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phf[asciilifeform]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-07-27#1010556 << (ah, i need to add parser for special links) doesn't capture the essence though, the way pushkin's does. have to have read red death to understand point
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-07-27 22:39:41 asciilifeform[6]: phf: poe's 'red death', perhaps
phf[asciilifeform]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-07-27#1010560 << like i've mentioned before, i've been studying subj. on account of first known to me case of das racis!1 being used as weapon. but specifically why “build rhodesia” because of how fervently patriotic rhodesians were. were building “my country”, rather than “0 btc
phf[asciilifeform]: tax in orc shithole”
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-07-27 22:42:44 asciilifeform[5]: and that nobody's 'building rhodesia' (can't resist to question the brand, also, is like to ask 'wai nobody building the hindenburg' rather than 'why not dirigibles', lol)
asciilifeform: phf: this is a point, but if sumbody somewhere is in fact phalanxing into a 'build our country!11', they evidently good at flying under radar
phf[asciilifeform]: i've also tried a variety of orc terraforms, remain unimpressed. orcland people are the same everywhere, but the kind of thing they do in spare time is shaped by their masters, even though all orcs think they are free (unlike their city counterpart of course)
phf[asciilifeform]: despite the narrative, even here, u.s. deplorables are in significantly better position, when it comes to day to day at least, than their euro and i'm not even talking 3rd world counterpats.
phf[asciilifeform]: when a german redneck comes to u.s. has a bucket list of activities "range", "dirt bikes", "stock car races", "hunting", etc. etc. when an american redneck goes to germany can have a lovely time at somebody's country house OR at a beer hall
phf[asciilifeform]: i guess if you're going to be a neet doesn't matter where to plug into the interwebs, as long as working mains and “0 btc tax”
phf[asciilifeform]: i've recently learned that in u.s. can lift off and land on personal property, and it's recommended that if you're going to do it often maybe talk to fsdo
phf[asciilifeform]: i suspect that maybe in germany or maybe romania can conceivably have "private airstrip on own land". here when you mention something like that will get response like "oh yeah bob in garetsville, you know, past friendstown, has a crop duster/stunt plane/authentic WWII bomber in perfect shape". i'm yet to find orcland where
phf[asciilifeform]: will get similar reaction.
phf[asciilifeform]: "oooh nooo in germany can only hunt with smoothbore single shot muzzleloaded flintlock" "oohh noo in germany horses is very expensive hobby" "ohno in germany you need to have a license for that" "but did i mention how bad the beer is in america, what uncouth people!!1"
asciilifeform: phf: afaik usa still possibly friendliest jurisdiction, in indust. world, for small-time prop plane folx. tho iirc if yer machine actually leaves the ground with any regularity, will make coke habit seem cheap in comparison
asciilifeform: ( and 100oct. petrol aint gettin any cheaper )
asciilifeform: e.g. 'Typical Cessna 172 Operating costs average between $100-$200 per hour depending on a wide range of variables.' (src: random insurance co. www)
asciilifeform: 'dun be poor!!'(tm)(r)(c)(mp)
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-07-28#1010586 << afaik most 'well socialized' plebes, in whatever part of the globe, learn 'with mother's milk' where the walls of the cage are, and ~never run into'em, so yes think 'free'
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-07-28 00:33:44 phf[awt]: i've also tried a variety of orc terraforms, remain unimpressed. orcland people are the same everywhere, but the kind of thing they do in spare time is shaped by their masters, even though all orcs think they are free (unlike their city counterpart of course)
phf[asciilifeform]: it'll cost you 3hr and $50 to drive from morgantown municipal airport to montgomery county airpark, it'll cost you $120 to fly same distance in an hour :p
asciilifeform: right, evidently not done for the 'fast'
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform lives w/in ~5min walk of 1 of these fields, watches the machines come & go )
asciilifeform: often enuff folx take off then 20min later -- back
asciilifeform: ( does he do a coupla immelmans then done for the day? nfi )
phf[asciilifeform]: but i think the point about "oh u.s. is friendly to smal-time plane folx" is similar to http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-07-27#1010573, a small glimse into terraform constraint graph, where we just happened to pay attention at the moment
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-07-27 22:52:40 asciilifeform[5]: asciilifeform otoh liked e.g. montevideo but ~not~ the fact that to get so much as a fucking power strip or bag of m3 screws there, had to smuggle it in personally
