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(trilema) diana_coman: either it doesn't strip 2 levels or it doesn't strip specifically inside pre
(trilema) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: what did you do to get your mpwp to NOT strip html tags from comments?
(trilema) diana_coman: I do have this talent of stepping on such things
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: initially I tried to simply drop in my own theme but that did not play nicely with mpwp; and for a (very short) time I stayed with the basic but it was so annoying that I quickly whipped up something.
(trilema) diana_coman: at least it gives something to start with
(trilema) diana_coman: hanbot: maybe I messed up at some point all themes; I'll press the genesis again and unpack a clean theme from there and see if that sorts it
(trilema) diana_coman: so I guess the first thing is if anyone else can replicate it or it's something specific to my setup somehow - in which case,it's entirely mine to find...
(trilema) diana_coman: hanbot seems to have them working on her blog and so does nicoleci where I think it's barebasic install so as close to genesis as possible
(trilema) diana_coman: thanks for trying anyway.
(trilema) diana_coman: the only thing to do next that I can think of is to try and trace wtf happens, step by step but I don't even have a clear idea on that.
(trilema) diana_coman: it's live and it shows: XHTML: You can use these tags: <a href="" title=""> <abbr title=""> <acronym title=""> <b> <blockquote cite=""> <cite> <code> <del datetime=""> <em> <i> <pre> <q cite=""> <strike> <strong>
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: I did uncomment the "you can use these html tags" which calls allowed_tags and that showed precisely what is in allowedtags as far as I could tell
(trilema) diana_coman: also: I tried adding specifically to that array, another tag but it clearly just ignores/bypasses it somewhere; not even sure how to figure out *where* (i.e. when)
(trilema) diana_coman adds it to the list to unfuck and probably post, ugh.
(trilema) diana_coman: other than that I grepped around and could not find additional hooks set, nor additional calls to strip nor anything useful really
(trilema) diana_coman: fwiw if I'm logged in, it keeps the tags in comments and I saw that yes, it has that current_user can html sort of thing but that is ALL html
(trilema) diana_coman: so I'll have to sink in more time and find out, sigh
(trilema) diana_coman: and today I dug up chasing this thing but so far I have only better understanding of wp to show for it
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: I installed it from hanbot's genesis; I added my old footnote's plugin and changed in the theme to show the recent comments, that's about it.
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: yes: $allblocks = '(?:table|thead|tfoot|caption|colgroup|tbody|tr|td|th|div|dl|dd|dt|ul|ol|li|pre|select|form|map|area|blockquote|address|math|style|input|p|h[1-6]|hr)';
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: yes, once in allowedposttags and once in allowedtags
(trilema) diana_coman: confirmed, it's in there: comment_content = ( isset($_POST['comment']) ) ? trim(strip_tags($_POST['comment'],"<a><em><strong><i><b><blockquote><ul><ol><li>")) : null;
(trilema) diana_coman: lemme look at it again just in case
(trilema) diana_coman: that one is there, I saw it earlier
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: what/where should I look exactly? my dig into this yielded a sort of 1001 possible filters to add but I could not find one other than default afaik
(trilema) diana_coman: does that suggest anything to try?
(trilema) diana_coman: so tags are just removed and that's that
(trilema) diana_coman: hanbot: hm, actually I was wrong: comment from previously approved user makes it directly, no modqueue.
(trilema) diana_coman: given this behaviour I suspect some sort of strip/filter at some intermediate step but I don't know wp that well
(trilema) diana_coman: yes, that is checked
(trilema) diana_coman: my setting is modqueue for >= 1 link
(trilema) diana_coman: hanbot: apparently...both! i.e. comments gets sent to modqueue but tag is gone too.
(trilema) diana_coman: rather: allowedtags var in kses.php which I understand is used by default filters
(trilema) diana_coman: I couldn't find any specific hook added and my theme doesn't seem to be to blame for this either as I tried with out-of-box theme and it was same behaviour
(trilema) diana_coman: but it doesn't seem to care about it so something else supersedes it?
(trilema) diana_coman: I looked and apparently I have the allowed_html array fine in kses.php
(trilema) diana_coman: hanbot, mircea_popescu or any other mpwp expert: how do I allow html tags in comments for non-logged in users?
