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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45460 @ 0.00030024 = 13.6489 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00030732 = 3.7186 BTC [+]
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mircea_popescu: "to maintain correspondence between numbers and persons and tenses and such, and since this is mostly redundant, it can be also automated. this is stuff that takes just a bit of time to do, but when a whole paragraph of text " << such nonsense.
mircea_popescu: a fine example of "too easy".
asciilifeform: happy hitler's-brains-on-the-floor day.
asciilifeform: (and su flag on reichstag night.)
asciilifeform: decimation> asciilifeform: more on ada: < the list of us universities has a conspicuous absence of 'popular' tech schools << 'where used' is by far the least appealing aspect of ada. as for 'where taught', the answer is largely nowhere. the kind of thinking implied by ada is a -culture- that has to be imparted.
assbot: Universities | Academia | AdaCore ... ( )
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> ah, installed nginx, yeah << on top of apache again ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24657 @ 0.0002909 = 7.1727 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29769 @ 0.00029313 = 8.7262 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25850 @ 0.00029805 = 7.7046 BTC [+]
davout: <<< done, i also think i gave my gpg-fingerprint-imprinted bizcard to most peeps at c3 so time for some moar signing!
assbot: Logged on 30-04-2015 03:33:07; mircea_popescu: hey various folks whose pgp keys i've signed at teh conference key signing party... you're supposed to also sign mine!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00029805 = 1.371 BTC [+]
scoopbot_revived: Pings: 1
davout: ;;later tell Pierre_Rochard do you have some background to share regarding your accounting software? probably missed it if it has already been discussed
gribble: The operation succeeded.
davout: ;;later tell Pierre_Rochard /me is pretty interested
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22510 @ 0.00030213 = 6.8009 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25248 @ 0.00028397 = 7.1697 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.0002812 = 6.0739 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 233.41, Best ask: 233.56, Bid-ask spread: 0.15000, Last trade: 233.64, 24 hour volume: 29719.49545302, 24 hour low: 224.0, 24 hour high: 236.71, 24 hour vwap: None
pete_dushenski: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 354348 | Current Difficulty: 4.761056451347126E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 354815 | Next Difficulty In: 467 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 12 hours, 16 minutes, and 14 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47658271405.0 | Estimated Percent Change: 0.1002
pete_dushenski: g'mornin Pierre_Rochard
Pierre_Rochard: morning pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: i see you've made some solid progress with pacioli.
pete_dushenski: you're going to make accountants out of us yet!
Pierre_Rochard: davout: I floated the idea last year - I’ve used a lot of different accounting software and never been satisfied - none of them use acccounting theory as the spec
Pierre_Rochard: pete_dushenski: or at least make reasonable bookkeepers out of you, I couldn’t call someone an accountant if they don’t know how to do a multi-entity, multi-currency consolidation
Pierre_Rochard: which would be overkill - hire me instead!
pete_dushenski: multi-currency i understand, but what do you mean by 'multi-entity' ?
pete_dushenski: and hey, i'll take better bookkeeping!
Pierre_Rochard: for example you’re a 90% owner of a subsidiary in mexico, etc
Pierre_Rochard: the sub has its own set of books, you need to roll them up into the parent company’s, there are adjustments to made (like of the parent is lending money to the sub)
pete_dushenski: ah yes, complete 'accountant' territory, that.
pete_dushenski: i am but a simple man using simple spreadsheets.
Pierre_Rochard: that is the current state-of-the-art in bitcoin accounting
pete_dushenski: sort of like how a pointy rock was state-of-the-art tribal warfare 50,000 years ago.
pete_dushenski: "look how much more effective the pointy rock is than the blunt round rock!"
Pierre_Rochard: exactly, and I’m assembling an abrams tank, now I need to write up the user manual
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2800 @ 0.0016191 = 4.5335 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: we need the "explain it to me like i'm 5 years old" approach
Pierre_Rochard: agreed, building something to explain was the first step, now the real work begins
pete_dushenski: keep it going :)
Pierre_Rochard: thanks, will do! I’m getting surgery on my right shoulder in a week, so I need to get some dictation software haha
Pierre_Rochard: (torn labrum from dislocation, not a major procedure)
pete_dushenski: surgery ?! dude... sports injury ?
Pierre_Rochard: originally dislocated while mountain biking, then again from skipping rope
pete_dushenski: oof. that's rough man.
pete_dushenski: how long is the expected recovery ?
Pierre_Rochard: 6 months of physical therapy
Pierre_Rochard: I’ll be typing after a month though
pete_dushenski: man i couldn't imagine a month without typing.
pete_dushenski: it'd be like a month without seeing.
pete_dushenski: well, Pierre_Rochard, wishing you a speedy recovery!
Pierre_Rochard: same, thanks!
pete_dushenski: "A man embarrassed in his circumstances, and conducting them imprudently, likes best to continue in the dark; he will not gladly reckon up the debtor entries he is charged with. But on the other hand, there is nothing to a prudent manager more pleasant than daily to set before himself the sums of his growing fortune. -J.W. von Goethe" << lovely quote btw.
pete_dushenski: << i found this interesting because it's a local kid doing this on his own.
assbot: PGP BlackBerry Encryption • How BlackBerry PGP Works • Myntex ... ( )
pete_dushenski: i e-mailed him, he recommended using the blackberry 9900 (2011 vintage) or earlier
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40000 @ 0.0002812 = 11.248 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: apparently he has some large contracts already, something in the order of $6mn per year and no employees.
pete_dushenski: "For maximum security, our BlackBerry PGP encryption service utilizes AES 256 bit PGP encryption with a 4096 bit RSA key format." << also uses session keys, but these are presumably generated on the phone, so...
pete_dushenski: though the private master key is generated on a desktop.
mats: 'Custom encrypted domains' what
mircea_popescu: i don't get it. which is it ?
mircea_popescu: do they do the "rsa encryption of an aes symmetric key" thing ?
pete_dushenski: i dun follow that part at all. the pgp/rsa makes sense but where aes comes in is anyone's guess.
pete_dushenski: meh. not like i'm signing up anytime soon.
jurov: iirc pgp/rsa is computationally expensive, so it's only used to establish rsa keys
jurov: ssh does it same way
jurov: *establish aes keys
mircea_popescu: jurov gpg does the same thing, yeah, but then again that was the 80s.
mircea_popescu: funny how moore law is always there to justify doing something stupid, never to justify doing things like "rsa all the way - we can afford it now"
Pierre_Rochard: unrelated:
assbot: Why is your millenial crying? A guide for parents and other concerned parties, by Gemma Correll. - Boing Boing ... ( )
jurov: in this case it's not moore's law but bandwidth. you can't have megabytes/second with rsa, or if you do, battery dies
mircea_popescu: and in the lulz of today,
assbot: dpaste: 0BSP2VK ... ( )
mircea_popescu: jurov how does a blackberry send megabytes/second ?
jurov: with 3G/4G modem?
mircea_popescu: so let me get this straight.
mircea_popescu: best secretary i eve rhad did 82 wpm.
mircea_popescu: naggum, through the magic of shoving lisp up his ass, types 180wpm
mircea_popescu: but obama and the rest of the blackberry users type... 500k wpm ?
jurov: butbutbutmultimedia!
mircea_popescu: on that litthe shitty keyboard ?
mircea_popescu: o, you need to encrypt teh multishittia, yeh, sure.
mircea_popescu: use AES FOR THAT!
jurov: well, you live on the sane planet where people send only typed text by email and other things by other channels
mircea_popescu: there is such a thing as mime
jurov: and? so the optimal thing would be to parse the email and encrypt some parts by rsa and some by aes or what?
mircea_popescu: iirc blackberry was positioning itself as "text only. for important folk".
jurov: was
mircea_popescu: anyway, optimal thing would be user specified, and full rsa option.
jurov: explain that as an admin to your CEO what that stuff means and why
mircea_popescu: eh, fire the ceo.
jurov: ...
jurov: one of my first job as admin were email servers. and from the beginning it was like "plz to raise limit on attachments" "plz why the email did not arrive yet" "plz why is the internet slow cant you, you know set some priorities for traffic"
jurov: now go explain encryption options
mircea_popescu: "rsa. use for text. rsa/aes. use for anything that's not text."
mircea_popescu: << where black lives that matter meet white cocks that are free!
assbot: Harvard students protesting police brutality clash with naked runners ... ( )
mircea_popescu: << i didn't actually run it, just, got curious as to what exactly fails to work.
assbot: Logged on 30-04-2015 04:41:10; asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> ah, installed nginx, yeah << on top of apache again ?
