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mircea_popescu: hmmm... who used to run <[]bot> ?
mircea_popescu: ;;seen <[]bot>
gribble: Error: "" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: ;;seen []bot
gribble: Error: "" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: ;;seen \[\]bot
gribble: Error: "\" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: ;;seen "[]bot"
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mircea_popescu: williamdunne hey, wanna add bitbet reporting to the scoopbot_revived activity ?
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assbot: Logged on 07-05-2015 02:26:56; decimation: van Rossum and the other volunteer developers enjoy.” "
mircea_popescu: and speaking of which, judging by how using things made by other people is going, i guess bitcoin will be its own language before this dustball settles.
mircea_popescu: << stuff like pointing RF sources at it, probably most interesting.
assbot: Logged on 07-05-2015 02:48:00; ben_vulpes: ofc ofc
mircea_popescu: "'round, red, right, ridge' " has no hits in google. do tell this story ?
assbot: Logged on 07-05-2015 02:51:45; decimation: my grandpa taught me 'round, red, right, ridge' - the 'hot' poem
decimation: I donno, he just told me that's what I should remember for the hot, power, + side
assbot: Mike the Crypto Goat | Exploring Internet security, crypto and civil liberties. ... ( )
assbot: S.NSA - Cardano pricing, other statements on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
assbot: Greenhouse gas benchmark reached ... ( )
mircea_popescu: im not gonna read that. tldr ?
decimation: co2 reached 400 ppm on the top of the hawaii volcano
decimation: apparently the new approach to sound science is to pr datapoints as they happen
decimation: I misremembered my grandfather's saying:
assbot: Tip and ring - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( )
decimation: "ring-right-red-ridge"
decimation: he was a telephoneman
decimation: < assuming 5 character words plus space, that would be 255 wpm
assbot: Logged on 30-04-2015 03:49:15; mircea_popescu: "I have typed an average of 21.3 keystrokes per second" eh gtfo.
decimation: actually very good stenographers can achieve that
decimation: but they are 'typing shorthad'
mircea_popescu: keystrokes. he said keystrokes.
decimation: shorthand
decimation: yeah exactly
decimation: not possible
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mircea_popescu: yeah, im aware really good scientists can listen to a two hour lab report, write down three lines and then reproduce it exactly.
mircea_popescu: so what, 5400 wpm
BingoBoingo: Also while rotating
decimation: even the Victorians only had reaction times of around 100 ms
decimation: I submit a human doing anything that involves any degree of thought at a rate of greater than 10 per second is neigh impossible
mircea_popescu: depends how structurable it is , see ?
decimation: maybe he was only typing the letter 'a'
decimation: or asdfjkl;
mircea_popescu: if the discussion revolves around a tree five levels deep, with on average five leaves per branch, this is readily 3k items being discussed.
mircea_popescu: a simple serial iteration of "x as expected y as expected" can be followed and remembered momentarily.
mircea_popescu: a lot of science works exactly like this.
decimation: yes, but I thought that you couldn't model language in this way
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the massive savings of mental energy this relative approach offers is why we even have scientific paradigms in the first place
mircea_popescu: their absence, on the other hand, is why gentoo sucks.
mircea_popescu: that list of defaults is what makes or breaks any intellectual endeavour.
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mircea_popescu: decimation scientific language specifically.
mircea_popescu: it deliberately and constructively is NOT natural language.
decimation: because to go over the list of all assumptions made before saying anything would prevent anyone from doing anything
mircea_popescu: << here's me lambasting romanioan "linguists" (they don't actually exist, just a buncha pretenders filling a void). sadly in romanian
assbot: Hai sa studiem gramatica impreuna on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
mircea_popescu: the important bit for this convo being "nimeni nu are timp sa citeasca textele de specialitate cu ochi, uimiri si viteza de incepator, cu atentie si migala si "oare ce-a vrut sa spuna autorul" la fiecare cuvant. Nu-i fictiune, nu-i roman, e text stiintific, si se citesc cate zece mii de pagini pe an minim. Pentru a sustine eficienta muncii in stiinta se folosesc anumite cuvinte si structuri fixe ale caror sensuri se de
mircea_popescu: zbat amplu, se fixeaza definitiv, si apoi toti participantii la discutie le folosesc exact. Folosiri creative creeaza confuzie, si sunt de fapt principala bariera intre profesionisti si amatori in orice domeniu. Atunci esti admis ca profesionist in orice disciplina cind lumea considera ca ti se poate oferi increderea ca nu vei folosi niciodata, nicicand, niciunde, nici un termen de arta in sens impropriu. De asta se fa
mircea_popescu: c patru ani de scoala la drept si opt ani de scoala la medicina, creativitatea prost aplicata poate costa vieti, darima poduri, nenoroci destine. E INTERZISA."
mircea_popescu: nobody has time to read specialty text with beginner's eyes, wonderments and speed, with care and dedication and "i wonder what the author meant" every word. it's not fiction, it's not a novel, its science, you read ten thousand pages a year minimum.
mircea_popescu: to support work efficiency in science there are employed certain words and fixed structures, whose meanings are amply debated, definitivwely fixated and then every participant uses them exactly. creative usage creates confusion, and are in fact the main barrier between the pro and the amateur in any field.
mircea_popescu: at that point you are admitted as aprofessional in any discipline, when people consider that you may be trusted to never, ever, anywhere, use a term of art improperly. this is why they do four years' law and eight years' medical school, creativity malaplied can cost lives, topple bridges, destroy destinies. IT IS FORBIDDEN.
decimation: yes, which is why any profession worth a shit has a comprehensive specialty dictionary for exactly this reason
mircea_popescu: << reading through this list was an adventure. first (caffeine bit, autogenerated code subnode) i suspected the guy was simply reiserfs insane. by the time i got to zynga...
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mircea_popescu: srsly, "not evil but good" "not reddit as much" ? incredible how stupid forms fucking stupid crystals.
mircea_popescu: decimation yep.
decimation: yeah with nutzos like that in their corner, python 3 is going to the moon!
mircea_popescu: the point stil lremains tho. "stop trying to build your company out of our fucking hobby. hire some engineers, fucking cheapskates."
mircea_popescu: harlan's monologue comes to mind.
mircea_popescu: "“They want everything for nothing. They wouldn’t go for five seconds without being paid. And they’ll bitch about how much they’re paid, and want more. I should do a freebie for Warner Brothers? What, is Warner Brothers out with an eye patch and a tin cup on the street? Fuck, no."
mircea_popescu: further in defense of the nuts : "Nick Coghlan’s document should really be a required citation for any article advancing a new course for Python, because nobody is going to take you seriously if you don’t address" << this is very sensible.
mircea_popescu: "you want to talk about X, you fail to cite and address Y, you are thereby a kook, go away"
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ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu and others interested in entropic information: what stats about generated entropy are useful? if i need to shoop my entropy over to gentoo i can, but if that's not necessary (for dieharder tests) i'd like to avoid it
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you read the report i published on this ?
ben_vulpes: i have two s.nsa reports up on my screen right now
assbot: Cardano : Xmas blown, other statements on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
ben_vulpes: "Xmas blown..." and "Unsorted collection"
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mircea_popescu: a decent approach is to compare your dataset to other datasets, especially ones obtained through different means
mircea_popescu: ( does atmospheric noise, fermilab does decay, etc)
decimation: fourmilab
ben_vulpes: "we had the file ent'd every 100kb" << which is to say you split the file on 100kb line and ent'd each?
decimation: < "Why wasn’t I consulted? Technically, even the core developers weren’t consulted: Python 3 happened because the creator of the language, Guido van Rossum, wanted it to happen, and Google paid for him to devote half of his working hours to leading the development effort."
assbot: Python 3 Q & A — Nick Coghlan's Python Notes 1.0 documentation ... ( )
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yes
mircea_popescu: decimation right you are.
mircea_popescu: decimation hey, guy owns it.
decimation: note that this is the opposite of the earlier defense (it's his hobby)
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes another aproach, but entirely for someone looking to sink a lifetime into this, is examining the failures (iirc there were a couple in there). see if any way to leverage this
decimation: His boss told him he had to, you see. Everything will be better if you accept unicode into your heart
mircea_popescu: decimation they lack the proper words to express themselves. what they mean is that it his private, sovereign domain, and he does whatever the fuck he likes, and anyone who doesn't care for it can go dangle.
decimation: sure, but at the pain of making himself look like a retard when he goes off and does something retarded in the name of his domain
mircea_popescu: exactly at that pain.
mircea_popescu: "With the long transition to “Python 3 by default” still in progress, the question is occasionally raised as to whether or not the core Python developers are acting as reasonable stewards of the Python language. "
decimation: I'll hand it to him, the guy is verbose
mircea_popescu: this is a non-issue. there's no homesteading in software. some derps using X language don't acquire some sort of "rights", just like gavin, that "bitcoin chamber of commerce" pageant chick or max keiser did not acquire any sort of property over bitcoin by derping on the margins of it with abandon.