asciilifeform: not meant to imply 'only for planes' lol
asciilifeform knows folx who, entirely Officially, privately owned working machine gun, say
asciilifeform: they go out to woods, tratata etc
phf[asciilifeform]: one of the perks of visiting symbolics corporation :>
phf[asciilifeform]: on the other side of the globe you slowly discover an equivalent of california small gas appliances ban, but on the scale of totality of legal experience. "oh that thing? yeah you can't really do that. BUT WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO"
phf[asciilifeform]: because fuck you that's why
asciilifeform: 1st gen grumbles, 2nd vaguely recalls that 'father used to...', 3rd 'why wouldja want' aha
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-07-28#1010589 << not errybody who 'lives by the socket' is 'neet' (e.g. some kinda mooch)
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-07-28 00:39:09 phf[awt]: i guess if you're going to be a neet doesn't matter where to plug into the interwebs, as long as working mains and “0 btc tax”
phf[asciilifeform]: i'm again misusing the term, we've had this conversation with verisimilitude. i mean hikikomori, but it's longer to type
dulapbot: (asciilifeform) 2022-06-14 phf: verisimilitude: but i'm wrong, i didn't actually know what neet means. i thought it was another slang for hiki, but it's more precise than that
asciilifeform: if not 100% hiki -- then yes, naturally would not be indifferent re where to sit
asciilifeform not 100% 'hiki' and so still sitting in usa despite very little 'practical' reason to
asciilifeform: ( and owns neither ww2 bomber nor mg... )
phf[asciilifeform]: i'm maybe particularly bitter on the subject, because just returned (since about my 2019 russia trip to present that is) from an exploratory trip to the rest of the world
asciilifeform: phf: if not megaseekrit, where stopped b/w ru & usa ?
asciilifeform: (or rather, on that trip)
phf[asciilifeform]: besides random vacation visits specifically with long stay and consideration for even longer stay, serbia, turkey, slovakia, austria, east germany and finland
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-07-28#1010611 << fwiw, tho asciilifeform would happily see californistan vanish under the sea, if never again choked on exhaust of 2cycle engine wouldn't be soon enuff
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-07-28 01:18:21 phf[awt]: on the other side of the globe you slowly discover an equivalent of california small gas appliances ban, but on the scale of totality of legal experience. "oh that thing? yeah you can't really do that. BUT WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO"
asciilifeform: (not to mention awakened at 600hrs by same)
asciilifeform: wat's wrong w/ 'shoot yer mg, but not into my front yard' and ditto the engine.
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-07-28#1010626 << nifty. outta curiosity, what was missing in serbia ?
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-07-28 01:29:04 phf[awt]: besides random vacation visits specifically with long stay and consideration for even longer stay, serbia, turkey, slovakia, austria, east germany and finland
asciilifeform: ( the rest -- can picture what )
asciilifeform must bbl
phf[asciilifeform]: yeah, same here actually
phf[asciilifeform]: but i'll just say that serbia is stunted. it doesn't have much of anything, but it's not a blank slate either, between the mob and the chinese. but it's not like the fun 90s russia mob, it's more like african entranched criminal structure
phf[asciilifeform]: it's a poor country, where millenials and "gen z" either lived through, or the immediate aftermath of nato bombing
phf[asciilifeform]: it is in this respect very similar to russia, in that you can easily find the well to do enclaves that, out of toothpicks and gum, attempt to recreate a lifestyle of an average redneck
phf[asciilifeform]: or otherwise you're poor and then you are not attempting to recreate any kind of lifestyle. you just work a lot and can't really afford much of anything
phf[asciilifeform]: so the available resources and the infrastructure reflect that reality. not many electron microscopes on local craigslist.
phf[asciilifeform]: from the perspective of “go to qatar and start business!" probably a great blank slate (although i got a very strong sense that serbia has been divided and subdivided many times at this point)
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-07-28#1010641 << per asciilifeform's notion, this'd be 1 of the main attractions of eureich -- e.g. timis to budapest, or maribor to vienna, is ~3hr drive, get yer microscope and drive it back home to yer 100K$ 'oligarch palace'
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-07-28 01:57:10 phf[awt]: so the available resources and the infrastructure reflect that reality. not many electron microscopes on local craigslist.