Pierre_Rochard: “For people to say black lives matter, and for the crowd to shout back ‘U.S.A.,’ which is upholding a system that is oppressing black people, I think that that is problematic,”
Pierre_Rochard: “problematic” is my favorite SJW word
mircea_popescu: direct soviet translation.
mircea_popescu: << good for him.
assbot: Logged on 30-04-2015 13:00:33; pete_dushenski: apparently he has some large contracts already, something in the order of $6mn per year and no employees.
mats: sounds like an excellent scam
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00028479 = 3.9871 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: << i might have found the tensest thing i wrote on trilema. wishing goodluck to anyone who's going to write a program to tokenize this text.
assbot: Desteapta-te-n pula mea de distractie on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: the impressive and simultaneously worrying aspect of the bb-pgp biz is that the owner was a former tradesman who apparently thought to himself "hey, you know what the market needs, properly encrypted messaging!"
scoopbot_revived: News! Flirting with the prettiest girl in school. URL:
assbot: Flirting with the prettiest girl in school. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( )
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski what trade ?
pete_dushenski: i want to say... plumbing. but i'll confirm. i know someone who knows him.
mircea_popescu: so have him drop by
mircea_popescu: "This, mystical domination, is easily the prettiest girl in school. She’s the most unattainable, the most lust-worthy, the most drool-inducing" << you know what veblen goods are ?
pete_dushenski: ... i do not.
mircea_popescu: because that's what #5 does, practically : it offers a model to explain and understand the otherwise insane, and otherwise never explain, luxury behaviour.
mircea_popescu: that it explains it does NOT reduce the insanity of it however.
mircea_popescu: veblen goods are goods which exhibit reverse price relation (demand increases as price increases, as opposed to how it normally goes).
pete_dushenski: agreed about the insanity of pursuing #5, no matter how useful of a model its pursuit may prove in hindsight.
mircea_popescu: right, just because prayer worked in the past is no reason to pray.
pete_dushenski: ah so veblen goods would be like that dentist's services i was mentioning the other day.
assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 16:32:38; pete_dushenski: like the dentist who's busy when priced competitively, wants to be less busy, jacks up his prices to the highest in town, and then has his doors beaten down with customers like never before.
pete_dushenski: re: prayer, not like i'm going to go eat a loaf of bread now either just because a pizza pinged off my immunoarmour
mircea_popescu: the thng with allergies, and especiaslly in young people, is that they do go away.
mircea_popescu: that's treatment : remove the allergen, give it a few years, try a minute dose.
pete_dushenski: well the treatment seems to be working!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.0002873 = 2.126 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: i tried a corona a few months, which are supposedly as low on the gluten scale as they come for normal beers, and i puked my guts out.
mircea_popescu: (they go away for the same reason vaccine-acquired immunity goes away, ftr)
pete_dushenski: so something's improved since then
mircea_popescu: great dress, great hooters. great hooters, great dress.
assbot: ... ( )
mircea_popescu: the inseparable!
pete_dushenski: the memory b-cells don't last forever.
mircea_popescu: "When To Tell A Guy You Are Transgender by Whitey Niggerson -
mircea_popescu: >After first date and over the phone.
mircea_popescu: I agree. If you tell them upfront, they'll be weirded out. If you tell them in person, they might try to physically hurt you."
mircea_popescu: clearly, there's nothing wrong with this. everyone (else) is just mean evil and weird.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: plz foar to nuke gravatar
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: beleeting your e-mail did the trick.
ben_vulpes: pahahaha yeah okay i'll just ask you to do that every time i comment on contravex
pete_dushenski: or just you or something
mircea_popescu: since somehow scoopbot missed (hey williamdunne how's that work ?), dedicating it to nubbins` an' asciilifeform by hand.
assbot: The museum of the National Bank of Argentina on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
pete_dushenski: mebbe scoopy no like photodump ?
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Scoop was down for a while, I committed an upgrade too early
mircea_popescu: does it keep a list of what it last posted so when it comes back up it can see if there's anything new ?
williamdunne: Yes but its not persistant
williamdunne: Thats one of the upgrades I need to make
mircea_popescu: so put it in a file or something yeah
ben_vulpes: > committed an upgrade << heh
ben_vulpes: young man, you have committed an outrageous upgrade for the most serene republic!
ben_vulpes: your reward is more demands!
mircea_popescu: :D
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Basically
mircea_popescu: mike_c svg fix confirmed!
mike_c: great
mircea_popescu is so enamoured with this svg thing.
mod6 looks
mod6: Well, the lordship updates seem to be in place nicely.
mod6: :]
mircea_popescu: mike_c q : how hard would it be to enforce fixed placement on the inner circle ? i dunno how they're placed now, but how about just divide 2pi to however many people and each gets that much sector
mircea_popescu: as opposed to now where 1.05-1.1 is five people from cazalla to mats.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29400 @ 0.00028783 = 8.4622 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: hm, that might not be so clever, ends up crunching the lines instead of crunching the nodes by outside exposure.
mircea_popescu: mike_c nevermind, it's correct as it is.
mod6: I love this chart as well; are there any plans to make the name's in the graph link to the corresponding page for that user/keyid?
mike_c: mod6: maybe yes, I'm exploring that.
mod6: werd
mod6: Sorry, I don't wanna make more work for ya. It's p. awesome as is.
mike_c: not at all, suggestions and feedback are welcome
mod6: sweet, the sorting of ratings data looks great
mod6: got a link to phuctor too. \o/
mod6: i just realized i can zoom out on this... looking more and more areodynamic every day.
mod6: *aerodynamic
mod6: haha re: "assorted domestic animals"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37100 @ 0.00028328 = 10.5097 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: it's like 4k by 4k px naturally.
bagels7: As someone who is transgender I stay away from men in general. I make men angry that would rather kill me than to deal with their faggot insecurity
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38100 @ 0.00029307 = 11.166 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: how do you know it's faggot insecurity ?
lobbes: <bagels7> I stay away from men in general. << you spend time in this channel though. About 95% men from what I guess
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the original (mostly politically driven) explanation for violence against homosexuals - some sort of "homophobia" suffers a lot seeing how ALL SORTS of other sexual behaviours elicit the same violent response. such as transsexualism, or pedophilia.
mircea_popescu: obviously sexual normativity is enforced on some sort of level irrespectively of the type.
mircea_popescu: while it's true that it probably shares that source with all sorts of nuttery (religious fervor, for instance), i very much doubt the actual motivator is what's proposed, ie, "dude is secretly gay and fighting it overtly"
mircea_popescu: or else why do [mostly old women] go to church ? because they're affraid they're secretly god ?
williamdunne: Isn't violence against transsexualism also generally considered homophobia, or at least some sort of xenophobia
lobbes: probably lumped under 'hate crimes'
bagels7: [11:38] <+mircea_popescu> how do you know it's faggot insecurity ? << When I am waiting at a bus stop at 2 in the morning and a guy walks by and pretends to be waiting for the bus as an excuse to talk to me while I am merely being polite then after 15 minutes has the nerve to tell me that I deceived him when he was only being nice to get laid
mircea_popescu: williamdunne by now they've completely lost any sort of relation between words. it's just... word word word word.
mircea_popescu: bagels7 well... there's a lot of nuts out there.
bagels7: mad at himself because he couldnt tell what I was
lobbes: bagels7, that is ultimately his problem though, no? Why change your lifestyle based on others?
lobbes: in terms of avoiding people
bagels7: where as a man that was secure could admit that a trans woman is hot despite not wanting to sleep with her
mircea_popescu: lobbes let me tell you why. because if servers introduce a new response code, you're stuck either making your browser aware of it, or else put up with the constant bitching.
bagels7: I don't see how I changed my lifestyle lobbes
mircea_popescu: which is why standards committees even exist : because in any interconnected system, you're constantly stuck with
assbot: Logged on 29-04-2015 15:11:30; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu forgot e) sane person adds kludge to enable some semblance of civilization to function, creating schizoid split and opening would that bleeds complexity
mircea_popescu: and this is why the traditional statement of the objection among the wrong side of kink high is "i don't want them imposing their stuff on me".
bagels7: "sexual normativity" just comes of as heterosexual / vanilla propaganda
mircea_popescu: obviously the correct reaction would just be what i did on the meat list, ie, group all weird under a single "Weird" heading. but then obviously this irks the delusions of individuality of the individual weird involved, so there's that line of bitching.
