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asciilifeform: $ticker btc usd
busybot: Current BTC price in USD: $61058.77
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 17 nodes...
watchglass: 84.16.46.130:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 185.85.38.54:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.033s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=707268 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=707268
watchglass: 205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=707268
watchglass: 205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=707219 (Operator: whaack)
watchglass: 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.235s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=707268
watchglass: 143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.305s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=707267
watchglass: 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.149s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=707268
watchglass: 213.109.238.156:8333 : Alive: (0.903s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=707268
watchglass: 205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.509s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=707268 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 54.39.156.171:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length!
watchglass: 176.9.59.199:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length! (Operator: jurov)
watchglass: 54.38.94.63:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length!
watchglass: 103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.230s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=707268
watchglass: 192.151.158.26:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-10-28#1062219 << d00d similarly 'alluded to' e.g. derailing the clitler potus campaign. y'know, rather like how 'isis claimed' erry gas explosion in erry arab shithole for yrs
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-10-28 20:18:19 vex: on shitcoins: mp alluded to having orchestrated the first dao audit. was he using poetic license here?
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-10-28#1062218 << asciilifeform aint a subscriber to the mp school of blogging, y'know the one where you post photo of erry meal you eat and the shit you took
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-10-28 19:28:09 vex: can't wait to see alf's bricklaying... I expect the cnc brickbot is already half built
asciilifeform: imho it makes for very tedious read.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Shuffling stuff around, likely to be back
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: a++
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile looking at a Rockchip board laying around lead to seeing http://en.t-firefly.com/news/info/index/id/522.html
BingoBoingo: Apparently the folks who made the boards now make their own rackmount clusters... Or at least advertise making them
asciilifeform has massive stockpile of the classic rk, expects will last rather long time
BingoBoingo: "phone/recover key"
asciilifeform: lolwat what key
BingoBoingo: Right?
BingoBoingo: Is Chicom board maker leaking that audio jack really is made to leak shit
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: could be similar to 'pinebook's audio-cum-rs232console thing
BingoBoingo: Well both run RK chips
asciilifeform: recall how rs232 on classic rk3328 was a bitch to connect
asciilifeform notices conspicuous lack of advertised price in the linked item
asciilifeform: i.e. 'enterprisey' scamola.
asciilifeform: 'attacker borrowed $1.5b of Yearn’s yUSD vault shares against $2b worth of collateral' << lulzy imaginary sums (typical of genre)
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-10 11:00:15 asciilifeform: i.e. the creator of whatever supposed-bug enables the 'ohnoez $xxx mil is gone' (and notice how always reported as an imaginary usd loss, RIAA-style!)
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-10 11:45:21 asciilifeform: whaack: recall, where they calculated 'losses' by multiplying '# of warez downloads' by what the disk cost
asciilifeform: i.e. supposed 'worth' of $shitcoin (created by washtrading) multiplied by # supposedly pinched.
asciilifeform: 'They can now default and take home a sweet $1b profit.' << lol as if.
mats: flash loans are interesting
mats: borrow as much money as you want so long as you pay it back in the same contract
mats: and oracles everywheres
asciilifeform: oracles?
mats: an ethereum api thing that lets contracts get price feeds
asciilifeform: mats: from where?
mats: 'oracle providers' i think, so outfits similar to coinmarketcap probably
asciilifeform: i.e. via www ?
asciilifeform wonders what happens if $gox supplies ('accidentally') arbitrarily diddled #s
mats: it killed the mpex options market
mats: i dunno how it works really
asciilifeform lulz at 'autonomous, smart' crapola with unattended automatic promisetronium intakes from www
mats: meanwhile, ethereum goes to all time highs
mats: i'm starting to come around to the idea that btc and eth could share oxygen for a very long time
mats: bimetallism endured for almost a century in usa
mats: depending on the battle among the 'smart contract' stupids ethereum, cardano, solana, etc, considering hedging 1% on the strongest contender in a future bear market
mats: heresy, i know
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-10-28 13:49:55 asciilifeform: shitcoins remain the most reliable scheme for turning over9000 morons' pocket change into some btc, afaik.
