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ascii_field: more of warning-light than imperium
ascii_field: (magnetic amps long pre-date semiconductors. nazis used them in subs, rockets, for instance)
ascii_field: stamped
ascii_field realized that one could, in principle, microfabricate logical circuits made of magnetic amplifiers (as seen in well-known 'сетунь' trinary computer)
ascii_field: (the other thing is, he didn't forbid upgrading keys - simply happens to charge 30 btc for the service)
ascii_field: or rather, communicating authoritatively the statement that 'anyone using this key after this moment is an impostor'
asciilifeform: cazalla: looks like .22 (olympics caliber)
asciilifeform: i'm still curious, who is going to outcompete a hypothetical usg telecom monopoly inserting miners into cable boxes etc. and on what parameter ? cost of energy ? nope - schmucks pay. cost of manufacture? again, schmucks pay, indirectly. which is it ?
asciilifeform: they only appear complicated because 1) folks slept through school 2) lack of popular access to chip fab tech translates to lack of interest in even the most elementary aspects of engineering
asciilifeform: for the benefit of log readers, i will point out again, that a sha256 hashing circuit is dwarfed, complexity-wise, by all but the simplest 'homework' cpu, gpu, whatever other ic product
asciilifeform: but the overall complexity of the act of mining is not high
asciilifeform: these folks fill the holy trifecta of 1) won't notice 2) if notices, won't care 3) if cares, impotent to do anything
asciilifeform: cazalla: lamps as in neon ?
asciilifeform: jurov: grid isn't pegged. not by a long shot. think of the whole affair as usg imposing a (comparatively, tiny) tax on its subjects with which to buy hash.
asciilifeform: jurov: so chumper pays more. as he did when he had a crt instead of lcd, etc
asciilifeform: trinque: it is simply the largest slave empire in history. sorta like egypt, or inca, with nukes.
asciilifeform: shabby condition of transmission lines. but the 5-10W pales in comparison to the seasonal cycle when the ac units switch on
asciilifeform: why half? they upgrade codecs, 'new signal is not compatible,' want cable - gotta accept (phree!!111!!) new box.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: the beauty is that no one will ask the chump if he wants to cover the costs
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: why not? classic, grade-a chumpatron. the actual costs (mains power) are 100% externalized to the chumps.
asciilifeform: essentially, they wanted to pocket 100% of the miner output while throwing occasional bones to the idiot chumpers
asciilifeform: 'In the example, one user is able to use his BTC to skip 15 minutes of commercials on online video service Hulu.' << this is just too many lulz
asciilifeform: likely, memory (or even cpu subcomponents)
asciilifeform: 'when the output actually mattered: the bygone era of dependable computing' (book does not exist, aborted project of mine)
asciilifeform: ^ boxes where you could pull out just about -any- component and replace, without stopping or so much as pausing, work
asciilifeform: what would be involved in virtualizing it, and if it was so simple, we would not still be fixing bugs in the exact same area in our operating system going on 12 years.'
asciilifeform: 'While x86 hardware has the same page-protection hardware that an IBM 390 architecture machine has, modern PC machines are a mess. They are architecturally so dirty, that parts of the video, keyboard, and other IO devices are interfaced with even to do simple things like context switching processes and handling interrupts. Those of us who have experience with the gory bits of the x86 architecture can clearly say that we know
asciilifeform: e.g., that 'works' microcomputer thing looks considerably more usable than any modern 'tablet' gizmo.
asciilifeform: and walk through the traditional western idiocies, and attempt to import
asciilifeform: it looks precisely like the imported feedstock. just, no mass uptake
asciilifeform: 'Delusional boot provides a full set of devices with complete functionality to the OS only during the boot process. Later on, it disables the non-critical devices and it replaces the critical ones with a set of barebones virtual devices that only offer common case functionality.'
asciilifeform: anal holes, to these folks, happen purely by chance, misfortune. even contemplating the alternative is unbearable cognitive dissonance to them.
