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punkman: https://hdplex.com/hdplex-h5-fanless-computer-case.html interesting little case with a bunch of copper pipe
asciilifeform: punkman: i expect it worx ok, so long as yer not trying to dissipate a kW
asciilifeform: ( and, naturally, that yer mobo is a miniature thing an not a eatx monster, and you don't care for raid cards, video, etc )
asciilifeform: afaik there are no passive cooling systems sold for serious workstation. (there seems to have been exactly 1 attempt, historically, and went outta biz)
punkman: yeah definitely can't fit workstation in there
punkman: might be nice for small wattage though
asciilifeform using 'kdpe-d16' mobo in torture room, would pay good money for 100% passive cooling for same but nodice
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-12-21 19:54:39 asciilifeform: will prolly try the infamous kdpe-d16 next. this an' the other one, were the last 2 opteron+ecc mobos before the great fritzchipping.
punkman: I'm trying to get a particular mini-itx with on-board cpu, and seems it's sold out everywhere
asciilifeform: there's over9000 of these, neh
punkman: not really
punkman: there's a lot of micro-pc boxes, but almost all have single sata port and such
punkman: want one with 4 ports, plus pci-e space when I want to add more
punkman: seems like it will only eat 10-20watts when idle, I like that
signpost: speaking of sold out, apuX can't be had until "~2022"
asciilifeform: signpost: even in 'peacetime' had 8-9wk lead times iirc
asciilifeform: signpost: they seem to make'em in fuckgoats-sized batches
signpost: yeah, but had specific dates. I don't think they know when they can get another batch done.
asciilifeform: dunno who these days knows just when they can get batch done
asciilifeform: even smt resistors in shortage.
signpost: indeed
BingoBoingo: vex: I am unsure the brand name
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-26 11:41:50 cgra: asciilifeform: when you get to ig, and if logs indicate, try and check whether node's last breath was about ~57MB getheaders responses or something else
asciilifeform: wb BingoBoingo
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: wat's new in BingoBoingostan ?
asciilifeform: cgra: 11/24/21 15:16:34 getheaders 711147 to 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 limit 2000
asciilifeform: 11/24/21 15:16:34 getheaders 711147 to 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 limit 2000
asciilifeform: 11/24/21 15:16:34 getheaders 711147 to 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 limit 2000
asciilifeform: 11/24/21 15:16:34 getheaders 711147 to 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 limit 2000
asciilifeform: 11/24/21 15:18:01 getheaders 711148 to 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 limit 2000
asciilifeform: 11/24/21 15:18:01 getheaders 711148 to 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 limit 2000
asciilifeform: 11/24/21 15:18:01 getheaders 711148 to 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 limit 2000
asciilifeform: 11/24/21 15:18:01 getheaders 711148 to 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 limit 2000
asciilifeform: ^ grep getheaders ...
asciilifeform: (just prior to death)
asciilifeform revved it back up, nao resyncing
cgra: asciilifeform: these are mine "getheaders 1 to 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 limit 1050585"
cgra: asciilifeform: and apparently mostly worked, lotsa "EXCEPTION: St9bad_alloc" there
cgra: seems like vSend's underlying vector was doubling it's capacity in so large blocks that node could still operate within some bounds. only large allocations failing
cgra: that's why didn't die directly on my arrow, but apparently later, from regular work
cgra: (because the bloated peer state i injected, wasn't cleaned up, but kept for extra 15mins)
asciilifeform: cgra: pretty interesting; looking fwd to reading your piece re subj when you get a chance to write
asciilifeform contemplates for n-th time the notion of a trb split into multiple processes
thimbronion: asciilifeform: Since commas are not valid characters in nicks, I propose separating source handles in hearsay messages with pipe: |
asciilifeform: thimbronion: oughta work afaik
asciilifeform: thimbronion: try it out, will update next rev of spec if worx errywhere
asciilifeform feels rather 'meh' re the warts of irc compat. but the alternative would've been 'need guisms on N os' and 'need all new bots' before can even experiment w/ prototype -- which asciilifeform maintains is unpalatable.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: i suspect various extant irc clients will barf on 'too long' nicks which'll inevitably result from the hearsay format, for instance.
asciilifeform: little to do but patch'em imho.
thimbronion: asciilifeform: aight
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not too much. Voted (as business) for the first time
BingoBoingo: Board of directors for BPS
asciilifeform: $ticker btc usd
busybot: Current BTC price in USD: $57322.8
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 17 nodes...
watchglass: 176.9.59.199:8333 : Could not connect! (Operator: jurov)
watchglass: 185.85.38.54:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 84.16.46.130:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 213.109.238.156:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.022s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=711733 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.101s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=711733 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.112s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=711733
watchglass: 205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.148s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=711733
watchglass: 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.150s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=711733
watchglass: 205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.141s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=711733
watchglass: 205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=711733 (Operator: whaack)
watchglass: 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.225s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=711733
watchglass: 54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.322s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=711733
watchglass: 143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.244s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=711733
watchglass: 103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.548s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=711733
watchglass: 192.151.158.26:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
asciilifeform will remove, on acct. of their apparent deaths, the following noades from wg roster: 213.109.238.156 185.163.46.29 84.16.46.130 185.85.38.54 176.9.59.199 and 192.151.158.26. if operators are tuned in and object, plox to write in.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-10 11:50:22 BingoBoingo: 192.151.158.26:8333 can leave watchglass's poll
asciilifeform: ... and adding to roster certain trb noades visible in billymg's nifty crawler which not yet been added.