mircea_popescu: anyway, that's the broad conflict. "being special" having been promulgated as a social good, and smashing the classification being a bona fide way to manufacture specialness, you now have the conflict of the boring who aspire to hack their way to attention vs the people who don't care about them and wish to remain able to not care about them.
mats: ;;isup
gribble: is up
mircea_popescu: it's irresolvable, for as long as a) "being special" is valued formally rather than substantially, and b) people get to make choice on the mere grounds of existing.
mircea_popescu: the good news being that neither a or b are actual things, or have any sort of hope of long term survival. just the froth of our days, soon to be gone back into the darkness that spawned them.
mircea_popescu: mats it recently changed ip, you seeing ?
lobbes: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: The museum of the National Bank of Argentina << mega-article.
ascii_field: every country should have an exhibit of its 'zimbabwean' currencies
mircea_popescu: well not many countries have this much experience with it.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the gold balance suggests that they had something like engl. 'trial of the pyx'. did they ?
mircea_popescu: i think there are some such, mostly with confederate dollars, in the us
mats: mircea_popescu: nope
mircea_popescu: yes.
ascii_field: << not only up, but running on spiffy new box supplied by mircea_popescu
assbot: Logged on 30-04-2015 16:17:09; mats: ;;isup
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 750 @ 0.00158981 = 1.1924 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41650 @ 0.00028674 = 11.9427 BTC [-] {3}
lobbes: 'The Bush administration relied more heavily on psychologists than psychiatrists or other health professionals to monitor many interrogations'
ascii_field: << check out the spikes.
assbot: SKS Keyservers: History of number of OpenPGP keys ... ( )
ascii_field: spamatronic ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu ^
lobbes: ~6,800 added on one day O.o
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00028035 = 4.5977 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1000 @ 0.00158888 = 1.5889 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1000 @ 0.00162707 = 1.6271 BTC [+] {13}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 750 @ 0.00156574 = 1.1743 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1000 @ 0.0016679 = 1.6679 BTC [+] {4}
mod6: Lady quasi-butt, depicted with all the skill and guile of somebody that's never seen one. << lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 700 @ 0.00156574 = 1.096 BTC [-]
mod6: <+ascii_field> every country should have an exhibit of its 'zimbabwean' currencies << agreed.
mod6: mircea_popescu: lot of nice pics in there thx!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00028035 = 1.0373 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i think it's because for a while they added new keys in batches ?
mircea_popescu: and re the pyx thing : argentina had a very aspirational relationship with england. kinda why the faulkland war was such a big deal, sort-of like rambunctious kid going after dad, in a sense.
mircea_popescu: << from the lulz department
assbot: Sumptuous Capital: Blog » Blog Archive » How Microsoft once again demonstrates not caring about security ... ( )
mircea_popescu: "To add insult to injury, despite the emails containing references to the aforementioned website and key, the following Microsoft announcements on July 10 and 11 were actually signed by the key 0xF0B7406D which is not referenced as a key used for current Microsoft announcements. This key actually does contain a small number of signatures from external users, but as with 0xA92965F2 none from any Microsoft employee. As t
mircea_popescu: o whether the key is authentic your guess is still as good as mine."
trinque: mircea_popescu: ran into your hierarchy of needs article by way of pete. interesting to note that at the top of maslow's was this vaguely communist "self transcendence" idea, whereas at the top of yours, the man's concept of self seems to engulf others.
mircea_popescu: entierly unsurprising huh.
trinque: what struck me is how on-point maslow's propaganda is, the exact opposite of what it should be, not some arbitrary other thing
trinque: yeah, not at all suprising
mircea_popescu: right.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31660 @ 0.00028035 = 8.8759 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !up itkin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00027599 = 6.1546 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5392 @ 0.00028676 = 1.5462 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15960 @ 0.00027599 = 4.4048 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12484 @ 0.00026961 = 3.3658 BTC [-]
jurov: !up WolfGoethe
jurov: !yp yang
jurov: !up yang
jurov: !up so
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 781 @ 0.00150876 = 1.1783 BTC [-] {19}
jurov: so must have highligh off :D
jurov: !up marteen
WolfGoethe: anyone think bitcoin peer to peer trading has alot of room for growth?
trinque: WolfGoethe: seems you do, so how?
jurov: WolfGoethe for me it's much better to trade on davout's exchange
WolfGoethe: davouts ? url ?
WolfGoethe: for example. taking to the next level. like grubhub for money
jurov: i'm not very keen on exchanging bitcoins on streets with anyone
jurov: and exposing my personal data/location to snatchers
trinque: WolfGoethe: what would the next level be?
WolfGoethe: proper peer to peer is online only. using bitcoin as the lubricant between fiancial instruments like bank deposits, wire, paypal my cash, prepaid cards, western union , domestic intnational methods etc.. and all currencies
WolfGoethe: an escrow service dressed up for the mainstream so people can hustle with their financial tools and make money trading bitcoins etc..
jurov: that usually makes the second problem worse
WolfGoethe: not really. i do it pretty anon right now... as opposed to coinbase and circle who know everything about me, other traders don;t care
WolfGoethe: i stay anon
WolfGoethe: should give folks the option to verify if they really want to for trust's sake etc.. i am sure pro traders won't mind
WolfGoethe: guess no one here is into that tho
trinque: you have to clearly define your proposal before anyone can be "into it"
jurov: WolfGoethe how do you decide if counterparty is legit?
WolfGoethe: reputation system is key
WolfGoethe: one based on positive volume and not negative. just like ebay
WolfGoethe: such a market should take care to put out video guides for each payment method trade
WolfGoethe: essentially crowd sourcing the swift network to the people. let them be the on and off ramps
WolfGoethe: my bros r working on such a project and I have really been thinking about it
trinque: reputation system should be distinct from any particular application
trinque: this is why we have the WoT
WolfGoethe: trinque that's not realsitic, decentralizing things like that is another huge project, cannot mvp such a thing. ebay has their own internal system for 20 years, works
jurov: it's completely unrealistic or just huge? can't be both
trinque: this design-by-condescension thing isn't something I get behind; that "the people" can't understand a WoT... who cares
trinque: either they can and therefore could use one distinct from an applcation, or they can't and neither works
trinque: this pressuposes that you want everyone at the table, which I don't.
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mircea_popescu: WolfGoethe it's kinda funny that someone feels compelled to pitch this sort of retardation here about every quarter.
mircea_popescu: in any case, a) ebay hasn't been around for 20 years, b) 20 years is only a long time because you're too young to be "thinking about things" and c) the notion that ebay's abomination works... AAA plus would do thinks again.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field using ebay for 17 yrs now
ascii_field: before that - as a boy - was buying/selling junk on usenet
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ascii_field: ebay was an improvement on the latter.
mircea_popescu: a webification in any case. aol-for-usenet-trades.
mircea_popescu: afaik they only got out of the mtgox business ("collectibles") cca 2005 or someshit.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the payment thing was the mega-feature
ascii_field: not having to go to shops, get 'money orders' cut, and have some semblance of insurance - appealed to people
ascii_field only ever used it for (usually, rare) electronics
mircea_popescu: i can see it.
ascii_field: ebay works well for getting 'golden toilets' for their actual market price vs the usg tentacular price
ascii_field: e.g., lightly used 'eizo' lcd for 500 instead of 1500
ascii_field: (usd)
ascii_field: virtually all of my hardware was purchased through ebay.
ascii_field: more or less a total monopoly with respect to what i use it for.
mircea_popescu: speaking of useless "platform"...
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mike_c yo, want a fiverr acct ? prolly got a coupla hundred bucks in it.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: shit's more expensive to use than heroin.
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ascii_field: incidentally, this is why i hoard hardware - because supply chain is so hit-and-miss
chetty: the issue with ebay,paypal etc. is they can and do close and freeze accounts anytime they feel like it
chetty: much like banks these days :P
ascii_field: chetty: this typically happens only to interesting people.