(trilema) diana_coman: hm, the end there got clipped; I meant: I'll keep both domains and have redirects in place so all links with either domain work anyway.
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-19#1903447 -> both work and will work; when I started, the only name I could say I won't change was my own, hence dianacoman.com; in time I found a name for the blog too (took a few detours) and that's ossasepia hence ossasepia.com; but I don't expect anyone to go through any trouble and have to change their links either way; I suppose strictly speaking the blog is ossasepia.com so that'd be the cannonical but I'll
(trilema) diana_coman: ahaha, mircea_popescu starting from that look here what I've found, to answer http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-14#1902502 with 2012's text http://ossasepia.com/2012/03/02/cand-greselile-devin-idiotenii/#selection-35.0-39.624
(trilema) diana_coman: I would very much like a no-unicode check patch for vdiff.
(trilema) diana_coman: phf: thanks!
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-19#1903347 -> fwiw I read with pen and paper up to and including ch10, at next round of reading will sign them too; the euloran swamps where one step ahead uncovers 3 layers to fix before coming back to same position ate a lot of my time, that's all I can say.
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-15#1902942 -> still digesting it, thank you; I started answering here and realised it should probably better go in the comments section so it'll go there.
(trilema) diana_coman: phf please snarf ^
(trilema) diana_coman: not as if it's specific romanian this, sadly.
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I'm quite sure it's clearly visible in today's western socialism too.
(trilema) diana_coman: linking it back up, the breakup of the cosy place for the clever idler was I suspect precisely what they meant by "mean" in http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-14#1902449
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, note that I worded it precisely in *that* order, starting with "noi ne" . I don't know what/who you are arguing there, lol.
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, no argument there, lol.
(trilema) diana_coman: did not do it.
(trilema) diana_coman: ah, it wasn't that they could do work, no; it was that they knew they did not it
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, re what?
(trilema) diana_coman: ftr in my experience it's not only a lack of practical experience but literally, they have no real idea re what they are supposedly selling, it's all the same to them, what.
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-15#1902744 -> I never understood why can't the new ones be *trained* ; esp since it's not like they are sososo busy that they can't use the time and learn something at work.
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-15#1902694 -> I always thought jeans were cowboy stuff, not miner; and at least initially part of the "waiting for the americans" i.e. a tribute to an imagined greatness; how it morphed afterwards into an uniform I have no idea.
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-15#1902641 -> "noi ne facem ca muncim, ei se fac ca ne platesc" (we pretend we work, they pretend they pay us); so I'd say it was more the case that there were a few actually working and all the rest being clever; just like now in a different socialism.
(trilema) diana_coman: well, if afraid of thinking people and then people got to think "just enough" then nowhere to turn when needing to talk to someone, inevitably
(trilema) diana_coman: "talking to the pigs" ; yes?
(trilema) diana_coman: exactly; had he done that, great.
(trilema) diana_coman: I suspect it's simply because most people don't actually have a "something else" ; hence shooting is at the end correct too since it's the only real quite.
(trilema) diana_coman: I can see that.
(trilema) diana_coman: I find both of them equally horrid
(trilema) diana_coman: at any rate, I'm not saying that I find rooseveltian communism any better really, no
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, eh, cheaper in the sense that in communism you don't even have what to drink or what; because otherwise plenty of that in there too
(trilema) diana_coman: or the wrong sort of thinking (tm)
(trilema) diana_coman: ftr I can easily get behind the observation that the difference of opinion here might simply stem from the fact that I wasn't at a the top in communism - no, I wasn't; and I wouldn't have made it to any top either precisely because of too much thinking.
