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kakobrekla: sorta old (4 days)
BingoBoingo strongly suspects the outcome is going to be a brokered convention with Trump continuing his run and losing on a third party or independent ticket
BingoBoingo: <kakobrekla> sorta old (4 days) << <kakobrekla> sorta old (4 days)
BingoBoingo: ^http://qntra.net/2016/03/ransomware-comes-to-osx-bittorrent-client/
BingoBoingo: sorry
kakobrekla: ah
kakobrekla: my bad.
BingoBoingo: it happens
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ben_vulpes: phf: whatsat, forest park?
ben_vulpes: also dood wtf you stop in the city, swing through powells, and can't go 2 mi out of the way to get your eyes on my fp and mine on yours?
ben_vulpes: woulda taken all of ten minutes to swing through the office and you'd have left with at least three bottles of literally unprocureable elsewhere dundee wines
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 10.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Donald Trump will win the 2016 United States Presidential Election - http://bitbet.us/bet/1250/donald-trump-will-win-the-2016-united-states/#b35
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shinohai: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 421.9, vol: 6283.83820480 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 421.0, vol: 6771.87737 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 423.58, vol: 18864.3173366 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 425.0, vol: 1.67574497 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 426.80832, vol: 45131.61010000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 421.521, vol: 3283.97378095 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 426.08604, vol: 67.71487241 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
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shinohai: https://i.imgur.com/U2jiFxh.jpg <<< lel
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1QMeOxA )
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2016#1430316 << they're doing the same in argentina, all the bored she-derps in the press and media generally feel ever so threatened by him.
assbot: Logged on 11-03-2016 04:57:03; cazalla: re: trump image.. you know that's all they're talking about here in the oz media, trump this, trump that, you'd think he was running for PM of aus
mircea_popescu: they had bought into the ustard liberal nonsense, how is this possibru! church of clinton&hussein, best in world!
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mircea_popescu: #nounamenos!11
mircea_popescu: oh oops, i think it's spelled #quantanamena or something.
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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2016#1430320 << nah, he's winning on third party and buries gop 4evar.
assbot: Logged on 11-03-2016 05:00:18; *: BingoBoingo strongly suspects the outcome is going to be a brokered convention with Trump continuing his run and losing on a third party or independent ticket
mircea_popescu: best lulz outcome.
mircea_popescu: if you run the data, it'd actually be BETTER for him if they refuse to nominate. helps more than hinders with voters.
mircea_popescu: ;;ud fp
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=FP&defid=1022662 | FP. F.P. or Fag Potential is a person whos sexuality is doubtfull; somone who can be straight but in his actions/clothing/talking/mannerisms can act gay. Gaylord: ...
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ?
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mircea_popescu: and in other news, the butt mark! http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbafqkYUis1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1XhQkg6 )
PeterL: hey, some of my work got cited in the WSJ: http://archive.is/BUGGs
assbot: Laundry Detergent From Jessica Alba’s Honest Co. Contains Ingredient It Pledged to Avoid - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1XhQwMp )
shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2016#1430369 <<< it's surprisingly easy to get these from any docs office on unsecured lan xD
assbot: Logged on 11-03-2016 13:09:14; mircea_popescu: and in other news, the butt mark! http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbafqkYUis1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: ajhaha nice PeterL
mircea_popescu: care to make a brief qntra ? it's lulzy enough i think
shinohai: #fail (-_-\)
PeterL: Sure, I could put something together
PeterL: can I add more quotes from me, they only quoted my coworker in the article?
mircea_popescu: which is you, impact analyutical ?
PeterL: yep
mircea_popescu: you can add whatever you want, your article.
PeterL: aha
mircea_popescu: personal authority, it's a thing. you were there, you saw it, as long as you're willing to swear to it, that'\s what it is.
mircea_popescu: who dun like it can swear to something else.
shinohai: worked for the parents who swore maple syrup trumps science.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2016#1430262 << i was moved to this chimp reservation as 9yo, this was in old thread, aha
assbot: Logged on 11-03-2016 04:33:35; mircea_popescu: wait, you lived there whole lyf ?!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is unsanitary. "live in most of the world" is CERTAINLY a step in making mps.
asciilifeform: got net pipe soon after, grew up malignantly asocial
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that would need MONEY
mircea_popescu: this may be a crippling impediment in children, but it is not in adults. i had a girl like that, she was ordered to pick up girls in the street every day. and she did. and it went away.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform money, my dear alf, is by and large a crutch. if you need money to make friends the problem's not the money.
asciilifeform: anyway i'm certainly no mircea_popescu , just a half-man chimeric dr mengele creation.
asciilifeform: gurlz are programmable.
mircea_popescu: and what, your own head is bad chinese fpga and you misplaced teh keys ?
asciilifeform: antifuse.
mircea_popescu: you know, it's funny
mircea_popescu: that's what the gurlz think, also.
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asciilifeform: nobody rechips male nobodies under microscope, harem is an asymmetrical thing
asciilifeform: if your ballz are still attached - yer on your own.
asciilifeform: fwiw.
mircea_popescu: there is that.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is an upside to the 24years of kolyma. i dun think anyone alive hates this place, as ~accurately~ and deeply as i do.
asciilifeform: i hate every speck of dust on every pavement tile.
mircea_popescu: lol so what, gonna move into poetry ?
asciilifeform: just to point out.
asciilifeform: !s http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbafqkYUis1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1XhQkg6 )
assbot: 0 results for 'http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbafqkYUis1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2F36.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_mbafqkYUis1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: wat?!
asciilifeform: 2 just today
asciilifeform: but i was quite certain we had it before, in december maybe
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asciilifeform: i still have nfi how #b-a search actually worx, it certainly is not grep-compat.
mircea_popescu: uh
mircea_popescu: wut ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2016#1430369
assbot: Logged on 11-03-2016 13:09:14; mircea_popescu: and in other news, the butt mark! http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbafqkYUis1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: hm was before ?
asciilifeform: i thought so.
mircea_popescu: hm... i just grepped log ? nope ?
mircea_popescu: are you confusing ukr blondy for another ukr blondy perhaps ?
mircea_popescu: or maybe different teeny slut wore the same buttstring to teh beach.
asciilifeform: with anatomy school backdrop
asciilifeform: definitely had that before
mircea_popescu: ah, that yes.
mircea_popescu: same studio, wadda ya want, new scenography ?
mircea_popescu: new coat of wallpaint costs 10x more than new girls.
