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(ossasepia) diana_coman: with this, the moving on is finally done for #ossasepia too: I devoiced everyone and removed all flags from all bots, feel free to take them offline as there isn't going to be any use for them in here.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Sure, you'd like some clarity (just as you wanted it before with the relationship status here and all that) but note that *all that time when crystal clarity has been available and freely offered* you... were busy, found problems and faults with it and stayed away from it. So no, it's not "just like before only in just those parts that are convenient for me to consider or ask for".
(ossasepia) diana_coman: cruciform - a reference for *whom*? In the absolute like that aka "the" reference, there isn't such thing anymore and not because of my negrating but simply because there is nothing to back such claim of "the reference". So now it's each with whatever they consider their own reference(s) and up to each to figure out what is worth what and why and so on.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: cruciform: if it's any help, note perhaps that it tends to be easier to figure out what one does *not* want; arguably it's more important too, anyway.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: figure it out, you know?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: cruciform: re earlier question - it's more an active/passive thing first of all than causes/purposes.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: somewhere in the logs I linked once a video with the pronounciation , as someone else asked, I don't quite recall who.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it is but once again, I lived in enough places to not be bothered by ~any of that.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: as the saying goes: so you are not *entirely* an idiot!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: getting back to your original question: the more logical thing for you is to figure out what you want it to be and then what to do for that.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: sure, be *aware* of context and knowledgeable but that is an entirely different thing; quite in the same way that learning something is quite different from memorising a pattern of "solving"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: this sort of "living by the book-of-rules" is not altogether very... sane, how to put it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and I'd rather bet some grandmas know dirtier jokes than you.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: some grandmas might love them though
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and so if all of a sudden you encounter in this horribly mean world the...alien, what do you do? "error!"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you seriously are telling me that you have a sort of internal/mental 3 ring binder with "defined behaviours for type of... relationships"?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: alien category!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: if you want something, you'll have to ask for *that* so be more precise there.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: as for the rest, sure, so don't ask impertinently, easy.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you can't control impressions, you know? but I can set your mind at rest there: I don't feel obliged to answer questions in general like that, no, I'm kind of too old (or not British enough perhaps) for that sort of thing.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whether I answer or what or when or so on, is my action though, true enough.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: anyway, to make it crystal clear: anyone can ask anything, there's no way *that* somehow magically "can't be done"; it's your action so you can do it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and with that illusion, maintaining as well (even growing) the fear(s).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: "safely" as in maintaining the illusion of safety, that's about it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the pickle however is that if you do *not* ask, you'll... never know the answer, either.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hi cruciform. So don't presume and all is well & easy, lol. Other than that though: questions can always be *asked*, how would that part even be somehow depending on anything else? Note that not asking is never really anything other than protecting your own fear of "what if the answer is not what I like to hear" (silence/rejection included),
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and yeah, there are ...slabs of chocolate to be had there too, but what can I say, I like sausages better than chocolate, lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the arches-style is quite common in that area (roughly speaking tyrol but svizzera italiana might take offense at that)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it was a side shop, there's a street with arches like that
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ha! those in the back are salamis! enormous and tasty but ..salami and sausages and the like
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: heh, that's in Lugano and yes, it kind of stirs some memories
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and I'll gladly hear from you, of course.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: you are very welcome.