asciilifeform: 'The retired official said there had been another complication: some members of the Seal team had bragged to colleagues and others that they had torn bin Laden’s body to pieces with rifle fire. The remains, including his head, which had only a few bullet holes in it, were thrown into a body bag and, during the helicopter flight back to Jalalabad, some body parts were tossed out over the Hindu Kush mountains – or so the Sea
asciilifeform: (i had the impression that mircea_popescu gave up with it)
ascii_field: but - somehow - mostly compatible from dos
ascii_field: (was searching for years for a 100% silent example of such, finally found)
ascii_field: lobbes: what are you comparing to ?
ascii_field: (attempting to be something other than slavishly transparent to usg tendrils)
asciilifeform: 'And that's where things get interesting. Because, you see, if you shoot at, imprison, and otherwise abuse a defenseless civilian population long enough, what you get in response is an armed insurgency. The place insurgencies are easiest to organize is in prison...'
asciilifeform: this is not a complete picture
asciilifeform: there is also a component of keeping the airlines in business, plus keeping a lid on unsanctioned 'interstate commerce' etc
asciilifeform: so aviation looks quite like what personal computing will look like in a decade or two.
asciilifeform: at one point, airplanes were supposed to 'happen' sorta like personal computer was going to
asciilifeform: 'The kit includes all components necessary for construction of the aircraft body up to the firewall, pre-cut and pre-bent.' (http://www.tillamookair.com/chris-teena-mini-coupe)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1128547 << to complete the painting, you build a telescope - out of sight of the demented old bastard - and see thermonuked wasteland around, no tomato in sight. then you build a spark gap radio and discover that on other side of planet, there are a few quasi-functioning tomato gardens. perhaps one or two per continent.
asciilifeform: trinque: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=836 << my ancient attempt
ascii_field: thing is, 'being judged re: what one is best for' has a baked-in implication of brute slavemarket
ascii_field: http://www.principality-hutt-river.org/gov/PHR_Govt_Notice_of_False_Misleading_&_Fraudulent_Representation.htm << this kind of thing is a major problem for 'micronation' derps. but for some reason not one has, afaik, ever contemplated pgp.
ascii_field: and implication from brochure is that there is no native linux port, but uses x86 translatron
ascii_field: essentially a byword for 'let's find a way to enforce ban on general-purpose computer'
ascii_field: as far as i'm concerned, if it won't compile on my box, for my box, it doesn't exist
ascii_field: or compiling on arm
ascii_field: from standpoint of boobytraps, an example of 'worth writing home about' would be a machine 1) with pedantically open spec, to transistor level 2) with provisions for tandemming with implementations of same by other, foreign makers
asciilifeform: 2) not only flesh but infrastructure - are fragile. 'tsar bomba' knocked out power lines for many km despite being tested far from civilization (emp by zipping charged particles through van allen belt, a well-understood effect.) picture just one of these over, e.g., new york
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this comparison was widely made in ru sphere
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: kal-007 << 100% sop today, ua being example, yes
asciilifeform: take, or leave - that is the explanation behind all of the retardation we know as 'computing'
asciilifeform: this is 100% of my 'unified theory' of computing.
asciilifeform: it is interesting to contemplate what is the most expensive piece of technology involved in this circus
asciilifeform: this again rides on the assumption that physical concentrations of people are strictly something that enemy does, and never us
asciilifeform: example.