asciilifeform: faster than e.g. nyc to washdc
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-07-28#1010637 << if one believe mp, whole fucking globe is divided b/w these and the reich
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-07-28 01:37:07 phf[awt]: but i'll just say that serbia is stunted. it doesn't have much of anything, but it's not a blank slate either, between the mob and the chinese. but it's not like the fun 90s russia mob, it's more like african entranched criminal structure
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-07-28#1010640 << not mega-revelation, but most of usa folx precisely this
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-07-28 01:43:02 phf[awt]: or otherwise you're poor and then you are not attempting to recreate any kind of lifestyle. you just work a lot and can't really afford much of anything
phf[asciilifeform]: there are electron microscopes in vienna? news to me
phf[asciilifeform]: the implications of "divided between the mob and the chinese" is that you're not guaranteed an "oligarch palace" to drive back to
asciilifeform not personally investigated. assumes, possibly naively, that 'industrial world' at least somewhat consistent in re surplus uni gear avail.
asciilifeform: phf: the old 'tax rate is ~same errywhere, just in some locales you dun immed. know whom to pay it to' hypothesis ?
asciilifeform not knows whether so, not toured the serbias, must rely on reports from phf et al
asciilifeform: from asciilifeform's pov, the typical standalone house in timis, of which went by over9000, is 'oligarch palace'
asciilifeform: ... but if the inhabitants have to pay , on top of the ~50k$ they nominally cost (w/ eureich passport) a mob vig of 1k/mo, this wasn't obv. (and mp not mentioned)
asciilifeform: not seen serbia tho, maybe there -- so
asciilifeform: or, maybe only folx with conspicuous moolah gotta pay.
bitbot[asciilifeform]: (asciilifeform) 2022-03-30 phf: i also attempted to recreate similar lifestyle in russia, and my take is that russia is kind of a shithole. unless you're going for the whole "one year in taiga", there's not really place to put a compound of any kind: there's going to be some local warlord or prince that'll decide to fuck w
asciilifeform: ( per asciilifeform's lights, 'being conspicuous' is quite optional )
asciilifeform strongly suspects 'de gustibus'(tm) factor; some folx want 'compound' and fleet of mercedes; others, simply to not haveto work 12h/d simply to live in standalone house, in clean air, and eat non-synthetic food
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-07-27 22:41:23 asciilifeform[4]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-07-27#1010549 << asciilifeform is at this pt convinced that 'where to feast during plague' is a matter of narrowly personal taste
asciilifeform not impressed with what has seen of the life of the us 'deplorables'(tm)(r); maybe not seen the correct set ?
asciilifeform for instance would rather have to truck 3h to get electron microscope, than to get food
asciilifeform: but from pov of 'i wanna take the rifle and see what kinda meat in the woods that evening' phf's taiga prolly cannot be beat
billymg[asciilifeform]: http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-07-27#1112369 << added this yesterday, don't see any packets from you yet though
bitbot[asciilifeform]: (asciilifeform) 2022-07-27 gregorynyssa: billymg: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=ujXn
billymg[asciilifeform]: i'll try generating some keys for you to peer with bitbot and crawlerbot, might have some luck there (e.g. signpost peered no problem with bitbot, but to this day no luck with this station)
billymg[asciilifeform]: http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-07-28#1112447 << good luck "living like a white man" with that in costa rica. my personal experience is that cr is more comparable to e.g. austin, charlottesville, boulder, etc. in cost-of-living terms
bitbot[asciilifeform]: (asciilifeform) 2022-07-28 mats: one has a ~1k/mo medical retirement that should direct deposit for his entire natural life
awt[asciilifeform]: I suspect a hikikomori could get by on 2k/mo in CR
asciilifeform: awt: until some major piece of gear burns out
asciilifeform: 'mars colony'
asciilifeform: afaik there aint a 'budapest' you can readily drive to from cr.
awt[asciilifeform]: hikikomor - yeah I guess with cap ex would be a bit more.