mircea_popescu: moreover, i don't get the following sort of nonsense : "One solution is to fork Python 2.7, and continue developing the language, adding features in a backwards compatible way so large, unportable (due to financial constraints) Python 2 applications can continue to evolve and improve and bring value to the people and companies that invested so much time developing them. "
decimation: ah but the implicit threat: "What would it take to make you change your minds about the current plan? An important thing to understand for anyone hoping to convince the core development team to change direction in regards to Python 3 development and promotion is to know that mere words aren’t enough, it’s going to take action. That action is defined in PEP 404: creating a Python 2.8 release (under a different name, however, since
decimation: Python refers specifically to the language versions endorsed by the core development team) and convincing people to use it."
decimation: You can't use the word Python! We have rights!
mircea_popescu: this reads very brokenly to my eye, for many reasons, such as : a) people who can't afford things get no voice. this is what "financial reasons" means : shut the fuck up and go home. if you are poor, you aren't a person.
mircea_popescu: b) why exactly is the expected "developing" ? afaik, a language should be set in stone. if this is the view entertained, what "evolution" the fuck do they wish ? if this isn't the view contemplated, why are they not on 3 yet!
mircea_popescu: c) if people and companies invested time in shit that doesn't offer them a roi, this means they are stupid and should be punished. in no case does it mean they should get some compensatory candy.
decimation: yes, the whole document reads as a retroactive justification for guido's missteps. "no no, you see it was a clever strategy to release python 3 in a way that made it seem that it sucked ass."
mircea_popescu: decimation the quote was from some "python is killing python" post.
decimation: maybe this stuff should be added to the various grounds for a google fiduciary lawsuit
mircea_popescu: anyway, i don't get it. if the language was good, who cares about a fork ? it can be ignored like gavincoin, or burned to the ground at that. if the language sucked, then well... ?
mircea_popescu: decimation if they don't have the balls to step all over the "pep" and "rights" of the "core team" and do whatever they will, they probably don't have the strength to matter anyway.
decimation: yeah this is a good point. and it gives more ammunition to the idea that if one is using python, one should consider stepping away
mircea_popescu: i dunno that it makes any difference, really. if one is using python (or anything else) correctly, they pick something, and stick with it.
mircea_popescu: for instance : ubuntu sucks ass, especially the new versions, and the early ones. nevertheless, i use 10.04 as an easement / windows halfway house for all sorts of people.
mircea_popescu: this is unlikely to EVER change. i tried to move it to gentoo but the attempt burned, toppled and sunk into the swamp.
mircea_popescu: so why do i care what ubuntu does ? i got the 10.04 burned. it's mine. forgetaboutit!
decimation: it goes back to what asciilifeform was complaining about re: drivers. You are gonna have to buy new hardware at some point, and then you are going to have to rev everything to support it
mircea_popescu: i kinda doubt i will ever again buy new hardware.
mircea_popescu: unless they make wetware cpus, stuff's good as is.
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mircea_popescu: note for instance that the various "emergency problem - update required" stuff is in NEW-ish versions. like, heartbleed ? ubuntu 10.04 was fine. 12.04 ? owned.
decimation: well, if you can live on a hardware baseline, then you have the luxury of clamping down on software upgrade shit
mircea_popescu: for that matter, gnupg 1.4.x works just fine, and come to think about it the pogos are being raped with software that's a decade old.
decimation: note, this is exactly how any 'adult' program works: they were flying 80's era cpus in the space shuttle for the entire program because that was the baseline, and the software worked
mircea_popescu: yup. i am well aware.
decimation: same with aircraft, etc. nobody feels the need to 'upgrade' how a 777 works internally. you want new avionics? buy a new plane
mircea_popescu: of course by now they prolly do java everything and upgrade weekly.
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mircea_popescu: which is why they lose planes.
decimation: heh yeah probably do
mircea_popescu: "where did it go ?" "oh, to the land of the jellybeans"
decimation: although boeing is a famous 'ada' shop. but they probably outsource that shit too
decimation: < "In 2005 and 2006, a former Great Engine company, Boeing, sold 350 of its Dreamliner aircraft straight off the drawing board, with the intention of ‘out-sourcing’ the manufacture of 80 per cent of its structure and components to forty-three suppliers on three continents. We await the
decimation: outcome with unease. Until then, the company had always made the fuselage and wings for its planes; that is what Boeing was all about."
decimation: I've got mixed feelings about this book, but it does talk about the decline in american managerial culture
mircea_popescu: decimation so for my own education (not following python much) is the 2/3 split primarily centered around unicode vs posix ?
decimation: yeah pretty much
mircea_popescu: seems like an excellent reason to fork.
mircea_popescu: make 2.8, zero unicode support. ascii or bust.
decimation: python 3 supports 'a better text model to support unicode' rather than 'posix with unicode bolted on'
decimation: apparently there are some folks who want to do exactly that
mircea_popescu: " It should be at least possible for users to start learning the basics of Python without having to first learn English as a prerequisite (even if English remains a requirement for full participation in the global Python and open source ecosystems)." << this is pretty retarded.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would anyone even contemplate this.
mircea_popescu: you don't speak english, you don't get to use computers. back to the cave.
trinque: that's the condescending democratic notion of "them"
trinque: that you have to help
trinque: guido built a language for "them"
mircea_popescu: seems bizarre seeing how the earlier stuff was predicated on "we want to make the language WE enjoy using". what, guido doesn't speak english ?!
decimation: apparently guido's hobby is to convert python into a trojan horse for derpy utopianism
decimation: you know the next step... anyone who doesn't buy into python 3 is a racsis...
mircea_popescu: so how do you denote zhe in armenian ?
mircea_popescu: One key consequence of this is that the interpreter core in Python 3 is far more tolerant of paths that contain Unicode characters on Windows (so, for example, having a non-ASCII character in your username should no longer cause any problems with running Python scripts from your home directory on Windows).
mircea_popescu: ah ok, this is what it was.
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chatquack: It's Cheryl!
mircea_popescu: who's cheryl ?
chatquack: Cheryl, aka Charleen, aka Cristal
mircea_popescu: still nfi.
chatquack: Crazy bitch from Archer, whom I love dearly;
assbot: Cheryl Tunt - Archer Wiki ... ( )
mircea_popescu has just naively issued a ll in a directory worth ~100mb of 1kb files.
chatquack: *slow clap*
mircea_popescu: now the server's dosing me
chatquack: ya, i was wondering if a ^c was even worth anything half a second after hitting enter
chatquack: In Soviet VPS, files poke you!
mircea_popescu: this is not a vps.
chatquack: local ethernet?
mircea_popescu: and no, ^c is not worth anything, because ll is well optimized, spends a minute thinking it through and then blasts you
mircea_popescu: no, actual server.
chatquack: right? it's speedy...
chatquack: oh sitting on the cancer giver?
chatquack: I have a hard time sleeping without fan noise :\
mircea_popescu: sitting what ?
chatquack: What do you mean by actual server? Sitting next to you or.
mircea_popescu: no, a box in a dc
chatquack: neato
chatquack: but then again remote or local ll is done once it's run
chatquack: face full'o 1k
chatquack offers mircea_popescu an uncomfortable hug
chatquack: Where the funk is BingoBoingo? I blame him for this useless banter.
mircea_popescu: !up from_vice
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo for the record, "and found 60 with one or more duplicate moduli." is maybe misleading. it merely found the same key in multiple places, it hasn't actually cracked anything.
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mircea_popescu: Mem: 24420888k total, 24035956k used, 384932k free, 889012k buffers << what one likes to see. there's something so pleasant about a maxed box.
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cazalla: one on the left has a much better ass
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mircea_popescu: they're young. plenty of time yet.
mircea_popescu: !up deedbot-
deedbot-: accepted: 1
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davout: danielpbarron: you created the filesystem of your pogo on your local station amirite? messed a bit with fdisk but it looks like the pogo doesn't have any mkfs binary :/
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davout: so it looks that it can either be enabled in a buildroot config option, gonna investigate this later
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jurov: lol, some people want languages set in stone? good luck.
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asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu we have liftoff!!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu there are quite a few non-rsa keys. what were folks thinking, l0l
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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asciilifeform: in other news, 222893
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assbot: Logged on 07-05-2015 09:53:33; davout: danielpbarron: you created the filesystem of your pogo on your local station amirite? messed a bit with fdisk but it looks like the pogo doesn't have any mkfs binary :/
danielpbarron: oh, i see what you're saying.
danielpbarron: the one with a hard drive that i have running bitcoind is the one i put ArchLinux on
davout: danielpbarron: i think that what i'll do is slightly change the buildroot config to be able to "busybox mkfs"
davout: oh and also there was something else, maybe asciilifeform can help with that, probably very noobish question, but i have nfi how to setup the pogo so that i'm able to put the compiled kernel on it without needing it to use tftp to load it on each boot
danielpbarron: the end goal is to flash it into the eeprom; not sure if anyone's done that yet
davout: danielpbarron: because other than the attached SATA the pogo has no other storage than the eeprom, right?
davout: why not simply have it reside on the SATA drive?
danielpbarron: you could do that, but the spec is for it to have all necessary stuff contained in the unit itself
davout: aha, not sure i ever actually *read* that spec, is it trilema'd?
davout: ah, it is danielpbarron'd :D
davout: danielpbarron: ok i see, that makes lots of sense
cazalla: hearn rings the alarm, we have not much time!
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jurov: yest it was kicking the can, today "to keep the Bitcoin show on the road"
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jurov: ^ i suggest using these phrases to qntra editors
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mircea_popescu: shit asciilifeform they're not going to be so many that we don't reach 3.15 mn moduli are they!