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mircea_popescu: ascii_field similarly, the "reputation system" works perfectly for anyone not using it.
ascii_field: the 'buy and sell only rare things' heuristic - perhaps accidentally - more or less eliminates scammers, in my experience
ascii_field: esp. when the rare things in question are not 'collectible' idiocies but obscure components
ascii_field: essentially, market 'too small to scam'
mircea_popescu: i can see it.
ascii_field: from my point of view, the whole rest of ebay is dross
mircea_popescu: which is why from my point of view the whole thing is dross. i don't buy the stuff you're talking about and why wouldn't i want to be in a shop.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: afaik you do buy it (pre-08 pc parts, etc) but through meatwot suppliers
mircea_popescu: it all flows from the whole "we can't ~private~ message if we don't have a private relationship" thing. da fuck would i be doing on "online marketplace", dunno anyone there.
ascii_field: but, for example, ebay may well become the only practical source for amd cpu where i live, once amd finally sinks
ascii_field: recall my experience trying to buy items on otc ?
mircea_popescu: amusingly : the normal cellphone "sunk". in the us. it's amply abundant and vastlyt supplied in the real world tho.
ascii_field: there is not sufficient 'mass' there for the kind of things i buy.
mircea_popescu: samsung makes some pretty excellent ones, recent model too
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: they are not entirely unobtainable in usa. just, again, have to buy online.
ascii_field: the shops only supply items 'for the cattle' - that is, most common-as-dirt and aggressively spamvertized
mircea_popescu: jit = shit.
ascii_field: aha.
ascii_field: virtually all of my tools, incidentally, come from ebay and for most of my life i could not have obtained them anywhere else.
ascii_field: (by 'from ebay' meaning, of course, brokered by ebay.)
mircea_popescu: or properly said, Жит = Шит.
ascii_field: l0lwut
mircea_popescu: :D
mircea_popescu: eggog!
ascii_field: my fave abuse: самшит (Buxus sempervirens) ~= 'someshit'
jurov: what's jit? just in time?
mircea_popescu: yeah
mircea_popescu: ascii_field in spanish, "el boj comun".
ascii_field: aha it
mod6: i think the only thing I've ever gotten off ebay was an UltraSPARC II box
jurov is ebay virgin
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: << example of item i bought on ebay. where the fuck else is it even physically possible to get one of these? sotheby's? it took 5+ yrs of searching, too
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ascii_field: (subject being the display, not the plug)
ascii_field: or this:
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mircea_popescu: and now we understand alf's real tether to the mordor lands.
mircea_popescu: he needs omidyar.
ascii_field: l0l not like it doesn't work in mongolia
ascii_field: i even bought items from ru, they came in wooden crates
mircea_popescu: it works FROM mongolia.
mircea_popescu: not TO.
mod6: haha. wow, did you ever actually try to get used to using that alf?
ascii_field: mod6: using what
jurov: yea, nobody ships to mongolia
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> it works FROM mongolia. << I've had to use my USian powers to ask sellers questions potential buyers could not ask because they were outside USia
ascii_field saw a 747 marked 'ups' in b-ar airport. so perhaps even there.
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mircea_popescu: by the way, lemme recount the fourth crusade for the benefit of the awareness-raising crowd-sourced crowd.
mod6: The "Private Eye"?
jurov: ascii_field: UPS ships everywere, but the vendors don't want to
ascii_field: jurov: most vendors will work with you if you're willing to pay the actual cost
ascii_field: i certainly do
mod6: the thing is pretty neat
ascii_field: as far as i'm concerned, historically, ebay is just this gizmo that shaves a zero off the price of the costliest things i buy. so i was never moved to care whether it is run by hitler or fueled with baby seal juice etc.
chetty: UPS ships to very happy customs agents in many places
ascii_field: hence the pogo suitcase, aha
ascii_field: i still don't understand why molestation in the post but not in the airport
ascii_field: why is one plundered and the other spared
chetty: lazy
ascii_field: but in the post - not lazy ?
ascii_field: where ups plane unloads - not lazy? but where human plane - lazy ?
ascii_field: how does this work
mod6: To read about all those other people you’ve got to buy the Professional version or even the Enterprise Edition. << lol
chetty: walking out of work with a box or two is a lot easier than a yard of paperwork in an airport
chetty: and you dont even have to process a box you never saw :P
jurov: i have long time ago won an ipod mini from ibm. ofc they sent it by post and it was clear case for customs how much such ipod costs and asked a tax
jurov: if i imported it on my bosy, what are they to do?
jurov: *body
mircea_popescu: chetty> UPS ships to very happy customs agents in many places << heh very much that
mircea_popescu: ascii_field you do not understand contemporary "man"
mircea_popescu: he's a thief, but not a robber.
mircea_popescu: he's an onanist, not a rapist.
mircea_popescu: he likes children, not women. pictures, not meat.
mircea_popescu: words, not things. certificates, not knowledge.
ascii_field: in other words lazy ?
mircea_popescu: it's a meta problem.
mircea_popescu: no, in other words mentally ill.
ascii_field: laziness or cowardice - or both ?
mircea_popescu: no, simple insanity.
mircea_popescu: and this is set to aggravate, by the way. physical presence becoming rarer and rarer and expensiver and expensiver, the necessary result of the interplay of its rarity with the above mental condition is that
mircea_popescu: well... in effect we'll all get super powers. like literal gods of mythology. "if im here everything works"
mircea_popescu: like the keeper of a bunch of slaves.
ascii_field is a bit confused here
mircea_popescu: say on an ancient galley.
ascii_field: physical presence expensive ?
ascii_field: how/why?
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> not having to go to shops <<<
mircea_popescu: what is that ? go queue at the dmv. why not ?
ascii_field: going to a shop merely to get a piece of paper is dumb, period
ascii_field: i no longer have to queue at 'dmv' either
ascii_field: (driver license sent in the post)
mircea_popescu: "my being here is more expensive than the whole fucking shop would cost to build"
ascii_field doesn't (as far as knows) have super power. possibly one has to be mircea_popescu weight class to notice this effect.
mircea_popescu: give it time.
mircea_popescu: and for the promised fourth crusade story :
mircea_popescu: so, I. a bunch of militarily powerful, intellectually naive westerners made an army to go beat up the muslims and take jerusalem.
mircea_popescu: II.a. random byzantine (militarily worthless, intellectually overpowering) entity convinces them to help him "recover" his "stolen" throne, as if the byzantines ever did anything else or anyone had a valid claim, or the possibility of a valid claim even existed in their world.
mircea_popescu: II.b. and further promised them the "pearl in heavens", a very classical device in greek gay drama (since at least the days of darius, this empty promises as a path to military glory. the greeks invented "fake it till you make it")
mircea_popescu: III. they take adrianople, and their presence alters "reality" as the greeks perceive it. so their guy is named co-emperor.
mircea_popescu: IV. the "crowdsource" revolts. this alters "reality" once more, their guy is promptly poisoned.
mircea_popescu: V. they decide to conquer the fucking city. because by now they've got an inkling of the pure filth the greeks are. so they do, and burn it, and cauterize the place.
mircea_popescu: moral : democracy is for the mentally ill ; the rewards of democracy are rape and arson, often enough delivered with the same stick.
ascii_field: promised them the "pearl in heavens" << aka 'jam tomorrow'
mircea_popescu: if dandolo had any sense they'd have plowed and salted constantinople, and sold all the women to the turks.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field there was this mildly famous gay boy of athens whose name escapes me at the moment, literally got a whole trireme detachment on unbacked promises of great pay (from persia iirc ?) and well... there they sat.
ascii_field: eco had a pretty good piece set in 4th crusade
mircea_popescu: antonio doria, before being cut down by the french at crecy, was a rather successful genoese pirate. the pirate captain's regime collapsed over his (and others) failure to pay.
mircea_popescu: (well, he tried to pay in debased coinage, anyway. caused a revolt)
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: if i were younger and more bored (really, less involved with actual things) i might consider rewriting the history of the world from the only sane perspective : as the endless "interplay" between two types of people : the sane, and the imperceptibly mentally ill.
mircea_popescu: the former try to make things, the latter try to pass of their pretenses.
mircea_popescu: this is pretty much all history to date.
ascii_field: imperceptibly ?! l0l
mircea_popescu: yeah.
mircea_popescu: nobody thinks of, say, obama as mentally ill.
mircea_popescu: he "seems fine".
ascii_field: only because 'running the asylum'
mircea_popescu: well... you know, the junkie is also imperceptibly addicted.
ascii_field: to a sane future folk, he would seem as frothingly-mad as chingis khan seems to today's liberasts
mircea_popescu: except the khan seems coldly sane.
ascii_field: to the sane.