asciilifeform: the 'fab costs $1B' is merely a -symptom- of the real problem
asciilifeform: when it was, instead, 'who has longest sovereignty cock' - folks willingly died for the glory of $empire, yes
asciilifeform: one of the reasons why si fab costs what it does is that many of the necessary components are made in 2, 3, locations globally
asciilifeform: for another, fpga and the genuine article can never be comparable on account of ruinous delays in the latter
asciilifeform: ru has indigenous cpu design tradition, and many of the folks who were at it prior to the great 'warez shift' of mid-'70s, when compatibility with western cpus was mandated from above - are still alive
asciilifeform: (no, cn, ru, etc. are not 'free world' in this sense, they run winblows toolchains and operate overwhelmingly on designs cribbed wholesale without any attempt whatsoever to fit in any head)
asciilifeform: virtually everything that is produced today is simply a 'model airplane' glued from opaque libraryturds licensed from N vendors
asciilifeform: afaik there are -no- independent (as in, based on published documents) reimplementations of arm in production today.
asciilifeform: rather, it is that arm is implemented by 'licensees' who get an opaque turd
asciilifeform: x86 simply desperately must die.
asciilifeform: so, for instance, if you -never- run winblows, you can nix -all- of classical x86 bios-compatibility turd
asciilifeform: with... pipe clamp ?
asciilifeform: i.e. that there is ample supply of morons with guessable pw
asciilifeform: the interesting thing re: ssh bruteforcers is the implication
asciilifeform: 'This is actually true, I passed by some twerp here trying to give out flyers of some local thing identifying as a communist party and my principal impulse was to ask him how is he not ashamed of himself.' << i lost count of how many 'radical left party hq' doors i walked past in b-a
asciilifeform: from artistic standpoint - of composition.
asciilifeform: 'Fay was due to answer bail on January 25, 2013, but failed to do so. Just days before he was due to be charged, Fay emptied his bank account...'
asciilifeform: 'Today Bitcoin Core is easily >100 times faster to synchronize and relay than when I first got involved on the same hardware, but these improvements have been swallowed by the growth.' << ahahahahaha the headers-first idiocy
asciilifeform: iirc gcc was the -only- working compiler for itanic, for ages
asciilifeform: (vliw is a bitch to compile for)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: microshit was unable to bake a reasonable compiler for itanic. hence it sank.
asciilifeform: the secret to killing intel (in the sense of crafting a replacement which pushes the bits -that actually need pushing- at competitive speed at competitive cost) is to ditch x86 and even unix, all the way to von neumann; then can use si fab processes circa 1994 or so
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the last importer appears to have vanished
asciilifeform: (most chumpnet idiots have ruinously obsolete hardware)
asciilifeform: not impossible, but uneconomical given the (even in that era's mining difficulty) reward
asciilifeform: i personally collected hundreds of examples of such crud, not a single one made any attempt to install opencl
asciilifeform: utter, complete cargo cult.
asciilifeform: unless chump had opencl drivers installed
asciilifeform: think of gpu as simply a very poorly documented coprocessor
asciilifeform: the impression i got from the linked piece is that the hackability of derpco. or whatnot was a crown criminal matter
asciilifeform: imho it is worth looking into, because 1) without question they are under the usg glass dome and 2) serious, otherwise educated folks may very well be in the chumpset
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what keys are used in mpex is between the users and mpex, i haven't the slightest notion of what goes on there
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: http://dpaste.com/2E0CYZQ << example of binary shenanigans that i like to give
asciilifeform came very early in life to the realization that most people - and their problems - are simply not very interesting
ascii_field: will release gendered comments compliance plugin for it
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes getting that shit to compile is god's work. i imagine alf's set is untouched since 1993... l0l:
asciilifeform: <decimation> asciilifeform: your massif dump has c++ standard vector bullshit << sure does
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu keys are batch-converting on dulap. after they're done, will be pumped in locally.
asciilifeform: experiment with things such as varying sample rate, etc.
asciilifeform: but ben_vulpes has one of the early samples.
asciilifeform: (as in the 'rump kernel' example from last night)
asciilifeform: mike_c: be so kind as to load https://keyserver.mattrude.com/dump/current/ and describe the ssl cert you see
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wget --wait 1 -e robots=off -p -m https://keyserver.mattrude.com/dump/current/
asciilifeform: aha, wanted to 'combine the pleasurable with the useful' and get fresh sks dump 1st
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: thing's churning (largely overlap with previous shots, so werker queue is mostly empty).