asciilifeform: quite a bit moar, if counting the 'need courier w/ us passport and smuggling knowhow' thing
awt[asciilifeform]: lol I think I meant to type asciilifeform but typed hikikomori and tried to tab complete.
asciilifeform not in cr for a reason, and not simply b/c 'lazy'
asciilifeform dun particularly, ftr, likes tropics, either. but that's orthogonal.
awt[asciilifeform]: I can't take too much time at the beach - way too hot.
asciilifeform can't stand damp, is good % of what hates re his current shithole
awt[asciilifeform]: I quite enjoy the breezy, cool nights in Santa Ana, but still a bit too hot during the day.
asciilifeform: different folx solving quite definitely different problems. asciilifeform for instance wouldn't care to have ~only~ cr passport.
billymg[asciilifeform]: i miss winter, and the cozy feel when you have the heat turned up inside
asciilifeform: ( so much of the conv re moving , ends up 'talking past' )
asciilifeform: billymg: per asciilifeform's lights, geography w/out winter aint rly habitable
billymg[asciilifeform]: i will mention one thing about CR cost of living that i don't think i've mentioned before: you can get excellent dental and health care here for 1/10th the cost in the US
billymg[asciilifeform]: i even know a guy here, i think in his 40s, who last year discovered he had a brain tumor. he had it removed in san jose and as far as i could tell from talking to him after the procedure everything was still intact
awt[asciilifeform]: yeah the private hospitals are pretty good somehow
awt[asciilifeform]: Possible to see a specialist same day
asciilifeform: billymg: usa is afaik unique hell in this respect, in usa 'colt heath insurance co.' for moar or less anyffin major
billymg[asciilifeform]: asciilifeform: it's a big thing to consider, even the savings of routine work can add up to offset a significant portion of the "import gear" premium
asciilifeform: billymg: right, but gotta point out that this 'feature' is in almost entire globe other than usa
asciilifeform: rather than e.g. cr in particular
asciilifeform recalls walking past medical offices in timis, took photos of prices, showing later to parents, who 'this gotta be fake, they're prolly witch doctors'
billymg[asciilifeform]: asciilifeform: makes sense. i suspect the import gear premium also roughly the same in all non-US locales
asciilifeform: billymg: in south amer. defo. but maybe not in eureich, where can drive to e.g. berlin and load up on $goodies and truck'em back to $locale w/out customs wankage ?
asciilifeform: iirc was what e.g. kakobrekla did
billymg[asciilifeform]: true, perhaps just a SA thing
asciilifeform: sa is afaik banana hell from top to bottom, coast to coast
billymg[asciilifeform]: if by "banana hell" you just mean 2x cost for gear plus a week extra in wait time, then sure
asciilifeform suspects the shipping situation aint aboutta get any better, either. rather opposite.
asciilifeform: !q seen-anywhere kakobrekla
dulapbot: kakobrekla last seen in #asciilifeform on 2021-09-27 13:40:58: enjoy
asciilifeform wonders where d00d is naodays
asciilifeform: iirc fabulously rich, or claimed
billymg[asciilifeform]: i checked actually, on average for the last 6 months it's been 80% markup, so not even quite 2x (fully landed cost, including shipping, tariffs, etc.)
billymg[asciilifeform]: there is a range, yes
asciilifeform: not erry vendor even ships to the sad americas.
asciilifeform: iirc at one time whaack (or was it billymg ?) had to retain an importer to resend the parcels
billymg[asciilifeform]: asciilifeform: none of them do, you use a 3rd party service with warehouse in miami
billymg[asciilifeform]: when i say 80% average markup i'm including the fee the 3rd party takes
billymg[asciilifeform]: to get it from miami to the jungle
asciilifeform: maybe if run household like soviet nuke sub, where over9000 spares for errything on hand, tolerable
asciilifeform: otherwise 'ohnoez i stripped that screw, no chair for 6wks+'
billymg[asciilifeform]: asciilifeform: does require some planning, yes
asciilifeform: from the tax thing, 'BATTERY 42.38%' << lol!!
asciilifeform: 'COMPUTER MONITOR WITH DVI INPUT 42.97%'
asciilifeform: 'SHAMPOO 49.27%'
asciilifeform: 'SPOCK ASSORBERS 42.78%' << shock absorbers??