mircea_popescu: hence the problem
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mircea_popescu: in short : those who do are dull. "i do not wish to think about these things, i have better stuff to do!!1". those who don't are insane. but who's to notice ? they themselves can't, the others can't be bothered. so... imperceptibly insane.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: ... consider rewriting the history of the world from the only sane perspective : as the endless "interplay" between two types of people : the sane, and the imperceptibly mentally ill << nietzsche, or, far better, limonov
mircea_popescu: neither of them actually played the gibbon.
ascii_field: right
ascii_field: would need serious mad hermit, to pull this one off
mircea_popescu: actually, hopefully we end up in prison, like the early soviet leadership. i'm gonna write a dictionary and a history of the world.
mircea_popescu: by the time i'm done, it's time to start butchering the powers that used to be.
mircea_popescu: check it out, my life all planned out.
ascii_field: l0l
ascii_field doesn't expect to be taken prisoner alive, but wishes mircea_popescu a jolly good meinkampfing
mircea_popescu: surely.
williamdunne: mein bit
mircea_popescu: tell you what, there's not going to be any "anastasias" out of the current imperial family.
mircea_popescu: i fully intent to ejaculate down the cut throat of every single female involved.
ascii_field: ashtrays, lampshades, aha
williamdunne: Lovely image
mircea_popescu: do things right for once.
ascii_field: the alt.tasteless term of art, iirc, was 'to squick'
mircea_popescu: honestly, my greatest regret in this life so far is that ~100k romanian ex-various state things survived the year 1990.
ascii_field: of what consequence are the muppets ?
mircea_popescu: you have no aesthetic appreciation.
ascii_field: it's rather like cutting up enemy cannon after a war, no ?
mircea_popescu: yup.
ascii_field: the cannon do not will anything
mircea_popescu: i did that, too.
mircea_popescu: i also break keyboards.
mircea_popescu: salt the fucking byzantium. after the war.
ascii_field: now this, on the whole - yes.
mircea_popescu: women off to tadjikistan, milk goats in chains for the rest of their lives
ascii_field: !s hear the lamentations
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mircea_popescu: and now, for contrast, i give you shamir.
ascii_field wonders if he missed something re: shamir
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ascii_field: last i recall, he was turned out of usa
ascii_field: is there a transcript ?
mircea_popescu: i should prolly have one made, come to think about it.
mircea_popescu: gimme a minute
mircea_popescu: anyway, watching the derp go about how "we need regulation" suddenly made me comprehend why exactly von meck actually belonged beheaded.
mircea_popescu: brilliant guy, inescapably stupid. what are you gonna do ? can't empower stupid. off to the gulag with him.
ascii_field: von meck ?
mircea_popescu: you know, the "wrecker" who was "trying to make the train tracks run down faster"
ascii_field: aha that one
mircea_popescu: framing the discussion in terms of intellectual ability is completely missing the salient points. nobody ever gets offed for being either academically smart or stupid, it's orthogonal.
mircea_popescu: the insane can either live in the camps nor not live at all, that's the problem there. sanity, not intelligence.
ascii_field: except - sometimes, the sane - to the camps.
mircea_popescu: find me this happening.
ascii_field: say 2020.
mircea_popescu: gotta be in the past eh ?
ascii_field: ... 1937?
mircea_popescu: who ?
mircea_popescu: who was sane and in a camp in 1937 ? the jews ?!
ascii_field: pretty much everyone interesting minus epsilon in su
mircea_popescu: doing what, sanely waiting for the messiah ? (the real one this time!)
mircea_popescu: everyone interesting was, sadly, not sane, in the su.
ascii_field: ok i'll bite:
mircea_popescu: the sane were pretty much either dead under the white flag, or else involved in subverting the red.
ascii_field: what'd a 'sane' korolev have looked like?
mircea_popescu: at the time ? mebbe hughes ?
ascii_field: describe hypothetical mechanism whereby he could have hughesed.
mircea_popescu: there is no requirement that graph be arbitrarily traversable.
mircea_popescu: even the translation is more than can be promised
ascii_field: probably sikorsky is better example
mircea_popescu: i'm really not enough of an expert in the field to be all that confident.
ascii_field: my observation is that escape artistry and, e.g., rocketry, are - at best - orthogonal abilities
mircea_popescu: sanity and intelligence are unrelated, yes.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: unrelated: that sks key mega-dump is in a ludicrous format - .gpg binary turds with 10,000s of pubkeys in each
ascii_field: will have to write something to cut this up
ascii_field: unless someone has just such a thing handy
jurov: gpg cannot use/export it directly?
jurov: also unrelated: today was btrfs day (drive with few subvolumes times tens of snapshots filled, i have embarked on some cleanup)
mircea_popescu: gl
jurov: kernel oopses are apparently completely sop
mircea_popescu: must be because of cpanel.
jurov: and atime/relatime + periodic snapshotting (like suse does by default) causes metadata to grow out of any bounds
mircea_popescu: as trinque will explain, this is a solved problem :
mircea_popescu: just make a record of it
mircea_popescu crowns himself as the one true troll of b-a. so there.
jurov: hahaha i got this idea you know
jurov: to make fuse filesystem to track atimes so that brtfs needs not to bother
jurov: indeed making a record of it
mircea_popescu: win.
jurov: oh and I forgot this gem:
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jurov: btrfs docs all but say that it obsoletes partition tables
jurov: you're supposed to have One pool with One filesystem
jurov: so if something happens to it, system does not deserve to go on anymore
BingoBoingo: Euthanizing Filesystem?
jurov: more like... if it commits suicide, better take everything with it
BingoBoingo: Ah, jihadi filesystem
jurov: ^this
jurov: loks like hans reiser should be released and properly armed
mircea_popescu: give the man a tank huh
jurov: just to be fair, all was resolved without data loss
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scoopbot_revived: News! Shamir's derpage URL:
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ^ transcript
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BingoBoingo: ^Some google derpage
mircea_popescu: if(document.getElementById("warning_banner")) { document.getElementById("warning_banner").remove();
mircea_popescu: heh
BingoBoingo: Seriously.remove()
BingoBoingo: !b 6
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ben_vulpes: where's my log summary gurl
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ben_vulpes: << wao
assbot: Logged on 29-04-2015 03:10:26; mircea_popescu: << check it out, apparently moore law stopped a decade ago.
williamdunne: Must've accidentally trashed the email alerting me of it
williamdunne: Did the council of elders agree to this?
ben_vulpes: where's your THz chip, williamdunne?
ben_vulpes: i'd like one just like it.
williamdunne: I'm using it to mine bitcoin in iceland
williamdunne: Its srsbznz
williamdunne: >Requests that you disable adblock
williamdunne: >Displays adverts that play noise in the background.. on a video sit
williamdunne: *site
ben_vulpes: For example, there was a famous hack that provided a means of (1) removing a cons cell from a freelist, (2) updating the freelist, and (3) branching if the freelist was exhausted to the GC... in *one instruction*. << that *is* cool
ben_vulpes: "the difference between theory and practice is, uh, larger in practice than in theory" << paul graham! whatta dood
ben_vulpes: "It was solid enough to be a serious system that had real clients who depended on it." << oh for those days, and those clients
BingoBoingo: Oh, look at this OpenSSH change: "sshd(8): UseDNS now defaults to 'no'. Configurations that match against the client host name (via sshd_config(5) or authorized_keys) may need to re-enable it or convert to matching against addresses."
assbot: OpenBSD 5.7 ... ( )
mircea_popescu: this is a good move neh ?