ascii_field: very forgiving. had temp. moratorium on death penalty after ww2, even.
ascii_field: exes were sinking kingdoms and empires since t=-inf
ascii_field: and then the holes in the implementations...
ascii_field: why mircea_popescu so impatient.
asciilifeform: the current item was the simplest/most-kalashnikov
asciilifeform: (idea was that scarcely anyone survived, and so would-be miscreants were tempted with reduced terms with proviso that if they return, they get to kill somebody)
asciilifeform: cazalla: was to be a complicated l0l re: 'red' indians
asciilifeform: because was under the impression that mircea_popescu lacked for desperadoes, good shootouts, etc. in b-a rather than gurlz
asciilifeform was also under the impression that mircea_popescu already flies in females as necessary for terraforming martian colony
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm still puzzled as to how importing female ua would replenish the missing supply of (somehow) necessary orcs
asciilifeform: decimation: and the nearer to d.c. swamp, the more so, yes
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: import ukraina l0l
asciilifeform: competent robbers go where there is something to steal ?
asciilifeform for example lives in 90+% south american street
asciilifeform: in the general case, both - predictable. like the example of orlov's bridge falling into the river. (eventually the whole thing is underwater. but when?)
asciilifeform: which will, naturally, follow 'federal equal opportunity employment' etc.
asciilifeform: mega-posh campus, incidentally
asciilifeform: luded nautical charts and drawings showing the route to be followed in laying the cable. The War Department issued its permit Number 2845 on September 8, 1930. Thereafter, United States Customs advised that inspections of the cable tank buildings, additional permits and the payment of duties were required in addition to a warehouse bond for the importation and storage of surplus cable.'
asciilifeform: 'President Hoover signed a permit to lay cable in the territorial waters of the United States on June 17, 1930. The Cuban-American Telephone and Telegraph Company, a wholly owned subsidiary of the Bell Telephone Company, accepted responsibility for the work under this permit and filed it with the State Department in Washington D.C. The Division Attorney applied for a War Department Permit on August 9, 1930. The application inc
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%A6%D0%A1%D0%A2-R1000 << mega-l0l. claimed to be employed in ru missile & crypto gear. sparc v9 clone. manufactured 'in small parties of a few tens of examples per month.'
asciilifeform: i must note that the firm has a lengthy history of chumpatronic shenanigans
asciilifeform attempts to find the docs, turns up nothing but marketing crud
asciilifeform: it is how they dump inventory
asciilifeform: gotta want 100,000 examples of it.
asciilifeform: at any rate, i'm merely trying to divine whether they export these buggers after all, or - as i suspect - the examples turning up in ru were hand-carried to the street market
asciilifeform: goatfuckers with chinese imports by the gigatonne. hence question.
asciilifeform: unless intel pulls a microshit-apple and keeps it on life support as token competitor
asciilifeform: but what i see is the complexity buck being passed
asciilifeform: one of 1,001 flavours of lipstick folks attempted to make the unix pig fuckable with.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: http://rumpkernel.org << see for yourself.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: more broadly, the removal of complexity layers
asciilifeform: this is a prime example of mircea_popescu's 'death by meta'
asciilifeform: !s rump kernel
asciilifeform: also we did 'rump kernel' here
asciilifeform enjoyed the original erlang book, but did not enjoy attempting to write in it
ascii_field: trinque: tx imports nothing from rest of usa ?
ascii_field: trinque: it also means that if you're on the throne, you gotta pander to derps to some extent - because this is implicit in ruling a naturally-occurring herd containing both halves of the 'bell curve'
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: 'year zero' where there isn't maxint lines of existing legacy crud that spews ten quintillion profiler errors - is why the 'culture' thing is less impressive than it sounds
asciilifeform: because came up with it in the dark, used chewing gum, knife, remains of his parachute straps, and bones of travelling companion to build it.