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's an astonishingly large number of those
mircea_popescu: which, non rsa ?
mircea_popescu: hey, williamdunne you there ?
mircea_popescu: << i want everything set in stone. i guess that makes me a true stoner.
assbot: Logged on 07-05-2015 11:54:24; jurov: lol, some people want languages set in stone? good luck.
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asciilifeform: in other news,
asciilifeform: achtung, panzers:
asciilifeform: [BTC-dev] Full Orphanage Thermonuke DHAT Output.
mircea_popescu: "I observed to Wladimir and Gavin in
mircea_popescu: private that this timeline meant a change to the block size was unlikely to
mircea_popescu: get into 0.11, leaving only 0.12, which would give everyone only a few
mircea_popescu: months to upgrade in order to fork the chain by the end of the winter
mircea_popescu: growth season. That seemed tight."
mircea_popescu: so apparently teh idiots actually have a schedule, handler said something like "this must be in by 2016 no matter what". so either they get it in "0.11" or "0.12" or else 0.13 or 15 or 29 will have to happen BEFORE that date.
mircea_popescu: and if people have to test things in negative three days, fuck people. handler said, gavin & mike do, that's how "standards committees" work in the us.
mircea_popescu: are these people fucktarded or something ?
mircea_popescu: you can take that to the fed.
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asciilifeform: bbbut the ocean of meat!1111!!111
mircea_popescu: > Certainly a consensus in this kind of technical community should be a
mircea_popescu: > basic requirement for any serious commitment to blocksize increase.
mircea_popescu: I'm afraid I have come to disagree.
asciilifeform: gotta accomodate it, because d3m0cr4cy
mircea_popescu: who the FUCK asked mike hearn ANYTHING ?
mircea_popescu: so he disagrees ? what else does he disagree with, chinese internal policy ?
mircea_popescu: gravity ?
mircea_popescu: go fucking disagree on livejournal and check my privilege while at it.
asciilifeform: chinese internal policy ? << these are the folks who issued indictments in u.s. courts of chinese generals
asciilifeform: *against
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: do you have the source for the pull request where hearn tried to merge in heartbleed?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform russian random businessmen, at that, too.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i think you misread or misunderstood something. come again ?
mircea_popescu: > Long-term incentive compatibility requires that there be some fee
mircea_popescu: > pressure, and that blocks be relatively consistently full or very nearly
mircea_popescu: I disagree. When the money supply eventually dwindles I doubt it will be fee pressure that funds mining
mircea_popescu: right. it's gonna be taxation, in hearn world.
mircea_popescu: have bitcoin declared a "public service" or right or whatever by congress, get obamabitcoin and all that jazz. make the MIT shitheads, google etc all fat and giggly.
asciilifeform: !s taxcoin
assbot: 4 results for 'taxcoin' :
mircea_popescu: "Firstly, no, the "Bitcoin ecosystem" is not well funded. Blockstream might
mircea_popescu: be, but significant numbers of users are running programs developed by tiny
mircea_popescu: startups, or volunteers who don't have millions in venture capital to play
mircea_popescu: check out shitboy over here.
mircea_popescu: "didn't happen in bezzle-land, didn't happen at all. icbc trades on pink sheets. world exists in my asshole"
mircea_popescu: "What I don't see from you yet is a *specific and credible plan* that fits
mircea_popescu: within the next 12 months and which allows Bitcoin to keep growing."
mircea_popescu: i am ever thankful to the idiots that do very idiotic things. like that vice article. like this tipping of hand.
asciilifeform: 'grow' to mr tumour means, of course, more tumour cells, not longer legs
mircea_popescu: if there is any certainty about "bitcoin future" at hte present time, it is that there will not be a block size increase in the next 12 months.
mircea_popescu: heads may roll, yes, metaphorically or factually, yes. this shit is not happening.
thestringpuller: "Again, why don't all devs that against this blocksize change come together, and ELI5 to the rest of us what are the cons. ELI5 is important if you want the public to understand your points. So for now Gavin has me convinced the change is necessary. Please Please Please...." to which someone replies "Heaven help us if we ever encounter an issue that requires more than a five-year-old's intelligence."
asciilifeform: achtung, panzers!! anyone else running 0.5.3.x and noticed unusually frequent disconnects ?
asciilifeform: i suspect that the seed problem is growing palpably dire
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller except there is absolutely no need to eli5, because 5 yolds can not be involved in bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform these are endemic, they come and go, it's a lot like stop-go traffic.
asciilifeform: (we are syncing from... laptops?)
mircea_popescu: but yes, the problem is growing.
mircea_popescu: ahh, watching the phuctor stats is so pleasant.
asciilifeform: at some point we gotta do stats re: whether folks are -even today- generating dsa-only keys, etc
asciilifeform: because the paucity of rsa moduli susprised even me
mircea_popescu: only marginally interesting outside of the strong set.
asciilifeform: things on the margins could well be some fella with a spamatron, yes.
mircea_popescu: usg delivering "keys" to its own people etc.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31950 @ 0.00022047 = 7.044 BTC [-]
lobbes: noob question incoming: so my key is showing a GCD of '1 (Ok, for now!)' ; This means that my key only has 1 prime factor in common with another submitted key?
mircea_popescu: it means it has the factor of 1 in common with other keys.
mircea_popescu: 1 is a common divisor of all numbers.
lobbes: ahhhh
lobbes: okay thank you
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143200 @ 0.00022047 = 31.5713 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: mike_c it'll please you to know that a) we're going to be setting up daily batch processing of new keys, so people failing to find theirs should be rare ; b) making better 404 page, mostly to indicate this fact.
mike_c: ah, good news.
mircea_popescu: this, of course, after the current glut is processed, which estimatively should take about a month o.O
mircea_popescu: there's a shitton of them
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 139900 @ 0.00022598 = 31.6146 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> 1 is a common divisor of all numbers. <<< hey now
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP:
assbot: Submit a GPG Public Key | Phuctor ... ( )
assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( )
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lobbes: !v assbot:lobbes.rate.asciilifeform.1:4fce25012b85a0c2b08e565f25c55c092857f115d32b97983af9a8eed7ab140a
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for asciilifeform with note:,, decrufter @
lobbes: !rate ben_vulpes 1 co-chair for The Real Bitcoin
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP:
nubbins`: at the risk of being a pedant, 1 is a common divisor of the set of integers
nubbins`: which is both infinitely large in size, and infinitely smaller than, say, the set of real numbers
lobbes: !v assbot:lobbes.rate.ben_vulpes.1:af5c59d6cdf9ef0235558ee95dd0ef3a2ffcc6b965bd39ac6700d10012464f89
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for ben_vulpes with note: co-chair for The Real Bitcoin
lobbes: !rate mod6 1 co-chair for The Real Bitcoin
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP:
mod6: <+asciilifeform> [BTC-dev] Full Orphanage Thermonuke DHAT Output. << nice work! thanks :]
lobbes: !v assbot:lobbes.rate.mod6.1:93a6590ff2a28a73681071c3abd6ce41443e5686ad05500dda678435cd29b835
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for mod6 with note: co-chair for The Real Bitcoin
lobbes: phew done
mircea_popescu: nubbins` "divisors" are only defined for some numbers.
nubbins`: ^ aha
nubbins`: there's no fooling you 8)
mircea_popescu: lol. kinda hard to beat me up with my own fucking words eh.
mircea_popescu: sort-of like a guy in a mma fight being beaten to death with his own, broken arms.
nubbins`: for those who still don't know wtf is going on, brush up on yr number theory
mircea_popescu: !up from_vice
nubbins`: ^ silkscreened hang tags, 2/1 on 130# cougar
nubbins`: sup from_vice
nubbins`: are you from vice?
mircea_popescu: who the fuck washes things by hand in cold water. what is this, slavegirl concentration camp ?!
nubbins`: (talk by typing in the box down there ----v)
nubbins`: mircea_popescu i should show you how i clean screens and equipment here
nubbins`: by hand. in very, very cold water.
nubbins`: from_vice: there ya go.
from_vice: Churrs
nubbins`: guess you're not actually here from vice tho, huh
from_vice: Where am I?
nubbins`: you're on freenode irc
lobbes: #bitcoin-assets
mircea_popescu: ahaha this entire convo is the titsd.
mircea_popescu: im bashing it.
from_vice: Can I find God here?
danielpbarron: i pasted the webchat link in the vice article comments because their stupid javascript loads and renders the whole chat room on their article page. LOL
nubbins`: this is way more boring than when the reuters reporter showed up
nubbins`: danielpbarron ha
nubbins`: link?