BingoBoingo: Yeah, Depreciate all the DNS
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform : at battle of manzikert, spy to ars aslan : "my sultan, the enemy army is approaching us". ars aslan : "then we are approaching them as well"
trinque: damn, that's a good quote.
mircea_popescu: guy's name is actually alp arslan, upon research. i misremembered.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: "deprecate"
ben_vulpes: non?
trinque: that's the one
BingoBoingo: Eh, happens
ben_vulpes: << "so, how's his english?" "pretty good, there's just this thing that happens where he occasionally says something that sounds entirely wrong and then the conversation moves on, and five minutes later I ask about it and turns out to be some throwaway joke in romanian or french or latin."
assbot: Logged on 29-04-2015 15:02:01; mircea_popescu: except my usage is np
ben_vulpes: << "law of leaky abstractions" hurts so much more in these scenarios...
assbot: Logged on 29-04-2015 15:11:30; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu forgot e) sane person adds kludge to enable some semblance of civilization to function, creating schizoid split and opening would that bleeds complexity
ben_vulpes: << iirc, my answer was "dunno, let's try"
assbot: Logged on 29-04-2015 15:32:11; mircea_popescu: at any rate, THIS is why i ask people "well, can you do it on a cpanel box" well before.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: graham << was that from the 't' article ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: he did pull a normal box out of his sleeve later. it is now operational.
mike_c: mircea_popescu: thanks, but can't imagine what I would do with it. maybe ascii wants it :)
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asciilifeform: mike_c: ugh, i don't need spamchickens for anything whatsoever
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: aha
mike_c: he'll design your circuits for you! for $5!
ben_vulpes: benefits of complaining, i suppose
ben_vulpes: dood
ben_vulpes: i could have tacos delivered for like 4 months with that
mike_c: hehe
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i have slade's 't programming language' here. mega-book. recommended.
ben_vulpes: perhaps when you come visit, bring it for an extended loan if you're done
asciilifeform: it's for historical aficionados / lisp makers only, must warn
asciilifeform: does not describe a living animal
ben_vulpes shrugs
ben_vulpes: all i am actually good for is software archaeology after all
ben_vulpes considers the eerie parallel with his mothers work
asciilifeform: what was it ?
mike_c: fiverr call girl:
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asciilifeform: how much of this exists anywhere other than the ads ?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "cultural anthropology"
ben_vulpes: as far as i can figure, guesses (liberally sprinked with CYA) about what people did, extrapolated from their middens
cazalla: i wonder how much tablet traffic is demmed mobile
ben_vulpes goes for another, smaller glass of chablis
cazalla: mt
ben_vulpes: << haw well now i hafta read it
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asciilifeform: achtung, panzers:
asciilifeform: (in case this was not clear from yesterday's thread) please -do- throw keys to .
assbot: Submit a GPG Public Key | Phuctor ... ( )
asciilifeform: as many as you like.
trinque: asciilifeform: ones that have already been phuctored or only new ones?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes lolwut ?
trinque: I recall chatter about whether the db was getting imported
asciilifeform: trinque: ones that already have been, can be retested (push button on the page)
trinque: ok
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what what?
asciilifeform: trinque: but otherwise, any
asciilifeform: (it will tell you if key has been seen before, also)
asciilifeform: or if individual moduli have been
asciilifeform: ... or their factors.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes meanwhile i figured it out. you were quoting teh fox missus
ben_vulpes: close, but other meat
mircea_popescu: mike_c this, imo, sums up the general utility of "revolutionary websites". people don't want accounts on them even if given away with 200 dollars worth of credit attached.
asciilifeform: i can imagine that -someone- wants
asciilifeform: just not me
mircea_popescu: because they actually are a much larger damage than that. sort-of like insanity.
mircea_popescu: "would you like aids for 200 bucks ?" "noty"
cazalla: tyrone is the best fiverr merchant btw
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform or mike_c or anyone sane in the fucking head. or over the age of 30.
asciilifeform: i don't need 200 worth of caltrops either
asciilifeform: doesn't mean they're entirely useless
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how about half caltrops half bleach
ben_vulpes: i can put caltrops to work
ben_vulpes: and bleach
asciilifeform: now that - must.
asciilifeform: two tastes that go great together (TM) (R)
ben_vulpes: heh
ben_vulpes: yeah
ben_vulpes: this asshat on the road today rolled up behind myself and some staff on bikes, HONKED LOUDLY, and then moved into the (empty) oncoming traffic lane to pass us
trinque: ben_vulpes: was probably me, sorry!
trinque: :D
ben_vulpes: when i caught up to him at the stop light at the top of the hill, he had his phone out and was recording my endless tirade of abuse
ben_vulpes: naw ive seen your car it pollutes less and you're not nearly as fat as this old sack of shit
trinque: lol
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> achtung, panzers: << dawg i thought you were going to PUT THE ARCHIVE THROUGH IT ALREADY!!!1eleventyeleven
ben_vulpes: yeah where are the bunk keys hm?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: << see also
assbot: Logged on 30-04-2015 22:20:33; ascii_field: unrelated: that sks key mega-dump is in a ludicrous format - .gpg binary turds with 10,000s of pubkeys in each
ben_vulpes: arbeit macht frei
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes is volunteering for this chore ?
ben_vulpes: naw i have vino at hand and girls waiting at home
mircea_popescu: yeah, he is. he's volunteering you.
asciilifeform: l0l
ben_vulpes: the shop is empty so i'm drinking and naked
ben_vulpes: well not naked but close
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: people can be naked in the us ?
asciilifeform: why ben_vulpes is sitting in an empty shop ?
mircea_popescu: i thought you folk shower in the bag.
asciilifeform: rather than at home where there are chicks
ben_vulpes: because there are two monitors and one of the chicks isn't there yet and this wine isn't going to drink itself nor these logs read themselves
asciilifeform: 'tell mistress you're with wife, tell wife you're with mistress, go to lab, get some werk done' (tm) ?
ben_vulpes: p. much.
ben_vulpes: first the boxen, then and only then the chixxen
mircea_popescu: what do you call a wino in portland ?
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mircea_popescu: a vino.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: electronics hack night has been scheduled
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes built his adapter ?
ben_vulpes: nah, i have delegated the adapter to be brought to my face
ben_vulpes: myriad hackers are salivating over rocket
ben_vulpes: rocketplane*
asciilifeform: l0l essentially a dollar-store part
asciilifeform: (were it made in the usual way)
ben_vulpes: but this comes with provenance
ben_vulpes: i trust you, they trust me
asciilifeform: incidentally i ordered a tray baked today.
ben_vulpes: no microcontrollers on the board...
asciilifeform: (more detail in coming broadcast)
ben_vulpes: << i actually get visuals of mircea_popescu's face when i see ":D" from him nao
assbot: Logged on 29-04-2015 19:27:52; mircea_popescu: << sometimes it fixes itself :D
mircea_popescu: lol.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: seems like everyone i've spoken to thinks i oughta have bought the bayonet, luger, helmet, etc.
cazalla: <<< but adblock is theft!
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ben_vulpes: << uh can i get a copy of the source and possibly some docs?
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ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: sorry, do not follow
asciilifeform: at the flea market
ben_vulpes: ahaha
ben_vulpes: well what do they know
ben_vulpes: "more intertia is better!"
mircea_popescu: that's why bigger penis is better rite ?
asciilifeform: what i wonder is whether there are any 'krauts' left there or merely their gear.
ben_vulpes: and how much of that gear is even genuinely kraut
Pierre_Rochard: ben_vulpes: docs are forthcoming, I’ve added you to the repo:
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ben_vulpes: ah jeez
ben_vulpes: what have i done
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cazalla: <<< soz but i do this, get off the road, can' t expect everyone to drive 30km/ph in a 60 zone because muh bikes
assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 00:43:28; ben_vulpes: this asshat on the road today rolled up behind myself and some staff on bikes, HONKED LOUDLY, and then moved into the (empty) oncoming traffic lane to pass us
ben_vulpes: "pick yourself a kitten and listen to a platter...that rocks!"
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cazalla: oncoming traffic lane is fine to use as an overtaking lane too, law allows for it but even without that..
ben_vulpes: no but the point is that the lane was entirely empty, so why fucking honk
ben_vulpes: just go around.
asciilifeform on narrow streets often wonders how much fuel enviro-bicyclists waste by slowing down columns of motor
cazalla: ben_vulpes, i dunno but most cyclists are passive aggressive pricks may as well join in with the honking
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: probably makes things better by reducing the "GO FAST NOW BRAKE AND WASTE ALL KE NOW HURRY UP AND ACCELERATE MYRIAD TONNES OF PLASTIC AGAIN" dynamic
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes nobody actually likes hipsters.
mircea_popescu: go by atomic submarine helicopter or go home.
asciilifeform: !b 2
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asciilifeform: submacopter.
ben_vulpes: did you duct tape the submarine part to the heli part?
mircea_popescu: ITS ATOMIC
mircea_popescu: self-welds.
ben_vulpes: he's been derping on cpanel, i can see.
asciilifeform: bwwwwtzzz. (7Hz 'brown note' speaker on any decent atomic dirigible.)
asciilifeform: !s brown note
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mircea_popescu: afaik brown note for us legion etrangere is "isis"
ben_vulpes: Pierre_Rochard: ever derp on "Manager"?