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 14 nodes...
watchglass: 205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=711733
watchglass: 205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=711733 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=711733
watchglass: 54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.111s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=711733
watchglass: 71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.125s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=711733 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.082s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=711733
watchglass: 205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.087s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=711733 (Operator: whaack)
watchglass: 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.104s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=711733
watchglass: 54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.262s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=711733
watchglass: 143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.305s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=711733
watchglass: 82.79.58.192:8333 : (static-82-79-58-192.rdsnet.ro) Alive: (0.361s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=711393
watchglass: 103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.657s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=711733
watchglass: 75.106.222.93:8333 : Alive: (0.869s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=711730
watchglass: 94.176.238.102:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length!
asciilifeform: aaand as always if anyone has a noad he would like to see in wg, plox to write in.
asciilifeform: ... ditto if yer noad is currently tagged 'unknown' but you'd like to officially name it.
asciilifeform: 'The issue is caused by domain name system (DNS) “pollution,” Binance Pool and Poolin said on their Chinese Telegram channels. F2pool also said the pool’s domain name is not being properly resolved' << lol dnstards
vex: 14% off
asciilifeform: fuck'em with red hot irons.
asciilifeform: 'mining pools' were possib. single worst calamity ever to befall bitcoinism.
asciilifeform: sooner they croak, the better, and best of all would be for erry last thief of mains current to sizzle in electric chair; but the latter is too much to hoap for imho
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-19 01:22:49 asciilifeform: (unless w/ stolen current ~and~ asics somehow..)
asciilifeform: ( elementarily, mining will be carried out with stolen mains current whenever and wherever possible, and folx who actually gotta ~pay~ for their joules ~cannot compete )
asciilifeform: iirc in cn, the theft was typically 'in broad daylight', what with massive centralized plants built in middle of nowhere; with the connivance of kpcn apparatchiks. some of whom now perhaps cooling their heels in gulag.
vex: friedcat had half the hash, went missing. some of the forkcoin moved years later
asciilifeform: vex: which phork was this?
vex: lemme look
asciilifeform: upstack, and at the risk of repeating self -- if whatever yer doing can be sunk by dns shenanigans, yer a tard, and deserve whatever pain reich (inexpensively!) may inflict on you via that entirely voluntary and avoidable string you attached to yourself.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-27 01:28:12 atuttle: also, pest doesn't bootstrap itself from DNS. that is a huge, huge advantage that is very hard to find in protocols these days.
vex: yeah, archaeology dept. is having mondaay off, mebbe gold?
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-15 13:46:39 asciilifeform: ( the third, 'btg', appears to be dead in practice , was unable to find any means of txing on it )
vex: bcg, wasn't that one?
vex: ah btg. yeah I forget
vex: which was the first fork?
asciilifeform: signpost: somewhat apropos, thought of your lubytron in context of possible pheature: pestron takes a local dir and 'hosts'. peers (and optionally broader pestnet members, e.g. l2/l3) can visit e.g. http://localhost:8000/signpost and see his 'www'.
asciilifeform: vex: bch iirc
vex: In any case, I feel like hitting a block erry 15 minutes might've been more fun in 2009
asciilifeform: vex: elaborate?
vex: Well friedcat was out there in the middle of bumfuck nowhere hitting every other block, when it was more valuable
asciilifeform: vex: the miner scum think in usd, and by that token they're 'moar valuable' nao
vex: precisely, in 2009, there was no usd rate
vex: they joy of hitting a block was it's own reward
asciilifeform: vex: in '09 miners were (microshit-besotted) folx using spare cpu cycles
asciilifeform strongly suspects that much of the 'flavour' of early bitcoinism was influenced by this
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-17 18:38:23 asciilifeform: shitoshi's war crime of yielding bitcoin to winblows morons in '09 will be paid for, for potentially very long time.
vex: perhaps you're satoshi; me think alf doeth prostest too mcuhe
asciilifeform: aha, and jack ripper, lol
vex: fits
asciilifeform: 'i was there, i did it'(tm)(r)(gore)
thimbronion: megapatch ^
asciilifeform goes to try
asciilifeform: ugh thimbronion : /usr/bin/python2: can't find '__main__' module in 'blatta'
asciilifeform: sent helloworld, 0 output in billymg's pestlog, i'ma assume he'll need this ver to see any
thimbronion: asciilifeform: I saw it
thimbronion: Yeah his pest won't work with this version.
asciilifeform: makes sense
thimbronion: shinohai: sorry didn't get a host option in for your bot yet.