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron wait, WHAT ?!
danielpbarron: from_vice, paste the link at the top of your browser
mircea_popescu: nubbins` frankly i'm moderately surprised anyone even reads vice at all. readership >= 1 is already above par.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu it's like news, but related to you by your buddy who plays in a band and drinks too much
nubbins`: future of journalism
from_vice: I linked into here via the vice article link provided in the comments by someone--I feel a bit violated
danielpbarron: whoops did i just eRape someone?
mircea_popescu: 1/10 for effort.
nubbins`: danielpbarron new tab for me.
assbot: Unless Everyone Using Bitcoin Makes This Radical Change, the Currency Will Die | Motherboard ... ( )
danielpbarron: weird, it was doing it yesterday
from_vice: Haha it's like jumping back to 1996
nubbins`: guess they realized
danielpbarron: i had to change my other links to bit (dot) ly things because of it
mircea_popescu: nubbins` can you imagine the increase in demand for competent web engineers we've caused this year alone ?
mircea_popescu: fetlife is hiring, vice is hiring, erryone's hiring. we might even make the gdp go up
nubbins`: greatest divisor product
nubbins`: now you're just making things up ;)
mircea_popescu: no, i'm reporting.
mircea_popescu: for vice.
nubbins`: there's about a one in three chance that they'd publish an article you wrote for them about bitcoin.
from_vice: Where are you guys from?
mircea_popescu: and if i take to the streets of marakesh, there's about one in three chance random street urchin will suck my cock hoping for a hundred. what of it.
mircea_popescu: from_vice we're from bitcoin
mircea_popescu: the most serene republic of ~
nubbins`: i'm from the internet
nubbins`: mircea_popescu in my experience, skin and hash are proffered equally in marrakesh
mircea_popescu: a right, we haven't fully colonized nubbins` yet. much like canada, he hangs on to antiquated forms that perpetuate the routing and interfacing differences in our society.
mircea_popescu: if there's ever to be any progress...
nubbins`: altho generally they start with "hashish?" and follow up with "massage?"
from_vice: Oh I see, you are from the evil overlord master race, all makes sense now
nubbins`: from_vice you're not far off the mark there
nubbins`: bbl doing things
mircea_popescu: by hand ? in cold water ?
from_vice: You sure this isn't a 911 truthers' forum? I have some thermite to sell
mircea_popescu: what's that ?
from_vice: It's like Vegemite
mircea_popescu: not thermite, 911 truthers
mircea_popescu: !s thermite
assbot: 34 results for 'thermite' :
danielpbarron is a 9/11 truther
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron do you call emergency line and tell them truths ?
danielpbarron: i question whether there were actually planes that hit the towers
from_vice: Towers?
mircea_popescu: heh, the benefit of modernity. no event is ever going to co-exist with a consensus interpretation thereof.
danielpbarron: well i'm pretty sure the towers existed. I saw them with my own eyes on a trip to NYC
from_vice: This is all a hologram
mircea_popescu: from_vice it'd seem your notions about what a hologram is are informed more by southpark than by physics.
from_vice: Btw when does modernity ever stop?
mircea_popescu: as used above, it prolly doesn't.
mod6: asciilifeform: just to be clear, all of your vagrind runs against bitcoind are: v0.5.3.1+Orphanage_ThermoNuke ? Or just plain v0.5.3.1 ?
mircea_popescu just assumed plain
from_vice: Well it's been swell, good luck with the taking over the world with superior quips. Now where did I park my car??
lobbes: danielpbarron: you think it may have been an 'inside job' by usg? I have heard that pov from others, too
danielpbarron: who else would care to do it?
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron the problem with this is that they could have picked much less expensive, more impactful targets.
mircea_popescu: cantor fitzgerald's been in the news recently due to their vice chair's fraudulent shenanigans and separately due to their general incompetence and gross mishandling of OPM.
mircea_popescu: this firm is in its sorry state today because it was mostly wiped in that attack.
mircea_popescu: who exactly in the usg do you think is or was served by wiping most of their army ?
mircea_popescu: (and yes, in the 2000s, the finance ppls are the army. the grunts on the ground - roughly speaking cleanning crews)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54776 @ 0.00022093 = 12.1017 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: i don't really give it much thought
mircea_popescu: makes two of us.
lobbes: unless witnessed with own eyes, can't really verify one way or another. Of course, you can say that about any event
lobbes: and then there's solipsism
lobbes: which I always sort of bought into. I can't verify any of you really exist
mircea_popescu: ever been to a magic show ?
lobbes: no, just seen em' on tv
mircea_popescu: your eyes are a particularly weak check, especially if it is known you will be relying on them exclusively.
mircea_popescu: plenty of people making a living at this. in fact, three card monte exists specifically to exploit the thermodynamc gradient created by the "own eyes" meme/mental parasithosis.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 368120 @ 0.00022667 = 83.4418 BTC [+] {4}
lobbes: this is true. But even with the other senses, you still have to accept the assumption of 'an outside reality'
lobbes: everything else builds off of that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91030 @ 0.00022985 = 20.9232 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo for the record, "and found 60 with one or more duplicate moduli." is maybe misleading. it merely found the same key in multiple places, it hasn't actually cracked anything. << fxd
lobbes: but in terms of verifying events with own eyes, I do see that point. Not even possible in certain cases
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah. wouldn't want random dude in a band that drinks too much read that and with his usual superficial comprehension skills decide 1% of keys are broken or some similar shit.
mircea_popescu: god knows they do enough of that nonsense even without any help
mircea_popescu: lobbes does the proposition that having two children each off two different women equal having four children total have to accept some sort of assumption about "the twu nature of numbers" ?
lobbes: hmm, I think I get it; 'I experience something, therefore it exists.' Assumtion not really necessary for the experience
mircea_popescu: Submissions: 11241 / Known Moduli: 10759 / Waiting for Test: 1361 timestamp
mircea_popescu: lobbes something like that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 145400 @ 0.00022072 = 32.0927 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: California "Masonic Police Department": Weird. ... ( )
mircea_popescu: reading old trilema articles ( ) i'm suddenly illuminated : all the empowered feminist derps that bitch about how having to shave their cunt is wrong, novel and bla bla : how much smegma do they eat in the average week ?
assbot: Sa belim pula on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
mircea_popescu: because guess what : smegma is just as natural a byproduct of the sexual organs, of the other gender. and washing it off is certainly as novel bla bla as shaving the cunt.
ben_vulpes: buenos diiiiias
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 178800 @ 0.00022342 = 39.9475 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: why do you capitalize IRC logs on Trilema?
mircea_popescu: seems better form ? i dunno.
ben_vulpes shrugs
ben_vulpes: i halfway expected a philosophical tract on capitalization and blogs
mircea_popescu: heh. trilema titles generally are an enigma.
mircea_popescu: Submissions: 11497 / Known Moduli: 11013 / Moduli Waiting for Test: 1413
mircea_popescu: sheit... 38 minutes, 258 added. at 6/minute this is going to be 18 months ;/
ben_vulpes: at least it's not just sitting there depreciating anymore.
ben_vulpes: now it's...being useful!
mircea_popescu: yup, no argument.
mircea_popescu: i kinda suspected it'll need a long time.
mod6: !up ascii_field
mod6 slaps assbots ass
mircea_popescu: anyway, the exercise is interesting because it puts a ceiling on costs. doing a mathematically intricate, non-parallelizable task over ~the entire space of gpg keys~, all 4mn of them, is < 10k usd.
mircea_popescu: the "millions" mike hearn derps about aren't only broken because shit, we're worth billions, even if he personally isn't worth two spits.
mircea_popescu: it's also wrong because you don't actually need the millions
ben_vulpes: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: wtf happened here.
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: bitchez.
ascii_field: << the 258 figure does not include the non-rsa submissions
assbot: Logged on 07-05-2015 16:22:53; mircea_popescu: sheit... 38 minutes, 258 added. at 6/minute this is going to be 18 months ;/
mircea_popescu: ascii_field it does not, but im figuring : since the queue is not ever empty, it's a good measure for actual processing
jurov: won't it get slower over time as gcd grows?
ben_vulpes: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: jurov: n log n
mircea_popescu: jurov supposedly only by log n
ascii_field: theoretically
ascii_field: (in practice, various boojums like cache miss will set in)
mircea_popescu: !up rbtkhn
mircea_popescu: anyway he has a point, 18 months above was linear.
danielpbarron: hello rbtkhn !
mircea_popescu: (the 10k was not)
ben_vulpes: who is rbtkhn?
danielpbarron: Robert Kuhne
ben_vulpes: well key up, Kuhne
mircea_popescu: what, the huobi guy ?
danielpbarron: he said he'd pop in here later, although I suspect that one wasn't actually him (someone else clicking the custom url)
ascii_field: << read the mailing list. clearly printed on the box, 'thermonuke.'
assbot: Logged on 07-05-2015 15:19:45; mod6: asciilifeform: just to be clear, all of your vagrind runs against bitcoind are: v0.5.3.1+Orphanage_ThermoNuke ? Or just plain v0.5.3.1 ?
ascii_field did not think there was any ambiguity in his reports
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114650 @ 0.00022221 = 25.4764 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: heh. there's ambiguity in the heads!
mircea_popescu: but right you are.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: in principle, one can do clever things to weasel out of the cache problem - such as setting max product size and gcd'ing said parcels together
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i tell you we might have to find a way to parallelize this, because as it is, it'll prolly be too slow.
ascii_field: (much cpu is wasted on shuttling gigantic integer around)
ascii_field: the above is the one kind of parallelism meaningfully possible here
mod6: ascii_field: ahhah, it does say it in the Email Subject. derp.
mircea_popescu: do it in sets, maybe ? because positives are so rarely expected, take n numbers, gcd them all in pairs, then gcd the n/2 pairs together, etc.
mircea_popescu: the pairs part is eminently parallelizable.
ascii_field: sets, aha
ascii_field: was what i wrote.
mircea_popescu: yeah. rewrite ?
mircea_popescu: downside being, of course, that we won't have any sort of usability in progress.
mircea_popescu: amusingly enough, this is very much like its own sort of blockchain syncing. the 4mn addies were created over 40 years or so. we can catch up in a year, by which time... more will have been created.
