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adlai: looks like the combination of deseret.com via archive.is turns into bootcamp for unpaid OCR!
adlai: tl;dr: "challenge was issued by assistant police chief... to editor of the daily [shitrag], who had run a story linking [challenger] to a smuggling case"
adlai: when even the courts aren't kangaroo enough, and you gotta just kill a fucker with your own gun.
adlai: it is quite noteworthy that a member of the enforcement arm is alleged as being the challenger in a petition to duel.
adlai: my entirely armchair understanding of legal systems in the past ~5 millenia is that they exist in part to circumvent the need for such events, although i guess the challenger, being familiar with the local legal system, is one of those best situated to cast doubt upon it!
adlai: _joerodgers: you have almost 512 posts archived already, i sure hope you'll spend at least a bit of time culling for disinterest while you scan for interest in the endless stream of new posts
adlai: keeping a scrapbook is cool, and i understand the desire to do so, although i do wonder as to its utility for anyone other than the mother of the kids who are photographed in the scrapbook, and maybe their aunts and grandmothers
adlai: blog posts about satoshi's baby are not too different.
adlai: if you're trying to reach a skeptical audience, or educate a curious audience, why should post number 512 of the flat list, sorted by date, be any more effective than post 510, 511, or 513?
_joerodgers: I appreciate your comments. I feel like this will be useful to bitcoiners now and in the future. If I am wrong, then I wasted no ones time but my own, and read some great articles along the way.
adlai: tags and categories are useful to historians.
_joerodgers: adlai that is why I am using them
_joerodgers: I think Bitcoin will be here for the next century
adlai: my point is that what you're doing is could be much more useful to 'bitcoiners' (or whatever they'll call themselves) of the 22nd, or 23rd, century, than those of the 21st.
_joerodgers: did you get to the pdf folder
adlai: no, I was just counting markdown articles under _posts
Vexual: well and wanted
adlai: looks like all my earlier numbers are bunk
_joerodgers: you mean the size of the repo or what?
adlai: "blockchain: not even once" - Teddy Ts'o, who inherited Dr Torvalds's abomination
adlai: inherited, adopted, whatever they call it
adlai: I mean the fact that my clone from github was not complete, so you can disregard all statistics computed on an incomplete dataset.
adlai: how does this happen, and go unnoticed for so many hours? because git invented pruning before whoever invented pruning
adlai: _joerodgers: in defense of journalistic integrity, I am not a journalist, and thus have no integrity; and that is not an actual quote, although "the story is true"
Vexual: many ment aren't journalistic
adlai: did your mommy teach you that, Vexual ?
Vexual: what noe?
adlai: it's a less impolite version of "that's what she said"
Vexual: my mother prefered thst i kept a journal\
adlai: aha!
adlai: my mother also gave me a copy of the book of empty pages, and told me that i have to write a book.
Vexual: nosy bitch
adlai: _joerodgers: reports of my arithmetic's inaccuracy have been greatly exaggerated
Vexual: shall i troll?
adlai: have fun
adlai exit ante proscenium, pursued by a troll
Vexual: i'd never be pursuant. ckeck yourself
Vexual: kawasaki valves
Vexual: heavy springs
Vexual: folks whove nver been to goa for 900
Vexual: imagine tying to rob vex house
Vexual: fist2face.exe
Guest43871: APPARENLTY MY WHHOLE KITCHEN IS ON FIRE
jurov: ave1: if you'd be so kind to join #therealbitcoin and pls discuss GNAT
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-05-24#1012948 << reminiscent of late '90s www's made w/ microshit 'homepage' or whatever it was that shat out 100kB+ of dross per line of input text
snsabot: Logged on 2020-05-24 22:32:17 adlai: please consider removing some of the excess gloss; it seems surprising to me that there are ~5GB of, uh, 'words'
asciilifeform naively thought that fella simply gathered coupla MB of logs and wanted to mirror'em, and couldn't find where to park. turns out, ugh, this
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-05-24#1013006 << it's a (very baroque) version control proggy. and, try as i might, can't see wat it has to do with bitcoin
snsabot: Logged on 2020-05-24 23:04:16 adlai: git, unlike bitcoin, makes it possible to rebuild the history so that you actually do delete things; in bitcoin, this would defeat the whole point of bitcoin, whereas with git, this lets you structure repositories more efficiently
asciilifeform: imho using it for publication of static texts is massively wasteful. and , in this particular instance, is part of microshit's 'embrace & extend' psyops.
asciilifeform: Vexual : plz dun use my chan as a toilet for youtube crapola (most of which dun even load from the americas, for whatever reason). this is yer last warning.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-05-25#1013080 << depends what means 'bitcoin'. the timestamp counter overflows in 2038, for instance.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-05-25 00:15:12 _joerodgers: I think Bitcoin will be here for the next century
snsabot: Logged on 2020-05-25 06:33:15 jurov: ave1: if you'd be so kind to join #therealbitcoin and pls discuss GNAT
asciilifeform: !q seen-anywhere ave1
snsabot: ave1 last seen in #ossasepia on 2020-04-06 04:23:33: So could you try to build with single worker?