mats: and we are probably many years from a 'crime of 1873' decisively forcing a winner
asciilifeform: mats: what would count to you as 'winner' ?
asciilifeform: i.e. already there's exactly 1 coin with deterministic supply, and w/out a central reich controller forcing 'upgrades' periodically
mats: second largest market staying significantly below 10% of btc (or eth, or ...) indefinitely
mats: ethbtc is at 0.07 atm
asciilifeform: mats: considering the ease of drumming up a positive notional exch rate for a shitcoin, prolly will continue in this style 4evah
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-10-29 13:52:39 asciilifeform: i.e. supposed 'worth' of $shitcoin (created by washtrading) multiplied by # supposedly pinched.
mats: too early to call it, now that pimco, pension fund(s), institutions are inching into cryptoassets
asciilifeform: well into papercrypto.
asciilifeform: i suppose at some point some hamhanded idjicy by reich (e.g. 'haircutting' deposits held in goxes en masse) could cure (some subset of) goxmorons, in principle.
mats: some financial plumbers, like NYDIG, enable folks to do their own custody
asciilifeform: mats: how do you do the 'leverage' margin crapola if you actually hold the keys ?
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-05-05 19:59:44 asciilifeform: as a rule, they're entirely happy to buy promisecoin, so can 'leverage' and 'play'.
asciilifeform: afaik in all of these 'own custody' setups, there's a multisigism where in fact 'your' coin can still be moved by someone != you
mats: i don't expect shops like pimco or a firefighter's pension fund will do anything riskier than buying cryptoassets
mats: family offices, hedges more likely to leverage
asciilifeform: what exactly is there that's riskier than buying (gox-stored!) shitcoin, tho ?
asciilifeform: shitcoin-perp can decide to 'cash out' (incl. via supposed 'hack') at any time.
mats: i just said that self custody is possible
mats: multisig is a legitimate concern, but so is bus factor
asciilifeform: if 'bus factor' != 1, the coin aint yours.
asciilifeform: seems elementary imho.
mats: companies are made out of multiple stakeholders, they can come to their own arrangements over coffee
mats: maybe (shock!) all the multisig participants trust each other
asciilifeform: aha, each other, + the softs, + the iron, the sysadmins, the janitors...
asciilifeform: will be interesting to witness the 1st (publicly admitted) 'we have no idea where the coinz went' carlforcing
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-10-29 14:08:42 asciilifeform: wonders what happens if $gox supplies ('accidentally') arbitrarily diddled #s
punkman: I don't see how they will ever solve the oracle problem
asciilifeform: punkman: they dun need to 'solve' it, folx apparently even knowing this are unable to resist sticking cock in the bear trap.
asciilifeform: punkman: asciilifeform wrote about this in '12, and errything still 100% holds.
asciilifeform: the very notion of a solution to this 'problem' is laughable.
punkman: could say it's the fundamental problem of smartcontract-ism. no way to get data about real world without a trusted party
asciilifeform: not even to mention the 'trusted' (lol) party of the central controller in a centrally-managed ('upgradeable', uncapped-supply) shitcoin.
asciilifeform: 'ohai btw we're switching from proof-of-work to piece-of-shit next tues. kthx bye'
asciilifeform: 'dao got pwned but that's ok, we'll unhappen it with hardcoded tx blacklist' etc
asciilifeform: shitcoinism is inevitable , like fungus in a grain silo (and i suspect that if it were possible to invest in the fungus -- some folx would do so) but is exactly in the role of fungus.
asciilifeform: 'grain is up 200% , and fungus also up 200%!' like eth etc
asciilifeform: 'second largest entity!111'
thimbronion: grr. KEY conflicts with some shitty weechat command.
verisimilitude: It's a good thing I continually push back writing my review of the Pinebook Pro.
verisimilitude: Now in addition to the occasional failure of X11 or Wayland or whatever, I can write about how it logged me out and corrupted some of the filesystem.