asciilifeform: l0l
mircea_popescu: and EVEN SO human reproduction is overly expensive
mircea_popescu: in biologic terms.
asciilifeform: even more expensive if you reintroduce QA as per yesterday thread !111
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: '...for your convenience we have packaged the defective 8% of transistors you asked for, separately!' (tm) (r)
mircea_popescu: depends to. the problem here is that high value males are interested in owning females, not interested in producing litter. consequently, western world has fertility crisis.
mircea_popescu: if society were actually sane, i'd prolly reproduce, so the cost issue is iffy.
asciilifeform: ~nobody cares to breed muppets for hitler's army.
mircea_popescu: quite.
mircea_popescu: even without shoehorning "hitler" in here, the only sane way reproduction works is that i have life and death power over any offspring until they go on their own.
asciilifeform: aha!
mircea_popescu: then the female drive to reproduce is finally balanced, and i frankly wouldn't care if they want or don't want to get pregnant, make your own choices.
asciilifeform: recall the thread we had when i was at c3.
mircea_popescu: vaguely, which ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-04-2015#1106799
assbot: Logged on 22-04-2015 03:59:18; ascii_lander: i would like the ability to shoot them, for example, at any age
mircea_popescu: possibly shooting no good. you wanna kill it, you gotta strangle it. stab it. something.
mircea_popescu: shooting's too clean.
asciilifeform: drown. traditinal!
asciilifeform: !s dumplings
assbot: 20 results for 'dumplings' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dumplings
mircea_popescu: i guess.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2014#509010
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2014 22:04:18; asciilifeform: they pass an old man who says, 'don't drown this fellow. i'll feed him dumplings, he won't have to do any work but to dip them'
asciilifeform: as it is i'd rather eat nagant.
asciilifeform: for offspring you need sane world + economic surplus (at least at the not-being-in-labour-camp level)
mircea_popescu: demographically it's rather lulzy, tho. take europe : it went through three to twelve generations of this negative selection, 0 reproduction from higher value individuals, depending how you count the generations. and, woe of woes : BEFORE, the better tatars came raiding, and raped. so it fixed things, for a century or two.
asciilifeform: or, alternatively, being stray dog who doesnt giveafuq
mircea_popescu: but now, the higher value arabs are ALSO sitting home with the bitches, and sending the runts over.
mircea_popescu: there is ~no way europe doesn't turn into africa.
mircea_popescu: it's like, "take the lowest quartile of this population, let it reproduce with the lower quartile of that population, see what you get"
mircea_popescu: i dunno, flying mice ?
asciilifeform: subsahara aha
asciilifeform: coming soon to an africa near you.
mircea_popescu: that's the thing various derps dun wanna say. sure, numerically, 500mn europe, what does it care about 5mn immigrants.
asciilifeform: 5mn snackbat cox tho
asciilifeform: snackbar
mircea_popescu: well, it cares, because that 500mn europe has a 1.x children per woman, and 90% of them are made with idiots, and the 5mn are... also idiots. once you start looking at the actual demographic breakdown, it couldn't really take 50k of the derps.
asciilifeform: incidentally i wonder if tatar rape therapy even works any moar - many (most?) of the prospective 'patients' take steroidal bc pill...
mircea_popescu: wouldn't work, no.
asciilifeform: so then.
mircea_popescu: what, you were under the impression i was proposing solutions ?
mircea_popescu: i'm just explaining why i'd rather kandahar than holland is all.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-11-2015#1324872 << thread
assbot: Logged on 15-11-2015 16:37:59; mircea_popescu: and em-poor-en.
asciilifeform: nah they do solutions in the solution house.
asciilifeform: on mars.
asciilifeform: here on earth we do: problemz
mircea_popescu: 2015 europe had 5mn live births. selected for suckage. add 5mn from outside, idem selected, suddenly it looks like it is.
asciilifeform bbl, mounting stake
mircea_popescu: and mind you, the idiocy is quite infectious. they way they state it is that "eu-28 showed signs of increasing fertility but the trend reversed".
mircea_popescu: irl, "romania, poland et all didn't have the problem - until they joined eu".
mircea_popescu: because yes, romania poland et all did have a sort-of, "i made you an' ima kill you, now go learn that fucking multiplication table". again, until "aquis"
mircea_popescu: they say it in latin, too, as if that makes eau d'idiot something valuable now.
mircea_popescu: the "aquis", the codified idiocy we've slowly coallesced into gallows.
mircea_popescu: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/11414064/How-Europe-is-slowly-dying-despite-an-increasing-world-population.html << great map there. who doesn't have the problem ? oh, the uk, because
assbot: How Europe is slowly dying despite an increasing world population - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1LWxI4q )
mircea_popescu: !s rotherham
assbot: 15 results for 'rotherham' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=rotherham
mircea_popescu: and france. because hey, same deal, no press.
mircea_popescu: i thought i had written up irreversible, but apparently not ? anyway, http://hollywoodabuse.com/monica-belluccis-anal-rape-scene/
assbot: Monica Bellucci’s anal rape scene ... ( http://bit.ly/1XhYXXW )
mircea_popescu: that poor woman, she's done no film without a rape scene in it. if there ever was an actor that actually answered to the higher call of the profession, it's probably her. and yet people will readily ignore the point and focus on anything and everything, "hey, random stupid broad with nothing to say wants us to buy detergent!"
nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2016#1430155 << i used to be this way too
assbot: Logged on 11-03-2016 03:25:36; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2016#1430137 << getting out of bed every day is a fucking compromise for me.
nubbins`: i assumed this was "normal" until it just stopped happening one day
PeterL: BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/46717797-1efb-4cde-bd4c-a6674a46e32a/?raw=true
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LWzfaS )
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danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2016#1430365 << mega-l0l!!!
assbot: Logged on 11-03-2016 13:05:46; mircea_popescu: ;;ud fp
danielpbarron: i assume he meant fingerprint, as in the gpg variety
mircea_popescu: hehe
PeterL: mircea_popescu re:map of birthrates, any explanation for why thailand is so low? the other low places are japan and europe, which have been developed for a while, thailand seems an outlier
mircea_popescu: i'm entirely unsure. ladyboys ?
mircea_popescu: thailand is a pretty interesting case - back in the 90s it seemed very well positioned to become a tech superpower. then... fizzled, somehow. korea won.
PeterL: could also just be where they put the cutoff for the colors, thailand barely makes the bottom category, US and canada are barely into the next color
thestringpuller: eventually birthrate -> 0 and we have children of men?
mircea_popescu: PeterL aha.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller no, eventually birthrate -> .5 and we forgot this particular hittite empire ever existed, just like all the other ones.
mircea_popescu: not like it made anything that'd be remembered once it stops paying for the service.