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: would you share the code for splitting the gpg dumps up?
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: happily
BingoBoingo: Browsing various .edu domains for keys to submit I noticed there's a span from roughly 1999 to 2005-8 where DSA/Elgamal keys were way too popular
ben_vulpes: !up ascii_F
ben_vulpes: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo fortunately it died.
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: it's a very dirty kludge though
mircea_popescu: !up deedbot-
assbot: dpaste: 2EJ5BR5 ... ( )
ben_vulpes: 3.(18)?
ben_vulpes: exactly?!
mircea_popescu: diametric ^
diametric: thanks
ben_vulpes: parens are numbers now
ben_vulpes: whocouldanode
mircea_popescu: they were always numbers!!1
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120150 @ 0.00022105 = 26.5592 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: no, first they were scratches in the dust ancient lispers used to identify each other
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes maybe you're not aware, but this is old style notation for periodicity.
ben_vulpes: aha, i've only ever used the bar over the periodic part
mircea_popescu: yeah. but not convenient to do in ascii
ben_vulpes: you dun say.
diametric: mircea_popescu: done
mircea_popescu: omg wrong ammount!
ben_vulpes: ahaha
diametric: wait what.
ben_vulpes: stop being so damn clever, herr popescu.
diametric: oh hah.
diametric: shouldn't that technically be 2.82
mircea_popescu: no, it should technically be 3.1818181818181818181818181818181818181818181818181818181818181818181818181818
mircea_popescu: rounded to the closest full line
ben_vulpes: just quote to the satoshi, man.
ascii_field: next we will find mircea_popescu writing cheques for 'pi' like knuth
mircea_popescu: why ? make it easy for people ?
ben_vulpes: to not make it unnecessarily ambiguous.
mircea_popescu: tis not ambiguous!
ben_vulpes: if you know the language.
mircea_popescu: just difficult.
ben_vulpes: the language having nothing to do with quoting prices for btc transactions.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110700 @ 0.00022047 = 24.406 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: ascii_field> next we will find mircea_popescu writing cheques for 'pi' like knuth << or making bets that refer to it
mircea_popescu: that's already water under the bitbridge.
assbot: BitBet - Phuctor will find a bad key :: 0.02 B (2%) on Yes, 1.08 B (98%) on No | closing in 1 week 1 day| weight: 94`192 (100`000 to 1) ... ( )
mircea_popescu: -NickServ- m_p!~matter_pa@ failed to login to mircea_popescu. There have been 3 failed login attempts since your last successful login. << am i the only one so targetted ?
ascii_field: when does it spit out this stat ?
ascii_field: on login ?
ascii_field hardly ever logs out and would not necessarily see it then
mircea_popescu: as i was sitting here
mircea_popescu: ascii_field < like that
assbot: dpaste: 3ABYGTD ... ( )
assbot: Texas Governor Deploys State Guard To Stave Off Obama Takeover : It's All Politics : NPR ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 303035 @ 0.00022966 = 69.595 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: wait. what ?!
mircea_popescu: " We have so many military bases in the Lone Star State we could practically attack Russia." orly.
funkenstein_ looks up from his iphone
diametric: haha
mircea_popescu: dude what the fuck am i reading
diametric: insanity
assbot: Love Glider Sex Machine: Health & Personal Care ... ( )
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: stop saying dirty things to assbot, aflie.
funkenstein_: so strange that the governor would want to monitor large groups of heavily armed out of staters
trinque: NPR's a leftist rag.
mircea_popescu: i laughed my ass off at this thing. absolute top kek, AAA++ would lol again.
assbot: Burn After Reading - YouTube ... ( )
funkenstein_: ascii_field, just in time for mother's day!
mircea_popescu: "The governor's proposition that these soldiers and sailors constitute a potential threat and need watching as they go about their duties certainly stakes out some new political ground for the leader of the Texas GOP to stand on."
trinque: I love it
mircea_popescu: this part, certainly. where's trinque to shed a tear over this
ascii_field: civilwar cargocult
ascii_field: (there was 'watching' immediately prior)
trinque: "fuck the feds" is great TX politics
mircea_popescu: ascii_field don't miss the most important point here. government has identified a new thing it could need money for.
mircea_popescu: this is never ever going away.
danielpbarron: "The biggest issue I have with The Love Glider is that the angle of the centerpiece where the dildo sits on the vac-u-loc plug is way to steep for any anal play."
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron iirc the solution is to use softer rubber dongs
danielpbarron: "This item came with a nut missing" << just one?
mircea_popescu: trinque hmm, did deedbot- see the deed ?
mircea_popescu: Submissions: 12404 / Known Moduli: 11547 / Moduli Waiting for Test: 1584
assbot: dpaste: 2EJ5BR5 ... ( )
deedbot-: Bad URL or network outage.
deedbot-: accepted: 1
mircea_popescu: aha my bad, had a space and no txt.
trinque: cool
mircea_popescu: 907÷96 ~= 9.5/minute
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46393 @ 0.0002225 = 10.3224 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46243 @ 0.00022985 = 10.629 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120915 @ 0.0002305 = 27.8709 BTC [+] {4}
fluffypony: the bitcoin-dev mailing list is on fire today
fluffypony: but I thought BlueMatt summed it up nicely in a reply to Gavin:
fluffypony: "You've been wandering around telling people that the blocksize will increase soon for months, when there is very clearly no consensus that it should in the short-term future. The only answer to this that anyone with a clue should give is "it will very, very likely be able to support at least 1MB blocks roughly every 10 minutes on average for the next eleven years, and it seems likely that a block size increase of some form will
fluffypony: happen at some point in the next eleven years", anything else is dishonest."
fluffypony: smackdown.
fluffypony: drop the mic
funkenstein_: why eleven?
jurov: nice round number
jurov: i guess
fluffypony: funkenstein_: no idea, Gavin said this -
fluffypony: "I would very much like to find some concrete course of action that we can come to consensus on. Some compromise so we can tell entrepreneurs "THIS is how much transaction volume the main Bitcoin blockchain will be able to support over the next eleven years.""
jurov: gmaxwell:"Unfortunately, every indicator I can think of except fee totals has been going in the wrong direction almost monotonically along with the blockchain size increase since 2012"
thestringpuller: everyone wants the exchange rate to go up so everyone can get rich. it's da most important metric here.
mats: merr
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00023232 = 3.9727 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: !up SecretFinCENspy
SecretFinCENspy: danielpbarron, psst... do you know how to launder paper money with crypto currency ??
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123450 @ 0.00023275 = 28.733 BTC [+] {2}
trinque: lol nice try fincen
danielpbarron: step 1) use paper to aquire bitcoin. step 2) all done. money is now laundered. enjoy
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
asciilifeform: arsebot?!
assbot: NSA's phone spying program ruled illegal by appeals court| Reuters ... ( )
SecretFinCENspy: we are saved :D
SecretFinCENspy: you think they care ?
trinque: "The appeals court did not resolve the question of whether the surveillance was unconstitutional."
trinque: nor did it state whether words do or do not have meanings
danielpbarron: !up SecretFinCENspy
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
danielpbarron: !up ascii_field
danielpbarron: imposter, you!
danielpbarron: assbot cycled yesterday, so if you haven't upped since then, you aren't "authed"
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 20000 @ 0.000206 = 4.12 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51350 @ 0.00023301 = 11.9651 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50172 @ 0.00023349 = 11.7147 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122128 @ 0.00023538 = 28.7465 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148612 @ 0.00023576 = 35.0368 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: fluffypony what "entrepreneurs" is gavin talking to anyway ?
mircea_popescu: i've yet to meet one.
thestringpuller: the kid from first kid?
fluffypony: mighty ducks I believe
ascii_field: inevitably brings to mind the ru prison parlance 'pierced pederast'
fluffypony: I just refer to him as Pedobear Pierce
ascii_field: (vs the yet-'unpierced' kind)
mircea_popescu: brock pierce the cock piercing ? or some other ?
fluffypony: you know that Brock has his PR firm labelling him as "the Godfather or Bitcoin" ?
fluffypony: I shit you not
ascii_field: 'pierced' was understood as 'properly deflowered' vs merely proclaimed as lowered into pederasty
assbot: Can Bitcoin Clean Up Its Act?: Critical Eye : Details ... ( )
mircea_popescu: fluffypony so are the twinkletwins of bitcoin taking this one sitting down ?
fluffypony: "These glorified pep rallies represent just one aspect of a global campaign by Pierce—who's operated on the fringes of American business for the past 15 years—to reinvent himself as a trustworthy power broker in a volatile virtual realm and cement his claim to a title currently shared by many: the godfather of bitcoin."
mircea_popescu: what is wrong with these people, seriously.
fluffypony: no clue
mircea_popescu: but i mean... suppose you... i dunno, suppose you open a microbrewery.
mircea_popescu: seriously, you're going to go tell people you're "the darth vader of beer" ?!
danielpbarron: there's more than one reference to him touching the young hacker boys in that article
fluffypony: danielpbarron: but he was just "around" in the mansion whilst that other guy was diddling 12 year old asian boys
fluffypony: he didn't notice them all lining up outside that guy's bedroom
mircea_popescu: that was michael jackson i thought ?