verisimilitude: I'm still going to recommend purchasing it, however, because it's not as if more money would buy me a decent system.
asciilifeform: wb verisimilitude
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: any idea whether iron or the incl. shitlinux was at fault?
verisimilitude: The hardware seems fine; I'd be willing to wager a pinky toe the incompetent software idiots are to blame.
asciilifeform couldn't even bring himself to use the latter, his 'pinebook' gathers dust for the lack of a civilized xorg for the thing that could sit on civilized linux
verisimilitude: My mistake was beginning to use it for real work, to this result.
verisimilitude: I can't tell how to have it boot with a fsck, and of course I can't fsck a mounted filesystem. I need to park the car before its engine be inspected, naturally; I just need to ignore the systems that defied nature by not having this constraint.
asciilifeform: could debate whether 100% 'decent' system can be bought, but data loss is mostly avoidable, asciilifeform not experienced since '10 or so after installing raid5 and doubleconverting ups etc
verisimilitude: Anything I give a damn about is backed up several times.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i was gonna ask 'what didja boot to install with' then remembered that verisimilitude used the included thing
verisimilitude: Stupid pictures from the Internet don't count.
verisimilitude: I've been too lazy to replace it, because I don't want to do the work.
asciilifeform didn't replace on account of not having with what
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-10-29#1062332 << increasingly loox like clients will have to be at least lightly patched to work w/ pest.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-10-29 19:19:47 thimbronion: grr. KEY conflicts with some shitty weechat command.
asciilifeform was hoping this were avoidable, but not if this degree of braindamage
verisimilitude: Just ditch IRC, instead. Make it a telnet interface or something.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: asciilifeform for instance likes his irc client and doesn't care to part with it.
asciilifeform: if someone implements a telnetistic thing that actually does colourization, tab-completion, etc. then maybe.
asciilifeform: (not to mention edit-before-send)
verisimilitude: I've also solved this to my satisfaction; the cleanest solution is a secondary log containing the information; I see no other good solution yet.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-10-04 17:45:02 verisimilitude: I want to design a Pest implementation which stores all messages in a log; how am I to store the hearsay information; it seems this information is only revealed in the hypothetical IRC gateway; there shouldn't be information generated which can't later be regenerated.
asciilifeform: imho smart solution is a log that keeps 100% of what you want, + a means of parsing it to show desired subsets
verisimilitude: I'll just have to have a variable-length structure log, containing message hashes and the fixed-length usernames associated thereto.
verisimilitude: Of course.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: yer keeping msg hashes anyway, for deduping (and getdata)
asciilifeform: so keep as many as you have disk to spare for.
verisimilitude: Well, the purpose of it in the secondary log was in case of corruption; the alternation is association by position.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-10-29#1062343 << not that one oughn't to back up (incl. the 'ultimate backup' -- giving to other folx to mirror) but backups have the problem that they are ~always~ stale.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-10-29 20:17:55 verisimilitude: Anything I give a damn about is backed up several times.
asciilifeform: (not to mention that all known os are quite unfriendly to being backed up wholesale while 'hot')
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-10-29 20:16:55 verisimilitude: I can't tell how to have it boot with a fsck, and of course I can't fsck a mounted filesystem. I need to park the car before its engine be inspected, naturally; I just need to ignore the systems that defied nature by not having this constraint.
verisimilitude: I keep thinking about the examples I've given. These jackasses wouldn't like their water systems behaving like software.
verisimilitude: ``Oh, you got cholera? An advanced user knows how to avoid that.''
verisimilitude: I've been glancing at the forum, and it may actually have been a hardware issue; apparently, the NVMe drive can get insufficient power sometimes.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: water supply in parts of usa is actually like that.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: link?
verisimilitude: I don't have a good link, but the forum is here: https://forum.pine64.org
verisimilitude: Also, I don't recall if I actually be using the NVMe or not.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: pretty sure you have to buy it separately (and the adapter board, i bought, is in the box w/ the machine)
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: so if you hadn't, then it is using the onboard flash
verisimilitude: It's probably software fuckery anyway.