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asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2016#1430497 << stopped how ?
assbot: Logged on 11-03-2016 14:12:45; nubbins`: i assumed this was "normal" until it just stopped happening one day
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deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump will win the 2016 United States Presidential Election - http://bitbet.us/bet/1250/donald-trump-will-win-the-2016-united-states/#b39
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kakobrekla: http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/40505.html
assbot: mjg59 | I stayed in a hotel with Android lightswitches and it was just as bad as you'd imagine ... ( http://bit.ly/1LWTgxS )
shinohai: why does lightswitch need to know whoami ?
PeterL: shinohai so they can display personalized ads all around you
thestringpuller: haha!
shinohai: adblock for lightswitches and toasters.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> if you run the data, it'd actually be BETTER for him if they refuse to nominate. helps more than hinders with voters. << yeah, this way he prolly gets 20-27% of general election vote, GOP nominee gets 20-27% of vote, and Clitler gets 51.5%
shinohai: https://twitter.com/Bitstamp/status/708289009873784832
PeterL: In Mich if you are on a primary ballot, you cannot be listed as an independent or other party for the general, I had to write in Gary Johnson in 2012
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trinque: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/mar/10/apple-fbi-could-force-us-to-turn-on-iphone-cameras-microphones << check out Apple dropping hints
assbot: FBI could force us to turn on iPhone cameras and microphones, says Apple | Technology | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1pkIQyn )
trinque: could my ass
asciilifeform: 'nsa could force us to capture packets' -- at&t
trinque: so now we'll have "had the debate" as per BingoBoingo, and the above will be overt SOP
asciilifeform: 'farmer could force us to live in own shit' -- pigs
asciilifeform: 'shit could force us to eat it' -- fly
trinque: lol
PeterL: asciilifeform re:quiet computer, have you considered having big computer in basement, using a chrombox-like thing as a silent terminal?
asciilifeform: PeterL: i have no basement.
PeterL: well, closet far from chair?
asciilifeform: or i'd have run dvi-over-fiber long ago
PeterL: attic?
asciilifeform: i don't have a proper place for this.
asciilifeform: at all.
asciilifeform: attic is not hermetically sealed.
asciilifeform: very high humidity there, year round.
asciilifeform: and megatonnes of dirt blowing in.
PeterL: I guess this just goes back to thread on "your rent (per sqft) is too damn high"
asciilifeform: this is only half the story
asciilifeform: in places where it is lower, the pay is ALSO lowe.
asciilifeform: r
asciilifeform: and outside of MAJOR population centers, there is ZERO work for folks like me.
asciilifeform: but to go back to the question, it is a ludicrous 'dirigible' solution
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11950 @ 0.00053052 = 6.3397 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: a machined copper heat sink might be costly,
asciilifeform: but at least it would not be a RECURRING cost.
asciilifeform: INTO ETERNITY
asciilifeform: wtf.
asciilifeform: why the fuck would i rent a gigantic mansion just to silence computer.
asciilifeform: why not put it in an airplane then.
asciilifeform: yes, possibly mircea_popescu's pc is in orbit.
asciilifeform: and the terminal - is kept in a slavegurl's arse.
asciilifeform: but this is not a useful recipe to me.
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2016#1429762 whole discussion reminded me of shit i heard several times "this linux admin we had was always tinkering with the server and there was always something broken. we switched to windows server with IIS and all is swell now!"
assbot: Logged on 11-03-2016 00:10:56; asciilifeform: no one wants to LIVE badly enough
asciilifeform: why not put out their eyes.
asciilifeform: so they can see even less broken !
asciilifeform: !s room would be empty
assbot: 3 results for 'room would be empty' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=room+would+be+empty
deedbot-: [Qntra] "Honest" Soap Scandal Deepens: A Chemist Speaks - http://qntra.net/2016/03/honest-soap-scandal-deepens-a-chemist-speaks/
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jurov: I don't like laureate-contining stuff because it's hard to wash off.
BingoBoingo: I'm indifferent to it
jurov: And when i do repeat and wash it off, the skin is left completely stripped of fat film, which is not healthy.
BingoBoingo: Aha, this is why it can be an irritant
jurov: well, i know people "indifferent to it" the developed hand eczemas after 20y of using it.
jurov: *then
jurov: oh, it is irritant if you get it into the eyes
BingoBoingo: Skin's a tricky thing
BingoBoingo: But yeah, eyes really need their film
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BingoBoingo doesn't understand what was so wrong about lye soap
asciilifeform: so ~that's~ what was in evil soap
asciilifeform: i have a list of soaps that ughh won'twashoff
asciilifeform: not to ever buy.
BingoBoingo: Yes, it is in all of the evil soaps
asciilifeform: at least room temperature cheese one will never buy by chance.
BingoBoingo: But detergent pretending to be honest soap hides well
BingoBoingo: until wet
BingoBoingo: !up pigeons
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BingoBoingo: Won a "comedy hack day" prize https://archive.is/9ZwAW
assbot: New App Splits Meal Bills So White Males Pay Extra for Their Privilege | Alternet ... ( http://bit.ly/1YH5pcg )
pete_dushenski: l0l
pete_dushenski: i guess from now on massa is just gonna pick up the tab for his slaves
pete_dushenski: https://www.technologyreview.com/s/600980/a-bitcoin-style-currency-for-central-banks/ << prb-fork contender
assbot: A Bitcoin-Style Currency for Central Banks ... ( http://bit.ly/1YH6gKf )
pete_dushenski: http://www0.cs.ucl.ac.uk/staff/G.Danezis/papers/ndss16currencies.pdf << related lolpaper
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1QN7tO4 )
fluffypony: https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/47z1xd/in_the_future_will_we_be_using_ethereumlike/d0gf65j
assbot: vbuterin comments on In the future, will we be using Ethereum-like (& slock.it like) tech to document consensual sexual intercourse? ... ( http://bit.ly/1QN7uln )
pete_dushenski: da fuck is '$xxx' gonna do to raise a child ?
jurov: didn't he go further? like, upload your genome to eth, and let it procreate
fluffypony: I have no words
trinque: "A small collection of third-party organizations would be chosen by the central bank to process new transactions and submit them for inclusion in the central ledger." << >> http://biblehub.com/revelation/13-16.htm
assbot: Revelation 13:16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, ... ( http://bit.ly/1YH7Co9 )
trinque: not that I'm religious.
