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whaack: re pest/blatta marketing, i'm going to put it out there that i'm not the biggest fan of the name, most likely because i interned at a company called cockroachdb
whaack: so it's the 2nd time i'm hearing the 'let's name our product ~cockroach cuz theyre hard to get rid of'
whaack: why not dragonfly? they are also hard to get rid of, and they are beautiful critters
cgra: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-11#1072528 << you're right, i forgot the collection had a handful of these as well. the only, strictly permanent leaking item is "mapAlreadyAskedFor", while "setInventoryKnown" leaks until peer disconnects, "mapAddresses" accumulates for ~two weeks until gc starts to follow, and some others have 2min-24h accumulation times.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-11 18:20:42 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-11#1072474 << hm wai would it matter just how much ram? a leak is a leak neh
cgra: for interested readers: the above defects require the attacker himself to upload ~1:1 of the garbage being parked into victim's memory, while, for example, a carefully arranged 10e6 byte-burst of "getheaders" messages blows up into ~530GB (10e6 / 1021 * 718305 * 81) of peak memory load (also node locks up until done with the burst, and the processing slows down every 4GB). other "burst defects" are less severe, but similar.
cgra: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-11#1072541 << the hole obey_sendbuffersize plugs, still remains a mystery to me why causes slow death. at one point i thought the above "getheaders" processing slowing down every 4GB was it, but i didn't know about the 4GB-ism of it then. obv not the key point, cuz apu1 would be oom way before accumulating 4GB of extra garbage.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-11 18:29:12 asciilifeform: (iirc at least 1 of cgra's findings was a wedge w/out necessarily oom death)
cgra: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-11#1072474 << whaack, my "100GB or so" was way off, though might match better some of the other burst defect variants
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-11 14:08:12 cgra: whaack: yeah possibly. unless nodes have >100GB ram/swap or so
billymg: i think "pest" has potential. i never really thought of "blatta" as anymore than a codename for one implementation, definitely not something that would be pushed in marketing materials, mainly because it sounds like "blah"
billymg: cockroachdb was a horrible name, i think cockroach is too specific
billymg: "pest" is just an annoyance, a nuisance. and it's the kind of word you'd imagine a darth vader type of the evil empire would utter in frustration when his men fail to kill the enemy for the Nth time
whaack: yes i'm okay with pest lol
asciilifeform: whaack, billymg : orig. asciilifeform was thinking of 'pest' in the plague, rather than cockroach sense.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-12#1072559 << is wai asciilifeform still thinks per conn. 'odometer' may be the simplest effective pill against these
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-12 08:53:41 cgra: for interested readers: the above defects require the attacker himself to upload ~1:1 of the garbage being parked into victim's memory, while, for example, a carefully arranged 10e6 byte-burst of "getheaders" messages blows up into ~530GB (10e6 / 1021 * 718305 * 81) of peak memory load (also node locks up until done with the burst, and the processing slows down every 4GB). other "burst defects" are less severe, but similar.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-12-01 12:38:40 asciilifeform: ... the other obvious pill is to keep per-peer memory odometer and permaban hogs, but not obvious how to cleanly implement.
asciilifeform: (i.e. if peer sends >x MB and it didn't consist of ACCEPTed blox -> ban)
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-12#1072564 << asciilifeform is still of the 'if it 100% worx, will 'market' itself' school of thought, ftr
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-12 09:19:15 billymg: i think "pest" has potential. i never really thought of "blatta" as anymore than a codename for one implementation, definitely not something that would be pushed in marketing materials, mainly because it sounds like "blah"
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-12 09:55:13 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-12#1072564 << asciilifeform is still of the 'if it 100% worx, will 'market' itself' school of thought, ftr
asciilifeform: gregory5: exactly like. and just about errything else that was ever worth using.
asciilifeform: btw gregory5 , have you tried standing up a station yet ?
asciilifeform: gregory5: lemme know when yer ready, will pgpgram you a key
gregory5: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-12#1072579 << I was planning to do so before the end of this week.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-12 10:18:04 asciilifeform: btw gregory5 , have you tried standing up a station yet ?
billymg: re: marketing, i simply enjoy imagining the cognitive dissonance that would arise in normies' heads when they see a website that looks like it could've been put out by $SV_Corp but that contains content trips all of their "terrorist!" alarm bells
billymg: a slick package that says "safe space" free of "hate speech" but is actually not
billymg: so in that sense to me it's less about marketing and more about trolling
asciilifeform: billymg: asciilifeform's www from this pov currently 'weak sauce', for these folx prolly only trips 'ugh, maffs soup, tldr' alarm
whaack: awt: i have a hunch you added my key, and for some reason that crashed my blatta process
thimbronion: ok could rename blatta to nosos.
whaack: what does nosos mean?
thimbronion: plague
whaack: i like it haha
gregory5: asciilifeform: on my system, nc(1) is able to detect when a server has stopped listening on a particular UDP port.
gregory5: how is that possible? doesn't that violate the premise of UDP being stateless?
