(trilema) ben_vulpes: also dood wtf you stop in the city, swing through powells, and can't go 2 mi out of the way to get your eyes on my fp and mine on yours?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: phf: whatsat, forest park?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i know i know.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: nubbins`: some perl.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: nubbins`: well i do but that's a special case.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ah well that's trivially answerable is it not?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: nubbins`: and what precisely the claim's root? that mircea_popescu paid twice? that the funds were his and the loan a breach of contract?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: jurov: how frequently do mpex withdrawals go out with 0-fee txns?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but clearly these are all points that only dirigible captains may discuss over hawala shortwave.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and to beleabour the point, ka^H^Hbitbet the scouting party sacrificed to establish the new front.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: or perhaps the bitbet rifle is proportionate to the value of $item were item btc.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: perhaps rifle cost is actually proportionate to value of $item! heck, a month like 7/15 would cover the loa^Hss.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: (couldn't possibly own stock, coins, can barely work a paste buffer much less gpg-tron, owns no real computers etc etc)
(trilema) ben_vulpes only a curious kourt klown
(trilema) ben_vulpes: how did blowing the coins serve to defend bitbet?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: shareholder sentiment seems most opinionated about s.mpoe
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;later tell nubbins` you're starting to sound a bit like tiberius!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: perhaps the cartel got away. perhaps someone else cares to bet against mircea_popescu's bitcoin prognostications.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "what makes bitbet not fairlay" if i understand the kakobreka-ism
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-03-2016#1424673 << the "mp or bb coins" question is trivially answerable by walking the blockchain and bitbet.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: bitbet's addresses are not so much public as waved eagerly to the world, and mpex' barely advertised, and i'd split my sides laughing at the notion there was only the one public mpex address
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 'tis quite obvious why this had to be done with poor kakobrekla's property and not his own.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: near as i can tell, mircea_popescu went to pop a mining cartel and only caught a sybil.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what out-of-wot advice is this? and why send the wire twice instead of calling your drinking buddies who /use the same bank/ to ask if /their/ wires are in the habit of simply not showing up and what they've done in the past in the circumstances
(trilema) ben_vulpes: *undeservedly underexamined*
(trilema) ben_vulpes: with*
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-03-2016#1420397 << tastes great woth
(trilema) ben_vulpes: [02:12:30] [mircea_popescu] so then, upon advice, i sent it separately. and it went through within half hour. AFTER WHICH somehow the txn was magically found, and… this time it wasn't dropped from mempool ? what changed since last week, mempool is even bigger now. << most underexamined line in this whole saga to date.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: TomServo: in what way?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/#comment-116719 << sig(digest, pkey). this does nothing for the transacting protocol, but ensures that the device that mined a block /also/ has the privkey for the block subsidy.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i think that the above change would necessitate a new genesis block, as i suspect that difficulty is far too high for the hardware capable of hashing as described to generate a single block in any sort of reasonable time
(trilema) ben_vulpes: unknown actor lol
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-capacity-nightmare-fees-reality/ << annals of "don't mention qntra whatever you do"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: duh yeah `addr` field not necessary
(trilema) ben_vulpes: if it's possible to confirm that the contents of `sig` corresponded to the *single* `addr` to which the block subsidy+fees (eg first transaction) pays out, i believe that the addidional `addr` header field could be omitted.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://cascadianhacker.com/trilema_comment.txt << in case anyone is waiting on mp
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/#comment-116712 << asciilifeform, mod6, jurov, PeterL, mircea_popescu, kakobrekla (in moderation, hopefully passes the bowels of mircea_popescu's wprexen soon)
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: how would you limit the number of addresses/coinbases in a pow-for-addr scheme?