(trilema) diana_coman: thing is the "afraid of thinking people" directly translates into "thinking people get killed for *being thinking people*" and if you and asciilifeform say that that's swell and preferable to the alternative then ok; the way I see it, it's a recipe for disaster; which gets round back precisely to the "talking to the pigs" since there isn't anyone left
(trilema) diana_coman will go now back to keccak
(trilema) diana_coman: in this sense ceausescu was made the scapegoat, yes; i.e. "shooting him sorted out all the troubles, nao everything will be great"
(trilema) diana_coman: and at any rate, the new regime was the old regime since precisely known people
(trilema) diana_coman: sure, folks had no idea but that's the given at any time really
(trilema) diana_coman: eh, the older ones saw it clearly though because they had more experience with "schimbarea domnilor bucuria nebunilor"
(trilema) diana_coman: presumably there again, there was one chance and it was rejected because ratiu hadn't eaten salam cu soia; but that's what if, no idea if again iliescu was presumably "the best available"
(trilema) diana_coman: re 1990 I recall euphoria followed by a very cool shower on seeing same old faces (fsn) ; and then the 90s were the time of a big wave of running for canada iirc
(trilema) diana_coman: spyked, those who waited sa vina americanii were tired of waiting and died, in many cases rather precisely and explicitly so "tired of all this shit, had enough."
(trilema) diana_coman: further digesting the conclusion such as it is, it seems to me that the issue might be that it kept pretending it was working way beyond the point were it had clearly and obviously failed; and given the timings, this does quite rest entirely with ceausescu as far as I can tell - he couldn't let fail faster what had failed already, hence http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-13#1902038
(trilema) diana_coman: it's still back to the measuring by the bottom part as far as I can see.
(trilema) diana_coman: but anyway, to wind up the thread, the idea seems to be that "yes, it inevitably sucked and moreover it failed on both directions http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-13#1902282 but nevertheless it was the best thing available at the time; and ftr having studied at polytechnica university may perhaps (no idea) be better than mit at that time (not now, then, hence no idea) but it wasn't much study, no.
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-14#1902392 -> it is usable and it is used; that doesn't make it 100% byte-level as it'd be ideal; if it's still not clear what part/why, I'll have to load it back in head to give more detailed answer.
(trilema) diana_coman will go to sleep
(trilema) diana_coman: born in the 30s was educated 40s-50s, rather mostenire as it were.
(trilema) diana_coman: changing one set of lies for another set of lies; better lies! granted, everything is just a better lie until finding an even better one.
(trilema) diana_coman: not to mention when you get what you neither want nor need :P
(trilema) diana_coman: bonus: si din batrani e obicei / in cinstea sfintilor sa bei - / iar legea n-o stirbesc parintii.
(trilema) diana_coman: they did! "it's so-and-so-saint day, can't work or I'll get the plague"
(trilema) diana_coman: there is plenty of others to blame and then the top-name is at least easy to remember so there, win.
(trilema) diana_coman: ahahah, sure
(trilema) diana_coman: the argument where?
(trilema) diana_coman: i.e. look, not as bad as it can be; sure, there is always worse.
(trilema) diana_coman: sure but scoring based on the bottom is dubious
(trilema) diana_coman: if it is to grant him that there are currently many worse than him - readily granted.
(trilema) diana_coman: this eerily reminds me of "but why are you so upset with yourself??? others got even worse marks than you!!!"
(trilema) diana_coman: aha, ibraileanu in fact mentions both as similar in this sense though Caragiale even more instransigent on the matter, supposedly because simply living closer to the problem as it were, as it started in Muntenia
(trilema) diana_coman: quite; there was a bit of an anger moment when I realised that in school they never even *mentioned* those writings of Caragiale, let alone study them
(trilema) diana_coman: vapsea de par interna :D
(trilema) diana_coman: yes! I had a blast and many chuckles re-reading Caragiale
(trilema) diana_coman: but plesu, liiceanu, dinescu, mungiu etc are equally products of communism and I'd much rather have preferred not hearing of them ever
(trilema) diana_coman: re stupid my understanding of the usual charge is that he was non-intelligent, not non-smart; clever and shrewd perhaps; then again, this is my "translation" - I don't really know either way, not as if I knew the guy
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-13#1902171 -> fwiw it's hate of communism of which ceausescu is the great product and crowning - admittedly local- glory.