pete_dushenski: like ash wednesday, every day
pete_dushenski: "Billionaire investor and Palantir co-founder Peter Thiel tells Fortune that he thinks that Palantir's data software can actually help end ubiquitous surveillance by showing agencies like the NSA exactly who's up to no good, so they can leave everybody else alone." << fuck thiel with alf's telephone pole-sized stake. who is dumb enough to believe that this is how ~anything~ works ?
pete_dushenski: specifically, that the nsa doesn't leave ~everyone alone as a matter of practical necessity ?
thestringpuller: this ties into Big Data "alchemist's AI" discussion
pete_dushenski: and, hell, alphago
thestringpuller: meh. being a huge fan of AI, I understand the harware yet exists to create more formative models of "intelligence"
thestringpuller: the next best thing is data mining and running it through "machine learning" to create models.
thestringpuller: Pure unsupervised learning I don't think is possible which I guess ascii and I both yearn for...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7792 @ 0.00052898 = 4.1218 BTC [+] {4}
pete_dushenski: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/bitcoin-blockchain-summit-with-richard-branson-on-necker-island << for enteblockchainologists only
assbot: My Wet and Wild Bitcoin Weekend On Richard Branson's Island Refuge | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1YHbuFI )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7876 @ 0.0005257 = 4.1404 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: wats with all the redditesque crud.
asciilifeform: snore.
asciilifeform can't be bothered to read any
pete_dushenski: well, you have a stake to sit on, neh ?
pete_dushenski: reddit is like a pseudo-stake for people who don't otherwise have one, but care to dip their toes in now and again
asciilifeform: that would make sense if it paid people
pete_dushenski: people don't need to be paid. pee-ple. not redditards, now.
pete_dushenski: or people need to be paid but it's not stake-bad
asciilifeform: what i mean is, i shovel boring crud for money.
asciilifeform: but i can't fathom why to do it voluntarily.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4324 @ 0.00053038 = 2.2934 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: "we should have wine at work every friday" - the girls in my department
trinque: sounds like a great tradition in the making
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11968 @ 0.00052545 = 6.2886 BTC [-]
jurov: thestringpuller: propose topless days
pete_dushenski: for the men only
jurov: !t m x.eur
assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00263 / 0.00295359 / 0.00304264 (264 shares, 0.78 BTC), 7D: 0.00254491 / 0.00280379 / 0.00370358 (3016 shares, 8.46 BTC), 30D: 0.00253517 / 0.00275579 / 0.00370358 (11971 shares, 32.99 BTC)
jurov: ;;calc 1/0.00295359
gribble: 338.571027123
jurov: should i call this bull or bear?
pete_dushenski: depends how hairy
jurov: or call davout?
asciilifeform: <+jurov> should i call this bull or bear? << boar.
jurov: ;;ticker --currency eur --market bitcoin-central
gribble: Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR ticker | Best bid: 376.79, Best ask: 380.99, Bid-ask spread: 4.20000, Last trade: 381.0, 24 hour volume: 39.71691309, 24 hour low: 371.4, 24 hour high: 383.98, 24 hour vwap: 379.89636294
jurov: ^ just to make sense to logreaders
jurov: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-10/incredible-story-how-hackers-stole-100-million-new-york-fed << what should alf be doing instead
assbot: The Incredible Story Of How Hackers Stole $100 Million From The New York Fed | Zero Hedge ... ( http://bit.ly/1RVodlf )
jurov: he would surely not misspell "foundation" as "fandation"
jurov: Well, as it turns out, Bangladesh doesn't agree that the Fed isn't ultimately culpable. "We kept money with the Federal Reserve Bank and irregularities must be with the people who handle the funds there," Finance Minister Abul Maal Abdul Muhith said on Wednesday.
jurov: irregularities ftw!
jurov: like, some irregularities must have been with mircea_popescu when he went to experiment with bitbet funds
asciilifeform: jurov: idiotic article. as if nobodies could move 100m wherever.
BingoBoingo: http://i.imgur.com/a7wNwql.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1UZ4FPG )
jurov: asciilifeform: you don't like to see the beast bleed?
jurov: and why do you think this did not happen?
asciilifeform: jurov: the beast is not bleeding. it moved coin from its left pocket to right.
asciilifeform: let's even assume, charitably , that there WAS a theft.
asciilifeform: instead of simple launder by usg.
BingoBoingo: Maybe beast did bleed, but alf is just in wrong swamp to take delivery of blood?
asciilifeform: if you HAVE A PLACE TO PUT stolen electric fiat,
asciilifeform: YOU ARE WELL CONNECTED.
asciilifeform: what part of this is hard to understand ?
jurov: well, the image mircea projects is such that he *would* be able to provide you with account numbers on asking
jurov: so, imo worth trying
asciilifeform: fiat isn't btc, nobody walks away with irretrievable 100m.
asciilifeform: nor is it ever a permanent mystery which door to break down.
jurov: you don't need 100m, i hope
asciilifeform: nor is any organization ever seriously pwned except via substantial humint component.
jurov: such as.. guessing the right email addresses when sending transfer requests?
asciilifeform: jurov: if i knew how to rob hitler, i wouldn't be poor.
asciilifeform: what, you think my conscience would torture me ?
jurov: i have no idea what to think
jurov: wrt you
jurov: you seem to be in war, but with utterly impenetrable and undefinable entity
asciilifeform: why not clean out the fuhrer's pockets yourself, if you think you know how...
jurov: i am not in war
trinque: eh lacking the infrastructure to protect oneself this is not a heist worth pulling
trinque: and that's not something you JIT after having done so
asciilifeform: jurov: you may not be interested in the war, but, to borrow from trotsky, 'the war is quite interested in you'
jurov: i am interested but so far i have not noticed anything beyond derping noise
asciilifeform: ...?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00052946 = 3.7062 BTC [+]
jurov: i have not seen anything that can't be explained by gross incompetence
asciilifeform: srsly?!
jurov: srsly.
asciilifeform: the phork warz, mean nothing to jurov ?
asciilifeform: hearn is just an incompetent ?
asciilifeform: gavin meant well?!
asciilifeform: what is this.
trinque: he just had lunch buddies at the cia
jurov: they are just another derps
asciilifeform: j. dimon is also an innocent fool?
asciilifeform: jurov is on lsd ?
jurov: who is dimon?