ben_vulpes: it's what we use at sj - can be beaten into whatever absurd demand i make of $bizpartner
Pierre_Rochard: ben_vulpes: nope, hadn’t heard of it, checking it out now
Pierre_Rochard: looks sleek
ben_vulpes: << you probably grok entirely the advantage of that "tiny little keyboard" over touchscreens
assbot: Logged on 30-04-2015 13:42:00; mircea_popescu: on that litthe shitty keyboard ?
mircea_popescu: sure.
ben_vulpes: << asciilifeform: the lotto tixx!
assbot: Logged on 30-04-2015 14:12:57; mircea_popescu: because that's what #5 does, practically : it offers a model to explain and understand the otherwise insane, and otherwise never explain, luxury behaviour.
asciilifeform: #5 aka 'the gods smile'
asciilifeform: but afaik most veblenism comes from misguided attempts to sate #1-4.
ben_vulpes: can i skip the whole WolfeGoethe thread?
mircea_popescu: you prolly read it before.
ben_vulpes: << heh. seems familiar, but the details are new
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ben_vulpes: kudos a danielpbarron
Pierre_Rochard: ben_vulpes: not seeing how to customize manager, looks proprietary
ben_vulpes: oh entirely
ben_vulpes: this however is how management works
ben_vulpes: "beat that thing into submission and deliver what i've asked for"
asciilifeform: << missing element 'atomic dirigible'
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danielpbarron: i didn't make the thing / found on twitter
mircea_popescu: ahaha "unicorn polyamory" ?
asciilifeform: l0l what even.
mircea_popescu: gtfo, reddit. you don't get to classify the things other people do.
Pierre_Rochard: I’ll definitely be taking pointers from it, but end goal is tight integration with bitcoin wallets & APIs, and leaning on pgsql as much as possible. That’s what made greenfield a necessity
Pierre_Rochard: ^ ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: Pierre_Rochard: nono ofc
ben_vulpes: asking out of curiosity
Pierre_Rochard: thanks for the tip though, definitely one of the rare accounting packages I didn’t find immediately revolting
ben_vulpes: great thing about -assets is the "rewrite everything" option
danielpbarron fits in with the blue rectangle in the top right excluded from the overlapping
ben_vulpes: it's actually halfway decent
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: it's missing the dune/WoT polyamory
ben_vulpes: oh hey here's a notion
ben_vulpes: !s robert jordan
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ben_vulpes: aha
ben_vulpes: epic mega series
asciilifeform: it is also missing the reddit category
ben_vulpes: yeah where is the voluntary celibacy box?
asciilifeform: 'voluntary-compulsory', to borrow a sovietism
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron i can vouch for the fact that the classification's nonsensical by the plain observation that i'm all over the fucking map.
mircea_popescu: it looks like the elephant three people found in a dark room.
ben_vulpes: it's like one of those lolarious meyers briggs thing
ben_vulpes: anyone with two neurons rubbing together can make it barf whatever rating zhe desire
asciilifeform: the elephant three people found in a dark room << except that it isn't a whole elephant, but just head, minus tusks, left by poachers
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well sure.
mircea_popescu: there was no integrity promise made at any point.
mircea_popescu: ""the elephant" they found"
mircea_popescu: anyway, i will say for the record that all this "typficiation" bullshit, from the ntjx to the mti to everything else is ~strictly~ the result of lazy writing.
asciilifeform: !s borges encyclopaedia
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ben_vulpes shutters lab
mircea_popescu: harlan e has a piece where he explains how people like hubbard were optimizing their workflow by - for instance - typing on rolls of butcher paper so as to not waste time changing sheets in typewriter
ben_vulpes: goodnight asshats
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: scrolling!
ben_vulpes: aha this one
mircea_popescu: this exact process is at work here - it becomes much easier to write the sort of pulp cultureless usians call "novels" by proceeding on one of these accounting paradigms
ben_vulpes really parts
mircea_popescu: practically speaking, commedia de larte
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: all of it being merely - early manually-cranked shannonizers.
mircea_popescu: poorly-er done. meanly-er done, actually, in the classical sense of mean ("of mean extraction")
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly.
mircea_popescu: so... it's only useful if you're making two cents a word writing "young adult fiction" or whatever other "genre" bullshit, and need shorthand to keep track of your "characters"
mircea_popescu: of course contemporary usage is unpaid shanonizers (such as, reddit users), increasing the volume and decreasing the cost of their misrepresentations of their own social interactions.
mircea_popescu: which is technically a step below on the literary scale. i await with bated breath the next step underwater.
danielpbarron: the author of sex-diagram -> "This is the home of Franklin Veaux, a writer, computer consultant, polyamory and BDSM activist, sex educator, and sometimes amateur photographer. Over the years, I've built a more or less inadvertent Web empire, and this is the page that brings all my various Web sites together."
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for some time, i've wondered about earliest surviving example of shannonizer
asciilifeform: currently i believe it to be athanasius kircher's 'arca musarithmica'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you ever read the torah ?
asciilifeform: sure. nothing directly analogous in there iirc
mircea_popescu: you gotta be kidding me.
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mircea_popescu: "and then herpderp had perpmerp who lived to 105
mircea_popescu: and then perpmerp had foobar who lived to 103
mircea_popescu: and then..."
asciilifeform: sure, but that's a trivial example
mircea_popescu: soooo ?
asciilifeform: no mechanization, even of the 'napier's bones' variety, required.
asciilifeform: shannonizer necessarily includes some element of automation.
asciilifeform: (a schizo gibbering idiocy is not a shannonizer)
asciilifeform: any more than an expert swimmer is by implication a boat.
asciilifeform: re: this question i am interested in learning who was the first 'sailor' and what was his 'boat'.
mircea_popescu: hm.
mircea_popescu: astrology.
asciilifeform: presently i think it to be kircher.
asciilifeform: hm now that mircea_popescu mentions astrology,
mircea_popescu: srsly alf, shanonizing is a very old usage of language.
asciilifeform: probably the mega-winner of 'earliest' is chinese i-ching.
mircea_popescu: it drove it, in paralel with expression.
asciilifeform: (earliest surviving)
mircea_popescu: language is not the result of a single force, but of two, driving it in that left-right manner of driving splits in wood.
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: brb
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is right about this - i invite readers to look into the basic types of aphasia
asciilifeform also brb
danielpbarron wrote a few I Ching divination pages in javascript
danielpbarron: !up bocobit
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron isn't that witchcraft ?
BingoBoingo: For shame, 768 bit RSA key from 2002
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danielpbarron: not sure what it counts as, but I'm not into that stuff anymore / burned my yarrow stalks and books on i ching and tao te ching etc
danielpbarron: and the scripts are not hosted anywhere, although copies may still exist in a backup tar somewhere
mircea_popescu: Moduli Waiting for Test: 0 / me likes
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BingoBoingo: lolmail address
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mircea_popescu: poor guy
mod6: haha
BingoBoingo is braintired, handfeeding phuctor
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo srsly, script it
mircea_popescu: not something to do by hand
mircea_popescu: scripting is also not hard. curl will do post calls
BingoBoingo: It's a kind of targeted subset of keys I'm feeding and there aren't too many
mircea_popescu: aite.
danielpbarron: mod6, "The Bitcoin Foundation would like bestow our sincerest thanks and gratitude" << like to* bestow ?
mod6: ah derp
mod6: well, at least im consistant. :] looks that way in all of
mod6: 'em
mod6: anyway, thanks, i'll update on the next months address.
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> Moduli Waiting for Test: 0 / me likes << read werker.c to see how works.
decimation: <
assbot: Logged on 30-04-2015 22:03:49; mircea_popescu: brilliant guy, inescapably stupid. what are you gonna do ? can't empower stupid. off to the gulag with him.