fluffypony: omg mircea_popescu you don't even know
assbot: The Shady History of Brock Pie - PasteBin.Ro - Primul instrument de lipire din Romania! ... ( )
fluffypony: he gave a talk at Bitcoin Africa on "Bitcoin Investing"
mircea_popescu: i know, i know, he had some derpy "wow gold" type scam that blew up a decade ago.
fluffypony: and it was basically a pitch of his startup investment shit
fluffypony: I can't even remember the name
fluffypony: Crypto Investments or somethin
mircea_popescu: Submissions: 13939 / Known Moduli: 12365 / Moduli Waiting for Test: 1761
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2015 05:05:12; asciilifeform: (it being, they get 'annointed' by handlers specifically for being thus malleable)
ascii_field: ^ re: why pedos
mircea_popescu: 2442÷238 = 10.260504202 / minute.
fluffypony: "The slim, dark-haired 14-year-old, who attended a small private high school in the Valley, befriended Chad's brother Scott, who led him to DEN. Mike had an interest in acting, so when Collins-Rector outlined the possibilities for stardom offered by the site, the boy began spending time at the mansion, where there was one key rule. He recalls: "If you were going to sleep over, you had to get into either the pool or the hot tub—and
fluffypony: you had to be naked to do so." In an exclusive interview, Mike E. confirms having been forced to engage in anal and oral intercourse with Collins-Rector, Shackley, and Pierce while under the influence of drugs that he claims were fed to him without his knowledge."
fluffypony: but the good news is that after all the diddling there was still room for him
assbot: Brock Pierce Elected Bitcoin Foundation Board Chairman ... ( )
mircea_popescu: wait, so just as we finally got rid of that dubious onlyonetv pedo character,
mircea_popescu: another one sprung up ?
mircea_popescu: wtf is this, some sort of conspiraci ?
mircea_popescu: Another alleged victim, Daniel, tells a similar story. After being subjected to sexual abuse at M&C, he wrote a suicide note: "I can't stop crying! Please God help me. I can't go on. I let them use me as a sex tool. I let those assholes do all those terrible things to me. Goodbye." His brother found the note and alerted their parents before Daniel made any attempt on his life.
mircea_popescu: is this what 14 yos write in their sucide notes ?!
mircea_popescu: hitting all the talking points of the weirdo right in exact order, "please god" and "sex tool" and errything ?
mircea_popescu is impressed.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 162956 @ 0.00023603 = 38.4625 BTC [+]
ascii_field: who is 0xC63673284FCE0A74 ?
ascii_field: whoever he is - sks is silent
ben_vulpes: what's of interest about 0xC63673284FCE0A74?
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: signature under the pierce thing on paste linked earlier
ascii_field: no one but me noticed ?
ben_vulpes: it's brock pierce
ben_vulpes: nobody but you cares maybe
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: signed his own 'pierce is a pedo sc4mz0r' article ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field it's not a puiblic key.
ascii_field: well, technically it is
ascii_field: but apparently no one made this publickey public.
ascii_field: (wtf is the point of signing something that no one can verify ?)
mircea_popescu: "no one"
ascii_field: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) << mega-l0l
mircea_popescu: the string is arbitrary.
ascii_field: still l0l.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field anyway, if that's what you're trying to establish, i can confirm the broad points.
mircea_popescu: the salacious sex stuff not so much, but perpetual fraud, slapp/frivolous litigation and general mismanagement, sure.
ascii_field: mandatory for election to phoundation
ascii_field: we knew this for a while, yes
ascii_field: in other news, << pigs flying with massive jet engines, microshit vs for linux.
assbot: Microsoft Releases New Code IDE For Linux! - Phoronix ... ( )
ascii_field: can't wait until 'ubuntu' ships with this.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, by now linux is windowized enough. they can release their shit for systemd/ubuntu/glibc-with-modules/etc and pretty much have it right.
trinque: hah!
ascii_field: and poettering will proclaim it mandatory
ascii_field: will release gendered comments compliance plugin for it
mircea_popescu: because poettering is like gavin, the godfather of other people's computers.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field btw, i don't think the pairs solution is the best thing. how about the following : cut keys into three groups. 1. keys that were submitted to web from outside ; 2. keys in the strong set ; 3. everything else. and always process 1, or if 1 empty 2, or if empty 3.
mircea_popescu: that'll give us best of all possible worlds.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: how to programmatically calculate strong set
ascii_field does not have the definition handy
mircea_popescu: "key signed by at least another key in the strong set"./
mircea_popescu: however, i think i might just pull a list for you.
mats: does phuctor have an externally accessible api?
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: meh. actually, after a cursory look over the top 1k : it'd seem to me this wot is pretty much taken over.
assbot: PGP key top 1000 ... ( )
mircea_popescu: Palfrader is iirc the tor derp
mircea_popescu: i have nfi who Marcus Frings or Karlheinz Geyer are, mako's key is an old 1024 bit dsa thing....
mircea_popescu: mats notrly as of yet
mircea_popescu: !up joecool
joecool: thanks
mircea_popescu: !gettrust assbot joecool
assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user joecool: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | |
ben_vulpes: “If I had an easy way and a non-risk way of shorting a whole lot of 20- or 30-year bonds, I’d do it,” said our favorite uncle Warren Buffett on CNBC.
joecool: but i have L1 through the bot
mircea_popescu: !rate joecool 1 Approximately new blood :p
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP:
assbot: Need a decrypted verification string.
joecool: is that OTP for me?
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.joecool.1:2c46683c140832008f9f075f6b57d3ed645a84039674adf1ecda1c51ab5c2ef2
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for joecool with note: Approximately new blood :p
joecool: ah ok
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes wait, wait... he no longer believes in the future of america ra ra ra ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: kinda the implication, neh?
assbot: “Smart Money” Prepares to Profit from Bond Market Rout | Wolf Street ... ( )
mircea_popescu: swoon - rout lmao
mircea_popescu: somebody changed the title but didn't know how to change the url ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85500 @ 0.00022848 = 19.535 BTC [-] {2}
Pierre_Rochard: ^ they’re afraid of dead links. Why they don’t simply reroute to the new url is a mystery to me
Pierre_Rochard: “If I had an easy way and a non-risk way of shorting a whole lot of 20- or 30-year bonds, I’d do it,” < If I had a non-risk way of doing anything in the financial markets, I’d do it too...
ben_vulpes: dahoy
ben_vulpes: <Pierre_Rochard> ^ they’re afraid of dead links. Why they don’t simply reroute to the new url is a mystery to me << that'd require having some kind of a clue
Pierre_Rochard: does wordpress have that feature?
joecool: there's a plugin that'll scan nightly for broken links you can use on wordpress
joecool: even has option to point old dead links to the web archive
BingoBoingo: Highlight of today's digging session:
BingoBoingo: ^ Pink "Double Knockout" rosebush, appx $30 or 0.13 BTC
BingoBoingo: "Patented" plant type
ben_vulpes: hola chetty
BingoBoingo: !up tKM
funkenstein_: !s dtcc
assbot: 0 results for 'dtcc' :
funkenstein_: nice roses :)
BingoBoingo awfully temped to propagate more vegitatively just because FU patents
assbot: - machine accident - warning: extremely graphic ... ( )
funkenstein_: so the "double knockout" refers to some genetics?
BingoBoingo: funkenstein_: Yeah, but apparently bred for said genetics rather than monsanto'd.
BingoBoingo: Supposed to be incredibly disease resistant, but will see
funkenstein_ recalls the story of the double knockout mice, missing both seratonin and dopamine, whom researchers still hooked on cocaine
BingoBoingo: Yeah, not that kind of knockout.
BingoBoingo: Knockout is the branded genetics.
BingoBoingo: or Brand of this plant's genetics
BingoBoingo: Wasn't looking to pick up a rosebush, but was at Rural King
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 142100 @ 0.00022388 = 31.8133 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68625 @ 0.000224 = 15.372 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88674 @ 0.00022171 = 19.6599 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: BingoBoingo, resistant to what? scale?
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Fungi mostly
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114500 @ 0.00022127 = 25.3354 BTC [-]
assbot: Crash landing — Medium ... ( )
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: ^^ relevant to memory stuff, relevant to block size wars
mircea_popescu: !up jam__
mircea_popescu: <Pierre_Rochard> does wordpress have that feature? << yes. if i change an url both the old and the new work, and the old redirects to the new
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124250 @ 0.00021904 = 27.2157 BTC [-] {2}
funkenstein_: if netscape goes down, the internet is broken right?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101900 @ 0.00022127 = 22.5474 BTC [+]
trinque: ben_vulpes: that dude uses the word "believe" a lot
trinque: "Neither me nor Gavin believe a fee market will work as a substitute for the inflation subsidy."
trinque: so on
trinque: "Miners would include free transactions ordered by “priority” as they do today (calculated as coin age times value), and they’d do it because circulating bitcoins are valuable bitcoins."
trinque: this is horse shit of colossal scale
mircea_popescu: why do we care why random nobody believes or doesn't believe, again ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114550 @ 0.00021739 = 24.902 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo dude nice maria callas or w/e those are
BingoBoingo: Because they still pretend to identity and need that stripped so that they be dumped naked in the cold rain
trinque: sorting transactions by fees and dumping off the tail-end solves everything he brings up re: mempool getting too full
mircea_popescu: "but that would be like ... capitalism1!11"
mircea_popescu: "how could the currency of the future be anything like capitalism!!!1"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's some sort of rose called "Double Knockout" which I find funny because abuse of genetics term by a plant geneticist. Not much to congratulate me on yet. All I did was pick them up from Rural King and put them in a hole.
mod6: here's today's update from the v0.5.3.1+Orphanage_Thermonuke:
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah, they look a little wilted as is normal for a transplant but not much. seem they'll be fine
BingoBoingo: masaging the roots seems it spent a bit long in the two gallon container and could have done well in a larger one.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, no guerilla method of taking some cuttings and walking out? :P
BingoBoingo: Hopefully the rosebush does well enough to pirate it next year.