asciilifeform: !s dimon
assbot: 22 results for 'dimon' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dimon
jurov: what about genjix? he was on TV, must be teh enemy!!!
asciilifeform: and waterfall never happened, aha
asciilifeform: and no one deletes tmsr material from reddit, and hn
asciilifeform: and no one stole mircea_popescu's servers.
asciilifeform: and no one power cycled phuctor.
asciilifeform: etc.
asciilifeform: ahahahaha.
asciilifeform: jurov talk to your lsd supplier plox.
asciilifeform: he is giving you impure material.
asciilifeform: and of course nobody http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-02-2016#1396681
assbot: Logged on 04-02-2016 20:42:54; ascii_butugychag: or the derp who called me on the disconnected phone?
asciilifeform: and nobody ddosed qntra, trilema
asciilifeform: and nobody http://trilema.com/2015/on-how-the-factored-4096-rsa-keys-story-was-handled-and-what-it-means-to-you
assbot: On how the factored 4096 RSA keys story was handled, and what it means to you. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1UZ9Gbe )
asciilifeform: etc.
jurov: this yes. but not gavin and hearn
asciilifeform: i suppose it was all incompetence.
asciilifeform: if incompetence is indistinguishable from wrecking, it ~IS~ wrecking.
asciilifeform: and is to be dealt with in exactly same way.
asciilifeform: we had this thread re: ninjashogun.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10831 @ 0.00053072 = 5.7482 BTC [+] {3}
trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-08-2015#1249399
assbot: Logged on 23-08-2015 05:06:06; trinque: I demand for this to never have happened at once!
asciilifeform: ;;seen ninjashogun
gribble: ninjashogun was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 18 weeks, 0 days, 14 hours, 41 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <ninjashogun> I am only interested in building real-world businesses with real income streams, not taking bitcoin investments for something and running off iwth it. (Not referencing anyone here, this was a recent case with Moolah, for example. Or at least accusation.)
asciilifeform: ;;seen strup`fndr
gribble: I have not seen strup`fndr.
asciilifeform: ;;seen strup
gribble: I have not seen strup.
asciilifeform: ;;seen strp
gribble: strp was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 23 weeks, 0 days, 0 hours, 6 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <strp> no thanks, thickasthieves. I don't have to justify talking with anyone else I talk with.
asciilifeform: frolicking with the spmalkyries in spmalhalla, isn't he.
asciilifeform: ;;seen decimation
gribble: decimation was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 30 weeks, 6 days, 17 hours, 58 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <decimation> I enjoyed my time here, learned much, had many lolz. I do not wish to cause drama or be an impediment to improving bitcoin. Even though I presently have L2 rating from a few people, I am not going impose on their good grace by remaining. God bless all of you.
asciilifeform: ;;seen polarbeard
gribble: polarbeard was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 4 days, 22 hours, 36 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <polarbeard> cpp is full of it
nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2016#1430515 << retired
assbot: Logged on 11-03-2016 15:56:24; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2016#1430497 << stopped how ?
asciilifeform: so turns out nubbins` has more in common with mircea_popescu than with asciilifeform
jurov: asciilifeform: since you nicely ennumerated the activity, how would the adacoin or your refusal to pay taxes from btc sale help against these?
nubbins`: my father retired, picked up two new part-time jobs
jurov: against meddling with servers and media?
asciilifeform: jurov: having 'key servers' or whatever central point of failure invites hitler.
nubbins`: asciilifeform mircea_popescu has a post-secondary education?!
asciilifeform: nubbins`: iirc he did.
nubbins`: imagine
asciilifeform: philosophy, iirc
nubbins`: lol.
asciilifeform: but earlier he ran away from maths
nubbins`: makes sense
nubbins`: also makes sense
asciilifeform: it is in the logz
nubbins`: if cannot grok numbers, try grokking universe
nubbins`: mathematics is an entirely philosophical pursuit fwiw
asciilifeform: iirc he grokked just fine, but decided he'd rather do business.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14175 @ 0.00052946 = 7.5051 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins` just finished setting up 6-colour job on the press
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00053073 = 4.5908 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13567 @ 0.00052944 = 7.1829 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: nubbins`: neato
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4356 @ 0.0005256 = 2.2895 BTC [-] {4}
shinohai: ok #b-a I need a wireless router, what choose?
asciilifeform: shinohai: make it yourself
asciilifeform: out of whatever fanless box + wireless nic
shinohai doesn't have a spare nic :/
jurov: i bought miniitx celeron + pci wifi card + old hdd and found out that with 8G RAM it can be used for *anything*
jurov: there's gigabyte board with 2 ports
jurov: ethernet
asciilifeform: i like 'pcengines'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15077 @ 0.00052862 = 7.97 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: amd g-series.
asciilifeform: single-board pancake thing.
BingoBoingo: If you're quarentining the wireless network to play with toys on the discontinued "airrouter HP" will offer rather good range at cheapish price. Just do srs networking on something else.
BingoBoingo: But the alf solution + quality antenna is the right way to do it.
shinohai: so dedi box it is
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15073 @ 0.00052879 = 7.9705 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: "airrouter" in one of the unfortunate ubiquiti things that does not quite have the run whatever you want ability possessed by "edgerouter lite" but for toy purposes It is hard to beat the range it offers for anything close to its price.
shinohai: i got this old cantenna here too.
shinohai: so could make a repeater
BingoBoingo has an airrouter not the HP version serving some toys here. Playing with iptables over ssh is nice, but can not run whole set of AWS blocker rules on its own without crashing.
shinohai: what firmware ?
BingoBoingo: shinohai: "airos"
shinohai: im using dd-wrt now :/
jurov: BingoBoingo: what, iptables crashes on your rules?
shinohai: this is like 0.25 from china http://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Airrouter-Ethernet-Wireless-Broadband/dp/B00V5EJS0I
assbot: Amazon.com: Ubiquiti Airrouter Ar. Hp Ieee 802.11N Ethernet Wireless Router . 2.40 Ghz Ism Band . 1 X Antenna1 X External) . 656.2 Ft Indoor Range . 150 Mbps Wireless Speed . 4 X Network Port . 1 X Broadband Port . Usb . Fast Ethernet . No Desktop "Product Type: Wireless Devices/Wireless Routers": C ... ( http://bit.ly/21ndYcf )
jurov: in other news, http://hugelolcdn.com/i700/380367.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/21neaYL )
BingoBoingo: jurov: It does on chintzy $30 wireless router when using all the AWS blocking rules generated by alf script
BingoBoingo: shinohai: It can be had cheaper
shinohai: im in the middle of a build, still shopping around
BingoBoingo: ~750 lines of iptables rules crashes it. ~100 does not.