asciilifeform: (not really problem, as such, unless one made catastrophic mistake in empetting)
asciilifeform: they built phree charging garages in key chump habitats in usa
asciilifeform: so far it seems to add up to a 80% re-implementation of the proper wot out of toothpicks and tape.
asciilifeform: try to answer this one compactly, it should be answerable. who composes the whitelist ?
asciilifeform: whitelist composed by whom? kim jong un ?
asciilifeform: in the sese that random schmuck driving 'uber' has no paperwork, no pensions, no unemployment insurances, cannot sue for anything, etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu> sort-of like impromptu dentistry << big business in the turd world (of which usa is properly considered - a part)
ascii_field: it is so that idiots can use 1,001 incompatible encodings for their hieroglyphs
ascii_field: many interesting observations could be written re: the echonomy; taxonomy of chumps (free-range vs corralled, etc.) and the like
ascii_field: again, this is a very preliminary thing. i strongly encourage others to attempt replication.
ascii_field: it is 95% amputation
ascii_field: mod6: now, as far as i can tell, it doesn't jam up the attempted static build
ascii_field: 'The problem is that "exploitation" happens only to people stupider (and consequently less informed) than the "exploiter". The root cause of this whole world problem is that some people are smarter than others. There are two basic solutions to this problem: Kill all the morons, or kill all the brains. If you look at how several political regimes have behaved throughout history, you might get the impression that they
ascii_field: i will add, for interested readers, that mccarthy's garbage collection (and other items) 'did not count' for the same precise reason why mpex 'does not count' to american muppets, and in general why the annoying kid who 'throws the curve' and sends entire classroom of imbeciles to the bottom of the sea, is decreed to 'not count.'
ascii_field: the relationship which is implied in an ordinary lie. I saw great battles reported where there had been no fighting, and complete silence where hundreds of men had been killed. I saw troops who had fought bravely denounced as cowards and traitors, and others who had never seen a shot fired hailed as the heroes of imaginary victories; and I saw newspapers in London retailing these lies and eager intellectuals building
ascii_field: cn never really invented 'history' in the euro sense (of at least attempting de-mythologized recordkeeping)
ascii_field: not even chumps, as such - many of these folks (i usedto work with'em) are laughing all the way to the bank, riding the thermodynamic waterfall between usd salary and cn cost of living
ascii_field: u.s. became the kind of inscrutable and thoroughly-dysfunctional beast we know today partly through the '50-'60s preoccupation with mindgames and 'programmatory' psychochumpatronics, where 'they must not realize they are servile' was the mandatory algo
ascii_field: then rewrote with gmp (what gpg uses)
asciilifeform: ' President Perón envisioned that a benefit of setting up an aviation factory in Argentina would be to introduce production standards comparable to world-class manufacturing facilities. However, Tank realized that production tools and jigs were not feasible at this stage and relied instead on essentially hand-built examples.' (pediwikian l0l)
asciilifeform: <decimation> asciilifeform: is there a gpg keyserver that just holds pubkeys, dumps on request? << the sks servs dump, but in this mega-blob format where you get ~25MB of continuous gpg binary packet
asciilifeform: https://keyserver.mattrude.com/dump/current << l0l, apparently there is a real-time one.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu you gotta restart it for the changes to take. you can also make a spare copy of it to run locally, it is simple enough.
asciilifeform: the academia racket does create a superficial chumpatronic appearance that some folks are 'paid to think'
asciilifeform: for the record, when i first encountered green ('07 ?) i definitely had sympathy for the 'someone ought to pay me to think, fuck the world' thing, until i figure out what she intended to 'think' -about-
asciilifeform: tbh weizenbaum is in no sense the originator of the 'mega-computerized bureaucracy will crush all souls' meme
asciilifeform: ^ cheap n-th generation plagiarism of weizenbaum (of eliza) 'computer power and human reason'
asciilifeform: decimation: the realization that software and computing in general as it exists is deeply and profoundly retarded, dawned on many people
asciilifeform just ran into this ancient piece, http://cultureandempire.wikidot.com/page:ch03-p4 (from somewhere in mircea_popescu's www) and marvels at the 'borges's chinese encyclopaedia' surreal perversity of it all
asciilifeform: how about a simple 'we don't have it, but you can get it from .... ' ?