PeterL: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-12#1072554 << was the cockroachdb actuallly hard to kill, or was that just whistful marketing?
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-12 08:38:44 whaack: re pest/blatta marketing, i'm going to put it out there that i'm not the biggest fan of the name, most likely because i interned at a company called cockroachdb
asciilifeform: gregory5: under unixlikes you gotta bind the socket to listen (i.e. tell os which process the incoming packets oughta hand off to, and reserve a port)
asciilifeform: gregory5: errything to do with what happens b/w that and closing it is stateless.
asciilifeform: (in practice -- reality's moar complicated, if yer behind a nat, there's the quite stateful 'ephemeral port' thing. but this is orthogonal.)
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-12#1072595 << fwiw asciilifeform has never before heard of a 'cockroachdb' so perhaps the title was overambitious..
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-12 11:46:13 PeterL: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-12#1072554 << was the cockroachdb actuallly hard to kill, or was that just whistful marketing?
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-12#1072589 << leave some names for fyootoor implementers!111
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-12 10:59:11 thimbronion: ok could rename blatta to nosos.
shinohai: I don't mind the name but my neighbors prolly think it sounds strange when I shout "My blatta is full!"
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-12 10:28:05 billymg: a slick package that says "safe space" free of "hate speech" but is actually not
PeterL: actually, "safespace" not too bad of a name - it's the space you can talk that is free from snoops watching you (or something like that)
cgra: and nicely collides with the opposite meaning
shinohai ponders an implementation called the "Hate Disseminator 9000" .....
PeterL: 900 implementations, all identical but with differrent names just to confuse people
asciilifeform associates *safe names w/ various spamologies, and worse yet, mswin 'safe mode' lol
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-12#1072609 << recalls some ancient sf where parallel universe and weapons seller offers a 'disney death hose 9000'
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-12 13:25:09 shinohai: ponders an implementation called the "Hate Disseminator 9000" .....
asciilifeform: ( aand of course doom's 'bfg-9000'... )
asciilifeform: $ticker btc usd
busybot: Current BTC price in USD: $43713.86
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 14 nodes...
watchglass: 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.082s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=718337
watchglass: 205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.149s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=718337
watchglass: 205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.091s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=718337 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.172s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=718337
watchglass: 205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.152s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=718337
watchglass: 205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=718337 (Operator: whaack)
watchglass: 71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.101s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=718337 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.087s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=718337
watchglass: 54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.294s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=718337
watchglass: 94.176.238.102:8333 : (2ppf.s.time4vps.cloud) Alive: (0.309s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=717813
watchglass: 82.79.58.192:8333 : (static-82-79-58-192.rdsnet.ro) Alive: (0.329s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=717813
watchglass: 103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.631s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=718337
watchglass: 75.106.222.93:8333 : Alive: (0.372s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=718337
watchglass: 143.202.160.10:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
shinohai: wb pete_rizzo_
whaack: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-12#1072595 <-- tbh i couldn't tell ya. iirc the db seemed to work and had a system for creating redundant backups, but the developers had lost track of how the code works. but this may be passing unfair judgement (i.e. they actually knew how the whole system worked) or unfair praise (the db wasn't actually working)
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-12 11:46:13 PeterL: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-12#1072554 << was the cockroachdb actuallly hard to kill, or was that just whistful marketing?
asciilifeform: a, halfbaked lulzware?
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-12-28 15:14:05 dulapbot: Logged on 2021-12-27 13:08:55 asciilifeform: in search of a decent text-driven diagram shitter, if not finds one may use latex
verisimilitude: I know asciilifeform asked me something, but it's been so long I don't know what to search for in the logs, so that I may once again see it and then answer it.
shinohai: Missed opportunity for tug.org to be a pr0n video site. T_T
asciilifeform: meanwhile discussion point on pestnet.
bitbot: (pest) 2022-01-13 asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-01-12#1002644 << we're gonna need some means of identifying keys for purposes like this w/out leaking bits. possibly e.g. crc32(sha512(key)). will amend spec after folx comment.
bitbot: (pest) 2022-01-13 asciilifeform: ( prolly obv imho, but nobody but the 2 peers who are using a key have any biz knowing even leading N bits of it )
asciilifeform: and worth reposting this lul here.
mats: that's a weird way to do redactions
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