(ossasepia) diana_coman is away from keyboard.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: anyway, full logs for July as far as I can see e.g. http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/20/ossasepia-logs-for-20-Jul-2019/ so dunno, learn to look properly first and use that category for all it's worth?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and mind that dates/times are a matter of where the bot runs so they might not match (ie a line may be recorded by one bot to be on the 19th while another bot considers it on the 20th)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: cruciform: how is that the last entry? look http://ossasepia.com/category/logs/ossasepia/
(ossasepia) diana_coman: not that this option saw much use, but stating it for the record anyway.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: Those already having an Eulora account have/have had quite some time to figure out both how things work and what sort of things could be done with it all far beyond "putting some time" into a game.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: no problem.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: no problem.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thank you all for popping in today, I'll need to go offline though in a few minutes; as mentioned, I'll still be around from time to time so sooner or later I'll read anything left in here anyway.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: cruciform: you know, now you'll have to add at least 1 picture per month to those articles too.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: eh, it "became gay" only in that sense of "those not having fine things gathered together and decided that having fine things is bad-for-you"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: (and lol @ lotions, I never quite figured out to what degree it was a cultural thing only, for sure!)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: trinque: who knows, maybe at the time of 2.0 you give a try to eulora too.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: cruciform: for starters it's as simple as this: if I see a published article there at least 2 times per week, I won't turn off the login of that author.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: my pleasure; (and yes, in your case it did say it already clear enough; for that matter you are the one and only member of the club as it were!)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: cruciform: I would, if I see a good reason for it. Do you want again to write there?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: trinque: thank you. I'll always gladly hear from you!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: (and for that matter, hm, there's always Italy, that land where women have to work hard to only keep up with men's creams and perfumes and the like, not sure it's any better!)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: what else can they do, you know?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ah, I suppose george 4th might serve, indeed. My mind went of course across the channel though, there's something to be said for the French in such matters.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ah, no, no, it goes back quite a few years before that, more of those times when everyone looked at men's legs rather than women's.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, I do hope you dress up for it too then, at least from time to time. All that has its own requirements of attire if nothing else!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: cruciform: no problem at all; did anything come out of it for you?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: sure, it can't hurt, although I rather expect things will change regarding the project itself, too.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: no worries and rather happy to hear that the jwrd deal is moving forward.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, I'm sorely tempted to add a button "talk to" to the context/gui interface, just to aggravate the user on every click on it, there is that.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I'll add also for the record that eulora quite specifically does not include any in-game chat via the game server (as it can be easily noticed from the total absence of "chat" in the communications protocol).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so perhaps we can work something out; it's certainly not burning atm.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: in/with/around/anywhere near the damned things.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ahaha, possibly like working in computers in general, even!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lol, I can see what you mean then.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I rather expect most have "a complex custom thing" but I'm not sure it's very healthy to care all that much about their complex custom thing; the point is to get what is useful, NOT at all in itself to implement their protocol or something, ugh
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: re whether in a position to offer it, I suppose you can't be; if you were, you'd be offering it already, really, so not sure what you mean there.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it's the sort of starting small and cheap, seeing if it's anything worth more to it or not.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: discord, telegramm, whatever; it's still explore stuff, not like it's clear fully upfront or anything
(ossasepia) diana_coman: for starters I'd want at least to have a proper look at whatever is supposedly going on in those very popular/latest honeypots
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: they tend to have http apis, yes; as for the list of others, it's open ended and meant to increase (possibly even decrease at times,lol) gradually