asciilifeform will bbl later today.
trinque: I've already given up on ^ and rewritten his thing by now
trinque: will post it after a bit more debugging
asciilifeform: trinque: neato. i recall that you began rewrite of his builder thing
trinque: coward can come ask me what I'll do.
asciilifeform: i have nfi. typical lurker.
trinque: people have been waiting for me to steal folks coins, w/e other "coiled snake" nonsense for years now.
asciilifeform: some folx covered in snake bites like sailor in tattoos, i suppose, expect 'uncoil' errywhere.
shinohai: If trinque were gonna exit scam, I'm sure would have done so while not inconsequential sums were on deposit.
snsabot: (trilema) 2019-11-21 mircea_popescu: !!withdraw 23 186pzRqFXrYD5XwJ5Fh1K6twLDHSBLa5yh
trinque burps in the affirmative
trinque: the bot's address is there for all to see.
joerodgers: I know qntra is dead, but I'd like to share a little project I built that is not the same but similar in spirit. It is a RSS aggregator that wraps all the posts in Lightning Network paywalls
asciilifeform: joerodgers: i can't resist to ask, what does this have to do with 'qntra' (even 'in spirit' ) ?
joerodgers: QNTRA pulls in bitcoin articles
asciilifeform: qntra 'pulled in' nothing, was 100% in-wot authorship
asciilifeform: (largely BingoBoingo)
joerodgers: I thought it linked to content
joerodgers: with excerpts
BingoBoingo: Link sure, but excerpts rarely
asciilifeform: linked yes. but all articles written by hand, and curated by BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: When quiting it was almost always ripping whole legal filings
joerodgers: got it, Qntra is much higher signal
asciilifeform: joerodgers: i looked at the linked item, imho not 1 of the pages there would ever have been considered for qntra
joerodgers: Understood. It was a MVP for showing RSS wrapped in LN paywalls
asciilifeform: joerodgers: incidentally, the linked item is a quite exemplary showcase of this
snsabot: Logged on 2020-05-24 18:20:52 asciilifeform: was put off ~entire subject~ for ~years~ by reading 'bitcoin articles'...
joerodgers: I see that the linked items go deep in to the sites own posts. Qntra is very cool. I wish I would have known about it sooner
asciilifeform: none of'em even seem to load (they go to some pg that asks for coin)
asciilifeform: ( yet another wtf, qntra did 0 such thing at any point )
shinohai: Can only pay using LN, and not Bitcoin proper.
joerodgers: They are nothing alike in spirit. I should not have said that. I should have said check out this tool that wraps rss feeds in a paywall.
shinohai: (More of the "muh micropayments" thing I suppose)
asciilifeform wants collections of paywalled crapola like he wants a 2nd arse
shinohai: I had nfi anyone was even using Lightning Network. Still trying to solve 30 cent problems instead of $3000 ones I guess.
asciilifeform: shinohai: 99% of the work (if can dare to use word 'work'...) of a shitcoin perpetrator, is to create a synthetic appearance of 'use'
asciilifeform: is how they get it into goxes, pump up exch rate, etc
joerodgers: Are you suggesting LN is a shitcoin?
asciilifeform: joerodgers: it is. albeit with slightly more than the usual amt of 'bitcoin flavouring' added
asciilifeform: joerodgers: if anything, it's the most cynically fraudulent type of shitcoin, in that it purports to be equivalent somehow to actual bitcoin (y'know, the kind where tx follows the 2009 format, and gets mined into actual blocks..)
asciilifeform: while in actuality, it ain't
joerodgers: Ok, thanks for sharing.
asciilifeform: this isn't some kinda mega-revelation. if you read the docs, will become entirely clear what it is
joerodgers: I need to read the LN docs to see where it explains this
shinohai: joerodgers: https://lightning.network/docs/ "whereby transactions are sent over a network of micropayment channels ... whose transfer of value occurs off-blockchain."
joerodgers: Are you opposed to any development off the main chain? No L2/sidechains?
shinohai: Kinda defeats the purpose of a blockchain, neh?
shinohai: lel asciilifeform "Plox to mirror it FOR ME"
asciilifeform: joerodgers: can't speak for other people, but i'm opposed to fraud. and folx who push a paypal-like item as 'equiv. of bitcoin' are committing fraud.
joerodgers: It provides a trustless scaling solution?
joerodgers: fair enough
asciilifeform: joerodgers: somehow i was under the impression that you've eaten years of #t logs. and therefore familiar with the favourite strategy of the enemy over past decade, i.e. pushing baroque crocks of shit under banner of 'scale bitcoin'
joerodgers: Paypal takes custody of your funds and asks for KYC, I don't see how LN is that.