(trilema) ben_vulpes eagerly anticipating mircea_popescu's bitcoin eulogy
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no time
(trilema) ben_vulpes: so cartelization, preservation of extant btc distribution not even desireable. sounds like a new genesis, altcoin, if the prototype is even preserveable?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: quite mizerable.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: seveneves!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: complain to fluffypony he took what, 3 minutes?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it aint' great, asciilifeform
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but yes that too
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://hackingdistributed.com/2014/06/18/how-to-disincentivize-large-bitcoin-mining-pools/
(trilema) ben_vulpes: nono
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but that's all i've found so far.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i found an antipooling design 'idea' on hackingdistributed
(trilema) ben_vulpes: did i miss a fork proposal for july that would nuke miner cartelization, or perhaps even pooled mining?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: #bitcoin-design, rather
(trilema) ben_vulpes: #bitcoin-redesign
(trilema) ben_vulpes: aha
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: how distribute coins without mining?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: now that's a thought-provoker.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !up felipelalli
(trilema) ben_vulpes: cuomoo
(trilema) ben_vulpes: MOOOOOO
(trilema) ben_vulpes: noty.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but track it?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: when it coughs up lols, i'll lol
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the whole electoral farce
(trilema) ben_vulpes: look i'm always down to see people humiliate themselves or be humiliated but the acres of derping around before the hammer comes down isn't edging its just fucking boring
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ask someone who cares
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what is the 'comecon'?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: THE ACID TRIP NEVER ENDS
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1875089-hillary-clinton-gano-las-primarias-en-carolina-del-sur-con-casi-el-80-de-los-votos << eso?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i just threw up in my mouth
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2016#1421377 << today i learn that dirigibilists drink vermouth qua vermouth
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: link to clitler speach?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i do admire the stairs-barely-bolted-to-the-wall argentine asthetic
(trilema) ben_vulpes: remember that, asciilifeform ? we had more or less the whole upstairs to ourselves?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2016#1421354 << sounds like the band asciilifeform and i got as far away from as possible while still able to gawk at the audience in bsas!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: noted, ty.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: fascinating.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: thoughts on the x60 vs x61?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: while "there's nothing wrong with addr reuse" made sense once upon a time, the new regime is that "tell people where you're sleeping, and they'll come murder you there".
(trilema) ben_vulpes: this conflict is rooted in the addr reuse thread.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/richard-serra-in-the-qatari-desert << another point on the 'what is art' curve and discussion
(trilema) ben_vulpes: https://www.gagosian.com/exhibitions/october-27-2009--richard-serra ehehueh it's a vagina
(trilema) ben_vulpes: serra, pardon
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and i don't want any more fucking scultors enough people already look at sera and say "oh herp derp i can make shapes with plate steel"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ballet is 'start when you're five and dedicate your life to it and 95% of you will fail to accomplish anything in the art even after doing so through your mid twenties at which point your body will be ruined and your mind will have forgone all education in pursuit of the art"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: how the fuck is ballet accessible
(trilema) ben_vulpes: a that
(trilema) ben_vulpes: where in the log might inquiring minds read this caselaw, mircea_popescu ?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the account persists on mpex until mircea_popescu cleans it out
(trilema) ben_vulpes wonders who else would k
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mpex
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu's thing doesn't care about what's in deedbot-, does it?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: broker*
(trilema) ben_vulpes: that'd be a contract between you and your broken, no?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and only if the estate controls the key!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: PeterL: no caselaw
(trilema) ben_vulpes: give the show away?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: sure sure
(trilema) ben_vulpes: because "from whom to rent"?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: wondering if you saw it reorg'd out
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: did you pay to have a block mined including your transaction before sending the dup?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: china-san lol
(trilema) ben_vulpes: so far none of the bag^H^H^Hshareholders seem to give a shit
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !t m s.bbet
(trilema) ben_vulpes gives up, falls over, dies, rots, blows away
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and starfish means?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ah replace by fee
(trilema) ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: what does all of this mean
(trilema) ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: starfish? rbf?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: fucking poverty of abstractions
(trilema) ben_vulpes: c++ is an american programming language all right
(trilema) ben_vulpes: bit twiddling for motherfucking arithmetic?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: THIS IS WRONG
(trilema) ben_vulpes: b-but nBits is an int
(trilema) ben_vulpes: were simple sensible human mathematics too dirty for satoshi and company?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ugh
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and have always been allies with buttlandia
(trilema) ben_vulpes: punkman: lol
(trilema) ben_vulpes: hanbot has sensitive bets in flight?!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: right because '>>' can be overridden at the...object(?) level in c++
(trilema) ben_vulpes: aaaaa
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i have had two beers and a glass of wine since 5pm and none of that has made me nearly as ill as this line of cpp
(trilema) ben_vulpes hums 'throw the jew down the well'
(trilema) ben_vulpes: double right angles means 'put this value over here', right? but how does it make sense to put nBits into...24?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ( asciilifeform: 'markoving')
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no less than usual
(trilema) ben_vulpes: or however you spell your name
(trilema) ben_vulpes experimenting with two-line popescu/datstoievsky fusions
(trilema) ben_vulpes: as reported in the grey whore!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: gl0rious v1ctory!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the fiat competition was supposed to solve this, but unfortunately the trumpenreich is just TOO GODDAMN INCOMPETENT TO EVEN COMPETE WITH THE CHICOMS
(trilema) ben_vulpes: are there no hashrentiers in the wot?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: this was a thread?!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: rental miners
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-03-2016#1419855 << you know, if the cost of running a pool is only 1% over subsidy + fees...
