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dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-22 16:45:48 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: perhaps oughta elaborate. in context, 'make sense when objdumped' meaning, a la e.g. 'm', weighing next to nuffin and invoking no external libs
verisimilitude: I've not used it before.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: was mentioned a rather long time ago under former name, 'menuet'. imho 'eiffel's tower from toothpicks' curio, rather than useful item.
dulapbot: (trilema) 2014-06-10 asciilifeform: for unsatisfied masochist - 'menuet'
asciilifeform: ( given as there are no actual ~ideas~ in there, is simply 'what if unixlike in asm' )
asciilifeform: currently claims to support modern gpu and nic however, these may be worth lifting.
asciilifeform: supposing actually worx
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-05 05:51:21 crtdaydreams: 2) Employs the use of a wot in which several peers can sign to say that "x key belongs to y handle" which can be automated. A simple "majority rules" would determine whether or not that peer can lay claim to that nick.
signpost: (because obviously, *who says* what the proper "vote" count for such a thing is)
signpost: I also don't see what the contents of my /src/wot directory have to do with nick-collision-avoidance. v does not depend on whether I call the keys in there fart1.asc, fart2.asc, etc.
signpost: re: pest, if there's a way to... huehue... "mint" a unique nick I will be surprised if that process doesn't look like "proof of work".
signpost: unrelatedly, an entomological specimin from pentacle research.
signpost: 'How about your "deterministic build" tools just learn to ignore that suffix?' << exemplar of the economic and political failure of open source.
signpost: "Isn't lying to yourself that your problem is solved just as good as fixing your problem?"
signpost: bureaucracies form because there's a type of hominid that would rather be empowered to tell the ambitious to "eat shit" than produce anything themselves.
signpost: there is no use for these.
shinohai: signpost: did I miss something about pentacle chroot & networking? (not able to wget, etc.)
shinohai: nm, just like Gentoo, gotta copy `resolv.conf` derp
shinohai: Made my first pentacle pbuild of jonsykkel's smalpest, love this shit.
signpost: yep that's all it should need, will be mentioned in a writeup
signpost: and nice!
shinohai: Now if only I could figure out how to sbcl on here xD
signpost: I've tossed clisp in /src/work but haven't finished, lemme see if it builds.
signpost: but yeah, will need clisp to buttstrap sbcl
signpost: looks like my WIP pbuild of clisp actually snuck into the tarball
shinohai: oh hey yeah I see clisp pbuild now
signpost: but no src in there, since I hadn't cut vpatches yet.
signpost: might've gotten that working over here. had to tweak __DATE__ and __TIME__ in CPPFLAGS, and change ./configure flags for clisp.
signpost: will rebuild the entire system now and see if the CPPFLAGS are acceptable to everything else (added quoting, not sure why the other builds didn't care that the quoting wasn't there...)
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-07#1100488 << recall, asciilifeform at one pt suggested a powism. imho is Wrong Thing in almost any conceivable case, and oughta be used only when no possible alternative -- as demands difficulty ratchet & btc-style consensus grind, massive can of worms
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-07 13:21:39 signpost: re: pest, if there's a way to... huehue... "mint" a unique nick I will be surprised if that process doesn't look like "proof of work".
signpost: seems like something to avoid "solving" until can be done without the scarequotes.
asciilifeform satisfied that powism and nothing-to-the-stranger system are physically contradictory
asciilifeform: (i.e. no possible way to communicate current difficulty)
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-01 18:18:30 asciilifeform: gregory4: peer can't 'set own difficulty' because this would require answering packets which come in w/ insufficient pow
signpost: I don't see much harm if shinohai labels our peering "goatfucker". what someone calls you is conceivably their business.
asciilifeform: signpost: thrd was re l2+ handles
asciilifeform: the only place where the problem exists
signpost: right, but perhaps the authority on that is whomever relays that message.
signpost: "hi asciilifeform, this is my friend shinohaiiii"
shinohai: But muh democracy
asciilifeform: is how it worx nao. l1relayer[l2+handle]
signpost: yep, doesn't bug me as is at all.