(trilema) diana_coman: I always rather considered casa poporului among his achievements - at least there is something everyone knows re Bucharest, what do you want now
(trilema) diana_coman never heard this "how ugly it is" re casa poporului, possibly because she never listened to mungiu-pippidi and the like
(trilema) diana_coman: if anything, casa poporului at least is basically to this day a ...monument if nothing else
(trilema) diana_coman: and fwiw it has everything inside made-in-romania so there, pride
(trilema) diana_coman: I didn't even realise casa poporului was such a reference point in this sense; i.e. ugly well, it's typical era-style, what
(trilema) diana_coman: moscow is also waaaay bigger so presumably the shitholness factor is a few degrees of magnitude higher, easily
(trilema) diana_coman: pretty much as you readily grant bucharest is/was one
(trilema) diana_coman: I suspect it's Moscow that was a superlative shithole simply
(trilema) diana_coman: that thing with hit the russians worse is oddly in opposition to http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-13#1902023
(trilema) diana_coman: much more living space, right?
(trilema) diana_coman: not to mention how many were full of mould to the point that you'd get children with asthma and what not
(trilema) diana_coman: from the 60s to the 80s it goes from can build house on worker's salary to get to live in the party's shit
(trilema) diana_coman: that is his great contribution
(trilema) diana_coman: at any rate, it's not just a palace in dubious style; look at this point of ref: in 1960, new workers in Ploiesti got to buy a strip of land and build their own house; and they did, not one or two but whole streets; some of those were even fixed-size parcel, others (more expensive) not; in the 80s, workers got assigned (when? well, when enough children) some concrete-hruschebas-sorta-kinda-finished on the rule of n-1 rooms (not dorms, room
(trilema) diana_coman: now C gets credit for 1960?
(trilema) diana_coman: what does 1930 to 1960 have to do with it?
(trilema) diana_coman: that is true; I kept thinking of the inept useless huge buildings , not the hydro and roads
(trilema) diana_coman: ahead; not sure on the right road though
(trilema) diana_coman: aha, I even said it
(trilema) diana_coman: and yes, big; useful and durable?
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, when was that original hungarians driving over? because if it's 60s, dunno it has anything to do with him or with greaua mostenire in reverse
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, at the grassroots thing, quote great-grandmother who lived through both wars: ffs ,the german soldiers were at least clean! the russians got us full of fleas!
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, ^ ; I can't really make it any shorter / clearer than that
(trilema) diana_coman: makes anything; I mean: talking to the pigs ?
(trilema) diana_coman: and I'm not actually sure that pointing out "oh, but he was very correctly pointing out to the pigs that they should do something for their food"
(trilema) diana_coman: I wasn't even for a second considering *those* elites, no; as I said: elites were long dead by that time; the thing was precisely that being between them, well, he was asking the fat pigs to actually do something; big surprise they oinked only louder trembling that the food might stop.
(trilema) diana_coman: I suppose it's even ironic that the work he wanted them to do was by all indications closer to their possibilities; after all he wasn't asking for art or culture but simply for the set number of sentences with the set number of correct words and so on.
(trilema) diana_coman: and yes, I can see him easily and predictably as a scapegoat; kids, don't take crown found in the mud just because nobody else wants it
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, "greaua mostenire" cuts both ways though; he gets to hide behind it for a while but he also doesn't get credit for a while
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-13#1902040 -> ftr the problem is not that he "moved pesants to town" but simply that he did that a. through blatant lies (what communism is) rather than an honest gunpoint if that's what it takes b. failed in the end anyway
(trilema) diana_coman goes to read some more Caragiale to calm down
(trilema) diana_coman: I haven't really followed in ages what democratic this and that is going on in there but I doubt there's anyone to ask anyway
(trilema) diana_coman: soft words work best with a big gun sort of news?
(trilema) diana_coman: precisely that: there aren't that many crown wearers to just let the one you have die
(trilema) diana_coman: hence my earlier "out of options"
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, sure, at the root of it being wtf was a shoemaker doing with the crown on his head
(trilema) diana_coman: I meant it lost its options really; and having an uppity peasant "rule" is not going to change that, only make it likely worse and longer
(trilema) diana_coman: well, england is particularly good at misery making from what I can tell so I'd even grant them that they probably did the misery part even worse
(trilema) diana_coman: i.e. "state property aka nobody's property" and so on
(trilema) diana_coman: in terms of communism it was possibly the best communism there ever was, I can readily grant that. My problem is with the fact that it was communism though so...