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and otherwise there is always curl, sure.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: mainly it's a service I want, not as much specific software. Otherwise certainly, on one hand there are already all sorts of bridges that even work for various definitions of work. As usual, each with their own bunch of requirements re environment and/or constraints and/or set/subset of what they can and mostly can't do.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: I thought you were pretty busy with mysql and then presumably the rest following from there but since it turns out surprisingly that it's not the case or not atm, would you have any interest in setting up/running an irc-to-others bridge for me? somewhere in the background among the long list of things that await for me to grow more time in trees, there's this one too.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lol, that's not a plan by any stretch, indeed. I guess in other words, you don't yet see anything of interest in either the writing itself or the blog-result.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: any plan of getting back to writing, too?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: to my eye and from a distance, there does seem to be a lot of getting back happening around.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: huh, it's certainly an unexpected turn of events there; does the scheme interpreter work have its own motivating deal?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: how's it going with getting mysql on gales?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ftr, the approach that I saw most often (and backfiring) seemed to go along the lines of "count and correct" with the correction causing the trouble.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: glad to hear it; I thought it might have been too easy even and it was just that I previously asked the wrong people, lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: it is, indeed, congrats!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: in case anyone is after a mini-puzzle on Friday evening: calculate the n-th number that is not a multiple of a given factor f; (had a bit of fun with this today on euloran grounds & will publish the formula in the next euloran dev update but those asked so far seem to tend to jump on a cvasi-solution that fails on corner cases).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: no loss for the one asking for sure, just to be clear.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: The whole #o log for past year being as it is full of counterexamples to the above illusions, I don't expect any additional example will help but I admit I'm slightly surprised if anyone still imagines that not answering is somehow different from missing an opportunity, at best.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and possibly a sort of "if it's not said, it does not exist" or something.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I suppose silence seems the easy answer in the usual way of "no immediate effort -> easy"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: what are you keeping busy with, those days?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lol, that was quick, slacko238651
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hello new_yh|93
(ossasepia) diana_coman: !!up #ossasepia new_yh|93
(ossasepia) diana_coman: oh hey, that sounds quite useful actually, esp having mysql as option in there; (and huh, I hadn't realised cmake was mandatory for it, ugh)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: exactly so. (And yes, I took that was what you meant, it was quite clearly stated as such, indeed.)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but yeah, certainly true for compile+link
(ossasepia) diana_coman: heh, one can define civilization whole by that "doesn't have to nearly as complicated as it always seems to end up in the wild"!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw - from even more distance, it sounds to me like an accessible starting/entry point at least, so worth looking at anyway.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: cool then & good to know it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack, what happened to you?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://ossasepia.com/2020/08/01/ossasepia-logs-for-Aug-2020/#1028309 - there is no argument at all; the bot does what it's asked to do and it's not at all its job to check if the user joined the channel.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: !!v 1A74DF1642039B928BB4E1F3D3EDFACBFE9B5609436DA9F6ACBCB039ECBB8030
(ossasepia) diana_coman: !!key newland0
(ossasepia) diana_coman: no rush; usually I'm around for 1-2 hours starting from 7pm utc ; there may be others at other times but that's when the chan can get liveliest.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: newland0: if you register a key with deedbot, I'll rate you and then you can !!up yourself (once per connection is enough, too)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: !!up #ossasepia newland0
(ossasepia) diana_coman: newland0: in your terms, I guess the answer would indeed be "because git is not passable"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: otherwise yes, indeed, there is certainly the sane "get it to work" vs the insane "gotta be perfect because the world is now perfect too" but V implementation is the working type, not the perfect sort
(ossasepia) diana_coman: what's unreasonable about V? lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: (and no, you can't make a car by attaching an engine to a cart, no matter what your priorities are)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: newland0: what are your priorities?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: newland0: among the usual versioning system (ie pre-V), git is indeed the most useful, yes; this doesn't make it any sort of V though and the lack is fundamental; as trinque points out, one can glue to it whatever on the side but that's hardly worth doing.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: see the Eulora category on my blog if you are ever curious; no, it's Eulora's client
(ossasepia) diana_coman: newland0: on a side note, I've been toiling for...years already to make a different pile of ...code let's say so we keep it civil, "act as desired"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ah, so you just found trilema and then got in here? heh, not bad; only...take it slowly, there is a LOT to it; on the bright side, there is also plenty of time, no hurry.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: newland0: how did you find the find that brought you here anyway?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: newland0: here's a quite recent talk re defining V anyway, perhaps it's easier to read and get some idea; then there is my attempted summary and from there you have also the canonical links to follow and the history and ~all of it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: there's a whole maze of roots from which the "seems so" tiny leaf sprouts
(ossasepia) diana_coman: eh, and identity and what user even means and code starting with the *reader* not the writer ...