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Nah, I like Rural King. It is my kind of white trash chain retailer.
BingoBoingo: It's the sort of place where you can pick up petunias, hatchling chickens, new pants, and an AR-15 all in one convenient location.
cazalla: sounds great, we don't have anything like that here, best we've got are big hardware monstrosity stores, somewhat American in size but still no chickens or guns to be had
mircea_popescu: well, no guns because not legal in australia, and no chickens because they;re not licensed to run a brothel.
cazalla: bunnings, masters hardware.. were cheap places to get cheap tools but seeing australia no longer manufacturers anything, the big stores charge aussie prices for cheap chinese shit because where else ya gonna go?
BingoBoingo: If rural king sold liquor and cigarettes I probably wouldn't ever have to shop anywhere else.
cazalla: i did pick up another guava from the local bunnings a few days ago, a pineapple guave to go with my cherry one
assbot: Parks and Recreation: Ron's favourite store Food 'n Stuff - YouTube ... ( )
BingoBoingo: Cool. I have yet to really get to dicking around with edible plants yet this year
cazalla: danielpbarron, ah look it's aubrey plaza.. love that chick
cazalla: BingoBoingo, i'm hoping to replace everything here with edible plants.. axed down some random tree here (went axe instead of chainsaw) to make room for maybe a mulberry in the spring.. stump was a cunt to get out the ground
cazalla: just gotta poison the missus' camellias so i can get some passionfruit vines in there or something else
mircea_popescu: raspberries make decent vine-y bush sorts of things
ben_vulpes: i suggest blackberries
mircea_popescu: also. but less thorny
BingoBoingo: Blackberries bare better suited to my front garden, because thorns.
BingoBoingo: Except then you get birds shitting purple all over when they come to gorge
BingoBoingo: Otherwise I'd consider blackberry under the windows
asciilifeform: << how long has this been going ? and what are the units? and what even is this heathen thing
assbot: Logged on 07-05-2015 23:40:11; mod6: here's today's update from the v0.5.3.1+Orphanage_Thermonuke:
assbot: Logged on 07-05-2015 23:16:44; ben_vulpes:
asciilifeform: somebody tell the poor philippinos to give it a rest.
BingoBoingo: "All three cases are bad news. Bitcoin Core does not restart itself automatically. If a node dies or freezes up it requires the owner to notice restart it manually, each and every time." << Why should bitcoind care to restart itself? That's what python is for.
mod6: I started it up few days ago just after I looked over the Orphanage_Thermonuke Patch: # ps aux | grep "bitcoind"
mod6: root 11454 42.4 7.9 506848 313992 ? SLsl May05 1797:41 ./bitcoind -datadir=/mnt/btc-dev/.bitcoin/ -daemon
assbot: The very hard and unrewarding life of Ismail on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
asciilifeform: mod6: what are the units ?
mircea_popescu: in other words, meat is cheap
mod6: its on a deb6 x86_64 environment.
mod6: and units? as in mem page size? 4096
assbot: Sooo... FetLife is butthurt. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
asciilifeform: has the thing hit courtroom yet ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ismail << it's autogenned crud
mircea_popescu: yes. by ismail.
mircea_popescu: and no. i dunno what us you live in, but civil cases do not go to trail the same year
mircea_popescu: that's for preet bharara's fraudmanship.
asciilifeform somehow forgot that there is not a magical exception for especially lulzy cases
asciilifeform: >> Por favor, un minimo respeto por el trabajador! <<
asciilifeform falls down
mircea_popescu: i dunno what us you live in, but the civil docket is A LOT lulzier than this. if there were a lulzy sorting algo i'd prolly never see a judge.
mircea_popescu: (i seriously recommend this - go hang out in court for a few hours. divorce is best, tax is also pretty good, but even menial traffic tickets is golden often enough)
asciilifeform did this. it was a mega-sn0re. medical malpractice featuring folks who were already almost entirely dead, traffic crud, etc.
asciilifeform: though the jury thing was an epic lulzfest
mircea_popescu: yeah, medical malpractice tends to be mostyly bathetic
asciilifeform came very early in life to the realization that most people - and their problems - are simply not very interesting
asciilifeform: even petty criminals, turned out, were not an exception to this
mircea_popescu: the facts usually aren't. the effort and sheer flailing people expend at trying topretend otherwise...
mod6: asciilifeform: this instance is a "m3.medium" which is allocated 3.75 gb RAM. the units in "free" and vmstat [free,buff,cache] are in bytes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61800 @ 0.00022178 = 13.706 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 195450 @ 0.00022461 = 43.9 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0002088 / 0.0002216 / 0.00023603 (9626820 shares, 2,133.32 BTC), 7D: 0.00019511 / 0.0002378 / 0.00031162 (33949296 shares, 8,073.25 BTC), 30D: 0.00019511 / 0.00027496 / 0.00033918 (97493408 shares, 26,806.97 BTC)
mod6: got my pogo today :]
asciilifeform: congrats mod6 !
mod6: now i gotta get a drive, solder & soldering iron.
mod6: and some wires... and a serial port
asciilifeform: the soldering thing is not 100% essential
asciilifeform: (but very convenient)
mod6: ok. i've gotta read through all of the docs & logs like 3 times before I play with it.
mod6: i do need some EE practice anyway.
mod6: i gotta get one of those little chips too!
asciilifeform: !s usb ttl
assbot: 3 results for 'usb ttl' :
asciilifeform: ^ goes with the pogo serial thing
asciilifeform: (or were you thinking of something else entirely)
mod6: ah there we go..
mod6: i was talking actually about the other little guy.
asciilifeform: esp8266 ?
mod6: ah ha! yes. :]
mod6 is excited
asciilifeform: if not very practiced with soldering iron, get the variant with pins
asciilifeform: that one can sit down on a breadboard
mod6: ah, ok. only $3 on ebay. ~$8-10 on amazon
mod6: is this what it looks like with the pins then?
assbot: ESP8266 Serial WiFi Wireless Transceiver Module Send Receive Lwip AP Sta Arduino | eBay ... ( )
asciilifeform: mod6: aha
mod6: ok gravy
asciilifeform: mod6: that's one of the 2 types you saw at c3.
mod6: ah, ok. seems right.
mod6: breadboard is only $7
mod6: there is a 75pc wire pack looks like i might need too, ~$5
mod6: i will zap myself. question is, how many times lol
asciilifeform: with 5v? l0l
mod6: ah, *whew* guess you're right. no worries.
asciilifeform: (notably, esp8266 is a 3v part. don't overvolt it)
mod6: hmm. how do you regulate the input voltage?
mod6: well, actually, best to talk about this later when i actually /have/ the stuff. heheh.
mod6 is like EE preschooler.
asciilifeform: unrelated >> << (possibly) zetas shoot down a chopper, torch a few random things
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58850 @ 0.00022254 = 13.0965 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: << look even mod6 uses a variant on "aha" now
assbot: Logged on 08-05-2015 00:45:00; mod6: ah ha! yes. :]
mod6: haha
ben_vulpes: look danielpbarron there's a function in common lisp named for you!
asciilifeform: and so does the not-yet-come-to-b-a ldb.
ben_vulpes: i'm still waiting to meet cadddr
ben_vulpes: and cdaddr
trinque: oh man, many lols when I discovered that
ben_vulpes: "give me this really specific leaf on the tree plz"
ben_vulpes: tee hee common lisp u so silly
asciilifeform will not admit to ever having used a 5+-letter abracadadra
trinque: I used a 2 or 3 recently, held my nose while doing so
ben_vulpes: abracadaddr
ben_vulpes now has binary data, must now figure out how to do it
asciilifeform: at any rate, there is a time & place for everything - even this
asciilifeform: if 'sed' and even 'tr' have a place,
asciilifeform: then so does cdadar et al.
ben_vulpes: word from officemates was "this is the perfect thing to write in c!"
ben_vulpes: how to do *things *to
diametric: evening
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91252 @ 0.00022649 = 20.6677 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: hola diametric
danielpbarron: ben_vulpes, there's also something in OpenBSD
assbot: 15 - The OpenBSD packages and ports system ... ( )
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: << example of binary shenanigans that i like to give
assbot: dpaste: 2E0CYZQ: Speakables ... ( )
asciilifeform: ^ not optimized in any sense
danielpbarron: [,duh'pib] or [,duh'puhb] or ['dee'pee'bee] << I go with the third
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: whoa where did that come from?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: come from ?