signpost: without a direct relationship with the person you can't really know more.
asciilifeform: imho the problem of l2+ handle uniqueness is worth solving, to the extent can be solved.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-27 09:45:03 PeterL: but say I want to peer with both bobs, how is that handled?
asciilifeform: ( 'but not further' )
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-07 13:24:30 signpost: unrelatedly, an entomological specimin from pentacle research.
shinohai: Dr. Seuss already solved that with "Thing 1" and "Thing 2".
asciilifeform: shinohai: well atm no watertight way to assign the '1' and '2' there
asciilifeform: is the problem statement to begin with.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-05 12:53:44 asciilifeform: aim there is to make all l2+ speakers ~distinguishable~
shinohai: $ticker btc usd
busybot: Current BTC price in USD: $35890.49
asciilifeform: cheapcoinz!
signpost eagerly awaits the wailing and gnashing of teeth.
verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-27#1076915 One simple solution is as follows: Two bobs enter, but only one bob exits.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-27 09:45:03 PeterL: but say I want to peer with both bobs, how is that handled?
whaack: http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-05-06#1100406 <-- lol at the side-by-side of the debug printouts as a perfomrmance marker, then following a link from there https://blog.lopp.net/2020-bitcoin-node-performance-tests/ "Note that no Bitcoin implementation strictly fully validates the entire chain history by default. As a performance improvement, most of them don’t validate signatures
whaack: before a certain point in time. This is done under the assumption that it would be very difficult to get a fraudulent block hash through peer review when updating the code."
bitbot: Logged on 2022-05-06 23:09:45 billymg: lol btw was searching twitter the other day for bitdash.io mentions (out of vanity, purely) and saw this: https://twitter.com/raw_avocado/status/1489280497540902919
signpost: see also: "/dev/null is the fastest write-only memory"
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-07#1100537 << this is the problem statement, not solution, lol
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-07 15:17:12 verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-27#1076915 One simple solution is as follows: Two bobs enter, but only one bob exits.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-07 15:22:13 verisimilitude: https://devnull-as-a-service.com
whaack: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 15 nodes...
watchglass: 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.082s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=735366
watchglass: 54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.112s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=735366
watchglass: 205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.022s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=735366 (Operator: whaack)
watchglass: 71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.158s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=735366 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.204s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=735366
watchglass: 205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.339s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=735366 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.315s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=735366
watchglass: 94.176.238.102:8333 : (2ppf.s.time4vps.cloud) Alive: (0.364s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=734613
watchglass: 75.106.222.93:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.606s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=735120
watchglass: 82.79.58.192:8333 : (static-82-79-58-192.rdsnet.ro) Alive: (0.104s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=733960
watchglass: 103.6.212.28:8333 : Alive: (0.962s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=579780 (Operator: whaack)
watchglass: 143.202.160.10:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
watchglass: 205.134.172.26:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
watchglass: 205.134.172.6:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
whaack: ~2 months to get 579,780 blox, no manual intervention
whaack: (using asciilifeform cement)
verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-18#1036647 It has been almost one year, thimbronion; has any progress happened?
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-05-18 18:14:01 thimbronion: verisimilitude: I want to create an honest online encyclopedia (in English) and build a replacement for google search.
thimbronion: verisimilitude: no I was discouraged by the low quality of the OCR text and found no solution. No progress on search either, although I did publish a tarball of my indexer.
verisimilitude: We weren't going to write the articles by ourselves?
thimbronion: verisimilitude: we certainly could write some articles. Would take many man years to cover every entry in Britannica.
thimbronion: incidentally the ocr-error-ridden rip of Britannica is still up and searchable by title at alethepedia.com
asciilifeform: whaack: might be interesting to walk through yer debug.log. ftr asciilifeform's chewed through the given cement in ~40d
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-28 09:58:14 asciilifeform: 17 feb -- 28 mar.
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