asciilifeform: 'SHOE - USED - PROHIBITED TO IMPORT' << lol!
billymg[asciilifeform]: tbf, a lot of computer equipment comes with ~13% tax
billymg[asciilifeform]: not defending their categories, it's complete bs, just pointing out it's not all > 40%
billymg[asciilifeform]: the computer monitor one is funny, presumably created to put a premium on "newer" monitors
billymg[asciilifeform]: but i bet now could find a monitor "without DVI" (but with displayport, hdmi, etc) and get it at the lower 13% rate
billymg[asciilifeform]: but hey, as you said, it's their bread and butter
bitbot[asciilifeform]: (asciilifeform) 2021-08-30 asciilifeform: little shithole orcistans, as i understand, live and breathe import taxation like reich breathes income taxation
awt[asciilifeform]: In other CR news: girl went down to CR for a summer program. Got the poverty tour. Neglected to tell me until she returned that she'd seen a corpse by the side of the road and ...
awt[asciilifeform]: had seen actual homeless, unlike on my guided tours.
awt[asciilifeform]: Somehow ended up stationed in a home without hot water.
awt[asciilifeform]: Suddenly conviced CR was "unsafe"
asciilifeform: lol where's 'safe' ? (other than the grave)
signpost[asciilifeform]: dead bums can be found in any US city
asciilifeform: fwiw in washingtonistan also regularly saw 'corpse by side of road'. the only diff is that the latter was usually hidden inside smoking wreckage of auto
asciilifeform: these usually not even bums, were commuters exactly like at the time asciilifeform
awt[asciilifeform]: Indeed. Only a few weeks ago witnessed presumable meth heads walking down the street with crowbars here in Sac.
asciilifeform: west usa sounds rather 'mad max' from this & other tales
awt[asciilifeform]: But the climate is great!
awt[asciilifeform]: Also told me she'd been accosted by a pimp and two whores on her way out of the Target parking lot.
asciilifeform: lol wat did they want?
awt[asciilifeform]: Unclear. She was in her car and they tried to block her way. Maybe trying to turn her out idk.
awt[asciilifeform]: Ostensible "car problems"
awt[asciilifeform]: *ostensibly
asciilifeform continues to laff at fact that folx pay 10-15k$/mo for cockroach flat to live near these
signpost[asciilifeform]: funny how this gets evaluated depending on familiarity with an area.
signpost[asciilifeform] has plenty of areas of say austin or houston where I'd not likely go, and definitely not send my wife.
signpost[asciilifeform]: but when it's another country it's different and spookier.
awt[asciilifeform]: This was near the university
signpost[asciilifeform]: re: thread above this is sorta why I'm interested in south new hampshire. state govt increasingly populated by secessionist libertarians with guns, driving distance to boston
signpost[asciilifeform]: and climate has winter without being covered in 3ft of snow for months.
awt[asciilifeform]: If you go by the crime stats, many cities in central/south america less "dangerous" than major US cities.
signpost[asciilifeform]: east side of houston is *rough*, "third ward"
signpost[asciilifeform]: and I lived 5min from this for a few years. one can get used to anything.
awt[asciilifeform]: signpost: I hung out in Conroe (north of Houston) for a few days. Eye opening.
signpost[asciilifeform]: yup, lots of shitholes in greater houston
signpost[asciilifeform]: conroe -> "corn row", greenspoint -> "gun's point" etc
signpost[asciilifeform]: there's a caste system with the policing though and plenty of areas are safe.
awt[asciilifeform]: Conroe: drug mules on bicycles.
signpost[asciilifeform]: probably eye-for-caste is a good measure of whether you know an area.
signpost[asciilifeform]: awt: nearby conroe there's a mega-suburb called the woodlands, in it, carlton woods -> "cartel woods"
awt[asciilifeform] will have to check out the northeast. Never going back to the midatlantic. Shit weather, cockroaches, mice, just as overcrowded as any city in California.
signpost[asciilifeform]: nothing checks all the boxes. new england's full of wiggers.
signpost[asciilifeform]: the NE knuckledragger caste at some point adopted the urban affectations.
phf[asciilifeform]: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2022-07-28#1010882 << >> http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2022-07-28#1010890 it's more that your idea of what's "being conspicious" is, and it's not ever "fleet of mercedes". often times it's not counting the total before buying food at local grocery. or putting a generator outside y
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-07-28 10:04:30 asciilifeform: phf: the old 'tax rate is ~same errywhere, just in some locales you dun immed. know whom to pay it to' hypothesis ?