BingoBoingo: Of all things, 'top' manages to crash it
BingoBoingo: but left in place to route it works
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.00053073 = 4.3785 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: or mebbe it is the combination of 'top' and keeping an ssh tunnel open.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00053073 = 4.9889 BTC [+]
jurov: BingoBoingo:looking at banhammer, you actually only need lines marked as EC2 as these are the evil VPSes. and changing REJECT to DROP may help with resource usage, too
BingoBoingo: jurov: Twas set as drop. Problem though may actually have been RAM contrainsts. Anyways twas a stress test. Do actual blocking elsewhere.
jurov: btw, i searched via logs and found that https://archive.is/http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-December/000187.html is not archived at archive.is
assbot: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-December/000187.html ... ( http://bit.ly/1plaZp3 )
BingoBoingo: interesting
jurov: prolly nobody used it yet.. i now archived it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7679 @ 0.00052545 = 4.0349 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: and i'd try to use raw iptables table
BingoBoingo: http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2016/03/08/up-to-speed-on-meldonium
assbot: Up to Speed on Meldonium | In the Pipeline ... ( http://bit.ly/1plcJyK )
asciilifeform: lulzy, https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-recovers-stolen-indian-artifacts-major-auction-house-ahead-asia-week-new-york
assbot: ICE recovers stolen Indian artifacts from major auction house ahead of Asia Week New York | ICE ... ( http://bit.ly/1pdLO74 )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo ^ qntra ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00052456 = 11.5403 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00052764 = 5.9096 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: lemme take a look
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00052764 = 1.794 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: jesus freenode is fucking useless is it.
kakobrekla: http://i.imgur.com/n2sHG8E.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1QNBVI5 )
shinohai: communism at it's finest.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'A huge difference: In the former Soviet block an academic scientist published in order to satisfy the party commissars of his/her proper and productive use of funds dispensed by the government. In western countries an academic scientist publishes in order to demonstrate to grant review committee members his/her proper and productive use of funds dispensed by government-funded gr
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2016#1430529 <<< i would be very surprised if clinton gets 30%.
assbot: Logged on 11-03-2016 17:32:25; BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> if you run the data, it'd actually be BETTER for him if they refuse to nominate. helps more than hinders with voters. << yeah, this way he prolly gets 20-27% of general election vote, GOP nominee gets 20-27% of vote, and Clitler gets 51.5%
asciilifeform: ant agencies. '
asciilifeform: lel
mircea_popescu: 20-something's written on her foreheads.
asciilifeform: i will be very surprised if clitler doesn't get 90%.
asciilifeform: by dieboldian fiat, naturally
asciilifeform: but i like surprises.
mircea_popescu: this is how teenagers end up shaving their head.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The US major socialist party, as designated by qntra, gets that designation because its affliated voters actually vote the party line
asciilifeform: i thought it was so the electrodes stick
mircea_popescu: used to. currently, the bottom fell out, and the local nigglets are pissed off.
BingoBoingo: permitted 3rd party and independent candidates nearly always bleed voters from US minor socialist party
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2016#1430537 << methinks you may be on to something.
assbot: Logged on 11-03-2016 18:01:59; trinque: so now we'll have "had the debate" as per BingoBoingo, and the above will be overt SOP
mircea_popescu: problem being that every tard out there already "feels like he's secretly in a movie", so this, much like gestapo stuff generally, is well desired by the genpop.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'll have to think of an axis on which to turn artifact news.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> by dieboldian fiat, naturally << The beauty of the diebold rigging is the 53% mandate makes things look contested while still ensuring safety for the most scaled lizards
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: electoral reprogramming is not to prevent the mythical 'politican does untoward thing' but rather the milder catastrophe of 'SAYS untoward thing'
mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2016/03/honest-soap-scandal-deepens-a-chemist-speaks/ << this is not so bad as a starter peterl but a) why do you discuss yourself in the 3rd person and b) why is it so aside ?
assbot: "Honest" Soap Scandal Deepens: A Chemist Speaks | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1QKZrnM )
mircea_popescu: think about yourself as a reader. then read it. is the piece all it could have been ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: a trump would be electable if he could be certain of not picking up the microphone and prattling about rothchildren
asciilifeform: *if they could be certain of him not
mircea_popescu: i find this proposition that there actually exists a us elite utterly hysterical.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You're confusing Trump the character and Trump the actor
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is not a us elite and has not been since... rockfeller ?
asciilifeform: but there is elite.
asciilifeform: '"With high demand from all corners of the globe, collectors must be certain of provenance before purchasing. I urge dealers and auction houses to take every necessary precaution to avoid facilitating the sale of cultural heritage stolen from other civilizations. If a provenance is in doubt, report it to law enforcement authorities."'
asciilifeform: ^ translation: only APPROVED thieves may steal.
asciilifeform: 'The investigation has also identified Subhash Kapoor, who is currently in custody in India awaiting trial for allegedly looting tens of millions of dollars' worth of rare antiquities from several nations. The trails of looted artifacts have been traced all around the world. Within the past twelve months, four domestic museums and one major collector have partnered with HSI to surrender illic
asciilifeform: it cultural property stemming from Kapoor.'
asciilifeform: ^ translation: a thief's license has been cancelled by hitler, he is to be dekulakized.
BingoBoingo: aha
asciilifeform: 'Since 2007, more than 8,000 artifacts have been returned to 30 countries, including paintings from France, Germany, Poland and Austria ...' << translation: usg muppet regimes need to eat, why not subsidize them cheaply by helping them to sell their art sphincter virginity multiple times
asciilifeform: france sells, usg knocks buyer on the head, sends $rembrandt back... rinse, repeat.