asciilifeform: it is clearly marked, i wrote it based on a syllable set published (sorta) by old mr mold
asciilifeform: try it out.
asciilifeform: will give a good sense for how common lisp's bit-diddling primitives work.
asciilifeform: at least - some of them
ben_vulpes: did this syllable set (or some derivative) end up in urbit?
asciilifeform: some variant of it
asciilifeform: iirc this version was in the early non-advertised src
trinque: is this urbit thing ever going to give sane names to its abstractions?
trinque: every time it comes up I get interested, go try to read about it, give up
trinque: "ships" lol
trinque: ok.
asciilifeform: trinque: at least initially, he used syllable gen to name -all- the ops
asciilifeform: assigning more or less memorable, short names to useful things
asciilifeform: the whole thing is/was an explicit, entirely deliberate departure from commonly-held 'sanity' and in so far as it was this, it was worth paying attention to.
ben_vulpes ricocheted off the thing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7948 @ 0.0002327 = 1.8495 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Oh, look what the theater people are calling a vulnerability nao
assbot: Tails - Claws Mail leaks plaintext of encrypted emails to IMAP server ... ( )
trinque: asciilifeform: would probably help one assess the ideas if it were possible to tell what they are
trinque: "When Arvo is working, ^C cancels the event it's working on. This event never happened. Don't worry, nothing bad will happen to your computer."
trinque: sounds awesome; typically called transactions not events
asciilifeform: trinque: i was never even briefly interested in his top level of abstraction
asciilifeform: it was and is braindamaged.
asciilifeform: bottom two - more interesting
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: l0l tails is still a thing
asciilifeform: who knew
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83350 @ 0.00022311 = 18.5962 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I more astounded the "privacy" crowd still uses IMAP over POP3
asciilifeform: <danielpbarron> [,duh'pib] or [,duh'puhb] or ['dee'pee'bee] << I go with the third << i favour 'dehpehbeh', like 'kgb' is pronounced. but that's just me.
BingoBoingo: I mean who seriously leaves emails on servers
asciilifeform: folks who don't give a damn ?
ben_vulpes: just us children of the cloud
ben_vulpes: look everything sensitive's encrypted, what of it
ben_vulpes: (and lots of stuff that isn't!)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39950 @ 0.00022254 = 8.8905 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: it isn't like enemy didn't get a copy of ciphertext in transit..
trinque: I only send dick pics by smtp
trinque: (admittedly I've put way too much effort into having email handled by a box under my own control)
trinque: to what ends... probably none
ben_vulpes: i want one
ben_vulpes: or mebbe an account on yours
trinque: yeh I can twiddle the knobs on postfix, wouldn't mind sharing
trinque: maybe next hack night, provided I'm sufficiently drunk.
trinque: postfix is ancient braindamage of a whole other category
BingoBoingo: Nah, you send the dick pics on Snapchat so NSA can see and become demoralized and desensitized
BingoBoingo: Let NSA see all the dick pics
BingoBoingo: Break their spirit
mod6: they love the cock
trinque: ah the great dick revolution of 2022
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 194100 @ 0.00022073 = 42.8437 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63500 @ 0.00022073 = 14.0164 BTC [-]
decimation: < "One of the things that disturbs me about the current world--and this is irrational, I suppose--but it bothers me that my children are growing up in a time when the return to setting money aside for the future is close to zero. So, when you say to them, 'You could save some money and don't have to buy everything with the money you have,' their response, which is correct,
assbot: " + soundfiledesc + " ... ( )
decimation: is, 'Well, what's the point?' They look at their savings accounts, they are getting pennies. Pennies. And it's a fool's game."
decimation: "Guest: Let's think about how strange that observation is. You're absolutely right. But just to drive home the point of how strange that is, this worry the people have, you and many others, is occurring at exactly the same time that Thomas Piketty has become famous making exactly the opposite claim--that the capitalists are doing better and better and the workers are doing worse and worse"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111950 @ 0.00021904 = 24.5215 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> unrelated >> << (possibly) zetas shoot down a chopper << how convenient for the us that mexico is actually going through the motions ahead of it.
mircea_popescu: who would have thought, the us copying mexico. except, of course, everyone aware of history.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: l0l tails is still a thing << how would tails cease being a thing.
BingoBoingo: Same way Yellow Dog linus failed
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mircea_popescu: too late to improve on tails.
mircea_popescu: decimation "worry" eh ? it's a worry now.
mircea_popescu: bitch, i don't "worry" about the future. i know what capital formation is, and what ownership is, and so on. these kids will never matter, because they will never own anything, and because they don't even know what that means.
mircea_popescu: this isn't a worry. this is empathy. i understand how fucked the bug is, even as i crush it under my boot. it is, after all, a bug.
BingoBoingo: Yellow Dog linux similarly could not improve. Was PPC Mac linux, when PPC Macs faded and other *nic found the platform faded
mircea_popescu: i guess so huh.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to round off the capital thing : without ownership you can not force anyone to care about you. whether you can or can not force me to care about you, i will force you to care about me. the illustration of this narrative are the sufferances of young gavin. he drank the "piketty" aka libertard coolaid, and now here he is, wondering what the fuck happened.
mircea_popescu: welllll... what else could have happened. "it's easier" is the siren song of the "you will NEVER matter" siren.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11711 @ 0.00022272 = 2.6083 BTC [+]
decimation: Russ's children being unable to gain 'risk-free' returns at the bank actually is a good thing in my opinion
decimation: why should you gain 'without risk'?
trinque: the idea that saving isn't saving unless you're also receiving a return is itself braindamaged
trinque: smacks of the thing where nobody's capable of taking action unless externally "incentivized"
BingoBoingo: <trinque> the idea that saving isn't saving unless you're also receiving a return is itself braindamaged << But you aren't saving, you are lending
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ... because they will never own anything, and because they don't even know what that means << :
asciilifeform l0lz as usual, because is one of these people
asciilifeform 'knows what means' for what that's worth
decimation: trinque: what about being charged for saving < < "JPMorgan Chase recently sent a letter to some of its large depositors telling them it didn’t want their stinking money anymore. Well, not in those words. The bank coined a euphemism: Beginning on May 1, it said, it will charge certain customers a “balance sheet
assbot: Negative Interest Rates May Spark Existential Crisis for Cash - Bloomberg Business ... ( )
decimation: utilization fee” of 1 percent a year on deposits in excess of the money they need for their operations. "
trinque: decimation: pretty lulzy
decimation: of course, you pay to save gold too
decimation: and bitcoin, for that matter
asciilifeform: wai wut
decimation: computers use power, cost money, expose one to risk
decimation: < "One reason such policies appeal to Richie Progressive is that the alternative he fears – the real fear – is populist-driven wealth garnishment, if not full-on ‘The Purge’-style unrest, expropriation, and lynching. By ostentatiously claiming to ‘want to pay more taxes’ he primarily hopes he is tossing the masses a bone (and the (D)s he helps
assbot: No, the rich don’t ‘want to pay more taxes’ | RWCG ... ( )
decimation: elect will throw them some bread & circuses) to keep them off his and his family’s back."
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asciilifeform: ^ obvious as daylight
decimation: asciilifeform: his remedy: "For starters, (1) Get absolute rid of all tax advantages for setting up ‘Family Foundations’ and ‘Blind Charitable Trusts’ and all that BS. GET COMPLETE RID OF ALL SUCH STRUCTURES. (2) Giant wealth-tax – like 95% flat garnishment – on all net-worth above, say, $10 million.Then let’s just see how many Richie Progressives (not to mention Warren Buffets) of the world go around in the media
decimation: saying they ‘want’ such a policy – and backing the (D) pols who propose it. "
decimation: not gonna happen, but would be lulzy to see it tried
asciilifeform: this is called 'dekulakization'
assbot: Logged on 07-04-2015 00:10:01; mircea_popescu: just like having a car doesn't alow having gasoline. it's true that often people who have cars also independently have gasoline, but the two are fundamentally unrelated, and there is such a thing as the fool's breakdown, ie, car's outta gas on the side of hte road.
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, there are two goals - keep the underclass paid off and keep the kulaks from threatening your merit-washed heirs
asciilifeform: dekulakization is the textbook separation of money from folks who thought it automagically bought power.
asciilifeform: if you can be dekulakized - that wealth wasn't really yours. some nice fella just felt like letting you use it for a spell.
asciilifeform: (or, in most cases, separating you from your crumbs was not a thermodynamic win)
decimation: asciilifeform: imagining that you can use the king's scrip against him is silly
decimation: asciilifeform: < note, the obstacles placed in front of 'rising kulaks' are subtle
assbot: Tax Burdens By Quintile ... ( )
decimation: the top 20% pay 20% tax rate, and the top 1% pay 29%
decimation: note that 20% hurts someone making $100k way more than 30% hurt someone making $3 mil
asciilifeform: the whole % thing is bogus
decimation: so the rates 'look' fair while being a stumbling block for the up-and-coming
asciilifeform: given as, e.g., many forms of de-facto income are not taxed in any way whatsoever
decimation: asciilifeform: indeed. also if you have $3 mil per year income, it is highly likely that you have many times that in net worth, and thus can modulate your taxable income at your leisure
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decimation: asciilifeform: also note that the people at the bottom and top of the income spectrum have plenty of tax-free income opportunities
decimation: not so much for the middle
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