asciilifeform: troo test will be when 3+ folx in there
thimbronion: yep. hopefully we can figure out why some people can't dm each other. Messages dropped due to bounce count are logged now as well.
vex is reminded of schoolboy days treolling trucxkers on 27megz
vex: had to meet up at school to coord the othernet
vex: sad fuck thinks he's onto a good thing until he realises he needs to make a 20 point turn to escape
vex: 10yo boys can't carry much loot anyway, never had any complaints
vex: net went around. "that's those kids"
vex: nothing to do with pest test at all, besides dulap there for testing
vex: why u on da roof vex? just antenna mum
vex: works best at night
vex: carry on
vex: meanwhile asciilifeform is skipdiving for an ecyclopedia
vex: mp is electrocuting a chicken
vex: signpost is likely running a similar scam, albeit slightly moar legal
vex: BingoBoingo hadn't the worries on his shoulders yet
vex: Juvov prolly walking by some mountain stream, scheming
vex: Never expecting someone to mispell his handle far in the future
vex: I could go on, but I'll only embarrass myself.
vex: meanwhile, in bali, I'll respectfully remind hotel guest not to update adobe on your winblows lappy if the 750 bc on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMqIehWnEcU whaack ben10
vex: meanwhile shinohai at a ruski hotel. test da net
vex: this is novel. I know this
vex: sir you need to check out.
vex: look it up, I've already left
vex: wait, what?
asciilifeform: thimbronion et al : asciilifeform while rereading pest spec found a logical bug : in 4.2.3.3, station is asked to count distinct peers who sent duplicates of a hearsay msg ; but to simply count'em is flawed, as likely ~all~ the station's peers will send'em due to bounceback.
asciilifeform: proposed alt algo is to take the bounce count of the copy with the lowest bounce count and only count such dupes whose bounce count is equal to it.
asciilifeform: ( anuther obv. pill would be to abolish bounceback, i.e. relay of a msg to sender; presently these do no good whatsoever, tho earlier was thinking they make for good liveness confirm )
asciilifeform: vex: i srsly doubt he's tuned in, went to his www not long ago and it was kilometres of shitcoinism as far as eye could see
vex: I doubt it too. I still read him
asciilifeform: ( subj, for the entomologically inclined )
thimbronion: asciilifeform: actually blatta currently doesn't bounce back.
asciilifeform oughta nail down in spec
asciilifeform: somehow omitted this
asciilifeform: thimbronion: the problem described above still exists, because msg can travel in a loop
asciilifeform: (until someone drops it on acct of bounce > cut)
asciilifeform: and while on this subj, 3 is possib. too small of a default cut.
asciilifeform: the 'who gave copies' thing is there to deal with the case where e.g. thimbronion peers asciilifeform and bitbot , signpost peers asciilifeform and bitbot , asciilifeform not peered bitbot but gets a hearsay from same via thimbronion and signpost
asciilifeform: imho useful to distinguish such case visually from plain hearsay
asciilifeform: ( incidentally on asciilifeform's 1stpass reading of thimbronion's 9987 patch, currently the indicator only triggers if in-wot hearsay ? )
asciilifeform: per spec oughta trigger on all hearsays if multiple peers relayed
thimbronion: asciilifeform: yes simiple hearsay is not embargoed currently
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-28#1068105 << thinking about it moar, would make just as much sense to count only such copies where bounce==1.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-28 22:55:20 asciilifeform: proposed alt algo is to take the bounce count of the copy with the lowest bounce count and only count such dupes whose bounce count is equal to it.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: a ok
thimbronion: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-28#1068117 << as it stands blatta will just pass on the first message received as hearsay and drop any additional copies as dupes since there's no hope of receiving an immediate copy.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-28 23:03:12 asciilifeform: the 'who gave copies' thing is there to deal with the case where e.g. thimbronion peers asciilifeform and bitbot , signpost peers asciilifeform and bitbot , asciilifeform not peered bitbot but gets a hearsay from same via thimbronion and signpost
asciilifeform: ( per spec tho oughta indicate via which peer(s) came the hearsay; 1 of the uses of the embargo buffer is to give an extended 'now' moment (given as in reality msgs cannot actually arrive simultaneously, on x86 not even if via multiple nics, given there's 1 bus..) to make this possible.
thimbronion: asciilifeform: currently indicates which peer (the first). I can change it to embargo simple hearsay messages as well.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: with your current logic, a msg which is coming via multiple peers will display one effectively at random.
asciilifeform: so yea, per spec oughta embargo all hearsays
asciilifeform: thimbronion: does asciilifeform's reasoning make sense to you ?
asciilifeform: (imho oughta display the avail. info, given as it exists, rather than a random)
asciilifeform recommends to readers to lay out the paths on paper/chalkboard to properly apprehend this and other 'complicated' cases
vex: just don't have your shit entirely on whiskey soaked notepads
asciilifeform: vex: whiskey notepads actually a-ok for this, is for fitting in own head
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