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decimation: < I have a small collection of weimar paper
assbot: Logged on 30-04-2015 16:21:53; ascii_field: every country should have an exhibit of its 'zimbabwean' currencies
decimation: asciilifeform: < " Nevertheless, this means that when you buy a computer, you are playing "DIMM" (and motherboard) roulette . You have something like one chance in three to ten of getting a computer that will experience memory errors at the frightening frequencies (one every few days) that I talked about but attributed to cosmic rays, and that AMD talks about in their whitepaper . "
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decimation: ^good link for "why ecc" n00bs
asciilifeform: the fact that so many folks appear to get away with using non-ecc ram is proof that almost nothing that is presently done using pc, actually matters
decimation: although it seems that the cosmic rays might not be the major/primary cause of issues
asciilifeform: and/or that defects therein are successfully buried in the microshit sewers
decimation: asciilifeform: I was looking for a non-golden-toilet laptop with ecc today
decimation: doesn't exist
asciilifeform: decimation: it's far more often radioactive decay in the materials of which the machine itself is made
asciilifeform: rather than cosmic-anything
decimation: yeah that's the old-school explanation
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decimation: supposedly back when ram cells were larger (larger targets) the ram manufacturers took care to ensure that their cases were low alpha emitters
decimation: and also sealed the silicon in a layer of protective coating
decimation: anyway, given how cheap and easy it is to use ecc ram, it does seem rather laughable that folks don't use
asciilifeform: << related (2nd post from end)
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asciilifeform: re: how, famously, semiconductor folks used to buy up medieval lead roofs from cathedrals, etc. to get low-rad material
decimation: there are some links to industry papers written mainly in the 70's-80's
asciilifeform: mention of xilinx is especially on the point because a bit-flip in fpga routing fabric is catastrophic
asciilifeform: almost without exception.
decimation: strangely no one even seems to think of this as being an issue anymore
decimation: heh yeah certainly would be
asciilifeform: it 'doesn't matter' because the 'people' sitting on the machines don't matter.
asciilifeform: you can take this to the bank.
decimation: certainly a strong argument
asciilifeform: also note that pb was forbidden
asciilifeform: (now we get tin whiskers, joy)
asciilifeform: again, because 'the result doesn't matter' is the secret thought.
asciilifeform: for machines that matter - usg jet fighters, etc. - not only pb but enviro-whiner 'atrocities' like halon are permitted.
decimation: yeah
asciilifeform: there is probably a tank of mortal baby seal tears in an f-22. etc
decimation: and 'big iron' servers have ecc, raid as standard features
asciilifeform: i consider a box without ecc and some level of redundant storage - a toy, not computer
decimation: I took a cpr class today, relatively simple AED electronics cost > $1k
asciilifeform: golden toilet.
decimation: partially for the liability, but partially also because the design is actually expected to work
asciilifeform: go price a 'medical grade' power supply. just ac-dc brick, any voltage.
decimation: heh yeah. same for anything on an aircraft
asciilifeform: it is a function of the expected net worth of the purchaser
asciilifeform: and has nothing whatsoever to do with physical internals
decimation: well, more like a function of the probability of being sued for arbitrary liability
asciilifeform: decimation: where did the 'breathalyzer' lawsuit go?
asciilifeform: magicked away.
decimation: for example:
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decimation: " for example. If we take the last five minutes of flight as critical due to the proximity to the ground, the lawsuit essentially says that it is more likely that a 1 in 756,000 probability event occurred (engine shutdown during a randomly selected five-minute block of operation time) than that a pilot with virtually no turbine experience or experience with the MU-2 crashed the notoriously tricky airplane through pilot error. "
asciilifeform: re: servers: it is interesting to consider what kind of reliability mechanics would be standard (like ecc is) if microshit and unix did not exist to make a gigantic software shitter in which to hide hardware flukes
asciilifeform: 'tandem' voting circuits, etc. would probably be SOP
asciilifeform: (if -any- failure could be reliably pinned on softs)
asciilifeform: hards, rather
decimation: actually, much more sophisticated techniques exist
decimation: somehow hard drives are allowed to have their own computers, so they implement advanced ldpc codes
asciilifeform: all such techniques are fundamentally and provably variations on same theme
decimation: sure. somehow ram didn't escape the reach of the microshit von neumann machine, but hard disk did
asciilifeform: (or scams, of course. no shortage of this)
asciilifeform: hard disk is running turdware since when, '04 ?
asciilifeform: there are known bugs in hdd firmware
asciilifeform: (not even speaking of satanic influence here)
decimation: sure, but it's not directly visible, unlike cpu/ram interface
asciilifeform: quite visible when they drop out of a raid for no discernible reason
asciilifeform: and then happily pop back in
decimation: heh yeah raid controllers are their own world if crazy too
decimation: does there exist a completely open firmware for a raid controller?
asciilifeform: not afaik.
decimation: yeah I've never hear of it either
asciilifeform: nor is any raid chipset, afaik, documented to anything like the necessary level.
asciilifeform: (go put one through disasm, if you can figure out the architecture. it's a morass of magical values being written to magical registers for magical reasons)
asciilifeform: ditto nics, gpu, etc.
asciilifeform: the whole shit soup.
asciilifeform: but i think this is, at this point, known to virtually everyone.
decimation: and also try moving the drives from one controller to another (even same make and model)
asciilifeform: << mega-l0l
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decimation: they hardly look like baltimore residents
asciilifeform: new york
asciilifeform: 'solidarity'
decimation: lol
asciilifeform: speaking of 'cryptome',
asciilifeform: the whole snowden thing seems to have been quietly multiplied by 0, and nobody noticed.
decimation: asciilifeform: apparently the story was suddenly uninteresting
asciilifeform: certainly uninteresting, when no new papers
decimation: the interesting point will be to see if anyone even mentions it in the presidential campaign
asciilifeform: they can mention what they want:
asciilifeform: j. carter promised to 'reveal' aliens at 'area-51' in his campaign.
asciilifeform: !s if you ask again there will be problems
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asciilifeform: ^ the legend
BingoBoingo: If I recall Clitler in the 1990's promised to press her husband to do similar
decimation: < more lol "Near the burned-out CVS, Robert Wilson, a college student who went to high school in Baltimore, said: “With the riots, we’re not trying to act like animals or thugs. We’re just angry at the surroundings, like this is all that is given to us, and we’re tired of this, like nobody wants to wake up and see broken-down buildings. They take away the
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decimation: community centers, they take away our fathers, and now we have traffic lights that don’t work, we have houses that are crumbling, falling down.”"
asciilifeform: decimation: this specific idiocy was articulated as early as 1952 in ellison's 'invisible man'
decimation: "this is all that is given to us"
asciilifeform: in, iirc (school was long ago) specifically these wordfs
asciilifeform: *words
asciilifeform: to chimp (of whatever colour upholstery) his surroundings merely 'happen' to him, they are 'given', yes.
asciilifeform: or 'taken away'
decimation: and apparently any unwanted changes can easily be explained by the evil conspiracy of 'they'
asciilifeform: t. dalrymple (see logs) had many wonderful stories of his patients (he was a prison shrink for some years) who saw police, judges, etc. as malevolent martians persecuting them 'for no reason at all'
decimation: this is a common failure mode even for folks outside jail
decimation: of course, the deep expectation is that the world ought to be a red carpet, upon which said paranoid ought to be able to trample at leisure
BingoBoingo: decimation: In East St Louis there are Stop Signs mounted to the traffic control lights
asciilifeform: decimation: paranoia is not really the magic here, in most cases - more like standard narcissism as painted by tlp
decimation: yeah, good point
decimation: BingoBoingo: is there even much traffic there?
BingoBoingo: decimation: lots
asciilifeform: 'in a bad neighbourhood, what specifically is bad? is it the concrete, glass, steel?' -- ilkka kokkarinen
decimation: < "Of course, another thing is that most people who can leave have left. And so, in these pockets, how can you have good community relations when a substantial number of people are actively or passively involved in crime? I think there are a lot of cops that just say, “Fuck ‘em, they want burn their neighborhood, let ‘em.” But on the other hand, the cops are out there
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decimation: putting their lives on the line to save their city."
decimation: BingoBoingo: apparently the wise masters who run east st. louis have better things upon which to spend their tax dollars/bonds/whatever
decimation: couple $10k for a traffic light just doesn't rate
asciilifeform: 'A former Baltimore cop explains things: ... The same idiots who burned shit down Monday, they’re gonna be there today and tomorrow. The cops are always dealing with them, whether they’re burning things down or not. They’re always there.'
asciilifeform: ^ betcha many of these cops would -love- to close a perimeter around these snakepits and shoot everything that moves, for sport.
decimation: sure
asciilifeform: the folks currently preventing them from acting on this desire - are the actual rulers.
decimation: "We tell them to do the best they can, and then when an individual cop messes up, everybody blames the police. And cops feel strangely victimized by this system — they’re put in the middle and used as political tools."
asciilifeform: we will know when usg falls, when this magical barrier disappears.
decimation: asciilifeform: quite so, high level civil servants, press, etc
asciilifeform: decimation: nah. the federal gendarmerie
decimation: ^warning to people who want to enter the us police chumpatron
decimation: asciilifeform: what composes the 'federal gendarmerie'? fbi?

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