joerodgers: I need to read more logs
asciilifeform: joerodgers: the key diff b/w paypal and bitcoin aint 'kyc'. or any other particular abuse . but simply the fact that yer using a centrally-controlled pseudo-bank, rather than decentralized item.
asciilifeform: the abuses can always be introduced later, when enuff chumps on board.
joerodgers: I haven't been exposed to how LN will bring in this kind of centralization.
asciilifeform: ( early paypal also was not esp. abusive , and was widely used by spammers, black-marketers, etc )
asciilifeform: joerodgers: if you don't yet grasp why 'off-blockchain transactions' being presented as 'equiv. to bitcoin' are an instrument of fraud (and specifically attempted paypalization) -- you don't yet grasp what is the whole point of (actual) bitcoin
joerodgers: got it, I am searching the logs for more reference
asciilifeform: joerodgers: start with fact that the entire notion of 'scaling crisis in bitcoin' is a crock of shit, pushed by folx who specifically set out to 'embrace & extinguish' the original .
asciilifeform: there is not, and never has been , 'scaling crisis' .
asciilifeform: erryone who belongs using bitcoin, is able to use. who cannot use, doesn't belong using.
joerodgers: I am searching the logs for "scaling". I intend on seeing your perspective.
feedbot: http://mvdstandard.net/2020/05/nigerian-internet-raiders-capturing-us-unemployment-and-relief-payments/ << The Montevideo Standard -- Nigerian Internet Raiders Capturing US Unemployment And "Relief" Payments
asciilifeform: joerodgers: the logs are not a magical crib sheet that substitutes for actually understanding what problem orig. 2009 bitcoin in fact set out to solve.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-05-15 21:29:50 asciilifeform: lru: do you understand what problem 'mining' was solution to ?
joerodgers: I do not have the history you guys have. I am trying to understand and learn. I have taken LN as a solution, but I hear what you are saying.
asciilifeform: joerodgers: 'ln' is simply 1 item in ~very~ long history of attempts to subvert & destroy the original bitcoin. (the history of 'bitcoin community' is largely, in turn, a history of such attempts, each time vigorously marketed as 'progress' and 'improvement', and -- more often than not -- 'scaling' . )
asciilifeform: joerodgers: if you become familiar with how and ~why~ the original worked, will immediately become obvious what i meant in above. ( whereas if you try to individually unravel each individual $shitcoin-of-the-day, 100 lifetimes will not be enough )
joerodgers: I really appreciate you taking the time to spell this out. I have honestly never heard this perspective, especially towards LN.
asciilifeform: joerodgers: are you familiar with trb ?
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 11 nodes...
watchglass: 205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.084s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=631719 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.082s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=631719
watchglass: 108.31.170.3:8333 : (pool-108-31-170-3.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.099s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=631719 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.088s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=631719
watchglass: 205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.124s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=631719
watchglass: 192.151.158.26:8333 : Alive: (0.087s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=631719
watchglass: 143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.231s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=631719
watchglass: 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.228s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=631719
watchglass: 213.109.238.156:8333 : Alive: (0.404s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=631719
watchglass: 103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.533s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=631719
watchglass: 188.121.168.69:8333 : (rev-188-121-168-69.radiolan.sk) Alive: (0.420s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=631719
joerodgers: I am familiar with it as of a couple hours ago
joerodgers: by familiar, I mean I have been to the webpage
joerodgers: nothing more
asciilifeform: ^ trb nodes. (by no means all, simply the ones asciilifeform's nodes peer with.) none of'em support, or will ever support, 'ln', 'segwit', etc.
asciilifeform: there's a reason for this.
shinohai: I explained to joerodgers earlier on Telegram that trb contains no p2sh or segwit addys, etc.
asciilifeform: joerodgers: literally same protocol as used in 2009. i.e. none of the 'improvements' .
asciilifeform: joerodgers: on this page, a (mostly) complete history of changes vs. the starting point (bitcoin 0.5.3) .
asciilifeform: should suffice to give you some idea.
joerodgers: that's helpful
joerodgers: I need to learn how to run this
asciilifeform: trb (excluding the dependency tarballs) is approx. 22k ln.
joerodgers: that is lean
joerodgers: ahinohai was kind enough to offer to help setup trb once I get a proper linux machine running
BingoBoingo: joerodgers: The instructions one the site are incredibly on point. I recently rebuilt with the latest anti-wedge patch. A++
asciilifeform: compare this to e.g. 'core' warcrime.
feedbot: http://verisimilitudes.net/2020-05-25 << A Syndication of Verisimilitudes -- Disregard, Decimate Decimal
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: see oblig. naggum re subj..
verisimilitude: I've read the paper, yes.
verisimilitude: It was a good paper, but I disagree with his proposal; it preserves too much of the asinine aspects of time.
verisimilitude: A better solution is to be away with them. Unfortunately for me, I'm currently powerless to enforce this.
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