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-07-28 10:17:36 asciilifeform: strongly suspects 'de gustibus'(tm) factor; some folx want 'compound' and fleet of mercedes; others, simply to not haveto work 12h/d simply to live in standalone house, in clean air, and eat non-synthetic food
phf[asciilifeform]: our house. or even assuming that your house is your house. i suspect that having lived in america, you're entirely americanized, you assume that everywhere else is basically america, but with better food and architecture.
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-07-27 22:41:23 asciilifeform[4]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-07-27#1010549 << asciilifeform is at this pt convinced that 'where to feast during plague' is a matter of narrowly personal taste
phf[asciilifeform]: the threads about "german expat bar in thailand only being viable while the german owner gives locals free drinks, burned one day" is a kind of a universal thing, one just rarely experience it by implicitly staying within the designated lanes as a tourist, or as a nomad emigrant.
asciilifeform: phf: asciilifeform not travelled the globe, but does know that not errywhere 'is america' -- some places (incl. within hr by auto from where asciilifeform sits) are 'africa'.
phf[asciilifeform]: but those are extremes, that exist everywhere. one hour (well four) from belgrade is also africa. there's probably not many places in the world where one hour is not africa
phf[asciilifeform]: i'm more talking about subtle things of living among the people, and attempting to be a "free man" in the process
asciilifeform: incl. interesting observation -- asciilifeform init. wondered why in the 20y prev owner of that pad installed it, the genset not been stolen (it aint camouflaged in any meaningful way). then had thought, there's 2dozen of'em in the town. not stolen for same reason as the toyotas -- aint, in given context, conspicuous
phf[asciilifeform]: very easy to be satrian free man "i get to choose life in prison OR hang myself"
asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-07-28#1010777 << asciilifeform buys this 100%; large part of wai not tried to move
bitbot[asciilifeform]: Logged on 2022-07-28 19:18:47 phf[awt]: the threads about "german expat bar in thailand only being viable while the german owner gives locals free drinks, burned one day" is a kind of a universal thing, one just rarely experience it by implicitly staying within the designated lanes as a tourist, or as a nomad emigrant.
asciilifeform: eventually it'll 'move here' tho
asciilifeform: phf's report re 'africas' is 1 of over9000 reporting precisely same thing. entirely believe.
asciilifeform: the 'america' is receding, giving way to 'africa' , right here visibly to naked eye, not even need to buy plane ticket to see it.
asciilifeform sees phf's travel notes as having strong 'mp flavour', 'i, aristocrat, have sailed the seven seas, have seen, what've you miserable peasant seen' but, having habit to distinguish flavour and the fact, readily believes him
asciilifeform fwiw strongly suspects that 'dun appear richer than the locals' worx errywhere. what means in $locale obv differs. for instance, asciilifeform's 20y.o. auto is 1 of few on his street that never broken into or vandalized. until, lulzily, recently, when platinum thieves discovered that autos from bush II reign have m
asciilifeform: where means 'count the money when buying food' -- count it.
asciilifeform: grr, msg cut off?
asciilifeform: ...that autos from bush II reign have moar platinum, lol
phf[asciilifeform]: well, i appreciate that perspective, but i'm not really into finer things in life and more into sovereignty, end up blowing my cower by going "LETS BUY AN X AND LAUNCH A Y INTO SPACE" usually get "ohno mister we do not do this kind of thing here"
phf[asciilifeform]: "well what exactly do you do here?" "have you been to our beer hall?"
asciilifeform: if the aboriginals go to beer hall -- must go to beer hall.