(ossasepia) diana_coman: let me dig out some refs for you, anyways
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, in between "seems like" and "can do that" there's a whole lot of "missing", you know? how can you go "can do that" when all you have for "that" is "it seems so"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: even "essentially the same way", heh
(ossasepia) diana_coman: newland0: how do you figure "the same way" ?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: take your time; and ask your questions, too.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: !!key newland0
(ossasepia) diana_coman: newland0: have you found younghands.club ?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it happens, indeed
(ossasepia) diana_coman: !!up #ossasepia newland0
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw - meant to say: I got around to give a spin to your full online/offline gbw orchestra and all went quite smoothly as far as that test went.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: anyways, now I'm confused - did you manage to build trb statically linked on centos or not?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack, it's true that the default install of centos iirc does not come with static linking, but this doesn't mean you can't set it up for that, lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: no, I did not.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw - should add re hdd that indeed, when starting from 0, it all depends on what "bearable time for sync" means for one; yes, I sync-ed a node like that; no, I didn't mind it took a few months to get there (after that it remained in sync without any trouble really)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: because no python 2.7?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack - so then why not-sane re centos, I don't get it?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw - that's the discussion, yes; thanks for linking it, too.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: aha; I simply wanted to figure out if it turned out so far more of a gales-advantage basically or there are other tested options.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so no, not asking for the philosophical exactd definition of sanity, lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, all terms were in the given tech context, you know?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw - what's the exact definition of a "sane system" as required by your build system for trb or is there a different distro you successfully tried it on?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and I mean sync without feeding it blocks separately.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: fwiw and as I just saw spyked's trouble keeping a node in sync on mechanical HDD - I can confirm it's possible, at least so far.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack, didn't you have those rsync cron jobs anyway, why are they not enough?
(ossasepia) diana_coman needs to step offline, will be back tomorrow as usual.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but yeah, I totally trust you to find enough troubles on your own!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ah, that depends on the ...wishing ability!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: by earlier line, it would give you good blog fodder so ...maybe?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hm, should I wish now for more trouble-with-buying components so that jfw starts writing? lolz
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw - oh, there will always be plenty of becauses, lol.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it's probably the "consumers have come to expect"; I wouldn't be surprised if in time one can buy components as such only...unofficially; (and yeah, it's exactly that '80s in communist Romania flavour all over again).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: as a rule and in time it kind of pays off to have spare components of all sorts around anyway.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, hopefully the new motherboard at least is new and good.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so it was as much of a scam as it seemed, ugh.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the motherboard of the new computer??
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack - how's it going, did you get stuck on something (what)?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: wrong bit order - it didn't register :P
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw - ha, so you *are* complainin', only from the other end of it!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lol, feedbot flood of comments published all at once on fixpoint, so I gather jfw remembered suddenly he had a blog too!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack - meant to add re block explorer bot: at least some queries might be quite simple+ make sense to just answer in chan e.g. something like height or the like; and for that matter it could make it easier to just build it up gradually, starting with such simple stuff and then adding to it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman will be back tomorrow.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack - whether signed or not is up to you (ie 2nd consideration); the benefit of irc is that you can leverage existing voice and so on to *not* ask people to sign each and every query (because ugh, it is excessive really); but if you want as alternative non-irc, you can still do that quite easily with rather basic html.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack - alternatively you can go the mpex route I guess.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack - if you already have some sort of visualization that you know is great for whatever specific thing, sure, provide that in whatever form works best; but before you have that, there isn't much more than premature optimization that you can do there.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack - hm? being raw, you get the data with a curl/similar, no?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: basically the answer on irc would be a link to the raw paste and all is fine and easy to get at.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack - probably a paste indeed
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://ossasepia.com/2020/07/01/ossasepia-logs-for-Jul-2020/#1028110 - assuming you check what gets dumped in there, I don't see why would it be dangerous, no; only very wasteful as such and in my opinion a very poor strategic decision.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: heh, it's what the customers expect, what