asciilifeform: but it is important to remember that 'keys' (in the customary sense) are indexed by the (garbage) hash of the -whole key- rather than fp - because it is actually subkeys that have fp's, rather than 'keys' (as in, what folks typically paste in)
ascii_field: danielpbarron: all it does is dump/write the reserved 2nd half of mtd0
ascii_field: simplest way is to get those utils on the stock os (sftp copy, or wget) and use.
ascii_field: ^ the down side of how 'unobtrusive' disk cache is implemented on linux is that if ram is 'redlined' to the hilt, there is - approximately - no disk caching at all.
asciilifeform: t. dalrymple (see logs) had many wonderful stories of his patients (he was a prison shrink for some years) who saw police, judges, etc. as malevolent martians persecuting them 'for no reason at all'
asciilifeform: to chimp (of whatever colour upholstery) his surroundings merely 'happen' to him, they are 'given', yes.
asciilifeform: j. carter promised to 'reveal' aliens at 'area-51' in his campaign.
asciilifeform: i consider a box without ecc and some level of redundant storage - a toy, not computer
asciilifeform: any more than an expert swimmer is by implication a boat.
asciilifeform: sure, but that's a trivial example
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for some time, i've wondered about earliest surviving example of shannonizer
asciilifeform: 'voluntary-compulsory', to borrow a sovietism
asciilifeform: but afaik most veblenism comes from misguided attempts to sate #1-4.
asciilifeform: why ben_vulpes is sitting in an empty shop ?
ascii_field: unrelated: that sks key mega-dump is in a ludicrous format - .gpg binary turds with 10,000s of pubkeys in each
ascii_field: probably sikorsky is better example
ascii_field: except - sometimes, the sane - to the camps.
ascii_field: ashtrays, lampshades, aha
ascii_field doesn't expect to be taken prisoner alive, but wishes mircea_popescu a jolly good meinkampfing
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: ... consider rewriting the history of the world from the only sane perspective : as the endless "interplay" between two types of people : the sane, and the imperceptibly mentally ill << nietzsche, or, far better, limonov
ascii_field: imperceptibly ?! l0l
ascii_field: http://www.loper-os.org/vintage/paralleleye/eye.html << example of item i bought on ebay. where the fuck else is it even physically possible to get one of these? sotheby's? it took 5+ yrs of searching, too
ascii_field: my fave abuse: самшит (Buxus sempervirens) ~= 'someshit'
ascii_field: but, for example, ebay may well become the only practical source for amd cpu where i live, once amd finally sinks
ascii_field: esp. when the rare things in question are not 'collectible' idiocies but obscure components
ascii_field: ebay was an improvement on the latter.
asciilifeform: decimation> asciilifeform: more on ada: http://www.adacore.com/academia/universities/ < the list of us universities has a conspicuous absence of 'popular' tech schools << 'where used' is by far the least appealing aspect of ada. as for 'where taught', the answer is largely nowhere. the kind of thinking implied by ada is a -culture- that has to be imparted.
ascii_field: considering that previously, this thing wasn't even on a computer in the usual sense - this is a major step forward.
ascii_field: incompatibility b/w 2.7 and 2.6
ascii_field: and naturally will dump db in
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: when i pump it in!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu forgot e) sane person adds kludge to enable some semblance of civilization to function, creating schizoid split and opening would that bleeds complexity
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> the computer's job is NOT to be the fucking master, and make its own decisions a la windows. the computer's job is NOT to be a solipsistic retarded geek and just do its own thing like anal children do ... the computer's job is to be a most humbly abject slave, perpetually and consumatedly on its knees following you around, with the dedication and unwavering insistence no dog can summon << obligatory http://ww
asciilifeform: computing collapsed under own weight.