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: how exactly were 8000 items stolen from n countries ?
asciilifeform: by being peacefully sold to unsuspecting sacrificial goats ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2016#1430635 << nude fridays, too.
assbot: Logged on 11-03-2016 20:07:10; thestringpuller: "we should have wine at work every friday" - the girls in my department
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we have booze here at $rupturefarm
asciilifeform: it dun help.
asciilifeform: i open various cabinets in search of office supplies and keep finding liquor.
mircea_popescu: yeah wel lyou don't work at webstack firm.
asciilifeform: what do they have there? heroin ?
mircea_popescu: sluts.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2016#1430662 << he's like an impenetrable wall.
assbot: Logged on 11-03-2016 20:34:41; asciilifeform: jurov: the beast is not bleeding. it moved coin from its left pocket to right.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2016#1430671 << let me generally say that you're about in the position of afghan boy who grew up in village of men and goats opining about cunts. your ideas about "the usg", while no doubt meaningful and coherent in your own perspective, are pure metaphysics.
assbot: Logged on 11-03-2016 20:37:55; asciilifeform: fiat isn't btc, nobody walks away with irretrievable 100m.
asciilifeform: so show me the light, mircea_popescu : swift is a reversible fiat thing. no?
mircea_popescu: i'm thoroughly exhausted all patience trying to engage the thing, so let's just let you live in your own world and mark once and forever that i lend it exactly the aforementioned credence.
asciilifeform: and so if it turns out that 100m moved from a to b, and b stole, can just as easily return to a by hitlerian decree ?
mircea_popescu: i'm not engaging that particular insanity any further.
asciilifeform: 'you are wrong and your picture of universe is retarded but i won't say why' ?
asciilifeform: mega-argument.
mircea_popescu: "you are lacan. your picture of the universe is complete and unrelated to any extant universe. have fun with it."
mircea_popescu: and note that this is no argument ; this is a judgement.
asciilifeform: so the reversibility of swift and it having master control panel is not a fact of the universe we live in ?
mircea_popescu: arguments are neither possible nor interesting.
asciilifeform would liek to visit mircea_popescu's world but it doesn't sell tickets afaik.
mircea_popescu: well, like is like, can is can.
asciilifeform: ..?
mircea_popescu: the path to mp world starts by now fucking having an opinion about how swift works when you've sent a grand total of... 0 ? 10 ? what is it ?
mircea_popescu: and no, "ach" bs is not swift.
asciilifeform: i will readily admit that i have not one iota of a clue re: how it works, other than it being not-bitcoin.
asciilifeform: and thereby subject to retconning if 'international komyooonity' wills it
mircea_popescu: so you're engaging in intricate description of an item you've never seen. you need explanation of why this is psychotic ?
asciilifeform: not intricate, but particular hypothesis
mircea_popescu: hypothesis ?
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asciilifeform: i.e. that if zimbabwe gets a swift of x, and usg decides that this ought not have happened, it can be reversed.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu will tell me that this is not so ?
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry, the name for what you put out is not "hypothesis", it's justification.
asciilifeform: well is it true ?
mircea_popescu: there is no possibility of truth in your system.
mircea_popescu: it can not be true or false. as long as it's what you need to believe, it'll be there.
asciilifeform: is it because i cannot access the priors ?
mircea_popescu: because you aren't in control of the cognitive process that involves it.
asciilifeform: actually i am ready to believe that it is - or is not - true, if it could be anchored to actual priors that i have.
mircea_popescu: mno. you are ready to either accept it as a valid justification, or else accept it as a justification that needs futher justification.
asciilifeform: of what ?
mircea_popescu: of nothing.
mircea_popescu: justification, it's a psych term of art.
asciilifeform: but justification is ~of~ something, no ?
mircea_popescu: not exactly.
mircea_popescu: justification is the verbiage produced in response to inquiry.
asciilifeform: e.g., of krishna existing, or whatnot
mircea_popescu: "why did you steal ?" "i had to i didnt really steal it wasn't me"|
asciilifeform: so then it is of being caught with the goods, no ?
mircea_popescu: "but you did take the thing and put it up your ass" "yes but no it wasn't a thing not my ass not me"
asciilifeform: the thief's justification is ~of~ something
mircea_popescu: mno.
mircea_popescu: it's the response to the question ; it only exists with the question, dies with the last echo of the question. it has no factual basis.
asciilifeform: and if i ask a fella what he had for dinner, his reponse also dies with the question, no ?
mircea_popescu: mno. the policeman looks at the item, and asks question. the psychotic thief looks AT THE POLICEMAN and "answers" question.
mircea_popescu: there's no meeting there, one's lost in his own mind.
asciilifeform: but i think i know what mircea_popescu was trying to explain to me, that my notion of how swift works is static in disconnected antenna plug ?
mircea_popescu: your "notion of how swift works" has absolutely nothing to do with swift, working or notions, and everything to do with you justifying your own theft which happened to touch of swift so now yhou have a "hypothesis" about that.
mircea_popescu: had it touched elephants, you'd have a justification about elephant anatomy, just as well.
asciilifeform: which theft ?
mircea_popescu: that is not a question i can actually answer, i don't know you well enough
asciilifeform: i mean, pretty much my whole existence is a theft
mircea_popescu: besides this should be 1/4btc per hour and i should have a sofa./
asciilifeform: l0l
asciilifeform: cheap!
mircea_popescu: all my life i've been shockingly cheap.
asciilifeform: i would buy, at this rate !
mircea_popescu: if i ever move to portland and open a shrink practice ima send you a flyer.
asciilifeform: please be sure to install a suitable sofa !
mircea_popescu: but the wonder is that you manage to maintain this weird somehow encapsulated while writing code. one would find the notion improbable, on the face, but then again i've read said code.
mircea_popescu: hopefully the barrier lasts.
asciilifeform: why is this a wonder
asciilifeform: i dun get it
mircea_popescu: clinical experience.
mircea_popescu: i get it, "for me it's always been this way".
asciilifeform: what would the code look like if this were not so ?
mircea_popescu: uhh
asciilifeform: i get what mircea_popescu is saying, 'the man is a lunatic but somehow capable of engineering sanely'
mircea_popescu: this is actually a great question.
mircea_popescu: nah, lunacy is not this.
asciilifeform: but i would like to see why mircea_popescu considers the code - sane, and my picture of the rest - not.
asciilifeform: i could, for instance, be readily persuaded that ~all~ of my works are of insanity.
mircea_popescu: but anyway - i suppose the first symtpom of the barrier giving way is when you start including specific amulet comments
asciilifeform: wtf is an amulet comment
mircea_popescu: what's your definition of an amulet ?
asciilifeform: a device of sympathetic magic ?
mircea_popescu: basically. spurious item of presumed physical effectiveness predicated on the basis of metaphysical considerations.