(trilema) ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: plz to replace 'o' with '0' in my comment if possible
(trilema) ben_vulpes: since when is english a supported language
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: why would the cartel have picked up the original 0 fee transaction instead of the feeful later?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it /should/ be 'parsimoniously'
(trilema) ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: 'parsimoniously'
(trilema) ben_vulpes: clang
(trilema) ben_vulpes: sorry
(trilema) ben_vulpes: er yes
(trilema) ben_vulpes: works like a chaaaarm
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mod6: phf dumped a patch in the logs for compiling under gcc
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i have no idea if this is fast or slow
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 5s after adding a printf to shiva.cpp
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i have no idea if this is an abnormally long or short time
(trilema) ben_vulpes: on a 2.66 GHz IC2Duo.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-03-2016#1419829 << with phf's patch (are you going to post that to the ML or shall i?), my post-clean compile takes 1m 16s
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mod6: this is 'rotor_bitcoin_only.sh' in the rotor tarball
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-03-2016#1419758 << very much i do
(trilema) ben_vulpes: waiwut how does it make economic sense to not release blocks?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !s zoolag
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !up Anduck
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and what is 'cdb' mircea_popescu ?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: wait how is phyctor going to be +ev?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ( jurov i chuckled )
(trilema) ben_vulpes: fractally bad code
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'd like to see that list!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the hundred dollar store is pretty funny
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ofc
(trilema) ben_vulpes: probably more crowded than anything mircea_popescu engages in willingly, and i don't even like it.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: some real horrific tiny house gypsy shit: 2 adults, 1 infant and 80lbs of ferocious lovedog in a queen bed
(trilema) ben_vulpes: stirs a mite, gets fed, goes back to sleep.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: well he sleeps through the night, let's start there
(trilema) ben_vulpes: putting the pressure on to get him into his bassinet more regularly
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mhm!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: must be that dogecoin guy again
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i wonder how the conversation drifted from parenting to shillcoins
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351555 << four months in, beginning to reheheheally feel this
(trilema) ben_vulpes: MORE FROWNING
(trilema) ben_vulpes: starting to give a shit about his dad yet?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: pardon, i misremembered.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: your first was a male?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: there's only so much damage the little fuckling can do in 485 ft2
(trilema) ben_vulpes: cazalla: rolled over the other day!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: two dowries!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: that's two!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: b/g?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: how many weeks along?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: anyways, how's the second cooking, cazalla ?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: why so butthurt
(trilema) ben_vulpes: well i'm just having a conversation with an old friend i haven't seen in a few weeks, but thanks for getting involved!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'll not talk to any 'staff-emeritus' in pm
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !up SuchWow if you have complaints to render feel free to do so here
(trilema) ben_vulpes: well hi!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ah and assbot yelled at me too
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !down SuchWow
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !up SuchWow
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !down cazalla
(trilema) ben_vulpes: can we down each other?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: yeah, i saw the second go through, but i don't think there's a guarantee that *you* did the second one.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: hm actually i upped you so how would i know
(trilema) ben_vulpes: briefly considered 'cock in hand'
(trilema) ben_vulpes: heh
(trilema) ben_vulpes: cazalla: good to see you key in hand
(trilema) ben_vulpes: punkman: like 10ms? 100ms? 1s?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: hey boss