asciilifeform: otherwise, yes, 'stierlitz didn't know what gave him away -- was it the parachute he dragged behind him, or the katyusha he was singing'
phf[asciilifeform]: а ты небось шпийон? -- нет, почему вы так решили -- сынок, да мы тут никогда негров не видели
asciilifeform not owns, believe or not, any 'fine things' (at least such as'd be obv to aboriginal), once phriend commented 'when burglar finally breaks into yer house, he'll torch it from frustration'
asciilifeform wonders what phf means by 'sovereignty'
phf[asciilifeform]: when i read “the cask of amontillado” long time ago, decided that i too want a crypt under my house, where i store wine and dead relatives. wine is pretty easy, but surprisingly storing dead relatives in own crypt is significantly restricted across the world, u.s. inclded
asciilifeform: saw, believe or not, in delaware -- tombstones in middle of farm. but nfi whether modern or 'grandfathered in'
asciilifeform: most reichs, unsurprisingly, Officially mandate bureaucratic processing of the dead. so that, well, montrezors can't so easily stuff their fortunatos in a vacant berth in the wine cellar
asciilifeform: in (parts of?) usa taken to interesting degree of insanity -- recently read some lul where funeral co. director described women bringing miscarried foeti in plastic boxes, and 'if larger than a lemon, we have to report it'
asciilifeform: 'sovereignty' imho is a false god. if you piss on the customs of the aboriginals, they'll eat you eventually, guaranteed, wherever you happen to be
phf[asciilifeform]: live on day as a free man: charge local police force on a horse with a 308, because you refuse to surrender your parent's from your crypt
phf[asciilifeform]: *parent's body
asciilifeform: 'antigone reloaded' lol
asciilifeform: iirc in most of usa you can actually bury'em in yer crypt once they've been rubber-stamped / stricken from pension rolls, tho
asciilifeform: 'anyffin you want, with the right paperwork' is how reich worx. e.g. alex shulgin famously had a permit to bake & eat any dope; for cost of toyota anyone can buy permit for mg; etc
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-07-28 20:06:18 asciilifeform: 'antigone reloaded' lol
phf[asciilifeform]: hmm, i didn't get one of your packets :o
phf[asciilifeform]: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2022-07-28#1011038 this one either never arrived or hasn't arrived yet
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-07-28 20:07:39 asciilifeform: iirc in most of usa you can actually bury'em in yer crypt once they've been rubber-stamped / stricken from pension rolls, tho
asciilifeform: phf: interesting -- both loggers seem to have'em
asciilifeform: phf: fwiw replay only sorta worx atm in blatta
asciilifeform: (seems to happen at ~random times)
phf[asciilifeform]: i mean, i'll get it fixed once getdata, etc. but still rather curious
asciilifeform: phf: odd. wonder if it's to do with conflicting netchains in your protoclient
asciilifeform: (once you missed a msg, yer netchain will diverge)
phf[asciilifeform]: i don't see how that would be related to implementation details. there's an accurate back and forth log, and then one message just doesn't arrive
phf[asciilifeform]: since i ignore it, then conversation is potentially in a broken state
phf[asciilifeform]: *since i ignore not getting it
asciilifeform suspects that this kinda thing will need a constructed test, where packets 'randomly' dropped, to debug
asciilifeform: afaik nobody did this yet
phf[asciilifeform]: i wonder if we'll discover that udp just generally "doesn't always arrive"
asciilifeform: does say right on the box 'occasionally not arrives' neh
asciilifeform: tho e.g. asciilifeform in various experiments not observed with own eyes
asciilifeform: likely, does happen
asciilifeform: (if even only in degenerate case where 'loose cable')
asciilifeform: per spec, phf's station oughta discover the missing msg when a) next msg from asciilifeform has divergent selfchain/netchain and/or b) 'prod'
asciilifeform: ( then issues getdata; and at some pt gets a response from somebody; and if doesn't, retries for operator-config'd interval/count )
phf[asciilifeform]: i sort of expect udp to have dropped back when protocol was called ip/tcp, because a machine that still has cathode lamps had one burn out in the process. i suppose the workings of the intertubes are a mystery now more so than ever
asciilifeform: afaik today typically packets dropped when link is saturated (somewhere along the path)
phf[asciilifeform]: aah that makes sense, QoS and an insufficient backlog buffer
asciilifeform recently learned that natural gas lines 'drop packets' similarly, pressure reductors can only reduce 'so much' and always have a vent
asciilifeform must bbl
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