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: so a comment containing a prayer to vishnu, say ?
mircea_popescu: yo9u know, like #this code copyright
mircea_popescu: for instance.
asciilifeform: this is amulet, but mircea_popescu's anarchist license, is not ?
asciilifeform: as i see it, both are essentially decorative
mircea_popescu: yes, they are. for as long as they're decorative, it's one thing.
asciilifeform: having more or less same status as, e.g., #8=======>
mircea_popescu: once they become necessary and "necessarily effectual", it gets iffy
mircea_popescu: in any case - lunacy is not here contemplated. lunacy is actually in practice a very high bar of achievement. you're just weird, which is boringly common, especially in accomplished folks.
asciilifeform: i can only aspire to the high bar.
mircea_popescu: (technically speaking, the mp license is actually an anti-amulet, in the sense that it makes life impossible for a certain sort of lunatic. inasmuch as its effectiveness is not predicated on metaphysical but on quite physical considerations, it's just a virus.)
asciilifeform: but is this property not itself amuletronic ?
asciilifeform: it cannot all by itself 'make life impossible' for anyone.
mircea_popescu: no, but we do know how idiots think.
asciilifeform: and the old amulet was also calibrated for a certain kind of idiot
asciilifeform: whose thought processes were reasonably well known
mircea_popescu: mind, selling amulets is a trade like any other trade. wearing them is what was being discussed.
asciilifeform: anyway i don't do amulets, much as mircea_popescu is convinced of this. i ~might~ entertain laughably inaccurate hypothesis about whatevers, when i have no access (unlike to the inside of a computer) to the priors.
mircea_popescu: that's not the proper approach there. consider that you'd "entertain laughably innacurate hypothesis" about a) things that really make no difference to you ; b) with which you have absolutely no experience and c) that have exactly nothing in common with a hypothesis and everything in common with an article of faith.
asciilifeform: who is to say what makes a difference to me.
mircea_popescu: you could trivially test this swift hypothesis of yours you know - wire a grand to the next nigerian to visit your inbox then write to your bank to reverse it.
asciilifeform: ~i~ don't get to reverse it !
asciilifeform: never said this.
mircea_popescu: oh i see.
asciilifeform: the system's owner gets to.
asciilifeform: which is neither me nor the other schmuck.
mircea_popescu: is he the elite ?
asciilifeform: whoever he answers to, is sorta definitionally elite, no?
mircea_popescu: ex post facto.
mircea_popescu: it's a trope of fiction, all this.
mircea_popescu: which whatever, everyone needs a hobby.
asciilifeform: care to possibly give a brief picture of the reality ?
asciilifeform: or what, 'your puny brain cannot digest it ' ?
mircea_popescu: the reality of what ?
asciilifeform: of swift.
mircea_popescu: why not read the documentation ?
mircea_popescu: it's remarkably open and well documented for a fiat banking thing.
asciilifeform: why not read nsa.gov to learn which hdd firmwares are buggered ?
mircea_popescu: it's a protocol you know.
asciilifeform: or what, swift operators swore to vishnu to tell the truth and only the complete truth ?
asciilifeform: but yes, i will actually go and read.
mircea_popescu: so there's a meta-documentation that's secret and a faux documentation that's published ?
asciilifeform bbl.
mircea_popescu: same could be said about fucking css.
mircea_popescu: (actually, amusingly enough, swift docs date from just about the era ada was fashionable. there was such a time - just like that time in the 90s when everyone was eager to implement linux-y things and you didn't really have to sell it at all, whole cities just switched for no reason)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2016#1430725 << epic line.
assbot: Logged on 11-03-2016 21:10:58; assbot: Logged on 23-08-2015 05:06:06; trinque: I demand for this to never have happened at once!
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mircea_popescu: jesus, this sls thing is pretty big huh.
mod6: wassat?
mircea_popescu: some soap ingredient.
mod6: ah
mircea_popescu: apparently the etsy chicks are getting militant.
mod6: heh
mircea_popescu: i suppose in another decade there won't be a way to buy soap.
mod6: have to make our own.
mod6: al la fight club.
mircea_popescu: it's this fashion thing, i guess every third unemployed/able chick is making artisanal soap these days.
mircea_popescu: in a sense i can see it, must be satisfying to actually MAKE something in postsociety.
mircea_popescu: but you really have to be retarded to imagine a ploy to claim industrial production is bad isn't obviously transparent and deeply ineffectual.
mircea_popescu: https://www.quora.com/Who-will-win-the-Bitcoin-blocksize-war << nothing quite like 15 month old derpage.
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mod6: heheh
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asciilifeform is in b0rked car waiting for crane
mircea_popescu: o.o what happened ? crash ?
asciilifeform: nah
mod6: asciilifeform: did you say you were using gnat to link ada object flies?
asciilifeform: mega-orc problem - iron rebar hook in parking lot of shady restaurant, gutted bumper ~on way out~
asciilifeform: like fish.
asciilifeform: srsly the sheet zimbabwe
mircea_popescu: nuts.
asciilifeform: *sheer
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mircea_popescu: i don't get it, who has spare rebar hooks ? what ?
asciilifeform: crumbling concrete
mircea_popescu: o brother.
mircea_popescu: are you suing ? :D
asciilifeform: l0l!
mircea_popescu: maybe enjoy some um bongo in the interim ?
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYj5o4kQsXs
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asciilifeform tunes in
mircea_popescu: in other rebar hooks and crumbling concrete news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lp3f4xtbeZ1qc5bcno1_1280.jpg
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mircea_popescu looks at qntra article, sees chorus of derps going "pay fee!!1". i'm so glad bitcoin evanghelism dragged in the webizens srsly.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "sfly & piot" is a pretty good find!
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo "sfly & piot" is a pretty good find! << which is this?
BingoBoingo: Aha
BingoBoingo gets it nao
danielpbarron: !up granny
BingoBoingo: !up granny
granny: The bet here bitbet.us/bet/1248/ethereum-to-top-1-billion-market-cap-before/ is resolved, as Ethereum just surpassed billion market cap.
granny: Thank you
mircea_popescu: link says ~800mn
mircea_popescu: not that it's not ridoinculous anyway.
mircea_popescu: ponzi ahoy, should be funny to see what next week brings. 1 trn ? 1 bjln ?
granny: Hi, the link to coincap.io shows over a billion right now
mircea_popescu: i just looked ?
granny: 800 million is from the graph which is wrong
granny: look at the market cap
granny: just below the price
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mircea_popescu: there's a graph, it doesn't touch 1bn.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the site's totally borked, huh.
granny: hmm, yes, that graph is totally wrong
mircea_popescu: either totally wrong or totally right or w/e. i guess mods will see to it.
mircea_popescu: if derpy site is going to print numbers, might as well print the same ones. one'd think.
granny: Well, it's over a billion at coinmarketcap, so I know the number's I'd trust there.
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