(trilema) diana_coman: I can't see any sort of communism that is better.
(trilema) diana_coman: sure; as mircea_popescu pointed out already, Romania lost already earlier than that http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-13#1901850
(trilema) diana_coman: you know, the other funny thing is that all the Russians I talked to were rather shocked when I described every day childhood in an industrial town of the 80s in Romania; and usually the final comment is "hmmm, Romania didn't get to the part where it gets better". Perhaps though I can't quite see exactly how does it get better given the fundamental trouble.
(trilema) diana_coman: look that if we burnt down everything , we wouldn't even be able to chat; sure, make a new whatever but either you find a way to organically grow it with whatever bridges are needed at first out of what is or it's not going to work.
(trilema) diana_coman: from zero because "new man" and "proletariat will make now the middle class and the top class and everything else in between" ; oh, and culture and literature-with-party-line too, since we are at it
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, yes; the contention is whether there is any option in fact to create it out of nothing and moreover by someone who never saw it other than from a distance at best
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-13#1901996 -> "it is simply there" was absolutely not the same relation I saw peasant-horse, no
(trilema) diana_coman: to my mind that's precisely the thing: it's not (or not only) that "screaming meat" but the fact that at the end of it, it's only a replacement with what is in fact an inferior, not a superior thing
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, you know, that's the thing that popped at me as soon as I lived for any amount of time in the west: ffs those people do *of their own will and even paying money for* precisely the idiocies that I thought communism was to blame for. So in this sense, Ceausescu "ahead of his time" , marete realizari etc etc; I still think the direction totally wrong so pushing it further doesn't seem like a great achievement to me, that's all.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, I think there what can be said is that it could have certainly be pushed even harder.
(trilema) diana_coman: you know, apparently I was several times unlucky in that - among other things - my hometown was/is an industrial town; which meant for instance that blackouts were very usual (because many powerful industrial consumers and they got priority) while from what I heard in non-industrial towns this wasn't really the case
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, dunno; but take this re fish since you mentioned your experience in Timis; I can still remember when one found a rotten fish among the frozen "fish" with which communism improved one's diet forcibly.
(trilema) diana_coman: I don't recall; but I'm sure that at/after the revolution in Romania the idea was quite the same
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, that communism cancelled doesn't solve the problems is clear, at least for the very simple reason that the problems were there even before communism, sure, as it can be seen from the pieces above that are quite earlier than that.
(trilema) diana_coman: with the added bonus that Ibraileanu in 1909 cites from the same piece of Caragiale (Politica si cultura) with the comment that Caragiale was the most acerbic critic of... "liberalism" (the quotations marks are Ibraileanu's) that is further explained as "partidul <<ros>>" aka the red party.
(trilema) diana_coman: ladire, pentru care ai varsat sume colosale si unde ai sa cheltuiesti anual paragrafe anume? Nu-ti ramane alta decat sa faci macar politica."
(trilema) diana_coman: si in sfarsit, ca sa citez din profetul care le stia bag seama inca de mult dinainte ca doar nici nu-s noi: "Se cladeste un mare stabiliment artistic, un teatru, de exemplu. De ce? fiindca un stat modern are, intre alte organe de cultura, si astfel de stabilimente. Ei? cauti artisti - ia-i de unde nu sunt. Iti trebuie literatura - nu exista. Iti trebuie public - publicul nu vine la exhibitiile d-tale. Ce-ti mai ramane de facut in aceasta c
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-13#1901720 -> maybe; but this sort of "it's enough to make the buildings and name them as to what they are meant to be, because surely then the content will magically appear" doesn't seem much realism to me, quite on the contrary.
(trilema) diana_coman: to get people to eat fish ("no meal without fish" )
(trilema) diana_coman: ftr funnily enough precisely fish was very much missing from ro diet to such extent that yes, there were slogans "nici o masa fara peste"
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, so having a fish shop without fish is better because he at least knows now that he should have a fish or what?
