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asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-25#1067603 << currently it's rate-limited by your isp, and nic (and whatever os-level throttles downstream). multiply that by 1h and get the min. buffer size.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-25 17:46:12 jonsykkel: how to determine size of dedup bufer unless theres a rate limit on communication?
jonsykkel: but that will be 30gb
asciilifeform: jonsykkel: only if yer actually anticipating 30gb/hr of valid msgs. see also.
jonsykkel: ah, missed this part
asciilifeform puts note for himself to update 1.2.7.4 with mention of buf. mem in addition to cycles.
jonsykkel: so you just drop packets if peer starts spamming, then drop peer when notice
asciilifeform: jonsykkel: automatic detection of bw hogs aint part of the spec, tho prolly oughta be part of a pheature-complete adult implementation of pest
jonsykkel: i see
asciilifeform aimed to limit spec largely to items req'd for station-to-station compat.
jonsykkel: makes sense
asciilifeform: i.e. protocol that stations gotta agree on or cannot interop
asciilifeform: $ticker btc usd
busybot: Current BTC price in USD: $54457.14
asciilifeform: cheap!1111
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 17 nodes...
watchglass: 205.134.172.27:8333 : Could not connect! (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 176.9.59.199:8333 : Could not connect! (Operator: jurov)
watchglass: 185.85.38.54:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 84.16.46.130:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 213.109.238.156:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=711399
watchglass: 205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=711399
watchglass: 71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.090s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=711399 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.115s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=711397
watchglass: 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.089s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=711399
watchglass: 205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=711399 (Operator: whaack)
watchglass: 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.175s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=711399
watchglass: 143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.184s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=711399
watchglass: 54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.257s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=711399
watchglass: 103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.671s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=711399
asciilifeform: oh hm did .27 finally oom? (cgra were you testing a new poison arrow?)
asciilifeform will look at it laters
jonsykkel: speaking of interop, thimbronion i can communicate with blatta, but only if i send whole irc command like this 16:32 < jonsykkel> :jonsykkel PRIVMSG #pest :hi
jonsykkel: otherwise it crashes
watchglass: 192.151.158.26:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
jonsykkel: also, does "little endian no exceptions" extend to sha256 also?
asciilifeform: jonsykkel: why wouldn't it ?
jonsykkel: dont know
jonsykkel: "off the shelf" sha256s will not give correct result then, maybe there should be warning
asciilifeform: jonsykkel: erry sha256 i've seen to date uses little-endian order
asciilifeform: (internally, that is. the hash itself is not endianism-sensitive)
jonsykkel: ye i meant when serialize it
jonsykkel: hash correct but wrong packet
asciilifeform: jonsykkel: afaik the existing impls. ( in particular, thimbronion's ) do The Right Thing there.
jonsykkel: pretty sure mine does the wrong thing and it speaks to thimbronions impl
asciilifeform: jonsykkel: i rec to write a detailed illustration of where.
asciilifeform will read; sadly not has time to dig in properly atm
jonsykkel: of where?
asciilifeform: where wrong thing
jonsykkel: ok, sure
asciilifeform: jonsykkel: ty
thimbronion: jonsykkel: blatta expects the full raw irc command in the message body
jonsykkel: seems so yes, question is why
jonsykkel: temporary thing?
thimbronion: jonsykkel: what do you expect to be in the body?
jonsykkel: just the text part of the message is what i would expect
thimbronion: jonsykkel: how would your irc client interpret that?
jonsykkel: thimbronion: your pestron would prefix the stuff before it sends it to irc client
jonsykkel: unless ive severely misunderstood the spec
thimbronion: jonsykkel: can you point me to the place in the spec you're referring to?
jonsykkel: thimbronion: 4.1.2. broadcast message - 324 byte text field in message thing
thimbronion: jonsykkel: hm not seeing what you mean
cgra: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-26#1067642 << did throw coupla, yesterday or day before. kept sctratching head why didn't kill it... i doubt my poison was this slow
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-26 10:31:36 asciilifeform: oh hm did .27 finally oom? (cgra were you testing a new poison arrow?)
jonsykkel: thimbronion:
jonsykkel: irc client A sends to pestron B ":jonsykkel PRIVMSG #pest :hi"
jonsykkel: pestron B sends "hi" to his peer pestron C
jonsykkel: pestron C sends ":jonsykkel PRIVMSG #pest :hi" to irc client D
jonsykkel: this is how i imagine its meant to work, irc stuff only being a way to communicate with your own pestron locally
cgra: asciilifeform: the specific mixture here was receive buffer filled with fabricated getheaders messages
asciilifeform: cgra: neato, plox to post recipe. i'ma restart the noad later today (hands quite full just nao)
cgra: asciilifeform: recipe upcoming in the oom summary
asciilifeform: cgra: ty!
