remains hypothetical - snowden's beliefs are 'angels on a pin'
asciilifeform: at some point, somebody could publish a compendium of everything herr snowden spoke under actual gpg signature
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: it is difficult to imagine that cia employee would have no concept of what usg dishes out to the rest of the planet (as well as own subjects)
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: it is the 'sympathy' of torquemada for the heretic
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/09/you-know-what-doesnt-wash-your-pathetic-attempts-to-teach-the-controversy-thats-what/#comment-14820
asciilifeform: decimation: the traditional picture is each empire getting its 'correct' continent
asciilifeform: nubbins`: <nubbins`> anyone who claims to have a grasp on the processes behind these decisions is blowing smoke up your ass << the amputation folks do appear to converge on certain threads in their explanations, iirc
asciilifeform: does this count as amputation fetishism...
asciilifeform: decimation: if lacking both hands - you'd become a human 'soil compactor'
asciilifeform: nubbins`: iirc from shrink literature, proper ampuphetishists grow 'alienated' from their hand/foot/cock, coming to believe that it was a foreign object sewn on to them by martian abductors or somesuch.
asciilifeform: i assume 'self-amputated' means something other than machine-shop
asciilifeform: e.g. amputation fetishist gets amputation, etc.
asciilifeform: also terrible lack of even attempt at realism
asciilifeform: i wonder how long until sp4mz0rz start simply posting addrs in commentspam
asciilifeform: when this was accomplished - there was no further investment
asciilifeform: (i do not know of any simple means to 'netcat' these. they come out of ttyS0, as the gods intended.)
asciilifeform: ru parachutists land on a drifting ice sheet, 100km from the pole, in full gear; build camp with self-contained systems, mains power, heat, etc. at -50c.
ascii_field: and among portable computers, amd is extinct other than in 'disposable' models
ascii_field: but i will point out that it has become -nearly- impossible to assemble a proper workstation without recourse to 'antiques' vendors
ascii_field: simply by churning out 'godelian' blocks for gavincoin
ascii_field: at any rate, this gedankenexperiment is an interesting one - where does 'bug for bug compatibility' legitimately stop? are we obligated to crash for 1GB of uncoalesceable crud, or 2GB? 4? 16?
asciilifeform: economics - thermodynamics == chumpatronics.
asciilifeform: rather than now, with room-temperature weather
asciilifeform: decimation: if thermodynamically expensive - the game ends sooner than chumps expect.
asciilifeform: 'A couple of blocks from the White House, the lights went off for about 30 seconds at the Warner Theatre as Oprah Winfrey delivered a speech honoring Maya Angelou during the dedication of a new postage stamp. After a few seconds, the sound system began to work again, and Winfrey continued her delivery until the lights returned.'
asciilifeform: http://www.sfgate.com/business/article/FBI-Attack-on-PG-amp-E-substation-in-13-wasn-t-5746785.php << 'not terrorism!!'
asciilifeform: decimation: no need for xray, just buy off some outfit that handles 'palmprint' door locks for usg
asciilifeform: nubbins`: can you picture how many folks are paid to sit (not necessarily even at a computer, could be a pNohe in one hand) and wait for a bell to ring ?
ascii_field: what will a muscle computer be ..?
ascii_field: muscle computers.
ascii_field: 'The war, therefore if we judge it by the standards of previous wars, is merely an imposture. It is like the battles between certain ruminant animals whose horns are incapable of hurting one another. But though it is unreal it is not meaningless. It eats up the surplus of consumable goods, and it helps to preserve the special mental atmosphere that the hierarchical society needs. War, it will be seen, is now a purely
ascii_field: 'high-tech' fuzzers actually spot differences in branch outcomes at every conditional jump as consequence of nth bit in input having changed
ascii_field: the loss in physical plant would be comparable to a world war
ascii_field: street lamps where i live often suffer from a peculiar glitch where they switch -off- if someone walks near
ascii_field: (for light bulb - and resistive heaters, similar - compatibility.)
ascii_field: early to the game - does not translate to 'better', when the result is massive antiquated crud everywhere, that no one contemplates replacing because $maxint
ascii_field: chetty: wake me up when it hits something important
ascii_field: mats: ... similar gig as you, i imagine: working for 'the man' in compartmentalized ops, churning out weaponized exploits and such. << believe or not, i was never in this business. not even from ethical considerations, but starting with the fact that it is a -terrifyingly- dreary kind of work, carried out largely with brute force 'fuzzing' by gigantic stables of fungible slaves.
ascii_field: the kind of thing that dying empire cannot really hide for long
asciilifeform: or simply the fact of the p&p machine being loaded by hand from clips instead of magazine ?