verisimilitude: The software doesn't deserve the doubt.
asciilifeform: mine came with an abominable systemd-infested shitlinux ('manjaro' or what was it)
asciilifeform: the kind where you hit key and then maybe 2-3s later see char in terminal etc
asciilifeform: (and that's under ~no cpu load to speak of)
verisimilitude: Yes. I'm invited to ``Enjoy the simplicity''.
asciilifeform hasn't much used lappies in rather long time, so doesn't suffer much from the unavailability of usable one
verisimilitude: Perhaps I should just build a desktop, or use the defunct one underneath my desk.
asciilifeform: i've a x60 for going to the dc etc with, and it suffices
asciilifeform: (running dulap-gentoo)
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: atm my desk has 4 desktops bolted to it (segregated by what lives there, and piped to kvm)
verisimilitude: Even then, hardware failure is no excuse.
verisimilitude: ``One common problem with Unix is perfection: while offering none of its own, the operating system demands perfection from the hardware upon which it runs.''
asciilifeform: when the irons fail, i pull spare off the shelf and keep going
verisimilitude: If I were ignorant, I'd truly welcome the megacorp-style managed solutions that spare me this shit.
asciilifeform: if there were any that actually did, lol
verisimilitude: If I were ignorant.
verisimilitude: I occasionally dream, asciilifeform, of running of to a magical world, and never seeing a keyboard or computer ever again.
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-07-19 13:39:04 asciilifeform: the fella who remarked to a young asciilifeform 'after N lines of coad, you will smash yer comp and build unabomber cabin' was a cpp programmer.
verisimilitude: Well, in these dreams, I'm away from human society altogether, but sure.
verisimilitude: I don't expect to actually live it.
asciilifeform: it's over9000x easier to pull off if you dun need money. so iirc verisimilitude is pretty close.
verisimilitude: I'm not rich, but I don't really need money, no.
asciilifeform: just about all programmers who come to afford it, eventually run off 'to log cabin', is well-known phenomenon.
verisimilitude: Well, I should point out how, in this dream, I've another reason for living; currently, my work is the only reason I've to stay alive.
asciilifeform: iirc clive sinclair , who died recently, it turned out did not even own a computer.
verisimilitude: I can't run away, without a better replacement.
asciilifeform: 'better replacement' is intensely personal matter. emperor diocletian for instance was happy to grow cabbage.
verisimilitude: Care to learn something I was reserving for my review of this year, asciilifeform?
verisimilitude: I've been learning Latin, and realized at a point that it has brought me more genuine and seemingly-lasting joy than a computer ever has been able to give unto me.
asciilifeform unsurprised
verisimilitude: Most of my joy dies quickly, but this hasn't yet, and may not.
asciilifeform: maybe verisimilitude found the correct cabbage for himself.
verisimilitude: I don't see myself not using a computer anytime soon.
asciilifeform: aint necessarily an all-or-nuffin affair.
verisimilitude: I'm not certain I agree.
asciilifeform: e.g. d.e.knuth occasionally uses computer, but not erryday or erry week
verisimilitude: I wonder how long I can ignore the filesystem corruption.
verisimilitude: I got the answer.
verisimilitude: It's amazing how I can't even figure out how to tell GNU/Linux to check the filesystem at boot, because there are now several ways I could do it incorrectly, apparently.
verisimilitude: Whatever; the four or so files I noticed are gone now anyway.
signpost must be a sicko, still enjoys computers
signpost: verisimilitude: did that piece of shit ever get the trackpad working correctly?
signpost: last I booted, cursor lagged laughably, then jumped, etc
signpost doesn't expect to ever touch a respectable computer, but doesn't expect to live to see warp drive either.
signpost: that said, I can certainly see myself taking up a hobby growing the devil's cabbage in time
verisimilitude: The keyboard and trackpad are awful, but I use an external keyboard.
verisimilitude: I'd like to enjoy computers, and could if I had a good system.
verisimilitude: I still enjoy using the MMC, although I don't do so often.
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