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-26 11:37:39 jonsykkel: this is how i imagine its meant to work, irc stuff only being a way to communicate with your own pestron locally
cgra: asciilifeform: when you get to ig, and if logs indicate, try and check whether node's last breath was about ~57MB getheaders responses or something else
asciilifeform: cgra: will do
punkman: pest station shouldn't be sending "PRIVMSG" to other station, that's between operator's IRC client and station's IRC hole
thimbronion: well shit. looks like I've got some changes to make.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-26 11:37:39 jonsykkel: this is how i imagine its meant to work, irc stuff only being a way to communicate with your own pestron locally
asciilifeform: strings like 'PRIVMSG' only travel b/w irc client and its pestron.
asciilifeform: they should not appear in msg payloads or anywhere in the red packet.
jonsykkel: asciilifeform: dunno if this illustrates but what i meant is that i dont think people by default think about sha256 result as 256bit number with a endianess, seems to be treated like a string of bytes by ppl and code in my experience anyway
jonsykkel: jon@pc:~$ echo -n "<pest message N>" | sha256
jonsykkel: 10868f6678aaafec47ad5c08208e8d6d37877214f502038a9b3a9451c74202ea
jonsykkel: am i to understand 0xEA byte goes first (lowest address) in selfchain field of message N+1?
jonsykkel: and same with hmac
punkman: jonsykkel: good question. As I understand it, when speaking of endianness you also gotta think of multi-byte words
punkman: so if I was to send you a string of bytes, doesn't make much sense to reorder anything. if I'm sending you 64bit words, then we gotta agree on endianness
punkman: example from go std lib, it only reorders int16/int32/int64 types, string of uint8 just passes through
punkman: looking at my packet structure, I only have timestamps as uint64, everything else is either uint8 or array of uint8
punkman: so I guess we must specify if hashes are 32 bytes or 4 64bit words
asciilifeform: punkman: lol, 1 of these ? had nfi there were such chumpatrons still inbiz
dulapbot: (trilema) 2014-10-28 asciilifeform: unrelated: https://archive.org/details/HowToStartYourOwnCountry << a little riot of a book. no-bullshit guide to (failed) attempts at ab initio sovereignty. (i met the author in person, incidentally. fun fella.)
asciilifeform: ( for thrd-completeness, oblig mp wank re above )
dulapbot: (trilema) 2014-10-28 mircea_popescu: re the "how to start your own country" thing, the opening model is so fucking braindamaged it curls my hairs.
punkman: I doubt Ghislaine is on same level as the "sovereign" scammers
punkman: https://twitter.com/Trial_Tracker will be of interest to fans
jonsykkel: punkman: yeah this is what i mean, is it 32 bytes, 4 64bit words, or 1 256bit word (in which case the whole thing gets reversed byte for byte). i assume its the 1st or 3rd
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-26#1067712 << possibly even same level, considering how much good that shangri-la passport did
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-26 17:28:57 punkman: I doubt Ghislaine is on same level as the "sovereign" scammers
asciilifeform has yet to hear of anybody actually slipping outta usg captivity via purchased magick passport
vex: now there's an interesting dual weild passport you can buy for two bits
vex: $ticker btc usd
busybot: Current BTC price in USD: $54282.87
vex: hold my beer
vex: coinwoosh.py -up -fullsend
vex: karpeles just woke up
vex: obvious bullshit is bullshit. erryone knows it's .pl
vex: In other fictoin, imagine a localbitcoins whore in sydney back in the day, you might meet wright, zoung & ulbright all in the one day
asciilifeform perfectly content to never having slightest chance of meeting any of the listed lulcows
vex: ross might like a visitor
asciilifeform fwiw never attended a 'bitcoinism' in meatspace (unless one were to count mp's) and not plans to
vex: I remember when I started overhearing bitcoin convos in resturants
vex: I've never heard the dc/ws version tho
vex: perhaps it was ws/ws,; not sure how far asciilifeform travels
vex confesses to everhearing mcquarie street bullshit.
asciilifeform: believe or not, never once overheard even a redditus-style bitcoinism conv in public
asciilifeform prolly because doesn't go to where.
asciilifeform just as 'interested' in whateverthefuq the vermin gotta say re the subj as was decade ago.
asciilifeform not read and has no plans to 'bitcoin magazine', twatter, or whatever other usg lulagitprop
vex: coingeek keeps repeating that craig is satoshi
vex: they've got some new dork everyday, like the cued em all up
asciilifeform: vex: this is what, 7th yr of this idjicy? from what pov is it interesting ??
vex: I suspect that i've troughed your interest
vex: just a little mpism there, calling folks dorks for idocy
asciilifeform: that crapola is ddos for the brain, vex . you aint better off in any way from having sat & read re 9000th pseudoshitoshi or whatever shitcoinisms
asciilifeform: quite opposite.
asciilifeform: it's approx as novel, newsworthy, and intellectually stimulating as a parade of thalidomide children
vex: trough is opposite to peak you know?
vex: this is why we don't do to sea with a bellyfull of vodka without a ship
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