(trilema) diana_coman: and that's valid for the 1000 bakeries too; I suppose one can argue that it's still an achievement to have bakeries with no bread than to have no bakeries and stale bread but I don't buy it; and note that in the 80's the latest brightest idea (in the same vein, all hail!) was to further do this sort of great "improvement", to wit the communal "neighbourhood kitchen" to get rid of such waste as having individual kitchens in every hruscheba
(trilema) diana_coman: (not to mention it's easier without, no?) ; circul foamei
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-13#1901855 -> his "move" was - as most - very much in the vein of "this is the shop where we don't have fish"
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-13#1901854 -> myeah, he gets to hide behind that indeed.
(trilema) diana_coman has to run, will bbl
(trilema) diana_coman: also re stale bread vs new bread I disagree mircea_popescu ; people used to make their OWN bread; not stale
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, if you are into purging, at least purge the whole lot and be done with it; this sort of "let's cut the elite and then we grow a new one out of our ass" is stupid
(trilema) diana_coman: for completeness, I can say that I know from direct experience both force-peasants-to-town-into-big-houses and vanish in the night for having had too much wealth beforehand; none of it (in either case) is an achievement as far as I can see
(trilema) diana_coman: their* parents, of course
(trilema) diana_coman: mind ~exactly the same as current "equality!!!" quotas and whatnots, I consider that the moment one does this systematically, there is right to complain that he ends up with idiots
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, I suppose one of those days I'll sink the time in and properly write-it all up and at least be done with it; I knew people who were not allowed to study at university because of "poor background" meaning that there parents had university studies; I also knew people who were pushed to the university because of "good background" although they did not have either inclination or desire for it; and leaving aside how this is to my
(trilema) diana_coman: eh, re ceausescu, they first killed whatever elite there still was and then they got all critical and whatnot; lasati
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, do you mean that a person who made and ran this multi-bridge infrastructure across how many irc networks has gained no useful knowledge for running a gossipd-based service?
(trilema) diana_coman: what the troubles are in practice; note that I'm not talking about "bake glue" but rather a full run servers
(trilema) diana_coman: learn != reuse code or even tech
(trilema) diana_coman: at any rate, the move + multi-network wrapper approach seems to me like an excellent way for one to learn and be in a prime position for gossipd really
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-12#1901514 -> I'm for moving; the only reason for staying was being busy with tending to other fires that burnt worse but freenode seems to be burning worse and worse lately anyway; a multi-network bridge sounds best in my opinion but I don't really know how much work needs to be put in to get that.
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-06#1900648 -> ftr asciilifeform you were right here; it was a server dep (crystal space) that was bringing in the non-sjljistic libs
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-10#1901346 -> confirmed it does! thank you trinque
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, in short, the keccak spec in its current form really since it considers input at bit-level and then goes on to mess about with some assumptions at bit-level and some at octet-level and making a lot of confusion without any good reason e.g. http://ossasepia.com/2018/02/08/eucrypt-chapter-9-byte-order-and-bit-disorder-in-keccak/#selection-55.383-63.563 ; one needs to disentangle that and put it in octet-only shape, octet stre
(trilema) diana_coman: am as input/output, with the reference implementation to check against
(trilema) diana_coman: ada doesn't have c-strings anyway
(trilema) diana_coman: what, a number attached?
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, what is the gain vs having as input octets or words?
(trilema) diana_coman: so perhaps the text coding etc would help at chunking-file stage if needed but what is that to do with keccak
(trilema) diana_coman: that seems to be at most at reading-chunk-from-file level which is not really related to keccak and not a problem if I understand correctly what phf says; specifically on one hand he said http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-10#1901225 and then option c from http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-10#1901236
(trilema) diana_coman: that requires simply a bit-level keccak; which requires in turn someone with the time to do the transformation as it were
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, from keccak's pov there is no meaning to the input so I don't quite see what you mean there
(trilema) diana_coman: trinque, bvt put clearly what I was trying to say: here I have the same: the full directory structure inside /cuntoo/portage/profiles
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, that's at...another level
(trilema) diana_coman: i.e. there isn't yet a bit-level keccak implemented, no
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, when he says "explodes" he means that keccak implementation expects as input a bitstream where each bit is stored in an octet
(trilema) diana_coman: apparently vdiff is correct after all and there is this thing it sees - it just took me a bit to find it as I thought it was just a misplaced path rather than...the actual thing,huh
(trilema) diana_coman: trinque, what should be in the portage/profiles dir?