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !up cazalla
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i am also curious to hear about how long the bitcoind recompile is in your various workflows, asciilifeform, phf, mod6, punkman, jurov
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395250 << asciilifeform what was the actual trigger for the blackhole? requesting a specific transaction?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: not interested in btc politics botneko-chan ? just in it for the ddos?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: botneko-chan: ^^
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what do the Core people think about increasing the block size?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: botneko-chan: what is Core?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: phf, nevermind, i'm a classic core derp
(trilema) ben_vulpes: there's no actual panic, botneko-chan. there are a zillion for-hire-for-pennies social media accounts supporting some nsa plants attempts to matter with kindergarten grade psyops.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: wtf this was working yesterday
(trilema) ben_vulpes: running the /exact same/ bitcoind command runs something that i can telnet into and scream lisp at
(trilema) ben_vulpes: while last night the swank flags worked just handily, tonight, passing the swank flag to a booting bitcoind results in an error, "too short", from scheme.cpp
(trilema) ben_vulpes: phf: here's a stumper
(trilema) ben_vulpes: HOOOOOOOOOO
(trilema) ben_vulpes: there's one for the dustbin.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: flycheck just deleted the contents of an entire buffer
(trilema) ben_vulpes: welp
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: and the reason you picked tinyscheme over say ecl is...footprint? dreppers in ecl?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: jurov: highly nifty
(trilema) ben_vulpes: because the counterparty in this conversation is not thinking of gossipd as a device but a proggy that runs on a computer.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "pff line speed. you still need to get the buffered packets from the kernel into userspace, and that's an abstraction you'll have a hard time getting around."
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "yeah man! big challenge though is to get it to operate at line speed."
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what's your cad poison of choice?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mwell now that you ask...
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "because lol what we're going to fab our own chips?"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: got someone bought in on the "drop on first packet or gtfo" mentality, but still have to conquer the "well first you have to transfer the IP buffered packets into user space" mindset
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but really it's ambiguous for a reason
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the fbi's side - why would they argue apple's side?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the only line i have for coworkers and plebs on this topic is "you haven't thought for half a second why the /nsa/ didn't bring this suit?"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: > juices flowing
(trilema) ben_vulpes: gold, fluffypony
(trilema) ben_vulpes: heh
(trilema) ben_vulpes bites
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i found one in rubby
(trilema) ben_vulpes: why are all of the self-hosted rss readers written in php
(trilema) ben_vulpes: tastes great with alf_dog
(trilema) ben_vulpes: https://github.com/ethereum/EIPs/blob/master/EIPS/eip-2.mediawiki and https://github.com/ethereum/EIPs/blob/master/EIPS/eip-7.md, although the latter is only noted as a hardfork on a blog page
(trilema) ben_vulpes: hue, ether's hardforking already?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what flavor of linux though?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: looks like i changed nicks 7/29/2014
(trilema) ben_vulpes: at mp's prompting i added a plastic handheld thing to the shower
(trilema) ben_vulpes: sheesh this is like when i moved to new york and people were astonished to learn that there's electricity west of the rockies
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i have tp ffs jurov
(trilema) ben_vulpes: american pashtun!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: AM PASHTUN
(trilema) ben_vulpes shits in sink, eats from toilet bowl, never knew to do anything else before 2013
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415503 << mount her on a bicycle, pilfer a bottle from the office, mash around the city on bikes, break onto the in-decomissionment sellwood bridge and fuck on it? iono man what does one do with random girls anyways
(trilema) ben_vulpes: sure as hell beats drinking the horror at my own existence away
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-02-2016#1416923 << this girl i'm rather fond of convinced me that it wasn't a half-bad way to spend thirty years while my brain rots building apps for various usg tentacles.