(ossasepia) diana_coman: otoh I don't know that people around here are all that much into gotta click something (not to mention that uhm, bitcoin-related even less, if at all possible, lol)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack - you know, it depends also who exactly are your target users there; if you target those in dire need of "point and click", then I suppose you "must" web interface but in such case dunno, they already have a wide choice I should say, not exactly any lack of some website of this sort, is there?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://ossasepia.com/2020/07/01/ossasepia-logs-for-Jul-2020/#1028076 - this was specifically re the "push" command as I understood you want to provide this ie visitor to your website drops some raw transaction.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: further and leaving all the above aside for a bit, I can't quite understand why "web interface" rather than...irc bot? can even plug it in with the wot relatively easy and so leverage further existing systems for access and so on; even if "web interface", I can't yet see at all the case for something terribly complex
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the thing is that the simplest thing is static, while the exploration required to find out the best *useful* selection out of the ton of possibilities further is not something best done via...web interface
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you know, depending on how deep you are interested to go with this, you can make it anything between a simple listing of blocks at the plainest end and otherwise a full-blown data explorer-cum-aggregator-cum-visualizer, whatever you come up with, at the other end
(ossasepia) diana_coman: as such, what you are in fact looking for (and what you were groping for earlier perhaps without quite realising it when you were asking for "what would be useful") are queries and data-views that harness best the data in there for various purposes
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack - as trinque pointed out, the blocks themselves ie the basic "what a block explorer even is" are not changing; basically what you have there is an instance of a wider class of problems namely data visualization
(ossasepia) diana_coman: at any rate, even taking all you said above as a given, entirely missing from the consideration in there is the amount of complexity this "time getting setup with flask is pretty low" brings in.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: fwiw, point-and-click interface is not the best I can think of, no.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that doesn't sound much like a "need", does it
(ossasepia) diana_coman: why are *web requests* the need ?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: what is it you need done there?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://ossasepia.com/2020/07/01/ossasepia-logs-for-Jul-2020/#1028078 - whaack, especially when in doubt, just speak up in here, it can't possibly hurt, can it?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack - do me this favour and walk me through that decision process that ended up with "flask is the best option for this job", will you?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: everything one can possibly think of], the moment a new bitcoin-related service is supposedly designed the "decision" ends up in short order "let's make a web interface and do it for good measure with whatever seems convenient what-can-possibly-go-wrong-or-why-would-it-matter", there's really not much point in pretending any "concerned about making sure" anything, seriously.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack - re block explorer - do you plan to run this as a service as a free-for-all-to-push-whatever or as what? if after all those years and all the [http://ossasepia.com/2020/03/27/a-review-of-the-bitcoin-category-on-trilemacom/][experience made available, illustrated, brought home with a bigger hammer and pictures and
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, if it's any consolation, there were way, way funnier things to notice in the output of compiling stuff like perl and python
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw - yeah, it read a bit like that ie something left from older/changed stuff
(ossasepia) diana_coman: one can of course create wherever any dir and link that to those but yeah, it's not src/gports
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the gports are in /gales/gports
(ossasepia) diana_coman: to solve this for the logs: the sources in fact go into /gales/dist/src
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so reading that made me think they should be in /var/build/gales-linux but then...what gports there?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and the sources as a tar separately so I was looking where to plonk those
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that /var/build/gales-linux as "REPO" and then to expect REPO/gports ahem; specifically: I had /gales/gports
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and speaking of seeing problems - while the PORTS doc for gales was basically salvation itself, it was still an initially confusing salvation, lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: no problem that I can see there at all.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so it sounds like a .vpatch that adds the capability itself and thus perfectly fine in the tree and otherwise a starter pack that is optimised for your use.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ah, setting in the table is good enough for sure.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw - my understanding was that you were planning to add not only the capability but the hardcoded publisher=jfw since keys etc; ie adding the capability to my mind does not include specific keys of anyone.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw - since atm the online part is still busy scanning so I won't poke it just yet, might as well ask first - if I add another address to watched list and I know already that it doesn't appear until block Y - can I set it to scan from there or is it just full reset?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ah, I even got a case where it didn't crash but didn't add anything either, lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: then the more confusing thing was that watch tag addr [enter] addr2 actually imported correctly the first and crashed on the second for maximum puzzlement (until I read the code so I saw it wanted tag [enter] addr1 [enter] addr2
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw - help was easy to find; I even had the examples from both dorion and whaack; but me being me, if it said "list of addresses", I took it for instance first to mean that I can therefore go watch tag1 addr1 tag2 addr2 (with enter,s ure)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: re time though do note that I'm not that much used to gales and even less to the 2 new types of install (the gports + the /package etc); not that they are extremely complicated as such, either of them, but I was surely not terribly fast (and yeah, I found ways to mess it up, ofc, though through my mistake)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw - I was getting to the part of "less than a day is a start" indeed - it might be just me, but I finally managed to use that watch command of the gbw-node only after I ...read the code for it specifically, lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: for that matter hm, my very basic install seems to have been more basic than dorion's or something.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: as additional observations: building and installing the whole pile of gports that were in fact required when starting with the most basic gales was indeed quite tedious