(trilema) diana_coman: ha, wait, there actually IS a b/profiles/home/...
(trilema) diana_coman: cp -R portage would fail otherwise anyway
(trilema) diana_coman: yes, that one is there; but I don't see the path that vdiff seems to see
(trilema) diana_coman: fwiw a test file created there and vdiffed resulted in no such nonsense
(trilema) diana_coman: trinque, I'm trying here to even *see* this "profiles/" path in any other way than in the vpatch but so far no luck
(trilema) diana_coman: trinque, this is probably having to do with the drive being external, connected via USB and how it's mounted, I don't see any other explanation
(trilema) diana_coman: trinque, that's weird; fwiw: no, my home dir as far as I can see is *not* in the profiles directory
(trilema) diana_coman: I don't recall it being discussed in detail (i.e. with numbers for stack size and input size) anywhere and I think it should be, if it stays as it is
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, yes, I don't suspect the code is broken as such but it is a limitation of the approach and I did not really expect bumping into it at 7MB
(trilema) diana_coman: (i.e. it runs, it returns fine, no differences between the files)
(trilema) diana_coman: yep, unlimited stack -> fine
(trilema) diana_coman: I can give it unlimit stack anyway and see what happens, sure
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, this is a different machine, the cuntoo-guinea pig
(trilema) diana_coman: ulimit -s sez 8192
(trilema) diana_coman: and yes, I had this idea in my head that "previous problem, was solved"
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, ftr this is a 4.7MB file
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, yes, vdiff on the 2 genesis.vpatch files overflows the stack; while on same machine and same files, diff seems to have no such trouble
(trilema) diana_coman: trinque, which are exactly the paths that don't match? since I don't have the original genesis.vpatch I can't really know what to check to look if indeed those paths actually exists or not or wtf
(trilema) diana_coman: onth in unexpected results and assorted ugh: vdiff ends up in stack overflow ran on those
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-09#1901066 -> I ran those and I got exactly the same genesis.vpatch (i.e. diff on this vs the one obtained from the script itself returned empty)
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-07#1893431 -> kid settled atm on heroes of might and magic II and can think of nothing else! he choose Necromancer ("which one has stronger troops?") and so he is working out ...percentages to know how many skeletons he should get.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, thank you
(trilema) diana_coman: hopefully I won't mess it up again the same way at least
(trilema) diana_coman: working fine; thank you very much BingoBoingo
(trilema) diana_coman: BingoBoingo, ready for a reset when you get there
(trilema) diana_coman: BingoBoingo, I'm in ; it was hiccup on my side ; thank you
(trilema) diana_coman: BingoBoingo, got it, thanks! but ssh is waiting on connecting to box... so far
(trilema) diana_coman: great, thanks
(trilema) diana_coman: I think I'll take a break and leave it until I have the smg test box back so at least I don't mess about with all sorts of versions of everything or I'll go nuts
(trilema) diana_coman: o.O so you're saying that apparently gprbuild --RTS=sjlj on adacore's gnat STILL pulls in some zcxism??
(trilema) diana_coman: possibly this is just a different mismatch
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, for completeness, adacore's gnat with --rts=sjlj throws only one undefined reference rather than a bunch; here's the winner: undefined reference to symbol '_Unwind_Resume@@GCC_3.0'
(trilema) diana_coman: once I have the test machine in working order again I'll see what's going on there; in the happiest case it was just linking with the wrong thing and so it'll be easily solvable
(trilema) diana_coman: you know, that was what I was trying to ensure on the test server (that it's linking with a sjljistic lib) when the simple removal of a symlink blew up in my face
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, final linkage step
(trilema) diana_coman: once I get to the bottom of it, I certainly will; my first thought was exactly that - ugh, meanwhile it's not "supported" anymore or wtf - but so far I have no real clue, I'll need to dig
(trilema) diana_coman: ftr the same setup otherwise compiled and ran perfectly fine the tasks-test
(trilema) diana_coman: in other unwanted discoveries: on trying to compile the whole server on the sjlj-gnat I got a bunch of undefined symbol for unwind_sjlj_raiseexception ; anyone knows about this?
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