asciilifeform: not that computing wasn't invaded, but this is rather like the popular ru explanation for fall of ussr
asciilifeform: <Adlai> never trust a man with no last name << there's a fella in '80s theoretical comp sci, worked on parallel systems iirc, who was known as simply 'arvind'
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> the problem here is that we're regressing to the past (srsly, the varnish adventure is so reminiscent of "dos utilities" scene it bleeds) but with much more powerful tools and with much more societal dependency on them. << lamport's article on brokenness+helplessness leading to return to 'voodoo' methods (electronic homeopathy, sympathetic magic, all the way to prayer healing)
asciilifeform: TomServo: check out the pogoplug netbsd saga for one example.
asciilifeform prescribes a dose of 'computer defender' ( http://www.loper-os.org/wp-content/compdef.png )
asciilifeform: on normal computer.
asciilifeform: simplest possible thing
ascii_field: and more importantly, wtf should i have to care
ascii_field: trinque: my opposition to git et al as canonical representations is because they have -any- 'behind the scenes' components.
ascii_field: (diff does not offer a simple way to say 'deleted whole file')
ascii_field: why? because we have a little problem with vermin, in computing
ascii_field: davout: if uncompressed - very much so
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: one way to look at it is that division of labour never really happened in computing. to the useful point where you can actually safely hand something off to a pro. instead, we're all in a situation not unlike that ru doctor in the polar expedition who had to self-appendectomy
ascii_field once wrote a forth to brainfuck compiler
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: there is probably enough accumulated anger of this kind among computer users for two or three classy genocides
ascii_field: guess based on samples i collect personally
asciilifeform: anyone who reads the code will probably lean to agreeing with my take on this, which is that this is one of the 1,001 things which is not happening as a simple patch
asciilifeform: and other thing is, clients have tremendous incentive to drop mempool tx that is an obvious non-candidate for block
asciilifeform: mempool is a fart in the wind
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'm crapping out a rhymetranslation just for you, compadre
ascii_field: presumably the 'unit cost' is what the components actually cost. rather than the usual amortized nre, etc. which honest people include in such a figure.
ascii_field: [4] https://goodcrypto.com/redirect-offsite/https://eternally[SNIPPED]/wget.exe << l0l re: idiots serving up winblows exe to chumperz
ascii_field: because they are mainly concerned with simple internal cattle management
ascii_field: 'When we tried wget, it detected errors, retried, and finally succeeded. It said the error was a bad length field in a TLS packet. That didn't make sense at first because we thought TLS packets were error corrected by TCP.' << incidentally, i am not certain that i agree with the author's conclusion ('reverse heartbleed'.) it may very well be an attempt to exploit other braindamage in http stack
asciilifeform: nubbins`: the thread concerned a conversation we had at c3 about a hypothetical profession of 'computer sommelier'
asciilifeform: attempted to solve, even.
asciilifeform: <jurov> maybe the only difference is computer science was constructed from mathematical (or not very mathematical, like strings) ideas ... << the notion that computing machines, as presently constructed, have some direct connection with what maths folks did in the 1930s is nebulous at best. even if commonly believed
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> other than that, aglass of water is a computational machine << in the same sense as a fart, or even two electrons whizzing by in vacuum, are a computing machine. us earthlings are interested, for this reason, in -programmable- computators.
asciilifeform: aha context must've been a comparison with fiat?
asciilifeform: and "anyone and everyone being able to have a bitcoin wallet" << l0l, no computer needed, aha
asciilifeform: ^ speaking of which, is anyone going to splatter out the c3 conversation re: computational sommeliers here ?
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