(ossasepia) diana_coman: turned out 4 fails - are these known or what do I have wrong in there?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw - I had a go today at installing the whole gbw orchestra: on the positive side, it's apparently doable in less than a day (at least when having already in place a trb-compat node (for the online part), a gales install (for the offline part) and otherwise the whole pile of vpatches and the sources for all the stuff to add to a basic gales install); on the questions side - the check of gscm
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I have to go, can pick it up back tomorrow if there's more.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: nothing wrong with that.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw - so it's basically jfwsoftware-starter, pretty much.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: in other words: there isn't anything particularly wrong that I can see with the idea of "will package existing script and make the whole a best fit for the task at hand", that's fine; it just isn't more than that though and if there is indeed a longer term strategy of which this is a part it's not clear, nor does it seem to fit such thing, that's about it all.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw - so exactly being "how to get trb/gbw" , it is therefore a ...trb/gbw starter, that's all.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: this being said, you can of course package and name anything anyway you like, what's there to stop you.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ie I would get it if it were gales the patch-heavy example, seeing how it is an OS, but...why trb, I have no idea.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the issue there is that trb is *also* the ...least-mandatory part otherwise, lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: eh; forget about that part, it's clearly too big a jump and it doesn't yet make sense to you, let it be.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: are you now suggesting to run trb on a vps?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw - to roll this back and get somewhere before I need to go as it's not that long today: is it correct to say that you are aiming there for a trb-starter rather than a v-starter as such? (sure, it includes V, of course)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and about gales itself I guess, though I thought you had already got to that, lol.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: danuker - he means from his and dorion's business jwrd; it's not as such "pre-installed", no; maybe read eg about what jwrd does
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw - by configuration I meant hardware, not the kernel config as such; now though I get the impression that this is getting basically split between some conflicting aims there and possibly some not-yet-fully-clear strategy otherwise, hm.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw - do you have a list of supported hardware ie somewhere for the operator to go and look? or at least one relatively common/easily available config that one can find with hosters?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you're welcome; and speak up/ask whenever stuck/in doubt/in need of bouncing some ideas off someone; people around here quite know what they are talking about.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: he's around to ask for help too if you get stuck, he has quite a few things published, it's way, way better to start by trying to figure out *through use and reading* what IS there and what people are doing, than by re-writing anything, really
(ossasepia) diana_coman: danuker - if you really wonder "where to start from", I'd say start by looking at V and then probably some of jfw's stuff if you are totally focused on bitcoin-part
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you will likely notice around here a preference for ...fewer, smaller and more useful tools really, rather than "more tools, yeee"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: danuker - re "project management tool" dunno what you have in mind exactly; I suppose I use.... V; other than that, some awk scripts for time management, though it's more like periodic reviews now as hm, I'm rather ...settled, let's say.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ah, you don't have to read it *right now*, no, lolz; I was curious whether you found it already, mainly because it might help you to digest it before you invest whatever hours/months into "developing this shiny new thing" ; this approach btw already has a name around here, it's called "man-aloning" ; it has a history too and many, many stories - they all end up badly for the main character!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: danuker - what did those long paragraphs hide /what is it you didn't notice as I don't quite follow that sentence?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: nothing more though.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I get it that you want to contribute and you want to help and you want all the good and proper things indeed; but please, understand that this approach of "I'll just re-write this huge thing by myself and in my corner and then I'll come out with it and won't it be a huge help to everyone" is the very, very trodden path on which most youngsters end up ...lost; and old, sure.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: danuker - oh dear, that's the ...road to hell, lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: in general like that... whatever you do won't be lost time, as long as you do it properly, what.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: danuker - how do you mean, what to do about what?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: fwiw, this tarpit of "will do static blog and then end up with disqus/similar for comments because there's no other solution" is the usual path indeed but for being usual it's still not going anywhere *useful*.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: danuker - btw, I looked through your blog, wanted to comment and ...couldn't, of course, because I'm not going to go through that disqus madness in order to ...talk to you, wtf.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: danuker - how's it going with the reading around? do you need anything, do you have any questions?
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